From Kansas City Roots to NBC's Young Rock with Joseph Lee Anderson

This week, Brock and Will sit down with Joseph Lee Anderson, who played Rocky on NBC's series, Young Rock, a show about the life and career of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. In the network series, Joseph plays Rocky, The Rock's father. 

Join us for an episode which dives into the entertainment industry from the perspective of someone who grew up in the midwest and became an actor after getting his start as an extra back in his hometown of Kansas City.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You were listening to Studio twenty two.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Studio twenty two. I'm Will Meldman here as
always with the wonderful Brockover.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's good to be wonderful.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
We saw Dune too last night. That was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh we did have that movie's epic.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, we are here with actor entrepreneur Joseph Lee Anderson.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm wonderful too, Yeah, you are wonderful.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's good to be wonderful in my favorite show of
all time, mcgruver. I'm so excited to dive in.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Three wonderful guys starting a podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And obviously the Young Rock as well.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Five months in Australia. Yeah, that's the move.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's a long season, huh.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I thought it was used like a six month Okay,
five to six months is kind of like the norm,
unless you're one of those like crazy shows eight to
nine months.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Is it spread out
or is it like do you film every week for Yeah,
that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I got to get all the episodes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Because like Ray Donovan was six months, but and that
was like hour long episodes, ten of them. But I'm
trying to think the only like not that many episodes,
you know, trying to compare the timing, but yeah, I guess,
like what do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
We were thirty minutes and maybe like thirteen or eleven
episode season and thirteen yeah, yeah, it's like a one
episode a week. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I think it depends on how you film it too. Yeah,
that's why I think it was one episode of a
week when I was there too.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Two maybe, yeah, anyway, but I think.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
The hour would take longer because you get you know, yeah, sure,
it depends on how you shoot it. I feel like
because there's so many flashbacks and everything with Young Rock
that they spend a lot of time filming a lot
of different scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
So we did like block shooting, but also like everything
that was present day. It took like I think a
week or two weeks in Atlanta somewhere, like although basically
the Rock stuff and then ours was like the flashbacks,
like the bulk of the show. That's what we did,
our thing, right, that took us, you know, five months.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Dude, I had so much fun watching that show with
Brock here I do.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, that's a great show. Yeah, he's really unique to Yeah,
for like a network show. It's really like in depth
and you know, a long spanning narrative. It's it's really unique.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I think I thought it was a great show, so good,
comedy was good, the family we had, I thought we
had everything. Yeah, you know that's how I go is
get canceled and then yeah, people that are great.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And I was a big wrestling fan too back in
the day with my brother I still am. I guess
I never like lost it, but you know, we would
watch wrestling back in the day, so there there's that
like nostalgia feel to it too, where it's just like
hell yeah, obviously Hull coming back in and.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hulk was an interesting pair of shoes to step into.
Bro as you ever think you would play h Cogan?
Never crazy? Yeah, never it dude. It's it's like it's
such a wild feelings. It's such an honor, but it's
also like, how do I do justice this? And like
am I am? I?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Ever?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
No, I'm never going to do this justice to what
it deserves. I think I could try, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Uh, he's fucking He's a legend, dude.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
The same thing with Rocky, with the rock with everybody
on that show. They're just iconic they're going to live forever,
you know. So it's cool to be able to like
what was your experience with that when you first booked
it and like that feeling of like you got to
play this guy?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like what was it for you?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I I think it was it was shocked because I
spent the whole time telling myself, I'm not going to
book this because the role was originally like the breakdown
was like think forty thirty to thirty to fifty year
old dude, black dude, and I'm like, I'm I'm twenty
seven at the time, twenty six, twenty seven. I'm like,
I'm not gonna but I'll go went to the audition

(03:58):
and they're like, okay, we'll bring it back for producer.
So I'm like, okay, I mean sure, I guess I'll
go and say to produce, but I know I'm not
gonna book it. And they're like, hey, yeah, we're gonna
test you. I'm like, oh, this is getting real. Like
then you get to the test and you see like
the four other dudes. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely
not gonna puck it down, but it's still cool to
be here. And the next you get the costs in hand,
you booked it, and they're just like, whoa, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Every stage of the process is like a new and then.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
You know, you're like, I made it, like find this
is what actors trivel of it happened, and then COVID happens,
and then the world they're like, oh, what's gonna what's
gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
But uh yeah that is crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, praise guy. We did it, went to Australia. We
did it, and uh yeah, three great years.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Was it all in Australia all day?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
The first two seasons? Then the third season was Memphis.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh wow, yeah that's cool. Is Australia fine or I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like sure, it was crazy? It was so cool. Yeah,
And then like yeah it was awesome. It was a
crazy experience. I never thought I would travel outside of
the country, let.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Alone that far.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and uh yeah it was. It's beautiful. They're so
beautiful there.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
But I've always wanted to go.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I heard from everybody on set, you know, hanging out
with all the guys and everything. Everyone would talk about Australia,
how cool it was, like you guys got to be
so close. Well one because of quarantine, right, but then
also just everyone flying in to be there for that
show specifically, Like I feel like everyone became such great
friends out of that, And then I came into third
season as the fucking new guy, and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
We never we never had like this shouldn't have been
like new guys. Like everybody was welcome. You know, there
was never no who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, they were everyone was cool, still friends with everybody.
We had a real dope cast. That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It's rare you.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Get that way. Everybody is like humble and chill and
you know, there to make the best thing we can make.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh yeah, that's what you strive for. I feel like
on those type of sets, right, it's like yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
And I know you've done a massive body work. Was
What were some of your favorite parts about being on
that show Man.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Money? I mean for me, I mean as an actor,
it's just nice to know that you have a job. Yeah,
and you're going to have a job every week, like
you know, waking up going to work was just such
a cool feeling, you know, to say you're a working actor.
And then you know, I got to lift weights and

(06:21):
get even bigger than I was. That was great because
I was already into lifting prior to the show, and
then you know, just the wrestling, get the wrestle and
do all those stunts, you know with Chavo, he was amazing. Yeah,
there was just it was so many amazing things that
came from that show. It's crazy. Yeah, there's definitely like
a life changing show.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
So yeah, yeah, I love that man. Like you know,
Joe Rogan always talks about how, like, you know, network
television shows not necessarily like sitcoms, but like a network
show was used to be and you know still pretty
much is like the backbone of the industry. Right, It's
like being on like you said, like every week you're

(07:02):
going out and filming, right, It's like that's what everyone
really strived for, was that consistency and being on a
network show.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, now it's like shift that everybody wants to where's
that Netflix show? Or let me get that HBO Max show.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, there's like more options now.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I guess for sure, it's a weird shift.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
How would you feel that change in the industry has
Do you think it's affected that at all or you know,
with streaming And I.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Don't know, because I still say I'm fairly new. I
didn't get to LA until twenty fourteen. It didn't start
acting full time until about sixteen seventeen. Oh cool, So
I was I was coming in as the whole streamers
were starting to like really really coming, you know, really

(07:53):
take over.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
So you kind of started with it.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, I would, I would, I would say I did. Yeah, yeah,
but I have I haven't. I haven't been on like
a Netflix show yet. So Netflix, where you at? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Hell yeah, he's ready, ready to do it. Yeah. Man,
I actually was curious about this because I never got.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
To meet The Rock. What was it like meeting him
for the first time? When did you meet him? Did
you know him beforehand? Or what was that like for you?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
We had like talked like all throughout like the first
two seasons, you know what I mean, anytime we had
a question, we could just go to him, you know
what I'm saying. But to actually a third season, like
meet him in person and like stand there and see
the dude that I've only seen on like a movie
screen is crazy. It was crazy. But he's such a
chill dude. Man, He's the kindest dude you could meet

(08:46):
in the industry. So, yeah, The Rock was awesome. He's
a beast ude.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And you're playing like a family member, right, So I'd
assume maybe you and Uli out of everyone probably had
to consult with him the most, right it was.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, it was. It was a lot, because you want
to do it justice, you know what I'm saying, because
these are this is his life, and these are very
very important people in his life. And so like, as
long as he was happy that, then I knew, like
I was good. Yeah, you know, forget what everybody else
is DJ is this is this how you want your

(09:21):
dad to be playing? And he's like, yeah, cool, we
did it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hell yeah. And and not only like playing a family member,
but he also has so much production experience, right, so
it's like consulting someone about their family member, but also
consulting like an actor that's been around forever, a producer
that's been around, right, like someone very experienced.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Also, Yeah, it must.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Have been great.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
It was.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's unreal, It's unreal. He I remember he posted you
walking with his dad, right, like.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, both of us walking in That was the first
time we met.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
That was the first time.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh wow, yeah did you did you?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
What hit you up?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Out of that? After when they saw you on his
page or anything like that. It's like, you know, he
posted us like he would post us before about you know,
just different different things. But that post was like a
special special post and it was just like, man, it's
just crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Still, I still it's all weird to me, like being
involved in that sort of kind of space because I'm
you know, I'm just a dude from Kansas. I never
thought about like I never thought about acting as a
job until like college. Oh wow, you know what I'm saying.
Like I didn't go to acting school and nothing like that.
So it's still like, even now, like having worked, I

(10:36):
still don't know how to like navigate myself in all
these spaces, like seeing people who like I've watched and
looked up to and now they're like coworkers, and it's like,
you know, like I'm a fan, like, but you know
what I mean, it's a weird. It's a weird thing
to be in.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Man, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
What was that shift in college that that made you
make the decision to go into acting?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Like what was that for you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
So they were making an indie film and this was
back in I was Oklahoma at the time, and they
needed some extras, and I was like, you know, I'm
not doing nothing. I'll go see what's up. That should
be cool. And they were doing two movies in town,
but I went to the wrong one. That wasn't like
the bigger movie. This was like a smaller movie than

(11:19):
I went to. But like they ended up having me
come back and then ended up giving me a line,
and then like I was like, oh man, this is
I like the way I like this. This is nice.
Let me figure out how to do this. And so
it was like a blessing. I went to that one
instead of the other one.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Did you pick that or did you like you just
showed up to the wrong one?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like I googled it because like my mom had told me,
like they're shooting a movie town and like they needed
like to feel a baseball stadium of people. Well, and
so I was like, oh, let me try to find it.
And it was like Vivi gay Fox was in that one,
but she was also in the other one. So I
was like, oh, just googled, like Vivi gate Fox movie
and extras, and I ended up going to the smaller

(11:57):
one versus the one where I would have just been.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
You know, you ended up getting the line out of it.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
One of the two movies in the same town.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
With the same lead.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, it worked out.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
I had nothing similar to that, but I remember I
booked my first show with Tyler Perry in Atlanta, and
I remember they picked me up from the from a
hotel and they started driving me set and I'm like,
I'm a little tired.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
It's like four in the morning, five in the morning,
something like that.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
And I'm looking around and I'm like, are we going
the right way? And am I talking to this driver?
And I'm like, I don't know if we're going in
the right direction.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, it turns out they were filming Thor in the
other direction at the same exact time he started driving.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Me to that set.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Because keeping the driver that same company. I've been driving
people to Bull sets, you know. I'm like, yes, he
I should have told him to just keep driving.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Be late to work.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I'm filming Thor to So he thought he was crisp.
I don't know what he thought. I think he just
thought I look like a like a super I mean,
it would have been hilarious. I rolled up to set,
my boy, but.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Where's the Hemsworth trailer?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Imagine I just stepped in for the day. I would
make it work. I'll find a way. How did you
like working with Tyler?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
It was the best dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. He
that dude changed my life.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
He gave me my first opportunity in film.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
And uh really was just like a mentor figure too,
Like he's just the best dude.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Bro. Oh yeah, kids, nobody has paid me as good
as Tyler.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Really.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, Wow, that's amazing and I've been doing this for
a little bit. Yeah Tyler, Yeah, I have a grateful faim.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah. I don't know anybody like that guy. Man.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, not only from a working standpoint, from a career
like his life, you know, if you know about his story,
but then how hard he works, what he's accomplished, you know,
the things he's done, and then down to who he
is as a person man, Like he genuinely cares about
people and he wants to invest in people. Like I
remember we were on set and somebody was like, I

(14:04):
think I'm going to get this other role, you know,
like it's a big opportunity, and he'll like write you
out of his own show so he can go do
that other thing, you know, or like work around, you know,
just because he wants.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
To see people succeed.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
It's really like he's getting so many people their first shot,
you know, like Sophia Lagar was one of them. Iris Elba,
he gave like the first real role that you know,
wasn't a stereotype. I heard that from his i's mouth,
you know, like it's it's like, it's pretty damn cool.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Bro. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, It's rare in the industry to find someone that
truly does like want to bring people up and like
really like build careers instead of just like pure competition.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah right, it's like yeah in Hollywood, sure, and he's
got some good stuff coming.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Like, man, so I'm excited to see our movie. I
just saw his new Netflix when I was like, yo, yeah,
let's go or a Sick triple not the oh yeah,
that's amazing, but Sean h my buddy that we had
on the podcast, Sean Segars and that and then my
buddy ar to two brothers. Oh they played the brothers.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome from England.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Do good buddies. Man, I met through Tyler.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, but that there's another movie also, I think it's
called six Triple eight that will be coming out later.
Uh with Kerry Washington. She's she's the best. She's so great. Oh,
she's great. And her dad is one of the funniest
dudes I've ever met my life. Bro, he sit there
like I sat at the table with him before, and
he started talking about, oh, this table, yeah, this this

(15:41):
table was from Noah's Ark, you know, and they like
and you know, they shipped it in on a like
he'll just make up stories like you do it not believe, dude,
I'm like, that has to be where carry got it from.
Du Like that's why she's such a great actress. And
it's so much more than that. But dude, it's just
like seeing the people that he's worked with in the
body of work and where it's going to.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
You know, it's just like it's just so cool.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Man.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
I aspire to be a At that point, what's been
one of your favorite roles that you've played so far?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Don't see, I don't see Rocky. Don't see it's crazy
because like it would have to be Rocky, you know
what I mean, because I waited so long. That was
like my first comedy but I've always wanted to do

(16:35):
a comedy that and to get to put a comedy
and I could be buff at the same time, Like
this is just perfect. Yeah, I agree. I would say
it's got to be Rocket been my favorite so far.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, you were you were in the mcgroover TV show, right,
I was, dude so brock and I both know Ryan
just through the years in La Yeah, but that's one
of my favorite comedies, you know, of all time, Like
not only in the movie, but the show actually did
an incredible job of like just more mcgruber content, right, Like,

(17:13):
what was that experience like, because.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
That was crazy, Like because I was just sitting next
to the Lord's Fishburg That's crazy. Yeah, But everybody was
so all all of them were just amazing. They were
all just so humble, even though they were these like
a list people.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, man, that was a blessing to be a part
of that show. Still waiting for a second season me too, Man,
that'd be great. I hate when something greats on and
then they don't make it go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
You know, everybody's waiting for it, they want more of it,
you know, and it's just sitting there like what are
we doing? Everybody wants this. Let's get it going, let's go.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, so many other things. You're like, why is that?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Why is that on season six.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Recouver?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, that was that was a good one.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's so cool, man, that's a that's a dream.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, you're you're short showing me the jog. I remember
seeing that on Say you show me that on set?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Dude?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
How how was that like stepping into uh, the shoes
of you know, a writer and a director and obviously
acting in it, right, and.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, like I would just because it was good.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Man, it was good.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I was just like it was at a time that
I wasn't really working, but like kind of working, and
I was like, man, I'm just bored. Let me try
to try to write something. And at the same time,
there was a lot of I think, I want to say,
a security guard might like, there was a lot of
killings of black men going on, and if you read

(18:47):
one of those comments on all of them, it's always
were like he shouldn't have did this, or you know,
why was he doing that? Or this, and that It's
like this dude just died. Let's you know, we don't
know what's happened. All we see is like two three
minute clip and that's what we want to base everything
around us. I was like, how can I show that
it isn't so black and white? You know what I mean.

(19:08):
There's a lot of things that lead up to that moment,
lead up to that you know clip that we see, Yeah,
and came.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Out with that. Man, it was really great.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Is there a place for people to see it? For
anybody that wants to go just watch it because it's.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, for sure. So it was a Vimeo staff picked
on Vimeo and then go to my Instagram and watch
it too.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
It's one of those things when you put it on
you're like, it sucks you in and then you don't.
You don't get out of it. You're in it, you know,
And that is great filmmaking, whether it's short or long
term or you know, full full length feature or not.
But when you're in it and you can stay in
it and feel that what you're supposed to feel out
of it, that's great storytelling.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
So when you start doing full length feature, just remember
I said that.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
It was crazy, like I did that like just to
act and then you know, it went to south By
Southwest and then everybody was like, oh, it was this director,
let's take director meetings. I'm like, I don't know nothing
about it. Direct about right, And I just looked at that.
So everybody was like, oh, okay, well never mind.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
We you know, we talk a lot about having like
creative outlets and how important that is, and you know,
given the gravity of that short, you know there's also
very deep messaging and that as well. Do you think
part of your mission as a creative is to make
things or be a part of things that also have

(20:33):
a message. I know you love comedy and stuff too,
but was that a big goal of yours.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I can't say that it was, honestly, but I think
those those shows are movies and TV shows are very important.
But for me, I just I love making people laugh. Yeah,
and I love laugh and so that's that's kind of
like why I wanted to do more and more comedy.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
But at the same time, you know, it's important to
like speak up on those issues as well. Yeah, because
like me, i'd got tired of seeing it and it's like,
you know what I mean, come on, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It sounds like something moved you to make it, right,
So that's yeah, that's great. I'm a huge comedy fan too.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, you know, I don't think there's anything better than
making people laugh.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Hey man, I love laughing making people laugh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Do you uh?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Do you still keep in contact? I know we're kind
of bounced around a little bit, but you're still keep
in contact with anybody from Young Rock, Like you talk
to Uli. ULI's out here now, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I talked Ulie Bradley. Bradley, everybody's doing it chick in
on Adria from time to time. Yeah, we're still pretty close.
It's all pretty close. You know. Who blew my mind
on set was Stacey. Stacy's like crazy good.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
She's so good that I actually didn't know she was
from New Zealand. I didn't know she had an accent.
So when I met her, I was like, well I
was hearing like the hair and hair trailers, my hair
and makeup.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I'm like what ye are you kidding me? Right now?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Man?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Like, like everyone on that that was blow your mind,
Like the talent that was that was pulled in there
was just like, yeah, it's incredible and obviously it shows.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
But yeah, man, everybody was and maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like a New Zealand Australia thing too, Like, but the
New Zealanders.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Like they're just cool man, Yeah, they're just cool people. Yeah,
it's really cool. Now. Stacey's a freaking powerhouse of an actor.
She's good. Yeah, she is good. Yeah, dang, I wish
I was that good. And Bolli's okay, Like he's like
riding that line of below average.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know. Yeah, man, you know that's that's what happens.
It happens to someone there's room to grow, room to grow.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Nah, he's crazy good. Yes, my brother, it'd be I
haven't seen like it'd be Sacey and Uli and then
it'd be crying and I'm over here like trying to
trying to match the cry and I'm like, oh, I
gotta that my gay there you God, I meet newly
for the first time, I'm like, Dude, this guy's way
bigger than he looks than I thought he looked on
the camera. He is a big He's bigger than me.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Coming from you and you probably seeing that now, Bro,
I don't know. Man, it kind of annoyed me a
little bit. That's how I felt you, That's that's how
I felt. I'm usually the big guy.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You are the big guy, even if I'm in the room.
But uh yeah, man, it's just it's just so funny,
this this industry. Man, it when you're in it, it
really is. I feel like the best thing. It's like
the best and worst thing, you know, because when you're
not working, all you want to do is work because
it's the best job in the world. And then when
you are working, it's like, I can't compare it to anything,

(23:41):
Like what would you like? Once you have a taste
of it, I feel like, how do you go back?
How do you How do I get a nine to
five or have a normal I'm like everything I do
now is like so that I can do more of this.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know, I've never done anything like it. I don't
think there is anything, like, there's nothing like show business.
It's it's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
And by the way, like you say the thing about
nine to five, but when you're on a film set,
it's typically you know, five or six am to like
seven or eight pm, right, Like, yeah, it's more than
a nine to five when you're on which is crazy
to think about.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
What do they call it?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
They say you can get the film flu because you're
working so much you start to get sick just from
overworking from time time.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, and then you get into like overtime and double
overtime and then you're really pushing it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Show must go on.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I do find from time to time that it is
difficult to keep up the routine with eating and training
and you know, like you know, if you realize, oh,
we're filming for sixteen hours a day, I still got
to get a workout in somewhere, Like how do I
do that? And then if I if I don't eat,
I'm gonna be dead the whole time.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
On our horror film, The Resort that we were shooting
years ago, you brock with like all the producers. We'd
be like meeting, scrambling to like figure out what we're
going to and then Rock would just be in the
gym like crushing it. Like come over to the meeting,
just like what's up and help us figure everything out too,
And like he was obviously a producer on it too,

(25:12):
but definitely the most muscular producer. I'd say, I'll take that.
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I found that that challenging on young Rock to to
like find the balance, especially when you like you know,
have naked most of the time. You gotta like not eat.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
It's an extra motivator.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But it's it's tough. It's like, I see why some
actors be like only work eight hours a day and
that's it.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know, I mean I get that. Yeah, I mean
look at it.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Look at the way that when you get to the
point where you're at, you know, Dwayne Johnson's level, You
film an entire season in a week, right, and then
he gets to just keep rocking and he's obviously doing a.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Million other things. The guys animals, Dude, it is so busy.
Put him in Tyler just how do they do it? Yeah, dude,
it's so it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing, and the leaves
something to aspire to.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
But somebody who loves like a fitness you know, like
like like we like we do. It's it's to see
someone that jacked and to have that much success is
like mind blowing. The amount of discipline you gotta have
and consistency is just to get in that shape in
the first place. But then how many films and how

(26:18):
many companies is he buying and acquiring and running the
XFL and the you know, his production company and all
the movies he does, and you know, just from an
outside perspective, You're like, bro, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
How many are there of you? How many are there
maintaining it? He's only getting better and better and better. Yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
You won't see any like people magazine photos of him
with like a beer belly on the beach. You know no,
that's definitely not No.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
He's going to be like slide, just ripped to the end. Bro.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's the way to go. Yeah, man, why why living
the other way?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Man? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
All right?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
What's what's your max? Binch? Bro?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Are you it's not? I tried to hit a max today.
I hit three thirty today. My bench great, I'll get
you up.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'll get you up. I'll get you up.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Bro. You know what it is like, I'm I would
want to go heavy, but then when I feel it
like start to hurt, I stopped versus like like pushing
it through to try to get it.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
What's hurting though? Like what he means?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
What is it like a joint hurting? Or is it
just like this when I when I bench, it's like
four arms like interesting, four arms interesting? Just I don't
got there's nothing, there's nothing there if it falls like
so I don't got safety. I had some like safety racks,
and I just see what happens for a place, what's
gonna happen? But benchs? Wait, that left is nice?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Some people are usually like either pushers or polars. I
think like like your back, it can be crazy, legs
can be crazy or you know, chest, Usually it's not both.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I happen to be both.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
But I.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Was just kidding. No, I mean not really, but kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
What's your bitch? What's your bench? Like four? I don't
know now man?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, what is it now? I don't know the last
I don't.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
I don't max out anymore because I but I the
most most I've ever done.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, five sixty five that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But I was twenty one twenty two, so that.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I can't even squat five I didn't he just.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
But no, what I can do now though, is two
seventy five? For like, what did I do? I think
the most of it was twenty six reps? Well, what's
your one rep?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I don't Matt, I don't do it? Why not because
I don't want to get injured? Yeah, because I did that.
See when I was younger. I don't know when you
started lifting, but I started at fifteen. Then I got
obsessed with lifting heavy and I started lifting everything heavy.
So I was, you know, dead and over six hundred
invention over five hundred, like squatting, well over five hundred.
I don't think I never hit six hundred, but I'd

(28:49):
wrap the crap out of it with five. And when
I started getting injuries, I couldn't come back from it.
It took years to recover so I can. So I
got nervous with that, And now I'm like, how do
I have longevity so I can last longer? How can
how I can live longer and be comfortable doing it
and be healthy? And I mean some people are just

(29:12):
built for it, like.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
You, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I think you're bill for I am.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I think I'm deadlifted three, like over three plates on
each side. So what's that like three ten plus a
little bit?

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah plus maybe if it's good over there, it'll be
over three fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that's like as far as I.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Got solid numbers so bad, that's bad.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I've never gotten like a weightlifting injury. Oh that's good,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, But I've got I got hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I got a jiu jitsu injury.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
That'll get you.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm still my knee is still really that's been since
no fimber. Yeah, so I'm finally gonna about to go
to the doctor. I'm like, yeah, I finally going to
see what's happening. See what That's tough, right, but it's crazy.
I got still I don't right Right now, it's fine,
I can squat still like I've just hit a pr
squat like anything. It's fine. But when I'm like on
my knee, that's when it's like, oh no, interesting, something

(30:11):
like pop or something. Nah, I just kind of like
landed on it. When it happened.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Interesting, I wonder if it's like either strained or like
bruised almost, And then it's you keep using it so
it's not healing because we use your knees every day, right,
you gotta use them. Yeah, just stop having done jiu jitsu.
I'm like, not directly on them.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I had the next stuff when I do jiu jitsu,
and then when next stuff sucks, it affects everything.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Would you urge people to try something like that, like
jiu jitsu or some type of fighting workout, no, because.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I don't want them to like get better than me.
So I would tell them, like stay far away from
much competition, but just keep typing keyboard. No, if you
if you could do it, you should do it. It's
life changing. Like I like, once I started, I'm like,
oh man, I can't. I hate that. I'm not like
trying in it right now. Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's very addicting. Our buddy does muy thai, right, Morton, Yeah,

(31:05):
Morton does muy.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Thai similar to jiu jitsu.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Is that no kicking, it's mostly yeah, Yeah, those guys
are tough, bro built, like they're crazy.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
They're like kicking steel poles and stuff and like kicking
through trees and everything like that. And yeah, because more
thai is more obviously it's more legs, right. But it's
the it's not about how many fights you've won, Like
there's no respect, or there is respect, but there's it's
the respect doesn't come from how many fights you want.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's how many fights you've been on so been in.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
So if you've won twenty fights and you've never lost
a fight, right, or you've or let's say two people fought.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Three hundred or now, how do we put that?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, if you fought twenty fights and you're undefeated and
somebody else has fought three hundred and fifteen fights and
he lost everyone, the guy who gets more respect is
the guy who lost three him in fifteen and muy Thai.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Jiu jitsu is much different. Jiu jitsu is very.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
It's a technical you know, it's uh, it's it's technique
like and and it's tough man and eight peak dude.
You can get people that it doesn't matter at the
size the ship. It's like. That was my first lesson
at fifteen was there was this dude that was like
five to two. It was my first time they had

(32:19):
me spar with this dude. He's in his thirties and
you know I was fifteen. Yeh and bro, he tapped
me out in like two minutes and I'm like, I
will never underest me. He weighed one hundred pounds stripping
wet maybe dude, and I'm like, I'm never Yeah, Like Calvin,
I see Calvin can't get me though.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
One of our buddies, Calvin one, I think, won a
medal for Singapore wrestling when he was nineteen in the
Olympics and he's still like five percent body fat. It's crazy,
but we trained with him a ton, like for football
and lacrosse growing up. He's the man, but you know,
you never he's he's pretty short, pretty thin, but like

(32:59):
a killer.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's the thing about any kind of fight. I it
maybe like realize that the people who who don't look
like they can fight are the ones that'll probably murder you.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, Like that's what I'm saying is I'll never underest
meate anybody ever.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And he said the key to jiu jitsu is, if
you like, the key is to not fight, right, So
if you can de escalate a situation, that's goal number one.
Just like it's all defensive and like trying to not fight.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Nothing nothing really good ever comes out of a fight.
I don't think like, yeah, maybe you beat someone up, wow, okay, uh,
you also can catch a charge that way, or you
can you know, somebody else can come back and you
gotta look over your shoulder, or it's like keep it
in the ring. You don't know if somebody's got a
weapon on them, you know. And I'm like, see that's
where my head's at. Where you know, like I if

(33:49):
I can talk you out of it. That's more of
a win than physically, and especially being a big dude too.
I'm like i'd feel bad hurting somebody sometimes, you know,
like not everybody. Maybe some people need a little smacking,
but uh.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Like they usually don't mess with that. Yeah, yeah, like usually.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Usually Back in the day though, when I was younger,
I must have had like a different demeanor about me.
Uh not in a bad way, just like there was
something different maybe the way I carried myself that people
would try to start crap with me everywhere I went. Dude,
if I went out to the bars, I'm like nineteen
years old, I'm this big kid, you know, like maybe
I still got a baby face, but I got a
giant man body.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
They just want to fight me.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Dude. My alcohol makes people. Yeah, you know, yeah, I
don't go I don't drink, but I don't go to bars.
That's it. Maybe I stopped going those places, you know,
Yeah I stop. Yeah. Yeah, I stay home, I go home,
I go to the gym.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
It sounds like a good life for there, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same beat.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I'll go out on occasion for like a birthday or
something like that. But you know, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's a good message to people out there. You can
be a total badass like you guys and still not
have to go out and drink every weekend.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Right. That's I can't remember the last time I had
a drink, Like, I don't. Don't do it never been
a thing.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah for me too, I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I don't gravitate towards it especially.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
I think when you really get into health and fitness,
you realize how it affects you, and then when you
stop doing it too, the hangovers is like, it's not
worth three days of me having crappy workouts if I
even get in there. Yeah, it's not worth the joy
or whatever you might get out of the drinking that night.
To me, doesn't outweigh what I get out of staying

(35:24):
focused and disciplined and chasing my dreams and my goals
and the benefit I get out of the serotonin dopamine
rush from having a great workout, Like to me, it's
progress versus the latter with drinking.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
So I would always have just one drink and then
I would fall asleep. I've always been a lightweight, Like
I just one little drink and that's it.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
That's why you don't drink like he getting on philosophical
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Not just fall asleep.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I fall asleep, you know what I mean. It's like Melottin.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
First Calvin always says, like three SIPs of or three
drinks of alcohol can ruin an entire week's worth of
muscle building. So like you can work out all week,
and even three drinks on like Saturday night can literally
just destroy muscle tissue when it's growing.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I believe it. Yeah, some cancer, that stuff's bad. It's it's.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Moderations.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, but I mean I still have drinking time time.
I'll say, yeah, I drink every now and then. Yeah,
spread it out, and I love drinking.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm drinking this whole time.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
No, man, But uh, you lived here before, right? You
say you live in North Hollywood?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Right? How do you?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
How do you like l A?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
How's the l A for you? That's not it's not
it's not me. It's I can't wait to go back
back to cancer. It's like I'm a homebody and like
it just doesn't I don't do the l A things,
so don't make sense to me. To be here paying
this high rent. Yeah, you know, yeah, like that's why
I wouldn't strike happened and COVID happened. I was good.

(37:04):
You know, I'm paying Kansas prices, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, you still got a lot of
friends and family on Kansas.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, my family's out there. Yeah, family's out there. But
all my friends are like here, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, Well that makes it.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know, having a good friend group here that was
similar interests and all that, that's that really helps. I
Mean I my first time in LA was film school
at USC and that's craziest environment ever. But like then
after school, after I graduated, you kind of gravitate towards
people with healthier habits, I'd say, right, and then you

(37:40):
can kind of start building that life for yourself that
you know you can work towards, right, Like, I think
it's important. I think LA definitely gets a really bad rap,
and a lot of it's justified, but there are like
pockets of communities that you can find of people that
are just hard working and focused and healthy.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
And yeah, I'd say that's like I'm like, since I'm
back here, like that grind switch has been flipped back
on like crazy, you know what I mean, even like
all my friends are here that I haven't seen in
near it was like hanging out with nobody, like I'm
here to like if I'm here, if I'm gonna be here,
like we're gonna get this work. So yeah, hell yeah,
yeah that's what That's what I've been on.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, strike's over, COVID's over, like let's go.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Hell yeah, exactly exactly you've had.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Did you have any training at all when it came
to acting or is it just something that you know
out of the gate you kind of started booking stuff or.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Was it it was my first year here twenty fourteen.
I was trained with Sarah Mornell for about six months
and then did some coaching off and on. She's in
Atlanta now, but she was great. She was like really
auditioned focus, and so I think before what I was
doing was just like memorizing these words and making them

(38:56):
sound good, but I didn't know like, oh, they actually
mean things, and didn't know like how to break down
a scene like things like that. So whether that's that's
when I learned that like just changed the whole the
whole game for me. But I think the first year
like I didn't book anything. Second year like I booked
a guest star and then tested for a show, and

(39:18):
then like it, every every year got better and better
and better.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, interesting. No, I mean that's it. You
got to put in the work. And is there a
is there anything you think like any any I don't know,
maybe maybe habits you've created, or is there any like
like a certain kind of work ethic around auditioning or
uh networking? Any tips you could give maybe an actor

(39:43):
out there that's trying to work and wants to have
at least a part or partial amount of a career
that you've had so far, he done some cool stuff, man, Yeah,
that's really cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
What's crazy is like I I'm not a good networker,
Like I've never networked in my life, you know what
I mean. But I show up, I'm prepared, I do
a great job. I'm nice to everyone, I respect everyone,
And then that's kind of how I built my relationships.
And you know, career, you just show up and do

(40:15):
the work and people are gonna gravitate to you or
they're not. You know, they're gonna they're always gonna remember
the person who like killed it and was super nice,
especially in LA. As long as you were in a diva,
you did your job, You're gonna be remembered and people
respect that. That's that's what I've been doing my whole
whole career.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, that's that sounds like great advice to me.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Man. I wish I could network, though, Like that's a
whole skill in its own. Like I'm the guy that
I'll go, like to those premieres or those you know,
they'll have the premiere, they'll have the party appards and
everybody's talking. I'm just like in the corner with some
water like looking like a creeping like that this is working.
I'll go.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I get you though, because I mean I'm I'm just
like I'm saying, I'm a home body, but I'm also
just an introvert like and through.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
So when I go to places like that, I do
sometimes find it difficult to get out and just be like, dude,
I want to go talk to that dude, you know,
like I know she's this casting director or like wh
I've worked with them before. Like I'll talk to people
I know obviously, but to get out of that comfort
zone and just go do it. It's like, it's not
the easiest thing in the world to do. Usually it

(41:19):
pays off when you do, and it's and when you
show up to those things.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I think the biggest thing is just showing up.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
But yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
It is like I've been that a million times rather
due in the back of a drink and I'm just like,
why am I so awkward? Wasn't wrong with me talking
to me?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Because she's big and scary looking at the corner.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
That's like you're gonna bite me right now? No, But
that's it though.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I mean, but then there's been times where, you know,
maybe I had one or two drinks and I started
getting like, all of a sudden, I could be the
life of the party.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You know what I meant asleep? Wake up, man, wake up.
But that's that is I think. Once once you like
embrace that uncomfortability, Yeah that's a word, then there's usually
something that's gonna come out of that. So I'm gonna
get better at it. I get it eventually. But then
it's like, you know, what do we talk about? Like

(42:09):
you left weights? Do you watch Anname? All right, let's
talk to you about I don't know what else to
say yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
But to be honest though, like doing the work and
then booking the work right and then being professional in that,
I think will go farther than I mean. I've met
so many people in this industry, and I'm so grateful
for the friends I have and the network I have.
But I can't even tell you how people that can
put me on like that that don't and I still
know them, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's it's it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I think the biggest thing that at the end of
the day is what work are you doing? What work
are you putting out there? How you're showing up, how
you know? What are you what are you doing daily?
That that makes different. You're working on your freaking body
every day, You're working on your craft, you know, you're
working on the dream. All those things stack up and
some people it is networking, right. I don't want to, like,

(43:02):
I don't know, man, Maybe I should be more that way.
Maybe I should be like, Yo, you're doing a movie
with you know so and so. I know you got
a character that fits me. What's wiring you to put
me in?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
You know? Like?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
But I don't want to be that guy. I'm not
that guy, you know. It's a it's a weird it's
a weird place because it's like that, yeah, they could
put you on it, but and they know You's like
they know me. If they thought I was right, they
would hit me up.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
It's a lot of that too, is like obviously I'm
not an actor, I'm a writer, producer, but like sometimes
I found you really have to like almost do something
for someone else to like get in the mix of
it all. Like, for example, I sold a script where
I wrote it on spec and and someone was looking

(43:46):
for something and I just essentially did it for free
and now we're actually making it. But it's essentially like
if someone's looking for something and you can help them,
at least in an entry level position like I am,
it's like almost just taken a taken a risk by
risking my time and energy for what someone else is

(44:07):
looking for. Right, And then I just booked another producer
gig where some you know, another producer needed something from
me and like work for me, and I'm like done,
I'll do it for you, you know. So, like I
know that doesn't really apply to acting as much, but
it's really almost taking a risk to help someone else,
if that makes sense, where it's really I don't know,

(44:29):
does that Does that kind of make sense?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I mean it's to me it sounds like adding value,
Like how can you add value tos a person that
makes you stand out instead of being a taker?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Right?

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Like to a degree, I think is what I'm taking
what you're saying, And I totally that makes total sense
in my head. It's like, but then it's also from
an acting standpoint, especially if you want to be a
diehard actor and and like in the sense that all
you want to do is acting. All you are doing
is acting. What value you're going to add other than
a great performance?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, and like what are you going to to do?
Act for free as a favor or something like? You
know what I mean. Sometimes sometimes it doesn't apply that analogy,
I guess.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
No, But I mean there's there's workarounds, there's ways to
make things work and connecting people and stuff like that. Yeah,
but not if you don't know how to know work.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I think for me, like I've there's been things like
you you know, work with people like, oh I work
with this this guy before let me shoot him in
text me like, Hey, I just audition for your thing.
You know, it's good to see your name pop up,
Like I'll never like ask for a role, but like
let me me audition can get a you know me,
you know that. I don't think it's a problem with that.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
No, no, And especially like when you know what you
can do and at the end of the day, like
they're looking for somebody, right and they need somebody to
fill that role. And if you think you're going to
answer the question for them, you're going to feel that spot.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Then why wouldn't you know Like.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I'd rather give it if I was a producer, I
guess I am, But when I'm looking for something, like
if I was, if that was my main job all
the time, I'd want to put in the person that
wants it. You know that, what are you going to
do to set yourself apart? Sometimes, yeah, you want to
find that perfect person, and that's what casting. That's why
we have casting directors and those companies, and you know,

(46:07):
there's so many different ways to do it. But a
lot of times it can just be that text you're like, Wow,
I don't know why I didn't think of you for that,
you know, and you just put a little note out
and it made all the difference. So it's this industry
is crazy because there's no there's no blueprint, there's no
one way to go do it, you know, it's like
it's sometimes it is the friendship. Sometimes it is the
great auditions.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I have a random question, what would be like your
total dream role, like it literally if you could just
completely set it up.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Probably a superhero. I'm thinking Cyborg or Green Lantern or
just like of like a like a really bad, a
whole type of guy, like just a villain, like it
is a bad piece of crap.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Dude, I love that.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I love that, Like I haven't played a bad guy yet.
I'm always like.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I love that, either the hero or the villain.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, one of them.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Those, well they're there. They must be casting Green Lantern
right now right like that and Cyborg, like i'd imagine. Yeah, nothing, dude, DC.
They're building that universe. Man, I could you got to
come back once you once you book green Land.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Hopefully here's hoping you start stop stops answering my calls.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
But that'd be dope. One of those would be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I could totally see you in the d C universe.
I'd be sick.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, yeah, one day maybe.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, they're they're booking it right now, they're getting ready.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, I haven't seen a single DC audition.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Well I think they're Yeah, there are the very beginning
stages of it.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I know that, Hey, Marvel has Thor d C has Aquaman. Yeah,
there's no room for me, man, I gotta shave my head, bro,
no coming back.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
There's gotta be somebody.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, there there's that whole universe.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Green Arrow, that'll be cool, Green Air that cool?

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah you said, you said, Uh, you watch anime? What's what?
What animated you gravitate towards? What do you like?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Right now? I'm watching Solo leveling pretty heavy. There's one
Piece love one Piece? Obviously watching one Piece?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
What'd you think of the live action?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Next question?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
No, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Not a big fan.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I didn't like.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, okay, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I couldn't get into it.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I mean, if you're like a diehard anime fan, I
could see why. You know, it doesn't check all the box.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I couldn't get into it. But I'm loving the Avatar
live action though.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Oh I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I'm loving that.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Really, did you watch Blue Eyed Samurai Fire I love
that Fire.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Hell Yeah, Fire, Fire, there's the one. There's the one
on the Max an Adult Swim. It's like Ninja. Something
starts with a K and it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I gotta check that out.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
What is that called?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Anime on Adult Swim starts with a K?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's Ninja than the K. I don't know what last
hm Ninja? Yep, there it is there you Fire.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's on my list. Now then Fire.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
It's only three episodes right now? What I watch?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I went through a little anime run. I'm trying to
think of all of them.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
How far long are you in?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Chainsaw Man, Chaseawman?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Fire? Caught up on one piece?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
You cut?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
You watched all that is rare? Watch it all?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I love that. You know. I'm getting a lot more
into animation because we're, you know, looking to do a
pilot of our comic book animation.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Who's that Luke?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah dude, Yeah, we got job.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah dude. Hell Yakane's best friend is this guy Luke
who was a medic in Afghanistan and now is back
in like Kane's small town, and he ends up in
volume two. Spoiler alert, we may cut this, but in volume.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Two that's crazy. Hey, I'm ready. I just did a
cartoon just finishing called Common Side Effects with Mike Judge.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Mike Judge, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
That should be out thinking October, dude.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Hopefully Mike Judge is like the Goat.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I didn't get to meet him yet.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, he was in butt Head.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
He's He'silicon Valley.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
That's the only downside is when you work on a
show of cool people and you don't meet the cool people.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I know, damn.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
But they were filming here and I was in Kansas.
I was just going to study out there.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
And that's great.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Oh just for the voice recording. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
We'll keep you in mind, bro, Yeah, give me a
mind audition.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
We'll go live action audition.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Well, yeah, that's yours if you want. We're doing this
to build into live action, right, like we're we want
to essentially what DC is doing there doing creature commandos
and animation and then keeping all the same voices and
actors for the live actions. But that's our goal. You know,
we're starting with animation and then building.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
But hit you with that first rod refusal contract.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'll sign anything. I don't even know what it has
sign it.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Hell yeah, yeah, we'll get you. We'll get a bunch
of the comments you check them out if you want
to check them out.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah. Sure, yeah, we'll.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Get rocking on this.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I mean, yeah, we're not far behind on uh starting production.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I think, dude, We'm meeting tomorrow with our partners and
the agency and to get everything going. I finished the
script of the pilot. Pilot's done. It did like four
drafts of it. And I just talked to we're hiring
in my production company one of the South Park Studios
animators and he's going to help us run animation from

(52:10):
my side and then the agency they already have like
a big animation team. But yeah, we're like we're moving
full force.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Hey, come on, then, come on, let's go.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
And yeah, and Luke, he's not in Cane Volume one
of the comics, but he's in the pilot. So like
when you read the comics you won't see him, but
he was. He's got a huge part in Kane volume
two of the comics and the.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Pilot, so it's like, yeah, it's amazing. Anyway, he's Jack.
It's another role you get to play where you get Jack.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Let's go. You know, be the most jack you've ever been.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
That's right for me.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
That's what I gotta do.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Picture of Cane on the wall, like I'm looking like.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
That, because Kane Kane's pretty cool man.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
He comes from a long line, uh birth line and
from Achilles and connected with you know, gods and over
time he's essentially reincarnated more or less. But his family
line is just through and through to present day. So
what we go through all through time for back to
two thousand years and tapping different parts of his lineage and.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Ancient Greece, ancient Rome, Viking pirates, all like the most
fun parts of history. Someone in the family was alive.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
So we're like, it's different in the sense that we
go through time, but it's basically I mean it's a
combination of things, but it's like the Blade of Werewolves basically.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
See the easiest way to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, it's more as far as like a story line goes.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Laid and predator combined.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Pat Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, very like nineties action heavy style let's go.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, that's awesome. That's that's crazy. That's though.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It's been fun. Good for y'all.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Dude. It's like, you know, being a big animation head
and like all this mythology, Like my favorite book was
the Iliad back in the day, and I just am
fascinated by history and all these myths, and you know,
I had to have this outlet and over COVID I
started writing and just writing and writing and writing, and

(54:19):
now I like can't freaking stop. I'm like going fucking crazy.
But it's it's nuts. Due comics are awesome.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's so fun man. Yeah, So Luke, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Thanks for letting us brant about that.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, that's awesome. That's dope. Man.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So you got a what's the name of the show
that you got with Mike.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Judge coming on Common side Effects see Sovereign Ray.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I've heard of it.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's the same I didn't Joe Bennett. But that whole
world they built is nuts nuts.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, we'd love to have one day our own Game
of Thrones. I don't even witcher like like whatever kind
of badass world we can build, like do some stuff
like that, make our own universe, you know, that's the
way to do it. Yeah, mar Marvel hopefully one it
is Marvel DC and Kane.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
There you go. I'll sick of that.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Maybe one of them will want to buy kne Well,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
That's the dream too. We're we're part of a comic
book studio called Rogue Matter, and we have over sixty
I p's at the company and still building and like
ten of them r ours or seven of them r
ours right now, and we're just fucking just keep going.
You know. It's like once you start, you can't stop. Yeah,
We're just so many stories to tell and it's like,

(55:46):
you know, just writing. But it's it's fun. Anyway, I'm
randing too much.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
But yeah, I know I was asking that, is there
is there anything else in the pipeline right now that's
going to be coming out that you've done or got that?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
A movie with Tyler Perry coming out on Amazon called
Divorce in the Black. Hell, yeah, I should be out
this year and uh yeah, man, we that's it. We
just back to the audition grind, you know, back to
it was that fun to work on. Oh man, that
was really fun. Tyler shoots, so it was a whole
different experience because he shoots so fast, but like I

(56:21):
love that, Like, you know, ain't no waiting around in
your trailer it's like, shoot this, you're done, all right,
go do something else. You know. That's exactly who else
is in it, Megan Good, Corey Art, Yeah, miss three
of us getting down in there. It'll be great. That's
great looking forward to it. Yeah yeah, cool man, we'll shoot.

(56:46):
Well you already listed today? What do we got? Got?
I lifted today? I'm about to go home and play
a Fortnite. Yeah, that's it, that's my day.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
You got a college for that.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, for sure, you play Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I got Fortnite, Call of Duty. And then the new
game that is insane hell Divers Held Diver. They had
to up the servers to seven hundred and fifty thousand
concurrent players because at five hundred thousand it was maxing out.
So it's like it's the best new game. It's it's
Starship Troopers but so like it's constant running around reloading,

(57:26):
killing bugs. And but the coolest new feature that I've
never seen in a game is it's all about air strikes.
So you like hold out one and then hit the
dpad a bunch to like call in a code, throw
a grenade that's an air strike, or a supply or
a weapon, and like you can't win a mission without
fucking air. Yeah, it's PC and PS five.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, you can recommend it. Good lift, good lift.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I'm just boring with all my nerves.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
That nerd.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Everybody's playing held up. Yeah, I'd stick with Fortnite and
the war Zone. Those are That's what I'll be playing.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
War Zone is still the best. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I love the whole death Chat proximity Chat.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, I love it. People are crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I love it. But I can imagine when people were like,
what your voice? What is it? Stuff?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
There was cussed out by ten year old Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Dude, I'm a big doctor disrespect fan. I haven't watched
a lot of his stuff. They have the funniest stuff
on there.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
But yeah, what y'all getting into today?

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Audition?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Some writing.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I've gonna write more to you, a lot more productive
than men.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
And then war Zone.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I got my gym out the way and I'm done.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah. I haven't gotten to work out in but.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, I gotta get some food and go time.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Man, Well appreciate you coming on, and dude, it's been
fun to watch your career. It's been fun to work
with you. It's been fun to have you on the podcast.
And we are excited for you to one day ignore
our text because you're two famous.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I can't because we'll be working on them.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
That's true, that's right.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Brother, appreciate you to meet you.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Thank you so much,