July 2, 2025 • 13 mins
On a bonus episode of Variety's Strictly Business podcast, Variety reporter Ethan Shanfeld describes the scene and the reaction after Sean Combs was acquitted on the most serious charges in his federal sex trafficking, racketeering and prostitution case that has made headlines for the past two months.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a bonus episode of Variety's Strictly Business podcast.
I'm Cynthia Lyttleton, co editor in chief of Variety. This morning,
July second brought news of the verdict in Shawn Colmbs's
federal trial in New York on sex trafficking, racketeering, and
prostitution charges. Combs was acquitted of the most serious racketeering
(00:21):
and sex trafficking charges. He was convicted on two counts
of transportation for prostitution. Variety reporter Ethan Shanfeld has covered
the trial from the start. He joins me here to
discuss the trial and the circus atmosphere in and around
the court house after the verdict was read. It was
complete with Comb's supporters pouring baby oil on one another
(00:44):
in celebration. Here's my conversation with Ethan Ethan Shanfeld. You
are a TV reporter for us by day, but you
have for these last two months you have been our
man and Federal court in Lower Manhattan at the Diddy trial.
You have been rising early and really having some long
days of late. We do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Take us back eighthn to Monday.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You were in the court.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You were in the overflow room because there's a lot
of pressure to get those seats in court. What did
you observe the as it all started to really come
down and you knew that they were about to read
these verdicts.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So Monday, the judge began the day by reading the
jury with the instructions, which was a pretty long two
three hour process, going in detail, instructing them how to
interpret the charges, how they should sort of get in
the room and deliberate with each other.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Emphasizing the duty to deliberate.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The judge focused on, you know, you should consider all
the evidence, and you should have an open mind. You
should be willing to change your mind when you're met
with good arguments. But he also told the jurors not
to surrender their beliefs just for the purpose of reaching
a unanimous verdict. And then the jury ended up deliberating
for a thirteen hours across two days, and at the
(02:04):
end of Tuesday, they came in with a note for
the judge and they said that they had reached a
verdict on four of the five counts, and the judge
instructed them to continue deliberating.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know, they really he re emphasized the part of
the jury instructions where he said, you know, keep an
open mind, you can change your mind, consider the evidence.
And then that brought us to today when they got
back in the room, and I think to many people's surprise,
after about an hour of additional deliberations, they said that
they had reached a verdict on all counts.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Before you go into more, I want to ask you
one thing. On Monday, when they were going through that
long recitation of the instructions, what could you observe from
the body language? Were the jurors paying attention? Were their
eyes wandering?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
The jury has seemed to take this whole process incredibly seriously.
I will say that they seemed very intent on listening
to the judge's instructions. Sean Conbes's lawyer, Mark Agnifilo praised
the jury at the end of Tuesday when they had
brought back the partial verdict. He said that the court
should not need to provide the jury with any additional
(03:14):
instructions because they've been an incredibly efficient jury so far
and that they've been paying attention. There was also a
previous juror issue a few weeks ago where one of
the juris was dismissed, and one of the things that
the attorneys were talking about was how this jury really
has paid close attention, It has taken their duty pretty seriously.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so you were surprised that they came back after
just about an hour.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, I think that when they had said they reached
a partial verdict, they came back in and in a
note described to the judge that there were jurors on
both sides with quote, unpersuadable opinions on.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Either side, and this is really into the racketeering charge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And so I think a lot of people expected that
these deliberations would take much longer because of these unpersuadable opinions.
You know, the judge was even talking about holding them
on Thursday, which otherwise would be a court holiday for
July third, and you know, even Monday was mentioned as
a day where they would come back and deliberate. So
(04:16):
I think the fact that they were done this morning
caught everybody by surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So once everybody knows that the verdict is about to come,
what was the ritual that you observed in terms of
before the actual the envelope was opened, as it were.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, everybody stands up as the jury files in. It's
quite a slow process as they come in one by
one and sit down and then everybody sits. Sean Combs
was watching the jury pretty focused on them, and when
the judge read the note saying that they had come
to a partial verdict, nobody in the room knew what
(04:51):
the partial verdict was, so it seemed like Diddy and
his team tensed up and got pretty nervous. There was
about a thirty minute waiting period in between when the
judge got the note and then when he brought the
jury back in, and during that time I observed did
He tapping his fingers, crossing his legs, whispering to his attorneys.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It seemed like they had taken the partial verdict.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
As not a good sign for him, which ultimately we
learned today ended up being a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Outcome for him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What was did he wearing?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He was wearing a cream colored sweater. I believe every
day of the trial he's come in with a sweater
and a white collared shirt underneath. I believe he has
a rotation of five different sweaters, and a few of
them are lighter in color, like cream or oatmeal or
gray and then he has one that's more brown or maroon,
(05:46):
and I believe he has.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
A black one as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Wow, in a different era, that would have been a
sales opportunity for him. So and then what did you observe?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
There were some gasps after the first the first.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Verdict was not guilty on the racketeering charge, which was
count one, There were gasps. Did he ended up sort
of like pumping his fist in the air. After they
were all read, people in the overflow rooms were cheering
and breaking out into applause, which was not entirely surprising
because during closing arguments, you know, the prosecution's five hour
(06:22):
argument landed with sort of a silence in the overflow room.
And then when Ditty's attorney, Mark Agnifolo finished his argument,
there were people stood up, people cheered, people yelled. The
public section of the courthouse seems to be very pro Ditty.
And you know, then the rest of the people there
(06:43):
are really mostly journalists and then some people who just
work in the US Attorney's office that come by to
watch here and there.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Did that coalescing of the pro Diddy camp? Did that
surprise you? Did that grow? Over time?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It did seem to grow over time. It seems like
things reached a climax this week.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know, after the verdict was read, people were literally
squirting baby oil on each other and cheering. They were
chanting freedom, They were chanting you know, the saying from
the OJ trial, which is, you know, if the glove
does not fit, you must have quit. Even though that
doesn't really have any bearing on this trial, you know
did the's family was coming out, coming in and out
(07:27):
of the van, and people were congratulating the kids.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I was in the cafeteria where his kids and his
mother were.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And a lot of the people, including journalists, were going
up to them and saying congratulations. It's I don't know
how surprising it is, but it certainly seemed to reach
a culmination these past few days.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It truly does sound like a circus atmosphere. And I
just want to be clear. People had, like the bottles
of baby oil, not in the courtroom, You're.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Talking about outside outside. Yes, I knew.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yesterday I talked to a woman who is a content
creator and is outside the courthouse every day filming herself.
She had brought twenty five bottles of baby oil and
had told me that they were going to basically pop
them like champagne.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
After the verdict was read and then lo and behold.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Today there were people squirting it on each other, there
were people dancing without their shirts on people in underwear,
and then there's just police that are trying to keep
everything in order. But it has been definitely a circus,
is the way I would describe it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sticking with the pro Diddy camp, would you say the
sentiment was that he was over zealously charged. Were people
saying let the man have his lifestyle despite the obvious
evidence of violence.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think there's probably a variety of opinions there.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think there are people who think he's completely innocent
and who would not accept any of the evidence that
the prosecution showed over you know, six or seven weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think there are people who believe that he committed.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Acts of violence, took a lot of drugs, had a
sort of toxic relationship with some of these women, but
that he was not guilty of sex trafficking or racketeering,
that those charges that the government brought against him were
maybe a little too high. You know, one guy yesterday
was handing out t shirts that said a freako is
(09:30):
not a rico In reference to the racketeering charge, and
I think that sort of speaks to the mindset that
a lot of these people have, which is like Diddy
had a lot of sexual fetishes.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He lived a wild life behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
But you know, as his attorney said, he's not the
leader of a criminal enterprise and he was not a
sex trafficker. That these women, you know, voluntarily played into
this lifestyle because they loved him and they wanted to
be with him.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's been such an extraordinary look behind the scenes at
people with money and power and means and the power
of celebrity. What did you learn about the process. What
stood out to you about getting this very very strong
look at the legal system in process.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think one thing that I was a little surprised
by was how friendly everybody was. I mean, especially among
the journalists. I kind of went in thinking, you know,
we'd be elbowing each other out of the way, diving
into elevators to get outside first, you know, that sort
of thing. But really, everybody was so helpful to each other.
(10:40):
So you know, if somebody, you know, missed a quote
that the judge said, like people were happy to sort
of share their notebooks or this is what he said.
People shared information with each other pretty willingly, you know,
even the sort of more extreme pro diddy people who were.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Just there to watch.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know, if you get in conversations with them, I
might not agree with them on everything, but they have
an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Most of them were good people.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, all the court martials who you know,
might have sort of hazed me now and then when
going through security.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Four or five times a day to keep reaching my editors.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You know, they we always greeted each other good morning.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, they're pretty jovial and also helpful.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I think, you know, the whole experience of covering
this trial over the last two months has been, you know,
pretty fun in some aspects.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You meet a lot of people, You get close to people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You're sitting in a room for eight hours a day
with no technology, so you know, you really have to
in those periods where nothing is happening, You're getting to
know people.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That alone in your lifetime has got to be a
very unique experience. Being hours and hours away from your
phone and laptop. That must have really sharpened your listening
and your reporting skills.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Certainly, we kept saying it felt like school, like.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Everybody had their pens and their notebooks, and you know
everybody's listening pretty closely. It definitely helped my speed at
transcribing by hand, which is something that you know, I
don't get a lot of practice doing in my day
to day job.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Very good old school skills that will serve you well
in a power outage and other issues. Well, Ethan, thank you.
I love hearing about the camaraderie, even even in tough
situations and very very serious charges. I love hearing about
the camaraderie of journalism because the other big story of
the past twenty four hours, President Trump and CBS settling
(12:34):
the very specious lawsuit, has been a very dark day
for journalism. But you're reminding me that it goes on
and the job of bearing witness and chronicling is really
really important, and you've done an incredible job. Now, with
all that said, let's end on a lighter note, because
everything is eventually turned into a limited true crime, real
(12:55):
life story. Who would you cast as the lead defense
attorney and who would you cast for the lead prosecution attorney?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, I suppose it depends on how big the budget
of this project is.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If it's an HBO, mini series. I'm going to pull
out some big.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Names fooking like a variety reporter.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think maybe Amy Adams could play the lead prosecutor,
Maureen Comy, and I think for Diddy's lead council Mark Agnifilo,
I think Mark Ruffalo. They have very similar names, and
I do think he could pull that off.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ethan, again, thank you so much for taking the time
on a busy day that is not over for you.
Deeply appreciated. Thanks so much, Cynthia, thanks for listening. Please
leave us a review at the podcast platform of your choice,
and don't forget to tune in next week for another
episode of Strictly Business.
Welcome to a bonus episode of Variety's Strictly Business podcast.
I'm Cynthia Lyttleton, co editor in chief of Variety. This morning,
July second brought news of the verdict in Shawn Colmbs's
federal trial in New York on sex trafficking, racketeering, and
prostitution charges. Combs was acquitted of the most serious racketeering
(00:21):
and sex trafficking charges. He was convicted on two counts
of transportation for prostitution. Variety reporter Ethan Shanfeld has covered
the trial from the start. He joins me here to
discuss the trial and the circus atmosphere in and around
the court house after the verdict was read. It was
complete with Comb's supporters pouring baby oil on one another
(00:44):
in celebration. Here's my conversation with Ethan Ethan Shanfeld. You
are a TV reporter for us by day, but you
have for these last two months you have been our
man and Federal court in Lower Manhattan at the Diddy trial.
You have been rising early and really having some long
days of late. We do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Take us back eighthn to Monday.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You were in the court.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You were in the overflow room because there's a lot
of pressure to get those seats in court. What did
you observe the as it all started to really come
down and you knew that they were about to read
these verdicts.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So Monday, the judge began the day by reading the
jury with the instructions, which was a pretty long two
three hour process, going in detail, instructing them how to
interpret the charges, how they should sort of get in
the room and deliberate with each other.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Emphasizing the duty to deliberate.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The judge focused on, you know, you should consider all
the evidence, and you should have an open mind. You
should be willing to change your mind when you're met
with good arguments. But he also told the jurors not
to surrender their beliefs just for the purpose of reaching
a unanimous verdict. And then the jury ended up deliberating
for a thirteen hours across two days, and at the
(02:04):
end of Tuesday, they came in with a note for
the judge and they said that they had reached a
verdict on four of the five counts, and the judge
instructed them to continue deliberating.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know, they really he re emphasized the part of
the jury instructions where he said, you know, keep an
open mind, you can change your mind, consider the evidence.
And then that brought us to today when they got
back in the room, and I think to many people's surprise,
after about an hour of additional deliberations, they said that
they had reached a verdict on all counts.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Before you go into more, I want to ask you
one thing. On Monday, when they were going through that
long recitation of the instructions, what could you observe from
the body language? Were the jurors paying attention? Were their
eyes wandering?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
The jury has seemed to take this whole process incredibly seriously.
I will say that they seemed very intent on listening
to the judge's instructions. Sean Conbes's lawyer, Mark Agnifilo praised
the jury at the end of Tuesday when they had
brought back the partial verdict. He said that the court
should not need to provide the jury with any additional
(03:14):
instructions because they've been an incredibly efficient jury so far
and that they've been paying attention. There was also a
previous juror issue a few weeks ago where one of
the juris was dismissed, and one of the things that
the attorneys were talking about was how this jury really
has paid close attention, It has taken their duty pretty seriously.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so you were surprised that they came back after
just about an hour.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, I think that when they had said they reached
a partial verdict, they came back in and in a
note described to the judge that there were jurors on
both sides with quote, unpersuadable opinions on.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Either side, and this is really into the racketeering charge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And so I think a lot of people expected that
these deliberations would take much longer because of these unpersuadable opinions.
You know, the judge was even talking about holding them
on Thursday, which otherwise would be a court holiday for
July third, and you know, even Monday was mentioned as
a day where they would come back and deliberate. So
(04:16):
I think the fact that they were done this morning
caught everybody by surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So once everybody knows that the verdict is about to come,
what was the ritual that you observed in terms of
before the actual the envelope was opened, as it were.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, everybody stands up as the jury files in. It's
quite a slow process as they come in one by
one and sit down and then everybody sits. Sean Combs
was watching the jury pretty focused on them, and when
the judge read the note saying that they had come
to a partial verdict, nobody in the room knew what
(04:51):
the partial verdict was, so it seemed like Diddy and
his team tensed up and got pretty nervous. There was
about a thirty minute waiting period in between when the
judge got the note and then when he brought the
jury back in, and during that time I observed did
He tapping his fingers, crossing his legs, whispering to his attorneys.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It seemed like they had taken the partial verdict.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
As not a good sign for him, which ultimately we
learned today ended up being a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Outcome for him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What was did he wearing?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He was wearing a cream colored sweater. I believe every
day of the trial he's come in with a sweater
and a white collared shirt underneath. I believe he has
a rotation of five different sweaters, and a few of
them are lighter in color, like cream or oatmeal or
gray and then he has one that's more brown or maroon,
(05:46):
and I believe he has.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
A black one as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Wow, in a different era, that would have been a
sales opportunity for him. So and then what did you observe?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
There were some gasps after the first the first.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Verdict was not guilty on the racketeering charge, which was
count one, There were gasps. Did he ended up sort
of like pumping his fist in the air. After they
were all read, people in the overflow rooms were cheering
and breaking out into applause, which was not entirely surprising
because during closing arguments, you know, the prosecution's five hour
(06:22):
argument landed with sort of a silence in the overflow room.
And then when Ditty's attorney, Mark Agnifolo finished his argument,
there were people stood up, people cheered, people yelled. The
public section of the courthouse seems to be very pro Ditty.
And you know, then the rest of the people there
(06:43):
are really mostly journalists and then some people who just
work in the US Attorney's office that come by to
watch here and there.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Did that coalescing of the pro Diddy camp? Did that
surprise you? Did that grow? Over time?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It did seem to grow over time. It seems like
things reached a climax this week.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know, after the verdict was read, people were literally
squirting baby oil on each other and cheering. They were
chanting freedom, They were chanting you know, the saying from
the OJ trial, which is, you know, if the glove
does not fit, you must have quit. Even though that
doesn't really have any bearing on this trial, you know
did the's family was coming out, coming in and out
(07:27):
of the van, and people were congratulating the kids.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I was in the cafeteria where his kids and his
mother were.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And a lot of the people, including journalists, were going
up to them and saying congratulations. It's I don't know
how surprising it is, but it certainly seemed to reach
a culmination these past few days.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It truly does sound like a circus atmosphere. And I
just want to be clear. People had, like the bottles
of baby oil, not in the courtroom, You're.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Talking about outside outside. Yes, I knew.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yesterday I talked to a woman who is a content
creator and is outside the courthouse every day filming herself.
She had brought twenty five bottles of baby oil and
had told me that they were going to basically pop
them like champagne.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
After the verdict was read and then lo and behold.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Today there were people squirting it on each other, there
were people dancing without their shirts on people in underwear,
and then there's just police that are trying to keep
everything in order. But it has been definitely a circus,
is the way I would describe it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sticking with the pro Diddy camp, would you say the
sentiment was that he was over zealously charged. Were people
saying let the man have his lifestyle despite the obvious
evidence of violence.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think there's probably a variety of opinions there.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think there are people who think he's completely innocent
and who would not accept any of the evidence that
the prosecution showed over you know, six or seven weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think there are people who believe that he committed.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Acts of violence, took a lot of drugs, had a
sort of toxic relationship with some of these women, but
that he was not guilty of sex trafficking or racketeering,
that those charges that the government brought against him were
maybe a little too high. You know, one guy yesterday
was handing out t shirts that said a freako is
(09:30):
not a rico In reference to the racketeering charge, and
I think that sort of speaks to the mindset that
a lot of these people have, which is like Diddy
had a lot of sexual fetishes.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He lived a wild life behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
But you know, as his attorney said, he's not the
leader of a criminal enterprise and he was not a
sex trafficker. That these women, you know, voluntarily played into
this lifestyle because they loved him and they wanted to
be with him.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's been such an extraordinary look behind the scenes at
people with money and power and means and the power
of celebrity. What did you learn about the process. What
stood out to you about getting this very very strong
look at the legal system in process.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think one thing that I was a little surprised
by was how friendly everybody was. I mean, especially among
the journalists. I kind of went in thinking, you know,
we'd be elbowing each other out of the way, diving
into elevators to get outside first, you know, that sort
of thing. But really, everybody was so helpful to each other.
(10:40):
So you know, if somebody, you know, missed a quote
that the judge said, like people were happy to sort
of share their notebooks or this is what he said.
People shared information with each other pretty willingly, you know,
even the sort of more extreme pro diddy people who were.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Just there to watch.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know, if you get in conversations with them, I
might not agree with them on everything, but they have
an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Most of them were good people.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, all the court martials who you know,
might have sort of hazed me now and then when
going through security.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Four or five times a day to keep reaching my editors.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You know, they we always greeted each other good morning.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, they're pretty jovial and also helpful.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I think, you know, the whole experience of covering
this trial over the last two months has been, you know,
pretty fun in some aspects.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You meet a lot of people, You get close to people.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You're sitting in a room for eight hours a day
with no technology, so you know, you really have to
in those periods where nothing is happening, You're getting to
know people.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That alone in your lifetime has got to be a
very unique experience. Being hours and hours away from your
phone and laptop. That must have really sharpened your listening
and your reporting skills.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Certainly, we kept saying it felt like school, like.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Everybody had their pens and their notebooks, and you know
everybody's listening pretty closely. It definitely helped my speed at
transcribing by hand, which is something that you know, I
don't get a lot of practice doing in my day
to day job.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Very good old school skills that will serve you well
in a power outage and other issues. Well, Ethan, thank you.
I love hearing about the camaraderie, even even in tough
situations and very very serious charges. I love hearing about
the camaraderie of journalism because the other big story of
the past twenty four hours, President Trump and CBS settling
(12:34):
the very specious lawsuit, has been a very dark day
for journalism. But you're reminding me that it goes on
and the job of bearing witness and chronicling is really
really important, and you've done an incredible job. Now, with
all that said, let's end on a lighter note, because
everything is eventually turned into a limited true crime, real
(12:55):
life story. Who would you cast as the lead defense
attorney and who would you cast for the lead prosecution attorney?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, I suppose it depends on how big the budget
of this project is.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If it's an HBO, mini series. I'm going to pull
out some big.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Names fooking like a variety reporter.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think maybe Amy Adams could play the lead prosecutor,
Maureen Comy, and I think for Diddy's lead council Mark Agnifilo,
I think Mark Ruffalo. They have very similar names, and
I do think he could pull that off.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Ethan, again, thank you so much for taking the time
on a busy day that is not over for you.
Deeply appreciated. Thanks so much, Cynthia, thanks for listening. Please
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