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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and
analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, September tenth, twenty
twenty five. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton. I am co
editor in chief of Variety alongside Ramin Setuda. I'm in
LA He's in New York, and Variety has reporters around
the world covering the business of entertainment. In today's episode,
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we'll have our cover story segment with TV editor Michael
Schneider discussing the quality time that he spent with one
Kathy Bates. She's the cover star of our annual pre
Emmy Awards issue. And we'll also hear from Emily longeretta
senior TV features editor, on how she puts together our
annual TV Producer's Impact List. But before we get to that,
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conversations with Variety journalists about news and friends and show business.
In today's cover story segment, Michael Schneider tells all about
his time with the awesome and Emmy nominated star Kathy Bates.
Before we talked to Mike. Let's hear a clip from
Bates talking about how she came to star in the
CBS drama Matt Locke that earned her this Emmy nomination.
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This comes from Varieties Actors on Actress series that ran
in June. Bates is conversing here with Billy Bob Thornton.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You know, when I first read the script, I thought
this is just episodic, you know, and I'm not interested
in doing that, you know. And then I finally got
to the end and there's this twist where this woman
is actually on a mission to bring some justice for
her daughter. That's when I just said, oh, yeah, I'm in.
I'm in, because I really had one foot out the door.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I just felt that I was getting small roles that
a lot in films that I loved that people were
not seeing, and I just began to ask myself, you know,
is this what I want to keep doing? Do I
want to sell the house and maybe move to France,
you know, and call.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It today, Michael, thank you for taking time out of
your busy Emmy week to talk to us about the
great Kathy Bates.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Always glad to talk about the one and only national
treasure that is Kathy Bates.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The issue that comes out the week before the Emmy Awards.
Always in the last bunch of years has featured a
past Emmy winner, somebody who can reflect on the experience,
what it means to bring home one of those gold statuettes.
Tell us about your experience with the awesomeness of Kathy Bates.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She's one of the great stories of the year when
you look at what a smash Matlock has become and
how Kathy Bates was at the center of it, and
she's just really having the time of her life. It's
infectious talking to her. She looks fantastic, she's got more
energy than she's had in years, and she's just present.
She's got these beautiful blue eyes and she's always looking
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at you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I guess you know how scene partners from many decades
have felt. Tell us about the setting and where you
sat with her. You got to spend some time being
a fly on the wall on the set of Matlock.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I got a chance to go to the Paramount lot
on an afternoon and sit in and watch them shoot
a couple of scenes, and Kathy was there also Jason Ritter,
who is a lovely human being, as well Sky Marshall,
who co stars. It's really a love story the show,
between Sky Marshall's character and Kathy Bates's character. It was
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interesting to see that Kathy Bates is still human. She
was struggling with the line. It was almost a tongue
twister of a line. But it was so sweet to
see Sky Marshall pull her aside and they rehearsed together
to nail it down, and then they got it. But
you know, the shooting was running late, and I was
exhausted by the way I was sitting there for several hours,
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and so I was like, well, is Kathy Bates going
to be up for talking to me at seven o'clock
at night after a long day of shooting. If anything,
I think she was more ready to go than I was.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So the great color that you capture in your cover story,
which publishes today September tenth in print and online. Folks,
please go chase it down. It's such a good read.
But you really just capture she is so invested in
this show. There's none of like I'm going to show up,
You'll shoot my scenes and then everybody else will work
for the rest of the week and shoot around me
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like she is at the center of this show.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
This show means a lot to her, and she's also
developed a great bond with Jenny Snyder Erman, who created
this twist on Matt Locke and really is giving her
some really fun things to do on this show. One
of the important things that we talk about is how
she wanted to make sure that Matt Lock shot here
in Los Angeles, and she made that a priority if
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they were going to cast her, this was going to
shoot not too far from her house. And she was
able to pull that off and the studio was able
to make it work, and that's allowed this cast and
crew to live in Los Angeles, to go home at
night something that And when I talked to Jason Ritter,
he was really grateful for because he and his wife,
Melie Lynskey, they're busy folks. Melanie is shooting in Vancouver
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a chunk of the year, so it's nice that he's
here in Los Angeles with the kids when she's up working.
So it's just such a good vibe on that set.
People seem to really enjoy being there.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
To talk about what this late in life physical transformation
has meant for her. It's really touching and it's one
of those stars they're just like us, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Also telling about the greatness of Kathy Bates is the
number of people that apparently ran to the phone to
talk to you about how great she was. You have
some fantastic secondary interviews people that tell really good anecdotes,
not just platitudes, but really good anecdotes about what makes
her such a good actor.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
There were so many great stories that I couldn't even
get in as much as I wanted to. Is Sam Rockwell,
who really opens up my story because he specifically he
had the through line of calling Kathy Bates say badass,
and I kind of just loved how enthusiastic he was
talking about her. He told this great story of one
time she came over to his house for a dinner party,
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but because she had to loop a movie the next day,
that entire evening she was speaking in an Irish accent.
So the entire dinner party she's in, she's so committed
to the job that she wouldn't break that that accent
because she was going to loop the next day. Just
great stories like that from folks. John Travolta just want
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to step back a little bit about the opportunities that
are out there for older actors that you know, I
think used to be consigned to maybe a guest shot
here and there, but now there are whether it's Gene Smart,
whether it's Ted Danson, whether it's Harrison Ford, like, there
is a real opportunity now for people. What is your
read on what is creating these opportunities. Yeah, I think
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it's a couple of things. The streaming era has allowed
for more opportunity from a volume perspective of more stories
to be told. I think there's also just a level
of nostalgia that's fueling a lot of the content that's
working now. Reboot mania means that naturally, these are going
to be older stars now who return to do some
of these shows because these are familiar faces and sometimes
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familiar franchises. A man on the inside. The show that
you mentioned that to Dance and starred, a good chunk
of that cast was actors of a certain age that
got to return and do some great work, like a
Sally Struthers. Oh and that was and I'm fantastic to
see that show work.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I saw a panel with Michael Sher talking. He just
went on and on about these were such pros. They
hit it, they nailed it first time, second time. I
remember vividly him saying that things just went so fast
because they were such pros and knew what they were doing.
Did you get a sense, Mike from Kathy about anything
else beyond Matt Locke Season two, which has already been renewed.
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Anything big on the horizon for her that we should
watch for.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I think Matt Locke is of her focus right now,
so that's generally what we talked about, but she's i think,
excited to do more now. One of the things that
she talked about was the fact that before Matt Locke
she kind of felt like things were on the down
swing and that maybe it was time to hang it up,
but now she's reinvigorated.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well again, thank you for taking the time and writing
a terrific portrait. Profiles of very well known people are
always a particular challenge because you've got to find that
new way in. Fortunately, Kathy has so much going on,
you had a lot to work.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
With, so it was a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And now here's Emily Longeretta discussing Variety's TV Producer's Impact
Report and what it takes to make the cut. Emily Longretta,
thanks for joining you.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Thank you, Cynthia.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
In addition to covering the Emmy Awards Soup to Nuts
virtually three hundred and sixty five days a year, you
also oversee many other features for A Variety, including in
the September tenth issue published in print and online on
Variety dot Com. Right now is our annual drum Roll
Please TV Producer's Impact List, and that is quite a
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lot for you to sift through and find people that
are really making a difference. Emily, where do you start
in terms of putting this annual list together?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
There are so many talented producers in this business, and
there are so many people that go behind every one
of the shows we watch. One of the things I
really wanted to make sure we were doing this year
with this list is not just highlighting the shows that
are continuously nominated for things. I really wanted to also
highlight some of the producers that maybe aren't talked about
a ton and aren't doing these really prestige shows, but
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are still creating really good storytelling on TV. I started
asking our staff what shows are you guys watching, What
really creative things are you seeing on TV? What things
are we talking about? Of course, I ask for submissions
and I got almost five hundred submissions this year from
teams who want to highlight their producer. I go through
every single one and go through and see what shows
people are really making an impact this year, and that
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is a lot of the show that we'll see at
the Emmys this weekend, but it's also some other shows,
some other shows that maybe blew under the radar for
some Taylor Sheridan is actually a perfect example of this
because while he's not a newcomer by any means, he
doesn't see a lot of awards, glitter or glam. But
he had Lioness Landman nineteen twenty three, Mayor of Kingstone,
all on TV this year. And then there's people like
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Ben Watkins who created Cross on Prime Video and got
forty million viewers and got an immediate season two pick up.
And he shows that again not big award hitters, but
are getting a lot of views. And I think that
that's important to highlight.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Those America watches a lot of television. I love that
you're looking for that. We do do a lot of
lists at vright, but we take them seriously. We have criteria,
We look across the landscape and every year, undoubtedly some
folks are going to be disappointed. There is a finite
number that you can put on what were some of
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the things that were really import for you in terms
of making the cut this year.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So this year we decided to focus on shows that
came out during the Emmy window. It's during that window
of May thirty, twenty twenty four to June first, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You will go to your grave knowing those dates.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
One of the big things. There's also producers who shepherd
young writers and young producers under their teams. That's more
important than ever. We see that all the time TV's
changing all the time. Shepherding new writers and producers into
the group is a really big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Is there anything that you've gathered doing this over the years.
Are there any common threads to the super producers out there.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think it's that every year they're taking a risk.
It really comes down to that. I mean, I see
with Dick Wolf Wolf Productions launched a streaming drama for
the first time this year. You look at Ryan Murphy
obviously taking on so many different things, but also he
came out with Monsters, had such an impact on the
Menenda's real life. So things like that that are making
such an impact in a different way.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Being here in southern California, it's literally been for a
year every night on the news since the show came out,
and the impact of storytelling to change people's minds or
at least open their minds to maybe there is a
reinterpretation of this.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Dan Foelman and Sterling k Brown are another two. Obviously,
Sterling is best known for acting, but he is an
executive producer in Paradise and the two of them have
become huge spokespeople for filming in LA And when I'm
moderated at Televerse recently, they both kind of went off
tangents about the importance and how they can bring filming
back to LA and they're making it their mission to
do this, and it's things like that once again impact
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that has on so many people here.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, Emily, you can't know this because you weren't eavesdropping
on my conversation with Michael Schneider, but we were just
talking about that Kathy Bates using her incredible clout on
Matt Locke to say, this will shoot in LA and
the ripple effect for all the folks that work on
that show is really significant. I mean, before I let
you go, I want to ask you two things. First
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of all, one or two things that you're really curious about.
For the Emmys on Sunday Night, the Big Show. Finally
on September fourteenth, live on CBS, what are you going
to be watching for.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I cannot wait. I am going to be watching for
all things The Pit. I think that The Pit is
the show to watch this year. I know San France
is one people are really thinking it's going to be
competing with. I think No Wiley is the one to watch.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, my last last question for you is Emily, you
have a regular slot where you talk about television and
entertainment and pop culture on ke CAL, Los Angeles, the
great all news station. Emily, tell us what time we
should look for that and tell us what are the
kind of things that you like to cover.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well. I go on a rite around nine forty five
Pacific time every Wednesday on k CAL News. I talk
a lot about TV. I talk about the top stories,
like you said, in pop culture, the top things on TV.
Sometimes we touch on music. It's really just whatever's the
buzziest stories in entertainment. So every Wednesday around nine forty
five in the morning on KEIKEL.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
If you want to get something done, give it to
a busy person, give it to Emily Longaretta. Thank you
so much, Emily. I can't wait to see what all
goes down on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
We'll see you there.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
As we close out today's episode, here's a few things
we're watching for Varieties back on the festival beat. Next week,
we'll have reporters on the ground producing digital dailies at
the Finnish Film Fair in Helsinki, at the San Sebastian
Festival in Spain, and at the Busson International Film Festival
in South Korea. Before we go, Congrats to Tony Kornheiser
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and Michael Wilbon, the longtime hosts of ESPN's Pardon the Interruption,
have aked new deals to remain at the helm of
the show for at least a few more years. That's
good news for US fans. Thanks for listening. This episode
was written and reported by me Cynthia Littleton, with contributions
from Michael Schneider and Emily Longerretta. It was edited by
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Aaron Greenwald. Stick's next hick Picks. Please leave us a
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Speaker 2 (16:00):
The most