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Get ready to be amazed weird. This is Strange Things
with Wren. I am Joshua FE. Warren, and each week
on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new mind
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blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments you can do
at home, and a lot more on this edition of
the show. Here's what I know about the Philadelphia experiment.
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If you were to travel right now, I mean right now,
poof this instant from here the year two into the past. Okay,
you're traveling from the future into the past. Maybe you
walk through a portal, you're in a time machine, whatever,
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How would you prove that you were from the future.
You're talking to everybody at whatever point you end up at,
and you're he say, yes, I'm from the future. They say,
prove it. How would you do that? What would you say? Well?
Here in Las Vegas, I recently went to the Big
Fancy When Casino and finally got to see in person
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one of my favorite stand up comedians, Nate Bargatsy, who
is actually from Tennessee and I'm from North Carolina, so
we're neighbors. But Lauren and I had a wonderful time
at the show, and one of my favorite bits by
Nate Bargatsy is from his Comedy Central special called Full
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Time Magic, where he basically poses the question if I
traveled back in time, how would I prove I was
from the future. Well, listen to this little excerpt. I
think of it like, uh, like time traveling, Like if
I could go back in time, Like if I could
go back time tonight and go back to like the twenties,
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knowing everything I know right now, I don't think I
would make a difference. I don't think you guys would
even hear about it. I don't think you would. I
just don't because I don't have anything to get, you know,
Like I would go back and I would see like
some guy on an old phone and I'd be like, hey,
eventually they have phones you like carry in your pocket,
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and they're like, yeah, it's like, how do they do it?
I'm like, I mean, I don't know how they do it. Um,
I think it's a satellite. I think a satellite. They're like,
what's the satellite? I should have even said that. Uh,
it's like metal Metal's gonna go pretty high in the air.
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I don't know if you guys are doing I don't
even know if I could prove from the future. I
don't even think I could. I think I would just
get stuck because they would want something like who's the
next president? Oh boy? Uh who Abraham Lincoln? You guys
are gonna love him, He's really good. They just think
I'm from the past, and that's what they were like.
It would just look like I didn't have to get
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a regular job, and I would just have to like
wait tables or something. And the twenties. I would go
back in time and do worse than I'm doing right now.
I'm telling you you've got to look up Nate Bargatsy
on Netflix. His last name is spelled b A R
G A t z E. I think one of the
shows is called The Tennessee Kid. He is hilarious Nate
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Bargatsy dot com. And he makes a great point, doesn't he.
I've wondered about this same exact thing, and maybe you
have to. But you know what's even more perplexing. If
you were from the future traveling into the past, realistically,
you could probably do or explain or predict things that
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could demonstrate that you're from the future. I think you'd
figure something out. I hope we could do that. You
might be surprised things that you don't even realize, you know.
But what's really perplexing is trying to figure out how
you could prove that you had time traveled and you
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were from the past. Now, let that sink in for
a moment. How do you prove that you are from
the past, because anything you say could potentially be the
product of something you had looked up in some archive, right,
And I mean if anybody had the ability to go
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back and look that up to verify it. Well, that
means you could have done the same thing to get
that information. How do you prove you are from the past. Now,
I'm gonna this is such a deep question that I'm
going to pause for just a moment and really let
you think about that for a while. How would you
prove that you are from the past. Okay, I'll give
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you a few seconds think about it. That was the
question posed by a kind of cheesy movie that came
out in nineteen eighty four called The Philadelphia Experiment. A
couple of Navy men are part of a space time
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warping experiment on a ship, and they end up being
teleported from nineteen forty three to nineteen eighty four, and
they have to explain, of course that they're not crazy,
that they're actually from the past, and at the same
time they're running from government agents, et cetera. It's actually
been a long time since I've seen it, but that
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movie was based on a very strange legend that sun
belief is either in part or all together a whole,
and many people say it's all hogwash, And then you know, again,
we have those who say, well this is partially true, Well,
look guess what I yours truly, Joshua P. Warren actually
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have some personal insight on this from a man on
the inside that I am going to share with you
on this show right now. And by the way, that
question that I asked about how to prove that you're
from the future, I have asked that question of many
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many people over the years, and nobody had a good answer.
But one day I finally asked that question to a
young lady and she gave me the best answer I've heard.
I still don't know if it's a good answer or not,
but it's the best answer I've heard, and so I'm
going to tell you what it is. But first, okay,
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let's start from scratch here. What the heck is the
story behind the Philadelphia Experiment according to modern legend. Well,
let me do my best to explain here. First off,
let's keep this simple. Let me go to Wikipedia and
tell you what what it says right at the top here,
Wikipedia says the Philadelphia Experiment is a conspiracy theory about
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a military experiment supposed to have been carried out by
the U. S. Navy at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
United States. Sometime around October of nineteen forty three, a
US Navy ship, a destroyer escort called the U S. S. Eldridge,
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was claimed to have been rendered invisible or cloaked to
enemy devices. Okay, so that's that's the gist of it.
But from there, when you actually start looking at what
is supposed to be the true story, it gets really
weird and disturbing and complex. So let me start telling
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you sort of the origins and we'll get into the story.
And I'm gonna have to take a break here in
a minute, but let's let me get us started here. Okay.
So in nineteen fifty five, a scientist named Morris K. Jessup,
remember that name, Jessop. He published this popular book. It
was called The Case for the UFO Unidentified Flying Objects. Now,
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one day in nineteen fifty five, a man named Carl
m Allen, who was an ex merchant marine. He mailed
a copy of this book to the US Office of
Naval Research. Okay, so Jessop wrote the book. Alan, this guy,
who was an ex merchant marine, mails a copy of
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this to the Office of Naval Research, and the book
was filled with all these handwritten notes in the margins
as well as additional notes on paper, and the notes
commented on some of the author's Jessup's ideas about the
propulsion for flying saucers, and it discusses alien races, and
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this guy, Carl Allen is expressing concern that Jessip is
getting too close to discovering this technology and needs to
back off right so now. Shortly thereafter, in January of
nineteen fifty six, Carl M. Allen, this ex merchant mariner,
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he starts sending a series of letters directly to the
author of the book, Morris K. Jessup. The first known
letter warned Jessip not to investigate the levitation of unidentified
flying objects. And then Alan put forth a cautionary tell
a story of dangerous science, based on unpublished theories by
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Albert Einstein about warping space and time. And he further
claimed that a scientist named Franklin Reno had put these
theories into practice at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. They're in
October of nine, and Alan said that he was a
witness to this experiment while he was serving aboard a
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ship called the S. S Andrew First of Okay, when
we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell you
why Alan claimed to have witnessed and what do you
think happened to the author Jessup once he started digging
really deep into this I bet you can guess there
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I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren,
beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio and Sin City,
Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every
night is silver. And I'm talking about the story from
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this man, Carl m Allen, And I keep saying, you know,
he he was an ex merchant mariner. And in case
you're not sure what that means, the merchant marine here
in the United States, it primarily transports cargo and passengers
during peacetime, but in times of war, the merchant marine
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can be in auxiliary to the United States Navy and
can be called upon to deliver military personnel, uh and
material for the military. Merchant marine officers may also be
commissioned as military offers by the Department of Defense. So
they serve a very interesting dual role there between peacetime
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and wartime, and so they know a lot, they know
a little bit about everything that's going on when it
comes to the coastlines. And so Alan here said that
he was serving aboard this ship called the S. S
Andrew for a seth and in his account, okay, here's
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what he said. A navy ship, this destroyer escort, the
U S S. Eldridge. Uh, it was successfully made invisible.
So here was the idea to to try to use
Tesla coils and and other types of equipment to sort
of shake up and resonate reality and sort of been
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space time, which is a plausible theory really, and see
if they could sort of been light around that ship
so that the ship would become invisible to the naked eye.
That was the intention. And he said that the ship
was made invisible. But then something else happened. Apparently this
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effect was too powerful, and the ship inexplicably then teleported
to a whole different place, Norfolk, Virginia, and it was
there for several minutes, and then it reappeared in the
Philadelphia yard. And when it reappeared, it was almost like
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this thing had had melted and then reformed. And oh
my goodness, they say the ship's crew was supposed to
have suffering all kinds of terrible side effects. Um well,
many of them were insane. Uh, some were literally frozen
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in place. And so Jessup and Alan they started are
responding more and more about this, and Jessup actually went
to the Navy and told the Navy about this correspondence,
and members of the Navy became, shall we say, very
interested in just how much information that this guy Alan
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was telling this author Jessip Right, Well, Jessip tried to
publish more books on the subject of UFOs, but it
was unsuccessful. Uh. They say, he lost his publisher and
experienced a series of downturns and his personal life that
led him to supposedly take his own life in Florida,
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April nineteen fifty nine. That you saw that coming, didn't you. Oh,
he killed himself, like so many other people who end
up in his position. Now, a lot of this was
published in a book in nineteen seventy nine called The
Philadelphia Experiment Project in Visibility by Bill More and Charles Berlitz,
And the full story is much more horrific. Okay, so
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according to all these different accounts, But I just told
you that Alan thing is sort of how this first
was introduced to two mainstream researchers. So here's the here's
the overall legend by combining. Okay, here's the story. The
legend according to anecdotes and sketchy reports and you know,
top secret stuff and I'm going to tell you in
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a minute how much of this may be true. Okay,
the experiment once again. Now, it was allegedly based on
an aspect of some unified field theory, a term coined
by Albert Einstein to describe a class of potential theories. Now,
these are theories that would aim to describe mathematically and
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physically the interrelated nature of the forces of electro magnetism
and gravity. So in other words, trying to combine eyeing
all that into a single field, and using technology that
might be able to manipulate these fields in some way. Now,
according to some accounts, some unspecified quote, researchers thought that
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some version of this field would be uh would enable
using large electrical generators and stuff similar to Tesla coils
to bend the light around the ship, around an object
through refraction, so that it would at least become completely
invisible to the naked eye, but perhaps even radar. And
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you can see why the Navy regarded this as of
great military value and they sponsored the experiment. Now, even
though again there are no reliable accounts, here is what
supposedly happened. Okay, the ship, the USS Eldridge, was fitted
with all of this resonant equipment at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard.
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The testing began in the summer of nineteen forty three,
and it was supposedly successful to a limited extent. One
test resulted in the Eldridge being rendered nearly invisible, with
some witnesses reporting a greenish fog appearing in its place,
which actually makes sense to me because sometimes when you
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start ionizing the air, you get bluish and greenish fogs,
and that is often reported in the Bermuda Triangle right
around the time of some energy convergence where ships start disappearing.
You've probably heard of the green fog before, so anyway,
people who were there, crew members especially, complained of severe
and nausea afterward, and also reportedly when the ship reappeared,
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some sailors were embedded in the metal structures of the ship.
Remember what I said about visioning something like the guys
and the ship kind of melt and then they solidify.
It's as if they were in a non physical state
and the ship was in a non physical state. But
when it all snapped back into physical state, sometimes the
bodies of the men happened to overlap the body of
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the ship. And they became molecularly fused. So this includes
one sailor who ended up on a deck level below
that where he began and had his hand embedded in
the still whole of the ship. They say many sailors
went quote completely bananas. Uh. There is also a claim
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that the experiment was altered after that point at the
request of the Navy, limiting it to just trying to
create stealth technology that would just make the Eldridge invisible
to radar. So despite the terrible result, it was so amazing,
so promising, they recalibrated the equipment and the experiment was
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repeated on October nineteen three, and this time the Eldridge
not only became invisible, but it disappeared from the area
in a flash of blue light. That is when it's
supposedly teleported to Norfolk, Virginia. That's over two hundred miles away,
and it's claimed the Eldridge sat for some time in
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view of the men aboard the s s andrew for
a seth which is what Alan said he was on,
where upon the Eldridge then vanished and reappeared in Philadelphia
at the site where it had originally occupied. Okay and
it was also said that the worship listen to this.
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It's also said the worship went approximately ten minutes back
and time. Now. Many versions of this story include descriptions
of various serious, horrible side effects for the crew. Uh.
Some crew members were said to have been physically fused
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too to the bulkheads, which are just upright metal walls
inside the ship, while others suffered from extreme mental disorders.
Some guys, according to some of these accounts, re materialized
inside out. Let me repeat that. They claim that some
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of these men re materialized with their bodies turned inside out,
and others just vanished. Where did they go? Where they lost?
Somewhere in time? And it's also claimed that the ship's
crew may have been subjected to brainwashing to sort of
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maintain the secrecy of the experiment. And that is the
overall legends. So now that you know the story, you
know how it began, and you know the story, is
it true? That's the big question? Is it true? Well,
before I get into what I know, uh, let me
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just I need to bring this up because a lot
of you probably know about this. There was a man
and who was making sort of the rounds on the
speaking circuit in the US in the nineteen nineties who
claimed that he was one of those sailors on the
Eldridge who ended up being teleported through time on a
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number of occasions. His name was al Bielick, and he
died in well, supposedly there when when it comes to
time travel stuff. Supposedly he died on October tenth of
two thousand eleven, when he was eighty four years old.
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When we come back, I'm gonna tell you what al
Billick was claiming happened. I you know, my friend Mark L.
Has Bennett actually got to meet Albilic in person and
he said he was impressed. So I don't know. I'm
gonna tell you what Albilic was saying. But then furthermore,
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I'm going to tell you about the inside knowledge that
I got on this from one of the most intelligent
and trusted people that I've ever met in my life.
And then we're gonna get around to that question of
how would you prove if you were from the past.
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Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to
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your host, Joshua Pete Warren, and this is the show
where the unusual becomes usual. And you know, when something
vibrates fast enough, it starts to look invisible, translucent, like
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fan blades that are spinning fast enough. You can see
why that if you vibrate something, if you resonate something
at a high at a higher rate, um, you can
achieve that invisibility. But what if you go too far?
What if it's not just the light that you're you're
rattling around and shaking up. What if it's sort of
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like you have a sand castle sitting in front of you,
and all the little pieces of sand, all the little
rains are in place, and you start shaking that, well,
then they start breaking down. And maybe that's what happens
when you start using these high powered devices similar to
Tesla coils, and you start amplifying this residence, this frequency
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more and more and more. You're not only affecting the light,
but suddenly you start shaking the whole darn molecular structure
up apart, and maybe up in apart, and maybe it
becomes so loose and slippery it can even slide back
and forth through time and space. We don't know how
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all that works at this point as civilians as civilians,
but maybe the military does. They have the best budgets, right,
There is some legitimacy behind this concept. So look, I
don't know if al Bilic was legit or not. I
just want to give you a little bit of information
about him, though I have not been able to find
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a video of him being interviewed, which is pretty weird.
But there is this great website here called destination tips
dot com and I'm just gonna read you some of
what they've written here. Justin Andrews. According to popular legend,
in nineteen forty three, the U. S. Navy undertook secret experiments.
And then he goes on to say in nineteen ninety
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BILLI claimed that he spent time in two separate periods
of the future, only to return to the present and
tell his story. And that was just the beginning of
the fantastic revelations of this totally, completely, absolutely he's being sarcastic,
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he says, not fake time traveler. Okay, So anyway, so
Billick wasn't actually saying that he was from the past
necessarily like the characters in the movie. He was saying
that he uh, he actually spent time in the future.
Says he was born a peculiar child by his own words,
and nineteen seven and uh, as a young man, he
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joined the navy to five the Nazis said he was
a lowly naval officer serving aboard the Eldridge in nineteen
forty three. And years later, uh he you know, he
started becoming famous because he said that he and his
brother who was also on the ship, they were subject
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to some odd happenings on the ship, but they jumped
to safety and they landed in the year twenty one,
thirty seven, and at this futuristic hospital he was treated
with uh, treated for radiation injuries. And he said that, um,
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what is this entertainment in the hospital was solely educational
and news programming. Okay, so this is what he's saying.
Thirty seven is like. He said that when he got there,
he discovered that geographical ships had transformed the globe. The
coastlines of every continent had changed dramatically. Florida had disappeared
except for the Panhandle. The Great Lakes were just one
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great lake. Atlanta was three miles from the Atlantic Ocean.
He said the US infrastructure had been destroyed, the central
government was a total thing of the past. Both Canada
and the US were gone, ruled over with a kind
of locally enforced martial law. He said that the world
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population had diminished. That that's the the US and Europe
had banded together to fight off China and Russia, and
this war killed billions of people and essentially ruined the
world's governments. This is all delightful reading, isn't it. From there,
he was sent even further forward to the year twenty
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set nine, where he stayed for two years before being
transported back to one thirty seven, and he said that
in that day and age, government of any kind is
non existent. Everything was run by AI called the Synthetic
Intelligence Computer System and that worked telepathically. Um So this
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goes on and on and on with some of the
strange claims that he made. And you know, it's it's
funny because when you know, you could say I've been
to the future, But if you've been so far into
the future, well then it also becomes impossible to prove
that you have spent time in the future, right, because
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there's a sweet spot there where you might be able
to come from the future back in time and tell
people who's gonna here's who's gonna win the baseball game
on Monday or whatever. You know that there's a there's
a possibility of doing that. Uh, But when you're talking
about trying to prove you're from the past or that
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you have been way way into the future. It's hard
to pen somebody down. So I'm not sure what to
think about al Builic. But once again, he died October
eleven in Guadalajara, Mexico, supposedly eighty four. He was buried
at the local cemetery there. And even though his birth
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certificate is dated March thirty one of ninet, he was
mixed up in so much strange time travel stuff there
is debate as to whether or not even that date
is legitimate. Okay, so now what what do I have
to add to this story? All right? So you have
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heard me talk, I'm sure many times on this program
about one of the great mentors of mine. He was
a NASA Hall of Fame engineer named Charles A. Yost
And I was an apprentice to him, a lab assistant
for many years in his laboratory in western North Carolina.
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And uh, he had such a vast history. I mean,
he was one of the spacecraft designers during the Apollo missions,
including the one that put men on the Moon. And
he was the real deal. Uh. He was a very
strict engineer, and and it's interesting that I bring him
up right now because I recently referenced him. I wrote
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an audio book a few years ago called The Oblivious Gods,
and I think everybody would enjoy this. It's short, it's
only thirty minutes long. And my friend John Carter made
a video version of The Oblivious Gods, which if you
go to YouTube and you just type in the Oblivious
Gods and Joshua P. Warren, you can watch this, and
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I hope that you will do that, uh, all free
there on YouTube. And I start the video or I
start the presentation out by giving a nod to Charles A.
Yos and I give a quote from him, and there's
a picture of him there. So Anyway, when I was
working in the laboratory with Charles Yost, I of course
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asked him about the Philadelphia Experiment and he said, well,
it just so happens that I was on a team
of scientists that the U. S. Navy put together to
investigate the legitimacy of the Philadelphia Experiment. I said, what
he says, Yeah, he says there, Yeah, there were seven
of us and we were brought in to do an
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independent review of everything about that case. And we look
through all of the information, and we look through all
the accounts and all, and basically he said, we concluded
that it never happened. So I said, do you mean
it didn't happen at all? And he goes, well, they
were doing experiments, but it just didn't happen. We found
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no evidence that it happened the way they said it happened.
So I was disappointed to hear that. But on the
other hand, I felt refreshed that I trusted this guy
and he had you know, he had learned some truth.
I believed him now. He was also a guy who
would correct himself later in life when he you know,
he once told me he didn't think the brown mountain
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lights were worth studying, and then it turns out after
I got some good data, he ended up putting my
research on the cover of a science journal. So, you know,
it's not like he he was not a believer in things.
He was a skeptical scientist. But that's what he said
that he didn't find any any evidence, And I thought, well, well,
how do we explain this? Then? Well, you know what,
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it turns out there's a very interesting alternative explanation for
what might have happened that gave rise to this particular legend,
and it comes to us from Jacques Valet. And uh,
Jacques Valet, I'm sure you know his name. I mean,
he's he. He was born September of nineteen thirty nine.
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He is an Internet pioneer, a computer scientist, a venture capitalist, author, astronomer,
and uthologist. Okay, and I believe that in the movie
Close Encounters of the Third Kind by Spielberg, that they
based the French scientist on a Jacques Vallet. I believe
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that's the case. But anyway, he's a very very respected man,
and as a matter of fact, he and I have
been corresponding recently, so I might even be able to
have him on this show at some point. But he
has a really interesting explanation for what might have happened here.
And when we come back from this break, gosh, I
can't believe the show is flown by I'm gonna tell
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you what his explanation is, and then I'm gonna tell
you also how it's maybe it's possible to prove that
you're from the past. All I can tell you is
in twenty I was in phil Delphia, Pennsylvania, and I
was doing a book signing for my book called Use
the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law of Attraction,
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and at one point I said, I want to make
it a point two to drive over the bridges over
the Philadelphia Shipyard there so I could look down and
imagine that something happened down there. Um. I don't know
if it happened exactly the way that the legend goes,
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but I felt I just felt it was a meaningful.
It was cool for me to look down on that
water and and imagine the Philadelphia experiment. I'm Joshua Pete Warren.
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And gosh, we had such a great time as you'll
as you'll see all right. Back to the Philadelphia experiment. Well,
here is what Jacques Valet said. He said that there
was another ship there that was docked alongside the Eldridge
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in nineteen forty three, and this was called the U S.
S Angstrom E n G S t R O M.
And he said that, uh, the on there was a
procedure that they did an experiment they did there and
on that ship. The operation involved a generation of powerful
electro magnetic fields on board the ship in order to
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de gossip. Now, when you decass something, you're making it
less detectable magnetically, and so you used you can definitely
use electromagnetism for that. And he said the goal of
rendering the ship was to make it, Uh was to
render the ship undetectable or invisible if you will, to
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magnetically fused undersea minds and torpedoes. So apparently they would
have minds and torpedoes back in those days, and they
would have a switch or a fuse or whatever that
would only activate when a ship went overboard or or
or went went above, when a ship would float over top,
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and then you know, it would activate this thing. And
so if you could decoss the ship, it wouldn't trigger
those minds. And it goes on to say here British
ships of the era often included such degossing systems built
into upper decks. De goossing is still used today, However,
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it has no effect on visible light or radar, and
Valet speculates that some of the accounts about them doing
this stuff with the Inngstrom and decussing it and using
all these weird um pieces of equipment may have turned in,
you know, through confabulation two, you know, through subsequent retellings.
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This kind of got morphed into the story of the
Philadelphia experiment. That's much more ethereous sounding thing. And Valet
cites a veteran who served on board the Angstrom who
suggests that it might have actually traveled in a test
run from Philadelphia to Norfolk and back again in a
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single day at a time when merchant ships could not uh,
that was at a time that it was when it
was only open to naval vessels and the use of
that channel was kept quiet and German submarines had been
you know, threatening the East coast, and basically that there
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was this sort of secret experiment where this ship was
traveling back and forth between Philadelphia and Virginia there to
see if it could do so and invisibly so to speak.
When it comes to you know, not triggering these these
types of minds, and the same veteran uh said that, uh,
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there was some kind of witness there who disappeared at
a bar because there was a bar fight that broke
out after the experiment was over or something like that,
and some guy was running his mouth about it, and
that uh, some of his buddies covered for him by
claiming that he had disappeared so imagined like some sailors
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apart of this experiment, and then uh, he goes out
running his mouth the bar and then they say, oh,
he disappeared, you know, spooky government stuff. You know what
it's it's an inter instinct theory. It maybe. I mean,
I can understand if that's true, how that some of
those facts through retelling. This is like how urban legends
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and urban myths evolved, could have become more and more
extreme and turned into what we now know is the
Philadelphia Experiment. I think that certainly something along the lines
of the Philadelphia experiment has happened. But when it comes
to this particular case, as you can see, we're kind
of in a hall of mirrors here, I don't think
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it happened the way that we have heard. But they
were experimenting with something there and it created that Bizarro effect.
So I don't know that I resolved anything for you,
but I'm also you know, I just have to go
with what I've heard. And that's a pretty good explanation.
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Now let's get back to this question here. How would
you prove that you were from the past. It's a
good one. I asked that question too, like I said,
many people over the years, and the only person who
ever gave me an answer that I thought might actually
work was when I was talking with Tad mcdivott and
his wife Simone. Now Tad mcdivott has been on this show.
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He is the chief occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville
tour business, and he has been my top tour guide
longer than anybody else, for years and years and years.
He's a master storyteller. And one day I was sitting
down with him and Simone and I was we got
off onto this topic, you know, and I said, how
would you prove that you were from the past? And
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Simone says, well, she had read that in nineteen once
we really started exploding, not only the atomic bombs but
doing all kinds of atomic testing, that it was so
extensive that people who were born after nineteen forty five
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have a more general have a generally higher level of
radioactive particles in their system than those who were born
before nineteen and that in this particular case, you might
be able to determine if somebody was born before nineteen
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forty five, um, by by judging the amount of radioactivity
and that person's body. Now, look, I have I have
not spent a lot of time. I've only done a
cursory search of this, so I'm not sure if if
that's possible or not. But she brings up a very
good point. Are even if that is not something that
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is necessarily measurable? And again I don't know if it is,
you let me know. You you you can contact me and
tell me if there's a source for that. But are
there other sort of chemical elements of proof that may
or may not illustrate? Um, if you can tell if
at if a person was born before a certain time
like that, I don't know, but I thought that was
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pretty smart. So thank you for that, simone. And um
now I hand the mystery over to you, my dear audience.
So let me squeeze in a quick email here from
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and that she's talking about something she got from my
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any prayers being answered. I just love the feel of it,
the subtle electrical resonance of it. I sit and meditate
with it while listening to your good Fortune tone on
the show. It feels so pleasant. It's like massaging my brain.
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The combination of the tone and the board is just wonderful.
I've used a number of me of physical tools in
the past, and this is both the most straightforward to
use as well as the easiest to handle in shape
and weight and size. And I'm very, very happy with
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she goes on to ask me something that a number
of people have asked me over the past week. She says,
regarding the good Fortune tone, Uh, is there a way
to find a longer version of the good Fortune tonue?
Something you know that I could listen to for ten
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you so much, Ms Diaz. I love that description of
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very fitting, doesn't it. As we've been talking about residents
and the Philadelphia experiment, I've been scratching my brain for
a while, so I think we can all use a
nice brain massage. So as usual, I'm going to end
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at home, and a lot more on this edition of
the show. Here's what I know about the Philadelphia experiment.
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If you were to travel right now, I mean right now,
poof this instant from here the year two into the past. Okay,
you're traveling from the future into the past. Maybe you
walk through a portal, you're in a time machine, whatever,
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How would you prove that you were from the future.
You're talking to everybody at whatever point you end up at,
and you're he say, yes, I'm from the future. They say,
prove it. How would you do that? What would you say? Well?
Here in Las Vegas, I recently went to the Big
Fancy When Casino and finally got to see in person
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one of my favorite stand up comedians, Nate Bargatsy, who
is actually from Tennessee and I'm from North Carolina, so
we're neighbors. But Lauren and I had a wonderful time
at the show, and one of my favorite bits by
Nate Bargatsy is from his Comedy Central special called Full
(02:52):
Time Magic, where he basically poses the question if I
traveled back in time, how would I prove I was
from the future. Well, listen to this little excerpt. I
think of it like, uh, like time traveling, Like if
I could go back in time, Like if I could
go back time tonight and go back to like the twenties,
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knowing everything I know right now, I don't think I
would make a difference. I don't think you guys would
even hear about it. I don't think you would. I
just don't because I don't have anything to get, you know,
Like I would go back and I would see like
some guy on an old phone and I'd be like, hey,
eventually they have phones you like carry in your pocket,
(03:34):
and they're like, yeah, it's like, how do they do it?
I'm like, I mean, I don't know how they do it. Um,
I think it's a satellite. I think a satellite. They're like,
what's the satellite? I should have even said that. Uh,
it's like metal Metal's gonna go pretty high in the air.
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I don't know if you guys are doing I don't
even know if I could prove from the future. I
don't even think I could. I think I would just
get stuck because they would want something like who's the
next president? Oh boy? Uh who Abraham Lincoln? You guys
are gonna love him, He's really good. They just think
I'm from the past, and that's what they were like.
It would just look like I didn't have to get
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a regular job, and I would just have to like
wait tables or something. And the twenties. I would go
back in time and do worse than I'm doing right now.
I'm telling you you've got to look up Nate Bargatsy
on Netflix. His last name is spelled b A R
G A t z E. I think one of the
shows is called The Tennessee Kid. He is hilarious Nate
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Bargatsy dot com. And he makes a great point, doesn't he.
I've wondered about this same exact thing, and maybe you
have to. But you know what's even more perplexing. If
you were from the future traveling into the past, realistically,
you could probably do or explain or predict things that
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could demonstrate that you're from the future. I think you'd
figure something out. I hope we could do that. You
might be surprised things that you don't even realize, you know.
But what's really perplexing is trying to figure out how
you could prove that you had time traveled and you
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were from the past. Now, let that sink in for
a moment. How do you prove that you are from
the past, because anything you say could potentially be the
product of something you had looked up in some archive, right,
And I mean if anybody had the ability to go
(05:48):
back and look that up to verify it. Well, that
means you could have done the same thing to get
that information. How do you prove you are from the past. Now,
I'm gonna this is such a deep question that I'm
going to pause for just a moment and really let
you think about that for a while. How would you
prove that you are from the past. Okay, I'll give
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you a few seconds think about it. That was the
question posed by a kind of cheesy movie that came
out in nineteen eighty four called The Philadelphia Experiment. A
couple of Navy men are part of a space time
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warping experiment on a ship, and they end up being
teleported from nineteen forty three to nineteen eighty four, and
they have to explain, of course that they're not crazy,
that they're actually from the past, and at the same
time they're running from government agents, et cetera. It's actually
been a long time since I've seen it, but that
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movie was based on a very strange legend that sun
belief is either in part or all together a whole,
and many people say it's all hogwash, And then you know, again,
we have those who say, well this is partially true, Well,
look guess what I yours truly, Joshua P. Warren actually
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have some personal insight on this from a man on
the inside that I am going to share with you
on this show right now. And by the way, that
question that I asked about how to prove that you're
from the future, I have asked that question of many
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many people over the years, and nobody had a good answer.
But one day I finally asked that question to a
young lady and she gave me the best answer I've heard.
I still don't know if it's a good answer or not,
but it's the best answer I've heard, and so I'm
going to tell you what it is. But first, okay,
(08:04):
let's start from scratch here. What the heck is the
story behind the Philadelphia Experiment according to modern legend. Well,
let me do my best to explain here. First off,
let's keep this simple. Let me go to Wikipedia and
tell you what what it says right at the top here,
Wikipedia says the Philadelphia Experiment is a conspiracy theory about
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a military experiment supposed to have been carried out by
the U. S. Navy at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
United States. Sometime around October of nineteen forty three, a
US Navy ship, a destroyer escort called the U S. S. Eldridge,
(08:52):
was claimed to have been rendered invisible or cloaked to
enemy devices. Okay, so that's that's the gist of it.
But from there, when you actually start looking at what
is supposed to be the true story, it gets really
weird and disturbing and complex. So let me start telling
(09:15):
you sort of the origins and we'll get into the story.
And I'm gonna have to take a break here in
a minute, but let's let me get us started here. Okay.
So in nineteen fifty five, a scientist named Morris K. Jessup,
remember that name, Jessop. He published this popular book. It
was called The Case for the UFO Unidentified Flying Objects. Now,
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one day in nineteen fifty five, a man named Carl
m Allen, who was an ex merchant marine. He mailed
a copy of this book to the US Office of
Naval Research. Okay, so Jessop wrote the book. Alan, this guy,
who was an ex merchant marine, mails a copy of
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this to the Office of Naval Research, and the book
was filled with all these handwritten notes in the margins
as well as additional notes on paper, and the notes
commented on some of the author's Jessup's ideas about the
propulsion for flying saucers, and it discusses alien races, and
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this guy, Carl Allen is expressing concern that Jessip is
getting too close to discovering this technology and needs to
back off right so now. Shortly thereafter, in January of
nineteen fifty six, Carl M. Allen, this ex merchant mariner,
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he starts sending a series of letters directly to the
author of the book, Morris K. Jessup. The first known
letter warned Jessip not to investigate the levitation of unidentified
flying objects. And then Alan put forth a cautionary tell
a story of dangerous science, based on unpublished theories by
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Albert Einstein about warping space and time. And he further
claimed that a scientist named Franklin Reno had put these
theories into practice at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. They're in
October of nine, and Alan said that he was a
witness to this experiment while he was serving aboard a
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ship called the S. S Andrew First of Okay, when
we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell you
why Alan claimed to have witnessed and what do you
think happened to the author Jessup once he started digging
really deep into this I bet you can guess there
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was so much more to this story. We're gonna get
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I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren,
beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio and Sin City,
Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every
night is silver. And I'm talking about the story from
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this man, Carl m Allen, And I keep saying, you know,
he he was an ex merchant mariner. And in case
you're not sure what that means, the merchant marine here
in the United States, it primarily transports cargo and passengers
during peacetime, but in times of war, the merchant marine
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can be in auxiliary to the United States Navy and
can be called upon to deliver military personnel, uh and
material for the military. Merchant marine officers may also be
commissioned as military offers by the Department of Defense. So
they serve a very interesting dual role there between peacetime
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and wartime, and so they know a lot, they know
a little bit about everything that's going on when it
comes to the coastlines. And so Alan here said that
he was serving aboard this ship called the S. S
Andrew for a seth and in his account, okay, here's
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what he said. A navy ship, this destroyer escort, the
U S S. Eldridge. Uh, it was successfully made invisible.
So here was the idea to to try to use
Tesla coils and and other types of equipment to sort
of shake up and resonate reality and sort of been
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space time, which is a plausible theory really, and see
if they could sort of been light around that ship
so that the ship would become invisible to the naked eye.
That was the intention. And he said that the ship
was made invisible. But then something else happened. Apparently this
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effect was too powerful, and the ship inexplicably then teleported
to a whole different place, Norfolk, Virginia, and it was
there for several minutes, and then it reappeared in the
Philadelphia yard. And when it reappeared, it was almost like
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this thing had had melted and then reformed. And oh
my goodness, they say the ship's crew was supposed to
have suffering all kinds of terrible side effects. Um well,
many of them were insane. Uh, some were literally frozen
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in place. And so Jessup and Alan they started are
responding more and more about this, and Jessup actually went
to the Navy and told the Navy about this correspondence,
and members of the Navy became, shall we say, very
interested in just how much information that this guy Alan
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was telling this author Jessip Right, Well, Jessip tried to
publish more books on the subject of UFOs, but it
was unsuccessful. Uh. They say, he lost his publisher and
experienced a series of downturns and his personal life that
led him to supposedly take his own life in Florida,
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April nineteen fifty nine. That you saw that coming, didn't you. Oh,
he killed himself, like so many other people who end
up in his position. Now, a lot of this was
published in a book in nineteen seventy nine called The
Philadelphia Experiment Project in Visibility by Bill More and Charles Berlitz,
And the full story is much more horrific. Okay, so
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according to all these different accounts, But I just told
you that Alan thing is sort of how this first
was introduced to two mainstream researchers. So here's the here's
the overall legend by combining. Okay, here's the story. The
legend according to anecdotes and sketchy reports and you know,
top secret stuff and I'm going to tell you in
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a minute how much of this may be true. Okay,
the experiment once again. Now, it was allegedly based on
an aspect of some unified field theory, a term coined
by Albert Einstein to describe a class of potential theories. Now,
these are theories that would aim to describe mathematically and
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physically the interrelated nature of the forces of electro magnetism
and gravity. So in other words, trying to combine eyeing
all that into a single field, and using technology that
might be able to manipulate these fields in some way. Now,
according to some accounts, some unspecified quote, researchers thought that
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some version of this field would be uh would enable
using large electrical generators and stuff similar to Tesla coils
to bend the light around the ship, around an object
through refraction, so that it would at least become completely
invisible to the naked eye, but perhaps even radar. And
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you can see why the Navy regarded this as of
great military value and they sponsored the experiment. Now, even
though again there are no reliable accounts, here is what
supposedly happened. Okay, the ship, the USS Eldridge, was fitted
with all of this resonant equipment at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard.
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The testing began in the summer of nineteen forty three,
and it was supposedly successful to a limited extent. One
test resulted in the Eldridge being rendered nearly invisible, with
some witnesses reporting a greenish fog appearing in its place,
which actually makes sense to me because sometimes when you
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start ionizing the air, you get bluish and greenish fogs,
and that is often reported in the Bermuda Triangle right
around the time of some energy convergence where ships start disappearing.
You've probably heard of the green fog before, so anyway,
people who were there, crew members especially, complained of severe
and nausea afterward, and also reportedly when the ship reappeared,
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some sailors were embedded in the metal structures of the ship.
Remember what I said about visioning something like the guys
and the ship kind of melt and then they solidify.
It's as if they were in a non physical state
and the ship was in a non physical state. But
when it all snapped back into physical state, sometimes the
bodies of the men happened to overlap the body of
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the ship. And they became molecularly fused. So this includes
one sailor who ended up on a deck level below
that where he began and had his hand embedded in
the still whole of the ship. They say many sailors
went quote completely bananas. Uh. There is also a claim
(22:37):
that the experiment was altered after that point at the
request of the Navy, limiting it to just trying to
create stealth technology that would just make the Eldridge invisible
to radar. So despite the terrible result, it was so amazing,
so promising, they recalibrated the equipment and the experiment was
(22:58):
repeated on October nineteen three, and this time the Eldridge
not only became invisible, but it disappeared from the area
in a flash of blue light. That is when it's
supposedly teleported to Norfolk, Virginia. That's over two hundred miles away,
and it's claimed the Eldridge sat for some time in
(23:19):
view of the men aboard the s s andrew for
a seth which is what Alan said he was on,
where upon the Eldridge then vanished and reappeared in Philadelphia
at the site where it had originally occupied. Okay and
it was also said that the worship listen to this.
(23:40):
It's also said the worship went approximately ten minutes back
and time. Now. Many versions of this story include descriptions
of various serious, horrible side effects for the crew. Uh.
Some crew members were said to have been physically fused
(24:04):
too to the bulkheads, which are just upright metal walls
inside the ship, while others suffered from extreme mental disorders.
Some guys, according to some of these accounts, re materialized
inside out. Let me repeat that. They claim that some
(24:25):
of these men re materialized with their bodies turned inside out,
and others just vanished. Where did they go? Where they lost?
Somewhere in time? And it's also claimed that the ship's
crew may have been subjected to brainwashing to sort of
(24:46):
maintain the secrecy of the experiment. And that is the
overall legends. So now that you know the story, you
know how it began, and you know the story, is
it true? That's the big question? Is it true? Well,
before I get into what I know, uh, let me
(25:06):
just I need to bring this up because a lot
of you probably know about this. There was a man
and who was making sort of the rounds on the
speaking circuit in the US in the nineteen nineties who
claimed that he was one of those sailors on the
Eldridge who ended up being teleported through time on a
(25:31):
number of occasions. His name was al Bielick, and he
died in well, supposedly there when when it comes to
time travel stuff. Supposedly he died on October tenth of
two thousand eleven, when he was eighty four years old.
(25:52):
When we come back, I'm gonna tell you what al
Billick was claiming happened. I you know, my friend Mark L.
Has Bennett actually got to meet Albilic in person and
he said he was impressed. So I don't know. I'm
gonna tell you what Albilic was saying. But then furthermore,
(26:13):
I'm going to tell you about the inside knowledge that
I got on this from one of the most intelligent
and trusted people that I've ever met in my life.
And then we're gonna get around to that question of
how would you prove if you were from the past.
I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
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Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to
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your host, Joshua Pete Warren, and this is the show
where the unusual becomes usual. And you know, when something
vibrates fast enough, it starts to look invisible, translucent, like
(28:32):
fan blades that are spinning fast enough. You can see
why that if you vibrate something, if you resonate something
at a high at a higher rate, um, you can
achieve that invisibility. But what if you go too far?
What if it's not just the light that you're you're
rattling around and shaking up. What if it's sort of
(28:53):
like you have a sand castle sitting in front of you,
and all the little pieces of sand, all the little
rains are in place, and you start shaking that, well,
then they start breaking down. And maybe that's what happens
when you start using these high powered devices similar to
Tesla coils, and you start amplifying this residence, this frequency
(29:14):
more and more and more. You're not only affecting the light,
but suddenly you start shaking the whole darn molecular structure
up apart, and maybe up in apart, and maybe it
becomes so loose and slippery it can even slide back
and forth through time and space. We don't know how
(29:37):
all that works at this point as civilians as civilians,
but maybe the military does. They have the best budgets, right,
There is some legitimacy behind this concept. So look, I
don't know if al Bilic was legit or not. I
just want to give you a little bit of information
about him, though I have not been able to find
(29:58):
a video of him being interviewed, which is pretty weird.
But there is this great website here called destination tips
dot com and I'm just gonna read you some of
what they've written here. Justin Andrews. According to popular legend,
in nineteen forty three, the U. S. Navy undertook secret experiments.
And then he goes on to say in nineteen ninety
(30:20):
BILLI claimed that he spent time in two separate periods
of the future, only to return to the present and
tell his story. And that was just the beginning of
the fantastic revelations of this totally, completely, absolutely he's being sarcastic,
(30:40):
he says, not fake time traveler. Okay, So anyway, so
Billick wasn't actually saying that he was from the past
necessarily like the characters in the movie. He was saying
that he uh, he actually spent time in the future.
Says he was born a peculiar child by his own words,
and nineteen seven and uh, as a young man, he
(31:04):
joined the navy to five the Nazis said he was
a lowly naval officer serving aboard the Eldridge in nineteen
forty three. And years later, uh he you know, he
started becoming famous because he said that he and his
brother who was also on the ship, they were subject
(31:25):
to some odd happenings on the ship, but they jumped
to safety and they landed in the year twenty one,
thirty seven, and at this futuristic hospital he was treated
with uh, treated for radiation injuries. And he said that, um,
(31:47):
what is this entertainment in the hospital was solely educational
and news programming. Okay, so this is what he's saying.
Thirty seven is like. He said that when he got there,
he discovered that geographical ships had transformed the globe. The
coastlines of every continent had changed dramatically. Florida had disappeared
except for the Panhandle. The Great Lakes were just one
(32:09):
great lake. Atlanta was three miles from the Atlantic Ocean.
He said the US infrastructure had been destroyed, the central
government was a total thing of the past. Both Canada
and the US were gone, ruled over with a kind
of locally enforced martial law. He said that the world
(32:30):
population had diminished. That that's the the US and Europe
had banded together to fight off China and Russia, and
this war killed billions of people and essentially ruined the
world's governments. This is all delightful reading, isn't it. From there,
he was sent even further forward to the year twenty
(32:53):
set nine, where he stayed for two years before being
transported back to one thirty seven, and he said that
in that day and age, government of any kind is
non existent. Everything was run by AI called the Synthetic
Intelligence Computer System and that worked telepathically. Um So this
(33:15):
goes on and on and on with some of the
strange claims that he made. And you know, it's it's
funny because when you know, you could say I've been
to the future, But if you've been so far into
the future, well then it also becomes impossible to prove
that you have spent time in the future, right, because
(33:37):
there's a sweet spot there where you might be able
to come from the future back in time and tell
people who's gonna here's who's gonna win the baseball game
on Monday or whatever. You know that there's a there's
a possibility of doing that. Uh, But when you're talking
about trying to prove you're from the past or that
(33:57):
you have been way way into the future. It's hard
to pen somebody down. So I'm not sure what to
think about al Builic. But once again, he died October
eleven in Guadalajara, Mexico, supposedly eighty four. He was buried
at the local cemetery there. And even though his birth
(34:19):
certificate is dated March thirty one of ninet, he was
mixed up in so much strange time travel stuff there
is debate as to whether or not even that date
is legitimate. Okay, so now what what do I have
to add to this story? All right? So you have
(34:41):
heard me talk, I'm sure many times on this program
about one of the great mentors of mine. He was
a NASA Hall of Fame engineer named Charles A. Yost
And I was an apprentice to him, a lab assistant
for many years in his laboratory in western North Carolina.
(35:03):
And uh, he had such a vast history. I mean,
he was one of the spacecraft designers during the Apollo missions,
including the one that put men on the Moon. And
he was the real deal. Uh. He was a very
strict engineer, and and it's interesting that I bring him
up right now because I recently referenced him. I wrote
(35:26):
an audio book a few years ago called The Oblivious Gods,
and I think everybody would enjoy this. It's short, it's
only thirty minutes long. And my friend John Carter made
a video version of The Oblivious Gods, which if you
go to YouTube and you just type in the Oblivious
Gods and Joshua P. Warren, you can watch this, and
(35:48):
I hope that you will do that, uh, all free
there on YouTube. And I start the video or I
start the presentation out by giving a nod to Charles A.
Yos and I give a quote from him, and there's
a picture of him there. So Anyway, when I was
working in the laboratory with Charles Yost, I of course
(36:10):
asked him about the Philadelphia Experiment and he said, well,
it just so happens that I was on a team
of scientists that the U. S. Navy put together to
investigate the legitimacy of the Philadelphia Experiment. I said, what
he says, Yeah, he says there, Yeah, there were seven
of us and we were brought in to do an
(36:33):
independent review of everything about that case. And we look
through all of the information, and we look through all
the accounts and all, and basically he said, we concluded
that it never happened. So I said, do you mean
it didn't happen at all? And he goes, well, they
were doing experiments, but it just didn't happen. We found
(36:56):
no evidence that it happened the way they said it happened.
So I was disappointed to hear that. But on the
other hand, I felt refreshed that I trusted this guy
and he had you know, he had learned some truth.
I believed him now. He was also a guy who
would correct himself later in life when he you know,
he once told me he didn't think the brown mountain
(37:17):
lights were worth studying, and then it turns out after
I got some good data, he ended up putting my
research on the cover of a science journal. So, you know,
it's not like he he was not a believer in things.
He was a skeptical scientist. But that's what he said
that he didn't find any any evidence, And I thought, well, well,
how do we explain this? Then? Well, you know what,
(37:41):
it turns out there's a very interesting alternative explanation for
what might have happened that gave rise to this particular legend,
and it comes to us from Jacques Valet. And uh,
Jacques Valet, I'm sure you know his name. I mean,
he's he. He was born September of nineteen thirty nine.
(38:04):
He is an Internet pioneer, a computer scientist, a venture capitalist, author, astronomer,
and uthologist. Okay, and I believe that in the movie
Close Encounters of the Third Kind by Spielberg, that they
based the French scientist on a Jacques Vallet. I believe
(38:25):
that's the case. But anyway, he's a very very respected man,
and as a matter of fact, he and I have
been corresponding recently, so I might even be able to
have him on this show at some point. But he
has a really interesting explanation for what might have happened here.
And when we come back from this break, gosh, I
can't believe the show is flown by I'm gonna tell
(38:46):
you what his explanation is, and then I'm gonna tell
you also how it's maybe it's possible to prove that
you're from the past. All I can tell you is
in twenty I was in phil Delphia, Pennsylvania, and I
was doing a book signing for my book called Use
the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law of Attraction,
(39:09):
and at one point I said, I want to make
it a point two to drive over the bridges over
the Philadelphia Shipyard there so I could look down and
imagine that something happened down there. Um. I don't know
if it happened exactly the way that the legend goes,
(39:32):
but I felt I just felt it was a meaningful.
It was cool for me to look down on that
water and and imagine the Philadelphia experiment. I'm Joshua Pete Warren.
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And gosh, we had such a great time as you'll
as you'll see all right. Back to the Philadelphia experiment. Well,
here is what Jacques Valet said. He said that there
was another ship there that was docked alongside the Eldridge
(42:27):
in nineteen forty three, and this was called the U S.
S Angstrom E n G S t R O M.
And he said that, uh, the on there was a
procedure that they did an experiment they did there and
on that ship. The operation involved a generation of powerful
electro magnetic fields on board the ship in order to
(42:51):
de gossip. Now, when you decass something, you're making it
less detectable magnetically, and so you used you can definitely
use electromagnetism for that. And he said the goal of
rendering the ship was to make it, Uh was to
render the ship undetectable or invisible if you will, to
(43:13):
magnetically fused undersea minds and torpedoes. So apparently they would
have minds and torpedoes back in those days, and they
would have a switch or a fuse or whatever that
would only activate when a ship went overboard or or
or went went above, when a ship would float over top,
(43:34):
and then you know, it would activate this thing. And
so if you could decoss the ship, it wouldn't trigger
those minds. And it goes on to say here British
ships of the era often included such degossing systems built
into upper decks. De goossing is still used today, However,
(43:55):
it has no effect on visible light or radar, and
Valet speculates that some of the accounts about them doing
this stuff with the Inngstrom and decussing it and using
all these weird um pieces of equipment may have turned in,
you know, through confabulation two, you know, through subsequent retellings.
(44:17):
This kind of got morphed into the story of the
Philadelphia experiment. That's much more ethereous sounding thing. And Valet
cites a veteran who served on board the Angstrom who
suggests that it might have actually traveled in a test
run from Philadelphia to Norfolk and back again in a
(44:39):
single day at a time when merchant ships could not uh,
that was at a time that it was when it
was only open to naval vessels and the use of
that channel was kept quiet and German submarines had been
you know, threatening the East coast, and basically that there
(45:00):
was this sort of secret experiment where this ship was
traveling back and forth between Philadelphia and Virginia there to
see if it could do so and invisibly so to speak.
When it comes to you know, not triggering these these
types of minds, and the same veteran uh said that, uh,
(45:25):
there was some kind of witness there who disappeared at
a bar because there was a bar fight that broke
out after the experiment was over or something like that,
and some guy was running his mouth about it, and
that uh, some of his buddies covered for him by
claiming that he had disappeared so imagined like some sailors
(45:46):
apart of this experiment, and then uh, he goes out
running his mouth the bar and then they say, oh,
he disappeared, you know, spooky government stuff. You know what
it's it's an inter instinct theory. It maybe. I mean,
I can understand if that's true, how that some of
those facts through retelling. This is like how urban legends
(46:08):
and urban myths evolved, could have become more and more
extreme and turned into what we now know is the
Philadelphia Experiment. I think that certainly something along the lines
of the Philadelphia experiment has happened. But when it comes
to this particular case, as you can see, we're kind
of in a hall of mirrors here, I don't think
(46:28):
it happened the way that we have heard. But they
were experimenting with something there and it created that Bizarro effect.
So I don't know that I resolved anything for you,
but I'm also you know, I just have to go
with what I've heard. And that's a pretty good explanation.
(46:51):
Now let's get back to this question here. How would
you prove that you were from the past. It's a
good one. I asked that question too, like I said,
many people over the years, and the only person who
ever gave me an answer that I thought might actually
work was when I was talking with Tad mcdivott and
his wife Simone. Now Tad mcdivott has been on this show.
(47:15):
He is the chief occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville
tour business, and he has been my top tour guide
longer than anybody else, for years and years and years.
He's a master storyteller. And one day I was sitting
down with him and Simone and I was we got
off onto this topic, you know, and I said, how
would you prove that you were from the past? And
(47:38):
Simone says, well, she had read that in nineteen once
we really started exploding, not only the atomic bombs but
doing all kinds of atomic testing, that it was so
extensive that people who were born after nineteen forty five
(48:03):
have a more general have a generally higher level of
radioactive particles in their system than those who were born
before nineteen and that in this particular case, you might
be able to determine if somebody was born before nineteen
(48:25):
forty five, um, by by judging the amount of radioactivity
and that person's body. Now, look, I have I have
not spent a lot of time. I've only done a
cursory search of this, so I'm not sure if if
that's possible or not. But she brings up a very
good point. Are even if that is not something that
(48:48):
is necessarily measurable? And again I don't know if it is,
you let me know. You you you can contact me and
tell me if there's a source for that. But are
there other sort of chemical elements of proof that may
or may not illustrate? Um, if you can tell if
at if a person was born before a certain time
like that, I don't know, but I thought that was
(49:08):
pretty smart. So thank you for that, simone. And um
now I hand the mystery over to you, my dear audience.
So let me squeeze in a quick email here from
a listener. This comes from a Miss Diaz in Colorado.
She says, just a note to let you know I
received my miraculous prayer board the other day and I
(49:29):
am thrilled with it. And this has nothing to do
and that she's talking about something she got from my
curiosity shop. She says, this has nothing to do with
any prayers being answered. I just love the feel of it,
the subtle electrical resonance of it. I sit and meditate
with it while listening to your good Fortune tone on
the show. It feels so pleasant. It's like massaging my brain.
(49:54):
The combination of the tone and the board is just wonderful.
I've used a number of me of physical tools in
the past, and this is both the most straightforward to
use as well as the easiest to handle in shape
and weight and size. And I'm very, very happy with
this investment in my spiritual growth. Thank you. And then
(50:15):
she goes on to ask me something that a number
of people have asked me over the past week. She says,
regarding the good Fortune tone, Uh, is there a way
to find a longer version of the good Fortune tonue?
Something you know that I could listen to for ten
twenty thirty minutes, and I'm telling people, yes, you're in luck.
I have created a longer version of the Good Fortune tone,
(50:38):
up to thirty minutes long, and if you just sign
up for my free e newsletter, then you'll get a
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And it's got not only this is all free, but
it's got my e book there and audio book and
a bunch of tones, and there are different versions of
the Good Fortune Tone. And I love that description. Thank
(51:01):
you so much, Ms Diaz. I love that description of
saying it feels like it's massaging my brain. That seems
very fitting, doesn't it. As we've been talking about residents
and the Philadelphia experiment, I've been scratching my brain for
a while, so I think we can all use a
nice brain massage. So as usual, I'm going to end
(51:21):
the program with the good Fortune tone. Hey, you know what,
if you can close your eyes at very least take
a deep breath. Maybe if you have a glass of water,
you put it next to the speaker, charge it up
with this tone, and then you know, let us sit
there for a minute or two and drink it and
see if you feel any better. All right, here we go.
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Everybody loves this thing. It's becoming very popular. Enjoy the
good fortune. Tom. That's it for this edition of the show.
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