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Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird.
This is Strange Things with Joshua Wren. I am Joshua P. Warren,
and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
grand new mind blowing contents, news exercises, and weird experiments
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you can do at home, and a lot more. And
on this edition of the show, Bizarre Occult Experiences. You know,
there's a difference between the word occult and cult, right,
Occult simply means hidden, secret, beyond view. When people talk
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about a cult, they are talking about usually a group
of individuals that have some kind of agenda. Now we're
talking about the occult, the hidden, the mysterious, and in fact,
soon on the show you will hear me having a
conversation with the chief occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville
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Ghost Tours in Asheville, North Carolina investigator Tad McDivitt, and, boy,
are we going to get into some weird stories. Let
me tell you about some of the strange things connected
to my Asheville Mystery Museum that I created and operated
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for over ten years. Uh. We had to close it
down in early because it was located in the basement
of the Asheville Masonic Temple, a glorious but very old
building that was having constant problems with flooding, and it
was damaging a lot of stuff in the basement, and
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so it's undergoing renovations that we had to clear everything
out of there, and at some point my collection will
indeed be displayed somewhere else. In fact, I have a
really interesting update for you on this show about something
that I recently had shipped to my house that is
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so valuable to me. I I've never actually put it
on public display. It's possibly the most haunted item that
I have. But my Asheville Mystery Museum was originally in
a small jail building right there in downtown Asheville, blow
A Hill, and it was part of a property that
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is now a restaurant called Pack's Tavern, and I want
to share this story with you because all the years
that I've been doing paranormal investigation, I have heard some
pretty weird stuff. And usually when some kind of a
ghostly encounter happens, um it doesn't all tie together as
neatly as a traditional campfire story, but it sure does
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in this case. You see this old jail building which
was right outside where the old gallows where where people
were being hanged. It was frequently, frequently the topic of
ghostly experiences in town. I myself got snowed in there
one night. I was sleeping by myself and I was
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awakened about two o'clock in the morning when some very
strong hands pulled my covering off of my body. In
that particular case, my covering was a big old wool
trench coat. I could go on and on telling you
stories about the place, but here's my favorite one. Listen
to this, Okay, I swear to you what I'm about
to tell you is true, hand on a stack of bibles.
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So one of the ladies who worked with me there
was named Cat, and Cat was certainly a paranormalist. She
was always into strange things, but she was not the
type of person who would report something paranormal unless it
really happened. Okay, her imagination wasn't that out of control.
And she was there working by herself at the museum
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one cold January day. As a matter of fact, it
was January twenty three of two thousand eleven, and she
called me around six pm. I was at home that day,
and Cat was freaking out. She said that there was
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nobody else in the entire building. There was no sign
of anybody even around the building. She was walking through
some of the rooms and at one point she turned
a corner and she ran smack dab into a big, tall, dark,
solid form of a man. I mean instantly, you know
it was. She was shocked because she thought, I guess
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somebody must have quietly slipped in here and I didn't
notice it. And then as soon as she realized this big,
dark figure of a man was there in front of her,
it just disappeared in the blink of an eye. It
rattled her so much that she immediately was like, oh
my god, you know, I'm out of here. And so
she closed up the museum and told me, I don't
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know what I experienced, but it had to be some
kind of a ghost. There's no evidence anybody came into
the building. So I said, okay, well that's pretty extreme,
you know, as a report from Cat, we'll get a
load of this. About three hours later, I received a
phone call from Vance Pollock. And Vance is a man
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I've known for a long long time. He is I believe,
the very best forensic historian in the world. And at
some point I'm sure I'll have Vance on this show,
and Goodness knows the stories will dig into. Advance is
always out there looking up old documents and archives, and
he has this incredible synchronistic knack for coming across interesting information.
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So Vance had been researching the history of the property,
and he knew absolutely nothing about Cat's experience. And yet
he called me on the phone to say, Josh, guess
what I just found out something that I think is
going to amaze you. He said, I just learned that
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a former Buckham County sheriff, because Asheville is located in
Buncolm County, a former Buckham County not a sheriff's deputy,
a very well known sheriff named John Liarley, who is
a prominent figure in Asheville in the early nineteen hundreds,
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and also had a very bad reputation, by the way,
for being an extremely violent man. He said John Liarlely,
Sheriff Liarley, committed suicide in our old jail museum building.
He was apparently, according to a news article that Vance
sent me, he was distraught over the death of his
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wife from a recent illness, and so Sheriff Liarley went
into our building and he took his service revolver and
put a bullet in his head. And shortly thereafter he
was discovered by some other officers, and John Liarley had
killed himself on are you ready for it? That exact
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same day, January twenty three of nineteen twenty four, exactly
eighty seven years before that day, none of us knew
anything about that, And yet that evening, around five or
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six pm, Cat had walked into what was obviously in
retrospect the anniversary ghost of Sheriff John Liarley. Now can
you imagine being in my position, So I'm sort of
the center of all this activity, where I get this
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call from Cat telling me I just had this experience,
and I'm like, okay, I guess there's a ghost. And
then three hours later, vance the historian calls me, knowing
nothing about this, and tells me, oh, this is the
anniversary of when this prominent figure killed himself in the building.
Do you think that as a coincidence? I mean, honestly,
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does that seem like a coincidence to you? Well, it
certainly does not to me. I feel quite confident that
this is one of those events that should prove that
ghostly phenomena is real and that there is something to
these cycles two anniversaries. There is meaning behind all of this.
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And that's one of my favorite stories because again, it
all comes together so neatly that it's just like, uh,
it's like something that was made up in a work
of fiction. But it's true. It's true. And you know
what we said, We're gonna be ready next year on
the anniversary to see if we can capture his spirit.
The following year, on January, we were there in the building,
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had our equipment set up, we were ready to go,
and we did have some strange electro magnetic fluctuations. We
got some odd misty pictures here and there, but we
didn't get a full bodied apparition. But I I feel
sure that he might have been just around the corner.
You know, there were a number of rooms there, and uh,
that is that's an example of why you can sort of,
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if you have enough data, look for patterns and correlations
that might lead you to have a better understanding of
when something ghostly is going to materialize. So Tad mcdibbott,
Tad mcdibbott, d I v I T t the chief
occult researcher for Haunted Ashville. As a guy I've known
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for oh at least fifteen years. Uh, he has devoted
his entire life to all things mysterious, ghosts, magic, UFOs, cryptids, arcane, rituals,
you name it. Okay, He's published books, He's been on
numerous TV and radio programs. He has personally met and
given weird tours to hundreds of people, actually, make that
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thousands of people from around the world. And I always
go down a weird and wonderful rabbit hole when we
start talking about the unexplained. So I'm I called up
Tad the other day to get an update on how
things are going with him, and we started talking about
some of the weird things that he has experienced throughout
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his life, and I felt, you know what, this is
a good time to share some of this with those
of you who listen to this podcast, because I mean, uh,
not only were gonna talk about sort of how he
got into this and what occult research really is, but
also he had a very bizarre experience with a creature,
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a creature something I kind of preachure I bet you've
never heard of before, in a stream in the mountains
of West to North Carolina. Wait till you hear him
tell you all about it when we come back after
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the Wizard of Weird. Be me into your wormhole brain
from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where
every day is golden and every night is silver. And yes,
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I just recently talked to investigator Tad mcdivott, the chief
occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville Ghost Stores in Asheville,
North Carolina that have been around for gosh over twenty
five years now. At this point, I guess that's amazing,
and uh, you're going to be I'm sure quite intrigued
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with some of his bizarre experiences. And so, you know,
I started simply enough by just saying, Dad, tell everybody
what got you into us? Died in the occult and
the paranormal. And here's what he said that the easiest
one to explain is the academic side. When I was
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studying Latin, I was also in eighth grade, huge fantasy head,
you know, Lord of the Rings, kid playing a lot
of D and D, you know, just gobbling up like
Clash of the Titans and those classics fantasy eighties stuff.
And it was in Latin Plants that it just kind
of dawned on me like this huge bomb that all
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of the stuff, all of the myths, all of the legends,
from all of the saints, the stereotypes and tropes, they
oh come from somebody's serious religion at some point in
human history. We like to liberally use the term fairy
tale to describe that which cannot exist. But on the
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other time, the end of it, there's entire sweats of
even modern European culture that believes these spirit entities actually
do exist. You know. It's it all comes down to
this weird language barrier, um. And that's the real that's
the real challenge of it is the fact that when
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you're dealing with this this kind of thing, every culture
believes in spirits when you go far back in US
in one form or another, you know, um. But all
the different cultures and languages have different words for them.
So the big question here is are they talking about
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the same things in using different terms, or are these
technically different kind of spirit. Okay, you told me a
story one time that is really eriem bizarre about what
you witnessing, a serpent like creature. And I don't know
if if we can put this in the realm of
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um crypto zoology, or if this is some kind of
an elemental spiritual thing that you saw. So let's just
hear that story and let's dissect it and figure out
what the heck happened here? Okay, UM, Because now that
we're like on record, I can I'm going to voice
some of my personal opinions because I tell the story
a lot, but I don't often totally embellished what I think. UM.
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But it's happened very shortly after I moved to Asheville.
We're talking, n UM. I was fourteen years old. Um.
We lived in especially a little bit of background. UM.
I just moved to Asheville from Culpepper, Virginia. Uh. And
to kind of add to it, you know, a move
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is stressful enough, and being fourteen and going through puberty
is rough enough. But also my parents divorce right while
I'm going through this transition to so we get to
Asheville and it's just me, my dad, and my brother. UM,
my mom has moved on, and so I'm like in
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any emotional terrible state the best way to put it.
And my father, when you move to Asheville, you know,
what do the locals do? And one of the things
that the locals do in Asheville as you go up
on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Um. So he would take
us to check out the Blue Ridge Parkway and he
would take us to a place UM called Graveyard Fields,
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which would end up being a significant place for me
where a number of weird paranormal events have happened. Um.
And it's this beautiful camping area that has an upper
and lower falls and water coming through it. And we're
there with my little brother who is seven and I'm fourteen,
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and my dad. We kind of clambered down to the
lower falls and my brother is playing close to the water,
and my father obviously is paying a little bit more
attention to the seven year old close to the water
than he is fourteen year old. So I take the
opportunity to get away from my family because that's where
my head space is, and I start firming the water
going southward. Well, I walk for I don't know what
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seems to me maybe half an hour or forty five minutes,
and I get to a point in the water where
it opens wide prolest ten feet wine and deep, and
that's like, in fact, feelands that are been hiking on
fresh mountain water streams. There's a point where you can't
tell how deep it is because it's all shadow. So
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I sit down with my back against a tree, and
I'm just fishing and griping and honestly trying a little
bit because I'm just hot mess and I don't know
what's going on now. While I'm sitting there. It's when
at first I thought were branches moving, and this head
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tops out of the water looking at me, and it
is a It's so hard to explain because I don't
have any physical references on the radio, but I will
do my best to describe the dimensions. A serpent head
that's about four ft long three see wide, and that's
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just the side of the head, but also there are
what kind of looks like wood anglery branches on its
head just pops out of the water and stared at me,
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and I freeze in a panic, and I just stare
for a few seconds. It went back down in the
water and I jack rabbit out of there freaked out.
I can't say how many people have these kinds of
paranormal experiences. But after something like that, you attempt to
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reconcile what you experienced. Who I started doing research, you know,
firstly on some new dash there anything about the area,
and you know, you start with local herpetology, and the
hell said that they should have a sign if there's
a big, huge you know, I don't know what you
look like. And the only thing I would find is
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a reference to a Cherokee mis the theological figure that
is a horn serpent, and the Cherokee has stories about
it appearing in that area. Um. The creature is called
the hook tenna stelled u t a e t n
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a um. Now that is the flat up as as
as if I were talking to a cop what I
experienced part not. Let me give you the over the
years experiences. First off, that thing has shown up in
more than a fair share number of my dreams over
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the year. According to the Cherokee lore, it is a
a water elemental spirit that's kind of an animistic embodiment
of secrets and mystery. In fact, there's an old charity
term that as I was describing the when you can't
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see the bottom of the stream. When the Cherokees phrases
that's where the accenta goes, and that I can't see
it is the symbolism for the enshronement of the secret
in the mystery. You know, here's an interesting thing for
us to to dig into, because it seems like that
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someone who is say a hunter his whole life, who
just goes out and he's shooting deer and rabbits and
squirrels and turkeys, he sees a bigfoot. Then that bigfoot
seems so solid and real to him that he can't
imagine it being anything that he would call a spirit
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or an interdimential thing, because he imagines that to mean
that it's some kind of you know, translucent, ephemeral, whispy thing.
On the other hand, you have people who are into
u the spirit world, and they believe that every time
they see some weird creature, they can't explain it's some
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kind of spirit, you know that look at a firefly
and say it's a fairy or whatever. And so you
and I are able to look at it from both
points of view because the reality is, it seems to
me that there may be beings out there which can
slip back and forth between the physical and non physical.
And so when you see one of these creatures, it
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is absolutely physical and solid to you, but then all
of a sudden it's gone anymore. And so it's it's
like that, you know, these beings can slip back and forth,
and and there are you know, the European traditions, I believe,
are a little more open minded about that than than
how we view it here in America. How would you
describe that relationship between the physicality of beings and and
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how we describe them in our lore. There is a
kind of I'm gonna flip flop in first, you know,
use a little bit of old religion language, but also
use modern science language, because I think they're both kind
of been spiraling around the same idea. That and the
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old spirit Victorian spiritualism especially, um they really believe that
there was this veil or like a curtain, a barrier
that separates statistical and spiritual. And I think possibly what
we're talking about is something that can punch through that veil,
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but not on a permanent basis, if that makes sense.
And eventually to kind of explain the constant effect of
it is that I think that it can punch through
that veil for whatever motivation, and I think it actually
requires a considerable amount of expenditure of energy and efforts
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for that spirit to do that. But once they get here,
their time here is kind of limited because the nature
of here doesn't permit such mystical things. So the veil's
gonna wrap around him and pull him back. Yeah, in
rather short order, I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to
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Now let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren.
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast a am para normal podcast Network.
It's the show where the unusual becomes usual. I'm your host,
the Wizard of Where, Joshua Pete Warren. And now here
is more of my recent conversation with the chief occult
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researcher for Haunted Asheville investigator, Tad McDivitt. You know, Um,
of all the things that you have researched, one that
um you seem to dig quite deeply in was the
meaning behind the tarot deck. And UM, you know what's
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funny is that most people are familiar with the tarot,
but they don't really know the history of what the
symbol mean. What can you tell somebody about the taro
deck that would sort of open their eyes? First off,
there's a lot of misinformation about where it came from. Uh,
especially in American circles. Uh there's stories that they're come
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from the Romani, which are not true. Um, stories that
they come from Satanism and Richcraft, and there was ansel
posts that claims that, but anti possibly that's not true. Um.
First off, anyone who's familiar with the tarot, notice that
there's a major in the minor ar kind of and
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the major arcana came about that injuries before the minor
arcana did. And that's when thing worth noting and what
I think they're in original and intention and what culture
actually created them. They are ancient Shuism and they were
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used as flash cards for education. The cards of the
major arcana correlate to the letters of the Hebrew language.
So so what is the difference between major arcana and
minor arcana. Oh, the major arcana are kind of almost
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like archetype symbolisms. Okay, they are, the best way I
could put it, the characters of the story. If the
carrot spread as a story. The minor arcana are the
plot details of the story, and that's probably the easiest
way to distinguish them. Okay. So the major ones were
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flash cards, so to speak, to teach detally, I think
they were. I think they were used to um teach
the letters literacy and early Hebrew mathematics. Is I think
what they were original intention were and what makes you
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think of that? Um, you can jump down this rabbit
hole of cobolistic correlation and really be two ancient Judaism mysticism.
There are twenty four major arcana. There are twenty four
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letters of the Hebrew language. It was all prototype of education.
When you're looking at that chart of the tree of life,
that's actually math and letters for ancient ancient Judaism. One
through ten was their math set. It's the circles of
the separa and then the four interconnectors would of twenty
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four letters of their language, and hence knowledge, letters, numbers.
Knowledge and the card were overflection and because they realized,
you know, repetition and symbolic pictures made these things click
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in their heads better. And so originally I think these
cards were flash cards for learning masks, or at least
the original error Jewish prototype of it, which is one
through ten zero doesn't really exist as an abstract idea yet.
But also the letters of their language is all taught
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through these flash cards, and so the minor arcana number
themselves from one through ten for the same reason you
have this deck and in it for all these symbolic
correlations to the letters of their language and the numbers
that they use. And hence you had what was in
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a pocket deck of cards, an ancient tribal textbook. And
so if someone sits down and gets a good, valid
tarot card reading, Um, do you do you think that
it actually can tell something about the future? And if so,
how does that process work? According to the lore, Solomon
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is king Solomon, it Israel is the one who started
doing divination with them and the and and here is
the theory to get heady, that is, all of reality
is math and letters. Then the deck is also math
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and letters. And we're just gonna assume, in this creepy
quantum entanglement principle that what's going on in the bigger
picture we'll just synchronistically lined up with what we randomly
throw out. And that's the theory. And Solomon was solid
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enough with his connection to the Lord and wisdom, and
that's how using them as divination kind of came into existence. Um,
it's kind of interesting even in scripture where they're saying, hey,
you shouldn't do divination, and actually it's the states that
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only a master of the temple should do devination. And
I think there's this a man you should be qualified,
not a never ever ever do it? Okay, Well, let
me ask you this when it comes to understanding magical
principles in general, what do you think the relationship is
between magic and speaking words? Oh, They're so incredibly connected
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to a degree to where I think a lot of
people unknowingly and unconsciously sabotage their own state and love
with what comes out of their mouth unfiltered. It's so connected.
And well, how do you feel that process works? What
is it about speaking a word that somehow is able
to bring a physical manifestation into being? The way I
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look at it again goes back to that a cobolistic
because Solomon and israelismont of my heroes in the ancient
mystical world, and a very neat way of looking at
it that almost correlates in a very fascinating way with
modern physics. Fascinating way of looking at it. When you
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look at their language, all of the vowel of their
language look like their licks, and all the consonants of
their language look like branches and sticks, And their language
pectorially is supposed to look like licks a fire on branches,
which I'm pre sure is the bring bush rick. Yeah, um,
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by Oh, it's fascinating. They believe that when you speak,
you're literally creating, uh, just as the Creator himself does.
And just as the universe has hard matter and then
energy to move it along, so our language has hard
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consonants and the vowels move it along, and they are
correlated speaking with the act of divine creation. I mean,
you're literally creating words. Your words create worlds in other
people's minds, and they it was very sacred, you know. Um.
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I think that's why a lot of their more primal
prayers were in complete silence, because I wanted to design
alone to be the audience to the creation that they
are voices. You know. I remember when you told me
that the ancient Hebrew language looks like licks of flame
on branches, which must go back to the burning bush.
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And it's so important because that is when supposedly God
reveals his name, which we loosely interpret as you know,
I am what I am, or I am that I am,
And I know it gets a little more complicated than that,
but still, uh, the name of God. Speaking the name
of God is to this day considered a very sacred
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thing among many many people from the Judeo Christian traditions,
and so it's almost like that that encounter with God
in the burning bush is the is the the the
foundation for language in general, and how the language is
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itself ultimately a magical thing that goes back to God's
language being the vibration that created reality as we know it.
Would you say that, oh well, I mean, just look
at the world we live in numbers, letters, miracle after
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miracle after America, Austra miracle. I mean, does look at
our world? Every bit of our literature are scient landing
on the moon, splitting the atom. It all calmed from
that ancient letters numbers. So those are the parts of
my recent conversation with investigator Tad mcdivott that I wanted
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to share with you on this show. Thank you Tad
for being on the program. And of course you can
get a personal tour from Dad if you go to
Haunted Asheville dot com if you are in the Asheville,
North Carolina area. Asheville is spelled a s h E
v I l l E. You know, Tad does a
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special tour in addition to the usual tours, especial when
every Friday night at eight pm it's called the super
Natural Tour. It's a more in depth tour that gets
into things that are beyond what the average tourists might
look into. So if you're a die hard, check into
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that when we come back from this break. Oh wait
till you hear about what I got in the mill today.
I've been excited about sharing this with you, and you
will see why the energy in my house has changed
a bit today. And uh, it's it's a celebratory feeling,
(40:58):
but some people may be freaked out. And and I
have an interesting testimonial to read for you as well.
Um this is it's there's just not enough time in
this show. But hey, at least you're never bored, right,
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And guess what I got in the mail today. Now
you know, I'm a guy who has been professionally investigating
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the strangest stuff in the world most of my life,
and I've been accused of being a little borderline hoarder.
I mean not just every Tom Dick and Harry has
a museum, and I have plenty of stuff from all
around the world in storage. At some point I'll just
do it podcast and I'll just tell you about all
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the stuff I have. Isn't just a cool idea for
a podcast where I I make a list of all
the weird, like the most amazing stuff I have, and
I just tell you the story behind all of it.
That might even take up two or three podcasts. But
I have one thing that I really really cherish. Um
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that it's it's one of those things I've never put
on public display. And of course, you know, in my
home right now, I have Carville the alien. That's art
Bells wooden alien statue that apparently comes to life sometimes
at night. That is something that I don't ever plan
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on parting with. Okay, that's uh, I don't. I don't
know that I'll ever put him permanently in a public
place of display. He he just brings such a great
feeling to my home. But listen to this. I have
something I've never put on public display. And I will
dig into this much more deeply at some point in
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the future, but let me just tell you for now
that in the nineteen seventies, Dr Raymond Moody wrote a
best selling book called Life After Life, in which he
coined the phrase near death experience, and he pretty much
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you know, created, if not certainly popularized, the term tunnel
of light. I mean, a lot of this language that
we use now as part of the pop culture lexicon
is attributed to Dr Raymond Moody in the work that
he did, and he's just a wonderful guy, one of
the smartest people I've ever met. He has two pH ds.
I'm very proud to consider him a friend at this
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point in my life. And I think around two thousand
and eight, I hired Dr Raymond Moody to come to
Black Mountain, North Carolina and host a workshop on his
psycho Mantium technique. Now, this is a mirror technique that
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he wrote about in his popular book called Reunions, based
upon his in depth research regarding some of the ancient
Greek techniques of using reflective surfaces in order to have
some kind of a contact experience with deceased loved ones.
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And and and again. At some point in the future
I'll go into all the details on the technique, but
he sort of modernized this technique so that you take
a mirror and you put it in a very particular
type of setting, and under the right circumstances, people can
sit in a dimly lit room by themselves, stare at
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the mirror, and then they will in many cases, actually
have a spiritual experience. Sometimes the deceased loved one actually
appears and literally emerges from the mirror and is standing
there and they have a fully interactive experience. Okay, just
as if the person is back alive, physical, and corporeal. Again,
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I'm telling you, it's that mind boggling. And so when
he first started sort of telling people what he had
rediscovered regarding this technique, he he was traveling around the
world and he brought a mirror with him on many
of his travels. And this is a mirror that he
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purchased at a little antique store in Anniston, Alabama. That's
where he's from, Alabama, and he just loved the look
of it. It said. It's a very old ornate mirror,
and he and his wife, Cheryl, actually painted the frame
of it black. And so this mirror has been with
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him all around the world. Thousands of people have looked
into it and had interactions with spirits. And he brought
that mirror with him to the workshop that I hired
him to give in in Black Mountain, North Carolina. And
I'm telling you, the people who attended that workshop was
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a who's who of professional paranormal investigators and celebrities. Rosemary
Ellen Guiley was there. She was a wonderful lady, a
good friend who has now passed, and she was especially
interested in scrying and mirror techniques, and so it's very
significant to me that she looked into this mirror during
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that weekend. It was like it was a three day
workshop that I set up at a resort called the
Madison Inn, and she had an experience with the mirror.
Mark Nesbit did, Gosh, Ray Buckland was there, he did,
I mean, like I'm telling you. So. The funny thing is,
when this event um was over, Dr Moody and his
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wife were heading back home. They had driven into town
but Um, but Dr Moody realized there were some people
who had made plans to say an extra day at
the resort and wanted to continue experimenting. And so he said, well,
you know, Josh, it's okay for you to keep the
set up the room we have set up with this mirror,
and you can just ship it back to me when
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the weekend is over. So he went back home. I
went and got the mirror to ship back to him.
But I thought m and I contacted him and said,
what are the chances you would consider selling this mirror
to me? And at first he didn't want to do it.
But then his wife, Cheryl, said, you know, we're actually
renovating everything and upgrading everything. So look, long story short,
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he sold this mirror to me. Okay, it belongs in
the Smithsonian, but he sold it to me and Lauren
and I we picked it up. We put it in
the trunk of our car. We left the Madison in
we stopped at a pizza place called my Father's Pizza
and Mountain, North Carolina. We stepped out of the car
to go have lunch, and we took two or three
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steps and in the trunk of the car, we heard
boom boom, boom, boom boom, pounding in the trunk like
somebody was locked in the trunk trying to get out.
And I went over and opened the trunk and there
was nothing in the trunk except the mirror. True story, well,
that mirror was hung on the wall in our house
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at the time in North Carolina, and that's when all
kinds of spooky things started happening. We would hear people
talking in the living room at night when nobody was around.
The alarm system started going off and nobody was around.
That kind of stuff, And yeah, I love this mirror
so much, and it's so fragile and so haunted and
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so meaningful because of its connection with Dr Moody and
his groundbreaking work, that I never put it in my museum.
I was just too worried it might get broken somehow
in the museum, so I gave it to my mom,
um and dad for safe keeping. When I started traveling
the world so much and moved to Puerto Rico for
years to study the Bermuda Triangle, and all that time,
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my mom has been kind of freaked out by it,
and so my mom decided to just cover it up
and put it away. And well, anyway, I finally told
my mom, please ship it to me here in Las Vegas,
and so we got it shipped out here, and today
I picked up this big box and opened it and
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arrived beautifully thanks to professional packing by FedEx. And now
I have Dr Moodie's mirror hanging on my wall. And
I will be telling you very soon what happens now
at my house now that I have this. But I
know people are like Josh, I thought you weren't gonna
bring haunted stuff into your house. That is true, but
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this is such a precious thing. We'll see how long
that last, so I'll keep you updated all right before
this show is over, Listen, I I have a testimonial
I want to read to you about the good Fortune
tone that I played on some of the past few shows.
You know what I'm talking about. I have this tone,
(52:15):
which is the good Fortune tone. It's based on the
Golden ratio. When you hear it, it's twenty seconds. It's
supposed to bring something good uh into your life. The
following week, let me read to you this email I
got from Laura and Michigan. She said, just wanted to
give you a short testimonial regarding this sound. She said,
I listened to it last night prior to going to bed. Mistake,
(52:39):
I did my own experiment. I just happened to have
a glass of water with me. And I don't know
if this means anything, but this particular glass is not
actually glass. It's a unique hammered metallic beverage container that
is copper plated on the outside, she says. Anyway back
to the testimonial, I placed the cup on laptop so
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the sound could reach and penetrate it. I then drank
it right after. Soon after, I felt so perked up,
felt like I had drank twenty cups of coffee. I
couldn't sleep. I still feel that way now, so it
would be interesting to know others reactions to the sound.
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I will try it again, but not so late at
night and without the copper plated glass, she says. I'm
seventy one. I've seen, read, studied, gone to many conferences
and webinars on all levels of the spiritual nature. She says,
I appreciate your dedication, curiosity, creativity, and how today's science
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is catching up to what the mystics already knew. Keep
up the good work, love what you're doing and sharing blessings.
That's from Laura and Michigan. Thank you Laura. So here
you go, folks. Maybe you can try out what she suggested.
Here is the good luck tone for twenty seconds. All right,
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let me know if you put a cup or a
glass near that, and if so, what happened to you.
I'm gonna try it out and I'll be keeping you
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Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird.
This is Strange Things with Joshua Wren. I am Joshua P. Warren,
and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
grand new mind blowing contents, news exercises, and weird experiments
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you can do at home, and a lot more. And
on this edition of the show, Bizarre Occult Experiences. You know,
there's a difference between the word occult and cult, right,
Occult simply means hidden, secret, beyond view. When people talk
(01:22):
about a cult, they are talking about usually a group
of individuals that have some kind of agenda. Now we're
talking about the occult, the hidden, the mysterious, and in fact,
soon on the show you will hear me having a
conversation with the chief occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville
(01:45):
Ghost Tours in Asheville, North Carolina investigator Tad McDivitt, and, boy,
are we going to get into some weird stories. Let
me tell you about some of the strange things connected
to my Asheville Mystery Museum that I created and operated
(02:07):
for over ten years. Uh. We had to close it
down in early because it was located in the basement
of the Asheville Masonic Temple, a glorious but very old
building that was having constant problems with flooding, and it
was damaging a lot of stuff in the basement, and
(02:27):
so it's undergoing renovations that we had to clear everything
out of there, and at some point my collection will
indeed be displayed somewhere else. In fact, I have a
really interesting update for you on this show about something
that I recently had shipped to my house that is
(02:48):
so valuable to me. I I've never actually put it
on public display. It's possibly the most haunted item that
I have. But my Asheville Mystery Museum was originally in
a small jail building right there in downtown Asheville, blow
A Hill, and it was part of a property that
(03:11):
is now a restaurant called Pack's Tavern, and I want
to share this story with you because all the years
that I've been doing paranormal investigation, I have heard some
pretty weird stuff. And usually when some kind of a
ghostly encounter happens, um it doesn't all tie together as
neatly as a traditional campfire story, but it sure does
(03:34):
in this case. You see this old jail building which
was right outside where the old gallows where where people
were being hanged. It was frequently, frequently the topic of
ghostly experiences in town. I myself got snowed in there
one night. I was sleeping by myself and I was
(03:58):
awakened about two o'clock in the morning when some very
strong hands pulled my covering off of my body. In
that particular case, my covering was a big old wool
trench coat. I could go on and on telling you
stories about the place, but here's my favorite one. Listen
to this, Okay, I swear to you what I'm about
to tell you is true, hand on a stack of bibles.
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So one of the ladies who worked with me there
was named Cat, and Cat was certainly a paranormalist. She
was always into strange things, but she was not the
type of person who would report something paranormal unless it
really happened. Okay, her imagination wasn't that out of control.
And she was there working by herself at the museum
(04:45):
one cold January day. As a matter of fact, it
was January twenty three of two thousand eleven, and she
called me around six pm. I was at home that day,
and Cat was freaking out. She said that there was
(05:06):
nobody else in the entire building. There was no sign
of anybody even around the building. She was walking through
some of the rooms and at one point she turned
a corner and she ran smack dab into a big, tall, dark,
solid form of a man. I mean instantly, you know
it was. She was shocked because she thought, I guess
(05:30):
somebody must have quietly slipped in here and I didn't
notice it. And then as soon as she realized this big,
dark figure of a man was there in front of her,
it just disappeared in the blink of an eye. It
rattled her so much that she immediately was like, oh
my god, you know, I'm out of here. And so
she closed up the museum and told me, I don't
(05:54):
know what I experienced, but it had to be some
kind of a ghost. There's no evidence anybody came into
the building. So I said, okay, well that's pretty extreme,
you know, as a report from Cat, we'll get a
load of this. About three hours later, I received a
phone call from Vance Pollock. And Vance is a man
(06:16):
I've known for a long long time. He is I believe,
the very best forensic historian in the world. And at
some point I'm sure I'll have Vance on this show,
and Goodness knows the stories will dig into. Advance is
always out there looking up old documents and archives, and
he has this incredible synchronistic knack for coming across interesting information.
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So Vance had been researching the history of the property,
and he knew absolutely nothing about Cat's experience. And yet
he called me on the phone to say, Josh, guess
what I just found out something that I think is
going to amaze you. He said, I just learned that
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a former Buckham County sheriff, because Asheville is located in
Buncolm County, a former Buckham County not a sheriff's deputy,
a very well known sheriff named John Liarley, who is
a prominent figure in Asheville in the early nineteen hundreds,
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and also had a very bad reputation, by the way,
for being an extremely violent man. He said John Liarlely,
Sheriff Liarley, committed suicide in our old jail museum building.
He was apparently, according to a news article that Vance
sent me, he was distraught over the death of his
(07:45):
wife from a recent illness, and so Sheriff Liarley went
into our building and he took his service revolver and
put a bullet in his head. And shortly thereafter he
was discovered by some other officers, and John Liarley had
killed himself on are you ready for it? That exact
(08:06):
same day, January twenty three of nineteen twenty four, exactly
eighty seven years before that day, none of us knew
anything about that, And yet that evening, around five or
(08:31):
six pm, Cat had walked into what was obviously in
retrospect the anniversary ghost of Sheriff John Liarley. Now can
you imagine being in my position, So I'm sort of
the center of all this activity, where I get this
(08:52):
call from Cat telling me I just had this experience,
and I'm like, okay, I guess there's a ghost. And
then three hours later, vance the historian calls me, knowing
nothing about this, and tells me, oh, this is the
anniversary of when this prominent figure killed himself in the building.
Do you think that as a coincidence? I mean, honestly,
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does that seem like a coincidence to you? Well, it
certainly does not to me. I feel quite confident that
this is one of those events that should prove that
ghostly phenomena is real and that there is something to
these cycles two anniversaries. There is meaning behind all of this.
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And that's one of my favorite stories because again, it
all comes together so neatly that it's just like, uh,
it's like something that was made up in a work
of fiction. But it's true. It's true. And you know
what we said, We're gonna be ready next year on
the anniversary to see if we can capture his spirit.
The following year, on January, we were there in the building,
(10:00):
had our equipment set up, we were ready to go,
and we did have some strange electro magnetic fluctuations. We
got some odd misty pictures here and there, but we
didn't get a full bodied apparition. But I I feel
sure that he might have been just around the corner.
You know, there were a number of rooms there, and uh,
that is that's an example of why you can sort of,
(10:23):
if you have enough data, look for patterns and correlations
that might lead you to have a better understanding of
when something ghostly is going to materialize. So Tad mcdibbott,
Tad mcdibbott, d I v I T t the chief
occult researcher for Haunted Ashville. As a guy I've known
(10:44):
for oh at least fifteen years. Uh, he has devoted
his entire life to all things mysterious, ghosts, magic, UFOs, cryptids, arcane, rituals,
you name it. Okay, He's published books, He's been on
numerous TV and radio programs. He has personally met and
given weird tours to hundreds of people, actually, make that
(11:08):
thousands of people from around the world. And I always
go down a weird and wonderful rabbit hole when we
start talking about the unexplained. So I'm I called up
Tad the other day to get an update on how
things are going with him, and we started talking about
some of the weird things that he has experienced throughout
(11:31):
his life, and I felt, you know what, this is
a good time to share some of this with those
of you who listen to this podcast, because I mean, uh,
not only were gonna talk about sort of how he
got into this and what occult research really is, but
also he had a very bizarre experience with a creature,
(11:52):
a creature something I kind of preachure I bet you've
never heard of before, in a stream in the mountains
of West to North Carolina. Wait till you hear him
tell you all about it when we come back after
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(15:06):
Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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the Wizard of Weird. Be me into your wormhole brain
from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where
every day is golden and every night is silver. And yes,
(15:27):
I just recently talked to investigator Tad mcdivott, the chief
occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville Ghost Stores in Asheville,
North Carolina that have been around for gosh over twenty
five years now. At this point, I guess that's amazing,
and uh, you're going to be I'm sure quite intrigued
(15:49):
with some of his bizarre experiences. And so, you know,
I started simply enough by just saying, Dad, tell everybody
what got you into us? Died in the occult and
the paranormal. And here's what he said that the easiest
one to explain is the academic side. When I was
(16:14):
studying Latin, I was also in eighth grade, huge fantasy head,
you know, Lord of the Rings, kid playing a lot
of D and D, you know, just gobbling up like
Clash of the Titans and those classics fantasy eighties stuff.
And it was in Latin Plants that it just kind
of dawned on me like this huge bomb that all
(16:38):
of the stuff, all of the myths, all of the legends,
from all of the saints, the stereotypes and tropes, they
oh come from somebody's serious religion at some point in
human history. We like to liberally use the term fairy
tale to describe that which cannot exist. But on the
(16:58):
other time, the end of it, there's entire sweats of
even modern European culture that believes these spirit entities actually
do exist. You know. It's it all comes down to
this weird language barrier, um. And that's the real that's
the real challenge of it is the fact that when
(17:22):
you're dealing with this this kind of thing, every culture
believes in spirits when you go far back in US
in one form or another, you know, um. But all
the different cultures and languages have different words for them.
So the big question here is are they talking about
(17:43):
the same things in using different terms, or are these
technically different kind of spirit. Okay, you told me a
story one time that is really eriem bizarre about what
you witnessing, a serpent like creature. And I don't know
if if we can put this in the realm of
(18:06):
um crypto zoology, or if this is some kind of
an elemental spiritual thing that you saw. So let's just
hear that story and let's dissect it and figure out
what the heck happened here? Okay, UM, Because now that
we're like on record, I can I'm going to voice
some of my personal opinions because I tell the story
a lot, but I don't often totally embellished what I think. UM.
(18:34):
But it's happened very shortly after I moved to Asheville.
We're talking, n UM. I was fourteen years old. Um.
We lived in especially a little bit of background. UM.
I just moved to Asheville from Culpepper, Virginia. Uh. And
to kind of add to it, you know, a move
(18:55):
is stressful enough, and being fourteen and going through puberty
is rough enough. But also my parents divorce right while
I'm going through this transition to so we get to
Asheville and it's just me, my dad, and my brother. UM,
my mom has moved on, and so I'm like in
(19:17):
any emotional terrible state the best way to put it.
And my father, when you move to Asheville, you know,
what do the locals do? And one of the things
that the locals do in Asheville as you go up
on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Um. So he would take
us to check out the Blue Ridge Parkway and he
would take us to a place UM called Graveyard Fields,
(19:41):
which would end up being a significant place for me
where a number of weird paranormal events have happened. Um.
And it's this beautiful camping area that has an upper
and lower falls and water coming through it. And we're
there with my little brother who is seven and I'm fourteen,
(20:03):
and my dad. We kind of clambered down to the
lower falls and my brother is playing close to the water,
and my father obviously is paying a little bit more
attention to the seven year old close to the water
than he is fourteen year old. So I take the
opportunity to get away from my family because that's where
my head space is, and I start firming the water
going southward. Well, I walk for I don't know what
(20:26):
seems to me maybe half an hour or forty five minutes,
and I get to a point in the water where
it opens wide prolest ten feet wine and deep, and
that's like, in fact, feelands that are been hiking on
fresh mountain water streams. There's a point where you can't
tell how deep it is because it's all shadow. So
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I sit down with my back against a tree, and
I'm just fishing and griping and honestly trying a little
bit because I'm just hot mess and I don't know
what's going on now. While I'm sitting there. It's when
at first I thought were branches moving, and this head
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tops out of the water looking at me, and it
is a It's so hard to explain because I don't
have any physical references on the radio, but I will
do my best to describe the dimensions. A serpent head
that's about four ft long three see wide, and that's
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just the side of the head, but also there are
what kind of looks like wood anglery branches on its
head just pops out of the water and stared at me,
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and I freeze in a panic, and I just stare
for a few seconds. It went back down in the
water and I jack rabbit out of there freaked out.
I can't say how many people have these kinds of
paranormal experiences. But after something like that, you attempt to
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reconcile what you experienced. Who I started doing research, you know,
firstly on some new dash there anything about the area,
and you know, you start with local herpetology, and the
hell said that they should have a sign if there's
a big, huge you know, I don't know what you
look like. And the only thing I would find is
(22:40):
a reference to a Cherokee mis the theological figure that
is a horn serpent, and the Cherokee has stories about
it appearing in that area. Um. The creature is called
the hook tenna stelled u t a e t n
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a um. Now that is the flat up as as
as if I were talking to a cop what I
experienced part not. Let me give you the over the
years experiences. First off, that thing has shown up in
more than a fair share number of my dreams over
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the year. According to the Cherokee lore, it is a
a water elemental spirit that's kind of an animistic embodiment
of secrets and mystery. In fact, there's an old charity
term that as I was describing the when you can't
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see the bottom of the stream. When the Cherokees phrases
that's where the accenta goes, and that I can't see
it is the symbolism for the enshronement of the secret
in the mystery. You know, here's an interesting thing for
us to to dig into, because it seems like that
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someone who is say a hunter his whole life, who
just goes out and he's shooting deer and rabbits and
squirrels and turkeys, he sees a bigfoot. Then that bigfoot
seems so solid and real to him that he can't
imagine it being anything that he would call a spirit
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or an interdimential thing, because he imagines that to mean
that it's some kind of you know, translucent, ephemeral, whispy thing.
On the other hand, you have people who are into
u the spirit world, and they believe that every time
they see some weird creature, they can't explain it's some
(24:54):
kind of spirit, you know that look at a firefly
and say it's a fairy or whatever. And so you
and I are able to look at it from both
points of view because the reality is, it seems to
me that there may be beings out there which can
slip back and forth between the physical and non physical.
And so when you see one of these creatures, it
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is absolutely physical and solid to you, but then all
of a sudden it's gone anymore. And so it's it's
like that, you know, these beings can slip back and forth,
and and there are you know, the European traditions, I believe,
are a little more open minded about that than than
how we view it here in America. How would you
describe that relationship between the physicality of beings and and
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how we describe them in our lore. There is a
kind of I'm gonna flip flop in first, you know,
use a little bit of old religion language, but also
use modern science language, because I think they're both kind
of been spiraling around the same idea. That and the
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old spirit Victorian spiritualism especially, um they really believe that
there was this veil or like a curtain, a barrier
that separates statistical and spiritual. And I think possibly what
we're talking about is something that can punch through that veil,
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but not on a permanent basis, if that makes sense.
And eventually to kind of explain the constant effect of
it is that I think that it can punch through
that veil for whatever motivation, and I think it actually
requires a considerable amount of expenditure of energy and efforts
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for that spirit to do that. But once they get here,
their time here is kind of limited because the nature
of here doesn't permit such mystical things. So the veil's
gonna wrap around him and pull him back. Yeah, in
rather short order, I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to
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Now let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren.
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast a am para normal podcast Network.
It's the show where the unusual becomes usual. I'm your host,
the Wizard of Where, Joshua Pete Warren. And now here
is more of my recent conversation with the chief occult
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researcher for Haunted Asheville investigator, Tad McDivitt. You know, Um,
of all the things that you have researched, one that
um you seem to dig quite deeply in was the
meaning behind the tarot deck. And UM, you know what's
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funny is that most people are familiar with the tarot,
but they don't really know the history of what the
symbol mean. What can you tell somebody about the taro
deck that would sort of open their eyes? First off,
there's a lot of misinformation about where it came from. Uh,
especially in American circles. Uh there's stories that they're come
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from the Romani, which are not true. Um, stories that
they come from Satanism and Richcraft, and there was ansel
posts that claims that, but anti possibly that's not true. Um.
First off, anyone who's familiar with the tarot, notice that
there's a major in the minor ar kind of and
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the major arcana came about that injuries before the minor
arcana did. And that's when thing worth noting and what
I think they're in original and intention and what culture
actually created them. They are ancient Shuism and they were
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used as flash cards for education. The cards of the
major arcana correlate to the letters of the Hebrew language.
So so what is the difference between major arcana and
minor arcana. Oh, the major arcana are kind of almost
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like archetype symbolisms. Okay, they are, the best way I
could put it, the characters of the story. If the
carrot spread as a story. The minor arcana are the
plot details of the story, and that's probably the easiest
way to distinguish them. Okay. So the major ones were
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flash cards, so to speak, to teach detally, I think
they were. I think they were used to um teach
the letters literacy and early Hebrew mathematics. Is I think
what they were original intention were and what makes you
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think of that? Um, you can jump down this rabbit
hole of cobolistic correlation and really be two ancient Judaism mysticism.
There are twenty four major arcana. There are twenty four
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letters of the Hebrew language. It was all prototype of education.
When you're looking at that chart of the tree of life,
that's actually math and letters for ancient ancient Judaism. One
through ten was their math set. It's the circles of
the separa and then the four interconnectors would of twenty
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four letters of their language, and hence knowledge, letters, numbers.
Knowledge and the card were overflection and because they realized,
you know, repetition and symbolic pictures made these things click
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in their heads better. And so originally I think these
cards were flash cards for learning masks, or at least
the original error Jewish prototype of it, which is one
through ten zero doesn't really exist as an abstract idea yet.
But also the letters of their language is all taught
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through these flash cards, and so the minor arcana number
themselves from one through ten for the same reason you
have this deck and in it for all these symbolic
correlations to the letters of their language and the numbers
that they use. And hence you had what was in
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a pocket deck of cards, an ancient tribal textbook. And
so if someone sits down and gets a good, valid
tarot card reading, Um, do you do you think that
it actually can tell something about the future? And if so,
how does that process work? According to the lore, Solomon
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is king Solomon, it Israel is the one who started
doing divination with them and the and and here is
the theory to get heady, that is, all of reality
is math and letters. Then the deck is also math
(34:54):
and letters. And we're just gonna assume, in this creepy
quantum entanglement principle that what's going on in the bigger
picture we'll just synchronistically lined up with what we randomly
throw out. And that's the theory. And Solomon was solid
(35:21):
enough with his connection to the Lord and wisdom, and
that's how using them as divination kind of came into existence. Um,
it's kind of interesting even in scripture where they're saying, hey,
you shouldn't do divination, and actually it's the states that
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only a master of the temple should do devination. And
I think there's this a man you should be qualified,
not a never ever ever do it? Okay, Well, let
me ask you this when it comes to understanding magical
principles in general, what do you think the relationship is
between magic and speaking words? Oh, They're so incredibly connected
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to a degree to where I think a lot of
people unknowingly and unconsciously sabotage their own state and love
with what comes out of their mouth unfiltered. It's so connected.
And well, how do you feel that process works? What
is it about speaking a word that somehow is able
to bring a physical manifestation into being? The way I
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look at it again goes back to that a cobolistic
because Solomon and israelismont of my heroes in the ancient
mystical world, and a very neat way of looking at
it that almost correlates in a very fascinating way with
modern physics. Fascinating way of looking at it. When you
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look at their language, all of the vowel of their
language look like their licks, and all the consonants of
their language look like branches and sticks, And their language
pectorially is supposed to look like licks a fire on branches,
which I'm pre sure is the bring bush rick. Yeah, um,
(37:21):
by Oh, it's fascinating. They believe that when you speak,
you're literally creating, uh, just as the Creator himself does.
And just as the universe has hard matter and then
energy to move it along, so our language has hard
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consonants and the vowels move it along, and they are
correlated speaking with the act of divine creation. I mean,
you're literally creating words. Your words create worlds in other
people's minds, and they it was very sacred, you know. Um.
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I think that's why a lot of their more primal
prayers were in complete silence, because I wanted to design
alone to be the audience to the creation that they
are voices. You know. I remember when you told me
that the ancient Hebrew language looks like licks of flame
on branches, which must go back to the burning bush.
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And it's so important because that is when supposedly God
reveals his name, which we loosely interpret as you know,
I am what I am, or I am that I am,
And I know it gets a little more complicated than that,
but still, uh, the name of God. Speaking the name
of God is to this day considered a very sacred
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thing among many many people from the Judeo Christian traditions,
and so it's almost like that that encounter with God
in the burning bush is the is the the the
foundation for language in general, and how the language is
(39:11):
itself ultimately a magical thing that goes back to God's
language being the vibration that created reality as we know it.
Would you say that, oh well, I mean, just look
at the world we live in numbers, letters, miracle after
(39:31):
miracle after America, Austra miracle. I mean, does look at
our world? Every bit of our literature are scient landing
on the moon, splitting the atom. It all calmed from
that ancient letters numbers. So those are the parts of
my recent conversation with investigator Tad mcdivott that I wanted
(39:52):
to share with you on this show. Thank you Tad
for being on the program. And of course you can
get a personal tour from Dad if you go to
Haunted Asheville dot com if you are in the Asheville,
North Carolina area. Asheville is spelled a s h E
v I l l E. You know, Tad does a
(40:14):
special tour in addition to the usual tours, especial when
every Friday night at eight pm it's called the super
Natural Tour. It's a more in depth tour that gets
into things that are beyond what the average tourists might
look into. So if you're a die hard, check into
(40:36):
that when we come back from this break. Oh wait
till you hear about what I got in the mill today.
I've been excited about sharing this with you, and you
will see why the energy in my house has changed
a bit today. And uh, it's it's a celebratory feeling,
(40:58):
but some people may be freaked out. And and I
have an interesting testimonial to read for you as well.
Um this is it's there's just not enough time in
this show. But hey, at least you're never bored, right,
So I am Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to strange
(41:18):
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back to the final segment of this edition of Strange
Things on the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast
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And guess what I got in the mail today. Now
you know, I'm a guy who has been professionally investigating
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the strangest stuff in the world most of my life,
and I've been accused of being a little borderline hoarder.
I mean not just every Tom Dick and Harry has
a museum, and I have plenty of stuff from all
around the world in storage. At some point I'll just
do it podcast and I'll just tell you about all
(43:58):
the stuff I have. Isn't just a cool idea for
a podcast where I I make a list of all
the weird, like the most amazing stuff I have, and
I just tell you the story behind all of it.
That might even take up two or three podcasts. But
I have one thing that I really really cherish. Um
(44:19):
that it's it's one of those things I've never put
on public display. And of course, you know, in my
home right now, I have Carville the alien. That's art
Bells wooden alien statue that apparently comes to life sometimes
at night. That is something that I don't ever plan
(44:41):
on parting with. Okay, that's uh, I don't. I don't
know that I'll ever put him permanently in a public
place of display. He he just brings such a great
feeling to my home. But listen to this. I have
something I've never put on public display. And I will
dig into this much more deeply at some point in
(45:03):
the future, but let me just tell you for now
that in the nineteen seventies, Dr Raymond Moody wrote a
best selling book called Life After Life, in which he
coined the phrase near death experience, and he pretty much
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you know, created, if not certainly popularized, the term tunnel
of light. I mean, a lot of this language that
we use now as part of the pop culture lexicon
is attributed to Dr Raymond Moody in the work that
he did, and he's just a wonderful guy, one of
the smartest people I've ever met. He has two pH ds.
I'm very proud to consider him a friend at this
(45:45):
point in my life. And I think around two thousand
and eight, I hired Dr Raymond Moody to come to
Black Mountain, North Carolina and host a workshop on his
psycho Mantium technique. Now, this is a mirror technique that
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he wrote about in his popular book called Reunions, based
upon his in depth research regarding some of the ancient
Greek techniques of using reflective surfaces in order to have
some kind of a contact experience with deceased loved ones.
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And and and again. At some point in the future
I'll go into all the details on the technique, but
he sort of modernized this technique so that you take
a mirror and you put it in a very particular
type of setting, and under the right circumstances, people can
sit in a dimly lit room by themselves, stare at
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the mirror, and then they will in many cases, actually
have a spiritual experience. Sometimes the deceased loved one actually
appears and literally emerges from the mirror and is standing
there and they have a fully interactive experience. Okay, just
as if the person is back alive, physical, and corporeal. Again,
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I'm telling you, it's that mind boggling. And so when
he first started sort of telling people what he had
rediscovered regarding this technique, he he was traveling around the
world and he brought a mirror with him on many
of his travels. And this is a mirror that he
(47:32):
purchased at a little antique store in Anniston, Alabama. That's
where he's from, Alabama, and he just loved the look
of it. It said. It's a very old ornate mirror,
and he and his wife, Cheryl, actually painted the frame
of it black. And so this mirror has been with
(47:54):
him all around the world. Thousands of people have looked
into it and had interactions with spirits. And he brought
that mirror with him to the workshop that I hired
him to give in in Black Mountain, North Carolina. And
I'm telling you, the people who attended that workshop was
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a who's who of professional paranormal investigators and celebrities. Rosemary
Ellen Guiley was there. She was a wonderful lady, a
good friend who has now passed, and she was especially
interested in scrying and mirror techniques, and so it's very
significant to me that she looked into this mirror during
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that weekend. It was like it was a three day
workshop that I set up at a resort called the
Madison Inn, and she had an experience with the mirror.
Mark Nesbit did, Gosh, Ray Buckland was there, he did,
I mean, like I'm telling you. So. The funny thing is,
when this event um was over, Dr Moody and his
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wife were heading back home. They had driven into town
but Um, but Dr Moody realized there were some people
who had made plans to say an extra day at
the resort and wanted to continue experimenting. And so he said, well,
you know, Josh, it's okay for you to keep the
set up the room we have set up with this mirror,
and you can just ship it back to me when
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the weekend is over. So he went back home. I
went and got the mirror to ship back to him.
But I thought m and I contacted him and said,
what are the chances you would consider selling this mirror
to me? And at first he didn't want to do it.
But then his wife, Cheryl, said, you know, we're actually
renovating everything and upgrading everything. So look, long story short,
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he sold this mirror to me. Okay, it belongs in
the Smithsonian, but he sold it to me and Lauren
and I we picked it up. We put it in
the trunk of our car. We left the Madison in
we stopped at a pizza place called my Father's Pizza
and Mountain, North Carolina. We stepped out of the car
to go have lunch, and we took two or three
(50:05):
steps and in the trunk of the car, we heard
boom boom, boom, boom boom, pounding in the trunk like
somebody was locked in the trunk trying to get out.
And I went over and opened the trunk and there
was nothing in the trunk except the mirror. True story, well,
that mirror was hung on the wall in our house
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at the time in North Carolina, and that's when all
kinds of spooky things started happening. We would hear people
talking in the living room at night when nobody was around.
The alarm system started going off and nobody was around.
That kind of stuff, And yeah, I love this mirror
so much, and it's so fragile and so haunted and
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so meaningful because of its connection with Dr Moody and
his groundbreaking work, that I never put it in my museum.
I was just too worried it might get broken somehow
in the museum, so I gave it to my mom,
um and dad for safe keeping. When I started traveling
the world so much and moved to Puerto Rico for
years to study the Bermuda Triangle, and all that time,
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my mom has been kind of freaked out by it,
and so my mom decided to just cover it up
and put it away. And well, anyway, I finally told
my mom, please ship it to me here in Las Vegas,
and so we got it shipped out here, and today
I picked up this big box and opened it and
(51:31):
arrived beautifully thanks to professional packing by FedEx. And now
I have Dr Moodie's mirror hanging on my wall. And
I will be telling you very soon what happens now
at my house now that I have this. But I
know people are like Josh, I thought you weren't gonna
bring haunted stuff into your house. That is true, but
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this is such a precious thing. We'll see how long
that last, so I'll keep you updated all right before
this show is over, Listen, I I have a testimonial
I want to read to you about the good Fortune
tone that I played on some of the past few shows.
You know what I'm talking about. I have this tone,
(52:15):
which is the good Fortune tone. It's based on the
Golden ratio. When you hear it, it's twenty seconds. It's
supposed to bring something good uh into your life. The
following week, let me read to you this email I
got from Laura and Michigan. She said, just wanted to
give you a short testimonial regarding this sound. She said,
I listened to it last night prior to going to bed. Mistake,
(52:39):
I did my own experiment. I just happened to have
a glass of water with me. And I don't know
if this means anything, but this particular glass is not
actually glass. It's a unique hammered metallic beverage container that
is copper plated on the outside, she says. Anyway back
to the testimonial, I placed the cup on laptop so
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the sound could reach and penetrate it. I then drank
it right after. Soon after, I felt so perked up,
felt like I had drank twenty cups of coffee. I
couldn't sleep. I still feel that way now, so it
would be interesting to know others reactions to the sound.
(53:21):
I will try it again, but not so late at
night and without the copper plated glass, she says. I'm
seventy one. I've seen, read, studied, gone to many conferences
and webinars on all levels of the spiritual nature. She says,
I appreciate your dedication, curiosity, creativity, and how today's science
(53:43):
is catching up to what the mystics already knew. Keep
up the good work, love what you're doing and sharing blessings.
That's from Laura and Michigan. Thank you Laura. So here
you go, folks. Maybe you can try out what she suggested.
Here is the good luck tone for twenty seconds. All right,
(54:26):
let me know if you put a cup or a
glass near that, and if so, what happened to you.
I'm gonna try it out and I'll be keeping you
updated on new reports regarding this tone. That's it for
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