Episode 239: Here’s Who Killed JFK

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Strange Thing, Josha.

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I am Joshua BE Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind loving content, news, exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more. On this edition of the show, Here's who
Killed JFK. This is a huge topic. I have tons

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of information. It's intimidating to dig into this. Hopefully I
can fit in everything that I want to say. And
before I dive right into it, let me just say
right up front, I, as you may or may not know,
am still just examining mountains of data from my recent

(02:00):
portal opening experiment in the desert using the device I
invented called the scionotron, And so in the near future
I will be I will be presenting the story of
what actually happened out there in the desert. It's just
taking me some time to put it together. In the meantime,
he would like to get some little glimpses. Go to

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the website for the project scionotron dot com. That's PSIO
in it t r N scionotron dot com and you'll
see some updates there occasionally. Another thing I want to
say right up front here is that I generally avoid

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talking about topics that I consider political on this show,
and by that I mean really getting into specific modern
day politicians, specific actions by parties, the current events, et cetera. However,
I do think it is perfectly appropriate on a show
like this for me to go back and talk about

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some things that were more politically charged in the past,
but actually have more to do with how governments work
and keep secrets from the people. And of course, when
it comes to President John F. Kennedy, there has been
tons of wild speculation as to who assassinated him, why

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he was assassinated, even going back to stories regarding him
threatening to expose secret societies and UFOs that maybe he
and his brother even had some pillow talk with Marilyn
Monroe and that's why all three of them ended up dead.
I mean, you hear all kinds of wild conspiracies. So

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I think that this topic is it applies to a
show called Strange Things, because I do have some information
that I think you may find insightful. I also say
that I realize people listen to this show all over
the world, and so if you don't have some basic
understanding of United States history during the nineteen forties, fifties,

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and sixties, then some of this may seem boring to you.
If that is the case, then I understand you might
want to skip this show because I don't have time
to dig into all the specific historical frameworks here. You
also probably know that one of my best friends was

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Jim Mars, and Jim Mars wrote a lot of great books.
His most famous was a book called Crossfire. The Plot
that Killed Kennedy and Oliver Stone based his epic movie
JFK in large part on Jim Mars's book Crossfire. Jim
grew up in the Dallas Fort Worth area. He was

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a crime reporter there at the time of the assassination.
Jim ended up becoming a profess of journalism. I knew
him well enough that he would crash at my house
when he was in North Carolina. I would crash at
his house in Texas. We did speaking engagements together, we
did TV shows together, and so I have a special

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degree of insight, perhaps on what may have happened to
John F. Kennedy because of my friendship with Jem Mars
in part. But that's not all I'm basing this ONNG
because I have also done an enormous amount of my
own independent research over the years. I've been to Dealey

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Plaza where Kennedy was assassinated numerous times. I visited the
Book Depository Museum. My wife is from Texas, and her
she had family members who worked in government and the
oil business and all that kind of stuff. So I
really am in kind of a special position to have

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maybe more insight than the average person on what happened there.
Of course, John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November twenty second,
nineteen sixty three, and he was the thirty sixth I'm sorry,
thirty fifth president of the United States, youngest one ever
elected into office, I believe, And here is here is

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in a nutshell how I think that we need to
view what happened. It really starts with President Eisenhower. Eisenhower
saying during his farewell address that we should be warned
about a military industrial complex that had formed in the

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United States primarily because of the deals made in World
War Two between the government and private weapons suppliers. He
meant by that was, you know, the government agencies are
supposed to be accountable to the people, but if you
if you contract with private companies, then they get protected

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by all these privacy laws and it's easier to keep
certain secrets, which at the time was considered perfectly acceptable
due to national security concerns. And when you think about
all of the money that is made from a war
like World War Two, I'm not just talking about manufacturers

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of weapons and airplanes and guns, and you know, producers
of oil. Many of those companies, by the way, were
based in Texas, many of them. But also we're talking
about more mundane things it takes to supply that food
and socks and cigarettes and chewing gum and you know,

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just all it's an incomprehensible network of of money that's
at stake when there is a war. And so it
was World War Two that really turned the United States
into a global superpower. And then of course after that
things became much more complex. Let me begin by telling

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you that John F. Kennedy had a man who was
a colonel named L. Fletcher Prouty, who served for He
served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint chiefs

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of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. L. L. Fletcher
Prouty last name spelled pro ou t Y. He was
born in nineteen seventeen. He died in two thousand and
one at age eighty four. The guy was born in
Massachusetts and he was a United States Air Force colonel.

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He retired from military service to become a bank executive,
and then after that he started going out and talking
a lot about what went wrong during those years. He
was a critic of US foreign policy, particularly the covert
activities of the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, which he

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believed was working on behalf of some Second World elite.
Proudy made some very interesting comments. Nobody doubts his credibility,
but proud he made some very interesting comments over the
years about his experience being in the military during the
time when John F. Kennedy was assassinated. By the way,

(09:50):
I have to excuse my voice a little bit. I'm
recording this in the springtime, and so I've got some
allergy issues. A lot of people have been asking me
what I think about this whole jfk assassination story, because
on March eighteenth of twenty twenty five, the National Archives

(10:13):
released over seventy seven thousand pages of documents related to
this assassination, and there was an enormous interest, of course,
but there were no major revelations. While some individuals hope
for revelations about conspiracies or multiple shooters, the documents largely

(10:33):
confirm the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. However,
the documents do offer new details about the CIA's intelligence
operations and the FBI's investigation, and so that who knows.
By the time you hear this, maybe some of the
stuff I'm talking about will sort of be outdated or

(10:56):
overshadowed by new news. But I kind of doubt it,
as I've had the opinion for a long time that
I'm going to share with you now, Fletcher Py. Colonel
Prouty was at the Pentagon in the nineteen sixties and
one day he said that a general called him into

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his office and told Prouty that Prouty needed to go
to Antarctica to work on some kind of a nuclear project.
And proud he said, well, that doesn't make any sense.
I don't know anything about the nuclear project. And the
general said, well, no, you're going, and sent him to Antarctica.

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This is the beginning of a very mysterious chain of events.
And when we come back from this brig, I'll tell
you what happened during Colonel Prouty's trip to Antarctica and back,
and this will start giving you insight perhaps into what
forces where it were to assassinate John F. Kennedy, and

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a Gietato zume So. Colonel Proudy says that he is
sort of well inexplicably set down to Antarctica, and he
said it didn't make any sense because when he got
down there, he really didn't have anything useful to contribute.

(15:26):
It was curious. Well, I'm not sure how long you
was down there, but he was traveling back from Antarctica
by way of New Zealand, and one morning he was
sitting in a cafe with a couple of associates and
they heard on the loud speaker that John F. Kennedy
had been assassinated, and of course everybody was shocked. He

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was able to get his hands on a New Zealand
newspaper pretty quickly, and he said that it was amazing
seeing how much information there was. There was a huge
spread in this newspaper. It was about Oswald with a
pick of Oswald standing there with his gun and his
manifesto and all the details about how Oswald had done this,

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and it just seemed like case closed. And he thought,
how did they get this much information this quickly about
this completely unexpected event, And right off the bat, he
said it reminded him of some of these intel operations
that he had witnessed during World War Two. And he

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even said that if you started looking at the time zones,
that it looked to him like this information in the
paper may have been printed in New Zealand before the
assassination even happened. This is what really sent a cold
chill down his spine. Then it was like this whole thing,

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this media campaign, was already prepared. And when he got
back to Washington, he quickly realized that he was not
the only military person who was given these wild assignments
out of the country during the period of the assassination.

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A lot of people in the military, especially those close
to John F. Kennedy and his administration, were sent on
what you might think of as fool's errands. They were
just like somebody was trying to get them out of
the picture during this period of time, and then he
started thinking about who had an interest in orchestrating such

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a thing and who had the power to cover up
exactly what had happened. And Colonel Prowdy said, in nineteen
forty five, before everybody knew about this top secret thing
called the atomic bomb, that they had been planning, the

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US military had been planning a gigantic ground invasion of
Japan because the Japanese emperor was saying, we're not going
to surrender. We're not going to surrender, and so, you know,
without knowing about a bomb, and maybe you know, and
I guess they weren't even sure the bomb was going
to work. They had already created these incredible contracts with

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all of these military suppliers, again many of them in
Texas are rooted financially in Texas, and they were ready
to go, and you know, they were going to make
a lot of money by invading Japan. And then all
of a sudden that wasn't necessary because the bomb was
dropped and so Japan surrendered, no need for all these

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weapons resources to be used, and so these contractors they said, way,
we got to we got to do something here in
order to utilize these weapons that we've created and get
paid for them. So they came up with a plan.

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They almost immediately in nineteen forty five started sending most
of those supplies to a country called Vietnam, and the
war there would begin. Oh it would take, you know,
around twenty years later for the war there to begin.
But it seemed like, according to Prouty, they were already
planning it around nineteen forty five forty six to do

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something with all these weapons. And because all these military
contractors were twiddling their thumbs saying, come on, when are
we going to move on this and when are we
going to get all the contracts fulfilled, they started working
their way toward it. With the Korean War, et cetera.
Proud He said, there was incredible pressure for us to
fulfill these contracts from the military industrial complex in one

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way or another. Many politicians were funded by these military contractors.
The communist threat was pushed really hard and escalated into
the Cold War, which was all about driving that war machine.
And because of John F. Kennedy's status as a war

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hero in World War Two, at first there was a
lot of confidence that John F. Kennedy would go along
with this plan and shift those resources over to Vietnam
so that they could invade there. And at first JFK
was kind of on board with this communist threat because

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of Cuba being so close to the United States and
Cuba was working with the Russians, and it seemed very
threatening that, you know, Vietnam's along long ways off, but
Cuba is right there off the coast of Florida. You
can't have that. And so when Kennedy decided that this

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thing called the Bay of Pigs invasion should take place,
big military operation to go in and help overthrow the
Cuban government, the contractors were happy. But that project became
a huge failure and everybody was surprised, and that kind
of killed a lot of the momentum that JFK had

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for pushing this agenda into defeating the communists in the
Vietnam region. And so JFK was not sold on escalating
things into this bigger war in Vietnam. And this became
a big, big problem for all of these inconceivably wealthy
people and companies that had all this money invested in

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going to war. And again, many of these military contractors
were in Texas, even the Warren Commission talked about there
being a conspiracy regarding Oswald being a communist sympathizer and
going to Russia and then getting involved with Cuba and
all that. So it's sort of like, you know, everybody
agrees there was some kind of a conspiracy here. The

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question is whose conspiracy do you believe. Nobody says Oswald
just woke up that morning and decided to go do
this spontaneously, So whose conspiracy do you want to believe? Now?
Around this time, it is now a matter of public
record that some agencies in our government were indeed working

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with mafia assassins in New York and Chicago to possibly
go after Castro. That was one thing that they had discussed.
So there was a relationship there. And I don't want
to point any direct fingers here and cast dispersions on
any particular age, but I think you can put some
pieces together yourself and look at the candidates. And there

(23:08):
are some people who believe that well, assassins who work
for the United States would have been brought in from
other countries, but that doesn't actually make sense because it's
better for you to utilize an assassin from your own country,
because when you do that you have a lot more
control and power over them if they go off the rails.
If you have some assassin from another country come here

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and do something to go back to his country and
start bragging about it at a bar, you might not
be able to do as much about it, much less
control over farmers. And so there was this there was
this code of silence obviously among the people in the
mafia La Cosa and Nostra, and it was so well known.

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I mean, Robert F. Kennedy, the President's brother, the Attorney General,
called it murder in corporate and of course he ended
up assassinated as well. So I think you see the
very clear motivation when there's this much money involved. So
let's say that's the most logical reason why that Kennedy

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had to go, because he and his brother really were
standing in the way of what would become this war
in Vietnam that we are all confused about to this day,
like why was it necessary to go do that? Now,
when you go to Dealey Plaza, it's very interesting because

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you can go up to the window that they say
that Oswald was at when he was shooting at Kennedy,
and the Warren Commission says that Oswald. He had this cheap, clumsy,
bolt action Italian rifle called a man Carkano. It jams easily,

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and somehow he was able to fire three shots between
five and eight seconds on this thing, and obviously with
incredible accuracy. When I was at jim Mars House, he
had one of these bolt action rifles, a man Liquer Carkano,
exactly like the one that was used to kill JFK.

(25:23):
And he let me shoot his. It wasn't live, it
wasn't live, but he was like, see if you could
operate this gun and knock off that many shots in
that period of time. I couldn't do it, and Lauren
couldn't do it, certainly, not accurately. One thing that's even
weirder is that when you're standing at that window and
you're looking at the root the president took, there are

(25:46):
a number of things that don't make sense. And when
we come back from this break, I'll tell you what
I mean by that. I bet there's something that you've
never heard before that I'm going to share with you.
And this is one of those things that really makes
you believe that efforts were taken to conceal the shots

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and the shooters, and I said shooters that day. I'm
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When you are looking out that window on the sixth

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floor of the Texas school Book depositortory, the one where
where Oswald they say, was stationed with his rifle. You're
looking kind of straight down this long street called Houston Street,
and so the president's motorcade was slowly, I mean somewhat slowly,

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rather slow, driving toward Oswald coming up Houston Street. So
the target would have been getting bigger and bigger and
bigger from Oswald's point of view. And yet that's not
when the shots happened. Once they got right outside the
school book Depository, Kennedy's car took a left down Elbe Street,

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which from Oswald's point of view was to the right.
And after that that meant his target was driving away
and getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And so only
then did he supposedly decide to start shooting. Why would
he do that? Well, you might say maybe he had

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cold feet and he just delayed for a bit. Okay, fine,
But you know what, when he was looking in that direction,
there were also tree branches that were hanging there, which
would have made it even more difficult for him to
achieve those shots. But here's the thing that blew my mind.
One time I was at Jim Marris House, and the
two of us were sitting in his study, and he

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had the kind of study that you would imagine, you know,
tons of books and files, and he said, I want
to show you something. So because that Jim was working
as as a crime reporter there in the Dallas Fort
Worth area, and Jim actually knew Jack Ruby. By the way,

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Jack Ruby, we'll get into him maybe a little bit
more later, but Jack Ruby was the guy who ended
up killing Oswald. And Jack Ruby knew a lot of
people in the area because he owned a strip club
and was into a lot of CD things and dark
backroom deals. And so Jim said, he said, I want

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to show you a picture. He showed me a picture,
and I'm not sure if it was one that he
took or one of his colleagues took. Right then, as
soon as they would, let reporters go to the window
where Oswald was, and there was this big, giant black
pipe running from the ceiling to the floor that blocked
about a third of that window, which would have made

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it almost impossible for Oswald to maneuver his rifle to
get that angle to hit Kennedy. And yet that pipe
is no longer there where did it go, Who removed it?
When was it removed? Apparently Oswald was involved. But when

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you actually walk down and you stand at the spot
in the road, I think there's an X or something
where Kennedy was shot, where he got the head shot.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
The logical place.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
It seems like that shot would have come from is
the Grassy Knoll. All right, so who did this?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
In the nineteen nineties, Jim Mahers interviewed a very interesting
fellow who was in prison named James Files. James Files
was born in nineteen forty two and he was serving
a fifty year prison sentence for the attempted murders of

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two police officers, and Files told Jim Marris and other
people that he was the gunman on the Grassy Knoll
who actually shot President Kennedy in the head. And his
story was that at that time, one of the gangsters

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that certain people in the government was working with to
consider how to assassinate Castro was a man named Sam
g and Conna, and Sam g and Conna was the
boss of the Chicago Outfit from nineteen fifty seven to
nineteen sixty six. The boss of the Chicago Outfit, he

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ended up being assassinated when he was sixty seven years old.
Somebody came into his house. I believe in or no,
let's see, yeah, I think somebody came into his house
and shot him in the back of the head. But anyway,
Sam g and Conna was the big boss there, but

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his main assassin, the guy who worked for Sam g
and Conna was a man named Charles Nicoletti Chucky, the
typewriter mobster of the Chicago outfit who served as hit
man under boss Sam g and Coanna before and after
g and Conna's rise and fall. Turns out, Nicoletti would

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also end up getting murdered. Somebody shot him in the
head I think when he was in the car at
a restaurant parking lot. But anyway, this guy James Files
and I don't have time to get into the whole story.
You can go and go to YouTube and hear him
tell his story on a number on a number of channels.

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He ended up working for Charles Nicoletti. So you had
Sam g and Kanna the boss. You had Charles Nicoletti,
who was a bonafide assassin, bona fide hip man. There's
no telling how many people that he killed with his
own hands, and then James Files would work for Charles

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Nicoletti on various projects. You know, it could be anything
from killing somebody to trying to smuggle weapons or embezzel
money or whatever. And according to James Files, sam Gy

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and Kanna put Charles Nicoletti in charge of going down
there and preparing to shoot John F. Kennedy that day,
and that Charles Nicoletti was the one who was supposed
to be doing, you know, to deliver the death shot.
But it turns out that that Charles Nicoletti said, if

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at the last moment, we're gonna if we position you
over here by this grassy knoll, by the railroad tracks
or whatever, at the last moment, if he doesn't have
a head shot, can you shoot him in the head
because we need to get a headshot. So if I
don't get the head shot, can you get a headshot
in And James Files says sure, he would do that.

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So he brought this long pistol called a Remington Fireball
XP one hundred, which wasn't even in mass production at
the time, but was available to people on the inside.
And so he said that he was on the grassy
knoll that Charles Nicoletti was. He wasn't sure where Charles

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Nicoletty was, but he said that Charles Nicoletty was shooting
from the back, but at the last minute there was
no headshot, and so James Files said that he took
the shot and he's the one who hit Kennedy in
the head. And James Files said that he had been
working with Oswald and they were preparing a lot of

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these scenarios and talking about, you know, the best ways
to take out JFK. But he said that Oswald took
no shots at JFK. That Oswald after they arrested him,
he basically passed a paraffin test, which tests for gunpowder.
He had some residue on his hands from handling shells

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beforehand when they're practicing shooting. But if it wasn't Nicoletti,
File says, at least another mafia man was there taking
shots at JFK from behind during the assassination. You have
to go to YouTube and watch James Files James Earl
Files last name elf F I L E s if

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you want to see more of this information for yourself,
and hear it straight from his mouth, and you know what,
the crazy thing is the guy, like I say, he
was serving a fifty year prison sentence. I believe, I
believe he's still alive at the age of about ab
about eighty three years old now, and so at its

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I kind of oppress event if you will. Oswald was
claiming that he was just a patsy for the whole thing,
that he was a scapegoat, and then he was quickly
assassinated by Jack Ruby, and Jack he was dying of cancer,
and many say that he was picked for that job
because he entertained mobsters and Texas businessman at his strip club,

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and they assured him that his family would be taking
care of after his impending death. So, in a nutshell,
it's really not that hard to figure out what has
happened here if you look at the facts and retrospect,
you just use plain logic, and it's kind of a duh.

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A bunch of rich guys in Texas were invested in
weapons factories. JFK's vice president, Lyndon B. Johnson, was also
from Texas. The rich weapons guys in Texas hired the
mob to kill JFK and Texas. Some people in the
government knew about it and didn't stop it, and as

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soon as Lyndon B. Johnson became pre we went hard
into Vietnam and fulfilled many of those outstanding weapons contracts,
especially from Texas. And to this day, we don't really
understand why we should have gone into Vietnam and waged
that war logically and amazingly. A man like Lyndon B. Johnson,

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who loved being a politician, decided not to run for
his final term as president. That's because he was scared.
He realized what could happen to him if he decided
he didn't want to play along anymore, just like j
f KA. When we come back from this break, I'm

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going to give you some final thoughts on this, and
then I may even have time to squeeze in a
listener email or two. Trust me, i could talk to
you for hours about this, but I've been doing my
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Welcome back to the final segment. I love this edition
of Strange Things the Radio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren
and I asked Jim Mars if he believed James Files.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
And Jim said.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
That he wasn't quite sure. Jim's Jim was a lifelong
a lifelong journalist and interviewer, and he said he never
could quite get a bead on the fell. I thought
that was interesting. I'm just giving you my opinion.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Again.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I believe that James Files is still alive. And if
you go and look up what it says about him
on Wikipedia born in Alabama, January twenty fourth, nineteen forty two,
it says Files. Files has subsequently been interviewed by others

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and discussed in multiple books pertaining to the assassination. In
nineteen ninety four, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was quoted
as having investigated files allocations and found it to be
not credible. Says the FBI, and then also the other
critical analysis. Vincent Bugliosi, author of Reclaiming History the assassination

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of President John F. Kennedy, characterized Files as the Rodney
Dangerfield of Kennedy assassins, which whatever that means, and then
Bugliosi went on to say that very few within the
majority of Americans believe there was a conspiracy m h Okay. However,
conspiracy author Jerome Croft described Files as a quote surprisingly

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credible person and said his story is the most believable
and persuasive about the assassination. Look, I'm giving you my
opinion here once again, and I want to clarify something
as well for you. I know that there are lots
of people out there, just like Jim Mars, who have
devoted their entire lives to this subject. And I am

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not proclaiming to be anywhere close to a Kennedy assassination expert.
I'm just an amateur who has been very interested in
the mystery most of my life. So for those of
you who are really hardcore into this, I want you
to understand this is not actually a conspiracy show. This

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is kind of a special edition of strange things. I
don't usually dig into deep conspiracy stuff, so please do
not email me with your thoughts and theories and you
want to get into arguments and debates and split hairs
and tell me why that I'm wrong and all that.
It's not going to do any good. I'm not even

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going to take the time to read it. I'm just
giving you my opinion based upon what I've seen, what
I think is most likely the logical case. And once again,
maybe new material will come to light that will completely
make everything I've said somehow irrelevant. But I kind of
doubt it because after all these years, I don't think

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we're going to find anybody who comes out and says
I did it who hasn't already said that he did it,
no living person. And I also don't think that that
the files are going to contain that kind of information
like case files where you pull out a piece of
paper and somebody says, oh, here's who did it sign

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off on it? How are you going to know if
that's a real document or if that person knew what
he or she was talking about. Uh So, I don't
think we're going to get any kind of a satisfactory
smoking gun until we have a time machine. Maybe we
can go back and review what happened. This whole story
is too much and this is just a podcast. So again,

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I do recommend that you go back and read some
of Jim Mars's books. So will these latest files that
are being released specify anything more than what I've given
you here?

Speaker 5 (46:16):
I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
People don't write these kinds of things down and record them.
But here's something important to remember in general when it
comes to conspiracies, and there are real conspiracies. People get
convicted of conspiracy every day in courts of law, and
people will conspire to keep this some of the most

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inconsequential things secret, like Bill Clinton, for example, what happened
in his oval office. I think I'll say no more
about that, but that was a conspiracy to cover up
something of that size. But here's the general rule for
how to try to keep a conspiracy to cover up truth.

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What you do. You can't keep something a secret because
people are just going to talk. That's that's natural. I
think it was Ben Franklin who said two can keep
a secret if one is dead. People are going to talk.
So the only thing you can do to combat it
is to put out ten different versions of the truth.
And then people they finally get confused and exhausted and

(47:28):
they just give up. They stop trying to figure it out.
That's how this process works, and that's why that you
have to reach a point where you just have to
use your own sense of logic connecting A to B,
two C to D and look at your own resources
and draw your own conclusions. So again that's my opinion,

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and I hope you've enjoyed hearing me tell you what
I think after so many years of being friends with
the late great jem Mars and digging into it as
deeply as I have. Let me see if I can
squeeze in an email or two. How about this first off?

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You know, I own, I created, I own, I manage
the Haunted Ashville Ghost Tours in Asheville, North Carolina. And uh,
it's been you know, it's like it's the original, the oldest.
We have just fantastic reviews. We've been around twenty five years.

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Haunted Ashville dot com Asheville has an E in the middle,
a s H E V I L L E. We
had a rough time when Hurricane Helen came through and
flooded stuff, but we're back up and running full speed ahead.
We love to have you on the tour. Go to
Haunted Ashville dot com and buy your ticket. We were

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actually selling so many that a lot of the tours
are selling out now. But I also if you own
a tour here in the Las Vegas area, it's in
Boulder City. It's called the Boulder City Haunted, Boulder City
Ghost and UFO Tour almost five out of five stars,
got four point eight out of five stars on trip Advisor.

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That's pretty amazing. And recently, you know, I've always thought
that I want to surprise locals. That's my goal. If
you're a local and you come on one of the tours,
I want you to learn things that you don't even
know about. And I have a fella hero named Chaz
who is He is a friend. I must say that,

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but at the same time, he made it very clear
he's not writing this because that we have any kind
of a friendship. He hosts a podcast called the ear
Mob Podcast, and I wanted to share with you what
he recently wrote about taking the Haunted Boulder City Ghost
and UFO tour. He said, we took the Haunted Boulder
City tour last night and it was fantastic. Having grown

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up in Las Vegas, I thought I knew about Boulder City,
but I had no idea. Our tour guide, Zultar, could
not have been nicer, and his knowledge just blew us away.
Hearing the tales of ghosts seen at the Boulder Damn
and strange activity and many of the downtown businesses had
us all looking over our shoulders during the tour. I
highly recommend this tour if you're into the spookier side

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of history and want to get some steps in. Don't
pass up the chance to learn something. You won't be disappointed.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
That great.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Thank you for that, Chaz. That's Haunted bouldercity dot com.
So if you're at Ashville, go to Hauntedashville dot com.
Or Boulder City outside of Las Vegas, go to Haunted
bouldercity dot com. Let me see if I can squeeze
in one or two more emails. You know, I told
you soon I'm going to be talking about what happened
when I did my portal opening experiment. One guy named

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Jason says, I was one of the very few people
who ask you not to go through with your plan
to open a portal in response to your podcast rest
that question. While listening to one of your recent podcasts,
I heard your follow up report about whether you will
decide to go through it or not, and I got
a heck of a kick saying. Hearing you say there

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were only a couple people who advised against it. That
surprised me to hear, and it was great. I found
it to be hilarious to hear that I was nearly
the only one out of hundreds of responses to say,
don't do it. I've always been odd anyway. I wish
you great success, and who knows, it may turn into

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the grandest discovery since man learned how to use fire.
Thanks for everything you do. May you be successful. Thank
you for that, Jason, And let me reassure you, my friend,
it was a success. It has all been good. My
head is still spinning, so I'm not sure if it's
going to be in the next edition of the show

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or the one after that, where I'm going to start
at the beginning and try to tell the whole story.
I am going through footage from over ten different cameras.
I don't even know how many instruments that we had there.
So stay tuned. It's going to be a good one,
my folks's friends. It's the Scionotron Show, the Portal opening show,

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all right, looks like the Clocks about Goddess. So you
know how we're going to end. If you can take
a deep breath and close your eyes and enjoy the
good fortune tone, that's it for this edition of the show.

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