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Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. The thoughts and
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the subject matter and your needs. You find a wizard
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of weird. This is Strange Things with Joshua Warren. I
am Joshua pe Warren and he's weak. On this show,
I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises,
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and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more on this edition of the show. Tim Are Swartz,
Enter Dimensionals, Commander x Oh, that Whole Mystery and more
you know. Earlier this year, my old pal Timothy Green
Beckley died. He was one of the greatest paranormal researchers
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and writers of all time, and through him I learned
about one of his partners in crime, Mr Tim R. Swartz,
who could easily throw his hat in the ring as
one of the most interesting men in the world. Now,
if you toss out a weird subject, Tim Swartz has
got it covered, trust me. He's an Indiana Nate of
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and Emmy Award winning television producer and videographer, and he's
the author of a number of popular books, including The
Lost Journals of Nicola Tesla, Incredible Alien Encounters, Jeff the
Talking Mongoose, and Admiral Bird's Secret Journey Beyond the Polls.
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He has also appeared on the History Channel programs Ancient Aliens, Evidence,
Ancient Aliens Declassified, all kinds of programs all over the world.
His website is Conspiracy journal dot com. And I figured
it was about high time for me to have him
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on this show, so I called him up and here
is my interview with him. Tim are Swartz, Welcome to
the show. All right, Thank you, Josh Straw. As usual,
it's a pleasure to talk with you again. Oh gosh,
you know you are of the most fascinating people in
the world. You're a prolific author. You've written about so
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many mind boggling things that it's difficult to know where
to begin. With you. So let's just start by me
asking you, uh, where an Indiana that you're from and
where you ended up now and your description of what
you do. Well, sure, well, I mean originally I was
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born and raised in central Indiana. And then after you know,
I got out of college and started my career in television.
You know, I moved around quite a bit from different markets.
Uh finally ended up for a while back in Indianapolis,
and uh now we're we're living in southwestern Indiana. I'm
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have retired for the most part from the television business,
but that's allowed me to pursue my other interest, which
is the world of the weird, which I mean, you know,
I've always been interested and kept my my big toe
in the waters of of the strange and unusual, but
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all from the past, I don't know, more than twenty years,
cash twenty five years, I've I've really gotten back deep
into it, written books on television shows, you know, you
name it, and I've been involved. So now, what got
you sort of involved in such a weird genre? What
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made you decide to pursue this field? Well, I was
kind of a drug kicking in screaming into it, you know,
I've been a lot of your guests to you know,
have have replied to that question that they've been in
it since they were a kid. It's kind of the
same way with me. But I was given a class
assignment one day, uh, based on the current headlines. Everybody
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in the class was own a class assignment. And uh.
I was given a story about UFOs. And I didn't
know what UFOs could have cared less. You know, I
was a who's your boy? I was interested in basketball
and uh, the Indianapolis five things like that. Oh, I mean,
you know, I was interested in science and maybe like
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rockets and ace travel, but UFOs, forget about it. So
I gave my presentation, you know, and uh and and
from that point on, I was the flying saucer guy
at the school. I was the guy who believed in
UFOs and little green men from Mars and everything like that.
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And I couldn't I couldn't escape it. But what was
interesting is that, you know, people would come up to
me when there was nobody else around and say, you know,
I don't believe that kind of stuff. But and then
they proceed to tell me a story about how when
their family was on vacation they they saw you know,
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a UFO over their car or their you know, they're
great ant Matilda, who died two weeks previously, has been
uh creeping around their bedroom in the middle of the night.
And it was these individual stories from people that really
got me interested in all this because these were people
who they weren't looking for publicity. They you know, they
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were looking for a way to make money off of this.
Now they were just trying to figure out what in
the heck is going on, because really, I mean, for
most people, this kind of stuff is really unknown to them.
You know, that is, unless they're watching a lot of
reality television, because you know that a lot of these
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types of you know, big foot hunters and ghost hunters
and all over the place and the streaming. But for
most people, they don't, you know, they could care less.
And when somebody goes and has an out of the
norm experience, it's really hard to place that into that
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little filing system that we all have in our brains,
you know. I mean, we get up in the morning,
we have a cup of coffee, we go to work,
stop it, stoplights, come home. You know, all of that
is filed away. But if you're going to work one
day and this disc, giant disc comes down out of
the sky, sits down in front of your car, and
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little guys come out and collect rocks and plants and
stuff and then fly away. Where do you put that?
Where do you file that away in your head? And
that makes a lot of people crazy, And they can't
tell anybody. Oh God forbid if they tried to tell that,
you know, even a family member, because they'd be laughed
out of the house. I mean, there'll be the butt
of the joke or Thanksgiving from the next twenty years.
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So these people would come to me and they'd say,
you know, you'll probably think I'm crazy. But and then
you know, they tell me the story and you can
see the weight lifted off of their shoulders. What I
would say to them, well, you know, that's that's a
fascinating story. You know, there's been a lot of people
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over the years who have had similar events, And no,
you're not crazy, And I'm not gonna laugh at yet.
You know, I always enjoyed the Commander X books and
are late pal Tim Beckley, whom you knew very well,
said that a lot of the Commander X material was
written by Jim Keith but you have contributed to the
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Commander X books as well, right, Yes, I actually helped
whoever command Or X was UH finish up a number
of books. I mean, UH. One of the earliest assignments
that I ever got from Tim Beckley was to uh
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finish a series of books that Commander X had UH
contracted Tim to write but then experienced health problems and
couldn't finish it. So Beckley approached me and UH sent
me the material that he had and then actually gave
my mailing address. You know, we were still doing everything
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you know, by mail at that point, to whomever Commander
X was UH to send me any additional material. And
then you know, we communicated by mail back and forth
a number of times, and I finished, like the original
invisibility book that that he was writing. There was one
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about time travel and UH and then one about um
conspiracies involving acorn societies, UH, Nazi infiltration and things like that.
So so yeah, you know the UH and then you know,
continued that relationship for a few more years until I
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don't know, you know, Uh, I'd say, you'd have to
ask him Backley whatever happened to Commander I. But you
can't ask him now either unfortunately, but but yeah, I mean,
you know, the material that was always said to me
was just always fascinating, and uh, I wish, you know,
like everybody else, I wish I knew exactly who it
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was that I was collaborating with. But unfortunately, at this point,
I don't think I'll ever know. That is so strange.
I mean, Commander X could be dead then for all
we know, uh could very well be, because you know it, Uh,
it was one of these situations where just all of
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a sudden, the mail just stopped coming. And uh, this
was fairly early on in the early days of the internet,
you know, and we had just established an email like
its kind of like a mutual email account for myself,
Tim Beckley, and a lot of the other writers, uh,
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for global communications, we'd all use the same email, you know,
communicate back and forth with each other. And it also
it served a good purpose to put it out there
for anybody who was interested in uh, you know, books
and other types of communications, they could just send it
to this one central email and uh, the original Commander
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X was part of that, and just one day that
was it. We just never heard from him again. And
I suspect that Tim Beckley knew what was going on, um,
but what never was ever really forthcoming on just exactly
what was happening. I mean, you know how Tim could
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be if he didn't want to answer a question, he
could duct and dodge it. And you know better than
I think anybody that I knew, And that was a
situation with with Commander X. So considering that what I
said in the the the early days of my writing
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for Tim, it was collaborating with Commander X because of
his health problems, I've often wondered whether or not he
didn't just finally succumbed to whatever it was was going
on with me. Wait, do you hear what we get
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let's get back to my interview with the leg Gendery.
Tim are sorts. You and Tim Beckley and the circle
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of researchers around you have studied such a diverse group
of topics. I mean, you know, it seems like that
regardless whether or not one begins with aliens and UFOs
or ghosts or monsters or psychic activity, they all hint
at the existence of other realms and interdimensional contacts. So
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let's just start there. What's your view on how all
this stuff connects? M M. Well, you know that was
one of the reasons that that Tim Backley like working
with me is because I've I've always been interested in
all of that stuff that you just mentioned and more
and uh could uh could always uh whip out a
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number of books in a short order just because of
my interests and knowledge ace. But I think that a
lot of this stuff UFOs, paranormal phenomenal ghosts, cryptic creatures
are somehow connected, um whether or not they're originating from
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the same source or originating from different sources, but then
have some kind of upfront similarities. It's it's hard for
me to say. I try to keep because you know,
people will you know, people go, you know, you're you
believe in UFOs and I'm like, well, that's your that's
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the wrong question. You know, you're asking the wrong question
because I don't believe in anything. That's what I usually
tell people, because if you start believing in something, then
if you're presented with new information and evidence on sub jake,
than a belief system can interfere with UH, you know,
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letting that new information in. And I always am open
to new information. So, you know, believing in UFOs or
believing that, say UFOs are extraterrestrial, or believing that ghosts
are spirits of those who have passed on is not
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something that I would say. My response a lot of
times is I think that there is actually something going on.
I think that people are seeing unusual things in the sky,
or people are experiencing some kind of uh phenomena in
a house that's uh supposedly haunted or whatever. But what
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you know, what is the root cause about all those things?
To me, that is still unknown. And that's why we're
doing all of this stuff. This is why UH doing
our research and investigations and writing books and talking about
it on the on radio shows because we don't really know,
you know, I mean I've got personal favorites, you know.
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I mean I love the idea that say, UFOs could
be time travelers. I mean, I think that's a fascinating concept.
And and in fact, if you are dealing with, say
a physical craft of some kind that may be visiting
us from another world, more than likely for it to
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be able to travel through space, it's going to have
to be a time machine of some kind too, in
order to navigate the God knows how many light years
away that they're coming from. Uh so, uh, you know,
I take time travel even from our own future. Is
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is a fascinating concept, you know, the same thing with
the possibility that we're dealing with, um, what would be
I think erroneously referred to as interdimensional beings? Um I
I you know, that's that's kind of an old science
fiction type of concept. But I, you know, I I do.
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I do think that we live in a universe that
has multiple realities kind of stacked upon one another, and
that you know, in some of those they may have
been able to figure out how to you know, kind
of like the television show sliders to be able to
navigate from one or or the other. You know that
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that could be a good explanation on why with um UFOs,
where the occupants have been seen that almost inevitably the
the entities are humanoid, which, considering what we know about say,
like you know, evolution, it would be highly unusual for
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another planet in another solar system or another galaxy to
develop intelligent life that looks so close like us as
to be a lot of times almost indistinguishable from humans.
Um you know, the same thing with cryptid creatures. I mean,
are we dealing with actual physical primates that are smart
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enough that does somehow they've managed to keep themselves hidden
from us, you know, in in in the woods and
in caves and things like that all these years, Or
are we dealing with something that has the ability to
briefly make a physical appearance in our reality and then
fade back to wherever it is that they came from. So,
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I mean, I think that's what makes all of these
different types of phenomena so fascinating. Eating is because on
the surface they look like that they could be easily explainable,
but as you delve deeper into all of the accounts
that have been presented to us over the years. We
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can see that it's a lot more complex than uh,
you know, we would and then we can ever imagine,
and that's that's really what is so fascinating about all
of it. Oh yeah, And in fact, we probably have
a similar view, and that when you're functioning as a
writer and you're trying to speculate on some of these
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really odd things that don't always fit together so well,
you have to have some kind of a working model
to rely on there that you can use to help
sort of explain what might be happening, like you say,
realities that are stacked upon them. But now it's becoming
more and more possible that reality is actually a sophisticated
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version of what we now call virtual reality, that this
may just be some kind of a big program, if
you will, similar to the Internet, and that it can
get hacked either by ourselves or by other beings out there,
and that maybe the internet and virtual reality is a
very good crude model of what is happening here on
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a larger scale, given what we know about what's possible
with modern technology. How do you think that that fits
into this mystery of the flexibility of reality. Somebody not
too long ago made a very interesting point, I think,
on the possibility that we are living in a uh simulation,
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and then they pointed out that, uh, you know, all
the time that's you know, we experience really what would
just be called glitches in our reality, whether it would
be the so called Mandela effect or you know, uh
weird synchronicities or even you know, very bizarre things like
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you know, seeing UFOs goes decryptids. And they pointed out that, uh,
if we are living in a simulation, a constructed simulation
by some other intelligence, it's not going to be perfect,
and that there are going to be bugs that get
into the software every now and then, and that the
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possibility that that these these weird things that we experience
are the results of these bugs, uh or at an
extreme case, you know, maybe a virus accidentally infecting the system.
But uh, you know, it's uh it's an interesting idea,
you know. I mean the late writer science fiction writer,
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Philip K. Dick. I mean, he gave a talk in uh,
France one time that was recorded on video, you know,
and you can find it on YouTube if you just
uh you know, go and look for it. And I
mean he talked about this. It was like in the
late seventies, I think, is what it was. And I
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mean that's basically what he was saying. He was he
was saying that he thinks that reality is a simulation
of some kind. And you know a lot of his
books that he wrote about um took that tax that
that reality is never what we think that it is.
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And uh, and I would have to agree with him.
I mean, there there are so many odd things that
go on in our lives all the time. Yeah, maybe
these glitches in the matrix are small opportunities for us
to glance behind the curtain once in a while and
get a clearer look at how all this has assembled.
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When we come back from this break, you will hear
me ask Tim Swartz about one of the strange personal
experiences he has had. And he told me one of
the weirdest stories I have ever heard. Now you know me,
and coming from me, that means a lot, not just
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because of what happened, but because of the investigative work
that he did. And you know, he's a good researcher,
He's a trustworthy guy. Wait until you hear of this.
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast, a am paranormal podcast network. I'm
your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show
where the unusual becomes usual. And now get ready for
a really weird story from Tim are Sworts. Well, when
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it comes to your fascination with all this stuff, have
you had any personal experiences with any of these things
that stand out in your mind, and we're particularly influential.
One time, when I was working at station in Dayton, Ohio. UH,
my assignment editor, who knew I was interested in this
kind of stuff, told me that they had gotten a
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phone call from these uh, these people from Springfield, Ohio
who had seen an earlier report about Polder guist activity
that was going on in Columbus, Ohio, very very famous
case at the time. This would have been the middle
nineteen eighties, and UH wanted to know if there was,
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you know, we had any information for them. So I
went to their house and took my my camera equipment
with me, not intending to do a news story on this,
but wanted to try to capture whatever I could on
this three quarter inch equipment that we were using at
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the time. And the household was experiencing the Polder geist activity.
This was an elderly couple UH that they had kind
of adopted their grandchildren, a little boy and a little
girl because both their parents were in jail. And not
too long after these children the boy was about a
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the girl was about eleven going onto twelve. Uh. Not
too long after the kids arrived, then the house started
experiencing kind of like low level uh poldergeist wrapped on
the wall, things disappearing, furniture moving around, that sort of thing.
So when I was there, as soon as I almost
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as soon as I got into the house, every battery
on my equipment die was just dead. And I had
charged it all before I left. And now you're talking
about these were these you know, the big nightcad batteries
at the camera, and then the recording decks used, and
not only were they dead, but the extras that I
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brought with me were dead as well. And we were
sitting on the couch talking about what was going on,
and all of a sudden we heard it sounded like
this huge bang somewhere in the house, and the uh,
the wife that to me, oh, it's getting ready to start.
I don't like what. And then but they're like, well,
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a lot of times before things start, you we hear,
you know, what sounds like an explosion or something. And
then all of a sudden, just right in front of us,
from the ceiling, little rocks start falling down and they
would it looked like to me, and you know, I
mean like maybe you know, five o'clock in the afternoon,
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so I mean, it wasn't dark or anything like that.
But it looked like that these rocks were appearing like
just right below the ceiling and then falling to the floor.
And I picked them up, and they look like they're
like little white pieces of gravel that you would find
find out your driveway. And in fact, they had a
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gravel driveway, and the rocks were exactly the same. Well,
maybe about seven or eight rocks fell down, So I
picked them up and marked them with a magic marker
with a an X, and then went out the back door,
and you know, they were in a they were out
in the country, and there was a corn field like
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just right behind them. And this would have been about August,
so the corn was pretty high. So I took these
rocks and I chucked them all out into the corn field.
No sooner than I came back and sat down on
the couch than rocks started falling down from the same places.
And it was the same rocks with the with the
X on them. WHOA yeah and uh, And I said,
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you know, the I could see everybody in the household.
The two adults were in the living room with me.
Down the hallway were the little boy and the little
girl in one of their rooms. I could see them
sitting on the bed playing a game of some kind,
so unless and then you know, and then a little
bit later I went up and they had it wasn't
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much of an attic. It was more like a you know,
like a crawl space type of attic with uh installation
and then two by fours, So it would have been
really hard for anybody to have been hiding up there.
There's no holes in the ceiling that I could see,
so I don't know, you know. Uh. They told me
that afterwards, after that event, um, that the the activity
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just kind of almost stopped, almost completely stopped within you know,
a few days after that. It was like whatever energies
were taking place in that house, that kind of uh
you know, spent their lot and and that was it.
But that was probably one of the most amazing things
that that that ever occurred to me, out of several others. Yeah,
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that is one of the weirdest stories I've heard, because
if this were a hoax, then somebody in that house
would have had to slip outside, find those rocks that
you just chucked out into the corn field or whatever,
and then get them back in position them and go
through the whole process again without you noticing anything weird,
right right? Well? And you know, and the other thing is,
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h why why did that? These people? You know, they
weren't interested in you know, in fact, they wanted to
make sure that I wasn't going to put this on television. Uh,
you know, because they were very cautious when I showed
up with this equipment and I told him, no, this
was just to you know, to record everything as best
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as I could. You know. They weren't going to write
a book or anything like that. They just wanted to
know what was going on and how it could be stopped.
You know. You know, before this, they had no idea.
They had never even heard of, you know, of the
Polder guys. But they saw the story that our station
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had ran about the uh, the Roach Polder guy's case
going on in Columbus and around the same time, and
they were like, Hey, this is what's happening with us.
Our consciousness are our ultimate being, you know, spirit, soul,
whatever it is that that you would want to call
it probably exists not only in this reality, but in
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an infinite number of realities all at the same time. Uh.
When when you hear people talking about reincarnation, past lives
even future lives. I think that we are having those
experiences at the same time that we're having our present experience,
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all right, that the concept of past, present, and future
is wrong, that it's all occurring at the very same
time and the same way with all of these uh
multiple infinite realities. Everything is existing all at the same time.
So you know, if we if we could get a
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better idea of of how our consciousness actually interacts with
this universe, well, that would be a marvelous thing to
uh to study. So now the simplest question of all,
what is the meaning of life? Oh? My gosh, um, Well,
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you know, okay, I to me, I think the meaning
of life is to um is the pursuit of knowledge,
because I mean, you know, you could say, well, you know,
the meaning to apply it is to you know, find
love and to make other you make yourself and make
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others happy. Well, you know, the pursuit of knowledge uh
involves all of that as well. Uh. So I mean
I think that I think that we are here to
try to learn about ourselves, about others, and about the
world that we live in. And in doing so, I
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think that will you know, we'll develop a greater empathy. Uh,
for not only others, but for ourselves as well. My
old mentor, Charles Yost, a scientist, said the meaning of
life is to learn, and I think that means we're
all on the same page there, and uh, I couldn't
(37:31):
agree more. We have to take a break, and when
we come back, I will I'll conclude this conversation with
Tim Schwartz. But I just want to jump in here
and say that when he's talking about these stones, these
little rocks falling from the ceiling, you know that's really
it's really weird. But it reminds me of how often
I hear similar stories when coins are falling instead of rocks.
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And to be honest with you, I don't know, I mean,
why that happens unless you have a particular case where
let's say, you know, Grandpa used to give me a
quarter every time I saw him, and after he died,
now quarters will fall. You know that kind of synchronicity
can happen. But if you have an idea as to
how to explain this, I'd like to hear about it.
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If you go to Joshua P. Warren dot com, you
can scroll down the home page there and you will
find my email address. But let me warn you. Okay.
I get over five thousand emails per week, and I
do my best to read them all, but I cannot
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(38:41):
I got a guy who emailed me the other day
and he said, I have emailed you three times and
you have an emailed me back. Have I offended you somehow?
I think, well, now you have, do you? I mean,
I don't think people realise how many messages I guess.
I said, what do you want to talk about? And
(39:05):
so he wrote me back and he said, I'm just
wondering when you go to certain locations, do you ever
get anxiety attacks? I said, no, that was it. That
was it. Anyway. I'm gonna be on a television show
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later this month. I'm recording this podcast in November of one,
and I think it might end up being kind of
a controversial show. I'll tell you about it when we return.
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is the conclusion of my interview with a great tim
Are Sworts. Well, the clock is almost got us, so
(42:37):
let me just tell you. I would like for you
to take as as much time as you want to
tell all the listeners whatever you want to tell them.
You tell them about your website, the books that you've written,
any books that you're publishing that other people have written,
any events you have coming up, just uh, whatever you
want to promote. The floor is yours all right? Thank you? Well? Um,
(42:59):
all of books and I've I've got a few of them,
you know, five or sex Tener twenty. Yeah, you can
find them all on Amazon dot com. Uh just you
can just type in my name, Tim Schwartz and they'll
they'll pop up. My website is Conspiracy Journal dot com
(43:20):
and uh I've shared that over the years with the
late great Timothy green Buckley. UM. I also had a
little publishing company of my own, and we've just recently
released a new book called The Secrets of Telepathic Control
by Kang and Sinha and uh ms missus Singa. Sinha
(43:45):
has also published the book Creatures of Thought, which has
been very very popular. It deals with the the the
whole uh Taulpa phenomena and the the mental manipulations of laity.
So I highly recommend both of those books. We just
recently myself and Shaun cass Steele. Uh we're able to
(44:09):
recently finish Tim Beckley's book called Dulcie Warriors that Tim
had been working on at the time of his passing.
So uh we had were able to get ahold of
all of his chapters and uh notes and everything and
uh and get that finished. And that has now been
(44:33):
released and published and is available on Amazon dot com
as well. And so you know, we're myself and John
cass Steele are working on some new books along the
same lines as what we've always liked to publish over
the years. And uh, you know, we'll be making some
announcements in the near future on what their titles will be, alrighty,
(44:54):
And of course I'm even included in the Dulci book.
That was certainly an honor and I'll to tell everybody
more about that on this show soon. But Tim are sports.
You have done a fantastic job of opening minds in
the most fascinating ways, and I know we're going to
stay in touch. I can't wait to see what you
(45:15):
do next. So thank you so much for your epic
work and for being on the show. Well, I thank you,
Joshua for having me on, and I hope your audience
enjoyed it as well. Yeah, his website is Conspiracy Journal
dot com. And sure enough, he sent me a copy
of this new book that he has published, and it's
(45:36):
called Secrets of Telepathic Control, How to develop your psychic
powers and have others obey your Silent Commands. And I
think I royally screwed up because when he sent this
to me, I thought, you know, I'm really busy, uh,
(45:58):
and it's gonna be like a few days before I
can read this book. So I gave it to my
wife Lauren and said, hey, if you want to read
this book, you know, let me know how it is.
And then like an hour later, I said, ah, crap,
I just gave my wife a book called how to
(46:20):
Develop your Psychic Powers and have others Obey your Silent Commands.
There's literally a woman on the cover with a big
you know, like spiral vortex controlling you, and I'm trying
to get it back from her. Uh. So, look, do
not make the mistake that I made. If you do
(46:41):
not want your partner to get this before you do,
I imagine. So I don't know. If I start acting weird,
you'll know what's going on. Also, if you go to
conspiracy journal dot com, you will see this book. He
mentioned dull Say Warriors about the underground alien facility that
they say is around dulsin New Mexico. And sure enough,
(47:04):
this is the last book that Tim Beckley was working on.
And I was at Tim Beckley's apartment in New York,
I think in two thousand and seven, and I sat
down in and put him on camera and I interviewed
him for a documentary that I was making. And then
when we were done, he said, well, now I want
to interview you, and and so we traded places and
(47:28):
he filmed me and he interviewed me about the mystery
of the Brown Mountain lights because a lot of people
talk about there being an underground alien base there Brown
Mountain and so, uh, Tim Beckley said some very kind
things about me in the book and uh, and then
he has the transcript in there. So that's a really
nice thing to have. And you know, go to Conspiracy
(47:50):
journal dot com or you know, Amazon dot com to
to find those things. We're definitely going to keep in
touch with Mr Tim are Sorts. So again, I am
recording this show in November of two thousand twenty one.
And so for those of you who happened to be
(48:10):
listening um to the fresh recording, I'm gonna be on
a I'm gonna be in a documentary. They're calling it
a shock doc. Uh. The day after Thanksgiving, November twenty
six one. It's called Demon In the White House. And
you may recall me talking about White House ghost earlier,
(48:32):
uh this year on a podcast. And you know, I
say it controversial because you here Demon in the White House. Well,
you know you can you can take that twist it
in a lot of ways. But here's what the travel
channel dot com website says. Is it possible to grieving
mothers dabbling in seances inside the presidential residence conjured something
(48:56):
other than their beloved sons? Shock dot Demon in the
White House premieres on Discovery Plus on Friday, November twenty six,
So that's a streaming thing Discovery Plus and then supposedly
eventually it will end up on the Travel Channel as well.
So let me try to read some more of this. Um,
(49:17):
I think I got enough time here. The Seat of
Power at six dred Pennsylvania Avenue, maybe the most haunted
site in the world. The new shot doc Demon in
the White House, launching Friday November six, Discovery Plus uncloaks
the historic origins of the horror of two grieving first ladies.
(49:38):
Did they unwittingly invite an evil presence with the malevolent
agenda that may still torment America's presidents as well? As
their families, visitors and closest advisers. President Franklin Pierce and
First Lady Jane Pierce lost their son Benjamin at age eleven.
President Abraham Lincoln and First Lady Mary Todd son William
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died at the same age. Both children perished during their
father's administration. The Shock doc thriller opens archival papers, correspondence,
and diaries to document a timeline of supernatural events that
unfolded after these grieving families saw solace in the fashionable
new spiritualism and seance movement and the potential catastrophic consequences
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that followed. And then they go into say, as new
presidential families moved into the White House over the past
a hundred and fifty years, they're continued to be supernatural
activity and strange happenings within the walls of this famous residence.
Uh goodness, this is kind of long. This is Harry Truman.
(50:44):
Harry Truman, who wrote several letters to family members explaining
the disturbances, said that uh, I'd see. He talked about
it on nine separate occasions that he wrote about the
ghost of the White House and once said, quote sure,
as shooting the places wunted, he did, he did, I've
actually seen that correspondence, it's true, And then Uh says
(51:08):
here it is believed that renovating a building can stir
up ghostly activity. When the White House was being gutted,
Truman hired National Park Service photographer Abbey Row to document
this historic process. And one ordinary photo shows a bulldozer
and three men standing in a corner, and on the
other side of the frame is a figure that appears transparent. Uh. That's,
(51:32):
of course the photograph that I extensively investigated and did
little documentary about, which you can watch if you go
to Joshua pe Warren dot com and click the link
to World's Wildest Ghost Photos. By the way, you know what,
I almost forgot to mention this after talking to um
(51:52):
the Tim Schwartz about the situation with Commander X. I
think some young, ambitious filmmakers should go out there and
get to the bottom of who Commander X was and
do a documentary about that. Wouldn't that be cool? I
would watch that a Commander who was Commander X documentary anyway.
So yeah, if you are on Discovery Plus, you can
(52:15):
see me. And I haven't seen it yet, so I'm
taking a risk by promoting it. I hope I don't
look luck some dufits on there. You never know. Okay,
my friends, it's time for us to wrap this particular
show up, and so let's do it in the usual way.
Shall we take a deep breath, close your eyes, relax,
(52:40):
and absorb the good fortune of the good fortune. Tom
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and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more on this edition of the show. Tim Are Swartz,
Enter Dimensionals, Commander x Oh, that Whole Mystery and more
you know. Earlier this year, my old pal Timothy Green
Beckley died. He was one of the greatest paranormal researchers
(01:38):
and writers of all time, and through him I learned
about one of his partners in crime, Mr Tim R. Swartz,
who could easily throw his hat in the ring as
one of the most interesting men in the world. Now,
if you toss out a weird subject, Tim Swartz has
got it covered, trust me. He's an Indiana Nate of
(02:00):
and Emmy Award winning television producer and videographer, and he's
the author of a number of popular books, including The
Lost Journals of Nicola Tesla, Incredible Alien Encounters, Jeff the
Talking Mongoose, and Admiral Bird's Secret Journey Beyond the Polls.
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He has also appeared on the History Channel programs Ancient Aliens, Evidence,
Ancient Aliens Declassified, all kinds of programs all over the world.
His website is Conspiracy journal dot com. And I figured
it was about high time for me to have him
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on this show, so I called him up and here
is my interview with him. Tim are Swartz, Welcome to
the show. All right, Thank you, Josh Straw. As usual,
it's a pleasure to talk with you again. Oh gosh,
you know you are of the most fascinating people in
the world. You're a prolific author. You've written about so
(03:05):
many mind boggling things that it's difficult to know where
to begin. With you. So let's just start by me
asking you, uh, where an Indiana that you're from and
where you ended up now and your description of what
you do. Well, sure, well, I mean originally I was
(03:26):
born and raised in central Indiana. And then after you know,
I got out of college and started my career in television.
You know, I moved around quite a bit from different markets.
Uh finally ended up for a while back in Indianapolis,
and uh now we're we're living in southwestern Indiana. I'm
(03:48):
have retired for the most part from the television business,
but that's allowed me to pursue my other interest, which
is the world of the weird, which I mean, you know,
I've always been interested and kept my my big toe
in the waters of of the strange and unusual, but
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all from the past, I don't know, more than twenty years,
cash twenty five years, I've I've really gotten back deep
into it, written books on television shows, you know, you
name it, and I've been involved. So now, what got
you sort of involved in such a weird genre? What
(04:32):
made you decide to pursue this field? Well, I was
kind of a drug kicking in screaming into it, you know,
I've been a lot of your guests to you know,
have have replied to that question that they've been in
it since they were a kid. It's kind of the
same way with me. But I was given a class
assignment one day, uh, based on the current headlines. Everybody
(04:59):
in the class was own a class assignment. And uh.
I was given a story about UFOs. And I didn't
know what UFOs could have cared less. You know, I
was a who's your boy? I was interested in basketball
and uh, the Indianapolis five things like that. Oh, I mean,
you know, I was interested in science and maybe like
(05:22):
rockets and ace travel, but UFOs, forget about it. So
I gave my presentation, you know, and uh and and
from that point on, I was the flying saucer guy
at the school. I was the guy who believed in
UFOs and little green men from Mars and everything like that.
(05:44):
And I couldn't I couldn't escape it. But what was
interesting is that, you know, people would come up to
me when there was nobody else around and say, you know,
I don't believe that kind of stuff. But and then
they proceed to tell me a story about how when
their family was on vacation they they saw you know,
(06:07):
a UFO over their car or their you know, they're
great ant Matilda, who died two weeks previously, has been
uh creeping around their bedroom in the middle of the night.
And it was these individual stories from people that really
got me interested in all this because these were people
who they weren't looking for publicity. They you know, they
(06:31):
were looking for a way to make money off of this.
Now they were just trying to figure out what in
the heck is going on, because really, I mean, for
most people, this kind of stuff is really unknown to them.
You know, that is, unless they're watching a lot of
reality television, because you know that a lot of these
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types of you know, big foot hunters and ghost hunters
and all over the place and the streaming. But for
most people, they don't, you know, they could care less.
And when somebody goes and has an out of the
norm experience, it's really hard to place that into that
(07:17):
little filing system that we all have in our brains,
you know. I mean, we get up in the morning,
we have a cup of coffee, we go to work,
stop it, stoplights, come home. You know, all of that
is filed away. But if you're going to work one
day and this disc, giant disc comes down out of
the sky, sits down in front of your car, and
(07:38):
little guys come out and collect rocks and plants and
stuff and then fly away. Where do you put that?
Where do you file that away in your head? And
that makes a lot of people crazy, And they can't
tell anybody. Oh God forbid if they tried to tell that,
you know, even a family member, because they'd be laughed
out of the house. I mean, there'll be the butt
of the joke or Thanksgiving from the next twenty years.
(08:03):
So these people would come to me and they'd say,
you know, you'll probably think I'm crazy. But and then
you know, they tell me the story and you can
see the weight lifted off of their shoulders. What I
would say to them, well, you know, that's that's a
fascinating story. You know, there's been a lot of people
(08:24):
over the years who have had similar events, And no,
you're not crazy, And I'm not gonna laugh at yet.
You know, I always enjoyed the Commander X books and
are late pal Tim Beckley, whom you knew very well,
said that a lot of the Commander X material was
written by Jim Keith but you have contributed to the
(08:47):
Commander X books as well, right, Yes, I actually helped
whoever command Or X was UH finish up a number
of books. I mean, UH. One of the earliest assignments
that I ever got from Tim Beckley was to uh
(09:08):
finish a series of books that Commander X had UH
contracted Tim to write but then experienced health problems and
couldn't finish it. So Beckley approached me and UH sent
me the material that he had and then actually gave
my mailing address. You know, we were still doing everything
(09:30):
you know, by mail at that point, to whomever Commander
X was UH to send me any additional material. And
then you know, we communicated by mail back and forth
a number of times, and I finished, like the original
invisibility book that that he was writing. There was one
(09:52):
about time travel and UH and then one about um
conspiracies involving acorn societies, UH, Nazi infiltration and things like that.
So so yeah, you know the UH and then you know,
continued that relationship for a few more years until I
(10:17):
don't know, you know, Uh, I'd say, you'd have to
ask him Backley whatever happened to Commander I. But you
can't ask him now either unfortunately, but but yeah, I mean,
you know, the material that was always said to me
was just always fascinating, and uh, I wish, you know,
like everybody else, I wish I knew exactly who it
(10:38):
was that I was collaborating with. But unfortunately, at this point,
I don't think I'll ever know. That is so strange.
I mean, Commander X could be dead then for all
we know, uh could very well be, because you know it, Uh,
it was one of these situations where just all of
(11:00):
a sudden, the mail just stopped coming. And uh, this
was fairly early on in the early days of the internet,
you know, and we had just established an email like
its kind of like a mutual email account for myself,
Tim Beckley, and a lot of the other writers, uh,
(11:22):
for global communications, we'd all use the same email, you know,
communicate back and forth with each other. And it also
it served a good purpose to put it out there
for anybody who was interested in uh, you know, books
and other types of communications, they could just send it
to this one central email and uh, the original Commander
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X was part of that, and just one day that
was it. We just never heard from him again. And
I suspect that Tim Beckley knew what was going on, um,
but what never was ever really forthcoming on just exactly
what was happening. I mean, you know how Tim could
(12:06):
be if he didn't want to answer a question, he
could duct and dodge it. And you know better than
I think anybody that I knew, And that was a
situation with with Commander X. So considering that what I
said in the the the early days of my writing
(12:26):
for Tim, it was collaborating with Commander X because of
his health problems, I've often wondered whether or not he
didn't just finally succumbed to whatever it was was going
on with me. Wait, do you hear what we get
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let's get back to my interview with the leg Gendery.
Tim are sorts. You and Tim Beckley and the circle
(15:07):
of researchers around you have studied such a diverse group
of topics. I mean, you know, it seems like that
regardless whether or not one begins with aliens and UFOs
or ghosts or monsters or psychic activity, they all hint
at the existence of other realms and interdimensional contacts. So
(15:31):
let's just start there. What's your view on how all
this stuff connects? M M. Well, you know that was
one of the reasons that that Tim Backley like working
with me is because I've I've always been interested in
all of that stuff that you just mentioned and more
and uh could uh could always uh whip out a
(15:54):
number of books in a short order just because of
my interests and knowledge ace. But I think that a
lot of this stuff UFOs, paranormal phenomenal ghosts, cryptic creatures
are somehow connected, um whether or not they're originating from
(16:17):
the same source or originating from different sources, but then
have some kind of upfront similarities. It's it's hard for
me to say. I try to keep because you know,
people will you know, people go, you know, you're you
believe in UFOs and I'm like, well, that's your that's
(16:41):
the wrong question. You know, you're asking the wrong question
because I don't believe in anything. That's what I usually
tell people, because if you start believing in something, then
if you're presented with new information and evidence on sub jake,
than a belief system can interfere with UH, you know,
(17:05):
letting that new information in. And I always am open
to new information. So, you know, believing in UFOs or
believing that, say UFOs are extraterrestrial, or believing that ghosts
are spirits of those who have passed on is not
(17:26):
something that I would say. My response a lot of
times is I think that there is actually something going on.
I think that people are seeing unusual things in the sky,
or people are experiencing some kind of uh phenomena in
a house that's uh supposedly haunted or whatever. But what
(17:51):
you know, what is the root cause about all those things?
To me, that is still unknown. And that's why we're
doing all of this stuff. This is why UH doing
our research and investigations and writing books and talking about
it on the on radio shows because we don't really know,
you know, I mean I've got personal favorites, you know.
(18:14):
I mean I love the idea that say, UFOs could
be time travelers. I mean, I think that's a fascinating concept.
And and in fact, if you are dealing with, say
a physical craft of some kind that may be visiting
us from another world, more than likely for it to
(18:39):
be able to travel through space, it's going to have
to be a time machine of some kind too, in
order to navigate the God knows how many light years
away that they're coming from. Uh so, uh, you know,
I take time travel even from our own future. Is
(19:00):
is a fascinating concept, you know, the same thing with
the possibility that we're dealing with, um, what would be
I think erroneously referred to as interdimensional beings? Um I
I you know, that's that's kind of an old science
fiction type of concept. But I, you know, I I do.
(19:21):
I do think that we live in a universe that
has multiple realities kind of stacked upon one another, and
that you know, in some of those they may have
been able to figure out how to you know, kind
of like the television show sliders to be able to
navigate from one or or the other. You know that
(19:44):
that could be a good explanation on why with um UFOs,
where the occupants have been seen that almost inevitably the
the entities are humanoid, which, considering what we know about say,
like you know, evolution, it would be highly unusual for
(20:06):
another planet in another solar system or another galaxy to
develop intelligent life that looks so close like us as
to be a lot of times almost indistinguishable from humans.
Um you know, the same thing with cryptid creatures. I mean,
are we dealing with actual physical primates that are smart
(20:29):
enough that does somehow they've managed to keep themselves hidden
from us, you know, in in in the woods and
in caves and things like that all these years, Or
are we dealing with something that has the ability to
briefly make a physical appearance in our reality and then
fade back to wherever it is that they came from. So,
(20:53):
I mean, I think that's what makes all of these
different types of phenomena so fascinating. Eating is because on
the surface they look like that they could be easily explainable,
but as you delve deeper into all of the accounts
that have been presented to us over the years. We
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can see that it's a lot more complex than uh,
you know, we would and then we can ever imagine,
and that's that's really what is so fascinating about all
of it. Oh yeah, And in fact, we probably have
a similar view, and that when you're functioning as a
writer and you're trying to speculate on some of these
(21:38):
really odd things that don't always fit together so well,
you have to have some kind of a working model
to rely on there that you can use to help
sort of explain what might be happening, like you say,
realities that are stacked upon them. But now it's becoming
more and more possible that reality is actually a sophisticated
(22:01):
version of what we now call virtual reality, that this
may just be some kind of a big program, if
you will, similar to the Internet, and that it can
get hacked either by ourselves or by other beings out there,
and that maybe the internet and virtual reality is a
very good crude model of what is happening here on
(22:23):
a larger scale, given what we know about what's possible
with modern technology. How do you think that that fits
into this mystery of the flexibility of reality. Somebody not
too long ago made a very interesting point, I think,
on the possibility that we are living in a uh simulation,
(22:47):
and then they pointed out that, uh, you know, all
the time that's you know, we experience really what would
just be called glitches in our reality, whether it would
be the so called Mandela effect or you know, uh
weird synchronicities or even you know, very bizarre things like
(23:09):
you know, seeing UFOs goes decryptids. And they pointed out that, uh,
if we are living in a simulation, a constructed simulation
by some other intelligence, it's not going to be perfect,
and that there are going to be bugs that get
into the software every now and then, and that the
(23:33):
possibility that that these these weird things that we experience
are the results of these bugs, uh or at an
extreme case, you know, maybe a virus accidentally infecting the system.
But uh, you know, it's uh it's an interesting idea,
you know. I mean the late writer science fiction writer,
(23:55):
Philip K. Dick. I mean, he gave a talk in uh,
France one time that was recorded on video, you know,
and you can find it on YouTube if you just
uh you know, go and look for it. And I
mean he talked about this. It was like in the
late seventies, I think, is what it was. And I
(24:17):
mean that's basically what he was saying. He was he
was saying that he thinks that reality is a simulation
of some kind. And you know a lot of his
books that he wrote about um took that tax that
that reality is never what we think that it is.
(24:38):
And uh, and I would have to agree with him.
I mean, there there are so many odd things that
go on in our lives all the time. Yeah, maybe
these glitches in the matrix are small opportunities for us
to glance behind the curtain once in a while and
get a clearer look at how all this has assembled.
(24:59):
When we come back from this break, you will hear
me ask Tim Swartz about one of the strange personal
experiences he has had. And he told me one of
the weirdest stories I have ever heard. Now you know me,
and coming from me, that means a lot, not just
(25:21):
because of what happened, but because of the investigative work
that he did. And you know, he's a good researcher,
He's a trustworthy guy. Wait until you hear of this.
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast, a am paranormal podcast network. I'm
your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show
where the unusual becomes usual. And now get ready for
a really weird story from Tim are Sworts. Well, when
(28:28):
it comes to your fascination with all this stuff, have
you had any personal experiences with any of these things
that stand out in your mind, and we're particularly influential.
One time, when I was working at station in Dayton, Ohio. UH,
my assignment editor, who knew I was interested in this
kind of stuff, told me that they had gotten a
(28:51):
phone call from these uh, these people from Springfield, Ohio
who had seen an earlier report about Polder guist activity
that was going on in Columbus, Ohio, very very famous
case at the time. This would have been the middle
nineteen eighties, and UH wanted to know if there was,
(29:14):
you know, we had any information for them. So I
went to their house and took my my camera equipment
with me, not intending to do a news story on this,
but wanted to try to capture whatever I could on
this three quarter inch equipment that we were using at
(29:37):
the time. And the household was experiencing the Polder geist activity.
This was an elderly couple UH that they had kind
of adopted their grandchildren, a little boy and a little
girl because both their parents were in jail. And not
too long after these children the boy was about a
(30:00):
the girl was about eleven going onto twelve. Uh. Not
too long after the kids arrived, then the house started
experiencing kind of like low level uh poldergeist wrapped on
the wall, things disappearing, furniture moving around, that sort of thing.
So when I was there, as soon as I almost
(30:21):
as soon as I got into the house, every battery
on my equipment die was just dead. And I had
charged it all before I left. And now you're talking
about these were these you know, the big nightcad batteries
at the camera, and then the recording decks used, and
not only were they dead, but the extras that I
(30:43):
brought with me were dead as well. And we were
sitting on the couch talking about what was going on,
and all of a sudden we heard it sounded like
this huge bang somewhere in the house, and the uh,
the wife that to me, oh, it's getting ready to start.
I don't like what. And then but they're like, well,
(31:05):
a lot of times before things start, you we hear,
you know, what sounds like an explosion or something. And
then all of a sudden, just right in front of us,
from the ceiling, little rocks start falling down and they
would it looked like to me, and you know, I
mean like maybe you know, five o'clock in the afternoon,
(31:25):
so I mean, it wasn't dark or anything like that.
But it looked like that these rocks were appearing like
just right below the ceiling and then falling to the floor.
And I picked them up, and they look like they're
like little white pieces of gravel that you would find
find out your driveway. And in fact, they had a
(31:46):
gravel driveway, and the rocks were exactly the same. Well,
maybe about seven or eight rocks fell down, So I
picked them up and marked them with a magic marker
with a an X, and then went out the back door,
and you know, they were in a they were out
in the country, and there was a corn field like
(32:08):
just right behind them. And this would have been about August,
so the corn was pretty high. So I took these
rocks and I chucked them all out into the corn field.
No sooner than I came back and sat down on
the couch than rocks started falling down from the same places.
And it was the same rocks with the with the
X on them. WHOA yeah and uh, And I said,
(32:33):
you know, the I could see everybody in the household.
The two adults were in the living room with me.
Down the hallway were the little boy and the little
girl in one of their rooms. I could see them
sitting on the bed playing a game of some kind,
so unless and then you know, and then a little
bit later I went up and they had it wasn't
(32:56):
much of an attic. It was more like a you know,
like a crawl space type of attic with uh installation
and then two by fours, So it would have been
really hard for anybody to have been hiding up there.
There's no holes in the ceiling that I could see,
so I don't know, you know. Uh. They told me
that afterwards, after that event, um, that the the activity
(33:21):
just kind of almost stopped, almost completely stopped within you know,
a few days after that. It was like whatever energies
were taking place in that house, that kind of uh
you know, spent their lot and and that was it.
But that was probably one of the most amazing things
that that that ever occurred to me, out of several others. Yeah,
(33:46):
that is one of the weirdest stories I've heard, because
if this were a hoax, then somebody in that house
would have had to slip outside, find those rocks that
you just chucked out into the corn field or whatever,
and then get them back in position them and go
through the whole process again without you noticing anything weird,
right right? Well? And you know, and the other thing is,
(34:09):
h why why did that? These people? You know, they
weren't interested in you know, in fact, they wanted to
make sure that I wasn't going to put this on television. Uh,
you know, because they were very cautious when I showed
up with this equipment and I told him, no, this
was just to you know, to record everything as best
(34:31):
as I could. You know. They weren't going to write
a book or anything like that. They just wanted to
know what was going on and how it could be stopped.
You know. You know, before this, they had no idea.
They had never even heard of, you know, of the
Polder guys. But they saw the story that our station
(34:52):
had ran about the uh, the Roach Polder guy's case
going on in Columbus and around the same time, and
they were like, Hey, this is what's happening with us.
Our consciousness are our ultimate being, you know, spirit, soul,
whatever it is that that you would want to call
it probably exists not only in this reality, but in
(35:18):
an infinite number of realities all at the same time. Uh.
When when you hear people talking about reincarnation, past lives
even future lives. I think that we are having those
experiences at the same time that we're having our present experience,
(35:41):
all right, that the concept of past, present, and future
is wrong, that it's all occurring at the very same
time and the same way with all of these uh
multiple infinite realities. Everything is existing all at the same time.
So you know, if we if we could get a
(36:01):
better idea of of how our consciousness actually interacts with
this universe, well, that would be a marvelous thing to
uh to study. So now the simplest question of all,
what is the meaning of life? Oh? My gosh, um, Well,
(36:26):
you know, okay, I to me, I think the meaning
of life is to um is the pursuit of knowledge,
because I mean, you know, you could say, well, you know,
the meaning to apply it is to you know, find
love and to make other you make yourself and make
(36:46):
others happy. Well, you know, the pursuit of knowledge uh
involves all of that as well. Uh. So I mean
I think that I think that we are here to
try to learn about ourselves, about others, and about the
world that we live in. And in doing so, I
(37:10):
think that will you know, we'll develop a greater empathy. Uh,
for not only others, but for ourselves as well. My
old mentor, Charles Yost, a scientist, said the meaning of
life is to learn, and I think that means we're
all on the same page there, and uh, I couldn't
(37:31):
agree more. We have to take a break, and when
we come back, I will I'll conclude this conversation with
Tim Schwartz. But I just want to jump in here
and say that when he's talking about these stones, these
little rocks falling from the ceiling, you know that's really
it's really weird. But it reminds me of how often
I hear similar stories when coins are falling instead of rocks.
(37:58):
And to be honest with you, I don't know, I mean,
why that happens unless you have a particular case where
let's say, you know, Grandpa used to give me a
quarter every time I saw him, and after he died,
now quarters will fall. You know that kind of synchronicity
can happen. But if you have an idea as to
how to explain this, I'd like to hear about it.
(38:20):
If you go to Joshua P. Warren dot com, you
can scroll down the home page there and you will
find my email address. But let me warn you. Okay.
I get over five thousand emails per week, and I
do my best to read them all, but I cannot
promise I will be able to read it or certainly respond.
(38:41):
I got a guy who emailed me the other day
and he said, I have emailed you three times and
you have an emailed me back. Have I offended you somehow?
I think, well, now you have, do you? I mean,
I don't think people realise how many messages I guess.
I said, what do you want to talk about? And
(39:05):
so he wrote me back and he said, I'm just
wondering when you go to certain locations, do you ever
get anxiety attacks? I said, no, that was it. That
was it. Anyway. I'm gonna be on a television show
(39:26):
later this month. I'm recording this podcast in November of one,
and I think it might end up being kind of
a controversial show. I'll tell you about it when we return.
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is the conclusion of my interview with a great tim
Are Sworts. Well, the clock is almost got us, so
(42:37):
let me just tell you. I would like for you
to take as as much time as you want to
tell all the listeners whatever you want to tell them.
You tell them about your website, the books that you've written,
any books that you're publishing that other people have written,
any events you have coming up, just uh, whatever you
want to promote. The floor is yours all right? Thank you? Well? Um,
(42:59):
all of books and I've I've got a few of them,
you know, five or sex Tener twenty. Yeah, you can
find them all on Amazon dot com. Uh just you
can just type in my name, Tim Schwartz and they'll
they'll pop up. My website is Conspiracy Journal dot com
(43:20):
and uh I've shared that over the years with the
late great Timothy green Buckley. UM. I also had a
little publishing company of my own, and we've just recently
released a new book called The Secrets of Telepathic Control
by Kang and Sinha and uh ms missus Singa. Sinha
(43:45):
has also published the book Creatures of Thought, which has
been very very popular. It deals with the the the
whole uh Taulpa phenomena and the the mental manipulations of laity.
So I highly recommend both of those books. We just
recently myself and Shaun cass Steele. Uh we're able to
(44:09):
recently finish Tim Beckley's book called Dulcie Warriors that Tim
had been working on at the time of his passing.
So uh we had were able to get ahold of
all of his chapters and uh notes and everything and
uh and get that finished. And that has now been
(44:33):
released and published and is available on Amazon dot com
as well. And so you know, we're myself and John
cass Steele are working on some new books along the
same lines as what we've always liked to publish over
the years. And uh, you know, we'll be making some
announcements in the near future on what their titles will be, alrighty,
(44:54):
And of course I'm even included in the Dulci book.
That was certainly an honor and I'll to tell everybody
more about that on this show soon. But Tim are sports.
You have done a fantastic job of opening minds in
the most fascinating ways, and I know we're going to
stay in touch. I can't wait to see what you
(45:15):
do next. So thank you so much for your epic
work and for being on the show. Well, I thank you,
Joshua for having me on, and I hope your audience
enjoyed it as well. Yeah, his website is Conspiracy Journal
dot com. And sure enough, he sent me a copy
of this new book that he has published, and it's
(45:36):
called Secrets of Telepathic Control, How to develop your psychic
powers and have others obey your Silent Commands. And I
think I royally screwed up because when he sent this
to me, I thought, you know, I'm really busy, uh,
(45:58):
and it's gonna be like a few days before I
can read this book. So I gave it to my
wife Lauren and said, hey, if you want to read
this book, you know, let me know how it is.
And then like an hour later, I said, ah, crap,
I just gave my wife a book called how to
(46:20):
Develop your Psychic Powers and have others Obey your Silent Commands.
There's literally a woman on the cover with a big
you know, like spiral vortex controlling you, and I'm trying
to get it back from her. Uh. So, look, do
not make the mistake that I made. If you do
(46:41):
not want your partner to get this before you do,
I imagine. So I don't know. If I start acting weird,
you'll know what's going on. Also, if you go to
conspiracy journal dot com, you will see this book. He
mentioned dull Say Warriors about the underground alien facility that
they say is around dulsin New Mexico. And sure enough,
(47:04):
this is the last book that Tim Beckley was working on.
And I was at Tim Beckley's apartment in New York,
I think in two thousand and seven, and I sat
down in and put him on camera and I interviewed
him for a documentary that I was making. And then
when we were done, he said, well, now I want
to interview you, and and so we traded places and
(47:28):
he filmed me and he interviewed me about the mystery
of the Brown Mountain lights because a lot of people
talk about there being an underground alien base there Brown
Mountain and so, uh, Tim Beckley said some very kind
things about me in the book and uh, and then
he has the transcript in there. So that's a really
nice thing to have. And you know, go to Conspiracy
(47:50):
journal dot com or you know, Amazon dot com to
to find those things. We're definitely going to keep in
touch with Mr Tim are Sorts. So again, I am
recording this show in November of two thousand twenty one.
And so for those of you who happened to be
(48:10):
listening um to the fresh recording, I'm gonna be on
a I'm gonna be in a documentary. They're calling it
a shock doc. Uh. The day after Thanksgiving, November twenty
six one. It's called Demon In the White House. And
you may recall me talking about White House ghost earlier,
(48:32):
uh this year on a podcast. And you know, I
say it controversial because you here Demon in the White House. Well,
you know you can you can take that twist it
in a lot of ways. But here's what the travel
channel dot com website says. Is it possible to grieving
mothers dabbling in seances inside the presidential residence conjured something
(48:56):
other than their beloved sons? Shock dot Demon in the
White House premieres on Discovery Plus on Friday, November twenty six,
So that's a streaming thing Discovery Plus and then supposedly
eventually it will end up on the Travel Channel as well.
So let me try to read some more of this. Um,
(49:17):
I think I got enough time here. The Seat of
Power at six dred Pennsylvania Avenue, maybe the most haunted
site in the world. The new shot doc Demon in
the White House, launching Friday November six, Discovery Plus uncloaks
the historic origins of the horror of two grieving first ladies.
(49:38):
Did they unwittingly invite an evil presence with the malevolent
agenda that may still torment America's presidents as well? As
their families, visitors and closest advisers. President Franklin Pierce and
First Lady Jane Pierce lost their son Benjamin at age eleven.
President Abraham Lincoln and First Lady Mary Todd son William
(49:59):
died at the same age. Both children perished during their
father's administration. The Shock doc thriller opens archival papers, correspondence,
and diaries to document a timeline of supernatural events that
unfolded after these grieving families saw solace in the fashionable
new spiritualism and seance movement and the potential catastrophic consequences
(50:24):
that followed. And then they go into say, as new
presidential families moved into the White House over the past
a hundred and fifty years, they're continued to be supernatural
activity and strange happenings within the walls of this famous residence.
Uh goodness, this is kind of long. This is Harry Truman.
(50:44):
Harry Truman, who wrote several letters to family members explaining
the disturbances, said that uh, I'd see. He talked about
it on nine separate occasions that he wrote about the
ghost of the White House and once said, quote sure,
as shooting the places wunted, he did, he did, I've
actually seen that correspondence, it's true, And then Uh says
(51:08):
here it is believed that renovating a building can stir
up ghostly activity. When the White House was being gutted,
Truman hired National Park Service photographer Abbey Row to document
this historic process. And one ordinary photo shows a bulldozer
and three men standing in a corner, and on the
other side of the frame is a figure that appears transparent. Uh. That's,
(51:32):
of course the photograph that I extensively investigated and did
little documentary about, which you can watch if you go
to Joshua pe Warren dot com and click the link
to World's Wildest Ghost Photos. By the way, you know what,
I almost forgot to mention this after talking to um
(51:52):
the Tim Schwartz about the situation with Commander X. I
think some young, ambitious filmmakers should go out there and
get to the bottom of who Commander X was and
do a documentary about that. Wouldn't that be cool? I
would watch that a Commander who was Commander X documentary anyway.
So yeah, if you are on Discovery Plus, you can
(52:15):
see me. And I haven't seen it yet, so I'm
taking a risk by promoting it. I hope I don't
look luck some dufits on there. You never know. Okay,
my friends, it's time for us to wrap this particular
show up, and so let's do it in the usual way.
Shall we take a deep breath, close your eyes, relax,
(52:40):
and absorb the good fortune of the good fortune. Tom
here it is. That's it for this edition of the show.
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