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July 9, 2025 13 mins

8 tracks were during vinyl, but preceded cassettes. Why? So people could listen to their music on the go. Check out this antiquated medium today.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.
It's just us, neither Jerry nor Davis here, so it's
short Stuff, the bereft edition.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
I want to thank NPR, capture dot Com, a website
called ps Audio, a website called ever Present, and more
for the research that went into the eight track cassette
player or eight track cartridge itself. April eleventh is National
eight Track Tape Day, so we've missed that. But if
you don't know what an eight track is, it preceded

(00:36):
the cassette tape and we're gonna get into what this
thing was.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, you usually wedged in between LP record albums and
cassettes because that's basically where it really popped up in
the seventies is kind of where you really associate eight tracks.
But it was way older than that, apparently, as far
back as the forties it was essentially coming into development.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Right, Yeah, which surprised me. You might be wondering, like,
why did we need eight tracks at all? And it's
because at the time, dear listener, especially younger dear listener,
if you wanted to play the music that you wanted
to hear, you could play it on your record player
in your house. You didn't have a record player in

(01:19):
your car, you had a radio that played whatever the
heck they wanted. So all of a sudden, eight tracks
came along as a mobile version away to take the
music that you wanted on the road, either via your
car or via these awesome portable players, of which we had.
One of it was a Lloyd's. We had a deck
in our conversion van, of course, but we had just

(01:41):
look up the white Lloyd's eight portable player and that
was the very one. I found it online and I
might even get one on eBay. It brought back so
many nostalgic memories.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's awesome, maning you totally should of One of my
friends in high school, Mitch, not dirty Mitch with skabies,
but the right different Mitch.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
That sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
His grandma had a huge white Lincoln Continental with an
eight track deck in it, and we got our hands
on a Saturday Night Fever soundtrack on eight track and
we just cruise around listen into that in that car.
It was pretty.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Boss, skipping forward two songs at a time.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ish. Yeah, yes, yeah, that's something I can't wait to
talk about. But just when a little background on the
how this worked. It was built on ancient technology from
the twenties and thirties, which was magnetic film, which became
real the real film, and essentially is that is tape
that has magnetized metal particles on it, and when sound

(02:36):
is converted into an electrical impulse, the tape writer translates
that into well, it's an electromagnet. It translates it into
a magnetic pulse that arranges these pieces of magnetic metal
into ones and zeros, and then the whole thing is
done backwards on the on the other end when you
listen to it. This is the basis of not just

(03:00):
cassette tapes, but since eight tracks came first, this is
what they were built on over time. And there are
a few inventions that kind of were stepping stones that
led to the eight track.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I mean the Germans were using it in World
War Two. The Allies got a hold of it, and
eventually it got to the music industry and they were like, hey,
we got a thing now that we can play this
stuff on the road.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We think in a continuous loop.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
And the very first person to achieve the version that
could go to market was a guy named William Powell Lear,
the creator of the lear Jet.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Previous to this, there.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Were some sort of housing and internal guts things that
were worked out by various people. A guy named George
Eish in nineteen fifty three came up with the nab
cartridge or the fiddle fidilipak cartridge. It's also called a
cart if you ever heard of like on w CARI
Cincinnati or old radio stations, they had carts, music carts,

(03:57):
That's what that was. These were built for radio stations.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
It was short for cartridge slang. I guess you'd call it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So that was followed up by the Month's Stereo Pack
and it was created by Earl Madman Months, and he
directly influenced the development of the eight track because William
Powell Lero is riding around in Madman Months's car when
he was playing one of the Stereo pack cartridges for him.
But the thing that really kind of separated Months from
everybody else, he's the first one to go directly to

(04:26):
the record companies and say like, hey, let me license
your music and put them on this new format and
let's start getting it out there. And like I said,
William Powell Leer was like, this is a great idea.
I'm going to build on this and create a longer
playing version of it, and I'm going to call it
the eight track.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, and then vinta Jet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I should point out too quickly, and this can't be
a coincidence, but Earl Madman months was the.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Creator of that cart.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
If you're a Coen Brothers fan and a fan of
the movie Barton Fink, you will know that John Goodman's
character name is Carl Madman munt oh really, and there's
no way that's a coincidence. No, I don't know the
correlation or if it was just they got they thought
it sounded cool or something.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Who knows what a strange homage if it was.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Though, agreed, Should we take a break, Yes, all right,
we'll be right back with more on the bygone era
of the A track right.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
After this.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
And things job Job. So all of this was being

(05:53):
developed in the fifties, I think as early as the
forties technically, but the A Trek really came into its
own in the mid sixties. And the reason why is
because the Ford Motor Company said, Hey, everybody, have you
heard of these eight tracks? Well, we're going to start
putting eight track players in our nineteen sixty six model
cars as a high end option, and as more and
more cars started featuring eight track players, eight track cartridges

(06:17):
just became dominant as the form of how you listen
to music outside of your home in a way that
you controlled, unlike radio.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, for sure, they were pretty cheap. There were two
to three bucks.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
The most expensive on record was The Beatles' Greatest Hits,
released in nineteen seventy. That was almost five bucks, four
dollars and ninety seven cents, which would be nice price, Yeah,
the nice price. That'd be more than forty dollars today.
So that was you know, that was an expensive eight
track for sure. It hit its popularity in the mid seventies.

(06:51):
And I guess we should talk a little bit about how.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
These things played.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know, you've got the magnetic tape that you described
inside on a single, and there was a little motor
that pulled the tape across the audio head to make
it make the sound. But you're probably if you don't
know what these are, you're probably like, what is the
eight tracks?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
What does that even mean? Each tape had eight tracks and.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
A sensing strip that told a solooid coil like, hey,
a program is over, which was you know, roughly two
songs and now it's time to switch over to the
next track.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
So when I said you could skip ahead.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Two songs at a time, if you hit the button,
it would it would pop forward the two songs roughly.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
So weirdly, I want to say just one thing because
I don't want us to get emails. I saw it
in one place that it actually had four tracks, but
there were two of each of the four tracks, so
they were in stereo. So two times four was eight.
I only saw that in one place. Everywhere else kind
of described it as eight different tracks like you just did.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
But that idea out there, all right.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So yeah, so this, this whole thing what differentiates it
from cassette is that it was it played continuously. It
was an endless loop, right, So I guess if you
pressed play, it would play the whole album over and
over again until you press stop. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? And the point is you didn't have to flip it.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
The downside of that as you couldn't rewind it or
fast forward it except for skipping two songs ahead. But
you couldn't go back two songs as far as I.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Know, Okay, so that was kind of one of the downsides.
Another big downside is that these tracks were not like
they just took an album and they cut it up
into four equal amounts of time or eight equal amounts
of time, I should say, right, So if one track
could fit one in three quarters of a song, that

(08:43):
three quarters of a song would fade out, it would
be a click, and then when the next track started,
it would fade back in. And people hated that.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Of course they did.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
That's very clunky, understandably so, but that level of clunkiness
really kind of gets across the just the kind of
attention to detail that was given to eight tracks. They
as far as technology goes, they were perfectly encompassed by
what they looked like, clunky, giant plastic key and just clunky.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I guess yeah. I mean it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
They deserved to be popular for a while because it
was such a revolution and to be able to listen
to what you wanted to outside of your home. But
the other limitations, you know, not rewinding stuff like that.
Apparently the internal components would fail a lot of times.
Like the cassette itself was very sturdy and long, lasting,

(09:38):
but the little motor and stuff that would fail your
car was famous for eating the tapes. They had a
lot of downsides, but that didn't outweigh up the initial
upside of being able to take your music on the road.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
No, for sure. I mean that was a big deal. Like,
I never was like this eight track sucks when we
were listening to Seren night Fever. So I mean it
couldn't have been that bad. But I think for people
who are like really into music, it was probably very annoying.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well, the irony is is that the cassette tape was
introduced in nineteen sixty five kind of.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Either just kind of squarely in the middle of.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Or just before eight tracks were at their zenith of popularity.
But they weren't marketed, like bands weren't releasing music on cassettes.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
At first.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was just like, hey, here's a cassette, and you
can record yourself at home and interview your parents about
what life was like in World War Two.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, do your own story core at home. Yeah. Yeah.
So people were like, I can start taping songs off
the radio with these things, and essentially it just kind
of avalanche from there. Cassettes took over because you could
fast forward, you could rewind, and even though you had
to flip the cassette the worst thing that you could
possibly have to do in the world. They were way

(10:52):
cheaper than eight tracks too, just to produce and to purchase,
so cassettes pretty quickly took over. And interestingly, this is
also happening at the same time with video VHS tapes
were overtaking Beta max and laser disc at the same
time too.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
What were you about to say, the worst thing you
would have to.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Do that was an addendum to having to flip a
cassette tape.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Oh okay, I thought you were going to say, if
the tape unspooled some you would have to put a
pencil or use your pinky finger to rewind the tape
and draw that magnetic tape back into the cassette.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I always had to use a pinky because I never
had a pencil, because I wasn't a nerd.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, I had one in my front pocket, my breast pocket.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
So that what else you got? Anything else?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Uh, just a couple of tidbits. It was a museum
for a little while.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
There was an enthusiast named Bucks Burnett in Dallas Texas
that had a museum because he collected him, and it
seems like it was open for a handful of years.
The largest collector now is a guy named Gary Hetzman
who apparently has close to one hundred thousand tapes. He
may have more than that, because that was twenty nineteen. Yeah,
and the most there's actually a very valuable one Frank Sinatra,

(12:05):
So it's called Sinatra Joe Beam, Frank Sinatra and Antonio
Carlos Jobim, which I bet is a great record, Yeah,
because they did a limited pressing. Of course, it's scarcity
that makes something valuable, and they only did thirty five
hundred copies of that one. And if you have one
of those, you can get a few grand for it.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Apparently, why not, what are you gonna do? You're not
gonna do anything to look at it, you might as
well sell it.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, get one of those Lloyd's players and put that
strap over your shoulder and go go down the street
rocking it.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I found another player too that I would actually like.
It was made by Panasonic. It was called the Dynamite
Plunger Portable a track player, and the reason why is
because it had like a like the handle was like
on a rod coming off of it, and then it
had like a well the thing that you gripped, and
it looked like kind of a dynamite plunger is heat
came in yellow and all sorts of great colors.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'm looking it up because I got to see what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
So, yeah, there was one for sale.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, okay, yeah, those are brad Man. Those are awesome.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
If I got into eight tracks, I would definitely buy
one of those. But I'm not into eight tracks, so
I'm not going to.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, I mean, there's no reason to Like, people are
into vinyl still because of fidelity is so great. There's
really no reason to buy eight tracks now unless you
just want a little walk down memory lane of a
sort of a creadier version of everything else.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
All right, right, well, I guess since we started walking
out memory Lane, we just walked away from the short stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
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