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August 26, 2008 15 mins

Some researchers believe that weddings between a human and a robot could be possible by the year 2050. Take a look at our HowStuffWorks article to learn more about robot rights.

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Charles Chuck Bryant, also staff writer here at how Stuff
Works dot Com. What up? Staff writer Chuck? Well, Josh,
I think, as you can see, I'm just snuggled up

(00:41):
with my real doll here. I did notice, Chuck if
wasn't going to bring it up. She is a looker.
She will give you that. Um, but she is what
poly ethylene? Maybe I don't ask you and she doesn't answer,
so I'm sure she doesn't. That reminds me of a movie. Um,
I haven't seen you. I've been told by several will
definitely see it. Lars and the Real Girl. Yep, I've

(01:02):
seen it. It's really good And how is this good
little indie. It's got Ryan Gosling. He's really great actor.
No spoilers, Chuck, I haven't seen it yet, Okay, okay,
go ahead. But the basic plot outline is that he
plays this lonely guy who gets a real doll. And
it's a real girl doll, right, Yes, is that what
they're called? And uh? And I had asked Samantha, but
she wouldn't answer. Um. And so he has this doll

(01:25):
in the in the town kind of just accepts it
as being his girlfriend. And it's worth Yeah, it's really
it sounds really creepy, but it's actually kind of a
sweet movie. Well you know that's uh, that's actually not
too far off, um from what some people are predicting,
is going to be uh part of the future of humanity.
Too far off at all at robot human weddings. Um.

(01:46):
And we're not even talking real girls here. We're talking
about real girls that like super and real girls, yes, exactly. Um.
And apparently there's this guy named David Levy who is uh,
I think some sort of future US maybe a roboticist.
But he he wrote a paper um based on research
he did in philosophy, UM, sexology, which to tell you

(02:08):
the truth. Until I read his article, UM, I didn't
realize it was an actual discipline. Um, robotics, of course,
all sorts of other stuff. Uh, sexology. It's like the
greatest word ever. It sounds like an MTV show, it
really does, or like a drink you get in cancoon right. Um.
So Levy combines all these disciplines together and comes up

(02:31):
with the notion that by um, some states, starting with Massachusetts,
deposits will allow human robot weddings marriages legally recognized. Yeah.
In fact, I believe he said quote it is inevitable. Yes,
he didn't even before that, though, another roboticists predicted that

(02:51):
by should not too far off from uh, people will
be having sex with robots, which I mean once you
start having sex with something, if you if, if somebody
eventually wants to marry it. We are a moral species. Yeah,
you could argue that we're not, but yeah, generally you're right.
Just like in Larger than Real Girl, he had a
lot of respect for his real doll and I don't

(03:12):
want to ruin it, Please don't chuck, But it was
it was a relationship based on, if not mutual, at
least one way respect right right. But um, with with this,
it's uh, it's with a robot, it's going to be
much more um mutual. I don't know about necessarily feelings
for for robots. I don't think we were going to
reach that point, but it will appear a lot more
mutual because they can program respect or at least things

(03:36):
that you can say that would indicate right right now. Um.
One of the things that's that's leading the way that's
going to be allowing things like robots that people would
want to have sex with or marry, um is like
this the skin that's being developed. There's a guy who
used to work for Disney. He's a roboticist who uh
created the skin that bunches and wrinkles. And when you

(03:57):
have lifelike skin, you can can a emotions through lifelike
facial expressions. Right once you start having that, you you've
got a really realistic looking robot. Yeah. I don't think
I'll ever go to the Hall of Presidents again with
the same eyes. No, exactly, Abraham Lincoln for the head
of Abraham Lincoln. Right. Um. This whole this whole issue

(04:19):
of possibly marrying robots and definitely having sex with robots
has has brought to the attention of some people. Uh,
the concept of robot rights. You have you heard of
robot rights? I mean the movement behind it. Yeah, I know.
Japan was is kind of at the forefront of this
whole thing. They are now, but they were lagging for
a little while. Um. At first it was just South Korea,

(04:40):
UM and Europe. Basically Japan was conspicuously absent from the table.
And they're they're at the forefront of robotics. They needed
to be there, so they finally caught up and now
they're they're all about robot rights. UM. And a lot
of people are kind of like, what is this, Why
would we even have robot rights? This is ridiculous as silly. Uh.

(05:02):
And to those people proponents of robot rights, say, you
ever heard of animal rights? Uh? Yeah, isn't that technically,
you know, a silly idea in the same vein, But
if you if you really think about it, these are animals.
But we've we humans have established rights for how we
interact with them, how we allow them to interact with
and it's accepted now. And I think a lot of

(05:23):
people years ago might have thought the same thing about
animal rights. Right as they do about robot rights, right,
and I think UM with robots, especially with robots that
can give like a lifelike appearance where we're really awful
things are going to come out of humans. You know,
Like if if you have a robot that can recoil
and horror or wins in pain, there's going to be

(05:45):
people out there who are going to want to like
kill them, like a drift or something like that. Right.
The potential for abuse is big, and it's yeah, real
abuse on a robot, but there's still something sociopathic about it, definitely.
But I I predict that once um lifelike robots are
available UM and produced on mass, I think there's going
to be a lot of awful stuff. And I think

(06:05):
that it's good that we're preparing for this now because
I think the first half of the century is going
to see an explosion in advancements and robotics. Yeah. I
think South Korea said a robot in every house by
the year Yeah, in that same year. Actually, the US
has said that it plans to UH supplement one fifth
of its battalions with robots, which raises a whole other question.

(06:28):
I mean, like, do robots that UM kill people are
designed to kill people. Are they afforded any kind of rights?
Should they exactly? Should they be free from harm? That
kind of thing? Right, It's really it's it's too much
for my brain to be honest. Let me get in
the driver's seat here, chuck the problem. So basically the

(06:48):
main argument is that no, uh, a robot that's programmed
to kill should be able to have harm done to it. Right,
Most robots that we're going to interact with aren't going
to be designed to kill. If you see a robot
that you know is designed to kill, you should turn
and run really fast. Um, because it only needs programmed
to do one thing, right, yeah, kill, kill kill Um.

(07:08):
So most of the robots we're going to interact with
will be helping around the house, serving in the sex trade. Um,
they already have those. Not the sex trade, although they may.
But you know the little the robots that clean the
floor and they do things like that, well, yeah, the
roomba and the scuba and all that kind of concept. Right,
these things are going to look a lot more lifelike. Like,

(07:30):
if you want one doubt Fire, you can have Mrs
doubt Fire working for you if you shell out enough cash.
So Let's say you you have Mrs doubt Fire is
a household robot, and Mrs doubt Fire is bringing you
a hot cup of coffee. Unfortunately, Mrs Doubtfire trips and
uh spills the hot coffee on you, and you get
up and react by smacking Mrs doubt Fire across the face.

(07:54):
Should you be penalized for that? Should you be punished? Right?
And I think that's what Japan and some other South
Korea are trying to work out, are the parameters of
what's allowed and what's not allowed, and whether or not
robots should have rights just like you and I. Right now,
let's say Mrs doubt Fire um doesn't trip, but she
walks up to you and pours the hot coffee on you.

(08:16):
Who's responsible for that? The magality, the manufacturer of the robot?
In my mind, I'm no lawyer, right well that they
no one has any idea. All these questions are totally
up in the air right now, and they're trying to
hammer them out. Um and and the whole thing kind
of goes both ways. Actually, humans are going to also
need protection from robots, which is where Mr Isaac Asimov

(08:36):
comes in, right Yeah, science fiction writer Isaac Asimoff. I
think first, uh, he was really one of the first
people to talk about robots and humans living together and
getting along or not getting along. And uh. He established
the three laws of robotics. I think in one of
his short stories, running Around. I think, yeah, Runaround, which
was actually in a collection of short stories called I Robot,

(08:58):
which Will Smith, as you know, made into a pretty
substandard film, which he borrowed from a couple of these,
and he actually used the three laws of robotics. They
refer to those in the film as well. You want
to give him the three laws, I will, A robot
may not injure a human being uh, or through an action,
allow human to come to harm. Great first law, Yeah,

(09:21):
A robot must obey orders given given it by humans,
except where such orders would conflict with the first law.
And uh, a robot must protect its own existence as
long as such protection does not conflict with the first
or second law. Right. And these laws just sound like
there's no way around him. Yeah. I was reading a
critical analysis of asimov um and basically the author pointed

(09:44):
out that I don't think he didn't think Asthmov thought
these things were water tight. He basically used to like
to use them as a theme to show how even
these really great cohesive uh closed system laws could threw up. Um.
Which is why nobody's going to go to Asimov to
figure out how to program robots in the future. But

(10:06):
we do need some some level of protection, like um
our robots just kept from interacting with humans altogether, Like
a robot cannot touch a human. Is that something that
that we would do? Um, there's and there's already you know,
there's been casualties. Um, there's been death by robots happened already. Uh.
The first one happened in two when a guy was

(10:27):
crushed on a factory line by you know, a big
robotic arm pretty not really but yeah, kind of um.
And then since then a lot of people have died.
Actually one one guy. The worst death by robot that
I've heard so far was um. Uh, a guy had
a enough of an amount of molten aluminum poured on

(10:48):
him by a robot that it killed him. I wonder
if he was trying to make a little robot buddy.
I don't, I don't know. Maybe, so we're hoping not.
We were talking about industrial robots. The thing is these
are isolated incidents, But what happens when there is a
robot in every house and not only Korea but the world,
These accidents could step up quite a bit, and you know,

(11:09):
we need to figure out how to how to address
them now before it happens. UM. And also, I think
a lot of roboticists are really worried about the moment
when robots are equipped with systems that allow them to
learn right. When that happens, they lose all predictability whatsoever,
and and we won't be able to tell what they're
about to do, what they won't do, that they'll be

(11:31):
as they'll be as unpredictable as humans. And you know,
when you're on the subway with somebody you don't really
trust your you got your like your muscles tensed in
your ribs for a knifeing. You know, the same thing
would happen with the humans and robots. And I think
so it's probably even a little more creepy because while
humans are unpredictable, robots, you don't know what they're programmed
to do if it's not your robots, right, and also

(11:53):
there's also issues of morality that would factor into that. UM.
You know, you like to think that most humans would
stop themselves from stabbing you even if they wanted to,
because they have some some sort of moral judgment. How
do you program morals into robots? You know? Um, it's
a it's a very big, sticky ball of questions. I

(12:16):
have to say, I am pretty glad that the people
who are trying to figure this out now are figuring
it out now, and there are a lot smarter than
I am. Exactly. It's it's kind of one of the
situations I would kick back and say, go to it. Yeah,
I would have no idea. Yeah, yeah, hopefully they won't
use their advantage to make us their slaves though, Yeah,
I agree. So that's about that for robot marriages. But

(12:39):
there's even more in the article that I wrote on
the site will Robots Get Married? On how stuff works
dot com? And stick around to find out how to
get water from a beach if you're ever strained on
a deserted island. Right after this stuff, you should know
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(13:26):
I'm going to tell these people. Already know you know
how to do this because it's based on one of
your articles. But I'm gonna tell everybody how to get
water out of a beach on a deserted island. Right,
it's called a beach. Well, yeah, and it can come
in really handy if you're you know, like a castaway castaway, Yeah, exactly,
go ahead and let him know I will. So basically,
if you you find it sand dune right and uh,

(13:48):
right behind it, you dig about a three to five
ft hole that's deep, right or wide? Uh deep? Okay,
three to five probably about a foot wide. Just you
can reach down in there. If you can, you on
a line the sides of the hole with wood to
keep it from collapsing. You want to play some rocks
in the in the bottom of it, right, and uh,
you basically just walk away for a few hours. Right,

(14:10):
you come back and presto, you've got about five gallons
of pure water right there. Presto, Chango. It's not saltwater,
you know, and you recommended in the article that it was.
If it was a little salty, just move back a
little further. And if you have a size twelve foot
and you ever find yourself stranded on a desert island,
just measure off a hundred feet and start digging there.

(14:33):
That's what Chuck recommends. And drink out of your shoe. Yeah,
that's a good one. Also, you can find a myriad
other ways to save your own life, not only in
Chuck's article how to find water in the wild, but
on the adventure channel on how stuff works dot com
for more on this and thousands of other topics. Because
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