End The Negativty and Jump To Inspire with Laila Little Omosawe

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
That's what's up.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Family.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's your girl to Meeka D. Mallory and it's your
boy my son. That general, we.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Are your host of street politicians the place with the
street and politics going on.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Mister Lennon, it's a new week.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yes, ma'am. How you feeling that good?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I am feeling energized. I had a long week. A
lot of powerful things happened last week, and just a
lot of moments where you could just see God's hand
in my life.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And then by the weekend, you know, we'll talk about
Carly Russell and being involved in that. I was so
drained Sunday I just had to like sit still because
I was like this, this can't be life. You know,
it just can't be life. But we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, you know, we had we had a good week. Man.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Shout out to Jay z Man in the book A
Whole and shout to the whole Rock Nation and everybody
over there. Man, it's it's an amazing exhibit. We happen
to make the exhibit, you know, it's just dope.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
May not even know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
The exhibit that they are doing in Brooklyn and the
Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Library, the Brooklyn Library.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
They turned it into a museum.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Actually, there are several exhibits inside the Brooklyn Library in
which is honoring.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Jay Z's career.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
You know, the pretty much the whole floor is wrapped
with his face. The inside is wrapped, but the whole
front is wrapped with his lyrics. You know, you have
to experience they have. They actually recreated the Baseline studio
where where he you know, records or has recorded pretty
much all his albums. There's a room where it's like

(01:51):
there has like a little mini movie of him.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
That is dope.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
They have a room called Win Win where it shows
old of the forty forty you know, his escapades. Then
they have rooms with different albums that you can see
as different exhibits of each thing that pretty much signifies
with his career as meant for the fiftieth in Vertua,

(02:17):
I mean, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, When When, though it's not just forty forty When
When is about his it's forty forty moments in there,
but it's also about his political contributions and social justice work.
So that's why they call it When When, because it's
all it has.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Which that's where, like you said, we're in that room.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
We did make the exhibit and we're in that room
and that's where they talk about, you know, his.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Work in Kansas City, Kansas against.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
The police department that was literally aware of the rape
of black and brown women for many years and didn't
do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And so we god we worked with them in partner
with Team Rock.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Shout out to Donia Diez and of course, uh Desiree
Perez for you know, the collaboration that we did there,
and so they have that they have pars in prison.
All the different you know, social justice and political activity
or what have you that he's been engaged in throughout
his career is in that Win Win room.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
One hundred percent correct, Thank you for correcting me.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
But this is it's just there's a there's a there's
a plethora of things in there that if you have
an opportunity, make sure you go out to the Brooklyn
Library and and and you know, visited. I know people
have been visiting the last few days and and everybody
is saying that.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
They love it.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
A lot of my friends have went and visited it.
So I would recommend you go see it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
You and jay Z were very young when y'all first.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Met and throughout life you all have encountered one another
many times. Just thinking about a concert that he was doing,
a show he was doing, not a concert, but it
was like a show maybe four or four years ago
or three years ago where from the stage he saw
you there and he as he was performing, he called

(04:10):
you out and was like, you know, my something shout
out to you or whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
You remember that, yeah, it was the B side concert
or it was.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
A concert, okay, yeah, So just thinking about that and
then seeing the exhibit and knowing where you were at
the different times, sometimes in the room, sometimes around the area,
sometimes not in the room, Like how does it make
you feel?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I mean it's dope, man, because being a young artist
and you know, and watching jay Z and just seeing
where he came from, just understanding.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
That, like watching like in the mid nineties ninety six.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
I remember the first time I seen jay Z was
outside I think it was probably like the supper club
or something, and he was standing here and he was
just chilling, and I remember that was when in my
lifetime had dropped and I loved it so much in
my lifetime, and.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I loved that song.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
And then I remember him in Big l freestyling on
stretching by Beto like, and he became an artist that
I paid attention to.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
So when I first seen I was like, and he
was like, Ye.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
That's my man, Mylecus from the Legion, And I was standing.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
He's like, Yo, that's jay Z. That's a jay Z dude.
That's how they just say, that's the jay Z kid
right there, you.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
And they was doing their thing, and I remember watching
him from that moment he was just real quiet, you know,
not really saying much to just being around, and then
being in the studio when he did Money Cash Holes
with DMX, and being in the studio watching him him
write his verse for the Blackout and him not even

(05:49):
write the verse. He just sat in the booth with
the locks and he was in the Locke studio and
I walk in the room and he's just mumbling to
hisself for like fifteen minutes and then he goes to
the space.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
One of the hardest verses you ever hear in your life.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
So just watching him evolve from that to be pretty
much one of the biggest hip hop artists who ever
ever lived to see that, it's motivational for me. I
don't know how you can't be motivated knowing like literally
seeing those steps, and then not only that, it's people
like Ta Ta, who I've seen with him since day one,

(06:26):
you know what I'm saying. It's also brothers like you know, Emery,
you know who I've grown to have a real dope
relationship with og who I have another real a doult relationship.
So just knowing how tight knit they circle is and
knowing who all of them have come from, it's I
don't know, like, if you're not motivated, I don't even
know what to tell you. I can't tell you know,

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everybody got their own situation or whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But I'm just saying, I know.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
You know the beginnings that that man came from, and
I know the work that he put in to get there,
So you know, it's is it's a win win for
me because whenever I see somebody I know been through
a lot and have actually put the work in winning,
you know, I feel like I wanted.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
So I don't know about.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Nobody, and it's and that And the thing is what
people somebody will say, oh but he did this and
and you did that, we don't That doesn't mean that
every single step along the way everybody or even understand

(07:32):
certain things. Sometimes it's not just agree or not. Sometimes
you don't even understand. You confused as to why people
are making certain moves.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And so you can.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Say that you can hold that and hold being, you know,
appreciating the art and the growth and the development at
the same time. So I know that I don't know
any I you know, obviously I'm a hip hop fan,
but I've always been in the movement since a very
young girl. And unfortunately, not unfortunately, but fortunately for me,

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the music that we listened to certainly wasn't that, you know,
I hip hop. Of course, I know reasonable dog, I
got all of them. I know all the words, all
of that. But my every day wasn't as immersed if
you will, in that part of the life. So that's
just something that I kind of missed, right. I never

(08:28):
got to go to a concert or see Little Kim
or go to the Apollo for those concerts. When I
went to the Apollo, it was for older folks, it
was for James Brown, it was for you know, things
like that. That's just the way I was raised.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
So I don't know jay Z from that time.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I know the Jay z that I came into contact
with after the Colin Kaepernick situation, and that's been fairly
you know, a short period of time. But he was
open to hearing my feelings about what happened with Colin
and my thoughts on the way forward. And they, of course,

(09:08):
led by Desiree, created a space for social justice within
Rock Nation and Team Rock that is not like, you know,
yeah they sit, No, it's real. It's a real space,
you know, where you can really bring an issue and
be like, hey, we need help, we need resources, or
we need to develop a campaign, or we need to

(09:29):
get other people behind certain ideas and different things. And
I'm just saying that I can't tell you nothing about
the past, but I do know that the commitment to
the work has been very strong, and it doesn't and
we don't even agree all the time on that, you know,
Desre and I have conversations all the time when she's
feeling one way about an issue, I feel another way,

(09:50):
and then we find a way to But nevertheless, never
do they say, well, because we don't necessarily agree or
feel it or understand it, we're just not going to
support you that and happen. So I just and I know,
people probably get tired of us saying it, but similar
to how we do with Ben Crump, we have to
constantly tell people because they will shift the narrative so quick.

(10:13):
Speaking of shifting narratives going into our next topic, we
can get into that, but they will shift the narratives
so quick on people, and we see it done to us.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
So just like I know that there are rooms that
I'm not in.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
And people tell me this all the time, that they're
in certain rooms, and folks start talking all kinds of
shit about me, Oh you know, she's this, and she's scamming,
and then then the money from the Black Lives Matter
and she's not serious and not this and that and
she ain't.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Shit and da da da da da.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And it's people who constantly have to say, eh, I
don't know about this, and that maybe you don't like her, you.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Had a bad accountable her. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'm not gonna argue that. But I could tell you
about what until freedom does. I can tell you about,
you know, what she's been doing with her work, how
long she's been doing this. I can tell you about
you know that the money wasn't stolen, and then this
and that and the third, I can tell you those things,
and that's important to me. So just as I feel
the support, you know, whether it be Ben Krump, whether

(11:18):
it be J and B, whether it be whoever, I'm
gonna always make sure that I speak truth to power
around my interaction.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Same thing with Puff.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
You know, say whatever you want, whatever you want, because
I don't know all the details of all the ins
and outs, nor do I have the time to do
the work or even to focus on it. And I'm
sure some of what everybody has to say is true, right,
because all of us have flaws, we have things we've
done wrong, people we've done wrong, people we've hurt, we've

(11:49):
hurt ourselves, we all nobody is above critique for the
things that we've done. And so I, you know, let's
just put that on the table. But still there are
other things that need.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
To be highlighted just as loud. So that's all I
have to say.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
I mean, you pretty much said it, man, And that's
that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I you know, there are there are people who for me,
the good outweighs the bad. Yeah, And if you if
you hear me negatively talk about somebody, but oh you
always got to come.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's because I haven't seen that person do anything good.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Like for me to talk about you, I have to
say you, this person really has not done anything that
I think is good, because that's the only way I
might have a negative conversation.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
But it's a bunch of people.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You don't say no because I see the good in
the balance. I see the balance with the individual.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Ye, they might have did some shit, and I might say, yo,
I think you probably should do this better or this
and that. But for me to publicly out somebody is
because you, in my opinion, have added nothing but negativity
to the culture, you know. And so when I talk
about somebody positively, it's because I see the majority of
positive Like have I agreed with everything.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That Jay or Crump or anybody has said or done.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
No, And sometimes I might be like, yeah, I don't,
I don't really like that, or I don't really agree
with that, or you know, but I still I'm gonna
still support them. But what I'm gonna say is this,
for the most part jay Z's career and what he's
not only just watching him evolve into a businessman and
watching him quietly.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
And not even want come out, not even want.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
To come out and say, yo, I do this for
the movie, I do this, I've done this, I've done
this for Black Fel for him not even.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
To want to do that.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
And I know personally people that he's done and personally
things that he does that none of these people would
ever do. You know, is it's just it's humbling, and
it's it's motivating because a lot of times that's how
I move. Like a lot of people, Oh you just this,
and you don't even y'all don't even know half the
ship that I do.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
I don't post half the ship that I do in
the communities.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
I don't post half the people I speak to the
kids I did, like, that's not something I posted because
I don't. It ain't even in my mind most of
the time. You know, I don't do it because social
media needs to see it. So when you see social media,
you think that that's all that's going on, but it's
way more shit going on. So and I don't have
and I don't have the care to clear up. And

(14:18):
that's what that's what I learned. He doesn't have the
care to clear up your misconceptions. You know, they got
the meaning that says, yeah, what they said, yet believe it.
That's what I did it, go stay over there. I
did whatever they said I did. Yep, fuck that And
that's that's what it is, you know. So I've learned
that from him and just being able to to work

(14:40):
silently but effectively.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So they their their strategy has been and I have
learned it because I tell you this weekend, for some reason,
people just was attacking me. I don't know what was
going on social media. Was just like a bunch of
people saying I wasn't shit the different reason and I

(15:02):
was so comfortable not responding. And one of the reasons
why is because after spending some time with Jay and
then of course, you know, Beyonce and I had a
very powerful moment together.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
With my sister Alicia Keys, who was there as well.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
And by the way, shout out to Alisha because also
in the same week, Alicia Keys sold out the Barclays
for an incredible concert. Incredible concert all of us to
be there, it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
She is definitely the go.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
People need to put some respect on Alicia Key, no
for real, because it was a great concert. And that's
the second time, because the other time was at Radio
City Hall. The other time I saw was at Radio
City Hall and it was smaller and that was special,
and then this was big and it was special.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
So anyway, go Alicia.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
But we shared a moment between Alisha and Beyonce and
myself and it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Was so beautiful, just so beautiful SLISters, and.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
It just reminded me because one thing about both Alicia
and Beyonce is that they're just not gonna argue with you.
They just not gonna do it. It's just no way
at all are those two women gonna stop and get
in the back and forth with people who are trying
to degrade them, disrespect them, you know, demean them. And

(16:33):
what happened and I realized this weekend, I'm not doing it.
I'm not even responding half of this stuff. Maybe one
or two things, but it was done in love. But
other than that, all of that nastiness, I didn't respond
to it. And what I realized is that their strategy
has been right, wrong, or different or indifferent. Say nothing,

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and then the people are arguing with themselves. They can
only they can only make as much out of a
story as what you give them to feed into it.
So if you don't talk, they don't got nothing that
they could.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
There's nowhere to go.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
So speaking of saying nothing, Carl Russell, you know, Friday
night I also attended.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
It was a big week for Jay the Sean Carter
Foundation twenty year anniversary.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
His mother Gloria, she runs the foundation, and they had
a super fancy gala that I attended, happy to be there,
got my little one seat that I didn't even I
wasn't even supposed to be there, but it just so
happened that I was able to go, and I enjoyed
Babyface and Regina Hall and just you know, an incredible event.

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And some of the young people, they're not all of
them are young anymore, because it's been twenty years that
have been through the program and there's you know, have
received support and they've gone on to colleges and the
great futures.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
And she just was beautiful. DJ College was there.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
They raised seventeen million dollars that night. People you know,
Beyonce signed a bottle of Ace of Spades. People you know,
had an opportunity to put their little to do the auction,
participate in the auction for all that stuff. Of course
I didn't participate because it was above my pay grade.
But at least I was there and it was cool
and when But the whole time I was sitting there

(18:24):
on my phone just thinking, big bing bing, big bing.
People were speaking about our writing me about carl Russell,
who turns out she is her and her mother our
sorority sisters of mine, so they are aka's and you
know which, By the way, there have been non akas
that you know, families have reached out about folks missing.

(18:47):
I was involved in another situation where a woman believed
to be a young woman believed to be traffic from
working at Disney World, and that was just a couple
of months ago. She wasn't an AKA, but we were
all hands on deck. So I just want to get
that out there before people say, oh, the reason why
is because no is That's one reason. But we've done
it in other situations, and you know, we know the story.

(19:11):
I don't think anybody that listens to street politician does
not know the story of Carlie Russell pulls over on
the side of the road, calls the police, says she
sees a child walking. Then she calls assistant law system.
Law hears her get out the car, ask the child,
are you okay? And the next thing, you know, a scream,
and then nothing else except highway noise, and then she's gone,

(19:34):
vanished for with her car there, her wig there, her
other personal items. She's gone for two days. People are
literally pouring everything in their souls to try to find
this lady. I know, I was on all types of
calls and back channels and working specifically with Star Jones
and another woman by the name of Mignon Moore and

(19:57):
some other sisters to do all we can to you know,
help the family.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And we were engaged and.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And I had every If she was not found safe
in a day or two, I was certainly going to Alabama.
That would have been the next move. But you know,
there was a lot of other stuff. We wrote letters,
wrote letters to the sorority, wrote letters to others. I mean,
just so much work that went into, you know, trying

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to look for this young woman. And then all of
a sudden she's found safe or she orrot she comes
home or whatever the details are.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Because there's a few things.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
On one hand, someone from Hoover, Alabama sent me a
message saying that she contacted her family somehow from one
place and then all and then another post that I
saw said that a bunch of cars pulled up with
her family, vehicles and stuff at that location, which they say,

(20:58):
I'm not even gonna say it because I don't want
to read false foods, but there, so they went there,
so it's probably true that somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
They believed she was. And then the next thing you know,
she pops up at home.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And you know, it was a real scary situation because
at one point Sunday evening, I was feeling real grim,
like I just don't know if this woman is gonna
be found alive. I prayed about it, I cried about
it because I know if I'm driving down the road
even still today, knowing what I know, knowing that I

(21:35):
shouldn't do it, understanding it could be a trap and everything.
Me driving past a baby, a child walking on the
side of the street, that's I don't I'm not gonna
I'm never gonna be okay with it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I just can't do it now.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Maybe I know now.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That you can't get out the car.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
You gotta stay in the car, keep the car locked,
and try your best to keep but if the child
steps off, they're like it's gonna walk into the moving traffic.
I gotta I gotta do what I gotta do. And
that's still today, knowing what I know, Mice, that's.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
A fact, now, I get it.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
I mean, you know, it's it's it's a lot of
different variables in this situation. For me, just knowing that
a woman just was lost and there was nobody trying,
I didn't feel like people were doing the best they
could to find her. You know, I utilized my platform,
my voice too, you know. So, by the grace of God,

(22:36):
she she she showed back up and she's alive. We
don't know the details of exactly what happened to her,
you know, and people are assuming this and that or
you know, you The thing for me, true, I'll get
into my I don't get anyware, but just for this,
this exact situation, the thing for me is that, you know,

(22:56):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
That I'll don't give our people enough grace.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
You know, we just always assumed the worst, you know,
and you know there's already the oh.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
She's lying.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
How could she be lying when she ain't never said us.
You know what I'm saying, She was lying. She ain't
said a word. We we just dow she disappeared.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
We don't know what the thing we were giving us,
her sister her this and that the police. She called
the police. The police gave the same story. She said this,
she called her sister in law. Next thing you know,
she was gone, we said, but maybe she was deducted.
It seemed like she was abducted. All she just we
don't know what happened to her. She never said this

(23:39):
happened or that happened. So for people to say that
she's lying and this and that, it's just so weird.
And it's always our people that do it. And I
just be like, I don't understand us, man, we just
always want to assume the worst.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, it is what I will say.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I feel sorry for her because understanding all that I've
now learned from people like Tony Rivera and others about trafficking,
she might not even remember what happened to her. And
the way that people want the blow by blow details
as if they're watching a Lifetime movie. It's folks don't

(24:19):
want you to tell them what happened, who was it,
what they look like, where they take you, what did
they smell like?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
What did you eat? Did you not? The people want
the TV show, They want the Netflix special.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Immediate same night woman two days she's gone. Her boyfriend
comes out with the statement saying she was fighting for
her life for forty eight hours. Y'all want not even
to give these people a minute to sit down, because
I'm sure between law enforcement and hopefully the family has lawyers,

(24:54):
a good lawyer, because they need to make sure everything
they say is done properly. You know, it's stated whether
it and people will say, well, just tell the story
the truth.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
No, But that's not the way the world works, right.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
The world doesn't work like that because one it can
be unsafe, like she could literally be in danger. Traffickers
are not the kind of people that just go away.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's not what happens. They keep tabs on families, They
threaten people. We have no idea, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
And I get it.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I understand that people feel they worked hard, they were invested,
they were engaged. So if I'm that engaged, I feel
I deserved for you to at least say, hey, you know,
this is.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
The these are the basic facts of what has happened.
I need them. Well, that's the point. That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
The problem is that you're asking somebody who left their
car on the side of the road over was taken
from their car. However you want to, I want to
make sure we say it properly. In other words, what
I'm saying is, let's just say that she had a
mental health crisis and just decided to walk into the woods. Right,
because listen, I've seen all kinds of experts, people talking

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about folks.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Who look for a minute, they just lose it. Right,
there was no child.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
She saw something, she thought it was a child, and
she just walked into the woods and disappeared for forty
eight hours. One then she would have been sleeping in
the woods, because anywhere else that she would have shown
up anywhere, anywhere, anywhere, walking on the road, making it
on the street, going to the store, pissing in a corner,

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somebody Finnah, see you, somebody gonna see you.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
So so, but let's just say the story that it's
a hoax.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And she just walked off into the netherland and sat
in the woods and said, he look at them, they
all look at me, and I'm just sitting here.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right. Let's just steak that that's happening.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Wow, And God forbid, she can't remember the details that's
what they're gonna say. And when you get drugged and
shit in these trafficking situations, people don't always remember. Even
shock can remove certain parts of people's memory. It can
block certain parts of their memory. So I'm just saying
that you make the most valid point. You made this

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point yesterday and you're making it again today.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
And I agree.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
The woman didn't tell us anything. She ain't lied about nothing.
All they all were doing is going by the family's
report of the police call and the and what she
said to.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Her assistant law. Other than that, the.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Fact that she shit is just on the street, on
the side of the road, like and she go on
cell phone, listen something wrong, you know, So that's it,
and we we would based on no, based on those facts,
I would still do the same thing. Even if she
wasn't if she came back they said she was doing

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mental health whatever, I would still have done the exact
same thing, because the lady needed.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Somebody to find out where she was. And that's it,
you know.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
I would definitely let want to know if we were
able to save her from being abducted, and whatever, maybe
our voices made the people. We consider whatever it is
anything but whatever it is somehow she came home safe.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And that's that's the blessing in itself for me.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Even if she had a crisis, even if she decided
she was gonna run away, even if whatever, still she
her family didn't know where she was as she needed
to be found.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeap, she could have been, she could have been. I'm
going with the hopes theory.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
My thing is, I don't even for it to be
a hoax, there would have to have.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
The hopes would start now like she would have to
make up a story today that's not true.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
What would be the hoax based off of like what
would what would be It's not like there's no go
fund me to find her, that's not like she Yeah,
she would have to start now, say that somebody did
something to her action you know.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
The hopes would come in.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
But but what I'm saying though, right, I'm saying that
even if I'm going with the hoax, right and she
just she just did this whatever.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Still in all she could have been suicidal, like you
don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
So the point is that the work that we did
to get her returned home or to be located, that
actually is it was effective and and and it was
it was effective and it was also necessary.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
And I say this and we can move on.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
People need to really stop because they've never experienced it,
acting like trafficking is not a real thing.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's a real lie problem that we are dealing with
right now. Yeah, real life problems.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
And in the conversations that I was having over the
weekend on Saturday, people were really trying to decide do
we make a lot of noise and get the woman
killed because they're afraid that now we can't do anything
with us. She's no good for the trafficking needs, whether
there be organ stealing organs or sex or prostitution or whatever.

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She's no longer useful for those things because it's too
much attention to who she is.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So we could kill her, or you make so much
noise that they released her.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
And I believe, I truly believe that number two was
what happened. That whoever had her said we need to
get rid of her because if we do something to her,
it's going to be so much attention brought to us
and our ring or whatever we got going on the

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operation that we're running here in Alabama, that we're gonna
get caught.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So we should just let her go.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
The sad part about it, though, is that there are
other missing people right now that need similar attention. And
I don't even know the mechanism that you use to
help put that kind of.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Pressure out there. I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mean, I'm sure there is there are others that
are experts in but this is a deep.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Thing, and you know, in the worst case scenario, you know,
the reality is this brought to light to a lot
of people that trafficking is a thing. A lot of
people didn't really pay attention. So this situation may be
and this what happened to this lady, whether that's the
situation or not, because we haven't heard her exactly say

(31:52):
what happened. But the way the scenario that you know
allegedly happened happens.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Every day.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Shit like this happens every people abducted like this, on
the side of the road, walking out of buildings, walking
this like every day, shit like this happens. So even
though you know, we don't know the exact you know, situation,
and you know all of the details to what exactly
happened here, this is not far fetched from it if.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Not, because you know what, my son, there's another and
I hate to be the one to throw out theories
because it's dangerous, it catches fire. And hopefully by the
time our show airs, which is in two days, we
will know the story and so what I'm saying won't matter.

(32:41):
But I just want to be clear again, I have
no details. So everything we're saying here today is just
us speaking for the point of discussing how we react,
like how we as people, especially as black people, react,
you know, to our own especially when we don't.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Get information, and we right away, right.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
And the other thing is, let's just say, for some
strange reason, it wasn't a child, but it was something
else on the side of the road, that she might
have thought it was a kid.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It was a child, or it was something else, maybe mine.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
It is not far fetched to know that if a
man sees or not even just a man, because traffickers
move about all day, and by the way, women are
engaged as well. But I would imagine that in terms
of physical ain't no one woman by herself gonna just
pull up on the side of the road and snatch somebody.
But if the traffickers see people, or even just a

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regular rapists look at that man, they just found the
man in Suffolk County, somewhere in New York.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
He was killing people. He was killing people.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
So if you on the side of the road, investigate
in the situation. Why do people think that folks don't
make a split decision. Let me pull up and see
what this is about. Oh you are here by yourself.
Oh you, I'm gonna I'm gonna snatch you. I'm actually
gonna kidnap you. That that happens as well. You don't
have to be a part of a massive operation, a

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massive sex trafficking ring and operation.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
People people bottomselves. Jeffrey Donald was out here on his own.
What are we talking about? Like, stop acting like these
things can't happen.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And her mother said something in this statement that is
so powerful that we did not entertain negative thoughts before
she when she was missing, and now that she's back,
we still will not entertain your negativity, the nasty comments
and all those things. But you'll need to get in
touch with God yourself to know that they are miracles.

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That's actually possible, that God can do major things.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
And I believe that, so I, you know, until.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
The sad part is the only logical or acceptable you know,
acceptable outcome would have been something negative for people, right,
that is the only way that they believe something happened
to is unfortunate. If she'd have lost her life then

(35:14):
and it's it's sad that that is the mind.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
State that we have, and that's period.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So anyway, I'm glad Carly Russell is home, and I
hope Sis is somewhere healing and getting herself together, because
no matter what the circumstances are, leaving your shit on
the side of the road is all something is wrong.
Something is wrong, something is wrong, something is wrong, your mind,
your heart, your life, somebody, it's all bad.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
And so whatever happened is this. Thank God she's safe.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I think that if if Carly Russell would have died,
it would have been a devastating.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Blow to the world.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Like people were so invested in that situation that if
she would have died, I think people there would be people.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Out here who would really be messed up.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And I don't have the woman's child's name, and I
will get it, but I want to make sure to
mention that one of the volunteers that was on the
ground with the family every step of the way was
a woman who also had a child to go missing
and her child can't was that it was killed, and

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so you know, I it's things like that, like helping
these folks to locate or to put a movement together
for somebody else's child. Is healing for you when you
lost someone. And so if she would have been, if
the outcome wasn't as it is, just don't know. So

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this week and there's and and there's a couple of
things going on. In fact, I'm in a kind of
like a debate text that's been going on all day
today about Representative Eli Crane saying in a congressional meetings,
I guess they were voting. He called the black folks
who were pushing back on things, you know, policies and

(37:10):
legislative items that he wants to put forward and that
the Republican Party is pushing for. The black Democrats were
going at it back and forth with them and trying
to push back.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And he called them colored people.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I saw Joyce Baby, who is a congresswoman herself, she
was like livid, and she demanded that they striped from
the statement those words, which means that it would be
removed from the statement, and that he would not that
it would never be in the record that he actually
said that referred to them as colored people.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And so there are a few folks.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Debating that, like organizations like the NAACP is still called
colored people, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People,
and there are other places where people still use the
language colored people.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
And so the debate is.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You know, should folks be so upset with him for
using the terminology colored people? And my answer is absolutely
not even because of what he said, but because of what.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
He was talking about. He was in the process of
trying to.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Destroy remove change, diversity programs in the military and all
types of.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Other banning anything that has.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
To do with diversity or looking at our history or
or you know, or or things that have been used
to help black folks, African Americans and other people of
color advance in an oppressive system.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
They are in the process of trying to roll all
that back.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So if he was just a regular white man who
was having a regular conversation, even a regular.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Congressman who or a congressman.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Who was having a regular thing, and in his debate
or whatever, he used the language colored people, I might
not feel as strongly about it. But the fact that
he is using that context in the moment when he's
also fighting to diminish all of the programs and the

(39:31):
things that we have fought for to ensure that African
Americans and other disadvantaged communities have opportunities that we've been
locked out of. Tells me why he would use the
language colored people, because by the way that language comes
from a place, there's a history of why the word

(39:55):
or the term colored people was being used. They never
called us African Americans. They show Africans who were then
in America. They stripped us of everything. All of our culture,
our names, our language, everything was stripped from us, and
they reduced us to being colored people because they could

(40:16):
never call us what we were, which was Africans in America,
enslaved people. They could never say that black probably had
not been I think Reverend Jesse Jackson is one of
those who started saying black.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
People, right, So American.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
African American, he said, African Americans. Right, excuse me? So
so we is these are that sort of like new terminology, right,
But when I say, knew, of course as many decades,
but I'm just saying it's new terminology in comparison to them.
Folks calling us colored. So if you say, if you

(40:56):
are a white man who generally tries to walk on
the right pace side of history, trying to do the
right things, you are an ally and the movement. And
then you say, and the colored people blah blah blah. Okay, fine,
you could give them a past and say, hey, you
can't say that, right, but demand that's working to ban
our history and our our work.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Fuck him, like, I mean, what are we talking. I
don't understand what the debate. I don't know. It's just black.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I think the debate I think people and it's it's like,
it's just like the word nigga, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I think I think that there are certain demographics.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Of people who believe that it's wonderful if we say it,
then why can't we say it? You know, if the
NAACP still says colored people, then why can't the white
people say color people?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Because you can't.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
You can't say it because we're not going to accept
it from you.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
You not.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
The reality is that there's a history of racism in
this country that comes from white people imposing their wills,
imposing taking away culture and everything from black people. Those
said white people who come from that lineage, you come
from your descent. Do not have the right to call

(42:13):
us the names that we might have adopted for ourselves. Unfortunately,
we've adopted certain you know, names and in certain terms
for ourselves because that's what through our history we were
taught to do, and a lot of us just like
we want. Like I said, with the word nigga, we've
we've used it in power, we use it as a
brotherly term, we use it as something that we do

(42:34):
inside our communities. But I don't care. I forgot who
it was. Del Roy Lindo, you know, he was getting
interviewed on on on the news and he said, you know,
I don't understand why you guys can say the word
and I can't say it.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
And he said, so go ahead say it. He said,
say it. You want to say it, say it, say it.
I let go ahead say say it. Say it.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
He said, no, I'm not gonna, okay, So you sound
like you want to say it, so say it. The
reality situation is is you shouldn't even want to say
because you you understand that the term coming from you
doesn't mean the same thing. So don't want don't There's
no need for you to try to figure out why
you can't say shit that you know, the reason why

(43:18):
you can't say it.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
It's like if I got a nickname, if my grandmother
and my uncle called me booby, you can't walk in
my house and call me booby if we don't have
that relationship.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
That's like, this is just the reality of what's going on.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Unfortunately, we have, we have indoctrinated certain shit that a
lot of people feel as toxic for us. A lot
of people feel that us using the word nigga is
degrading because of what it was originally meant to me.
And I get everybody's understanding of it. And if if
if some of our people believe that, then every white
person should know that. So even if some there's a

(43:52):
small demographic of black people that still utilize certain terminologies
that we use from slave, from slavery, that we haven't
got over that somebody we've rationalized amongst us, it's amongst us.
It ain't for white people to try to figure out.
It ain't for white people to try to indoctrinate. And
it's unfortunate that the white most of the white people

(44:13):
ain't having these conversations. Once again, it's black people. It's
black people saying, well, we're throwing with them saying it
if we do. I do not understand. I can't wait
to get to mind. Don't get it because that's I'm
black people, is they I'm just I'm just so confused,
you know. But but I'm not really confused because it

(44:34):
comes from slavery, and it comes from enslavement. Enslavement, Okay, enslavement,
that's the terminology want to use, and it.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Comes from technology I want to use as the proper term.
It is enslavement because slavery, slavery pretty much means if
we chose that, enslavement means we were forced, it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Was put upon us, enslavey.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yeah, So saying like I wasn't slave almost slavery means.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Let me help you understand it.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I understand slave. I definitely understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
In imposing the act, the enslavement means the act is
being opposed upon somebody.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Okay, right, because what I'm saying is when you say
I was a slave or they were slaves, right, it.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Doesn't get removes the the factor of.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Like somebody somebody, it wasn't a choice, it was it
but that but that person was enslaved, means there's fault,
there's blame, there's someone to place the responsibility and accountability towards.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Okay, I definitely agree. Upgrade my terminalogy, so enslavement.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It was just got to change her songs as well,
by the way, because you know at the end she
says it's the home of the slave, and they wanted
her to save the enslave.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I ain't mad at that either, But I ain't mad
at her if she said no, because she might not
want to change her song, and because I don't. The
thing is the reality situation. It don't mean she know
if everybody know what she meant. You know, before before
we decided that, you know, the terminology was enslaved, we
we understood every time we said slave and slavery, we

(46:29):
knew exactly what we were talking about. So I love
the fact that we are upgrading terminology and we are
advancing certain things, but it does not diminish what the
things were before we advanced it. You understand what I'm saying.
So sometimes that little ventance that ventures Toyota or Chevrolet

(46:50):
that people got from the sixties, they don't want it
to look like the ship in the twenty twenty three.
They want the shit to look exactly like the car. Yeah,
they don't want the truth. They don't care about nothing that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
But well, however, okay, I like that analogy. But here's
the thing. If you know, though, that the engine of
the old ildo or the old whatever has a problem
that's dangerous and people have burned up, died whatever, drove
off the road or whatever, then you have to fix

(47:24):
the engine or get a different vehicle. So the point
is that, yes, it's true we like our vintage stuff,
but if we know that when we're saying things or
riding away it's actually dangerous because it doesn't put things
in the proper context, we should acknowledge it.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's all I'm saying. I change it.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
What I'm trying to say is this, I understand.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
I understand the want for people to say enslavement because
it definitely does put a level of ownership on the
people who actually did the enslavement.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
So I'm like, Okay, I like that, but I'm not
mad as somebody who still says we were slaves and
we dealt with slavery.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
The act of we were slaves, the people who weren't slaves.
If you say, if you look up slaves, you said,
what is this?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But if you say slaves, if you look up slaves,
it will say people who are slaves, right.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Okay, you what slaves are? It would say if you
say slaves, they explain to you what they are.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
All though you wind you want, well I don't want,
and understanding that either way, I'm not mad. I'm sadly.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
I'll definitely give to somebody else. And that's why when
you say they want Jills got to change her song,
I'm like, she might say I wrote this song fourteen fifteen.
Well she said twenty years ago, So yeah, she wrote
at nineteen years old, like that was the song for them,
it ain't for the new terminology for then. It's like
us trying to take a Billy Holiday's Billy Holiday's song

(49:04):
and saying, you know, let's let's change strange Fruit and
we're going to put the direct direct terminology for strange
fruit about all of the shit that we know that.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
No, it was for what it was, it was when
it was.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
If she wrote it yesterday, then we would be utilize
the terminology at nineteen those are the perfect words for that.
So that's what I'm saying. And what I was saying
is we've been indoctrinated, you know. Unfortunately, we've been indoctrinated
into a lot of slave terminology and slave understandings within
our own So we still got to do our own

(49:39):
internal thing. But that does not get anybody outside of
our internal circle the right to utilize terminology that they
know that they are one hundred percent aware is directly,
you know, to hurt and harm in disrespect, and that's
just that. So I'm with her, strict that shit from
the record and make sure.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Woman, Joyce, baby, Joyce baby.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Come woman, we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
All right. So I learned some new stuff. Let me
tell you the two things I learned.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
One, I learned that double dutch is actually a sport
that is acknowledged on the Olympic level. And the second
thing I learned is that in every other country except America,
it is mainly boys who jumped double dutch.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
And you know who.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
We learned it from a woman by the name of
Layla Little Almossalwe and we're about to see an interview
that you and I taped a few days ago with
this woman where she really opened my eyes to a
whole different thing. You know, we constantly learned, and we
said from the beginning, Street Politicians is going to be
a place. We don't know all the words, we don't

(50:54):
know all the things, we don't know all the laws,
but we gonna learn together. And we always try to
invite people that tea just something new. And so for today,
it's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Brothers. If you're watching or you're listening and.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
You're like, oh man, adding gonna talk about double Dutch,
what that got to do with me?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
You should check it out. It's interesting to know.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
That it is actually a sport that a lot of
men are engaged and in other places, and that you know,
for whatever reason here in the United States it's you know,
been geared towards young women.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
But it and and by the way, you know, I
think that what's.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Most important in this conversation that we have with Layla.
By the way, Layla is a champion, so y'all will
learn more about our bio in a moment, but learning
how important it has been to some young women's lives
in this country, getting them off the streets, getting them
engaged in Olympic level.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Practice or sports. That's it. I mean, I didn't even
notice was happening.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
It's something some people are always doing something somewhere.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah, it's a lot, man, So let's get to let's
get to this.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So we're excited today.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You know, it's the summertime and I don't know, for
whatever reason, my son kids just don't go outside.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I don't know if it's the video games.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
I don't know what it is, but it's the it's
bad and I'm the cell phone, the video games, whatever
it is. Kids don't go outside. They don't even have
into personal skills. And I know that when I was
a kid, something like what we're talking about today was
super important, and that was double Dutch. I never learned
to jump, really because for some reason, I have two

(52:35):
left feet, so I'm not good at it. However, I watched.
I was a turner. I was to stand on the
side er. I was a cheerer for the double Dutch
competitions that went on in the hood and people were outside.
And so today we're being joined by something that's really
unique to me. I know, if it's unique to me,
it's absolutely unique to you. And that is a woman

(52:58):
who has risen to the highest level of the double
Dutch field.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
You will.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
And that's Layla Little almost Sideway and she is a
multi time world champion jumper and a coach who now
has her own league. They call you the Double Dutch Queen.
Thank you so much, Layla for joining street politicians.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
Thank you so much for having me. Oh my goodness,
it's so exciting to finally meet you. But I'm just
super excited to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
I'm amazed because I was one of the little young See,
I had a sister, so I had to learn how
to turn. You know, one of her friends was there,
so I had to learn how to turn double Dutch.
I had to know how to turn double orange, and
I had to do all the things I was forced to.
So you know, I became like a fan of watching.

(53:51):
You know, y'all jumped up with this. I even tried
a little bit, but like to me, could said, I
couldn't really do all the jumps and stuff. I have
the coordination, but so you so obviously you've been jumping
since you were a kid.

Speaker 6 (54:03):
Since I was eight. And first of all, to week
and let me tell you it probably wasn't a jew.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
It probably was the tourneys. It's all in at tourney
and then you ain't have nobody like me to see
you how to jump. I'm saying, sometimes your hood cousin
sisters don't work. We used to mind with a little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Of technique, technique, technique expertise.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
Yeah, yeah, so listen, I've been jumping double us for
a very long time, over thirty years now.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Started jumping at the young age of eight.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Well, my Schoollyard friends taught me how to joke at
the at my elementary school in Norton, New Jersey, and
then we discovered a double us team at the Boys
and Girls club right around the corner. Now, me growing
up from a saving parment household, my mom was always
picking me up from school late, right, So one day
I'm like, well, where are y'all going around the corner?

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Everybody was going around the corner, and luckily I was
in this program, part of the Ready program, which prepares
you for college. My mother always put us to these
different programs to make sure we were exposed a different
thing because she didn't have money. So the Ready program
it paid for your college after you graduate from high school.
So anyway, with that program, you automatically got a membership
to the boys and Girls Club. So I walked around

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to the Boys and Girls Club. I was it was
like God because once I walked in, they already knew
my name. It was so crazy they already knew my name.
It was like signing right here, and I never looked back.
I've been going to the Boys and Girls Club ever
since my whole entire childhood. Fast forward to joining the
Double Dutch team. We became the first team in New
Jersey to make it to the fightings in the World Championship,

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then the first team to actually win the World Championship.
And I'm talking about when it was about two hundred
teams in Double Dutch at that time.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
So it was tight.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
We made one mistake of sitting down the next day.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Anybody who watching who went Double Utch, they know that's
the truth back in the day. But it all made
sense because when I graduated from high school, graduated from
well in the middle of college, I said, this is
my niche, this is what I really want to do.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I want to do it full time and I want
to make a career out of it. Right. I never
knew it was going to blow up to this big,
but that was my thought.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
That was my bigon So it started out as just
a team at first, and then it expanded into me
going our training, others starting up new teams. We even
had a TV show one Lifetime called Jump and after
that it just blew up. Everybody wanted myself and my
business partner at the time to go out and teach
them double Dutch or perfect their skills or start up

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their teams. So we did that and obviously the business
got bigger and big and bigger fast forward.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
We had all these teams now right.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
But we felt like we didn't have a platform for
them to go because the league that we jumped in
was dying out and we didn't want to see the
sport dots, so we decided to start our own lead.
The name was originally International Double Dutch League, but then
not too long ago, I signed a partnership with the
American Olympic body for jump rope, and so now my league,

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the National Association for them Dutch ORGS, is now eligible
for my kids to try out for the Olympic team
for jump rope. Now, we had to change the name
because anything international has.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
To go under the International Jump Rope Union.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
But I'm going to be representing underprivileged youth in the
in the cities of America. Right, So I had to
change the name so it doesn't conflict with the International
Jump Rope Union.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Does that mean so there is.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Actually an Olympic track? By track, I mean like an
area of the Olympics for double dutch?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yes, right now?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Is it double dutch or rope jumping?

Speaker 6 (57:43):
It's jump rope and double dutch is the category that
my expertise lines.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
So I'm going to represent double dutch teams. My league
only you know, focuses on double dutch. But there's the
wire rope jumpers out here that some.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Amazing things in that rope and junk just as bad
in a single rope like box for me, right crazy,
But that's not my expertise.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I love double dutch because you have to do it
as a team.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
You can't do it by yourself. So that's why I
never got into single rope. Because my vision is to
teach girls how to work together for a common.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Goal, and that's what double dock does. You have to
work cohesively in order for it to work.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
So that mean so now your league can officially everybody
from your league is officially able to try.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Out for the Olympics.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, And this year is gonna be crazy, y'all
because I'm looking for more partnership and looking for more
people to you know, have look when I look back, be.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
There for the kids.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
You know, these are our children who don't have the
resources like other.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Children and other leagues.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
So I'm gonna need to build like a barrier around
them to protect them, to make sure that they have
certain things that they need.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
It's a uniforms training. This is top not training.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Now, this is not two days a week type of thing.
Think about you know, the dominique dolls they package every morning.
So we talk about Olympics and we're talking about teams
from underserved communities, We're definitely going to have to make
sure we have things in place for them so that
they can compete. I mean, it's one thing to have
the skills, but they need everything behind it.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
So what's the age group? What's the age group?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
And about how much does it cost for you to
train each child? And then how many kids do you
have currently?

Speaker 6 (59:32):
So it costs about twelve hundred twelve hundred dollars a
month at that level right now, obviously we're not doing
it at that level. So right now, parents are only
paying about one hundred dollars a month. But that's only
because I transform my double Dutch program that I spoke
about before my private company into a mental health and

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nutrition clinic. That way, they can still do double Dutch,
but health insurance is kicking it and offset in that
cost because they're also getting mental health therapy sessions as
well as nutrition and counseling from licensed practitioners. So I
had to find a way to sustain the program because
it got to a point where I couldn't afford to
pay out my own pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I got a whole family now, two little.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Rugbrats running around my house, right So if I didn't
have those insurance pieces involved, and then if we weren't
going to that level, it wouldn't cost so much. But
now we're at the training level where it coasts about
twelve hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It's going to cost about twelve hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
So do you see like the change in some of
these girls that come to you, Like, I know, it's
like like the mentoring, Like I know, you're taking raw
young girls from the hood that probably have issues and
all those things to do you see how it transforms them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
One of the easiest ways, and my favorite thing is
when I take a really introverted child, they coming very
verdict and then once they learn how to jump for
that first and second time, Oh you can't shut them up,
they become an extroverted person off the bed like they're
now spokes persons.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
For the team.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
They're now going out and on commercials and talking about
whatever you know that I have to give them. They're
in the lines and being straight leaders. They came in like, Oh,
I can't do this, and very timid too. This is
who I am, this is my personality, and I love that.
The confidence building is everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
It's priceless.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Just talking about the the y m c A.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
When I when I hear you say that, and then
listening to how you talk about pretty much what you're
doing is mentoring and you know, taking time out to
really invest in these these young girls. That's what we
need in our community. That's and they've taken a lot
of those. Like you said, you have to find different

(01:01:54):
ways to get funding. You can't even just naturally just
get funding under you know, things for children in our communities,
you know, and a lot of a lot of communities
have closed down wise centers. They closed down the community
centers that where we used to go to, you know,
to have a sports like I remember I used to
They used to have a program program down the block

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for my building called the Mosaic that we used to
go to and that's where I played basketball all time
and stay down in trouble, you know, and just listening
to you, these things are what we need back in
our communities. We're talking about how the communities are struggling,
and were talking about the violence, were talking about all
of the negativity. If you're taking the positivity out of
our communities, if you're not investing in the positivity in

(01:02:36):
our community, what else can we get but negativity.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
It's so sad just to go back and answer your
question to because we start at the age of five,
we now have this category what it's called the next
generation where they can compete, but they're not they don't
have full teams, so the coaches can turn for them.
So now we're starting them from as young as five
and then they officially start competing at third grade. But yeah,

(01:03:01):
speaking of I mean, the saddest part, guys, is my
biggest obstacle is practice space. Ironically, they don't have anywhere
to practice because they can't jump. When you on this level,
you can't jump on ground concrete. Everybody think, oh, they
could just go outside jump double duck. No, that street jumping.
When you're doing it on a sports level, they need

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like a basketball court.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
They need, I mean just some type of indoor ground.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
And that's the hardest part every coach to play about
practice spaces.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
And I'm like, wow, where are you located? Where are
you located?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I'm located in New Jersey. So I served as the
kids all up and down New Jersey.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
I started in Norton, Jersey, where I'm from, but I'm
now expanded to Hudson County, Union County, Burlington County, which
is all up and down in Jersey, north and south.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
But I have.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Teams under the league in fourteen different states. So we're
in New York, We're in Chicago, were in Philadelphia, We're
in that You've out with DC when almost all of
the cities except for the West.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Cools, I'm coming. I'm coming with Pools. I'm coming, promise you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I saw that you also have a program like you
started to expand towards health I guess for like actual
physical health.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
So what do you see.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
As the sort of benefits of jumping?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Do you feel like that is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Actually I mean, I would think so, because obviously they
tell you to jump rope and working out, Well, what
does it look like to be trained. Are you just
jumping rope or are you doing a bunch of other
strength training and things that help you with your like
actual physical health.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Absolutely well, they say jump rope is the best exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
First of all, jump rope off the back is the
best exercise.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
But before we start developing routines and start teaching them technique,
we definitely involve a lot of conditioning. We'll do a
lot of endurance like running and different obstacles turning drills
that we teach them to build your endurance because one
of the hardest elements of a competition is speed, and
you have to jump for two minute straight, two minutes

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and five seconds straight. There's no way in the world
you can get through two minutes and five seconds a jumping.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Speed and turning speed if you don't have the endurance.
So we do a lot of cardio, we do a
lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Muscle building, and then we get to the little teams
and you know, teaching them the different elements of double
Dutch competition.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Well, I said girls, But are they guys in the program?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Absolutely, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
We have boys and in double US in the double
Usch world, it's only up north that the parents kind
of hesitant about allowing their boys to jump. But when
you go down south, almost half the team of boys.
And if you go out the country, nearly the whole
team and I say team one organization, it's all boys.

(01:05:58):
Then you see a few girls. It's only up here
where it's like a girl thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
To us, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
But that's my mission, you know, to empower youth with
more and so a focused on girls.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So double that's She's a perfect brant. Your element?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
So what are your needs?

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
What can people do right now to help you? Can
they donate? Are you a five and one C three?
Do you have an element?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
How can people help you to keep our kids active?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Because I think what you're doing is innovative? Right, maybe
it's not, maybe I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Now it's innovative.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
It's definitely innovative. There are some folks out there that's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Doing double Dutch. You know, all the coaches, but there's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
Definitely not dealing with the double lute cleaning. It's involved
with the mental health and the nutrition. And yes, the
National Association for Double Dutch Orgs, which is short NATO,
is short for that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
We are five and one C three for one.

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
We need a headquarters and that's what we're looking for,
looking for a building, looking for a sponsor where when
teams come in this is the double Dutch, or when
coaches need training it can actually come to the Double
Dutch headquarters to get training from some of my master
level trainers or myself. And then teams who need practice
space in the area, they can just you know, sign
up for a session, come practice here. We also need obviously,

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everything takes capital, right because we have to put on production,
full live competitions. Y'all got to come to our competitions.
We just did a huge Black history competition at the
Disciple Museum in Chicago, sold out event. But those things
cost money. It costs a lot of money. So I
think my full time job is fun raising. That's my

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full time job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
And then I have teams obviously who can't afford to
get there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Like this past championship, I have five organizations who couldn't
make it because they couldn't afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
And it gets very costly.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Like the sport itself to participate as a jumper isn't
that expensive in comparison to other sports like cheerleading, But
when it comes to getting them team to competitions, that's
where it gets a little rough. For coaches, they need
buses or airfare or then perth you have to pay registration, uniforms,
and it gets crazy because some of the parents just

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they want their kids to be involved with the can't afford.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
So yes, we do take donations.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
We're all looking for tighter sponsors and we're just looking
for a some more partners this year because we're going
to the next level. Now before it was like leading
up to this, Now we're here. So I'm like, all right,
who's missing? I have to build a core team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
But he's baby, and I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
make sure they all get a fair shot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
We know we can see that missus Kayla is going
to build it. And you you know you're doing God's work,
as my song would say, working with our youth, giving
them any avenue to better themselves, to have outlets to
have places to do and things that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
That and people that's invested.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Right, there's just so many of our young people lack
investment from the people around them for many different reasons.
You got so many families that need other extensions of
themselves because the rat race is going so fast, and so,
you know, it seems to me like a lot of

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people who follow us and they're always like, I don't
know what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I can do. I don't know what I could do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And certainly we don't necessarily do this type of work,
but we understand that there's a connection, right, Like we're
fighting for justice in the street, and we want to
also help to you know, get our young people off
the streets out of troubles killing each other. And then
we need programs and people like you who are willing
to do the work to keep our kids busy and safe.

(01:09:43):
So I really really appreciate it, and I had.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
No clue that w thing.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
I'm like, oh, okay, listen, it's a whole big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
You could be a coach, you could be a judge.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
I can put you somewhere if you just want to invest,
I can put the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Money and you'll see where it goes. You will see
where it goes a sad thing, and I'm gonna leave
it here. Double Dutch be going on. Like I said,
since I was eight.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
I've been competing literally since I was eight, and we
started competitive double Dutch. And when I say we, an
African American police officer in New York City started competitive
double Dutch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
But then we've just dropped the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
No one's invested in it to keep it going because
we just look at it as this double Dutch thing.
So the other communities picked it up and they they
saw a vision, they saw opportunity in it, and they
saw value in what we started. And now we're like, hey,
can we sit at the table. It's a good thing
that I you know started, you know, sign this partnership

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last week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
But we should have been a mind like hey, you
want to get involved.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
But it's us, you know, looking at the partnerships because
we didn't invest in it now. But it's not too late,
like you can invest in it now. We're at the table.
I sit on the board now for the Olympic Committee,
and let's just fix it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I want to just commend you and say that we
appreciate you because you know, it's a lot of people
meaning to me to go through this all the time,
it's always people talking about what somebody else should be
doing or why you not doing that and why you're
not doing that and the fact that you've seen there
was a void and you realize that our people have
dropped the ball, and you're trying to fill in that gap,

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you know, and you and you're making necessary strides and
you're growing and evolving and you're taking this sport by
the horns and you're doing the work necessary. It's something
I want to commend because I'm so tired of everybody saying, well, why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Y'all, I ain't do this? And why do and nah,
why you ain't doing it?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
If you know it's wrong, Like if you know something
ain't there, why you ain't filling in the gaps?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
You see something, then do what you thinks need to
be done. And that's what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
So I just want to say, we definitely commend you
and appreciate you. We want to do everything that we
can utilize our platform to help you. You know, so
let everybody know where they can find you, you know,
either to donate or if they have you know, jumpers
who want to be involved with.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
You do so you can absolutely find up on social
media n A d d O dot Double Dutch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You can email us at info at NA d d.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
O dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
That's in a d d O dot org.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
Info at NA d d O dot org. And obviously
our website is in a d d O dot org.
Someone as you constructed it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It's up, but we can you know, make it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
We go to the next level so we can get it,
make it a little polished, but.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You can still hit them donate button there. You can
always email for more information.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
You can follow us on social media and you can
subscribe so that you you know, can come out to
next competitions. Our next one will be our Winter Bowl
in December and we'll put more information.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Out out of you or different all of our platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Well, thank you so much for joining us an edge
of McKay and us today on this industry that we
didn't really know was as big as it is. And
thank you supposed to be your work with miss Layla
Little almost Sway.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Who is the Double Dutch Queen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
So let's put some respect on her name, and thank
you so much for the for the for the sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
I'm sure that our youth are good. You know you're
a queen and we appreciate you, sins.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Thank you for having me. Wow, I was going away
like what lady, Hey, let's do it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
That's what you doing.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
A fight until you're fighting a fight. Everybody's needed.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Dope interview, man. We learned so much about double Dutch.
Like when she said that they're mainly boys doing double
I really didn't do that, but I realized, like I
said during the interview, after she said that about boys
being the main people that are in she she didn't
say double, just she said jump rope.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Jumping right right, right, right right, So she was saying
that they are mainly males, and I realized that as
a brother, you know, I used to play all My
sister had me turn in or it was just turn
up friend.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
She taught me how to turn I even tried to jump.
So I realized that a lot of us by osmosis.
If you have a sister, you learn how to jump,
and some people actually do it. So it was dope interview. Man,
I'm definitely gonna look out for the sport. I want
to see, you know, us creatives we do because I've
been watching double dutch for years, Like I used to

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be in the parking, double dutch.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Is a thing, you know. And they had the little
they didn't have the regular rope.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
They had the wire rope, the little ship that that
and if you that shit hit you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
You know that thing when they be.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Turning then they start turning double orange.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
And they do, oh yeah, a long, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
There your ass to shreds. Trust me, So definitely we're
gonna look out for that man. So that just brings
me to my I don't get it. You know, Like
I said earlier in the show, you know, we were
talking about Carly and we were talking about how, you know,

(01:15:30):
there's this thing online now that she's found.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Was it a scam?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Was it this?

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
We was also talking about Whole and we were talking
about the negative comments, and I'm just I really don't
get what it is about our people that we don't
give our people any level of grace that we wanted.
We wanted to find the smallest thing to diminish them,
to take credibility from them, any little small thing a

(01:15:56):
person could have been im We've done everything right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
And then they said, yo, he was smoking weed.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Oh look I told you he ain't really that he's
a scam up. He's so he did this every day,
will do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Jay Z.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
He's a devil worship but he's this and that, a
regular dude that came from Massie projects, found this way
out the projects. You know, he figured out to be
a businessman. And every time if I post that on
jay Z on my page, the amount of hate that
I get Black people is just unbelievable to me. And
it's just like, why why do we overlook all of

(01:16:36):
the positive in us, you know, to focus on whatever
we think is negative? Just like Jay said, Jay and
he in the Romney said, he said, you know everybody
was critical or title.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
You know, y'all ain't say nothing about Spotify.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
Y'all ain't saying nothing about you too, y'all don't y'all
never asked none of these questions, who getting the money,
where is coming from?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
But every time it's one of us doing something that
it's positive, you know, it's always this this undertoned theory
of something wrong. It's always we always have a conspiracy
theory that everything that black people do that are successful,
that there's some negativity involved, that they're not really the

(01:17:17):
person they are there's a scam, there's this, this person
is this, and we feed into that shit and I
just don't get. I don't get how we, you know,
how we continue to do that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
It's just it becomes annoying.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
It doesn't become annoying for me as much, no more,
because I don't even But when I'm watching people do
great things, you know, I'm always I'm always wanting and
wants to congratulate somebody that's doing something positive, even if
it's not something that I would do. You know, there's
certain artists that, oh, you don't talk about this artist
and that this is kids, you know, and I know

(01:17:53):
these kids are gonna grow. I understand the music is
a lot of it is it is toxic, a lot
of shit deal with, but it's a lot of trauma
that comes with it. So they'll shoot it. And I'm like, no,
we got to get the baby's opportunity to grow grown
people that already know it's a different thing. But we
don't have any level of grace for hours, man. And
it's just I really just don't get how we got

(01:18:15):
that way. It's they will shoot you down the minute
a negative word comes out about you. People want to say,
I knew it. They want to grab on to that shit,
and they want to hold on to that shit to
destroy whatever it is that you've done your whole career,
your whole life. They will grab onto one small negative
thing and try to make that who you are and

(01:18:38):
what you are, even if it's not even true. They
will attack some negative shit to somebody positive that's black,
and make that shit stick to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
The wall like glue. Man, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
How we do that to us.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
I just don't know why, Like this lady, that lady
ain't like I said, The lady ain't said a word yet,
and everybody's always a scam.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
I knew it. It didn't seem.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Right that why are we looking?

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Why are we creating scenarios about negativity, about some shit
that we don't even know about, but we only do
that shit with us.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Well, I think it's important to have this conversation. And
I don't have much to add because I think it's
important for you to bring it up so that some
people who have that negative like negativity is a thing
that black folks, some of us have, and it's really
bad and it's not just.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
It's even in our own families.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Everything is negative if you everything is just negative for
some people, not all people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
So a lot of people are here that are super positive,
but there's some people who are not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
But we just finished talking about the difference between enslavement
and slavery, and in being enslaved has created these this ideology,
this mindset that we still have not broken away from
some of the things that we carry with us from
from you know, from a time when we were robs

(01:20:06):
of our history and our culture and that loving, positive
energy that many of our ancestors shared towards one another.
It doesn't mean there wasn't tribal war, there wasn't beef,
there wasn't all of that, but there still was and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Each one teach one a building that we did together.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
And you know why we know it because when you
go to Africa and especially Egypt, you see it. You
know that there is no way that they built pyramids
and one of the seven Wonders of the world, everything
that is there, the temples and all of that, unless
there was some collective work. And that's why those principles,

(01:20:46):
those quans of principles are so important because it helped
you to drill down on working with one another, supporting
one another, loving one another, acknowledging one another, encouraging one another.
And that's the type of conversation that we have to
constantly have. And I know you know, Mark Lamont Hill

(01:21:06):
and others have continuously reminded us that the Willie Lynch
letter is not a real document. It was made up
by somebody. But the point is that whoever made it
understood us and our challenges. And they wrote that letter
as if it were as if it were the slave
master himself writing a letter to all the other enslavers

(01:21:31):
to tell them what to do, to make us have
issues between light skin and dark skin, and house neck grows,
and to make us not trust one another and to
be leary of one another. I mean that letter, whether
it was written by an enslaver or not, it still

(01:21:52):
was written by someone who understood the power of enslavement
and the power of creating division between a group of
people who did not originally come from that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
And so with that being said, everything about us and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
All all the things. And I have a long argument
with a young person at the boxing gym recently. Everything
about us, nothing we are doing today is new. Everything
about us has roots somewhere and when you find your roots,
you find yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
That's how we're going to end this show. Shout out
to Laylor on the Sideway for the dope interview. Shout
out to all of our fans. Keep supporting us. Go
to Street Politicians Pod at Street Politicians Pod on Instagram,
give us your thoughts, give us some titles, some ideas,
tell us someone you love us, keep us to be

(01:22:45):
the number one podcast in the world that's right speaking
into existence. And Tamika D. Mallory is not gonna always
be wrong. I'm not gonna always be right with always
and I mean always be authentic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Listen to Street Politicians on the Black Effect Network on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
And catch us every single Wednesday for the video version
of Street Politicians on iwomen dot Tv.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
That's how

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