Episode 5: Slipping into other dimensions

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Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird.
This is Strange Things with Joshua pe Warren. I am
Joshua P. Warren, and each week called this show, I'll
be bringing you grand news, fine blowing content, news, exercises

(01:00):
and experiments you can do at home, and a lot more. Hey,
let me ask you a question. Have you ever slipped
into another dimension and then back out and then realized
what happened only after the fact, kind of like deja vu?

(01:25):
Now that it might sound eerily familiar to some of you,
it is this highly bizarre thing that we sometimes call
the odds factor. And I'm going to give you some
examples of this. I'm going to tell you about some
experiences that others have had, things that have happened to me,

(01:45):
and then maybe some some ideas, some theories about what
this experience is and how it applies to our perception
of reality. You know, I just got an email from
a listener named Chris who lives in Missouri. I want
to read some of his email to you. I'm going

(02:07):
to paraphrase some of it, and this may sound a
bit confusing to you at first, because he was confused
by what happened to him. Here's what he wrote. I
just had an experience that I've never before had in
my life. I had just watched an interview with STANDEO,

(02:28):
who was talking about parallel universes. Afterwards, I decided to
go on a midnight ride, which I do quite frequently,
not being able to sleep at a decent hour sometimes.
I decided to take Highway six to a little bump
in the road called Rock Springs and then take the
back roads to Highway M, which would take me to

(02:50):
Highway thirteen and then home. All right, so he had
this route worked out. He goes on to say, everything
was fine, or so I thought. I had just gotten
onto Highway M from the gravel road I was on,
and then things got weird, although I never actually felt anything,
so I didn't suspect anything. I was driving along just fine,

(03:15):
at least until I came across a right hand curve
and I thought to myself, I don't remember there being
a curve on this road. I continued on and soon
crossed a bridge and thought to myself, I don't remember
there being a bridge on this road. And then there
was another right hand curve in the road. Again, I
don't remember there being another curve on this road. And

(03:37):
after a bit I looked up at my van's compass
and it said north. I was going north. Well, Highway
m is straight as an era, going east to west
from the point I got on it until I get
to Highway thirteen, which goes north to south, where I
make my turn for the last leg of my journey,
he said. The road eventually turned west, but soon I

(03:58):
started seeing how says fairly close together, which shouldn't be there.
I decided to stop and find out exactly where the
hell I was because I was getting a little concerned,
as you might imagine. I got my phone out and
brought up the maps app, and the first thing it
showed was a little town called Coffee, a small village
about fifteen miles north of Highway six, and he says

(04:22):
it showed coffee. I looked around. I couldn't find anything
to indicate I was there. There was no little icon
showing my position, he says. Finally I looked around, and
eventually my icon showed up about a how half a
mile from where I got on to Highway M from
the gravel road. He said. He began to think about

(04:45):
that STANDEO interview, and he thought how ironic, he said.
I got my van going and occasionally glanced at my phone.
My little icon was not even moving along Highway M
as it should have been. Then all of a sudden,
after I'd passed some more houses, it showed up, showed

(05:06):
me moving again. And he says, after I had gone
by more houses, it showed I was moving on Highway
M as I should have been from the start. And
then I started noticing things I was used to sing.
Another five miles or so, and I was at the

(05:28):
junction of Highways M and thirteen, and that was the end.
He said, whoa wide an experience. Now again, maybe that
sounded a little confusing to you, So let me add
some clarification. About fifteen years ago, I took a road

(05:48):
trip with my great friend, Casey Fox, a guy I
have known practically my entire life. He's an investigator. We
met in the first grade, and I had decided to
travel from western North Carolina to eastern eastern North Carolina.
North Carolina is a long state, and we were going
to drive something like, you know, seven hours or whatever

(06:11):
to this little town in a very rural part of
the state where, according to some early newspaper accounts, some
railroad workers had accidentally cracked open a cave and discovered
the remains of some giant humanoids. It's one of these stories.

(06:32):
They were actually kind of plentiful back in the railroad days.
We're talking about the late eighteen hundreds in particular, a
lot of these stories began to come out. But what
what made this this story so especially interesting to me
is that there was at that time an elderly widow
who lived there near the site where this discovery supposedly occurred.

(06:57):
And her late husband had spent decades as his hobby
going out and hiking the woods and scouring the swamps
and collecting fossils and artifacts and things. And he had
more or less a workshop there on his property that
was full of not only really strange bones and fossils,

(07:18):
but artifacts that were way too huge to be wielded
by the average sized human. I'm talking about you know,
ax heads and hammers and uh, you know tools things
like that that were just ten times the size of
what any human would use. So we were going there

(07:39):
primarily to see her collection. And uh, of course, when
I make a road trip to investigate one strange thing,
I look and see how many other odd things might
be in the area that I can check out as well.
So we we went there, we met her, had a
fantastic time, and and frankly, that is a whole story

(08:01):
for another podcast, and I promise you one day I'll
dig into that. But the point of the story that
I'm bringing up right now is that, you know, Casey
and I were running around this whole area, and we
were going to libraries and we were interviewing historians and
doing everything we could. And one evening, I can't remember
where we decided to go. It was getting kind of

(08:23):
late at night. Casey was driving and we got on
some road that was so pitch black that, um, it
was sort of it was so dark, it was mesmerizing,
and in fact, it reminds me thinking back on it,

(08:44):
of a movie set. For example, I've said this before.
One of my favorite movies is the silly comedy Peewee's
Big Adventure, And there are scenes that they shot where
Pee Peewee is driving down the highway and it looks
just like insanely dark all around him because they were
on a studio. They were on a set, And this
is sort of what it began to feel like that

(09:05):
I wasn't outside anymore in nature, that I was on
some kind of a set. And at one point, after
I realized that I was, I don't know, I'd fallen
into some kind of zone. I said to to Casey,
you know what, we haven't passed a car or seen
anything for about an hour now. And uh he he goes, yeah,

(09:31):
you're right, we haven't. So we're like, where the heck
are we know? So, I don't know what our cell
phone technology was at the time, but I do remember
we had no type of cell phone signal or anything
like that. I was pulling out maps trying to figure
out where we supposedly were, but the maps were not
meshing whatsoever with our experience. And I mean we didn't

(09:55):
see any landmarks, no houses, I'm telling you nothing. And
then all of a sudden, after more than an hour
of this Casey slammed on the brakes. The road ended. Literally,
the road just stopped. We got out of the car,

(10:16):
and where the road had stopped, there was just land
in front of us as far as we could see,
and we were absolutely just uh, well, we we were
so confused, we were so disoriented. We said, what the
heck has happened here? Let me tell you, some pretty
choice words were coming from our mouths. And we were

(10:39):
starting to get a little worried, also because we were
kind of getting low on gas, so we said, we
gotta we gotta drive and find some way out. So
we get back in the car. We start heading back
the other way. We're not seeing anything. We're getting hungrier
and hungrier. We're starting to freak out more and more.
We're really getting worried. And every I mean whenever there

(10:59):
was a turn, there was no sign or anything. And
these are major roads. I mean, it wasn't like we're
a little dirt roads or cow paths. So we just
keep driving and taking turns. We never see anything, Okay,
no houses, no light posts, no mailboxes, no nothing. I
don't hear anything, and then all of a sudden, up ahead,

(11:20):
we saw this golden globe and it was just striking
standing out against this absolutely you know, sort of flat
black world that we were that we were driving through.
And so we said, well, let's go to that light.

(11:42):
Let's go to the light. We got closer and closer
to the golden light and it began to take shape
and form, and it was it was the Golden Arches.
There was a McDonald's. There, there was nothing else around
this McDonald's. There were no cars in the parking lot.

(12:06):
Casey and I pulled up to the drive through window
and this at this at this point, you know, this
is probably like two in the morning, there is this
beautiful woman at the at the at the window and
she's glowing like some kind of an angel. She has
this big, bright smile and it's just the most model

(12:29):
McDonald's employee you could ever ask for. And Casey and
I go, wow, we're so happy to see you. She
had this, you know again, big bright smile, and she goes, oh, sure,
what can we get for you? You know, first off,
I said, where are we? So she starts saying a
lot of stuff to us that doesn't make any sense.
She's she says, you know such and such town, you

(12:49):
know such and such. No, none of it makes any
sense to me or Casey. And you know, Casey was
a boy scout and all that, and he was really
good at directions and went camping all the time. Never
made any sense to us, and so we were just
happy to have some food. We ordered a couple of
Big Max and fries and Coca Cola's, and then we
drove off just you know, just happy to have some food.

(13:12):
And let me tell you what, that was the best
big Mac and fries and coke I've ever had. And no,
McDonald's is not a sponsor of this podcast. And I
don't even eat that stuff anymore because I try to
stay healthy. But we drove for about another thirty minutes,
and then it was like all of a sudden, we
were back. I don't I don't even remember us transitioning

(13:35):
from there to being back, but we we suddenly we
saw things that looked like the real modern world again,
and we got gas and I started asking everybody I
could find, like, what, you know, where is this McDonald's
and how why does the road end? And everybody looks
at us like we're crazy, right, they don't know what

(13:56):
we're talking about. Well, guess what, that's not the only
time something like that has happened to me. Something perhaps
even more bizarre along those lines happened to me at
a place famous for strange happenings, Brown Mountain, site of

(14:17):
the eerie Brown Mountain Lights. When we come back from
this break, I'm going to tell you what happened to
me there, and then we'll dig into what all this
may mean. What is this thing called the odds factor
where it almost seems like that you're going about your
day and then all of a sudden you slip into

(14:37):
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Before the break, I was talking about my experience on
a bizarre road trip long ago with my buddy Casey Fox.
It seemed like we may have slipped into some type
of another dimension and back. It was hard to tell
you that story without using some bad language. There was

(18:25):
a lot of what do you know what happening on
that trip, because sometimes when you think about the the
idea of going into another dimension and then coming back,
you you think of it as being some kind of bizarre,
upside down inside out world with aliens running around where

(18:46):
you know nothing is as it should be. But actually,
maybe that's not exactly the case. Maybe there are many
many different dimensions that are kind of overlapped, and you
know they're they're stacked on top of and within each other,
and they are just slightly ajar from each other, they're

(19:09):
slightly different. If you ever played the old video game
Super Mario Brothers, let's see, I think it was. I
think it was the second one. I'm not don't don't
quote me on that. I believe it was the second one.
But it was one where sometimes your character and you
could pick Mario or Luigi or the Princess, would be

(19:32):
walking along and there would be a doorway, and if
you walked into the doorway, you would find yourself behind
the scenes of the game, so you would see the
same basic structures, except it was like a shadowy version
like your backstage, and then back there you would find

(19:56):
items that you wouldn't find out front. So it looked similar,
but just not quite the same with me on that.
So that may be a good way of envisioning what
it's like when you just occasionally slip into another dimension,
another layer, another level of this reality, and then back.

(20:16):
And before I tell you about my Brown Mountain story,
I want to mention this real quick. I think it's interesting.
When I started this podcast podcast off, I was talking
about Chris having this experience in Missouri and how that
in his email he said he was watching an interview
with a man talking about parallel universes and then he

(20:37):
had this experience. And so sometimes it makes you think
that when you expose yourself to this kind of unusual content,
it might even increase the chances of you experiencing something.
For example, years ago, I was hosting a show called
Speaking of Strange, and at that time it was a
live show, and so we would end pretty late at night,

(21:00):
and then sometimes afterward I would go to a local
bar and wind down. You know, the bars would close
in North Carolina until they usually closed about two in
the morning. And long story short, one night I was
interviewing my friend Nick Redfern about cryptids monsters, and we

(21:21):
talked about hell hounds and black dogs, these ominous dogs
that look very similar to normal black dogs, but they
are often bigger. Sometimes they have glowing red eyes. Sometimes
they're very destructive. Sometimes they appear to indicate doom and gloom.
Sometimes they appear to indicate something protective, something good. But

(21:44):
I'd interviewed him for like two hours about this subject,
and then the show is over. It's like, okay, great show.
And so I was in my car driving to go
to this bar. There was a kind of uh on
on the edge of town, next to a river, and
one of the uh people on the show a great

(22:06):
friend of mine, investigator Shelley Right. Okay, she was always
on the program, and um, you probably know Shelley right.
She was driving behind me as we were heading to
this bar, and all of a sudden, as I was
approaching this bridge, it was like, what the There was
this big, hulking black creature in the road in front

(22:30):
of me. And the only way I can really describe
it to you is it looked like a big, massive
It looked like a cross between like a bulldog and
a black bear, but it had the face of a
bat and it looked at me and its eyes just

(22:51):
shined and I don't remember them being read, but they
it definitely shined like at least that hot white, you know.
And I was stunned for a minute. And then I
jumped out of the car. And at this point Shelley,
who's behind me, She's like, what is going on? She

(23:12):
got out of the car. I'm like, look, look, look,
and this thing barreled off the road, down into the
bushes and disappeared into the shadows under the bridge. And
I'm telling you, you know, I've written books about strange creatures.
I can't explain what that was. And it wasn't until
I got to the bar and just kept going over

(23:33):
and over like, man, that was so weird. I can't
believe what I just saw. Only then I was like, oh, yeah,
we we just interviewed Nick Redfern for two hours about
this sort of thing, and he said they often appear
around bridges and water. Maybe it has something to do
with the way the energy flows and these creatures are
attracted to that. But this is just another odd little

(23:56):
spinoff idea from what Chris was saying that, you know,
he heard a guy talking about parallel universes and then boom,
next thing, you know, he experiences something along those lines.
And this is similar to maybe you know whatever my
conversation was with Nick Redfern taking hold in my mind
and making me more apt to have this this experience.

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So that said, the story that I really want to
tell you, though, is about Brown Mountain, North Carolina, in
the western part of the state there, and it is
famous for the Brown Mountain lights, these multi colored balls
of light that float on and around the ridge at night.
I could do a whole podcast about the Brown Mountain lights.
Someday I will do that. This is actually a good

(24:41):
time of year to see them, when you go outside
and the leaves are off the trees and it's cold
and rainy and uncomfortable. So a lot of strange things
happen around Brown Mountain. People see ghosts, they see aliens,
they're abducted by aliens, they see all kinds of UFOs.
There are plenty of weird creature reports time slips. I mean,

(25:01):
it's like a miniature Bermuda Triangle. If you've never looked
up the Brown Mountain lights, go to Brown Mountain Lights
dot com. That's all spelled out Brown Mountain Lights dot
Com and you can read all about it. So anyway,
I spent many years going up to Brown Mountain and
getting permits from the National Forest Service so that my

(25:22):
team and I could go behind these gates on these
service roads and explore the area around Brown Mountain, set
up tents, use you know, we'd sleep for nights in
a row with all the scientific gear, and we would
run around the mountain and adjacent mountains at night trying
to see if we could figure out what was causing

(25:43):
these lights. And one of the guys that we had
with us was active duty U. S. Army, and this
guy was an expert at reading maps, and he would
bring all the maps, every type of map you could imagine,
and uh he this this was he was one of
those guys who wasn't just in the army. He was
somebody who loved being in the army. You know. He

(26:07):
he retired, he's now retired from the army. So this
is a guy who loved being that type of military dude,
you know, who took his job very very seriously, very
detail oriented man. And so one night we decided to
go walking off down this sort of logging trail that

(26:28):
we found to see if it would take us to
a certain angle on the mountain and it looked like
it was more or less a straight shot, and there
is a fairly large group of us there were it
was all guys. I'd say, we may have had ten
people this night. And so we go walking through these woods.
This was in the fall. It was really cool and crisp,

(26:50):
and the leaves were all crackling and everything, and uh,
the moon was extremely bright. And so as we're walking
through the wood, usually there's some banter going on. And
it wasn't until we've been walking for quite a while
that I realized. It's just like occurred to me that

(27:11):
everything was absolutely silent. And the next thing, you know,
I'm just sort of standing there looking around at the
forest that's absolutely silent. And then I realized not only
is everything silent, but everything is sort of glowing blue,

(27:36):
this pale blue, you know, like the moonlight, but a
little bit more. There was like a blue edge to everything.
And for a second, it seemed like I was standing
there all by myself, perfectly quiet in these woods, not
so much as the crackle of a leaf. And then

(27:56):
I start to hear this bubbling and that's when I
look over and there is this beautiful little brook maybe about,
you know, thirty ft from me, and a little bridge
going over here. We are again, going back to running
water and a little bridge this, I mean, like scenic,

(28:19):
little cute bridge in the middle of nowhere, going over
this little bubbling brook, everything glowing blue, the trees all
around us, soaring up into the sky. And I turned around,
just like, where are the other guys? And I turned
around and all the other guys were doing the same thing.

(28:41):
We were all just standing there, just zoned out in
our own little world. Nobody was looking at me. I
was the only one looking at them. They were all
just standing just like staring either up in the sky
or down to the brook. And everything was super at
absolutely quiet. And so that's when I finally said, where

(29:05):
are we? What is that bridge? And and then like
everybody snapped out of it, and we instantly all realized
that we didn't know how long we've kind of been
sort of standing there in that state. So now we
all start walking. At this point, you know, you could
hear the leaves crackling a little bit again as we walked,
but I mean not not nearly like it should have been.

(29:27):
So we get down to this little I mean, it
looks like this was an old bridge, and I mean
it was the water. It wasn't a very big brook,
like a little creek. You know, the water was kind
of sparkling with these little blue sparkles as it was
running under the bridge. And we've we found that we're

(29:48):
kind of like down in a little valley. So at
one point I said to the army guy, what is
the you know, let's take a look at the map.
So he gets out the map, I mean, turn on
a flashlight, and there's nothing on the map. And this
is a topographical map to indicate anything about the lay
of the land or where we're where we're at, Like,

(30:09):
this is just not fitting. It's not making sense in
any way whatsoever. So we start, you know, figuring out, well,
should we just turn around and like go back out
the same way we came in, or what do we do?
And then one of the guys goes look and we
turned and then up in front of us on kind

(30:30):
of like the side of this valley is a little
old cabin, dark cabin, just sitting there quietly nestled into
the side of the hill. And so we go, what
let's go, Let's go to this cabin. So we crept
up the side of this valley as quietly as we could,

(30:52):
because we thought, are we gonna get shot? Like? Who's
in this thing? We gotta take a break when we
come back. Wait till you hear what was inside at
this cabin. All right, this is one of those things,
one of those things that just doesn't quite You'll see
what I mean. You'll see what I mean. That's what

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all right. So here we were creeping up towards this
dark cabin on the side of this valley that's sort

(34:20):
of glowing blue on this deadly silent night somewhere around
Brown Mountain, North Carolina, and you know, we were thinking Okay,
could there be some old hunter in here who's gonna
kind of come out and start just start shooting. I

(34:40):
wouldn't blame him if he did. You see a big
group of guys like us come, you know, creeping up.
But the curiosity was too much. Maybe it was gonna
kill the cat this night. We didn't know. So we
just very very carefully eased our way up this embankment.
And then when we he got to the cabin, the

(35:02):
cabin didn't really look that old. It definitely looked like,
you know it it was warned, it had been used,
it's seen some better days, but it wasn't like some
kind of decrepit thing. And so we go peeking into
the windows and we didn't see any evidence that anybody
was there. You know, there were no boots on the step,

(35:24):
there was no um, you know, none of the typical
stuff you might find maybe some candles or you know,
evidence of a grill, nothing like that. And then somebody
got bold enough to shine a flashlighting side and it
looked still like it was relatively empty, except there were

(35:46):
some utensils, and so we're thinking, like, should we go
inside this thing or not? And then you know, again
you know how it goes. Somebody said, well, the door
is not locked. So next thing you know, we are
stepping into the creaky sort of kitchen area of this
old cabin. And we walked around and there was nobody

(36:12):
in the cabin, so we're like sigh of relief. We
looked over. There were plates strewn around, there were dishes,
there were old ten cups, and there were some newspapers
and periodicals in the corner and some on the table,
and we went over and looked at them and are

(36:34):
you ready? Can you guess what I'm gonna tell you next?
There was nothing on any one of these periodicals that
was dated later than the nineteen sixties. Nothing. Some were newspapers,
some were magazines, all of it nineteen sixties or older.

(36:59):
And let me say it, they looked like they were
in pretty great condition. And it just keeps getting weirder
and weirder, until finally we all just sort of said,
you know what, maybe we just need to get out
of here. Just something didn't feel right. We all started
kind of like getting the hebe gebs and kind of
freaking out at once, and so we got out of

(37:19):
the cabin. We left it just as we found it.
We kept walking up this valley, we found another old
logging road. We trudged on and on and on. We
could never figure out what the heck was going on.
And then finally it was like some kind of miracle happened,
snaff the fingers. The next thing, you know where we
see our campsite up ahead, and we come back out

(37:42):
to our campsite. Now we have our bearings again, our
compasses are working properly. I forgot to tell you that
the compasses were not not acting the way they should
have been acting. We were getting different compass readings on
multiple compasses. Like that kind of stuff was happening. So
we said, well that we don't know exactly where we

(38:02):
were or why what happened there, but that was definitely strange.
Tomorrow we'll get to the bottom of this. We were
really just wiped out, drained, exhausted. We all went to bed.
The next day, we got up, had a hearty breakfast,
we took out the maps. We still couldn't figure out
anything like that on the map. We went out all
day long and we explored as far and as wide

(38:25):
as we could the same areas, and we never saw
anything that looked like that and since then to this day,
there has been not one shred of evidence on any
map or from anybody I've talked to to indicate that
that exists, that that little bridge over that brook next

(38:47):
to that cabin exists. What happened there? What was this
eerie moment that set in where all of a sudden
we we I mean, we saw something that seemed to
be out of its natural place and time, and then
we just slipped out of it. Well, this type of

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inexperience is what one researcher coined years ago, the odds factor.
Let me let me tell you a little bit about that.
This phrase was coined by Jenny Randalls, and it's used
by a lot of people who study weird things, but
especially people who are into UFOs and they are studying

(39:29):
missing time and that kind of thing. So here's one
description of it from Encyclopedia dot com. The Odds factor
refers to the experience of being isolated or transported by
the real world of everyday life into another environment which
is quite similar to the real world, but changed enough

(39:52):
to be noticeable and disturbing. Now, that is a great
description of it, So I'm going to read that one
more time. The odds factor, coined by Jenny Randalls, refers
to the experience of being isolated or transported by the
real world of everyday life into another environment which is

(40:14):
quite similar to the real world, but changed enough to
be noticeable and disturbing. And the thing is, I wouldn't
always say disturbing, because I would say sometimes, I mean,
it could be disturbing. Sometimes it could just be like
confusing and disorienting. And so they go on to say.
In this Encyclopedia dot Com article, they give an example.

(40:38):
A folkloreist named Peter Rockwitz sounds I believe that's how
you pronounce his name, said that he had a similar
experience in nineteen eighty while working on his pH d dissertation,
which happened to be on UFOs. While working in the library,
he had a strange encounter with a man who approached
the table at which he worked and engaged him in conversation.

(41:00):
As they talked on the subject of his dissertation, the
man suddenly shouted, accusingly, quote flying saucerers are the most
important fact of the century, and you're not interested in
quote And then the man left. So Peter there was
relieved that the guy left and thought, well, that guy

(41:22):
must have been disturbed. But when Peter tried to return
to his work, he had a feeling that all was
just not right and he just couldn't stay seated, so
he wandered around the library. He noticed that there were
no librarians staffing the desks and no patrons seemed to
be in the library, So, in a mild panic, he

(41:44):
turned to his working space and tried to settle his mind,
and an hour later, when he finally left the library,
all seemed to have returned to normal. Do you see
why people have trouble talking about these kinds of experiences?
So let me pose a possible explanation to you. We

(42:05):
think of time as a linear thing because that's the
way we depict it for the sake of convenience, as
a model on a calendar. If you look at a calendar,
it goes at a straight line from left to right Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Let's say we envision it as a strip like you

(42:27):
cut that out Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. It's a
strip of paper, isn't it, And we expect it to
always flow in a nice flat, straight line. But what
if time, in fact doesn't conform to that particular model.
What if there's just one little twist once in a while,

(42:50):
or one little bend in that strip of paper? Have
you ever heard of what's called a mobius strip? Now
this is tricky to explain. I'll do my best. You
can try this out right now on your own. Take
a strip of paper as long as you can get it.
And if you take a pen and you put it

(43:13):
at the top of that strip of paper, and you
never remove the tip of the pen from the paper,
and you draw a line as long as you can,
as long as you can, from the top to the bottom,
and until you're done, and it goes off the edge
of the paper. Will you now look, and you've only
drawn down one side of the paper. But if you

(43:34):
take an identical strip and you just put one twist
in it, and then tape the ends together so that
you have an eight and like an eight shaped figure, okay,
an eight shaped figure, and you do the same thing,
and now you put the pen on it and you

(43:55):
keep drawing that line straight down the strip of paper
without removing it from the paper. Eventually you will come
back to the place where you started. But now if
you detach the ends that you tape together and lay
it back out flat again, you will find that you

(44:18):
actually have now drawn down both sides of the paper.
You didn't even have to lift the pin. You seamlessly
traveled from one side of the paper back to the
other side. So, in other words, if you were an
aunt and you were just marching forward foot after four

(44:38):
a foot in a straight line forward, there would come
a point when you would switch from one side of
that piece of paper to the other side without even
possibly realizing it, and then eventually switching back again to
where you were. So if time per se is a

(45:00):
straight line the way we envision it, but sometimes there's
just one little twist that you might be going about
your day second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour,
and you might encounter one of these twists where you
slip onto the other side of the mobius strip where

(45:25):
things are similar because you're on the same strip of paper,
but they're just a little different, and you don't even
realize what's happened until you switch back to the other side.
And it maybe at those points when you're transitioning from
one side to the other that everything seems deadly quiet

(45:48):
because for that moment of transition, you're neither here nor there.
You're not getting full sensory input input from either side.
You are right there between realms, and that is why
everything seems sort of still and strange and disconnected when

(46:10):
you are at the moment of transition. So perhaps experiencing
the odds factor may often be the product of you
encountering a twist in space time. Now, is this something
that can just happen at any moment anywhere, like with

(46:33):
deja vu, seemingly with deja vu? Or are there certain
places on Earth that seemed to act more like portals
for this kind of thing, windows for this kind of thing. Well,
let's take a look at one of them when we
come back from the break. I want to play for
you some audio captured using parasite matics two point oh

(46:57):
of Stone Hinge in England. Now, Stonehenge. If you look
at it from above, it even looks like a big portal. Okay,
it looks like a tunnel, concentric circles leading somewhere else.
I want to play this audio for you. You know,
I love doing this and let's see if you get
anything from it. That when we come back and I

(47:19):
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Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren and welcome to the

(49:08):
final segment of this Strange Things on the I Heart
Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. I
am your host, Joshua Pete Warren, and before I played
this audio from Stone Hinge, what do you think about
that the odds factor? And is it possible that you

(49:33):
right now might actually exist simultaneously with a version of
yourself in another one of these timelines I'm talking about
some kind of adoppel ganger experience. Are there two of
you out there having slightly different existences right now? Three

(49:55):
of you, four of you, a million of you. I
want to tell you this because this is again one
of those things that you don't talk about it every day,
but that's what this show is for. When I was,
you know, in my late teens, there was this photography
shop in the town where I grew up, and I

(50:15):
would go there often to get special photographs developed. I
used to take pictures with like medium format and large
format cameras. I just always loved film and filmmaking, and
frequently I would walk in to this shop and there
was this delightful guy there who would always say, Hey, Carrie,
welcome back, you know, and I at first I wasn't

(50:37):
sure what he was saying because you know, my name
is Joshua Warren. But every time I would go in there,
he'd say, Hey, Carrie, how you doing. And so finally,
I mean, I guess I should have said something early on,
but it was just so awkward. One day I said,
you know, um, my name is Joshua. I think you're
confusing me with somebody else. And he just left and

(51:00):
blows it off, and I said, no, seriously, you know,
my name is Joshua. And when he realized that I
was not this person named Carrie who had been coming
in there getting stuff developed, it just astounded the guy.
And so and after that he never treated me quite
the same. It was like he was a little thrown
when I would walk in a few years after that,

(51:23):
I had a friend who was working with me on
a new invention. It was a fishing invention, you know,
like typically going out to catch fish. And one day
he called me up and he was cussing, and he
was angry because he said that he had talked to
some company that was interested in uh and getting this invention.

(51:47):
And the person at the company claimed that I had
called them and started arranging a deal, which was absolutely insanity.
That never ever happened, and and he thought that I
had done this. It actually ended our friendship. Uh it,
it took me off so badly. And but you know,
you can't have stuff like that happened and not question

(52:09):
your sanity for a minute and say, am my schizophrenic?
Like you know, am I am? I doing stuff sometimes
that that I'm not aware of. You know that I'm
doing well. Thank goodness, that was all remedied for me.
And I can tell you with one assurance, I am
not schizophrenic because of another extreme example of this that
happened when I started traveling to Puerto Rico. You know,

(52:32):
I eventually ended up living in Puerto Rico studying activity
in the Bermuda Triangle. When I first went to Puerto Rico,
this was a long time ago. Um I realized that
they didn't have much at all in the way of
souvenirs regarding the chupa cabra, and the chupa cabra originated
in Puerto Rico, and I saw that as a business opportunity.

(52:55):
So I had a bunch of T shirts made with
a chupacabra on them, and then I flew to Puerto
Rico by myself and I hooked up with a professional
guide and he took me in his van. He said,
I'm going to drive you to all these places around
Puerto Rico where you can go in and pitch your
T shirt. I said great. So he started driving me

(53:18):
to all these places I'd never been to before, and
I just I've I've flown in the day before. So
he drove me to this little gift shop up in
the mountains near the al Junque rain forest, and I
went inside and everybody who worked there was just oh,
great to see you again. And I was like, Okay,

(53:39):
I'm not sure what they're talking about because I've never
been there, but I figured, if this is an asset
for me making a T shirt deal, fine, So I
started talking about, you know, the T shirts and showing
them off and everything, and um, they kept saying things
to indicate like, yeah, we've been thinking about it, uh
for for a few days now, and we'd go we'd
like to go ahead and place an order. And finally

(54:00):
I just started feeling like this is too bizarre, and
I said, you know, I I've never been here before.
And and the people who worked there, and it was
a family that owned the place, they all they laughed
like they thought I was joking, and I said, no, no, seriously,
I've never I've never been here to this shop. This
is the first time ever. And when they realized I

(54:22):
was serious, they said, well, you were here three days
ago with your Chupa Cobra T shirts and we told
you we'd think about it. And that's when I got
that cold chill that went down my spine. I said,
I flew in yesterday. You know. I've been in North

(54:43):
Carolina for the past you know, six months or whatever.
I've never been here before. I don't even know where
I am. Manuel, my guide, he drove me here today,
you know. And man Well says, yeah, that's right. He
came in from the airport yesterday, you know. And I
tell you when I told him that, they looked like
they've seen a ghost. So I have proof that sometimes

(55:05):
people say yeah. And I let me tell you, I
stand out like a sore thumb in Puerto Rico. I'm
a tall guy and I look, you know, like Frosty
too snowman. I'm wearing a big, broad brimmed hat and
I walk in there with an armload of Chupa Copper
T shirts that I created that I hired an artist
to produce for me. There's there's no other explanation for

(55:26):
this than there's some version of myself, some ghost of
myself from a duplicate timeline or whatever, came in there
and did this pitch days before. I know that's hard
to believe. I know that's freaky, but again, that's in
the Bermuda Triangle. It's a place renowned for this. It's

(55:46):
like a portal Brown Mountain. It's like a portal, you know.
And so I figured, why not play some audio for
you that I extracted using parasite maatics two point oh
and some other techniques to get some audio from a
place that a lot of people also believe is a
famous portal. I'm talking about Stonehenge in England. You know.

(56:08):
I like to play audio for you when I can.
Now here are some brief facts about Stonehenge from Wikipedia.
It is a prehistoric monument, uh and it says it
consists of a ring of standing stones, each about thirteen
feet high and seven feet wide. That's four meters high
and two point one meters wide, around twenty five tons.

(56:31):
The stones are set within earthworks in the middle of
the most dense complex of Neolithic and Bronze Age monuments
in England. People have been talking about going there and
having these types of oz um experiences oz factor experiences
for years. It goes on to say Stonehenge was produced

(56:54):
by a culture that left no written records, and it
says there is little or no direct evidence revealing the
construction techniques used by the Stonehenge builders. Proposed functions include
an astronomical observatory or a religious site. One scientist suggested
this was a place of healing, similar to Lord Is.

(57:17):
They argue this accounts for the high number of burials
in the area and for the evidence of trauma deformity
in some of the graves. On the other hand, another
scientist here says that he believes it functioned as part
of a ritual passage from life to deaths to celebrate

(57:38):
ancestors and the recently deceased. Again, we're talking about the
idea of portals. I don't know. I don't know. So
I took Stonehenge. I passed it through my parasitematics two
point oh system. And you can learn about that if
you go to Joshua pe Warren dot com and scroll
down to the section on the homepage about Parasymatics and

(57:59):
click the yellowly that's got more info. I took an
overhead picture of these rings and then I played them.
Excuse me, I processed them to get a sound from
them using my system, and I haven't revealed all the
details of how I do this, but there's a lot
of information that's there on the page. So give this

(58:22):
a listen. It's about twenty seconds. See if this means
anything to you, the sound I got from stone Hinge. Okay,

(58:53):
so now I'm going to play that for you one
more time twenty seconds. Close your eyes if you can
listen to this again. All right, So look, what does

(59:25):
that mean? I don't I don't know. I mean I
always hate to play this stuff for you and suggest
something to you. But maybe you've got a feeling from that.
Maybe you got a message what I'm doing because I'm
treating a lot of these places like grooves on a record,
and I play that record through the parasim Matics two
point oh system, and I'm going to continue playing different

(59:49):
famous sites, so to speak for you on this podcast,
And if you're the type of person who likes to
play around with audio, feel free to let me know
what you come up with, what you extract. I mean,
that's why I do all this. And you know, I've
got some pretty exciting little special things on the agenda

(01:00:10):
to share with you and the very near future, using
parasite matics two point oh and other methods that I'm
going to be working on to perfect that. Sometimes these
things just speak to people. They literally hear a message,
They literally have some kind of a voice that comes forth,
And if that happens to you in particular, I'd love

(01:00:32):
to know about it as well. Um. You know, one
of the interesting things about technology we have nowadays is
you can take an image of something and you can
interpret it through many different levels of perceptive technology. And
maybe we can come up with a vibration that will
mean something special to somebody out there and give us

(01:00:55):
some kind of insight. Hey, here's a quick story for
you from Ripley's Believe it or Not Strange Coincidences. Mel
Cohen of Gravois Mills, Missouri, lost a gold Missusa, a
religious symbol, while cleaning fish on his dock and found
it five months later inside a bass he called while trolling.

(01:01:22):
Things like that make you wonder about coincidences, right, Well,
I believe that, unfortunately, is going to have to do
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(01:02:50):
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