Episode 132: Dangerous Supernatural Games & BIGFOOT Teeth!

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I am Joshua B. Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more on this edition of the show. Dangerous supernatural
games and bigfoot teeth. Yeah, two strange topics for you

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on this show. At least two and when it comes
to supernatural games, most of us have have heard of
things like Bloody or light as a feather, But I
recently came across some more weird games that I'd never
heard of before, like the Answer Man or the Elevator Game.

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Have you heard of those? Well, I'm going to tell
you about them and why that some of them have
sort of caught on with certain daring people. But I
think I want to start with the Bigfoot thing. However,
of course, if you've listened to this show for a while,

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you probably have heard me talk occasionally about cryptids. But
if you're new to that term, a cryptid is an
animal that may or may not exist, okay, which is
related to crypto zoology, and so the classic examples most
people think of as a cryptid would be, of course,
like Bigfoot or the lock Nest monster. Then we have

(02:55):
super bizarro creatures which could also be called cryptids, like
Mothman or the chupacabra. The Then we also have cryptids,
which actually, as it turns out, end up being real creatures.
They move from cryptozoology into the realm of zoology once

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scientists give the creature the stamp of approval. I guess
a good example of this would be the mountain gorilla.
It was not discovered by scientists until the nineteen hundreds.
That's amazing. And then in some cases we have these
creatures that were thought to be extinct and it turns

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out they are not extinct. One of the best examples,
of course, was I think in nineteen thirty eight, when
some fishermen caught a sela cath which was a fish
that had supposedly been extinct for millions of years, and
this thing was, you know, swimming around fine and dandy.
So it's I've always thought it was just amazing to

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think about the fact that scientists did not acknowledge the
reality of dinosaurs in general until the eighteen hundreds. That's
not that long ago. I mean, these fossils have always
been around. I mean, I guess in some cultures they
would just say, look, we have an old dragon skull

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here or something. But finally, you know, one scientist in particular,
he said, look, this is real. This is a fossil
of some kind of well dinosaur means terrible lizard. And
he said, not only is this real that, as it
turns out, there are fossils everywhere. I mean, what an
eye opening revelation that I guess you could say that

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the idea of dinosaurs would have been cryptozoological, that dinosaurs
would have been cryptids up until that point. So you see,
there are a lot of different facets to what it
can be considered a cryptid now, as you also may
or may not know when it comes to many of
these things, like, for example, Bigfoot. I think that in

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most cases when people say I've seen a Bigfoot, that
they have encountered some kind of a mystical or metaphysical
or inter dimensional being. That's my opinion, just because I
think that if Bigfoot in most cases was a normal
biological organism running around out there, like the mountain gorilla was,

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then there would be much more physical evidence. That's just
my opinion, and that's really neither here nor there, because
I still have always been very interested in the idea
of cryptids. When I was a little kid, one of
the first books I read that got me hooked into
the world of the unknown was about like the Abominable Snowman,
and then of course I read all about the Patterson

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Bigfoot to encounters and the Locknest monsters. So I collect
all kinds of interesting things. As you probably recall, I
even had a museum at one point, and I guess
I still do have a museum. It's just in storage
right now, but I'm putting some things back on display.

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But I have got some fossils. I'm not a huge
fossil collector, but last year I made a contact in
another country. I don't want to tell you exactly all
the details yet surrounding who this guy is, but he
is one of the biggest fossil collectors and dealers that

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I'm aware of in the entire world. And he was
he was presenting some stuff from his collection that was
for sale, and he had some plasius sore teeth, And
instantly my eyes lit up because a lot of people

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have said that if the Locknest Monster is a creature,
then it might be a pliciosaur that did not go extinct. Now, pliciosaurs,
like if you think of what the Lucknest Monster supposedly
looks like, you know, like a creature that's got a
big hump and flippers or fins and a big long neck. Uh.

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I mean, that's what Pliceosaurus look like. And I think
that to be technically accurate. That there are. There's a pliciosaur,
and then then there was a type called a pliciosaurus,
which was a branch of pliciosaur. But but anyway, as
I said, dinosaur means terrible lizard, and pliciosaur actually means uh,

(07:49):
I think it means like seems like a lizard. Okay,
close to lizard. That's that means. Because a pliciosaur is
not technically a dinosaur. And I'm just going to call
them pliceosaurs, but I guess you'd call them pliceosaurus a
plesiosaur is or it was an ancient aquatic reptile, all right,

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And I'm looking right now at the Wikipedia page, and
they say distinguishable by its small head, long and slender neck,
broad turtle like body, short tail, two pairs of large
elongated paddles. And so if it is indeed possible that
these did not go extinct millions of years ago, I
think they say that they supposedly went extinct like sixty

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six million years ago. If they did not, and there
are still some that are trapped in this body of
water we know as lockness, then that could certainly be
a possible explanation for these Lockness monster sightings. Now, whether
or not that's the case, in my mind, there has
always been this strong association between pliceosaurs and the lock

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nest monster. And so when this guy says, look, I
got some plicius or teeth, I thought, well, I've gotta
buy those. That's just one of the coolest fossils you
could have, right, And so I bought some plicias or teeth,
and right off the bat, I thought this would make
a cool necklace. So I went to my workshop and

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I sat down and started talking to Lauren about different ideas,
and we figured out a way to turn one of
these plesios or teeth, which just it looks really cool.
It's like a it's like a big, long, sharp, kind
of tan colored faning is what it kind of looks like,
like a curved fang because they had these mean teeth.

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If you if you see pictures of this, you'll you'll
understand what I'm what I'm saying, you would not want
to get trapped in the jaws of a plesiosaur. But
it's just a really cool looking necklace. And then I thought,
you know what if I made myself a necklace that
also has some kind of a tooth from a Gigantipithecus,

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because a lot of people believe that Bigfoot might actually
be this creature called Gigantipithecus, which was the largest ape
that ever lived, and that it did not go extinct.
So you see the connection. The two probably most famous

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cryptids are Bigfoot in the lock Ness Monster, and the
two actual ancient extinct creatures associated with those were the
plesiosaur and the Gigantipithecus. And so I thought, I want
to get a Gigantipithecus tooth, and that way I have
this really cool necklace that's got, you know, these teeth

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from these extinct creatures that may be related to these
famous cryptids. Because Gigantipithecus, I believe it went and extinct,
they claim about three hundred and fifty thousand years ago,
and it lived primarily in Asia. Of course, some people
think that it may have crossed over into North America

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just like people did over like a land bridge over
the Bearing Straight or something like that. Well regardless, yeah,
it supposedly went extinct three hundred and fifty thousand years ago,
and then it was another one of these things I believe.
In like the nineteen thirties, there was this scientist who
was in Asia and I think he was in China actually,

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and he went into an apothecary shop where they would
sell old bones that people would use for different types
of treatments, you know, sometimes they grind them up and
drink them, and they were selling these teeth, and he said,
what the heck are these? And it turns out they
were calling them dragon teeth, but they were gigantipentthicus teeth,

(11:58):
and he made this monumental discovery. When we come back
from this break, I'll tell you how this applies to
my project and one of the things that I've been
up to lately, and then later we'll get to dangerous
supernatural games. As you probably know, if you want to

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Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
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Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my
studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day
is golden and every night is silver. Ah giatato zoom.

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May you know what? Recently, Lauren and I were walking
through a casino here in Las Vegas, and, as often happens,
we walked past a woman who was wearing very little clothes,

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and Lauren and I looked at each other and I said,
Augia tato zoo ma, And now don't worry. Lauren is
not the type of woman who gets jealous over things
like that. Trust me. There are plenty of magic mics
running around Las Vegas as well. Uh, but we laughed,

(14:55):
and I realized, hmm, maybe my magical word can be
used in a variety of other scenarios. I wonder just
how useful that word is going to end up being.
You can try that out yourself, perhaps. Okay, So Gigantipithecus

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largest ape that ever lived ten feet tall? Amazing, amazing,
And did they say that its closest living relative today
would be orangutans. And Gigantipithecus went extinct because of climate change,
and supposedly they some of the best remains that they

(15:38):
found have been in caves in Asia, and it's certainly
likely that they lived in caves. But they say that
one thing that they know for sure is that porcupines
would have dragged their bones into those caves as well,
because apparently porcupines do not eat meat, eat I mean,

(16:01):
they eat insects and stuff like that, but they love bones.
They sharpen their teeth on them, and they also can
get some nutrients like salt and calcium from them. So
porcupines gnall on and eat bones. You learn something new
every day. But that said, still, it turns out very

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few Gigantipithecus fossils have been found. Very few especially good
ones and so, and who knows how many of them
may have been destroyed by some of these practices. I
was telling you about, you know, selling them an apothecary
shops and stuff before people knew what they were. But

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my understanding is that good fossils are so rare there's
only one big repository for them, and that's in Europe.
I think it might be in Germany. And so you
cannot just go out there and buy a gigantipithic tooth.
I mean, it's probably technically impossible to do that. There

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were lots of plesiosaurs. You can buy a pliciasaur tooth,
but I don't. I mean, I probably the only way
you get a Gigantopithecus tooth, unless you found one yourself,
was is to be part of, you know, a university
or something and you're trying to study it, or maybe
a museum. So here I am with my necklace, with

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my Plsia sort tooth, and but then I thought, well,
I'd sure love to have a Gigantipithecus tooth here, even
though I can't get one. So here's what I did.
I started studying these fossils because there are some reproductions
of jawbones and stuff out there. I obtained some of these.

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There are some like scans and three D pictures and
stuff like that that you can look at. And so,
long story short, my wife, Lauren is she's very talented
when it comes to all kinds of arts and crafts,
and she loves to sculpt things. And so we worked
together and we studied these fossils and she ended up

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sculpting what we believe is an exact replica of a
Gigantipithecus tooth. It's huge, it looks amazing. And then I
contacted the best three D printing experts in all of
Las Vegas. I'm going to give you their website address

(18:29):
just in case you are in the Vegas area. It's
called Vegas three D Printing. Their website is Vegas the
number three and then the letters d P as in
Vegas three D Printing, So Vegas, Vegas number three DP
dot com. And I saw went over there and talked

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to the manager. They did a professional scan of this
Gigantipithecus tooth sculpture. They sent it to their cat artists
and they were able to put a hole that went
through it just the right dimensions that I needed, and
then they produced a small batch of these with their

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best three D printers, and I went and I met
with the owner of the place and he brought out
this box and I was like, oh, this is so cool.
I'm the only person in the world who has got
these actual replicas, like genuine two scale replicas of Gigantipithecus teeth.

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And so then of course I added it onto my
necklace with some wooden beads and it's just like, it's
such a cool necklace. So if you go to bigfoottooth
dot com right now, bigfoottooth dot com, it depends on

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when you are hearing this podcast, which is why I
always say subscribe to my e newsletter. But if you
go to bigfootooth dot com, I may have one of
those two versions available right now. If you want to
get one. It's more likely that I'll have one that's
got the Bigfoot tooth on it. It's less likely I'll

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have the one that has the Bigfoot tooth and the
Plicia sore tooth, because you know, even though you can
get Plicias sore teeth, I get the best of the best,
and you know I have to wait for them to
be found, and they come from another country, and I
just can't, you know, go out in my backyard and

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pick a plisisor tooth off the tree. So at Bigfoottooth
dot com, you'll see this video that I did where
I'm talking about this process and I'm showing It's like
a short video, it's only ninety seconds. And so I've
got this Bigfoot Tooth necklace, and then for a limited time,

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I perhaps will also have the one that has the
plicias or tooth and I call that the master Cryptid
Hunter necklace because that's a one hundred percent genuine fossil
plicius or tooth on that. So there's your your your
representation of both, you know, the perhaps the ancestors or
the inspiration for the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot. Now here

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is what I believe. I think that if you wear
these that it will attract cryptids. So if you're a
cryptid hunter, if you're serious, then you've got to You've
got to get one of these, because I believe these
shapes act as antennas for that energy. I don't have
time to get into all the big you know, theories

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behind the metaphysics of why. I believe that. But I
also think if you are literally trying to go out
there and have these experiences, that you could take one
of these teeth, or take this necklace and put it
at least for a little while on a wishing machine
or a similar manifestation device and enhance your chances of

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having one of these encounters. I believe that. But you
know what, even if you don't want to have these encounters,
it's just a really amazing and truly unique conversation piece
which is exclusively available from me. And I'll actually, you
know what, in the future, I may even allow some
vendors to have exclusive access to sell these at particular

(22:32):
bigfoot festivals around the country. So if you're interested in
being put on the application list to maybe be a
vendor who has the exclusive rights to one of these
at a festival, just email me at contact at Joshuapwarren
dot com. Contact at Joshuapwarren dot com. Let me know

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what you have in mind, and you know, we'll see
in the future. That'll be down the road. But I
can just imagine everyone at a bigfoot festival wearing one
of these, can't you. It just makes sense, So go
there at a bigfootooth dot com. And even if you
don't plan on getting one of these or and again
I may not even have one in stock, go ahead

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and take a look at the video and see how
interesting this is. All right, that is what I wanted
to tell you about the Bigfoot teeth. Now let's move
on to topic number two, shall we? Dangerous supernatural games. Now.

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I mentioned a little bit ago that most people have
heard of this game, for example, like Bloody Mary or
Light as a Feather, Stiff as a Board. I'm gonna
actually get into those for a minute, because there is
some interesting stuff I didn't know about those. But not
too long ago, I was at this oddity shot in
Las Vegas and they had a book section. And to

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be honest with you, these days, I guess I'm kind
of like everybody else. I don't even buy that many
books when I'm out somewhere unless it's like a rare
regional book. If I can get on Amazon, you know,
I'll just order it and it'll pop up the next
day usually. But I found this book that I went
ahead and bought. It's a small, black hardback book. It's

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called Dangerous Games to Play in the Dark. A guide
to summoning spirits, divining the future, and invoking the supernatural.
And it is written by someone named Lucia Peters, and
on the back of it it says, do not try

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this at home. Well, I guess it's time for a break,
isn't it. When we come back, I'm going to I'm
not saying you should try these at home, okay, but
I'm going to tell you some about these, some of
the ones that stand out in my mind. And if
you do try some of these, well, I'd like to

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know about it. I swear I'm not a mischief maker.
This is this is for educational and entertainment purposes only.
I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network,
and I will be back after these important messages. Welcome

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back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren,
And this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Yeah.
I got this book called Dangerous Games to Play in
the Dark by Lucia Peters, says on the Beck. While

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these games might seem like simple dares or tests of bravery,
chanting in front of a mirror, writing an elevator alone,
taking pictures in the dark, you may be joined by
unexpected playmates. They may promise other worldly knowledge or contact
with the other side. But nothing is without costs. If

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you choose to ignore this advice and play the games
in this book, just remember what you summon. May not
want the game to end. And there are about looks
like I haven't counted, maybe like a couple dozen games
in here. I have not contacted the author of this

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book for permission to read from it, so I will
not do that. The author should be happy for the
little plug the author is getting. But nonetheless, what I
can tell you is that the author didn't just make
up these games out of the blue, because you're able
to also go online and find people talking about playing
these games, which is really interesting. So I got the

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inspiration for this from that book. But okay, let's start
with one that everybody knows, Bloody Mary. Bloody Mary is
a legend of a ghost, phantom, or spirit conjured to
reveal the future. So it says here online she began. Okay,
she is said to appear in a mirror when her

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name is chanted repeatedly. The Bloody Mary apparition may be
benign or or malevolent, depending on historic variations. So I
remember as a kid, you know, the whole thing was like,
you'd stand in front of a mirror with maybe a
dim light, and you'd say Bloody Mary three times, and
then supposedly she would appear. Of course, she never did.

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This is interesting though, because it does remind you of
these ancient stories regarding the psychomanteum, so there must be
a connection, it says here. Historically, the divination ritual encouraged
young women to walk up a flight of stairs backward,
holding a candle and a hand mirror in a darkened house.

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As they gazed into the mirror, they were supposed to
be able to catch a view of their future husband's face.
There was, however, a chance they would see a skull
or the face of the grim reaper instead, indicating they
were going to die before they would have the chance
to marry. It sounds creepy, doesn't it, And the ritual

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today Bloody Mary allegedly appears to individuals or groups who
ritualistically invoked her invoked her name in an act of
Now here's a word that was new to me, m
an act of catop dramancy. Catop dramancy. Have you ever
heard of that one? I had to look it up

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here it is. It's pretty simple. It says it is
divination using a mirror. Now see, I would have just
thought of that as scrying or something like that, where
a fortune teller looks into a reflective surface or substance
and tries to see the future, like Nostradamus. But this
is apparently a little a bit different. It says here,

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according to the ancient Greek, before the temple of Sarahs
at Patrus, there was a fountain separated from the temple
by a wall, and there was an oracle very truthful,
not for all events, but only for the sick. The
sick person let down a mirror suspended by a thread

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till its base touched the surface of the water, having
first prayed to the goddess and offered incense, and then
looking into the mirror, he saw the presage of death
or recovery, according as the face appeared fresh and healthy,
or of a ghastly aspect. All right, So there's a
new word for you. Catoptromancy is a form also of

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just looking into a mirror, and so you know, for
Bloody Mary, they say. The explanation here is that staring
into a mirror in a dimly lit room for a
prolonged period can cause one to hallucinate, basically, is what
they're saying. All right, fine, well, how about this one.

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Light as a feathers as a board. Most people know this.
I think it was even in a movie prominently featured
with I know you're all screaming the name at me
right now. I can't remember. It came out a long
time ago with some young ladies who are trying to
be witches. But anyway, Light is a feather stiff as
a board is a game played by children at slumber parties.

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The phrase has also of the craft. That's what I
do that too much on this show. I can't think
of something immediately and then it'll pop it into my
head later, which is why I love to play Jeopardy.
But I definitely loved the pause button on my remote. Okay,
Light as a feather stiff as a board is a
game played by children at slumber parties. The phrase has

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also become established in popular culture as a reference to
a levitation trick. Okay, And they also say this is
known as abnormal lift. So here's the idea. One participant
lies flat on the floor facing upwards. The other space
themselves around that person, each placing one or two fingertips
underneath the participant's limbs. The person closest to the head

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commonly begins by saying something like she's looking ill, which
is repeated several times, and followed by she's looking worse,
which is also repeated. The general direction of the call
and repeat describes how the person is looking worse and worse,
followed by saying she is dying, and finally she is dead,

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and you know, there are different variations, but they say,
you know, the person has to imagine that you know
that he or she has died, and now the body
should be lighter than it was before. And then they
end by everybody chanting light as a feather, stiff as

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a board as they attempt to lift their companion's body
using only their fingertips, and it seems like that the
person is, you know, almost weightless. They say, you can
explain this because the key to the trick is timing.
Each of the lifters must apply the lifting force at

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the same moment. When this is done, the weight of
the subject is divided equally between each lifter. So they say, say,
if you try to do this without synchronizing the lift,
it will fill. All right, this is you know, this
is what they're claiming. And they say, the history of
this is pretty remarkable. That there was a diary of
a guy who lived in the sixteen hundreds. He was

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a naval administrator who wrote about seeing some little girls
all playing this game back then. So again, you probably
heard of those, but have you heard of this one
called the answer Man? This was a new one for me.
The answer Man is an urban legend about a game
that is played by kids in Japan, and they say

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the game can invoke an evil spe that will answer
any question put to it. So here's how you supposedly
play this game. And this shows you how modern this
is because you need ten people with ten mobile phones.
And this version is coming from a website called scaryfourkids
dot com. How to disturb your kids psychologically? Okay, step

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it out again. Ten people with ten mobile phones. Step one.
Gather ten people in a loose circle. Each person must
have the number of the person to their left. Okay,
so whoever you end up sitting next to whoever is
on your left, you need to have that person's number

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on your phone. On the count of three, each person
presses the call button to call the person on the left,
and then next step. Here, everyone puts their phone to
their ear and listens. Because everyone is calling everyone else

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at the same time, all of the phones should be busy,
so nobody should receive an answer. However, what will happen
is that one person will find that their call is
mysteriously answered, and guess what they will hear a voice
on the other end of the line. This is the

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answer man. Nobody knows who the answer man is, all right,
the answer man exists somewhere out there then the nether ether.
When you are on the phone with the answer man,
you can ask him anything and he will answer whatever
question you put to him. However, after he gives you

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your answer, he will have a question for you. And
they say that if you answer his question incorrectly or
you are unable to give an answer, a large, gnarled
hand will appear from the phone and tear off a
piece of your body. Now, according to legend, the answer

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man is the ghost of a child who was born
severely deformed. He had no arms, legs, even torso just
ahead and ever since then his ghost has been trying
to become a complete human being by collecting the body
parts of others. You know, they say that Bloody Mary

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sometimes will appear and scratch your eyes out. So there's
always something bad that can happen if things go wrong here.
So the next time you have a party get your
ten friends together, may as well videotape it. You know,
have maybe have an eleventh person there who's not involved,

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to just record it and try this out and see
what happens and let me know. But one of the
more complex ones that also has perhaps an even spookier
connection is the Elevator game. And I say that because
there was a real young woman who played the Well,

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she ended up dead, Okay, let's put it that way.
And some people believe she ended up dead because that
she was playing the Elevator game all by herself. You
may have even seen a documentary about this woman's death
on Netflix. It happened at the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles.

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I'll tell you about it in a minute. I'm Joshua P. Warren,
you're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this

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edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
and I'm talking about the Elevator Game. Here is one
description from MagellanTV dot com. What is the Elevator game? Well,

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it purports to blur the lines of reality for players
if they follow the rules and don't make a potentially
fatal mistake. And then they say. There was one disturbing
case that has caught the attention of some people who
believe in this game. And before I tell you about
the game, this is true. The last known video of

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a woman named Elisa Lamb Alive showed her in an
elevator in the Cecil Hotel and days later her body
was found in the hotel's water tank. To this day,
nobody knows how she died or how her body got there. Now,
I learned about this by watching this Netflix documentary called

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crime Scene The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel. Cecil is
spelled Cecil. It is an old hotel that has just
a really violent, sordid history. I believe Richard Ramirez, the Nightstalker,
used to go and hang out there, and just a
super haunted, creepy hotel. And sure enough, this woman named

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Elisa Lamb. She was the daughter of Chinese immigrants and
she was born in Canada and she I think she
was pretty much like on a vacation by herself, and
she decided to stay at the Cecil hotel. And when
you watch the security footage from the elevator in the hallway,

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it's really unnerving and unsettling because this one night, this
was in twenty thirteen, she gets on this elevator by herself,
and she there's tons of footage of her clearly interacting
with invisible people. That's what it looks like, an invisible

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person or invisible people, and she's sometimes she peeks her
head out of the elevator and she's looking in the
hall like somebody's there, and then she'll she'll go back
and forth. And this does not look like some kind
of playful fun thing. It looks like that she is
freaking out, and it's it's very troubling to watch this
footage of her acting so erratically, and then she disappears,

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and then they found her I think it was like
a month later or whatever, inside this water tank on
the roof of the hotel. And throughout this whole period
of time there were people staying at the hotel who
were drinking, you know, this water of her body was in.
That's how they discovered her, because people were complaining about

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water pressure and all that. And nobody knows to this
day how she ended up in this water tank, this cistern.
They say it must have been some kind of accident,
but it's hard to understand how she got in there.
And in fact, there are people who point out the
similarity between what happened to her in this two thousand
and two horror movie called Dark Water. So that is

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something you might want to look into if you're into,
you know, unsettling mysteries. Again, Netflix crime scene, the vanishing
at the Cecil Hotel, and so there are people who
think that it's possible, it's possible that somehow she was
playing out this version of this urban legend called the

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Elevator game. Now this is kind of complex, so I'm
not going to go through all the details. But again
I'm getting this particular information from magelantv dot com and
it says that the popular okay, the popularity of the
elevator game has been you know, influenced by what happened

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to her. And there are many steps to playing and
surviving the game, and it is imperative that you follow
them precisely in the exact order. Okay, So you play
this usually by yourself. You have to to get on
an elevator in a building that has a minimum of
ten floors, so you would walk in alone. No outsider

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can enter the elevator with you, nor can you leave
at any point. If you do exit the elevator, you
must start over. Step two. You ride the elevator from
floor to floor in a specific sequence. So you go
first like up to the fourth floor, and then down
to the second floor, and then to the sixth floor
and down to the second floor again, and then up

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to the tenth floor and then down to the fifth floor.
And you must remember not to get off at any
of those floors when you finally get to the fifth floor.
If you encounter a mysterious woman, do not look at
her and do not answer or interact with her. In
any way. The consequences of engaging with her are said

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to include the possibility of never returning to the real world.
Step forward, now, you push the button to descend from
the fifth floor to the first floor, and that's where
things could get really crazy. If the elevator operates normally
and takes you to the first floor, you can exit

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immediately and do not look back or talk to anyone.
But if instead of taking you from the fifth to
the first floor, the elevator begins to go up, well, congratulations,
you are now being allowed into another world, an alternative reality.

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And if that happens, you might just freak out and
just press the emergency button and stop the elevator and
wait for the fire department to get you out of there. Otherwise,
you now are on your way to this other world
where all kinds of things might happen. Things may look different,
it might be dark and spooky, the power might be

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out and no one else will exist or be around.
You might just lose consciousness. And then there are these
steps for what you must do to get back into
the real world, specific steps that you have to follow
as well. And if you actually want to try this out,

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you can look this up on your own and I'm
not going to do it. I'm not going to try it,
but if you try it. If you try it, you
are welcome to contact me and tell me what happens
to you. And if it's interesting enough, who knows, I'm
sure I will include it on this show. So you know,

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I don't have time to go into more of these games.
But again, I have no connection to this book or
this author, but pretty interesting, dangerous games to play in
the dark. Play at your own risk. So here's what
I want to close the show with. There has been
a lot of talk lately about the threat of AI,

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artificial intelligence, and frankly, you know, people are so into
computers and what's happening on their smartphone and their tab
and everything that even you know, reading about these dangerous games,
it's kind of reassuring to me because it makes me think, like,
it's kind of nice that there are still people out there,
especially kids, who are just interacting and having social time

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and playing real, kind of old fashion games, some that
may even go back hundreds of years. That's kind of nice.
But as as we hear about the threat of AI,
and you know, you don't need me to give you
my opinion on that too much. You have people like
Elon Musk, who knows a lot more about it than
I do, talking about how this could get out of

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control and ultimately in a worst case scenario, it would
be kind of like the Terminator movies. The idea is
that this AI could reach a point where it is
so much smarter than humans that it finds a way
to survive without humans, and so it ultimately destroys humans.

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It kills off humans, if for no other reason, to
make sure that we don't try to kill it off,
you know, survival of the fittest. So the idea is
that we humans are the smartest creatures on the planet, supposedly,
and yet we have created something, now, this digital you know, devil,
that is smarter than we are by a long shot,

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and so now it's going to kill us off. Now,
whether or not that scenario plays out, and I can
see why that might happen, here's what it made me
think of it. I just want to toss this out
here real quick. What if whatever created humans encountered the
same thing whatever we considered God, you know, we're the

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Frankenstein monster, whoever Frankenstein was. What if we killed God
in the same way that AI will kill us. Is
there this cycle of the creation killing the creator because
the creator reaches a point where it creates something that's
so much better or superior in certain ways, or at

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least dangerous in certain ways, that the process reverses and
the creation kills the creator. I don't want to get
into this big conversation about who is God and what
is God? But I think you see what I'm saying.
Is it possible Everybody's like, where is God? God has
created us and abandoned us? Well, I don't think that's true,

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but it's interesting to think about this idea that maybe
that's how it works in some way, that God made
us and gave us too much power and we kind
of have killed God, at least symbolically in our own minds.
All right, let's forget that now, let's listen all together

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