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Of This strange thing with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua
Pe Warren and each week on this show I'll be
bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises and
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weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot
more on this edition of the program. How anti gravity
built the pyramids. You know, for almost twenty years I
have known nick redfern. He is a great friend uh
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the kind of guy who has slept on my couch,
you know, and is well. He was born in England
and he lives in Texas now and he is one
of the most talented researchers and writers in the world.
We've been on TV shows together, we've investigated in the
field together, we have spoken at live events together. As
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a matter of fact, Nick redfern was a part of
the x OPS TV show debacle uh, from Roswell, New Mexico,
that I talked about an episode ten of this podcast.
Now that is a story for you. The results of
that project are still locked away in a vault somewhere.
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If you don't know what I'm talking about, go back
and listen to episode ten of this strange things podcast. Um. So, yeah,
Nick and I we we've got some war stories and uh,
he has a new book out let just for the
heck of it. Let me start by reading you the
little blurb, the kind of bio blurb, on the back
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of the book. And this just scratches the surface of
his work. UH, the author of more than sixty books,
including the NASA conspiracies, the real men in black, bloodline
of the Gods and the Pyramids and the Pentagon. He
has been on many television shows, including travel channels in
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search of monsters, history channels unexplained, ancient aliens and Monster Quest,
sci fi channels, proof positive and the National Geographic Channels
Para natural. Nick is a regular guest on coast to
coast a m UH. Pretty much, if you're in this
field you know who nick redfern is and we all
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pay attention when he brings a new book out. And
his brand new book is called how anti gravity built
the pyramids. That's a catchy title, and then it says
the mysterious technology of ancient super structures. Now, I had
to think about how I was going to present this
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and I want to explain something about how I have
decided to produce this podcast. Uh, from the very beginning,
this is is my style. I want you to realize
that I uh, when I was a kid and I
decided to start getting involved in media, my thing was like,
I want to be a writer. You know, I consider
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myself first and foremost a writer. I have published over
twenty books myself, some with big publishers like Simon and Schuster,
and I actually still, to this day, consider myself primarily
a writer, even though I speak it now more than
I actually write it. It's this. It's the same process.
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It's putting words together and telling stories. And so when
I am looking at another writer's work, I view it
a little bit differently than somebody who just hosts a
podcast or a radio show or a TV show. You see, traditionally,
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when someone writes a book and then decides to go
out and promote that book, well then they say, okay,
I'm available for a certain period of time, and then
what you're supposed to do is bring that person onto
your show and then you interview that person about the
book and you have a big conversation about it and
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then maybe people can call it and ask questions. That's
how everybody does it. But I decided that I was
going to do things a little differently because, again, I
can look at this situation from a writer's point of
view and, uh, what I realized was that when a
writer is writing a book, that writer is in a
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completely different mindset than when that writer is giving an
off the cuff interview. Uh, it's not the same thing.
It's like, you know, it's to me like sometimes I
would take like two years to write a book and
I sit down and I just put a lot of
thought and effort into gathering the words and the concepts
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and assembling everything to present uh, the exactly as I
want it presented. Okay, and then after it's released, somebody says, well,
come on my show at six o'clock in the morning
and we're gonna, you know, talk about this for thirty
minutes and you get up in your groggy and and
you start talking about your book and it's like it's
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it's not. You're not capturing the real essence of what
you spent two years producing. It's two separate things. So
what I prefer to do in many cases is, instead
of interviewing the author of a new book, I will
contact that author and say, will you please give me
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permission to actually read some of your book on the show,
and everybody always says yes, that's wonderful, that's fantastic. They
can sleep late, they don't have to schedule an interview
and I get to also, I you know, I can
do this whenever I want. And but the best part
is you're actually getting a sample of the real product,
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not somebody talking about it. You're getting the real thing.
And I don't interview a lot of people on this podcast. Intentionally. Uh. Anyway,
for a number of reasons, I want to get into
all of those, but I feel like that, again, given
just my own background as an author and my own
personal experiences, you're going to get a better feel for
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what the author wanted to produce and put out there
in the world if if I just read you some
of it. So that is what I'm going to do
right now. I'm going to read you some of the
introduction here from Nick redfern's new book how anti gravity
built the pyramids. Here we go. Imagine, if you will,
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the following scenario before you. It's several millennia ago and
deep in the heart of what is now called the
Middle East, there are desert sands in every single direction.
The temperature is soaring and it's only getting hotter, and
the air is as dry as it could be. Suddenly,
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the sky above you begins to grow dark, ominously, to
be sure. Huge shadows appear here, there and everywhere. Those
same shadows slowly begin to envelope just about all and
everyone in sight. They even blot out the light of
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the sun itself. You know all too well from where
those massive shadows are coming. The skies you have seen
this happen time and time again, but on each and
every occasion you simply cannot fail to be completely awed, hypnotized,
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almost perhaps, by the incredible view that is above your head.
You look up and you squint. It's all you can
do in all directions. Countless huge stones, many of them
and excess of one thousand tons in weight, are slowly
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moving above the landscape that's right above like an unstoppable
army of determined giant ants devoted to their queen. The
armada of stones follow the paths of those who are
controlling them. You continue to stare as the stones finally
reach their location and then, bit by bit and with
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shockingly incredible preciseness, the stones are lowered, one by one,
all into place. Each massive block has been carefully molded
into perfect shape and is now becoming part of a
temple of absolute gigantic proportions. The process takes only a
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few days before it is repeated again and again. Neither
you nor any of your people have any real sure
ideas as to who the movers of the stone are.
And all of the time, and while the work is
going ahead, deep humming sound penetrates your body, causing it
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to slightly vibrate. Okay, I'm going to stop there for
a second as we take our first break. These see
what I mean. Like if if I got nick on
here and I said tell me about your book, you'd
be like, well, here I wrote a book about but
isn't it better to hear the way he has written
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this to help you actually envision what he's writing about?
And what do you think the secret is here? He
I mean that's that's a pretty bold title. How anti
gravity built the Pyramids? Well, what's HE gonna say? How
does he know? What could his explanation possibly be? Well,
when we come back, I'm gonna tell you. I'm not
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gonna leave you hanging. This is not just a tease.
I'm going to tell you exactly what he thinks is
going on. I'M NOT gonna Spoil his book. Don't worry
about that, nick, I'M NOT gonna spoil it, but I
will tell you what he's writing about. Didn't that good stuff?
All right, before we hit the break, another thing. I
I'm recording this in September. Next month is October and
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things on the I heart radio and coast to coast.
Stay am paranormal podcast network, and I will be right
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heart radio and coast to coast. Am Paranormal podcast network.
I am your host, the wizard of Weird, Joshua Kei Warren.
Beat me into your wormhole brain from my studio and
in the city Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is
golden and every night is silver. Of course you can
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go to Amazon Dot Com and just look up the
name Nick Redfern, R E D F E R N,
or just look up the name of his book how
anti gravity built the pyramids, and he has a blog
spot here, nick redfern forten dot blog spot dot com.
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And of course, Fortien, named after the Great Charles Fort.
Charles Fort was an American writer. He lived from eighteen
seventy four until nineteen thirty two and he specialized in
documenting and writing about anomalous phenomena. So the terms Fort
Ian and forty ANA are often used to characterize these
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types of bizarre things, and he's always been a hero
of mine. Nick read fern obviously enjoys the work of
Charles Fort and I guess I should point out that
just recently I submitted a short film about o Ufos
that I produced years ago to the first fourteen film
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festival in England and UH guess what? It won the
Gold Award. Oh ufos, a new discovery. It won the
Gold Award for best documentary short at the fourteen film festival.
So how cool is that? Um goes to show how
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this concept of Fortiana just keeps popping up and tying
us all together. So, okay, let's get back to the
amazing story, shall we, from Nix's book, How anti gravity
built the pyramids. You have pondered long on who the WHO?
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These people, these people who come from the skies, are
a mighty race from a land far away from Earth, gods,
beings from another world in the sky. All you really
know is that one day they weren't there and then
one day they were there. Now, of course, let me
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remind you he's talking about the point of view of
ancient people. Okay, he says, one day they these things,
these beings, moving these stones. One day they weren't there
and all of a sudden they're there, and not only there,
but they're in massive, near worldwide proportions, and their arrival,
along with their increasing and growing presence, is changing the world,
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nodding the planet with huge stone enigmas that still have
yet to be beaten. When it comes to the mystery stakes,
and now they're even teaching you how to create such
structures for you and those of your villages, towns and cities.
Such as the ease of how the operations work. Indeed,
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it turns out that the entire process is amazingly simple
to put into place and far quicker than you thought
such a thing could be achieved. Eventually, though, the time
arrives when those who have all of the power to
raise the mighty stones and create massive buildings with amazing,
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awesome ease leave. There were rumors and tales of this incredible,
mysterious civilization having sculpted unimaginable landscapes and other lands and
nations overseas even two you never forgot them. How could
you welcome to the world of what I call the levitators? Today,
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all the is left of this enigmatic civilization and of
their sensational aerial skills are myths, legends and untold numbers
of massive blocks of stone that forever perplex and tantalize us.
How could such incredible technology have been created put into
action with such ease and speed? These questions were asked,
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and then they're asked then and they're still asked now,
and although we don't have the full story, we do
know that the key to moving immense blocks of stones
was nothing less than sound. Yes, really, the levitators mastered
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the technology of sound thousands of years ago. What they
called the technology back then? Well, we have no idea. Today, however,
it's known as Acoustic Levitation and, for all of our
science and technology, when it comes to it, we're still
very much in our infancy, trying to solve something that
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we simply cannot grasp, not to a significant degree at least.
Later we'll get to the deeper side of this amazing
science that, for centuries upon centuries, allowed so many incredible,
famous structures to be put into place, and so long ago.
For now, though, here's a perfect, concise description of acoustic
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levitation from Marie D Jones and Larry Flaxman, who have
themselves sought to solve the mystery of ancient anti gravity. Okay,
so here's a passage from Marie D Jones and Larry Flaxman,
the Jones flaxman team. Actually, we're not quite the passage yet. Okay,
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so here let me just start this over and say
the Jones Flaxman team present the phenomenon, as quote too,
opposing sound frequencies with interfering sound waves, thus creating a
resonant zone that allows the levitation to occur. Theoretically, to
move a levitating object, simply change or alter the two
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sound waves and tweak accordingly. End Quote. You may think
that is all very simple, too simple even in some ways.
It actually is, at least on a very small scale,
and that's the big problem for us today. The technology
allows us to successfully utilize it only on a tiny level. Somehow, though,
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the ancients were able to use acoustic levitation on almost
unbelievable size. For us, it's very much like not seeing
the forest for the trees. How stuff works says the following,
demonstrating that the science is now growing and adding to
the science of all of this. And now here's a passage.
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To understand how acoustic levitation works, you first need to
know a little about gravity, air and sound. First, gravity
is a force that causes objects to attract to one another.
The simplest way to understand gravity is through Isaac Newton's
law of Universal gravitation. This law states that every particle
in the universe attracts every other particle, and the more
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massive an object is, the more strongly it attracts other objects.
The closer objects are, the more strongly they attract each other.
An enormous object like the earth easily attracts objects that
are close to it, like apples hanging from trees. Scientists
haven't decided exactly what causes this attraction, but they believe
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it exists everywhere in the universe. And then he gets
gets back into his UH intro and he says, could
the construction of the world's biggest buildings really have been
achieved so incredibly easy and when we can't even barely
get off the starting blocks? For the LEVITATORS, at least,
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the answer is a decisive yes to both questions. As
for us, to a degree, we're still fumbling around in
the dark, or perhaps fumbling in the sand would be
a more appropriate phrase, taking into consideration that many of
the amazing sites that we will be visiting as this
amazing story grows and grows, for the most part, beliefs
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in the existence of these vanished, mighty ancient people who
cracked the secrets of nothing less than anti gravity are
largely scoffed at, ignored and dismissed by many even in
some aspects of the scientific community. We're talking about Millennia
old aspects of ancient, real world people similar to those
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described and the tales of mythical Atlantis and move or. Conversely,
we might be talking about honest to goodness X or terrestrials.
As we continue with our story, the origin of these
stonemasons of the absolutely incredible kind begin to clear. Did
these people, whatever their origins, finally leave our world behind,
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taking all of their incredible secrets with them? Were those
same secrets destroyed, leaving us with only fragments of a
science that was radically different to that of ours? Have
they periodically come back to share their secrets with a
few of us, or is everything lost to us? Do
we only have now myths and legends to work on?
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All of these questions will be addressed in the pages
of this book. To try to get the answers to
the enigmatic riddle, we need to travel much of the globe,
and that's exactly what we will be doing. We will
cross paths with the likes of Stonehenge, the massive stones
of Ball Beck and Lebanon, the Egyptian pyramids, Easter Island
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and numerous other creations that may, they well have been
erected in some of the most alternative ways that one
could possibly imagine. And then, having done that, we'll take
a handful of trips through the centuries and then, after
all of that, a final great leap to see how
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we today and the twenty first century are now slowly
starting to realize just why our civilization and our historians
have gotten so much massively wrong. Alrighty, time for another
short break and okay, when we come back I want
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to tell you some about my own personal experiments with
Acoustic Levitation and some of my ideas on how realistic
this is. Um and you know it's it's an amazing concept,
but those are amazing structures. So I think we've got
to have a pretty profound change in our thinking to
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grasp how that people who lived thousands of years ago
may been able to produce some of these things that
we say that we really can't even produce today. Boy,
that is a mystery, isn't it? I'm Joshua Pete Warren.
You're listening to strange things all on the I heart
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I will be back after these important messages. Welcome back
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to strange things on the I heart radio and coast
that coast. I am Pama, normal podcast network, I'm your host,
Joshua Pete Warren, and this is the show where the
unusual becomes usual. I want to read to you just
a little bit more from Nick redfern's new book how
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anti gravity built the pyramids, the mysterious technology of ancient superstructures.
And again, just go to Amazon and look up Nick
redfern and you'll you will find a whole rabbit hole
of material that nick has produced. Just a little bit more, though,
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there is no doubt that, when it comes to the
controversial issue of anti gravity and ways and means by
which it may have been spectacularly achieved thousands of years ago,
most researchers of this enigmatic phenomenon tend to head in
the direction of Egypt for the answers to the riddle
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that or in the direction of that bastion of data,
the Internet. You only have to look at the Pyramids
to see why the Pyramids of Giza still amaze people
after such a long period of time. Largely it's because
the mighty structures are so immense and so unmissable. On
top of that, they are so incredibly precise in their construction,
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and that's why we are beginning with Egypt and its
connections to anti gravity. It's the ultimate story to get
the whole thing going. You gotta Add this book to
your collection. Thank you, Nick Redfern, for allowing me to
read those passages to the audience. And, uh, you know
his stuff. It's talking about a page Turner and you know,
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it's kind of funny because when you think about it's
called how anti gravity built the Pyramids and he's saying
sound waves, we're we're working. I don't know it technically
that would be anti gravity because gravity is still it's
it's not like you're negating gravity. Gravity is still there,
but you're actually working within the constraints of gravity to
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still produce levitation. So I don't know, like I'm not
sure how a scientist would sit down and split hairs
on that, but you get the picture. You understand what
he's talking about and it is just mind boggling when
you try to think about some of these things that
have been moved by ancient people. I mean think about
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how long ago, like, uh, we'll think about what you
were doing ten years ago. Just take a second think
about what you were doing ten years ago and how
long ago that seems to you. Think of thousands of years.
I mean you really can't imagine what people were like
thousands of years ago. And we really don't even know
because we, you know, we have these little, you know,
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scattered writings that have been pieced together and mistranslated and
that's just a little tiny, you know, figment of of
what things were obviously like back then. Um, you know
one thing that nick talks about, you know, he mentioned
the ball back stones. That's spelled B A A L
B E K ball back. These are six massive blocks
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and Lebanon and if you look them up, uh, scholars
say that these are characterized by how do you like
this term? Megalithic gigantism, unparalleled in antiquity. Wow, megalithic gigantism somehow.
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I think I need to turn that into a t
shirt from myself. Some megalithic gigantism unparalleled. Uh, eight hundred tons.
Some people have claimed that some of these blocks are
even bigger, but they are. We're talking eight hundreds. Now,
you know, a ton like an American ton. I know
it's over two thousand pounds. Let's see. Let mean, how
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I'm gonna do that. How many tons is a pound?
If you were on who wants to be a millionaire,
would would you know the answer to that? Um or
listen to me. How many pounds is a ton? That
was kind of a spoonerism. Okay, well, it is. It's okay,
so it's two thousand pounds. Here in America one ton
is two thousand pounds. So you're talking about eight hundred tons.
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Oh my goodness, that's a lot. That's you know, that's
a big number. You can you can do your own
research if you want to figure out like what. You
can compare that to eight hundred tons. This is a
quarried stone. Um. How did they do that? You know,
was this thing moved or did it stay in place?
Nick thinks that it was moved. He goes, why would
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you just carve that and leave it there? You know,
I guess maybe you could. You would do it if
it was just too big and you're like, okay, maybe
we went too far with this one this time, guys.
And then, of course, you know, I've been to the
Coral Castle down there in Florida, were this little old
guy named Ed Lead Skalnon. Um. He of course, pretty
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much single handedly created this fortress made of these huge
blocks of coral and nobody knows exactly how he did it,
but he would he would hint and say like Oh,
I know the secrets of the Pyramids and I know
he used levers and pulleys and stuff like that. I mean,
you can see some of that stuff still there when
you go there, but I mean I don't know if
that alone can explain it. And I do know that, Um,
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there is this guy. I should have looked this up
before I did this podcast, but you probably know I'm
talking about. There's this guy years ago who made the news,
and I want to say he lived somewhere up north
here in the US, and he started studying all this
these laws of leverage and he was able to go
out by himself and moved some pretty Gargangel in blocks
around using simple, uh simple machines. Like I think at
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one point he had this gigantic concrete slab and Um,
he it was it was just, you know, lying there
on the ground and he took like a water hose
just started wetting the ground at one end of it
and making it kind of turn into mud. And so
as that happened, one end started to kind of synk
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down into the mud and then he would put some
blocks behind it and shure it up, and then he'd
keep spraying water there and it would, of course, he'd
get a little softer and muddier and then that it
would sink down a little bit more and he'd put
a block behind it and shut up, and he kept
doing this until this thing was standing upright. The Guy
did it all by himself by weakening the soil on
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one side of it as he was propping it up
with blocks, you know, like pieces of wood, on the
other side of so like there are some ingenious ways
out there, for sure that you can do some unbelievable
stuff as as just you know, well as an individual
in the right type of setting, well, with some simple
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tools to to move some big blocks around. And so
I do think that we maybe we overestimate, Um, you know,
some of the things that we some of these mysteries
that were so perplexed by it. But here's the thing about,
like what Nick saying with this acoustic levitation thing. All right,
so you know, I am infatuated with symantics. I think
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the most immediate gratification that I get in my life
is using symantics, where I can take sand or water
and I can play tones below it and just watch
these particles snap into all of these wild patterns. To me,
it's just I I can. I can do that all day,
every day, and I would never lose interest in this
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process because you're seeing the relationship between frequencies and vibrations
and physical matter, and every time I see a pattern emerge,
it's to me it's like actually watching magic manifest right
before my eyes and it's so fulfilling, and that is
why I took that and turned it into this field
of study I created called Parasymatics, where I would take
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these cymatic patterns and then interject meaning into them to
create sigils and symbols, or do the opposite, which is
parasymatics two point Oh, where I take sigils and symbols
and I kind of reverse the process and I get
sounds from them. So, uh, this is a big part
of what I do and, as a matter of fact,
next year I planned to announce a brand new division
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of my company that is going to be specializing in
a whole new line of revelue snary parasigmatics experiments at
products and I'm really excited. I've been working on this
for a long time. But the reason I bring this
up is in my lab where I do para semantics experiments,
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I have performed acoustic levitation and Um, basically, you know,
I I even shot a video of it, which I'll
release at some point, but you can find this kind
of thing pretty easily if you just get on the
Internet and click around. Well, we're talking about essentially, as
you take two speakers, uh, one that is mounted above
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the other, and they are playing tones uh and toward
each other, and they're tuned so that there is this
zone in the middle, uh, like Marie d Jones and
Larry Flaxman we're talking about. There's this zone there, UM,
that holds itself as a steady, independent area, and you
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can take something like a little piece of Styrofoam and
put it in there and it just boom, it hits
that spot and it just sits there and floats, using
nothing other than sound waves, uh, and it's it's a
lot like the levitation that you've seen with magnets or
it even kind of reminds me of that effect when
you take like a beach ball and, uh, you let
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it hover over top of a fan. You know that's
always a fun looking effect. But in this case you
know you're using sound to vibrate the air and and
create this pocket where things can levitate. And so what
I've done right here on a very small budget in
my own workshop is exactly what Nick is talking about,
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except we're talking about Dylan. Instead of a piece of Styrofoam,
we're talking about a huge granite boulder or something like that. So, yeah,
that's quite a leap from here to there or there
to hair. But on the other hand, the concept is sound.
No Pun intended there. I mean it could, it could
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be done, I guess, if you hit the right notes,
and he gets into that in the book. So I
started thinking about like, all right, why, if we can
do this on a small scale and ancient people could
do it on a big scale, so well, why are
we struggling right now with reproducing that? And then I
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started thinking more about like extraterrestrials and then ultra terrestrials
and then enter dimensionals, and I had an experience that
I want to share with you soon when we come
back from this break. I guess that's a good time right.
I had an experience I want to share with you
along those lines. To explain this. You're listening to strange
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welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
strange things on the I heart radio and coast to
coast I am paranormal podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua
P Warren, and during the break I looked it up
and okay, the guy you need to take a look
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at here who can move all of these stones by
himself using these ingenious methods. He lives in Michigan. Has
Name is Wally Wallington. Go to YouTube. Do yourself a favor.
I promise you when you watch some of these videos,
this will be some of the most amazing stuff you've
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ever seen in your life. Wally W A L L Y.
that's his first name, and the last name is Wallington,
W A L L I N G T O N.
Wally Wallington is a retired construction worker and uh, there's
no doubt that some of the stuff that he has
demonstrated here u has to be related to what people
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like Ed lead Skalnen did and uh, and of course
we're talking about these being great clues as to how these,
some of these megalithic structures, were created in the past.
Certainly doesn't explain all of them, not by a long shot,
but it still shows you how, uh, just fascinating it
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is when people, you know, they they really start putting
their minds and to solve these problems of how to
move huge things using, uh, actually making gravity work for
them instead of against them. That's the irony. Like we
think of anti gravity, but in some cases it's gravity. Uh,
that is as as making this possible. You see, taking
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like moving with it, almost in a judo type style.
So really, really cool stuff. Okay, so here's what I
was alluding to before the break, and I've been thinking
about how to explain this and let me let me
give it a shot because, okay, in the past we've
always talked about the idea of extraterrestrials, beings that came
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here from some other rock out there, and now, of course,
science has developed more, human thinking has developed more, and
we talked about other dimensions and portals and ultra not
just you know, extraterrestrial, ultra extra dimensional and alter demand
like we're we're reaching beyond and we're we're looking at
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the idea that there are realms that are possibly non
physical to us most of the time, but from those
realms occasionally physical things can pop and beings can visit.
And I was reminded of this in a striking but
very simple experience that I had a few days ago.
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I have a swimming pool at my house and I
was out there at night in the swimming pool and
I bought these inflatable balls. They're kind of like you
know inflatable beach balls. I got them on Amazon and
they have a little led light inside of them that
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is solar powered, and it's really cool because you just
let these things float around on your pool during the
day and then at night, when you know when the
sun goes down, they start glowing and so you have
these glowing balls floating around on top of your pool.
It's just for decoration. Uh, you wouldn't even want to
play with them really because you don't want to like
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joggle some circuit loose. Uh, and UH, they can change
colors and I mean it's really a neat thing. If
you've got a pool and you want to go out
at night, have have a little, uh, spectacle. So I
was sitting there in the pool and you know, I
actually I was, I guess the water was like it
about my almost my shoulders, and one of these glowing
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white beach balls came floating up towards me and I
just looked down and I saw that below it, you know,
it's on the surface of the water, right, but below it,
below the surface of the water, was this exact Hologram
of it. So it looked like a there was a
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three dimensional white ball underneath the water, and so I
reached out and of course I passed my hand through it,
just like it was. It was some Phantom and Lauren,
and of course Lauren was in the pool and I
was like check that out. How how weird is that?
Like if you didn't if you could only see, uh,
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what was below the water and not above the water?
From my point of view, you would see an object there,
but you try to interact with it and you can't
touch it. It looks like it's real, it looks like
there's a physical object there. It's three d but your
hand passes through it like it's a ghost. And I thought,
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you know, maybe this is another example of what these
multiple dimensions are like, that in some cases you have
like a dimension is almost like a different medium in
a way, almost like how we compare air to water,
too solid, you know, where you can see almost mirages
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of other things, but you can't always interact with them.
I mean like there is a physical ball on top
of the water, at least that is physical to me
as a human being on this plane. And so since
I can reach out and touch that thing, well, you know,
I can interact with it at that level and I
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can't pass my hand through it. But if I'm looking
at it on this other level, which is where, you
know it's below the water, I'm seeing a reflection of
it and now I can't interact with it, even though
it looks like it's physical to me. And so I
wonder how often that when we see ghostly things, we
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might be seeing kind of a Hologram in our own
dimension of something that is very tangible, but just outside
of that medium, in another dimension, it looks real. Uh,
it looks as solid and corporate real in some cases
as as anything else, and yet it doesn't interact with
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the environment. You see where I'm going with that. Now,
on the other hand, I could reach out and grab
that illuminated beach ball and shove it under the water
and then I can reach out now, boom boom, I
would interact with it. Now it has become interdimensional. It
has passed from this one medium into this other medium
and now I can touch it. But but it's tendency
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as not to be there. So if I release it
pal it's gonna pop back up to the other medium.
And this may be kind of like an example of
how that some of these interdimensional things can sometimes, under
the right conditions, appear in our physical realm. They can
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change states, whether they're forced to do it or they
choose to do it. They know how to do it.
We don't know what the variables are, but sometimes the
physical thing can actually come here and then disappear and
sometimes we only see kind of a holographic reflection of it.
And that just seemed to me like a pretty good
metaphor for, uh, for what maybe happening when we interact
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with these other beings from the other places and how
sometimes they come here and when they're here they're real,
they're physical, they do tangible things, but then when they
are when they're done, they just disappear. Where did they go?
Where is all the evidence? Where are the dead bodies? Well,
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you don't. Well, what do you think is? Is that
something that kind of helps you understand what maybe interdimensional
activity is and how these these visitors and beings can
either be seen from the other side or sometimes they
cross over and are encountered. You know, Halloween. I told
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you I'm recording this in September. Halloween is coming up.
That's when they say the veil fins and that that
separation between the physical and non physical, our world and
the spiritual world. Uh, it not only fins, but in
some cases it becomes almost non existent and you have
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more interactions. I've talked about that on this podcast before
and that's why I've just gotta tell you. I gotta
remind you now this is a wonderful, wonderful time to
take one of my ghost tours. I own the haunted
Asheville walking tour in Asheville, North Carolina, and we win
awards every year from trip advisor. We've been voted one
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of the top three ghost tours in America by readers
of USA Today. UH, just go look at the reviews.
If you'RE gonna be at Ashville, North Carolina, look up
haunted Ashville, haunted asheville dot com, and we talked about Oh,
the pink lady and Helen's bridge and you know, and
some you know, the murderers and like. You know, it's
a ghost tour. But if you're on the west coast, well,
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out here in Nevada, I have the haunted boulder city
ghost and UFO tour. It's they're both walking tours. This
one in Nevada. We gotta throw more ufo stuff in
there because we're pretty close to area fifty one and
uh and so there you'll learn about, you know, all
the guys who died building the Hoover Dam and their
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weird creatures and cryptids and all the ufo stuff. So look,
if you're gonna be in Asheville, go to haunted ASHEVILLE
DOT COM. Or if you're gonna be in Nevada, it's
about thirty minutes outside of Vegas. Go to haunted Boulder
City Dot Com. Come on out and see why that
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my friends, the clock has got us, so it is
time for us now to bring something positive into our lives.
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weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot
more on this edition of the program. How anti gravity
built the pyramids. You know, for almost twenty years I
have known nick redfern. He is a great friend uh
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the kind of guy who has slept on my couch,
you know, and is well. He was born in England
and he lives in Texas now and he is one
of the most talented researchers and writers in the world.
We've been on TV shows together, we've investigated in the
field together, we have spoken at live events together. As
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a matter of fact, Nick redfern was a part of
the x OPS TV show debacle uh, from Roswell, New Mexico,
that I talked about an episode ten of this podcast.
Now that is a story for you. The results of
that project are still locked away in a vault somewhere.
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If you don't know what I'm talking about, go back
and listen to episode ten of this strange things podcast. Um. So, yeah,
Nick and I we we've got some war stories and uh,
he has a new book out let just for the
heck of it. Let me start by reading you the
little blurb, the kind of bio blurb, on the back
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of the book. And this just scratches the surface of
his work. UH, the author of more than sixty books,
including the NASA conspiracies, the real men in black, bloodline
of the Gods and the Pyramids and the Pentagon. He
has been on many television shows, including travel channels in
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search of monsters, history channels unexplained, ancient aliens and Monster Quest,
sci fi channels, proof positive and the National Geographic Channels
Para natural. Nick is a regular guest on coast to
coast a m UH. Pretty much, if you're in this
field you know who nick redfern is and we all
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pay attention when he brings a new book out. And
his brand new book is called how anti gravity built
the pyramids. That's a catchy title, and then it says
the mysterious technology of ancient super structures. Now, I had
to think about how I was going to present this
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and I want to explain something about how I have
decided to produce this podcast. Uh, from the very beginning,
this is is my style. I want you to realize
that I uh, when I was a kid and I
decided to start getting involved in media, my thing was like,
I want to be a writer. You know, I consider
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myself first and foremost a writer. I have published over
twenty books myself, some with big publishers like Simon and Schuster,
and I actually still, to this day, consider myself primarily
a writer, even though I speak it now more than
I actually write it. It's this. It's the same process.
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It's putting words together and telling stories. And so when
I am looking at another writer's work, I view it
a little bit differently than somebody who just hosts a
podcast or a radio show or a TV show. You see, traditionally,
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when someone writes a book and then decides to go
out and promote that book, well then they say, okay,
I'm available for a certain period of time, and then
what you're supposed to do is bring that person onto
your show and then you interview that person about the
book and you have a big conversation about it and
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then maybe people can call it and ask questions. That's
how everybody does it. But I decided that I was
going to do things a little differently because, again, I
can look at this situation from a writer's point of
view and, uh, what I realized was that when a
writer is writing a book, that writer is in a
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completely different mindset than when that writer is giving an
off the cuff interview. Uh, it's not the same thing.
It's like, you know, it's to me like sometimes I
would take like two years to write a book and
I sit down and I just put a lot of
thought and effort into gathering the words and the concepts
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and assembling everything to present uh, the exactly as I
want it presented. Okay, and then after it's released, somebody says, well,
come on my show at six o'clock in the morning
and we're gonna, you know, talk about this for thirty
minutes and you get up in your groggy and and
you start talking about your book and it's like it's
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it's not. You're not capturing the real essence of what
you spent two years producing. It's two separate things. So
what I prefer to do in many cases is, instead
of interviewing the author of a new book, I will
contact that author and say, will you please give me
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permission to actually read some of your book on the show,
and everybody always says yes, that's wonderful, that's fantastic. They
can sleep late, they don't have to schedule an interview
and I get to also, I you know, I can
do this whenever I want. And but the best part
is you're actually getting a sample of the real product,
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not somebody talking about it. You're getting the real thing.
And I don't interview a lot of people on this podcast. Intentionally. Uh. Anyway,
for a number of reasons, I want to get into
all of those, but I feel like that, again, given
just my own background as an author and my own
personal experiences, you're going to get a better feel for
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what the author wanted to produce and put out there
in the world if if I just read you some
of it. So that is what I'm going to do
right now. I'm going to read you some of the
introduction here from Nick redfern's new book how anti gravity
built the pyramids. Here we go. Imagine, if you will,
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the following scenario before you. It's several millennia ago and
deep in the heart of what is now called the
Middle East, there are desert sands in every single direction.
The temperature is soaring and it's only getting hotter, and
the air is as dry as it could be. Suddenly,
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the sky above you begins to grow dark, ominously, to
be sure. Huge shadows appear here, there and everywhere. Those
same shadows slowly begin to envelope just about all and
everyone in sight. They even blot out the light of
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the sun itself. You know all too well from where
those massive shadows are coming. The skies you have seen
this happen time and time again, but on each and
every occasion you simply cannot fail to be completely awed, hypnotized,
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almost perhaps, by the incredible view that is above your head.
You look up and you squint. It's all you can
do in all directions. Countless huge stones, many of them
and excess of one thousand tons in weight, are slowly
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moving above the landscape that's right above like an unstoppable
army of determined giant ants devoted to their queen. The
armada of stones follow the paths of those who are
controlling them. You continue to stare as the stones finally
reach their location and then, bit by bit and with
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shockingly incredible preciseness, the stones are lowered, one by one,
all into place. Each massive block has been carefully molded
into perfect shape and is now becoming part of a
temple of absolute gigantic proportions. The process takes only a
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few days before it is repeated again and again. Neither
you nor any of your people have any real sure
ideas as to who the movers of the stone are.
And all of the time, and while the work is
going ahead, deep humming sound penetrates your body, causing it
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to slightly vibrate. Okay, I'm going to stop there for
a second as we take our first break. These see
what I mean. Like if if I got nick on
here and I said tell me about your book, you'd
be like, well, here I wrote a book about but
isn't it better to hear the way he has written
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this to help you actually envision what he's writing about?
And what do you think the secret is here? He
I mean that's that's a pretty bold title. How anti
gravity built the Pyramids? Well, what's HE gonna say? How
does he know? What could his explanation possibly be? Well,
when we come back, I'm gonna tell you. I'm not
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gonna leave you hanging. This is not just a tease.
I'm going to tell you exactly what he thinks is
going on. I'M NOT gonna Spoil his book. Don't worry
about that, nick, I'M NOT gonna spoil it, but I
will tell you what he's writing about. Didn't that good stuff?
All right, before we hit the break, another thing. I
I'm recording this in September. Next month is October and
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I have a little October. So prize I think I'm
gonna Spring on you, but I probably I am not
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Am Josh Swoope Warren and you are listening to strange
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things on the I heart radio and coast to coast.
Stay am paranormal podcast network, and I will be right
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heart radio and coast to coast. Am Paranormal podcast network.
I am your host, the wizard of Weird, Joshua Kei Warren.
Beat me into your wormhole brain from my studio and
in the city Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is
golden and every night is silver. Of course you can
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go to Amazon Dot Com and just look up the
name Nick Redfern, R E D F E R N,
or just look up the name of his book how
anti gravity built the pyramids, and he has a blog
spot here, nick redfern forten dot blog spot dot com.
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And of course, Fortien, named after the Great Charles Fort.
Charles Fort was an American writer. He lived from eighteen
seventy four until nineteen thirty two and he specialized in
documenting and writing about anomalous phenomena. So the terms Fort
Ian and forty ANA are often used to characterize these
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types of bizarre things, and he's always been a hero
of mine. Nick read fern obviously enjoys the work of
Charles Fort and I guess I should point out that
just recently I submitted a short film about o Ufos
that I produced years ago to the first fourteen film
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festival in England and UH guess what? It won the
Gold Award. Oh ufos, a new discovery. It won the
Gold Award for best documentary short at the fourteen film festival.
So how cool is that? Um goes to show how
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this concept of Fortiana just keeps popping up and tying
us all together. So, okay, let's get back to the
amazing story, shall we, from Nix's book, How anti gravity
built the pyramids. You have pondered long on who the WHO?
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These people, these people who come from the skies, are
a mighty race from a land far away from Earth, gods,
beings from another world in the sky. All you really
know is that one day they weren't there and then
one day they were there. Now, of course, let me
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remind you he's talking about the point of view of
ancient people. Okay, he says, one day they these things,
these beings, moving these stones. One day they weren't there
and all of a sudden they're there, and not only there,
but they're in massive, near worldwide proportions, and their arrival,
along with their increasing and growing presence, is changing the world,
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nodding the planet with huge stone enigmas that still have
yet to be beaten. When it comes to the mystery stakes,
and now they're even teaching you how to create such
structures for you and those of your villages, towns and cities.
Such as the ease of how the operations work. Indeed,
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it turns out that the entire process is amazingly simple
to put into place and far quicker than you thought
such a thing could be achieved. Eventually, though, the time
arrives when those who have all of the power to
raise the mighty stones and create massive buildings with amazing,
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awesome ease leave. There were rumors and tales of this incredible,
mysterious civilization having sculpted unimaginable landscapes and other lands and
nations overseas even two you never forgot them. How could
you welcome to the world of what I call the levitators? Today,
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all the is left of this enigmatic civilization and of
their sensational aerial skills are myths, legends and untold numbers
of massive blocks of stone that forever perplex and tantalize us.
How could such incredible technology have been created put into
action with such ease and speed? These questions were asked,
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and then they're asked then and they're still asked now,
and although we don't have the full story, we do
know that the key to moving immense blocks of stones
was nothing less than sound. Yes, really, the levitators mastered
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the technology of sound thousands of years ago. What they
called the technology back then? Well, we have no idea. Today, however,
it's known as Acoustic Levitation and, for all of our
science and technology, when it comes to it, we're still
very much in our infancy, trying to solve something that
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we simply cannot grasp, not to a significant degree at least.
Later we'll get to the deeper side of this amazing
science that, for centuries upon centuries, allowed so many incredible,
famous structures to be put into place, and so long ago.
For now, though, here's a perfect, concise description of acoustic
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levitation from Marie D Jones and Larry Flaxman, who have
themselves sought to solve the mystery of ancient anti gravity. Okay,
so here's a passage from Marie D Jones and Larry Flaxman,
the Jones flaxman team. Actually, we're not quite the passage yet. Okay,
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so here let me just start this over and say
the Jones Flaxman team present the phenomenon, as quote too,
opposing sound frequencies with interfering sound waves, thus creating a
resonant zone that allows the levitation to occur. Theoretically, to
move a levitating object, simply change or alter the two
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sound waves and tweak accordingly. End Quote. You may think
that is all very simple, too simple even in some ways.
It actually is, at least on a very small scale,
and that's the big problem for us today. The technology
allows us to successfully utilize it only on a tiny level. Somehow, though,
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the ancients were able to use acoustic levitation on almost
unbelievable size. For us, it's very much like not seeing
the forest for the trees. How stuff works says the following,
demonstrating that the science is now growing and adding to
the science of all of this. And now here's a passage.
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To understand how acoustic levitation works, you first need to
know a little about gravity, air and sound. First, gravity
is a force that causes objects to attract to one another.
The simplest way to understand gravity is through Isaac Newton's
law of Universal gravitation. This law states that every particle
in the universe attracts every other particle, and the more
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massive an object is, the more strongly it attracts other objects.
The closer objects are, the more strongly they attract each other.
An enormous object like the earth easily attracts objects that
are close to it, like apples hanging from trees. Scientists
haven't decided exactly what causes this attraction, but they believe
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it exists everywhere in the universe. And then he gets
gets back into his UH intro and he says, could
the construction of the world's biggest buildings really have been
achieved so incredibly easy and when we can't even barely
get off the starting blocks? For the LEVITATORS, at least,
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the answer is a decisive yes to both questions. As
for us, to a degree, we're still fumbling around in
the dark, or perhaps fumbling in the sand would be
a more appropriate phrase, taking into consideration that many of
the amazing sites that we will be visiting as this
amazing story grows and grows, for the most part, beliefs
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in the existence of these vanished, mighty ancient people who
cracked the secrets of nothing less than anti gravity are
largely scoffed at, ignored and dismissed by many even in
some aspects of the scientific community. We're talking about Millennia
old aspects of ancient, real world people similar to those
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described and the tales of mythical Atlantis and move or. Conversely,
we might be talking about honest to goodness X or terrestrials.
As we continue with our story, the origin of these
stonemasons of the absolutely incredible kind begin to clear. Did
these people, whatever their origins, finally leave our world behind,
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taking all of their incredible secrets with them? Were those
same secrets destroyed, leaving us with only fragments of a
science that was radically different to that of ours? Have
they periodically come back to share their secrets with a
few of us, or is everything lost to us? Do
we only have now myths and legends to work on?
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All of these questions will be addressed in the pages
of this book. To try to get the answers to
the enigmatic riddle, we need to travel much of the globe,
and that's exactly what we will be doing. We will
cross paths with the likes of Stonehenge, the massive stones
of Ball Beck and Lebanon, the Egyptian pyramids, Easter Island
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and numerous other creations that may, they well have been
erected in some of the most alternative ways that one
could possibly imagine. And then, having done that, we'll take
a handful of trips through the centuries and then, after
all of that, a final great leap to see how
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we today and the twenty first century are now slowly
starting to realize just why our civilization and our historians
have gotten so much massively wrong. Alrighty, time for another
short break and okay, when we come back I want
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to tell you some about my own personal experiments with
Acoustic Levitation and some of my ideas on how realistic
this is. Um and you know it's it's an amazing concept,
but those are amazing structures. So I think we've got
to have a pretty profound change in our thinking to
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grasp how that people who lived thousands of years ago
may been able to produce some of these things that
we say that we really can't even produce today. Boy,
that is a mystery, isn't it? I'm Joshua Pete Warren.
You're listening to strange things all on the I heart
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radio and coast to coast I am peer normal podcast network.
I will be back after these important messages. Welcome back
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to strange things on the I heart radio and coast
that coast. I am Pama, normal podcast network, I'm your host,
Joshua Pete Warren, and this is the show where the
unusual becomes usual. I want to read to you just
a little bit more from Nick redfern's new book how
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anti gravity built the pyramids, the mysterious technology of ancient superstructures.
And again, just go to Amazon and look up Nick
redfern and you'll you will find a whole rabbit hole
of material that nick has produced. Just a little bit more, though,
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there is no doubt that, when it comes to the
controversial issue of anti gravity and ways and means by
which it may have been spectacularly achieved thousands of years ago,
most researchers of this enigmatic phenomenon tend to head in
the direction of Egypt for the answers to the riddle
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that or in the direction of that bastion of data,
the Internet. You only have to look at the Pyramids
to see why the Pyramids of Giza still amaze people
after such a long period of time. Largely it's because
the mighty structures are so immense and so unmissable. On
top of that, they are so incredibly precise in their construction,
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and that's why we are beginning with Egypt and its
connections to anti gravity. It's the ultimate story to get
the whole thing going. You gotta Add this book to
your collection. Thank you, Nick Redfern, for allowing me to
read those passages to the audience. And, uh, you know
his stuff. It's talking about a page Turner and you know,
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it's kind of funny because when you think about it's
called how anti gravity built the Pyramids and he's saying
sound waves, we're we're working. I don't know it technically
that would be anti gravity because gravity is still it's
it's not like you're negating gravity. Gravity is still there,
but you're actually working within the constraints of gravity to
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still produce levitation. So I don't know, like I'm not
sure how a scientist would sit down and split hairs
on that, but you get the picture. You understand what
he's talking about and it is just mind boggling when
you try to think about some of these things that
have been moved by ancient people. I mean think about
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how long ago, like, uh, we'll think about what you
were doing ten years ago. Just take a second think
about what you were doing ten years ago and how
long ago that seems to you. Think of thousands of years.
I mean you really can't imagine what people were like
thousands of years ago. And we really don't even know
because we, you know, we have these little, you know,
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scattered writings that have been pieced together and mistranslated and
that's just a little tiny, you know, figment of of
what things were obviously like back then. Um, you know
one thing that nick talks about, you know, he mentioned
the ball back stones. That's spelled B A A L
B E K ball back. These are six massive blocks
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and Lebanon and if you look them up, uh, scholars
say that these are characterized by how do you like
this term? Megalithic gigantism, unparalleled in antiquity. Wow, megalithic gigantism somehow.
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I think I need to turn that into a t
shirt from myself. Some megalithic gigantism unparalleled. Uh, eight hundred tons.
Some people have claimed that some of these blocks are
even bigger, but they are. We're talking eight hundreds. Now,
you know, a ton like an American ton. I know
it's over two thousand pounds. Let's see. Let mean, how
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I'm gonna do that. How many tons is a pound?
If you were on who wants to be a millionaire,
would would you know the answer to that? Um or
listen to me. How many pounds is a ton? That
was kind of a spoonerism. Okay, well, it is. It's okay,
so it's two thousand pounds. Here in America one ton
is two thousand pounds. So you're talking about eight hundred tons.
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Oh my goodness, that's a lot. That's you know, that's
a big number. You can you can do your own
research if you want to figure out like what. You
can compare that to eight hundred tons. This is a
quarried stone. Um. How did they do that? You know,
was this thing moved or did it stay in place?
Nick thinks that it was moved. He goes, why would
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you just carve that and leave it there? You know,
I guess maybe you could. You would do it if
it was just too big and you're like, okay, maybe
we went too far with this one this time, guys.
And then, of course, you know, I've been to the
Coral Castle down there in Florida, were this little old
guy named Ed Lead Skalnon. Um. He of course, pretty
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much single handedly created this fortress made of these huge
blocks of coral and nobody knows exactly how he did it,
but he would he would hint and say like Oh,
I know the secrets of the Pyramids and I know
he used levers and pulleys and stuff like that. I mean,
you can see some of that stuff still there when
you go there, but I mean I don't know if
that alone can explain it. And I do know that, Um,
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there is this guy. I should have looked this up
before I did this podcast, but you probably know I'm
talking about. There's this guy years ago who made the news,
and I want to say he lived somewhere up north
here in the US, and he started studying all this
these laws of leverage and he was able to go
out by himself and moved some pretty Gargangel in blocks
around using simple, uh simple machines. Like I think at
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one point he had this gigantic concrete slab and Um,
he it was it was just, you know, lying there
on the ground and he took like a water hose
just started wetting the ground at one end of it
and making it kind of turn into mud. And so
as that happened, one end started to kind of synk
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down into the mud and then he would put some
blocks behind it and shure it up, and then he'd
keep spraying water there and it would, of course, he'd
get a little softer and muddier and then that it
would sink down a little bit more and he'd put
a block behind it and shut up, and he kept
doing this until this thing was standing upright. The Guy
did it all by himself by weakening the soil on
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one side of it as he was propping it up
with blocks, you know, like pieces of wood, on the
other side of so like there are some ingenious ways
out there, for sure that you can do some unbelievable
stuff as as just you know, well as an individual
in the right type of setting, well, with some simple
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tools to to move some big blocks around. And so
I do think that we maybe we overestimate, Um, you know,
some of the things that we some of these mysteries
that were so perplexed by it. But here's the thing about,
like what Nick saying with this acoustic levitation thing. All right,
so you know, I am infatuated with symantics. I think
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the most immediate gratification that I get in my life
is using symantics, where I can take sand or water
and I can play tones below it and just watch
these particles snap into all of these wild patterns. To me,
it's just I I can. I can do that all day,
every day, and I would never lose interest in this
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process because you're seeing the relationship between frequencies and vibrations
and physical matter, and every time I see a pattern emerge,
it's to me it's like actually watching magic manifest right
before my eyes and it's so fulfilling, and that is
why I took that and turned it into this field
of study I created called Parasymatics, where I would take
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these cymatic patterns and then interject meaning into them to
create sigils and symbols, or do the opposite, which is
parasymatics two point Oh, where I take sigils and symbols
and I kind of reverse the process and I get
sounds from them. So, uh, this is a big part
of what I do and, as a matter of fact,
next year I planned to announce a brand new division
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of my company that is going to be specializing in
a whole new line of revelue snary parasigmatics experiments at
products and I'm really excited. I've been working on this
for a long time. But the reason I bring this
up is in my lab where I do para semantics experiments,
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I have performed acoustic levitation and Um, basically, you know,
I I even shot a video of it, which I'll
release at some point, but you can find this kind
of thing pretty easily if you just get on the
Internet and click around. Well, we're talking about essentially, as
you take two speakers, uh, one that is mounted above
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the other, and they are playing tones uh and toward
each other, and they're tuned so that there is this
zone in the middle, uh, like Marie d Jones and
Larry Flaxman we're talking about. There's this zone there, UM,
that holds itself as a steady, independent area, and you
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can take something like a little piece of Styrofoam and
put it in there and it just boom, it hits
that spot and it just sits there and floats, using
nothing other than sound waves, uh, and it's it's a
lot like the levitation that you've seen with magnets or
it even kind of reminds me of that effect when
you take like a beach ball and, uh, you let
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it hover over top of a fan. You know that's
always a fun looking effect. But in this case you
know you're using sound to vibrate the air and and
create this pocket where things can levitate. And so what
I've done right here on a very small budget in
my own workshop is exactly what Nick is talking about,
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except we're talking about Dylan. Instead of a piece of Styrofoam,
we're talking about a huge granite boulder or something like that. So, yeah,
that's quite a leap from here to there or there
to hair. But on the other hand, the concept is sound.
No Pun intended there. I mean it could, it could
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be done, I guess, if you hit the right notes,
and he gets into that in the book. So I
started thinking about like, all right, why, if we can
do this on a small scale and ancient people could
do it on a big scale, so well, why are
we struggling right now with reproducing that? And then I
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started thinking more about like extraterrestrials and then ultra terrestrials
and then enter dimensionals, and I had an experience that
I want to share with you soon when we come
back from this break. I guess that's a good time right.
I had an experience I want to share with you
along those lines. To explain this. You're listening to strange
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things on the I heart radio end coast to coast
am Parin normal podcast network. I'll be right back and
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welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
strange things on the I heart radio and coast to
coast I am paranormal podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua
P Warren, and during the break I looked it up
and okay, the guy you need to take a look
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at here who can move all of these stones by
himself using these ingenious methods. He lives in Michigan. Has
Name is Wally Wallington. Go to YouTube. Do yourself a favor.
I promise you when you watch some of these videos,
this will be some of the most amazing stuff you've
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ever seen in your life. Wally W A L L Y.
that's his first name, and the last name is Wallington,
W A L L I N G T O N.
Wally Wallington is a retired construction worker and uh, there's
no doubt that some of the stuff that he has
demonstrated here u has to be related to what people
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like Ed lead Skalnen did and uh, and of course
we're talking about these being great clues as to how these,
some of these megalithic structures, were created in the past.
Certainly doesn't explain all of them, not by a long shot,
but it still shows you how, uh, just fascinating it
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is when people, you know, they they really start putting
their minds and to solve these problems of how to
move huge things using, uh, actually making gravity work for
them instead of against them. That's the irony. Like we
think of anti gravity, but in some cases it's gravity. Uh,
that is as as making this possible. You see, taking
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like moving with it, almost in a judo type style.
So really, really cool stuff. Okay, so here's what I
was alluding to before the break, and I've been thinking
about how to explain this and let me let me
give it a shot because, okay, in the past we've
always talked about the idea of extraterrestrials, beings that came
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here from some other rock out there, and now, of course,
science has developed more, human thinking has developed more, and
we talked about other dimensions and portals and ultra not
just you know, extraterrestrial, ultra extra dimensional and alter demand
like we're we're reaching beyond and we're we're looking at
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the idea that there are realms that are possibly non
physical to us most of the time, but from those
realms occasionally physical things can pop and beings can visit.
And I was reminded of this in a striking but
very simple experience that I had a few days ago.
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I have a swimming pool at my house and I
was out there at night in the swimming pool and
I bought these inflatable balls. They're kind of like you
know inflatable beach balls. I got them on Amazon and
they have a little led light inside of them that
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is solar powered, and it's really cool because you just
let these things float around on your pool during the
day and then at night, when you know when the
sun goes down, they start glowing and so you have
these glowing balls floating around on top of your pool.
It's just for decoration. Uh, you wouldn't even want to
play with them really because you don't want to like
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joggle some circuit loose. Uh, and UH, they can change
colors and I mean it's really a neat thing. If
you've got a pool and you want to go out
at night, have have a little, uh, spectacle. So I
was sitting there in the pool and you know, I
actually I was, I guess the water was like it
about my almost my shoulders, and one of these glowing
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white beach balls came floating up towards me and I
just looked down and I saw that below it, you know,
it's on the surface of the water, right, but below it,
below the surface of the water, was this exact Hologram
of it. So it looked like a there was a
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three dimensional white ball underneath the water, and so I
reached out and of course I passed my hand through it,
just like it was. It was some Phantom and Lauren,
and of course Lauren was in the pool and I
was like check that out. How how weird is that?
Like if you didn't if you could only see, uh,
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what was below the water and not above the water?
From my point of view, you would see an object there,
but you try to interact with it and you can't
touch it. It looks like it's real, it looks like
there's a physical object there. It's three d but your
hand passes through it like it's a ghost. And I thought,
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you know, maybe this is another example of what these
multiple dimensions are like, that in some cases you have
like a dimension is almost like a different medium in
a way, almost like how we compare air to water,
too solid, you know, where you can see almost mirages
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of other things, but you can't always interact with them.
I mean like there is a physical ball on top
of the water, at least that is physical to me
as a human being on this plane. And so since
I can reach out and touch that thing, well, you know,
I can interact with it at that level and I
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can't pass my hand through it. But if I'm looking
at it on this other level, which is where, you
know it's below the water, I'm seeing a reflection of
it and now I can't interact with it, even though
it looks like it's physical to me. And so I
wonder how often that when we see ghostly things, we
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might be seeing kind of a Hologram in our own
dimension of something that is very tangible, but just outside
of that medium, in another dimension, it looks real. Uh,
it looks as solid and corporate real in some cases
as as anything else, and yet it doesn't interact with
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the environment. You see where I'm going with that. Now,
on the other hand, I could reach out and grab
that illuminated beach ball and shove it under the water
and then I can reach out now, boom boom, I
would interact with it. Now it has become interdimensional. It
has passed from this one medium into this other medium
and now I can touch it. But but it's tendency
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as not to be there. So if I release it
pal it's gonna pop back up to the other medium.
And this may be kind of like an example of
how that some of these interdimensional things can sometimes, under
the right conditions, appear in our physical realm. They can
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change states, whether they're forced to do it or they
choose to do it. They know how to do it.
We don't know what the variables are, but sometimes the
physical thing can actually come here and then disappear and
sometimes we only see kind of a holographic reflection of it.
And that just seemed to me like a pretty good
metaphor for, uh, for what maybe happening when we interact
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with these other beings from the other places and how
sometimes they come here and when they're here they're real,
they're physical, they do tangible things, but then when they
are when they're done, they just disappear. Where did they go?
Where is all the evidence? Where are the dead bodies? Well,
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you don't. Well, what do you think is? Is that
something that kind of helps you understand what maybe interdimensional
activity is and how these these visitors and beings can
either be seen from the other side or sometimes they
cross over and are encountered. You know, Halloween. I told
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you I'm recording this in September. Halloween is coming up.
That's when they say the veil fins and that that
separation between the physical and non physical, our world and
the spiritual world. Uh, it not only fins, but in
some cases it becomes almost non existent and you have
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more interactions. I've talked about that on this podcast before
and that's why I've just gotta tell you. I gotta
remind you now this is a wonderful, wonderful time to
take one of my ghost tours. I own the haunted
Asheville walking tour in Asheville, North Carolina, and we win
awards every year from trip advisor. We've been voted one
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of the top three ghost tours in America by readers
of USA Today. UH, just go look at the reviews.
If you'RE gonna be at Ashville, North Carolina, look up
haunted Ashville, haunted asheville dot com, and we talked about Oh,
the pink lady and Helen's bridge and you know, and
some you know, the murderers and like. You know, it's
a ghost tour. But if you're on the west coast, well,
(48:02):
out here in Nevada, I have the haunted boulder city
ghost and UFO tour. It's they're both walking tours. This
one in Nevada. We gotta throw more ufo stuff in
there because we're pretty close to area fifty one and
uh and so there you'll learn about, you know, all
the guys who died building the Hoover Dam and their
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ghosts and the mobsters, but also like a lot of
weird creatures and cryptids and all the ufo stuff. So look,
if you're gonna be in Asheville, go to haunted ASHEVILLE
DOT COM. Or if you're gonna be in Nevada, it's
about thirty minutes outside of Vegas. Go to haunted Boulder
City Dot Com. Come on out and see why that
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I created these things and just read the reviews. All right,
my friends, the clock has got us, so it is
time for us now to bring something positive into our lives.
Shall we take a deep breath? If you can close
your eyes, let's listen together to the good fortune town.
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