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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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ready to be amazed, wizard weird. This is a strange thing.
I am Joshua de Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises,

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and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more. On this edition of the program, I interviewed
a real exorcist. Now, what is the real story with exorcism? Well,
you guys know how I am and that I always

(01:38):
do my best to get to the truth and keep
it simple. Well, let's give it a try with this subject,
shall we. One of the world's most famous exorcists is
Bishop Brian Willette. He lives in Georgia here in the
United States. I met him in two thousand eighteen when

(02:02):
we were both on the set of the Ghost Adventures
live TV program on the Travel Channel Halloween Night. Okay,
that was a live broadcast, and in fact, if you're
a fan of the TV show Ghost Adventures, you know
exactly who he is. Uh, you know what. He and

(02:23):
Sister Mary Jane formally blessed me that night, the first
night I met them, blessed me with holy water along
with Darren Evans, and that is just a wonderful memory,
a great introduction to him and his work. Bishop will
Let hosts a podcast called Vestiges after Dark, and he

(02:47):
recently interviewed me on his podcast, a terrific discussion about
aliens and lots of other weird things. If you haven't
heard it, you should definitely go back and listen Vestiges
after Dark. That's his show. Well, Bishop Wilette has become
a friend over these years, and I've planned for a
long time to have him on this show so we

(03:10):
could have a blunt, frank discussion about the truly controversial
topic of demonic exorcism. Now, as a brief bio for you.
Bishop Brian will Lett is a semi retired auto cephalis
Catholic bishop. And yes, I had to look up the

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word auto cephalis and I've published books with Simon and Schuster.
It basically means independent. Okay. So he's a semi retired
auto cephalis Catholic bishop and exorcist for the Old Roman
Catholic Sacred Order of St. Michael, the archangel Order of Exorcists,

(03:56):
also currently offering private instruction and gato Zen meditation, mysticism,
prayer and Christian esotericism. He is currently the Presiding Bishop
of the Holy Nicolaean Catholic Church and you should go
visit their website. It is Esoteric Catholic dot org. You

(04:22):
know esoter E S O T E R I C.
Esoteric Catholic dot org is the website. And also I
follow him on Twitter of course, and his Twitter handle
is at Exorcist Bishop. That's pretty cool, at Exorcist Bishop.
So anyway, he is. He's a warm soul who has

(04:43):
just helped a lot of people over the years, and
I mean people in the most desperate stages of life
at the end of the rope. So without further Ado,
let's just jump right into my recent conversation with him
about who he is and what real exorcism is truly

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all about. Bishop will Let, I wasn't raised Catholic, thus
I don't have an organic understanding of how the Catholic
system works. So please, in the simplest way, help us
understand your relationship to the traditional Catholic Church. That's a

(05:28):
good question, at a loaded question, um, but I can
do my best to try to simplify it. Essentially, Catholicism
is the more ancient form of Christianity, perhaps the most
ancient form of Christianity. It's a liturgical system, um, and
it has a very strong mystical and spiritual side um.

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That is I think what attracts me to it, and
certainly others as well who find themselves looking for something deeper, um,
you know, have that mystical aspect to their own spiritualities,
but also happened to uh find value in the Christian worldview.
So Catholicism sort of answers that. That does Orthodoxy as well.

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But you know, you could really kind of say they're
two sides of the same colin Orthodoxy is more of
the Eastern flares of the Church and then the Western
Churches of course Catholicism UM. But you know, as it
always is in you know, after two thousand years, people
start to disagree with the direction um the religion goes,

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and UM it led to various schisms. So the first schism,
of course, was the ten fifty four schism that broke
the um the four Eastern Churches with the Western Church,
and the four Eastern Churches became the Orthodox Churches, and
Catholicism became the well, the only Western Church UM. And

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then over time, of course the Protestant Reformation UM, and
then after that UM there were even breaks within Catholicism
itself where there were people that did not agree with
certain administrative decisions that were being made by the Vatican UM,
but at the same time still felt very much connected

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to everything else that was Catholic. And so this, uh,
this was another schism you know, happening in Europe UM,
and over the course of the last few hundred years
became what is now known as the Old Catholics or
the Old Roman Catholics. And the Old Catholics started well,

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now having been completely separated from Vatican authority. The bishops
in the old in the Old Catholic Schism could now
ordained and consecrate whoever they wanted without having to seek
permission from the Vatican. So that created an entirely new
series of bishops that otherwise would never have been consecrated.

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And because Apistolic succession does not depend upon administrative authority,
it's a spiritual thing, it was perfectly valid for them
to do so. So these bishops that broke away from
the Vatican administratively started ordaining and consecrating their own bishops,
and those bishops consecrated their own bishops, and then there

(08:26):
were breakaways from that that created what is now known
in this country, at least in the United States as
the Independent Sacramental Movement. And these are essentially fully valid
Catholic priests and bishops, but not um, not under Vatican authority,
and certainly not affiliated in any way administratively with the

(08:51):
Roman Catholic Church. The only connection really tends to be spiritual,
and that is it's still Catholicism um, but it's just
in the very much the same way that all Eastern
Orthodox bishops and priests are valid, but they're not under
Vatican authority. They operate out of an auto cephalist capacity

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under their own jurisdictions, and we're kind of that. So
I am the Presiding Bishop of the Nicolayan Catholic Church,
which which is in full union with the Old Catholics
through my work as an exorcist for the Old Catholics
Sacred Order of St. Michael, the changel Order of Exorcists.
So that hopefully that it's very very brief explanation, but

(09:36):
that kind of gives you a little bit of the
history of what went on. Oh yeah, yeah, that was great. Uh.
And obviously it's just so important to understand all of
the complex facets of of what you do and the
tradition that you're relying on. What do you say to
an atheist someone who says, hey, why do you even
believe there is a God? Well, I think you know,

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the only answer that can be given in that respect
is that one has to have a direct experience with
God in order to be able to confidently hold that belief. Now,
you can, you can believe out of hope, which I
think a lot of people do, but there are also
people that believe out of experience, and that's a very

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different factor for me. I would fall into that latter category.
I struggled through parts of my life with um atheism,
and it was only when God revealed himself to me
in a very direct and deliberate way UM that I
developed a certainty that I now possess and that has

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shaped my faith experience going forward. So I don't define
faith as believing in something that you can't prove, I believe,
you know, I would say faith is has nothing really
to do with believe. Faith has everything to do with
trusting that UM that a particular thing is true or
particular experience religiously is true by having a direct encounter

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with that very thing that gives you a certain a
sort of certainty. So it's kind of like, you know, um,
it's kind of like going to a place you've never
been before. You know, you know it exists, but unless
you experience it directly, you don't really know it. You
can only know about it by what other people tell you.
And I mean, if you're talking about something that's really

(11:29):
hard to connect with, like going to the moon, for example,
if you're not an astronaut that has had that experience,
then that creates the room for doubt for people to say, well,
the moon landing was faked and it never really ever
happened because people haven't experienced the same thing with these
these flat, flat earthers. You know, it's unthinkable to me

(11:50):
that anybody in the current time would actually believe still
that the Earth is flat. But this happens because the
direct experience of seeing then the Earth round is really
not available to most people. You have to trust sources
that have done it. You have to trust that those
are accurate sources, and that's even becoming more of a

(12:13):
question today. So God's not terribly different from that. If
you don't have the direct experience, very difficult to believe
in it, particularly if you're a rational person. Um, if
you're very left brain like I am. Uh, it's very
difficult to overcome the natural doubts that I think community
humanity has. Okay, time for a break. When we come back,

(12:34):
we are jumping right into the big topic exorcism. What
is the truth? I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to
strange things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,
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pe Warren dot com. Um, all right, now, let's get
back to my conversation with the exorcist Bishop Brian Will

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Let but let's get to the big sensational topic exorcism. Okay,
what is exorcism really? Well, I can give you the
Church's answer, I can give you mine. Um. You know, Um,
I guess I'll give you a little bit of both,
so that you can kind of get a full picture.

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Because I tend to depends on which way It depends
on which direction I need to take the the the
question in order to arrive at an answer that I
think is accurate. Because they are different. Um. The Church
uses a model that is completely based upon its paradigm.

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I do not. I step out of paradigms constantly, which
is one of the benefits of being autocephalist and independent
is that I don't have to and here to any
particular conventional system. I can step outside of it as
often as I need to in order to get the
best results for the client that I'm trying to help. UM.
But in the Roman Catholic Church, a Roman Catholic priests

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or Roman Catholic exorcist has the paradigm that they must follow,
and there's no room outside of that paradigm. So in
in in traditional terms, in terms of how the conventional
church sees exorcism, it is the expelling of a demon
from an individual who has become um, the target of

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what is essentially a fallen angel and UM. So the
right of exorcism is to remove that intrusion from that
person's life, usually their body. Um. They all, I mean,
they're the distinctions of like obsession, oppression, and possession are
just degrees, uh in terms of identifying that the level

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in severy of the problem. But ultimately it comes down
to a demonic attachment. UM. Now I would take it
a completely different direction from that. Now in the model
of Catholicism, it's true, um, but it's only true in
terms of how one would look at it from an
archetypal perspective. I tend to step outside of that, and

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I see demons as um truly sentient, non comporeal, which
is I think the Roman Cather Church would agree to
that to that extent. But at the same time, I
would take it a step further and say that these
are aspects of the human psyche um that fracture and

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become sentient independent. Um. Well, I guess you could say
psychological processes that invade the ordinary functioning of that person's
psyche to the point that now, um, they are being
influenced by this, this this newly generated um consciousness. And

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that of course is only applicable when we're talking about
it from the side of the demonic. But there's all
sorts of possession actors, the people that do method acting,
they are actually cultivating a type of possession in order
to do method acting. Um. You see it with some
people that get so serious about it and ends up,

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you know, killing them. Um. Heath Ledger is a good
example of that with his joker Um. You know the
reason I think he was such an incredible joker. I've
really never talked to anybody who didn't like his his
his performance. I think it was certainly the most realistic
joker I've ever seen UM, and yet I think it
got into his head to degree that he probably had

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a very hard time getting it back out again. And
I want to say that that Jack Nicholson UM told
him be very careful with that character Um. And I've
talked to other actors about this phenomenon of where when
they start to become the character, it's sort of changes
their behavior and and they feel almost as if there's

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another that the character is real but existing sort of
simultaneously within them. That's the type of possession. It's just
the reason we wouldn't classify that as demonic is because
it doesn't have a negative effect on the individual UM,
and it can be useful, the same thing you can
say in Buddon and Santaria. You know, Houdon is another
example of ritual possession. That is, you know, using utilizing

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a connection to the ancestors the loa, and they are
invited in Um. They possess the vessel that is willing
for a period of time, and then when the ritual
is over, you know, everyone goes back to normal, and
remarkable things can happen during that process. But again it's
not considered demonic because it's part of the religion and

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it's nothing there's no delatarious effects. But at the same time, um,
you know, we're all susceptible to these things. There's a
very strong psychological component. And it comes back to the
fact that the very word psyche, the word that we
the Greek word that we get the word psychology from
um in the ancient time, you know, in the ancient

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understanding of the term psyche literally means um um soul.
It's they would not have distinguished the difference between um
a the spiritual nature and the world of the mind
like we do. We see the world of the mind
as a neurological process that's you know, kind of physiological.

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They would have said that there was no difference between
the spiritual world and the world of the mind and
saw it as the same thing. And I think that
is the that's the gap that a lot of people
can't are struggled across when trying to understand what exorcism is.
So what's your really doing whether you're doing it through
the Roman Catholic paradigm of expelling a demon um or

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you're doing it my way, which is the same model
only I take a different perspective on the actual metaphysics
of it, which is to heal a fractured psyche and
to put them back into a state of wholeness and
sort of integrate these nasty archetypes that exist within our DNA.
I've been built within us. We are made of archetypes,

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and um. The strongest to archetypes that we will ever
encounter are going to be the trickster in the shadow.
And those archetypes together produce UM when combined with our
animal nature and the more primitive aspects of our mind,
the reptilian brain, for example. When that combines and those
two archetypes combined with that animal nature, you end up

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getting a demon out of that. Now, most of us
are not constantly cultivating a relationship to those dark archetypes.
In fact, most of us tend to avoid those dark archetypes.
We might toy with them in horror movies or my
toy with them with you know, any kind of dark story. Um.
But some people take it too far and um, And

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then sometimes you don't even really need to make a
conscious decision in order to unlock some of that with
the us, I can sometimes just spontaneously arise, and then
now we have, um, a malevolent sentience within us that
needs to be corrected. UM. And that's kind of what

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I would say, demonic possession is an exorcism, is healing
that fracture. So when we envision demons as little devils
running around a little monsters of some kind, is there
any truth to that? I mean, are there demons in
that sense? Yes, But I think only in an archetypal
sense um. You know. And I don't try to say

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this to marginalize it, because I would actually tell you,
you know that philosophically speaking, I would say architects are
more real than we are. UM. I think we are
really sort of a a reflection of those things. And
when you really break down human nature, you know, we
are made up of an aggregate system of various degrees

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of archetypal patterns UM. And you have people that are
very heroic, therefore they encompass a large quantity of the
hero archetype. You know. You have people that are like
the old you know, the wise old man UM. You
have people that are the eternal child UM. And then
of course you have the darker characters like the Shadow

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and the trickster and there's numerous archetypes, and there's numerous
sub archetypes that are sort of spawned off of those
parent archetypes that Young focused in on um. And ultimately
what we are our combinations of those things. Our entire
identity is based upon a areful a ratio of countless

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variations of these archetypes are built into what seems like
a personality and a identity and a self that really
doesn't exist when you break them all down. It's kind
of like I like to tell my students, it's kind
of like a pen. You know. I can take a pen,
and I can take a little top off, and you know,
and then I'll take the spring out, and I'll take
the ink cartridge out, I'll take a little you know,

(26:25):
the little um button out that lets you, you know,
bring the ink out, and a ballpoint pen. And when
is it no longer a pen? You know, how many
parts do you need to take it apart where you
can't call it a pen anymore. It's only really a
pen when it's all together, when all these parts are together,
and also functional, when it is useful, when it can

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actually be used for the purpose of what a pen
is used for. Otherwise you basically just have aggregate parts
that you know, I don't really have much value unless
they are all working together for that singular purpose. And
human beings are very much bad. And that's what you
tend to see with people that do suffer from demonic problems.

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They tend to be people who are not are struggling
with finding purpose, they are struggling with identity. And this
sort of gives an opportunity for these archetypal patterns, these
more negative oriented one to arise within them. You'll hear
how he actually conducts an exorcism when we come back.

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Pete Warren, and this is the show where the unusual
becomes usual. And now let's get back to my unusual
conversation with the exorcist, Bishop Brian Will. Let when you

(30:42):
go in to function as an exorcist and you have
a task, you have a mission, you have a problem
to solve, and you're trying to figure out how to
address that problem. Do you believe that all of the
negativity is somehow being generated from that individual's psyche or
do you think that there is something that can be

(31:05):
almost almost physically removed from that person, like a parasite. Yeah,
I would say it's old the above. Really I think
it really works as a symbiotic relationship. So I don't
think there's really anything happening outside us that isn't having
a parallel within us. I think that's again part of
that old occult system of as above so below, and

(31:26):
that works on such a multidimensional level. The macro cosmos
in the micro cosmos relationship is always there. It's it's
always reflecting. We are merely a reflection of something that's
happening at a higher level, and we are experiencing it
here at this level because that's where the point of
experience is for us. And so it feels as though

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all these things are happening outside of us, um are
independent from us. But in reality, you know, we're inside
it and it's inside us. But what you are extracting
is essentially a non comporeal energy pattern and breaking it down. Um.
You know, the church just says you're sending a demon
back to Hell. Well, that's a nice story that kind

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of conveys the ineffable reality that most human minds are
not going to necessarily comprehend because it's outside of their paradigms. Um.
So the story is a way of making it makes
sense to the average person, but for someone who's actually
doing this work professionally. They need to know what's really
going on. There's you understand that there's something that drives

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the functions of the church. There's something that drives these
particular rituals in the way that they're written in order
to literally seize control of a offending archetype and break
that pattern down so that it can no longer harm anyone.
So you know, well, you know, you and I and
everybody listening to this show, we are all very open
minded people were capable of using our imagination and talking

(32:52):
about things on a deeper level and seeing the difference
between the physical and non physical and how all those
things connect, etcetera. But uh, if I'm just sitting at
a bar, uh as some guy next to me says,
our dogs real, I go yes? And he said, our
unicorn is real no, ore sharks real? Yes, our dragons

(33:13):
real no, our demons real. What's the answer to that
question in that scenario. I think that depends upon the
worldview and how that worldview allows within the paradigm to
accept the reality of that thing or not. Um. I
think there was a time where you could have gone
into a bar and asked if dragons are real, and

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you would have probably gotten a majority response that said, yes,
I think there was a time where that could have
been true. It's not as true today because our paradigm
has shifted to not allow for that architect and manifests
in that same way anymore. Demons are still part of
the mass consciousness, which has been largely promoted by Hollywood

(33:55):
and shows like you know, paranormal television, Coats adventures. You know, clearly, um,
that helps to create a sort of realism to it,
that brings this absolute reality into the realm of the conventional.
And we exist in the realm of the conventional. We
are conventional constructs, always built by paradigms and biases, where
very much you take out the paradigms and the biases

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that people, there's very little substance there for most Um,
I would say that that possession comes from the super ego. Okay,
so when the super ego feels violated, which is usually
because it's it's think of the super egos like this
goody two shoes part of yourself, Um, that has working
mostly again outside of normal consciousness. It's really sort of

(34:39):
operating independently of you, and it's always evaluating the morality
of something, or the ethics or something. It's making value
judgments about everything you see and do all the time,
and it's weighing this against your decisions that the ego makes.
And so when the ego steps out side of the

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boundaries of where the super ego wants it to go,
that's what creates this sense of wrongdoing. And there's usually
a little bit of gratification that comes from doing wrong,
which is why we tend to do things that are wrong,
because we can gratify ourselves this way, and that produces
a uh an effect within the psyched that creates the

(35:23):
the the the stress fracture that eventually can create a
permanent fracture that would then result in the appearances of possession.
So if a person, for example, is raised in a
in a in a system where their super ego UM
sees fornication as a sin, at a mortal sin, perhaps

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something that would be absolutely unthinkably wrong, and then you
know their biological urges that the ID comes into play
at some point in their adolescence and they fornicate with
someone UM, that can be all it takes to create
enough of a stress facture because the id's doing something
making the ego make a decision that it shouldn't do,

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and then the super ego doesn't like it, and then
that creates the seed for there to be something from
that shadow or or trickster archetype to take over that
person's consciousness because now there is a h an opening
of violation within it that that that made it weak.
So this is where we see, and I'm talking now

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in my terms, in the Roman Catholic terms, they would
say that sin or a proclivity to sin in a
particular way UM makes one spiritually weak, which gives it
opportunity for the demons to come and attack itself because vibrationally,
you and I are aligning, aligning yourself to something that

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is darker instead of aligning yourself to something that is holy. Again,
both models are true. It's just one a little bit
more authentic and accurate than the other. UM, but doesn't
mean it's any less true to use the model that
the Roman Catholic churches, you know, because that's actually an
easier one for most people to understand than the one
is that I described. So putting all this into practice,

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please give us a class, a class example of a
possession type scenario in which you helped the person as
an exorcist. Well, I can say that any time we've
had a case where the client was very receptive to
everything that we told them to do. Um, we have

(37:31):
a success rate with such cases. Um. And it's not
to put ourselves in the back and say look at us,
where we're so magnificent that we always know the right
thing to do and say um. But what it really
comes down to is helping the client to understand the
dynamic that is at work within their situation and to

(37:53):
resolve it. Now, in most cases exorcism is not required, Okay,
so a lot of times it takes is getting them
reconnected to things that helped to again gratify wherever they're
at with and their super ego. So a lot of
it has to do with finding out where their super
ego is and where the violation point occurred and bringing

(38:13):
them back into um uh I guess harmony with themselves
so that those three parts makes sense. And again even
that's a model, that's just another way of trying to
describe these things that are very much beyond us. UM.
But it really helps. And so UM, I would say
that you know, we had a we had a client
that had all the classic science of possession, absolutely in

(38:36):
every possible way, and um, almost everywhere that well, UM,
you know, in this particular case, UM, she could speak
languages that she did not study. UM, ancient dead languages,
UM a romaic. UM. I believe in this. In that

(38:58):
one that I'm thinking about, I believe our it was
one of the ones that she would say, Um, she
had superhuman strength and become rigid, to the point that
this little tiny lady that barely weighed seventy pounds would
become so heavy that you know, even three people would
struggle to lift her. Um. In some cases, you know,

(39:21):
we even will see levitation, although it's not like all
the way up to the ceiling or something like that.
It's it's it's generally just a few inches off the ground. Um.
And then there will be other things that uh, you know,
can affect the patlor systems. For example, like I remember
one exorcism we did on the same individual I'm talking about,

(39:43):
where UM, we reached the end of the exorcism and UM,
it blew the power out, but it flickered three times,
it went off and then came back on, went off,
came back on, went off and stayed off, and it
blew out the power to the entire blog. Um, and

(40:05):
it stayed out for like I want to say, it
was out until the next morning. So Um, there was
no explanation for that other than the fact that there
was so much energy being generated in the room at
the time that it affected the phenomenal world around it.
And that's because there there's there's complete interconnection and symbiosis there.
So so getting back to the lady, now, she was

(40:26):
exhibiting all of these symptoms that you said are classic possession, Well,
I guess symptoms. Um. So what did you do next? Well,
we we um. We tried several blessings which made her worse.
And that's always kind of a good litmus test for
us to be able to say, Okay, this is looking

(40:47):
more like possession, um, Because typically a person who's not
possessed is going to be able to sit through a blessing,
even if it makes them uncomfortable. They'll sit through it. Um.
They won't act out any way, that's too strange. But
when they will react violently and then go into one
of these states that they absolutely do not remember once

(41:08):
they enter into the possessed state. They never remember anything
about it. It's a complete blackout in there. In there,
it's almost as if they arrived at the church, they
get the blessing, they black out, and then we're performing
exorcism for two or three hours, and then they come
out of it and they feel like they just arrived.
It's like all that time is gone now. Um. And

(41:31):
that's a very common thing that we see. So yeah,
so we we performed the blessing that made her worse.
I tried the sacrament of function, which would be the
next step that she would not allow at all. So
we went right into exorcism at this point, minor exorcism.
When we come back, you will hear what happened when
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Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,
a m paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
and here is the rest of my conversation with the
exorcist Bishop Brian will Let and we was able to

(45:27):
stabilize or bring around. But of course that's not Minor
exorcism doesn't typically create a healium that fracture, or if
you want to use Roman Catholic terms, removal of the
demon um. It it's really just a way of sort
of uh imparting grace to that person so that they
can be stabilized. It's it's kind of like a person

(45:49):
who's having a heart attack, you know, then, and you're
getting their their vitals stabilized, but you're not solving the
problem that's causing the heart attack that might need surgery
later on. So um solemn exorcism it's sort of like
the surgery. That's where you're going in and take out
the malignancy, and that takes time and planning. So after
several sessions of trying to do it with minor exorcism,

(46:11):
we eventually then planned a solemn exorcism a few weeks
later and then proceeded to remove ten demons from her
um and they came out one by one. So, okay,
what what exactly are you doing in the middle of
one of these minor or even major exorcisms, And how

(46:34):
do you know when the demon is out? Well, there's
signs of release, and you see it in their eyes typically. UM.
I remember in this client, which was really remarkable, and
I wish I had you know, sometimes I wish I
could just have like a little camera on my head
that can see what I'm exactly seeing, so that we
could capture some of these moments. Um. But they're so

(46:56):
violent and there's so much struggle that there's really in
no way to record this stuff to be able to
really capture it well. So a lot of exorcism footage
looks like UFO footage was just blurry, um. But you know,
we um. Her eyes changed from normal um, where the

(47:18):
iris was just the normal shape too, being like this
the eye of a snake. It became this little sort
of dot and the almost her eyes, which I believe
were blue, turned into almost like a silvery gold, like
a metallic kind of um color. And it's it stayed

(47:41):
like that, and it and it it's it stared me down,
you know. And I got in there and I stared
it down. UM. And by this point I had acquired
the demon's name, which is helpful because that's when we
start to gain control over it. And I continued the
rights of extorcism using holy water, um and drenching her

(48:01):
in it, and I think we went through two gallons.
I poured about two gallons of holy water in that
one exorcism on her. She was literally dripped. Both of
us were dripping wet um, and she screamed, um, bloody murder.
I mean it was. It was the most horrific thing.
I think anybody in that road could have ever heard
a human being, you know, make that kind of sound.

(48:24):
And then suddenly she she got up, got rigid, and
then and then became completely limp, and her eyes went
back to normal human looking eyes. It was the most
remarkable thing that I can I can say I've ever
seen in any exorcism I've ever performed. UM and that
was the sign of release because it clearly no longer

(48:47):
had any hold on her, and um, you know, we
let them rest for a few moments after that happens,
and then we gently wake them up and almost like
bringing someone out of hypnosis, where they wake up in
their normal again and they don't remember anything that happened.
So what tips would you give anyone listening right now
on how to protect him or herself from demonic issues?

(49:11):
I would say, have a very strong um spiritual center.
And again by spiritual, I don't necessarily mean it has
to be religious. I don't mean it has to be ethereal.
It needs to be grounded and something that's larger than
yourself that you can at least if you if you're atheists, fine,
but even an atheist can be philosophical. Even an atheist

(49:33):
can use philosophy to go to reach to higher levels
of awareness. Um. Anybody can meditate. You don't need to
believe in God for that either. All of these things
are told that can be used to cultivate the mind,
to strengthen the mind and at the same time strengthen
the body. Um, so that one can be far more

(49:54):
um skillful in their activities that they undergo throughout their life.
And for a religious person it's much easier because they
can adopt a religious system that is already a proven
system that has all of the built in psychological protections
already there, and faith and relationship to God gives us

(50:16):
that strength to be able to overcome any of these
negative adverse reactions that can happen spiritually. So um, there's
no excuse. There's always some world. Um. Well, I don't
want to call it a worldview. There's always uh some
method that can appeal to just about anyone, and and
even if it's science, I mean, science can be also

(50:40):
a very useful tool of looking outside oneself. Physics is
a great one, particularly like quantum mechanics or theoretical physics.
These are things that kind of take us outside of
our normal paradigms and let us know that there's so
much more to the universe than we can possibly imagine.
All of that serves to protect us. You were telling
me off the air that there is one question particular

(51:00):
that you get all the time, at least once a week.
What is that question and what is the answer? Um?
If demons can be transmitted through the television by watching
horror movies or paranormal TV shows. This is a question
I get almost every week. Um. It's a very common one.
I'm tired of answering it, actually, Um, But I'd like

(51:20):
to answer it on talk shows like this because it
gives me an opportunity to kind of get the word out.
So hopefully I don't get asked too much on social media.
But the answer is absolutely no, unless you fear it.
So all of this thing comes from fear fear is
the biggest enemy. If you really want to say who
is the devil, who is satan Um, it's it's it's

(51:41):
your own fear. That's where the devil comes from. That's
what gives birth to the devil. That's what gives birth
to darkness. So when you fear, you're in trouble. And
so if you fear paranormal shows, if you fear, you know,
movies that deal with Satanism, then yes, those become weaknesses
for you. But if understand that you know you're you're

(52:01):
you're above all those things. They can't touch you, they
can't harm you, then you're not gonna be affective and
not even in real life. You could sit through a
real ritual with an actual Satanist, and by satan if
I'm talking about the the ritualistic kind, the ones that
actually do believe that the devil is this real angel
that they worship. There's many different types of Satanism, but

(52:22):
I mean you could sit through a original like that,
you could sit through a black mask, you could sit
through literally not that you'd want to, a human sacrifice
and still come out completely okay because you'd be above
anything that's there that could harm you well, Bishop Brian
will let the clock has got us so in closing,
if someone is experiencing spiritual chaos right now, what practical

(52:47):
advice do you give on how to seek help? And
please tell everybody how they can learn in general more
about you and your work. The floor is yours well.
Everything that you would ever need to know about me,
my work UM, and all of the things that you know.
We have as far as services go, whether it be

(53:08):
teaching or actual spiritual problem resolution UM. It can be
found at the website, our website, the church's website, which
is UM. You can find it at Esoteric Catholic dot org.
UM all one word Esoteric Catholic dot org or Nicolaan
dot org. It's the same place, same it gets you
to the same location. That's and I C H O

(53:31):
L e A N dot org, not dot com. A
lot of people put in dot com and say I
can't find your website. It's dot org. We don't have
the dot com. But everything there. There's lots of resources
of the the podcast that I have is there, uh.
Nicolaon UM television is there where you can watch the mass,
and we have other functions and things that you can

(53:53):
get connected to. I have a webinar that I teach
once a week on these higher esoteric things. If you're
just in that that that's helped a lot of people
as well. Um, there's a lot of conventional stuff there
as well as a lot of um, outside the box
content as well. Um. So yeah, if you can't find
it there, um, then you're not gonna find it. So

(54:14):
it's all it's all there somewhere in the hub. Okay,
that was my conversation with the Exorcist Bishop Brian will Let.
Thank you for being on the show. Brian, I will
certainly have him on in the future to talk about
a lot more esoteric Catholic dot org follow him on
Twitter at Exorcist Bishop. And you know what, I got

(54:34):
an email from a guy that I need to refer to,
Bishop will Let. This guy has had a lot of unpleasant,
weird stuff happening and attachments, and he sent me one
of the creepiest pictures I've ever seen. And we're almost
at a time, but I'm telling you, in an upcoming show,
I will give you his whole story. He gave me

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permission to tell you the story and show you this picture.
So people who subscribe to my E newsletter will we'll
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all need after listening to all that, I think we
need to take a deep breath, recenter, rebalance, and just
meditate on the good fortune tongue. Are you ready? If

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