July 20, 2021 • 43 mins
Richard Doty makes a deal with Bill Moore to trade what the government knows about flying saucers for information about the UFO community. But what is this information that Moore receives and can it be trusted?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D
audio for full exposure listen with headphones. So many questions occurred.
Do they believe in a supreme being? What's their intelligence level?
What's their average lifespan? It's approximately three fifty four hundred
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earth years. It's my understanding that aliens have an IQ
of over two hundred. They have a revision, but it's
a universal revision. They believe in the universe as a
supreme being. The aliens enjoyed music, all types of music,
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especially ancient Tibetan style music. We ask about their diet
and you eat vegetables. They like vegetables, and their favorite
dish or snack is ice cream, especially strawberry. On October four,
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Mike Ferrell, best known as Matches B. J. Huneycutt, hosted
a very strange television show called UFO Cover Up Live.
The show purported to be a revelatory look into what
the US government and the Soviet Union, among others, knew
about UFOs. It took the form of a series of
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apparently rehearsed sit down interviews between Ferrell and various UFO investigators,
including Bill Moore and a couple of supposed government insiders
who were hidden in shadows and spoke with distorted voices.
It was the culmination of a year's long effort by
the government to introduce new narratives into the UFO community.
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I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode eleven,
The Rumor Equation. In the late nineteen seventies and eighties,
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the Air Force Office of Special Investigations employed Richard Doughty
to spread disinformation within the UFO community. The result was
not only to cause confusion at the time, but also
to create new aspects and strains in the developing UFO folklore.
One of the striking features of the misinformation was just
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how outlandish the stories were. In the last episode, we
heard about Paul Benowits being fed information that led him
to believe that hostile aliens were based around and under
Archiletta Mesa and that they posed a threat to humanity.
During this episode, we'll learn about another bold misinformation campaign,
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and it raises the question why was the government trying
to convince people of such outrageous stories. Wouldn't it be
better to spend something a little more restrained. Utah State
Folklore Professor Lynn McNeil. There's actually a really cool, old
old study that was done by some psychologists looking at
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rumor and how rumor works in folk cours know that
rumor and legend are really similar, and they came up
with what they called the rumor equation. And no, this
is not deeply scientific, but it's pretty revealing when we
think about it. What they said was that the reach
of any rumor, the power of a rumor, the spread
of it, is equal to the topics importance multiplied by
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its ambiguity. If we have a topic to us that's
incredibly important, but we have all the info, but we're
going to talk about it. There's gonna be new stories
about it, but we're kind of gonna rest easy. We're
gonna be like, Okay, really important, Thank goodness, we know
every thing. If we have a topic that's incredibly ambiguous
but we don't really care, then we're sort of like, whatever,
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I don't need to know, it doesn't matter to me.
The minute you start that multiplying, exponential growth of something
that is both unbelievably important. So of course we can
use this as a barometer for our culture. Right what
has always been important to us, our military security, the
lives and safety of our children, our personal health, anti violence,
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anti crime, things like that, plus or multiplied by this
question of ambiguity. I don't have the answers. I don't
know the answers. It's possible someone is trying to keep
the answers from me. You put those things together, and
you are just asking for a wildfire spread of rumor
of legend of conspiracy theory. So, in fact, a story
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with outsized implications would be more effective than a more
restrained one that on its face might seem more plausible.
And that's important to keep in mind as we look
at the effort by Richard Doughty and others to feed
information into the world of UFO believers through, in particular,
a man named Bill Moore. You may remember Bill Moore
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from the last couple of episodes. He was one of
the researchers for and authors of the Roswell Incident, which
brought the Roswell crash story back to the public after
years of being ignored. He was also the person that
Doughty used to pass a memo to Paul Benewitz that
contained allusions to Project Aquarius and m J twelve, which
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we will hear more about in this episode, but his
relationship with Doughty predates the Benewit's affair. Here's Rich you're Doughty. Well,
Bill Moore came to my attention and something that was
entirely different than a UFO matter. Bill wasn't providing any
secret or classified information. He had a contact with a
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person inside the Soviet Union who worked for the Russian
Academy of Science, and the government was interested in that
particular scientists for a number of different reasons. So the
idea was to make a contact through Bill to try
to get this uh scientists as a cooperating person for
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the United States government, and it actually worked out well
for the government. During this time, according to Doughty, Moore
was also telling him information about two civilian UFO research organizations,
a PRO and mouf On, and this information was apparently
of some interest to the government. But then in the
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meantime Bill wrote the book about Roswell, where with Blitz.
The book contained about six of what Bill had gathered.
There's a large portion of his research that was never published. Well,
we were interested in what he didn't publish, and Bill
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was open to us, and he provided that information to
us and a lot of that information pertained to secretive
things that Bill had learned during his time researching it.
So here things get a little tricky because the account
we have of how More got involved in the business
of passing what he believed to be secret government information
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back to the UFO community doesn't quite square with what
we just heard from Doughty. Author Greg Bishop is a
friend of Moore's. He wrote the book Project Beta about
Doughty's operations involving Bennewitz and More. Here he talks about
how More came to be recruited into this effort. He
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got involved because he wrote the Roswell Incident. Him and
Charles Burretts actually did most of the research, and Charles
Burletts form a triangle guy, did most of the writing.
And anyway, so More was doing interviews about the book.
He was on a book tour and somebody called him
at one of the radio stations and said, you're the
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only person that seems to know what they're talking about.
We'd like to meet with you. And this this is
the second time it happened. The first time he said,
I can't meet with anybody. I'm going to my next
book stop. And this time he was an Albuquerque. He
said he did have a day so he met this
person turned out to be Falcon, as he's known in
the book. Um. That was a name that More and
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his partner gave to these people. More in his partner,
a man named Jamie Shanderay, gave code names based on
birds to the different people from the government that they
dealt with. This will become a little complicated later when
more than one person will be known as Falcon. But
at this point, the guy named Falcon is not Richard Dody.
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We don't, in fact know for sure who it was.
They just called at the aviary and gave all the
people they had contacts with bird names so that they
could talk about them on the phone to People wouldn't
know who they were talking about if they were listening
in on the phone. Here's Bill Moore on the show
UFO Cover Up Live talking about his recruitment. I got
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a phone call after appearing on a radio show from
a man who said, you're the only person we've heard
talk about this subject who seems to know what he's
talking about. He convinced me that he was a government
intelligence agent and wanted to begin disseminating some information about
UFOs to the public and the man Bill is referring
to his Falcon whom we've seen in shadow to protect
his identity. That's right. I didn't think that I could
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handle it all alone. The volume of material I was
getting from Falcon was rather mind boggling. So I got
together with Jamie. Jamie is fellow UFO researcher Jamie Shandray.
This government intelligence agent offered More an arrangement. Other UFO
researchers were interested in things around military basis. So what
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they told More was, if you could a tab on
what people are talking about and what information is going
through the uf OL community, so we know who knows what,
then we will give you information basically what everybody says.
It's disclosure. They said they'd give him official government documents
on UFOs, so he said, yeah, sure, I'll do it.
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It's not entirely clear who first met with More, but
Richard Doughty became his handler. More was valuable because he
was a respected UFO investigator who had worked with the
two main civilian UFO groups, a Pro and Moufon. Bill
had a both feet right in in with these groups.
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He was trusted and so Bill agreed to provide us
information that the UFO groups were gathering. And I would
say most of the information that was provided to us
with mundane stuff that we weren't really interested in. But
there was some information that was being gathered by the
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new Found groups, a new Found or appro group that
was of interest to the government, and it pertained to sightings.
People who were reported sightings, sightings that were never publicized,
people who would report a sighting or a close encounter
that occurred at a certain place, and we were interested
in those cases because of connections with research, whether it
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was maybe one of our craft's highly classified craft that
was being seen at certain locations, or just keeping track
of what the et s are doing. This is an
interesting comment from Dodi. The first part seems reasonable that
the government was trying to determine whether UFO researchers were
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observing secret military projects, and then at the end he
suggests that they were also trying to keep tabs on
what aliens were up to. At the risk of stating
the obvious, the two reasons for government is given here
range wildly in terms of plausibility, and this is where
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again I'll remind everyone that Richard Doughty is a former
professional counterintelligence agent. He spread misinformation for a living, and
I feel pretty sure he did during our conversations. I
don't think it makes sense to put much stock in
anything he says. But what he says is interesting, even
if it's not literally true. George Mason University Professor Deborah L.
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Tanzi Shutika, even if a story, even if you're conmpletely
convinced that someone is lying to you, when someone tells
you a story, I think that the important thing to
consider is, you know, like, why are they telling this
particular story? What does this communicate about them? Their community, um,
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their belief system, et cetera. Our job is to analyze,
like their ability as a storyteller. You know, are they
a good story toller? Are they engaging? You know, are
they able to hold their audience? Folkloreists are here to
judge the quality, context, and content of a story, more
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and more interested in the event itself as an event
and what it communicates about the people and their community.
When you're part of a community, you're going to have
developed a repertoire of stories that are part of that
communal folklore. Right. It's like almost like when Christians have
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conversion experiences. All those stories kind of have similar elements
that have been refined by the experience of being in
the community. So what's interesting to think about as we
listen to Richard Doughty is this we know that he
was spreading stories to make UFO researchers believe that they
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were on the trail of actual aliens rather than secret
defense projects. Why tell the particular stories that he did.
What does that tell us about the beliefs of the
UFO community and what they were willing to accept into
the developing UFO folklore. With add in mind, here's Richard
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Doughty again. The government knew, at least at the briefing
I was given in Night, that Earth has been visited.
I mean, we had two crafts, we had alien bodies.
We had one alien that was alive telling us different things,
briefing us about his society, his planet. So we knew.
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The government knew that Earth has been had been visited.
Now since seventy eight, I had received knowledge of other
e t races that had been visiting Earth that didn't
come until later. So that wasn't a surprise to the
government in the military and intelligence community, because we knew it.
That information just never got out to the public, I
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mean officially. The reason is that a lot of the
information that was coming through the UFO community pertained to
classified projects that we were working on. Some might have
been reverse engineering of an alien craft, or some might
be our own craft that we developed. Doty says he
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wasn't briefed on the technological origins of these projects. He
also says he witnessed some strange things. I saw some
things fly at Area fifty ones that were probably not
from this Earth, but that wasn't the information that they
wanted to get back from more. But what Bill was
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reporting to us were mostly incidents involving our crafts, highly
classified crafts such as the F one seventeen, the Aurora,
some highly classified drones that we had back then, and
people were seeing these things and reporting of and as UFOs,
which in fact they were post of the Skeptoid podcast
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Brian Dunning. Back in the days of the Cold War,
the U S was developing things like the U two,
the S R seventy one, and then the most significantly,
the F one seventeen, a stealth fighter, and the Air
Force had very legitimate security concerns about not letting the
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Soviets find out about these programs. And yet on the
mountaintops around every Air Force base in the US were
these groups of UFO researchers with their telescopes trained at
the base who believed, for whatever reason, that the UFOs
hiding aliens or or whatever it was, here's these UFO
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researchers watching the Air Force. The Air Force had, I
believe a legitimate concern that these UFO researchers might get
a real photo of an F one seventen, which then might,
by being published wherever, fall into the hands of the
Soviet Union. And what we had to do was we
had to convince through Bill that what they were seeing
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was hey UFOs and not some highly classified government craft.
You might call that disinformation. We call it counterintelligence, and
that's part of it what Bill was doing. They were
giving information about the government's dealings with alien races in
exchange for information about the movements of these UFO groups
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and whether there might be any Soviet agents infiltrating them,
because realistically, it does make sense that Soviet agents would
infiltrate UFO groups if they were doing things like getting
on mountaintops and actually getting footage of F one S
stealth fighters right that that actually makes sense. It was very,
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very very easy. I gotta remember every member or most
members of the UFO community, where if you wanted to
try to convince them of something, you did just had
to plant an idea to with him because they were
already believers. It wasn't very difficult to do that. And
that was a type of information that we wanted the
UFO group to spread within to keep away from the
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fact that that craft was really a highly classified US
government craft and it's it's a form of counterintelligence. I mean,
it wasn't difficult to do. I mean we didn't have
to go through any elaborate means to do it. We
had just had to tell somebody that was a UFO
and they would believe it. In addition to the exchange
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of information and disinformation, a second strange effort was undertaken
that created a narrative of incredible scope, an effort that
would bring more and Shanda Ray deeper into the government's
campaign against the UFO community after the break. Remember in
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the last episode, Bill Moore passed Paul Benowit's a doctored
memo that included references to Project Aquarius and a group
called m J twelve. That was the first known mention
of these two elements of what would become a much
larger narrative. The second part came with the delivery of
a package to Jamie Schanderrey Greg Bishop. He was set
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this package with the Eisenhower briefing document in which everybody
knows about now Brian Dunning. The background on that is
the m J twelve, Majestic twelve the full name. It's
a document, it's about three page is long. What it
purports to be is a letter. It's a memo written
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by the Director of the CIA in nineteen fifty two
and addressed to President Eisenhower, and what it's doing is
advising him of the existence of this group called Majestic twelve,
which is twelve scientists and military officials who were assembled
in ninety seven after the Roswell landing crash from the
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TV special UFO cover Up Live. This is the man
code named Falcon. He is presenting this information about m
J twelve as facts that he knows. As an intelligence operative.
M J twelve was a group of people with the government.
MJ TWOB was created by President Truman, then their job
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was to investigate the track of information pretending to UFOs.
Part of their job was scientific a maanscements, but the
primary purpose was to keep track of the information coming
in on the UFOs and to analyze the information, both
scientifically and in a way that would advance our technology.
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There are government officials and elected officials that are thematically
brief in the existence of the m J twelve activities.
These officials include the President, the Vice President, as elected officials,
the Director of Central Intelligence, and the director of their
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national security agency. The m j Twealth Policy is headquartered
the Naval Observatory in Washington, d C. The United States
Navy has the primary operational responsibilities of field activities relating
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to the end AH world policies. All information gathering in
the field, not necessarily by Navy personnel, is transmitted to
the Navy for analysis. Other known government agencies feed information
to m J twelve through a top secret cover project
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known to US his Project Aquarius. That was Bill Moore
on the same program. Chandore wasn't the only person to
receive those documents more and at least one other researcher
did as well, but Shandera was the first to publicize them.
That original memo that came out and was sent out
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both to a. Bill Moore and Jamie Schanderrey and Toothy
Good in Britain. In fact, they were forced to release
it because they said, if you sit on this any longer,
Tim Good is going to release it and you won't
get any credit. So I think at the national UOFO
conference in Burbank here in El l a and the
early eighties, they introduced the MJ twelve documents and said
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they didn't know if they're real or not, but the
thought that probably they were. So somebody was sending this
to UFO authors, not to scientists, not to reporters, not
to anyone with any kind of mainstream credibility, but to
UFO authors. They were hoping that someone would publish this
in the UFO literature. So once it appeared with Jamie Schandra,
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Jamie Schandra developed the film, looked at the pages, shared
it with some of his other UFO buddies, and it
kind of entered the pop culture at that point. So
if we can accept that that is the correct history
of what happened, in my opinion, based on the research
that I've done, I do accept that that's the correct
history of where it happened. It did show up at
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multiple people's doorstep with no known origin. Nobody knows who
sent it, so who wrote it? Who was trying to
get information out to UFO authors? Well, if some real information,
they're the last people in the world you would have
sent it to, Right, you would have sent it to
someone with a little bit more credibility. You've given it
to The New York Times. I think the default assumption
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is that it's a forgery, reasonably obviously, the question is
who forged it. As the years went on, at this
point More it's not pretty much convinced. He is convinced
that it was totally posed, but at the time more
shander Ray and others had not reached that conclusion. They
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researched the original documents in great detail and discovered others,
generally with the help of cryptic clues pointing them in
the direction of documents that seemed likely to have been
planted Jamie Chander Ray and Bill Moore. And then they
were follow up postcards ethiopenial picture postcards mailed from New
Zealand with puzzles and riddles. Right, the puzzles were clues
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for example for a stylish loop shop simp Land. This
at us to the National Repository in Suitland, Maryland, where
we discovered the existence of top secret documents and filed
the freedom of information request, which led us further to
the Coupler Twining document. Legendary UFO researcher Stanton Friedman had
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worked with Bill Moore on the investigation into the Roswell crash,
and he again worked with more on trying to verify
the legitimacy of the m J twelve documents. Here he
is talking about this treasure hunt in the government files.
You'll notice a slight difference in where these files were
actually found. My colleague has got some postcards, crazy postcards
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talking about going to Washington. They've gotten a postcard and
said from box one something like that, I place in
New Zealand, crazy place more in Chanderay went to Washington,
d C. To see what they could find. But when
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they got there, I had been told that they were
declassifying the Air Force Headquarters files. They went to those
and they found this document between pages and folded up
as if it had been in somebody's pocket. And it
was in box one, which is quite unexpected. Anyway. It's
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just a brief note, but it says NSC National Security
Council m J twelve Special Studies Project, and the name
on it is Robert Cutler. He was Ike's Special Assistant
to the President for National security. And he's just telling
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General Twining that a meeting will take place during an
a race scheduled meeting instead of after it as originally
instructed to it. This is the Cutler Twining document that
More mentioned earlier. It is generally considered to be another forgery.
More eventually wrote a book called the m J twelve Documents.
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It's about a hundred pages long. It's just an analysis
of all the documents that he got that he could
talk about or thought that we're promising, and then a
great as to whether he thought they were imminist partners,
that they were real or not, and half for more
of them they said, you know, probably not real or
not not enough information to tell. But at this point
he says, no, I don't think there's anything real to
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it at all. It's the actual people in it, because
those people, of course did exists, and the Majestic twelve
people were supposedly in contact with the aliens and knew
all about them and everything. And so once this document
came out, which didn't happen until that has sort of
become a foundational document for many of the in the
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UFO community who believed that this serves as a flute
proof that the government not only knows about alien contact
but maintains active diplomatic relations which them. So that's that's
the story of m J twelve, But it's still with us,
and people still believe that that's a real group that
has some kind of per view over UFO information. And
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as far as I'm concerned, it's just some group that
somebody in the government somewhere decided that they want UFO
researchers to think had some activity with the subject. I'm
concerned that's not true. It's just a red herring. An
outcome of the MJ twelve documents initiative was UFO Cover
Up Live, which we've heard from in this episode. Among
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other things, the show covered m J twelve talked to
Soviet scientists, and featured two alleged government insiders who are
filmed in shadow and had their voices altered. On this
bizarre program, the advanced UFO and alien storylines to a
television audience. This excerpt starts with host Mike Farrell asking
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the man known as Falcon about extraterrestrials. We asked, Falcon,
where do you found out so much about extraterrestrial biological
entities or e v s. This book, or all the
Bible within the m G Wall community contains historically everything
that occurred from the Truman era helped through the Three
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Aliens being Yes the City, United States government, technological data
gathered from the aliens, medical history gathered from the aliens,
and we're found in the desert, autopsy information gathered from
dead aliens found in the deserts, and information obtained from
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the extra terrestrials regarding their social structure and their information
pertaining to universe? Was there an additional source of information? Presently,
as of the United eighty eight, there is one extra
terrestrial being. He's a guest of the United States Government
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and he's remained hidden from public view. The Yellow Book
is a book that was exclusively written by the Second Alien.
The book relates to the Aliens, planet, solar system sons,
the culture and society make up on the planet, the
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social structure of aliens and aliens, life among Brothleys, now
Condor tells us about a deal our government made with
the aliens from what he understands, and the green sign
between our our US government and the extra astrials, and
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there's such an agreement says that we won't disclow your
existence if you do not, and we allow you to
operate from the designated baser. United States gets in the
state of the Veta in an area called think back
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to last episode and Paul Bennowitz's Project Beta report that
includes his warnings about the dangers of signing a treaty
with the aliens. Two people in the UFO community familiar
with that storyline this exchange both supports and expands on it. Anyway.
The man in the shadows during this show, who has
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identified as Falcon, is thought by many people to be
Richard Doughty. He's even listened as such on the IMDb website. Doughty, however,
disputes this number one. I wasn't that wasn't me. I
wasn't on that program. No, but I had some meetings
with the producers of that program, and they wanted me
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to come on in uniform. They wanted me to come
on and disguise. They wanted me I refused to, but
I was busy. I was someplace entirely different at that
time period, but people claimed it was me. He does
think though, that people within the government were involved and
that they saw this as a way to potentially get
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information to the public. I think the producer wanted and
I think maybe somebody within the government wanted disclosure, some
sort of a disclosure, and that's why they were helpful
in this program UFOL Alive. Moore's involvement with the government's
efforts to spread disinformation in the UFO community ended in
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spectacular fashion at a high profile UFO conference in greg
Bishop was a friend of Moore's at this point and
attended the conference. I'd only known him a couple of
years up to that point, but he said, you know,
you're going to the moulf On conference. I said, yeah,
I guess I can. And I didn't even have enough
money to fly there. I had to take a bus
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from l A to Las Vegas and staying at the
cheapest hotel I could find, and then I would just
you know, I would walk or I don't know, take
a cab or something over to the hotel. With here
having a convention anyway, I wanted to go because he said,
I'm gonna knock everybody sucks off, he said, and I said,
was what I don't want to tell you. He wouldn't
tell me. He didn't tell anybody. I don't think. He
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called me and told me that he was going to
make this speech. I was there. He toned it down,
believe it or not, of what his original idea was.
I told him, you gotta be careful what you say, Bill,
So he toned it down somewhat, but it was an
earth shaking speech within the UFO community that he had
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been working for the government for years. He was like
the featured speaker on Saturday Night, which is basically, you know,
the one that everybody wants to see, the last speaker
on Saturday Night. There was no place to sit. When
I got there was like standing room only in there.
I don't know, probably thousand people. Big room, really big room.
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Bill Moore got up to speaking. He started describing what
happened with Benewitz while he was doing what he was doing.
His speech, which had originally been built as addressing revelations
from his MJ twelve investigations, instead was a nearly ninety
minute account of his arrangement with the government, his work
with Doughty, and what this all meant for the UFO community.
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This is an exerpt from that speech in which he
publicly talks about his work with the government to give
disinformation to Paul Benowitz. It's read by an actor. As
I've already stated, I was personally aware of the intelligence
community's concerted efforts to systematically confused, use, discourage, and discredit
Paul by providing him with a large body of disinformation
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on the subject of UFOs, the malevolent aliens who allegedly
pilot them, the technology, the employee, and the underground basis
they supposedly possess and occupy. The entire story of a
secret treaty between the US government and the aliens, of
exchange of technology between US and the aliens, of battles
between aliens and American armed forces, and of aliens allegedly
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having implanted hundreds of thousands, even millions of human beings
for the purpose of taking over the world and using
us as cattle or slaves. Came about as a result
of this process. I know because I was in a
position to observe much of this process as it unfolded
and I was providing regular reports on its effectiveness to
some of the very people who were doing it to Paul.
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And I can tell you that it was effective because
I watched Paul become systematically more paranoid and more emotionally
unstable as he tried to assimilate what was happening to him.
He had to stop probably five six, eight times, so
people had calmed down and stopped yelling at it, and
I kind of just stood there watching the whole thing.
Oh my god. I didn't know people were so passionate
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about this. I had just got back into the subject
after not really being into it since I was a teenager.
And here I am in my early twenties, very early twenties,
standing there watching the circus and watching people getting so
upset that wow, um this this is amazing. For the
question and answer, he he provided his own questions and answers.
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He didn't actually take questions from the audience because he
realized it would just been chaos. Um it was anyway,
don he was done, he ran out the back door,
the door next to the stage. He didn't like stay
around to ask a question, to answer any questions because
he knew it had just been he would have been
mobbed and maybe, uh, I don't know, maybe worse. It
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was just that revelation of that he had been working
with the government, because according to them, was the enemy,
the enemy of view awful researchers, the government and its
cover ups and the fact that he had cooperated with
them just drove them nuts. And I think that well,
that did him. Uh, it took him away from any
credibility within the Ufol community. He stayed within. He did
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a lot of things on his own for a number
of years, publishing what he thought was the truth. Um.
But it was a a gut wrenching speech for a
lot of people within the Ufo community. Two people in
the Ufo community. More speech not only revealed that he
had worked with the government to undermine the work of investigators,
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it also let them know that the stories that they
believed described the reality of the Ufo situation were in
fact of fiction, created by the government and funneled through More.
To them, the process they had been a part of
was not government disclosure but instead folklore creation. In the end,
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the campaign by the government through the Air Force Office
of Special Investigations against the Ufo community can best be
seen as a small part of a much larger counterintelligence
effort against our national rivals during the Cold War. People
don't realize that that was part of a huge operation
having to do with trying to find out who from Russia, China,
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anybody else was was watching our military projects, who was
watching how they were getting the information they were getting.
They're trying to actually just map all these networks of
spies and espionage people, just trying to find out you know.
One of the avenues they used was talking to UFO researchers.
I'm a UFO researcher from Russia. Did you tell me
what what you're working on? And it could be something
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around a military base, So anyway there, that's what they
were worried about. They didn't care about UFOs. What they
cared about in this operation was who knows what and
how is that information getting out? And in some cases
they wanted to map these uh networks because they wanted
to start throwing crap in the in the water, just
start throwing junk out their disinformation to Russians and Chinese
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and whoever else was looking at our stuff because they
could it's like, Okay, this person talks to this person,
this person. This is the direct direct line into you know,
the KGB. And so if we tell them something and
it has some plausibility to it, it will get to
the KGB or the Kremlin. They'll be acting on on
wrong information and it will miss less lead and missdirect them.
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There was a we call an annex, a part of
a major operation or a war plan or something that
was developed in Washington and the Pentagon, way above my
pay grade. And I wasn't the only one doing this.
There were a d twenty two other agents in the
United States that we're working on the same thing I
was doing. So it was just me, but it was
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following a plan. We were following a plan, and when
these matters popped up, we would report it up the
chain and chain of command. Messages would come down to
us telling us to go ahead and nact, do follow
this particular procedure and we and we did that. So
it wasn't a single isolated incident or plan. This was
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happening all over the United States and probably other foreign
countries too. Bill Moore told Greg Bishop about how he
saw his role in this faster effort, which involves William Casey,
the CIA director at the time, and Falcon the one
who recruited him, not the one from the television show.
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What Bill told me, He said, imagine that it's a
big play. And Richard Doughty is one of the bit players,
and I'm one of the big players. And Bennewitz is
a bit player in one scene in one part of
the player of the movie or whatever it is. And
there's a whole other player movie going on that as little,
very little to do with what we're doing, but we're
just tangentially connected with them. A giant show being. And
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he said, you know, and and Falcon was like, like
the director of the play, but the producer was he said,
was most likely William Casey. He said, if you look
at it that way, William Casey's a producer, Falcon is
a director, and Rick Dody and I and Ben and
Woods are all just a little bit players in one
little scene in this giant thing. To this point, in
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this season of Strange Arrivals, we've looked at how folklore
was created through the Reyndels from Forest incident, how Alan
Heinek and the Project Bluebook investigations created a narrative of
government cover up, and now how the government itself fed
storylines into the UFO community to ostensibly muddy the waters
around military experimental aircraft. But there is another force that
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has shaped our understanding of UFOs, and like the government's
disinformation operation, it both borrows from existing UFO folklore and
creates new arratives. This force is popular culture. Okay, great, um,
all right, well, why don't we just sort off? Could
you introduce yourself? Chris Carter, best known as creator of
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the X Files, next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals
is a production of i Heeart, three D Audio and
Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. This episode was written
and hosted by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins
and Josh Thame, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick,
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and Aaron Manky, and special thanks to Wendy Connors, creator
of the Faded Discs archive of UFO related audio on
archive dot org. Learn more about Strange Rivals over at
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You myst
Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D
audio for full exposure listen with headphones. So many questions occurred.
Do they believe in a supreme being? What's their intelligence level?
What's their average lifespan? It's approximately three fifty four hundred
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earth years. It's my understanding that aliens have an IQ
of over two hundred. They have a revision, but it's
a universal revision. They believe in the universe as a
supreme being. The aliens enjoyed music, all types of music,
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especially ancient Tibetan style music. We ask about their diet
and you eat vegetables. They like vegetables, and their favorite
dish or snack is ice cream, especially strawberry. On October four,
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Mike Ferrell, best known as Matches B. J. Huneycutt, hosted
a very strange television show called UFO Cover Up Live.
The show purported to be a revelatory look into what
the US government and the Soviet Union, among others, knew
about UFOs. It took the form of a series of
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apparently rehearsed sit down interviews between Ferrell and various UFO investigators,
including Bill Moore and a couple of supposed government insiders
who were hidden in shadows and spoke with distorted voices.
It was the culmination of a year's long effort by
the government to introduce new narratives into the UFO community.
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I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode eleven,
The Rumor Equation. In the late nineteen seventies and eighties,
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the Air Force Office of Special Investigations employed Richard Doughty
to spread disinformation within the UFO community. The result was
not only to cause confusion at the time, but also
to create new aspects and strains in the developing UFO folklore.
One of the striking features of the misinformation was just
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how outlandish the stories were. In the last episode, we
heard about Paul Benowits being fed information that led him
to believe that hostile aliens were based around and under
Archiletta Mesa and that they posed a threat to humanity.
During this episode, we'll learn about another bold misinformation campaign,
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and it raises the question why was the government trying
to convince people of such outrageous stories. Wouldn't it be
better to spend something a little more restrained. Utah State
Folklore Professor Lynn McNeil. There's actually a really cool, old
old study that was done by some psychologists looking at
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rumor and how rumor works in folk cours know that
rumor and legend are really similar, and they came up
with what they called the rumor equation. And no, this
is not deeply scientific, but it's pretty revealing when we
think about it. What they said was that the reach
of any rumor, the power of a rumor, the spread
of it, is equal to the topics importance multiplied by
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its ambiguity. If we have a topic to us that's
incredibly important, but we have all the info, but we're
going to talk about it. There's gonna be new stories
about it, but we're kind of gonna rest easy. We're
gonna be like, Okay, really important, Thank goodness, we know
every thing. If we have a topic that's incredibly ambiguous
but we don't really care, then we're sort of like, whatever,
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I don't need to know, it doesn't matter to me.
The minute you start that multiplying, exponential growth of something
that is both unbelievably important. So of course we can
use this as a barometer for our culture. Right what
has always been important to us, our military security, the
lives and safety of our children, our personal health, anti violence,
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anti crime, things like that, plus or multiplied by this
question of ambiguity. I don't have the answers. I don't
know the answers. It's possible someone is trying to keep
the answers from me. You put those things together, and
you are just asking for a wildfire spread of rumor
of legend of conspiracy theory. So, in fact, a story
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with outsized implications would be more effective than a more
restrained one that on its face might seem more plausible.
And that's important to keep in mind as we look
at the effort by Richard Doughty and others to feed
information into the world of UFO believers through, in particular,
a man named Bill Moore. You may remember Bill Moore
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from the last couple of episodes. He was one of
the researchers for and authors of the Roswell Incident, which
brought the Roswell crash story back to the public after
years of being ignored. He was also the person that
Doughty used to pass a memo to Paul Benewitz that
contained allusions to Project Aquarius and m J twelve, which
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we will hear more about in this episode, but his
relationship with Doughty predates the Benewit's affair. Here's Rich you're Doughty. Well,
Bill Moore came to my attention and something that was
entirely different than a UFO matter. Bill wasn't providing any
secret or classified information. He had a contact with a
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person inside the Soviet Union who worked for the Russian
Academy of Science, and the government was interested in that
particular scientists for a number of different reasons. So the
idea was to make a contact through Bill to try
to get this uh scientists as a cooperating person for
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the United States government, and it actually worked out well
for the government. During this time, according to Doughty, Moore
was also telling him information about two civilian UFO research organizations,
a PRO and mouf On, and this information was apparently
of some interest to the government. But then in the
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meantime Bill wrote the book about Roswell, where with Blitz.
The book contained about six of what Bill had gathered.
There's a large portion of his research that was never published. Well,
we were interested in what he didn't publish, and Bill
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was open to us, and he provided that information to
us and a lot of that information pertained to secretive
things that Bill had learned during his time researching it.
So here things get a little tricky because the account
we have of how More got involved in the business
of passing what he believed to be secret government information
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back to the UFO community doesn't quite square with what
we just heard from Doughty. Author Greg Bishop is a
friend of Moore's. He wrote the book Project Beta about
Doughty's operations involving Bennewitz and More. Here he talks about
how More came to be recruited into this effort. He
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got involved because he wrote the Roswell Incident. Him and
Charles Burretts actually did most of the research, and Charles
Burletts form a triangle guy, did most of the writing.
And anyway, so More was doing interviews about the book.
He was on a book tour and somebody called him
at one of the radio stations and said, you're the
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only person that seems to know what they're talking about.
We'd like to meet with you. And this this is
the second time it happened. The first time he said,
I can't meet with anybody. I'm going to my next
book stop. And this time he was an Albuquerque. He
said he did have a day so he met this
person turned out to be Falcon, as he's known in
the book. Um. That was a name that More and
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his partner gave to these people. More in his partner,
a man named Jamie Shanderay, gave code names based on
birds to the different people from the government that they
dealt with. This will become a little complicated later when
more than one person will be known as Falcon. But
at this point, the guy named Falcon is not Richard Dody.
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We don't, in fact know for sure who it was.
They just called at the aviary and gave all the
people they had contacts with bird names so that they
could talk about them on the phone to People wouldn't
know who they were talking about if they were listening
in on the phone. Here's Bill Moore on the show
UFO Cover Up Live talking about his recruitment. I got
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a phone call after appearing on a radio show from
a man who said, you're the only person we've heard
talk about this subject who seems to know what he's
talking about. He convinced me that he was a government
intelligence agent and wanted to begin disseminating some information about
UFOs to the public and the man Bill is referring
to his Falcon whom we've seen in shadow to protect
his identity. That's right. I didn't think that I could
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handle it all alone. The volume of material I was
getting from Falcon was rather mind boggling. So I got
together with Jamie. Jamie is fellow UFO researcher Jamie Shandray.
This government intelligence agent offered More an arrangement. Other UFO
researchers were interested in things around military basis. So what
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they told More was, if you could a tab on
what people are talking about and what information is going
through the uf OL community, so we know who knows what,
then we will give you information basically what everybody says.
It's disclosure. They said they'd give him official government documents
on UFOs, so he said, yeah, sure, I'll do it.
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It's not entirely clear who first met with More, but
Richard Doughty became his handler. More was valuable because he
was a respected UFO investigator who had worked with the
two main civilian UFO groups, a Pro and Moufon. Bill
had a both feet right in in with these groups.
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He was trusted and so Bill agreed to provide us
information that the UFO groups were gathering. And I would
say most of the information that was provided to us
with mundane stuff that we weren't really interested in. But
there was some information that was being gathered by the
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new Found groups, a new Found or appro group that
was of interest to the government, and it pertained to sightings.
People who were reported sightings, sightings that were never publicized,
people who would report a sighting or a close encounter
that occurred at a certain place, and we were interested
in those cases because of connections with research, whether it
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was maybe one of our craft's highly classified craft that
was being seen at certain locations, or just keeping track
of what the et s are doing. This is an
interesting comment from Dodi. The first part seems reasonable that
the government was trying to determine whether UFO researchers were
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observing secret military projects, and then at the end he
suggests that they were also trying to keep tabs on
what aliens were up to. At the risk of stating
the obvious, the two reasons for government is given here
range wildly in terms of plausibility, and this is where
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again I'll remind everyone that Richard Doughty is a former
professional counterintelligence agent. He spread misinformation for a living, and
I feel pretty sure he did during our conversations. I
don't think it makes sense to put much stock in
anything he says. But what he says is interesting, even
if it's not literally true. George Mason University Professor Deborah L.
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Tanzi Shutika, even if a story, even if you're conmpletely
convinced that someone is lying to you, when someone tells
you a story, I think that the important thing to
consider is, you know, like, why are they telling this
particular story? What does this communicate about them? Their community, um,
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their belief system, et cetera. Our job is to analyze,
like their ability as a storyteller. You know, are they
a good story toller? Are they engaging? You know, are
they able to hold their audience? Folkloreists are here to
judge the quality, context, and content of a story, more
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and more interested in the event itself as an event
and what it communicates about the people and their community.
When you're part of a community, you're going to have
developed a repertoire of stories that are part of that
communal folklore. Right. It's like almost like when Christians have
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conversion experiences. All those stories kind of have similar elements
that have been refined by the experience of being in
the community. So what's interesting to think about as we
listen to Richard Doughty is this we know that he
was spreading stories to make UFO researchers believe that they
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were on the trail of actual aliens rather than secret
defense projects. Why tell the particular stories that he did.
What does that tell us about the beliefs of the
UFO community and what they were willing to accept into
the developing UFO folklore. With add in mind, here's Richard
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Doughty again. The government knew, at least at the briefing
I was given in Night, that Earth has been visited.
I mean, we had two crafts, we had alien bodies.
We had one alien that was alive telling us different things,
briefing us about his society, his planet. So we knew.
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The government knew that Earth has been had been visited.
Now since seventy eight, I had received knowledge of other
e t races that had been visiting Earth that didn't
come until later. So that wasn't a surprise to the
government in the military and intelligence community, because we knew it.
That information just never got out to the public, I
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mean officially. The reason is that a lot of the
information that was coming through the UFO community pertained to
classified projects that we were working on. Some might have
been reverse engineering of an alien craft, or some might
be our own craft that we developed. Doty says he
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wasn't briefed on the technological origins of these projects. He
also says he witnessed some strange things. I saw some
things fly at Area fifty ones that were probably not
from this Earth, but that wasn't the information that they
wanted to get back from more. But what Bill was
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reporting to us were mostly incidents involving our crafts, highly
classified crafts such as the F one seventeen, the Aurora,
some highly classified drones that we had back then, and
people were seeing these things and reporting of and as UFOs,
which in fact they were post of the Skeptoid podcast
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Brian Dunning. Back in the days of the Cold War,
the U S was developing things like the U two,
the S R seventy one, and then the most significantly,
the F one seventeen, a stealth fighter, and the Air
Force had very legitimate security concerns about not letting the
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Soviets find out about these programs. And yet on the
mountaintops around every Air Force base in the US were
these groups of UFO researchers with their telescopes trained at
the base who believed, for whatever reason, that the UFOs
hiding aliens or or whatever it was, here's these UFO
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researchers watching the Air Force. The Air Force had, I
believe a legitimate concern that these UFO researchers might get
a real photo of an F one seventen, which then might,
by being published wherever, fall into the hands of the
Soviet Union. And what we had to do was we
had to convince through Bill that what they were seeing
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was hey UFOs and not some highly classified government craft.
You might call that disinformation. We call it counterintelligence, and
that's part of it what Bill was doing. They were
giving information about the government's dealings with alien races in
exchange for information about the movements of these UFO groups
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and whether there might be any Soviet agents infiltrating them,
because realistically, it does make sense that Soviet agents would
infiltrate UFO groups if they were doing things like getting
on mountaintops and actually getting footage of F one S
stealth fighters right that that actually makes sense. It was very,
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very very easy. I gotta remember every member or most
members of the UFO community, where if you wanted to
try to convince them of something, you did just had
to plant an idea to with him because they were
already believers. It wasn't very difficult to do that. And
that was a type of information that we wanted the
UFO group to spread within to keep away from the
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fact that that craft was really a highly classified US
government craft and it's it's a form of counterintelligence. I mean,
it wasn't difficult to do. I mean we didn't have
to go through any elaborate means to do it. We
had just had to tell somebody that was a UFO
and they would believe it. In addition to the exchange
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of information and disinformation, a second strange effort was undertaken
that created a narrative of incredible scope, an effort that
would bring more and Shanda Ray deeper into the government's
campaign against the UFO community after the break. Remember in
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the last episode, Bill Moore passed Paul Benowit's a doctored
memo that included references to Project Aquarius and a group
called m J twelve. That was the first known mention
of these two elements of what would become a much
larger narrative. The second part came with the delivery of
a package to Jamie Schanderrey Greg Bishop. He was set
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this package with the Eisenhower briefing document in which everybody
knows about now Brian Dunning. The background on that is
the m J twelve, Majestic twelve the full name. It's
a document, it's about three page is long. What it
purports to be is a letter. It's a memo written
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by the Director of the CIA in nineteen fifty two
and addressed to President Eisenhower, and what it's doing is
advising him of the existence of this group called Majestic twelve,
which is twelve scientists and military officials who were assembled
in ninety seven after the Roswell landing crash from the
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TV special UFO cover Up Live. This is the man
code named Falcon. He is presenting this information about m
J twelve as facts that he knows. As an intelligence operative.
M J twelve was a group of people with the government.
MJ TWOB was created by President Truman, then their job
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was to investigate the track of information pretending to UFOs.
Part of their job was scientific a maanscements, but the
primary purpose was to keep track of the information coming
in on the UFOs and to analyze the information, both
scientifically and in a way that would advance our technology.
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There are government officials and elected officials that are thematically
brief in the existence of the m J twelve activities.
These officials include the President, the Vice President, as elected officials,
the Director of Central Intelligence, and the director of their
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national security agency. The m j Twealth Policy is headquartered
the Naval Observatory in Washington, d C. The United States
Navy has the primary operational responsibilities of field activities relating
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to the end AH world policies. All information gathering in
the field, not necessarily by Navy personnel, is transmitted to
the Navy for analysis. Other known government agencies feed information
to m J twelve through a top secret cover project
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known to US his Project Aquarius. That was Bill Moore
on the same program. Chandore wasn't the only person to
receive those documents more and at least one other researcher
did as well, but Shandera was the first to publicize them.
That original memo that came out and was sent out
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both to a. Bill Moore and Jamie Schanderrey and Toothy
Good in Britain. In fact, they were forced to release
it because they said, if you sit on this any longer,
Tim Good is going to release it and you won't
get any credit. So I think at the national UOFO
conference in Burbank here in El l a and the
early eighties, they introduced the MJ twelve documents and said
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they didn't know if they're real or not, but the
thought that probably they were. So somebody was sending this
to UFO authors, not to scientists, not to reporters, not
to anyone with any kind of mainstream credibility, but to
UFO authors. They were hoping that someone would publish this
in the UFO literature. So once it appeared with Jamie Schandra,
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Jamie Schandra developed the film, looked at the pages, shared
it with some of his other UFO buddies, and it
kind of entered the pop culture at that point. So
if we can accept that that is the correct history
of what happened, in my opinion, based on the research
that I've done, I do accept that that's the correct
history of where it happened. It did show up at
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multiple people's doorstep with no known origin. Nobody knows who
sent it, so who wrote it? Who was trying to
get information out to UFO authors? Well, if some real information,
they're the last people in the world you would have
sent it to, Right, you would have sent it to
someone with a little bit more credibility. You've given it
to The New York Times. I think the default assumption
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is that it's a forgery, reasonably obviously, the question is
who forged it. As the years went on, at this
point More it's not pretty much convinced. He is convinced
that it was totally posed, but at the time more
shander Ray and others had not reached that conclusion. They
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researched the original documents in great detail and discovered others,
generally with the help of cryptic clues pointing them in
the direction of documents that seemed likely to have been
planted Jamie Chander Ray and Bill Moore. And then they
were follow up postcards ethiopenial picture postcards mailed from New
Zealand with puzzles and riddles. Right, the puzzles were clues
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for example for a stylish loop shop simp Land. This
at us to the National Repository in Suitland, Maryland, where
we discovered the existence of top secret documents and filed
the freedom of information request, which led us further to
the Coupler Twining document. Legendary UFO researcher Stanton Friedman had
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worked with Bill Moore on the investigation into the Roswell crash,
and he again worked with more on trying to verify
the legitimacy of the m J twelve documents. Here he
is talking about this treasure hunt in the government files.
You'll notice a slight difference in where these files were
actually found. My colleague has got some postcards, crazy postcards
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talking about going to Washington. They've gotten a postcard and
said from box one something like that, I place in
New Zealand, crazy place more in Chanderay went to Washington,
d C. To see what they could find. But when
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they got there, I had been told that they were
declassifying the Air Force Headquarters files. They went to those
and they found this document between pages and folded up
as if it had been in somebody's pocket. And it
was in box one, which is quite unexpected. Anyway. It's
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just a brief note, but it says NSC National Security
Council m J twelve Special Studies Project, and the name
on it is Robert Cutler. He was Ike's Special Assistant
to the President for National security. And he's just telling
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General Twining that a meeting will take place during an
a race scheduled meeting instead of after it as originally
instructed to it. This is the Cutler Twining document that
More mentioned earlier. It is generally considered to be another forgery.
More eventually wrote a book called the m J twelve Documents.
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It's about a hundred pages long. It's just an analysis
of all the documents that he got that he could
talk about or thought that we're promising, and then a
great as to whether he thought they were imminist partners,
that they were real or not, and half for more
of them they said, you know, probably not real or
not not enough information to tell. But at this point
he says, no, I don't think there's anything real to
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it at all. It's the actual people in it, because
those people, of course did exists, and the Majestic twelve
people were supposedly in contact with the aliens and knew
all about them and everything. And so once this document
came out, which didn't happen until that has sort of
become a foundational document for many of the in the
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UFO community who believed that this serves as a flute
proof that the government not only knows about alien contact
but maintains active diplomatic relations which them. So that's that's
the story of m J twelve, But it's still with us,
and people still believe that that's a real group that
has some kind of per view over UFO information. And
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as far as I'm concerned, it's just some group that
somebody in the government somewhere decided that they want UFO
researchers to think had some activity with the subject. I'm
concerned that's not true. It's just a red herring. An
outcome of the MJ twelve documents initiative was UFO Cover
Up Live, which we've heard from in this episode. Among
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other things, the show covered m J twelve talked to
Soviet scientists, and featured two alleged government insiders who are
filmed in shadow and had their voices altered. On this
bizarre program, the advanced UFO and alien storylines to a
television audience. This excerpt starts with host Mike Farrell asking
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the man known as Falcon about extraterrestrials. We asked, Falcon,
where do you found out so much about extraterrestrial biological
entities or e v s. This book, or all the
Bible within the m G Wall community contains historically everything
that occurred from the Truman era helped through the Three
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Aliens being Yes the City, United States government, technological data
gathered from the aliens, medical history gathered from the aliens,
and we're found in the desert, autopsy information gathered from
dead aliens found in the deserts, and information obtained from
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the extra terrestrials regarding their social structure and their information
pertaining to universe? Was there an additional source of information? Presently,
as of the United eighty eight, there is one extra
terrestrial being. He's a guest of the United States Government
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and he's remained hidden from public view. The Yellow Book
is a book that was exclusively written by the Second Alien.
The book relates to the Aliens, planet, solar system sons,
the culture and society make up on the planet, the
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social structure of aliens and aliens, life among Brothleys, now
Condor tells us about a deal our government made with
the aliens from what he understands, and the green sign
between our our US government and the extra astrials, and
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there's such an agreement says that we won't disclow your
existence if you do not, and we allow you to
operate from the designated baser. United States gets in the
state of the Veta in an area called think back
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to last episode and Paul Bennowitz's Project Beta report that
includes his warnings about the dangers of signing a treaty
with the aliens. Two people in the UFO community familiar
with that storyline this exchange both supports and expands on it. Anyway.
The man in the shadows during this show, who has
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identified as Falcon, is thought by many people to be
Richard Doughty. He's even listened as such on the IMDb website. Doughty, however,
disputes this number one. I wasn't that wasn't me. I
wasn't on that program. No, but I had some meetings
with the producers of that program, and they wanted me
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to come on in uniform. They wanted me to come
on and disguise. They wanted me I refused to, but
I was busy. I was someplace entirely different at that
time period, but people claimed it was me. He does
think though, that people within the government were involved and
that they saw this as a way to potentially get
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information to the public. I think the producer wanted and
I think maybe somebody within the government wanted disclosure, some
sort of a disclosure, and that's why they were helpful
in this program UFOL Alive. Moore's involvement with the government's
efforts to spread disinformation in the UFO community ended in
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spectacular fashion at a high profile UFO conference in greg
Bishop was a friend of Moore's at this point and
attended the conference. I'd only known him a couple of
years up to that point, but he said, you know,
you're going to the moulf On conference. I said, yeah,
I guess I can. And I didn't even have enough
money to fly there. I had to take a bus
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from l A to Las Vegas and staying at the
cheapest hotel I could find, and then I would just
you know, I would walk or I don't know, take
a cab or something over to the hotel. With here
having a convention anyway, I wanted to go because he said,
I'm gonna knock everybody sucks off, he said, and I said,
was what I don't want to tell you. He wouldn't
tell me. He didn't tell anybody. I don't think. He
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called me and told me that he was going to
make this speech. I was there. He toned it down,
believe it or not, of what his original idea was.
I told him, you gotta be careful what you say, Bill,
So he toned it down somewhat, but it was an
earth shaking speech within the UFO community that he had
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been working for the government for years. He was like
the featured speaker on Saturday Night, which is basically, you know,
the one that everybody wants to see, the last speaker
on Saturday Night. There was no place to sit. When
I got there was like standing room only in there.
I don't know, probably thousand people. Big room, really big room.
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Bill Moore got up to speaking. He started describing what
happened with Benewitz while he was doing what he was doing.
His speech, which had originally been built as addressing revelations
from his MJ twelve investigations, instead was a nearly ninety
minute account of his arrangement with the government, his work
with Doughty, and what this all meant for the UFO community.
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This is an exerpt from that speech in which he
publicly talks about his work with the government to give
disinformation to Paul Benowitz. It's read by an actor. As
I've already stated, I was personally aware of the intelligence
community's concerted efforts to systematically confused, use, discourage, and discredit
Paul by providing him with a large body of disinformation
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on the subject of UFOs, the malevolent aliens who allegedly
pilot them, the technology, the employee, and the underground basis
they supposedly possess and occupy. The entire story of a
secret treaty between the US government and the aliens, of
exchange of technology between US and the aliens, of battles
between aliens and American armed forces, and of aliens allegedly
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having implanted hundreds of thousands, even millions of human beings
for the purpose of taking over the world and using
us as cattle or slaves. Came about as a result
of this process. I know because I was in a
position to observe much of this process as it unfolded
and I was providing regular reports on its effectiveness to
some of the very people who were doing it to Paul.
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And I can tell you that it was effective because
I watched Paul become systematically more paranoid and more emotionally
unstable as he tried to assimilate what was happening to him.
He had to stop probably five six, eight times, so
people had calmed down and stopped yelling at it, and
I kind of just stood there watching the whole thing.
Oh my god. I didn't know people were so passionate
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about this. I had just got back into the subject
after not really being into it since I was a teenager.
And here I am in my early twenties, very early twenties,
standing there watching the circus and watching people getting so
upset that wow, um this this is amazing. For the
question and answer, he he provided his own questions and answers.
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He didn't actually take questions from the audience because he
realized it would just been chaos. Um it was anyway,
don he was done, he ran out the back door,
the door next to the stage. He didn't like stay
around to ask a question, to answer any questions because
he knew it had just been he would have been
mobbed and maybe, uh, I don't know, maybe worse. It
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was just that revelation of that he had been working
with the government, because according to them, was the enemy,
the enemy of view awful researchers, the government and its
cover ups and the fact that he had cooperated with
them just drove them nuts. And I think that well,
that did him. Uh, it took him away from any
credibility within the Ufol community. He stayed within. He did
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a lot of things on his own for a number
of years, publishing what he thought was the truth. Um.
But it was a a gut wrenching speech for a
lot of people within the Ufo community. Two people in
the Ufo community. More speech not only revealed that he
had worked with the government to undermine the work of investigators,
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it also let them know that the stories that they
believed described the reality of the Ufo situation were in
fact of fiction, created by the government and funneled through More.
To them, the process they had been a part of
was not government disclosure but instead folklore creation. In the end,
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the campaign by the government through the Air Force Office
of Special Investigations against the Ufo community can best be
seen as a small part of a much larger counterintelligence
effort against our national rivals during the Cold War. People
don't realize that that was part of a huge operation
having to do with trying to find out who from Russia, China,
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anybody else was was watching our military projects, who was
watching how they were getting the information they were getting.
They're trying to actually just map all these networks of
spies and espionage people, just trying to find out you know.
One of the avenues they used was talking to UFO researchers.
I'm a UFO researcher from Russia. Did you tell me
what what you're working on? And it could be something
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around a military base, So anyway there, that's what they
were worried about. They didn't care about UFOs. What they
cared about in this operation was who knows what and
how is that information getting out? And in some cases
they wanted to map these uh networks because they wanted
to start throwing crap in the in the water, just
start throwing junk out their disinformation to Russians and Chinese
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and whoever else was looking at our stuff because they
could it's like, Okay, this person talks to this person,
this person. This is the direct direct line into you know,
the KGB. And so if we tell them something and
it has some plausibility to it, it will get to
the KGB or the Kremlin. They'll be acting on on
wrong information and it will miss less lead and missdirect them.
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There was a we call an annex, a part of
a major operation or a war plan or something that
was developed in Washington and the Pentagon, way above my
pay grade. And I wasn't the only one doing this.
There were a d twenty two other agents in the
United States that we're working on the same thing I
was doing. So it was just me, but it was
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following a plan. We were following a plan, and when
these matters popped up, we would report it up the
chain and chain of command. Messages would come down to
us telling us to go ahead and nact, do follow
this particular procedure and we and we did that. So
it wasn't a single isolated incident or plan. This was
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happening all over the United States and probably other foreign
countries too. Bill Moore told Greg Bishop about how he
saw his role in this faster effort, which involves William Casey,
the CIA director at the time, and Falcon the one
who recruited him, not the one from the television show.
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What Bill told me, He said, imagine that it's a
big play. And Richard Doughty is one of the bit players,
and I'm one of the big players. And Bennewitz is
a bit player in one scene in one part of
the player of the movie or whatever it is. And
there's a whole other player movie going on that as little,
very little to do with what we're doing, but we're
just tangentially connected with them. A giant show being. And
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he said, you know, and and Falcon was like, like
the director of the play, but the producer was he said,
was most likely William Casey. He said, if you look
at it that way, William Casey's a producer, Falcon is
a director, and Rick Dody and I and Ben and
Woods are all just a little bit players in one
little scene in this giant thing. To this point, in
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this season of Strange Arrivals, we've looked at how folklore
was created through the Reyndels from Forest incident, how Alan
Heinek and the Project Bluebook investigations created a narrative of
government cover up, and now how the government itself fed
storylines into the UFO community to ostensibly muddy the waters
around military experimental aircraft. But there is another force that
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has shaped our understanding of UFOs, and like the government's
disinformation operation, it both borrows from existing UFO folklore and
creates new arratives. This force is popular culture. Okay, great, um,
all right, well, why don't we just sort off? Could
you introduce yourself? Chris Carter, best known as creator of
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the X Files, next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals
is a production of i Heeart, three D Audio and
Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. This episode was written
and hosted by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins
and Josh Thame, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick,
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and Aaron Manky, and special thanks to Wendy Connors, creator
of the Faded Discs archive of UFO related audio on
archive dot org. Learn more about Strange Rivals over at
Grimm and Mild dot com, and find more podcasts from
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