Episode 96: Let’s Get Deep: The Secret Story of EVERYTHING

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This is Strange Thing with Warren. I am Joshua BE Warren,
and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you
brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments

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you can do at home, and a lot more on
this edition of the program. Are you ready to get deep?
The Secret Story of Everything, the root of Reality? Now,

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like I said, this is gonna be kind of a
deep show. Now, I can go a lot deeper. I
can go so deep, but I'm not going to go
that deep on this show. I'm just gonna go deep
enough to see if you lie this kind of thing,

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and then if so then I'll go really deep on
a future show. Okay, so let's begin the root of reality. Well,
an article was recently published and quantum. Actually it's Quanta
magazine dot org. Quanta Magazine dot org. Yeah, we're getting

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into quantum physics. Here you ready, And here's what it says.
The most famous paradox and physics nearest its end. In
a landmark series of calculations, physicists have proved the black
holes can shed information, which seems impossible by definition. The

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work appears to resolve a paradox that Stephen Hawking first
described fifty years ago. All Right, you'll see how all
this applies to reality in general, because what is a
black hole? It's like a big drain and reality that
everything supposedly just pours down into disappear. But where does
it go? Does it just disappear? Is that the end? Okay,

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here's what they say. In a series of breakthrough papers,
theoretical physicists have come tantalizingly close to resolving the black
hole information paradox. It says information. They now say with confidence,
does indeed escape a black hole? If you jump into one,

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you will not be gone for good. Particle by particle,
the information needed to reconstitute your body will re emerge.
Most physicists have long assumed it would, and that was
the upshot of string theory, leading uh they're leading candidate
for a unified theory of nature. But the new calculations,

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though inspired by string theory, stand on their own. It
says information gets out through the workings of gravity itself,
just ordinary gravity with a single layer of quantum effects.
Stick with me here. This is a peculiar role, they say,
a peculiar role reversal for gravity. According to Einstein's general

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theory of relativity, the gravity of a black hole is
so intense that nothing can escape it, and the more
sophisticated understanding of black holes developed by Stephen Hawking and
his colleagues in the nineteen seventies did not question this principle.
Hawkings and others sought to describe matter in and around
black holes using quantum theory, but they continue to describe

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gravity using Einstein's classical theory. This is a hybrid approach
the physicists call semi classical, and although the approach predicted
new effects at the perimeter of the whole, the interior
remains strictly sealed off. Physicists figured that Hawking had nailed
the semi classical calculation, and any further progress would have

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to treat gravity as quantum. I know, I know, I
told you this. This is getting kind of deep. But
what they're saying here is that a black hole is
not a hermit kingdom. It's a vigorously open system. Not

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only does information spill out, anything new that falls in
is regurgitated almost immediately somewhere. The revised semi classical theory
has yet to explain how exactly the information gets out,
but such has been the pace of discovery in the

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past two years that theorists have already already have hints
of how this may work. Okay, now I'm not gonna
go too much deeper with that, but here is a
quote that I think you really need to think about.
This is actually from the article, but everyone says, but

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almost everyone appears to agree on one thing in some way.
In some way or other, space time itself seems to
fall apart at a black hole, implying that space time
is not the root level of reality, but an emergent

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structure from something deeper. I told you we were gonna
get deeper. So all right, here's the here's the concept.
Before we were thinking, I mean, you know, there was
a time when people didn't even believe a black hole existed.
Now we're saying, like, yep, there's a big hole in reality.
And then next they were saying, well, this is like

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you know again, it's like a big drain in space
time and it destroys space time, and that means everything
is destroyed. But now they're saying, even though space time
is being destroyed, that's there's still something there that space time,
this medium that we're moving around and the we're immersed in,
is not the end all be all. So we are
kind of like, uh, and this is just you know,

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I'm putting this in my words. We're almost like fish
in an aquarium and the water is all around us.
We're not directly aware of it, but it's sustaining us.
And the water for humans is kind of like space time.
And then there are these drains, like pulling the plug
on the fish tank, and then when all the water

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pours out, that doesn't mean the whole world stops. It
just means that the medium that you're living in space time,
which is as we know, a flexible bendable and often
unpredictable thing. Uh that is just uh, that's just something
that that we interface with. But there is a whole

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other level from which everything emerges. That's that's what I'm
getting out of this. And this reminds me of this
quote that I love, written by philosopher James Allen in
his book As a Man Thinketh in nineteen o three.

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He wrote, as the visible world is sustained by the invisible.
So men, through all their trials and sins and sordid vocations,
are nourished by the beautiful visions of their solitary dreamers.
The important part they're being as the visible world is
sustained by the invisible. So everything that we've been able

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to measure, I mean, some of our most advanced techniques
scientifically speaking, to measure what's going on here have been uh,
tools that can measure space time and variations of space time,
and that stuff is so weird it's hard to comprehend.
Now we're taking it beyond that, and now we have

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to get back to Okay, well, what are we here
and what's going to happen to us when we die?
Is it like going through a black hole? Is this
where these visitors are coming from. Because if a black
hole doesn't just suck things in, it also allows things
to come out. Now it's starting to sound more like
a wormhole, isn't it that it's a tube that you

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can travel through? And if this may just be a
black hole maybe the biggest, most obvious, like brutal example
of this, But I believe that these kind of wormholes
and portals and things exist on a much much smaller scale,
and they're all around us. Um philosopher Alan Watts. I'll

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give you another quote I wrote about this in my
book Used the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law
of Attraction. Alan Watts. He died in nineteen seventy three.
One of his quotes I've always liked he said, through
our eyes he's talking about humans here. Of course, through
our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears,
the universe is listening to its harmonies. We are the

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witnesses through which the universe becomes conscious of its glory,
of its magnificence. We're going back to this idea of
self awareness and infinite consciousness. That consciousness. Okay, if there's
a route that is deeper, then space time. Then that

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is the root where self awareness and consciousness resides, and
that may be why that as humans, we have the
greatest power in the universe, consciousness, and that we are
therefore able to use that to travel mentally through time,
seeing what happened in the past like a ghost, or
seeing what's going to happen in the future like with

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e s be precognition, remote viewing. Uh, these are all
things that are possible once you start exploring the mind. Now,
when we come back from our first break, I'm going
to talk a little bit more about what I think
this means when you die. And then also let's try

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to codify this and some of the most ancient teachings
that have ever been produced, and see how the science
is coming full circle with philosophy and we're starting to
understand so much more of this stuff. If you like
to really experiment toy with this stuff, let me tell
you I create these metaphysical inventions. I recently came out

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Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
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I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren,
meaning into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City,
Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every

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night is silver. I recently posted a meme on my
Twitter account and uh, that's just at Joshua pe Warren.
And even if you don't have a Twitter account, you
can still go and look at the things that I
post on Twitter. I do that a lot of the
time because it's, uh, it's just easy. Just boom, you

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hit a button and it's out there, and it's a
cartoon of two snow men talking to each other in
the middle of a of a snowstorm, and one of
them is saying to the other, don't be absurd. Nobody
made us. We evolved by chance from snow flakes. And

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you know, that's a pretty good analogy, isn't it for
how some people view, uh, this world. We just the
snow flakes fell into place. And you have to remember
that you are mainly water and empty space. If I
squished all the water in empty space out of you,
you would be smaller than a pea than I can

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roll between my fingers. So what are you really? You're
just you know, electrical impulses, right, And uh, it's very
interesting to me when you start thinking about where we
came from and the the importance of the importance of
consciousness and where are we going to go. So I
think that when you die, if you have a normal

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state of mind and know what's going on, it is
going to be scary. It is going to be scary.
And I have heard from people who have had near
death experiences who have said, oh, but it was beautiful
and I loved it. You know. Well, I think that
that's probably not what usually happens, um because this is

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because everything you have done in your life has been
biologically programmed to avoid death. Okay, that's just nature. So
I think it's going to be scary when suddenly here
here we go. It's the big day. But honestly, truly,
I do not believe it is the end. Again, you

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are mainly water and empty space. Your body is a
life support system for your worm whole brain, and your
worm whole brain as a pinpoint of consciousness that cannot
be created nor destroyed. It simply exists forever, and like
all energy, it transforms from state to state. Energy can
be neither created nor destroyed, simply conserved, changing from state

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to state. And I will just go ahead and toss
this out here. On a side note, I do believe
that this means technically that you cannot create a perpetual
motion machine, per se. But that doesn't mean you can't
create a machine that appears to be perpetual motion because
it taps into some natural, unseen source, just like a windmill.

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A windmill is not perpetual motion technically speaking, but as
long as the wind blows, well, it may as well be,
because it's free energy. I just had to throw that
in because when I start talking about the law of
conservation of energy, I'm enough of a geek then I
think about perpetual motion machines. But anyway, look, I am
conscious whatever that means, and I am also a part

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of the universe. So if I am conscious and I'm
a part of the universe, then that means the universe
is also conscious, and vice versa, as above so below.
And I think that whatever this consciousness is that created
the shapes of the experience that you and I are having,

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that is what we can call God. I am not
capable of comprehending what God is, and I don't believe
any of us are, but you know, God can be
many different things, but ultimately I think that's what God is.
It is the source of this design that we see.
And with God, all things are possible for a long time.

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For thousands of years, humans have been dealing with these issues.
Technology may change and evolve in advance, but the human
experience actually seems pretty consistent, pretty consistent. And that's why
that I thought. You know, if you've listened to me
for years, um, then you've heard me talk about this
in the past, probably on my podcast Joshua pe Warren Daily,

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that I used to do, and they're over five hundred
episodes of that, editions of that that you can you
can listen to for free whenever you want to. Just
type in Joshua pe Warren Daily, even though it's uncensored
in some of the language is um r rated. Uh. So, anyway,
let's go back and talk about one of the I
think the most fascinating texts out there. It's called The Kabalion. Uh.

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The Kabalion was this book that was originally published in
nineteen o eight, and nobody knows for sure who wrote it.
Nobody even knows for sure what the word caballeon even means. Uh.
The book is attributed to three initiatives. Okay, so we're
talking about people who supposedly were masters of the old

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mystery schools, which gave rise to all the secret societies
and whatnot. A lot of people believe that William Walker
Atkinson was the actual author of this book. Fascinating guy,
and you can read about that on your own. But regardless,
the Kabalion it's actually it's it's a pretty short book

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and it talks about a lot of these concepts related
to as above so below. Like for example, if you
look at a human eye the pupil, it looks a
heck of a lot. Like the picture of a black hole.
Black hole is huge and far away, but you have
an eye right there? Is it? The same thing? Are

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your eyes little black holes? Um? And so a lot
of occultists, as they call them new thought people, um,
are interested in the concepts of the Kabbaliyan and it
it's based upon what is also called Hermetic principles. And
this goes back to an individual that I also wrote

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about in my book I'll use the Force, Hermes Trismegastus.
And Hermes Trismegastus was this great philosopher, priest, scientists, alchemists
who lived about thousands of years ago. This was in
the BC era, okay, and um, he's he's kind of

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nobody knows for sure if he existed, it seems like
he did that there was a real man in the
middle of this um and this is this was I
guess around ancient Greece. But even though he had a
lot of Egyptian study going on there as well. Again,
a very mysterious guy. You can look this up. Uh.
And what I found out when I was writing about

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this that, uh, if I understand correctly, tris megastus means
that you are honored by having your name repeated three times.
So this is how they used to honor like holy
men and shaman and stuff in some cultures. So for example,
if I'm just regular old Joshua, then I'm regular old Joshua.
But if I do something nice, you know, something really cool,

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I save a drowning baby or something like that, and say, oh,
that's Joshua Joshua. You know, that's that's an honorary thing.
But if you are the Matt Daddy and then they
then you get your name repeated three times, that's Joshua,
Joshua Joshua over there. And so instead of having to
repeat Hermes, Hermes, Hermes, they call him Hermes. Tris megastus. Again,

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I think that's how it worked anyway. Um he was
a great wizard of some sort, very similar to the
concepts around Merland and whatnot. And uh, this book, The
kabal Yon talks about the seven principles that are hermetic
principles that dig to the deep end, like the deeper

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layer behind all of this. And here's what they are, okay.
Number one is the principle of mentalism. And by the way,
if you ever want to look up this stuff, Kabalan
is spelled k y b a l i o n
k y b a l i o n. So the
first is the principle of mentalism, and that means the

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all is mind. The universe is mental. Okay. So that
goes back to what I was saying about consciousness. The
universe is mental, okay. Next principle is correspondence. As above,

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so below. This principle embodies the truth that there is
always a correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the
various planes and being of life. Every nothing exists separated
from anything else. Everything is connected. Number three is the
principle of vibration. Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates, which

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actually a side note goes back to my personal belief,
which is all things are conscious because I think vibration,
vibrating is the is the fundamental um sign of life,
vibration and if if something is vibrating, it's conscious to
some extent. Otherwise there it's death. There's no sensation. That's

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just my my philosophy. Okay. Number four the principle of polarity.
Everything is dual. Everything has polls, Everything has its pair
of opposites. Like and unlike are the same. Opposites are
identical in nature but different in degree. Extremes meet, All

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truths are but half truths, and all paradoxes maybe reconciled.
The next number five is the principle of rhythm. Everything
flows out and end. Everything has tides, All things rise
and fall. The pendulum swing manifest in everything. The measure

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of the swing to the right is the measure of
the swing to the left. Rhythm compensates. There are two
more principles will get into when we come back. And
then I want to share some UFO news with you
because I think what we're seeing is that, look, there
are other dimensions. There is a deeper level of reality,

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and once once you understand that, you can use that
to travel through their space time thing. I'm Joshua pe Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio
and Coast to Coast. They am para normal podcast network.
I'll be back after these important messages. Welcome back to

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Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to
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Joshua pe Warren, and this is the show where the
unusual becomes usual. There are two more hermetic principles here

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from the kabalian a philosophy that is ultimately attributed to
Hermes Trismegistus and uh let's see okay. So next is
number six, the principle of cause and effect. Every cause
has an effect, every effect has its cause. Everything happens

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according to law. Chance is but a name for law
not recognized. There are many planes of causation, but nothing
escapes the law. So for those of you who don't
believe in karma, I know that sounds really nice, doesn't it.

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It's an inconvenient principle. I I am a strong believer
in karma, and I think that's what we're It's it's
basically staying here and it's interesting to hear it words
so simply though that like what we call chance is
but a name for a law not recognized, Okay. And

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then lastly, number seven is the principle of gender. Now
that word gender is being used often these days in
mainstream discussions, and I'm not talking about it in that sense.
When the ancient people were talking about gender, here is
what they said. Gender is in everything. Everything has its

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masculine and feminine principles. Gender manifests on all planes. So
they're talking about everything having its own yen and yang ah, humans,
all objects, you know, all every all attributes have this.
So again, those seven principles are number one the principle

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of mentalism, Number two, the principle of correspondence, number three,
the principle of vibration, number four, the principle of polarity,
number five, the principle of rhythm, number six the principle
of cause and effect, and number seven the principle of gender.
Those things seem to be very fundamental and the thinking
of ancient people even uh compared to what scientists are

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telling us today. And if you want to read the caballeon, uh,
go for it. I think um, somewhere out there I
even have a file of me reading parts of it.
But the easiest thing to do is go to Wikipedia
and type in caballe on and that will give you,
like your cliff notes there K Y B A L
I O N. And to me, it's I'm bringing this

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up because again, it seems like we're getting closer and
closer to realizing that indeed, this is what's happening sort
of behind the scenes, and that there is a structure
to how the world works that is a root structure,
that is a platform that goes even deeper than than

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quantum physics alone, and and the things that we understand
about the cosmos. Now, in saying that, I believe that
it is most likely that a lot of these visitors
that we experience, to call them aliens, interdimensional interlopers, whatever,

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a lot of these beings are beings that have figured
out the technology to take advantage of what that root
structure is, and they can travel here either physically or
astral e or mentally. So that's why, for example, a
lot of people who get abducted may not be abduct

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did physically. They may have what they uh consider a
physical experience, but it may be that you your body
can be accessed only in part that you know, you're
a multidimensional being and maybe parts of you can be
abducted while other parts are sleeping in bed. So like
you know, maybe you turn over and you see your

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partner lying in bed asleep, that you don't know that
your partner is being abducted because that partners some some
part of that partner's spirit is being taken. I'm open
to that possibility. And now that we have to start
opening our minds to what this whole UFO thing is about. Uh,
you may have seen that it was just recently revealed

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after thirty two years, the Ministry of Defense over there
in the UK has put out a picture that they
kept hidden. They called it the most spectacular UFO photo
ever captured. Uh. It was taken August four, nineteen nine
by two young in in Scotland, and uh, you can

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read all about it. This is another one of those
things that I posted on my Twitter page. So if
you're interested, you can go to Joshua pe Warren. Just
do a search for Joshua pe Warren and Twitter and
you can scroll through and see the articles and hopefully
if you are a Twitter person, you'll also follow me
on Twitter. Um, but what they got a picture of
was what looks like one of these big kind of

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like triangular slash diamond shaped things in the sky. And
you know, I saw something very similar um years ago,
and and you you may also realize again going back
to Twitter, like I posted a video recently where I

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I don't like the word debunking, but we solved the
UFO mystery. Okay, So like Jason Sarachi, he went out
and he captured some footage of something and I didn't
know what it was, and um, we sent it to
Mobius and we got analyzed. It turns out we figured
out what it was. If you want to see what
it was, you'll go there to my Twitter page and
you can watch me give like a four minute video

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where I showed the footage and then I explained what
it was. So I'm always trying to explain things, but
this this UFO uh stuff is now becoming uh so significant.
Mobius actually asked me if I would go back and
retell the story about my most impressive UFO sighting. And
I've had quite a few different kinds of sightings, but

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this one just really stands out in my mind. So, um,
I he I think that he is working with his
associates to turn this into a part of a video
about the Triangle UFO phenomenon. So I said, sure. So
I sat down, and you've probably heard this before, but
I figured I'll go ahead and play it for you again. Uh.

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This is the most official way I can explain to
you what I personally saw and uh, and it was
in It was in Nevada, and I want you to um,
you know, I'm just gonna let you listen to it,
and then after that I'll have some thoughts and also
an interesting email I want to read to you. So anyway,

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here is me retelling the story about my most impressive
UFO siting. I'm Joshua P. Warren, and my most amazing
UFO sighting happened on the night of Monday, February the
twenty third of two thousand nine. I was in Laughlin, Nevada.

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I had been invited to be a speaker at the
UFO Congress in Laughlin, and that is when I met
Dean Worsing, who it turned out would become a great
friend to this very day. And Dean and his son,

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Dean Jr. Had third generation night vision goggles, and I
had never before had the opportunity to look at the
sky through third generation, and so on that night, UM,
Dean and his son and a buddy of mine name

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Will and I went outside of Laughlin. Uh there was
a pull off on Davis Damn Road, and I want
to say this was around nine o'clock at night. We
were the only ones around. It was a very dark,
clear night, and you know, looking through third generation night

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vision at the sky for the first time is just
an awe inspiring experience because I mean, on a clear night,
for every star you can see with the naked eye,
you can see about twenty through the third gym. And
I mean, so the entire guy just looked like it

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was sparkling with layers of diamonds. And we had three
pairs of of goggles betwixt the four of us, and
so at one particular point I had a pair, and
Dean and his son, Dean Jr. Had a pair, and Uh,

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I was the first one to notice the anomaly. Now,
since the third gen was new to me, Um, I
wasn't sure what kind of weird digital artifacts might appear
through the kind of electronic workings of the tube, and

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so when I looked out across the desert and I
was staring to my right, which was southeast, and I
saw this gigantic, bright V shape in the sky. Okay,
so we're gonna pause right there for our break, and
when we come back, you will hear the rest of

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the story. And you know, I just want to mention
that one of the things that's so kind of, you know,
frustrating about being a UFO researcher these days is that
obviously there is something flying around out there that is
not of this world, so to speak. Okay, may and

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you know, you could argue like, well, these are the
original Earthlings and we're the aliens, and you can get
into all these sci fi discussions. Great, but you know
what I'm talking about. It's like there's something there that
doesn't seem to be part of the normal human experience.
And if governments have have have learned from that, whether
or not they even actually have one of these craft,

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if by observing them they have learned how to create
similar technologies than it's really it's hard sometimes to figure
out if you're just seeing the craft, you're not seeing
the beings. It's hard to figure out if this is
something that is extraterrestrial, ultra dimensional, or if we are

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looking at something here that is something humans have created,
you know, like a top secret military project. Anyway, you'll
hear more about what happened next that night when we
come back. I'm Joshua pet Warren, and you're listening to
Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to
Coast a AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I will be right

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back and welcome back to the final segment of this

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edition of Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am
your host, Joshua P. Warren. And so there I was
looking through Third Gin night vision and I saw this
big illuminated V shaped thing in the sky. And now

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back to my audio, here's what happened next. I actually
was startled because I could see it through the goggles,
but I take the goggles down and I could not
see it with the naked eye. Now, third Gin allows
you to see into the infrared realm, which is usually invisible,
you know, to the naked human eye. So I so

(39:05):
this was obviously something uh infra red. But I at
first thought that this was some kind of a digital artifact,
and I said that out loud. I said, guys, I
think my goggles are messed up because I keep seeing
this big V shape. And at that point Dean and
Dean jr Uh they apparently turned in my direction, and

(39:29):
I heard a chorus of holy because now it turns
out that we were all seeing the same thing. This
was not a digital artifact. This was exactly, as I said,
a huge V shape. Now, let me clarify something. People
talk all the time about seeing a triangle craft or

(39:52):
a triangular craft. Um, what I saw was a giant V,
just like the hand of God had taken some kind
of a highlighter and just drawn a giant V. There
may have been a a triangular craft there that was invisible,

(40:14):
and all I was seeing was was the front two edges.
But all I could see was this nice, coherent the
very linear. It wasn't I didn't see dots of light
or anything like that like the Phoenix lights. No, this
was just like a big V, and actually over top

(40:35):
of it was what appeared to be a smaller V.
And so having no clue what this is, of course,
we're just you know, dumbfounded. As we're all sharing the
experience of watching this gigantic craft or it may have
been two craft, I'm not sure. And the thing is,

(40:58):
it was traveling quite slowly, and it was absolutely silent,
and it was as it got closer to us, it
was humongous. Okay, I can't say that it passed directly
over our heads, but I mean it was close enough
by that. You know, there's no way a person can

(41:18):
honestly look up and see something like that and and
tell you how far away it is or how big
it is, because you just can't judge that information at
night when you see a light like that. But it was.
It was a huge thing. You know, we we we
can only use airplanes and helicopters is as examples of
how to gauge this stuff. And this huge V shape

(41:41):
silently took its time, oh at least a couple of minutes, uh,
going across from right to left, from the southeast to
the northwest. And what it turns out was the direction
of Nellis Air Force Space. At the time, I was sure.
I had to go back later and look it up.

(42:03):
And as this gigantic thing passed over top of us, um,
I have never felt so small in my entire life.
It was eerie. Um. The it reminded me a lot
of the experience portrayed in two thousand one of Space

(42:25):
Odyssey when the Obelisk is viewed. And so when this
thing passed over look, I can't tell you whether or
not this was some kind of a secret military craft,
or if it was extraterrestrial or extra dimensional or ultra
you know, I don't know, but whatever it was, it

(42:50):
was something that made me feel so out of place
and uh, and there was this sort of instinctual fear
of this gigantic thing that was that was flying, you know,
more or less over us and and again like silently

(43:10):
off into the distance. And we were also amazed. Of course.
At one point Dean gave his goggles to Will, and
Will saw it as well. The thing that we'll always
kick ourselves over is that none of us had a
camera that night. And even if we had a camera,
I don't know how if we would have taken the

(43:32):
time to just like hook it up to the goggles
and get this footage. Because you have to understand, there's
a moment when you see something that truly boggles your
mind where you're not thinking about necessarily documenting what you're seeing,
you're just looking at and trying to figure out what
it is. Uh, it's after the fact that you're like, oh, man,

(43:54):
I wish I should have done this and that and
the other, you know, and doctor, we did not have
camera us to document this thing, but let me tell you,
it is burned forever in our memories. And we went
back to the resort and casino where we were staying,
where the event was being held, and we stayed up

(44:15):
all night long in my room talking over and over
and over about this, like what was that? Well, I mean,
it was that profound. And the next day I obsessively
called every government agency I could get Ahome. Of course,
I started with you know, the the the airport and

(44:36):
the Air Force and all the military connections I could
get and like. And then I called the Wildlife Service
and I asked them about Formation Flying Foul. Even though
I knew there was no way we were looking at
something like that, I knew that people would would possibly
bring that up, And of course I was told, like, no,

(44:57):
this is February and it's it's very very cold, and
there are no that I was told explicitly by two
or three people there are no Formation flying foul around here,
and so this was, UM, this was such a strange
and overwhelming experience that I was hooked immediately. And that's

(45:21):
when I started getting into third generation night vision technology
very seriously. And that's when I helped to create the
Para Temporal night Vision Company to make sure that the
best night vision possible gets out there at the people's
hands who are uh wanting to see this kind of
stuff and and do this kind of research. And I

(45:46):
have never seen anything quite like it. There was another
occasion when I was UH out in the desert in Henderson, Nevada,
and I saw what may have been a similar kind
of v V shape craft, but it was it was
much much much higher and very faint, and I didn't

(46:08):
get nearly as as good of a look at it.
But that that experience impressed me so much that I
now live in Las Vegas. I moved out here five
years ago, and uh, I go out all the time
with the third GIN and I am hoping to see

(46:31):
that thing again close up, just like I did in Laughlin,
and this time my fingers are crossed. Then I will
have a camera and be able to document it. But
whatever these things are, UM, they are so tangible and

(46:52):
so real and so solid, and yet there is something
absolutely surreal about the feeling that you get when you
stand there at night and watch one of these behemoths
quietly float above you and beyond, and it always gives

(47:15):
me goose bumps to think back on that night. Monday,
February of two thousand nine. Okay, so there is my
report and it sounds pretty similar to what Sean Kevin
Jason saw, don't you think. Let me squeeze in one

(47:37):
email here before the break. This comes from a listener
in Australia. His name is Rob and he says, gooday,
Joshua from Rob in Australia. I've been listening to your
shows while doing construction work at my home and I
have also been applying for and not getting past first
base for jobs for eighteen months. So you keep playing

(47:59):
those tunes? Is the good Fortune tone? And you're talking
about manifesting what we want? Well, guess what today? I
had about two calls. I had two calls about jobs,
and he said one is for an outback is the
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that to get an appreciation of the location. It's a

(48:22):
coordinator role in the Aboriginal community, and so I will
be giving back to the community anyway. I thought you
should know that you might have helped me. Thank you, Rob.
How cool is that? Well, you know what. Thank you, Rob,
And now let's see if we can help out everybody else.
Take a deep breath, and here it is the good

(48:43):
Fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show.

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