Barry Meguiar on Sunday Service

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Lord, thy God in the midst of thee is mighty.
He will save, He will rejoice over thee with joy.
He will rest in his love. He will joy over
thee with singing. Zephyniah three seventeen. O Lord, my God,
you are in the midst of my life. You are

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the victorious warrior who has come to save me and
exalt over me with joy. You calm all my fears
with your love and refresh me with your word. You
delight over me and croon love songs over me in
the night season. And your tender love and compassion you

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gave me a new life and call me your own.
You take my hand and lead me in the way
I should go. You have taken away my punishment and
embrace me with your love. As I delight in you,
you delight in me. Glory and honor to my gracious King.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Thank you for listening to today's Daily Prayer. For more
inspiration and an incredible message from our feature pastor, stay
tuned to pray dot COM's Sunday service.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, good evening, I'm Alan Jackson. Welcome to Nashville, which
is best known as the country music capital. There's also
plenty of good music and great food to enjoy while
you're here.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
And over the years, I.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Have met so many talented people, not just from the
music world, but from all walks of life. That said,
our guest tonight was the first famous person I met
from the car and truck world. I'd seen his name before,
but never thought I'd get to meet the man behind
the brand. Berry maguire, Welcome to our show.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Thank you. I finally Lauren, you could take me now.
I finally made it on your stage last night and
hearing today and so I live at large.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
We are honored to have you.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
For those of you who might not know, Barry is
the president of McGuire's car Wax. It's the number one
car wax product in the country. You know, guys at
the car shows will tell you that this is the
one to use if you want to win a ribbon.
Barry's also the host of the TV show Car Crazy,
and he also has another side to his life.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
We're going to explore it a bit.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
He's the founder and president of Ignite America and the
author of a new book, Ignites Your Life.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
It's nice to see you again, sir. Awesome, awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Every time we get to chance Tugg and go so
fast because we are soulmates. I mean, we both have
this patient for souls. And now you're reaching millions, I
mean tens of ages every day. I mean, can you
believe where your ministry is?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, technology is an amazing multiplier. It's incredible, it really is.
You said something a recent podcast. You said that you
often listened to several sermons even on a Sunday morning
before you.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Go to church for a live Yes.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yes, I'm a junkie man, and you know the great voices,
and so I get up and I've got my repertoire
of who I was, so I'm well churched before I
get to church. I was saying, how many sermons have
I listened to? Last Sunday? Okay, last Sunday? I was
taking prolific notes. I mean it was a great sermon,

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and in the middle of it, I digressed for a moment.
How many thousands of sermons? How many thousands of sermons
have I heard and listened to and taken notes to?

Speaker 5 (03:41):
For fifty years? I've been taking notes.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Because you remember, folks, You remember sermons a lot better
if you take notes on them, and you use those
notes going forward. And I think one other subject deserve
in existence that you can hear about that many times,
that partially jerking your motions, pulling into your knees. And
eighty years later, ten thousands sermons later, I'm learning we

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can't learn the majesty of God. I mean as close
as we we get closer and closer, but the more
the closer we get, the bigger He gets in, the
smaller we get.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Right. I mean, it's just like.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
God, Yeah, how can we possibly know you like we
know and be loved by you like you love us?

Speaker 5 (04:26):
It's just it's incredible with it.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Our faith is not a hobby where we master a
set of skills and then we put on the show
and I'm curious, how did you arrive at a place
with a faith?

Speaker 5 (04:35):
It's that dynamic.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, I don't have any excuse I have. It goes
back for generations on both sides of my family. Great,
I won't go into it, but it's rich heritage on
both sides.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Of my family.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Frank mcgu started our maguire's Carwacks family business nineteen o one.
I have his book on systematic theology on my desk.
He devoured it and that was the man who.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Started my business.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
My mother's parents were both pioneer preachers in Texas back
in the late eighteen hundreds. And trust to God, I
mean all that came down to I knew them, both
sets of parents bless me. And I'm in church. I
was raised the church few you know, I mean, I
just I had it all. But all that, having said,
first year marriage, Karen and I are you know? I

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was trained well, so giving of our time, our money,
everything sacrificially. In all in all, in loving the pastor
didn't have any joy. And I would suspect that a
lot of folks watch.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
You right now are in that road.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
You know about the statistics say about seventy percent of
Christians are living in fear.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
There's no joy in living in fear without it. With fear, you.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Have no faith, and without faith you can't please God.
And of course faith opens the door. When you have
complete faith, then he says, and change one. I'll answer
your prayers, proverts. If I was I'll direct your steps.
You know, John fifty eleven, might joy be with you?
You're joey before. I mean, those are great promises, but
how do you get to wholehearted faith? And what I
never realized was that sharing faith and having wholehearted faith

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or two sides of the same coin. And I learned
that through a guy named Herbert Ellingwood. He was the
legal affairs secretary for Governor Ronald Reagan and going the
way back in nineteen seventy three, and I was seen
beside him at a luncheon, and for the hour before
he spoke, he talked to me NonStop about his faith

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sharing experiences. He never mentioned Reagan, and he was laughing
and sometimes crying and then laughing. And last night, you
never guess what happened last night. And I saw on
display Christian who was sold out to God, who got
his joy his energy from sharing his faith.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
That was revolutionary to me.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I never heard that before, And so Karen and I
shared with her after I as we were driving away,
I said, he I want what he has, so we
start sharing our faith in nineteen seventy three, Wow, and
doing it poorly, And and first of all, it took
all the programs. And I love the event, Thank God

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for all evangels and programs. I've led millions to the Lord.
I didn't do well with him getting this points down.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
This was too clumsy. I just didn't work.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
And then I read the scriptures. Whateverle scripture I'd read
a thousand times, they'll know you're my disciple by your love.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Well, now I can do that.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
So we decided we're gonna start loving everybody all day long.
Just love everybody and see what happens. Well, you know what,
when you love, that's God's Holy spirit.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Love flowing through you. I'm convinced. Now this is my theology.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I think it's true God's love, and I just love it.
It's salvation, but he loves us. He's salvationing us. He's
drawing us to him.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's why that's not just love.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's everything about God has bring us to him salvation.
And when we love others, it's He. If we allow him,
his holy spirits speaking through us, and we're salvationing others,
he's salvationing others through us. That means we don't have
secular conversations. There's nothing in our lives it's secular. Everything
we do is sacred, it all is.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
And then I come to.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Realize that everything we say and do all day long
is moving everybody watching us closer further away from God.
And that goes back to loving God and loving your
neighbors and self. He said, if you do that, that's
all you need. I don't ask anything else to do.
Well love if I love my day. I kept working
on that a little bit, and so I started realizing,
if I love my neighbors myself, I'm as concerned for

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their salvation as I am my own salvation. And with
eighty percent of people around us at adn't given moment
unless we're in church lost.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
You know what, They're not evil, they're lost. They had
ex shoes.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
They're lost, and they're going to stay lost because they're
not in church. They're going to stay and lost unless
somebody tells them, and we're not telling them. And that's
the reason for ignite. And I use the term because
when you do that, when you allow the Holy Spirit
to not not as you're reading a script, but you
just allow the Holy Spirit to give you the words
to say. And Luke Twelback, she says that the Holy

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Spirit give you the word says, so you don't have
to prepare, don't have to be worried, and you do
it routinely, but you don't want to talk about it.
But the average person so worried, fear, again. You know,
Satan fear not only paralyzes, it sterilizes us. It keeps
us so we can't reproduce. And that's why our numbers

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were not reproducing ourselves. We're just going down and down.
He doesn't want us to know that the most important
thing in our lives is sharing our faith. That's why
it's the great commission.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
It ignites us.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
He goes, well, and we've talked about this. You have
a gift for sharing a story with somebody and then
know that the outcomes in God's hands. So I want
to come back. We're gonna take a short break and
we'll come back and talk about that. There's a lot
more to we'll even get to some auto polish. I
promise it is an exciting time. We've got a man
who has a passion to see people find their way

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into the Kingdom of God, and he's a clever businessman
as well.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
We'll be right back in just a moment. We're back
now with Barry Maguire.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
He's a native of Paradise Valley, Arizona and a man
who's active in many ministries. You've spoken a lot about
being happy with your faith, but I know that that
came to you after some really tough times. You mentioned
the venture capital guy actually tried to throw you out
of your job, and then you spoke about your daughter,
that you in your life were lost to addictions.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I was dying in the hospital. God gave God gave
me a virus. He puts you through the fire to
build your faith, and he's done that many times in
our lives. When you realize he's in charge, it doesn't
bother you. In fact, when bad things happen to us, Kara,
I get excited and I say, Okay, what's he up
to you now? And you know what he always is,
because when we live for Romans eight twenty eight, and

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we know this, but we don't know we really know it,
he says, I promise you everything, even the batch say,
even when you lose your forty nine year old daughter,
I promise you everything will work together for good if
you do two things. If you love me and you
love your neighbor as yourself. Well that's not quite what
it says, but it is. It's the same thing.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
He said.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
That's all I ask you. You will fulfill the whole
law if you love your neighbor as yourself. Because if
you do that, it changes you. You realize everything I'm doing,
you're doing, folks, is impacting people. So the way you dress,
what you talk about, what you laugh at, what you
indulge in, what you partake of, all that you need

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to think will that bring them closer to Jesus? And
when you know God's using you that well, I wrote
a book on it. You know, ignite your life and
here's why. And the bottom line is, defeat fear with
effortless faith. About seventy percent of Christians are living in fear.
How do you feed it with defeat it with Efu's faith.
When you when you allow the Holy Spirit to speak

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through you as you're touching people all day long, if
only to say, God bless you. When they asked you
a question and you're ministry, the Holy Spirit gives you
the words to say, it's super natural. I have that
stereotype today thousands of people were doing that and or
maybe millions, with thousands that we know of. And when
you when you have that intimacy with God, you know,
Goddess He's at that moment, I'm right where God wants

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me to be and I'm giving the words, and the
life's changing. In front of me. I got to tell
you that's exciting. And that's why. Let me just say
one last cripture Isaiah forty three to ten. I love
the book of Isaiah's I know you do. Isaiah forty
three ten is particularly because he says, I put you

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as my witness, so if they'll believe, No, he didn't
say that, he said I put you as I would
so that you will know and understand and believe that
I am God. Because when you have that intimacy with God,
most Christians have never experienced that. They're on their way
to heaven, but they're not having fun. But when you
know you're right where God wants you to be, and

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your experience Him speaking through you, I got to tell
you that ignites your light and you have no more fear.
It's gone. You don't have to work at it, it's
just gone. And that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, every time I'm around you, your enthusiasm leaves me
fired up.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well, and that's it. We sharpen each other, right, so
you sharpen me as well. So it's what we do
as abody christ I just have I'm a layman. I
support what you're doing. I'm a third party endorsement for
your message. This is how I see myself.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well, I mean, obviously you have a passion around your
ministry and people can find more about it at ignite
America dot com.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Ignite America dot com will give you all the bells
and whistles and do we have time to talk about
this card?

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Are we at time?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Just real quick? You have this casual conversation. You're in
the line of Starbucks, or in the ale Walmart, or
in a waiting room where you you're surrounded by people.
Love on them, put your phone away, love on them.
They will light up. Tell them what a beautiful tat too?
Can you tell me about that too? They'll see you're
loving them, and within moments they'll start telling you and
opening up and give you and you have this wonderful conversation.

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Now it's over five six minutes. You're never going to
see them again. Then you say to them, it sounds
like you'd like to know more about God, Who's really
just what their appetite And they'll always say yes, yes,
I would that we have a card Seeking God or
is a huge website, and I explained that if you
go to this website, it'll tell you how much God
loves you, how he has a plan for your life,

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and he has a place reserved for you in heaven.
And they'll take this card. I can get all that
off this website. Yeah, and so you have no idea
how far that would go. But instead of just having
conversations started with you actually give them a path. It's
a valuable car that we have hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Of these out.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
It's certain free now it's free. You just go to
our website. We said, you whole back up free. It's
such a deal. It works, it really works well.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, some of the people watching, I suspect know you
from your auto polish. Yeah, and I think that story
is fascinating enough. Can we give them a short version
on that which one, Well, you didn't start the company,
You actually took something that.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
You're great now.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
My grandfather started making furniture polish back in nineteen oh one.
He was obsessed with creating a perfect finish and black
lacquer furniture and all the horses carriage manufacturers half when
we're in Indiana and they're all being painted with black lacquer.
They took us furniture polish without permission and put it
on his carriage that launched us. And the fun thing

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to me is now with thirty million car guys out
there where you are, the car guy's car wax. If
you ask any car our guy what's Maguire's most famous for,
they will tell you creating a perfect finish on black pain.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm honoring my dad's, my granddad's legacy. Is that cool?
Is that cool?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
What he started I'm still doing. And he honored God
and he shared his faith And here I am. I
just I'm blest them all, peep. I can't believe I
get to do what I do and every day have
these experiences, intimate experiences with God, and they're all around us,
and where we go, heyd you talk to, just just
just be kind to and don't just be kind because
we're good being kind, not mentioning God being kind.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
And then say and and God bless you.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And they'll look at you and say it with your eyes,
and you don't say God bless you, and they'll bring tears,
stares about half the time.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Bring they want to know God.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
They're searching for God, they're starving for love, and they
don't have a good.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Impression of Christians.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Most Christians are not Christians, are not Christians because of Christians,
because we're doing all kinds of things where the indulgence
is the language means that's Christian. You know, we're all witnesses.
Something is their witnesses for the prosecution.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, in a season when there's so much division
and anger and hatred, you're a living reminder with the
love of God can bring people together.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
And all those people and the politician you're hating everything,
God loves them. And they have an excuse. They're lost,
and it's our burden telling them they're lost because of us,
the church. What's our excuse. We don't have any excuse.
Have a running out of time, you know we are.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
In fact, we've got to take a short break.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Okay, you stay with us for one more book segment.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
But we're back, and my guest is Barry Maguire. Barry,
there's a quote on the back of your book, and
I want you to respond to it. It's intriguing to me.
The battle is not in our streets or in Washington,
d C. The battle is in our churches and in
the heart and soul of every Christian.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I believe it. Can you tell us what you meant.
It's a spiritual battle, isn't it? It is?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
And Satan's a full on attack on the church and
keeping us paralyzed, sterilized in fear, and he's laughing at us.
And when we have fear, we're offending God with saying God,
I don't trust you, and Satan's laughing. If that didn't
get you off your chair and get in and share
your faith, nothing will. And you know, most importantly, when
we get to heaven, the only thing that's going to

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matter is how many bottles of car wacks I sold.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
The only thing that we won't talk about car wax.
I love my business. The only thing will matter when
we're heaven, how many people are in heaven because of
our influence. It's about souls. Our whole life is about souls.
It's about getting ourselves to having God savings and tickets
to heaven. He made us for heaven, and then working
together with Him and led by Him to get as
many people into heaven as possible before we hear that trumpet,

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and quite frankly, they're left behind. And that's that's the
thought that should wake all us up and keep us,
keep us on our toes.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I've got one quick question. We're doing construction on our campus. Yes,
so I have to drive through a construction site, coming
and going every day.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
My car's black. Yes, I can't keep it clean. Yes.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Have you got a product suggestion?

Speaker 4 (19:16):
The everyday product that everybody uses and they use it?
We have one hundred. You have Sunday Fight products on
the shelf at Walmart. Okay, but everybody uses quick Detailer.
Get the ultimate quick Detailer because you can just spray
it real quick and it takes all that dust off.
But you need to do it regularly and it won't scratch.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
You spray it and wipe it. You'll keep your car
looking like it's detailed every day.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'll take it.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
I want to thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
You have reminded all of us that in the midst
of a very polarized culture, we're not powerless. We expression
of the light of God. Barry maguire, you're an inspiration.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Thank you, thank you, amazing, thank you, greatly honored.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I hope you'll come back again. We want to hear
more about your mission.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
We will be here, God willing in a moment. Stay
tuned we're going to read some of your emails.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
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Speaker 7 (20:34):
Here comes Eric My Texas. Welcome back, folkus.

Speaker 8 (20:37):
It is now my joy to speak to my friend
Berry McGuire. Berry, welcome back to this program. You're always
fun to talk to.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Thank you, thank you. We've been doing this for a
few years. I was checking actually back when I went
on the first time.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
I think it was like.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Fifteen years ago or something that or we've been doing
shows for a while.

Speaker 8 (21:01):
That's not possible because we've been doing the show for
ten years, but I'm glad it feels like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It really when the Million Man March was on in DC,
and I checked that it was like something like twenty
twelve or thirteen. But it was early. It was early
on when when we start. But anyway, we've been doing
it for a while and I follow you and my
You're my hero and bon Hoff for all the books

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are great, but your your letter of the American Church,
to me, is still the quintessential book that pastors and
Christians should be reading. We have to wake up, we
have to we have to start doing something. We can't
just sit back. And I'm afraid now with Trump in,
we have a lot of you are sitting back the
armchairs saying, well, Trump's okay, Trump's in. Now we go

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back and relax.

Speaker 8 (21:53):
You know what I said, you know what I've been
saying lately. It's kind of like it's kind of like, uh,
we think we're going to die. We think we're going
to die, and God parts the Red Sea and we go, Okay,
we're done.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
You're like, excuse me.

Speaker 8 (22:04):
Now you have to run through the parted Red Sea.
You got to get off your rear end. Yes, say
well we're done. No no, no, no, no. Now God has
done his job. Now you've got to do your job.
You're going to do your job. And listen, there are
many people listening to this program that have not read
my book, A Letter to the American Church, and there
are a lot of Christians in America that are not

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on this page.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
So we've got to keep banging the drum.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
And so I want to, of course talk to you
about what you're doing in your new book. You've you've
started this movement you call it. Well, the website is
ignite America dot com, Ignite America doctor. So people who
don't know you, yes, even before I get into that though,
I should say, some people know the name McGuire because

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your family for well over one hundred years. Yeah, been
in the car wax, isn't it McGuire harwackxres.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Since McGuire's but yes, since nineteen oh one. My granddad
was a Christian and he prayed, and it's a long story.
It's a God's story of a you know, a very
poor American family and trusting God. And it's it's amazing
just what you could do in America. Anybody can do it,

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particularly when you're following God's lead.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
And he did that.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
And I had my parents on both sides of my family.
My grandparents were godly, godly people. My mother's well, my
dad were pioneer preachers in West Texas and mit churches
all over the United States. So I have no excuse
I have heritage coming down on me. I've been taught
well and so I had an early start, and you know,
so I've been doing for a lot of years. Karen.

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I've been sharing our faith every day since we started
in nineteen seventy three. Okay, so it's fifty years of
sharing our faith there every day people say, you're eighty
years old, How can you have some excite?

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
We get to share a freak air cree jame with people.
And when you do that, it ignites your life. And
that's the title of my book that I brought out. Yeah,
gratuitous promotion of the book, but.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
There's nothing gratuitous about it.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
It's why you're on the program because I want people
to know your story. And the book is Ignite your Life,
Ignite your Life, and the website is ignite America dot com.
Now you bury, so people know your story. So your
family was in this business literally one hundred and twenty years.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
Ago, starting to Grand Flight.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, and one.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
Hundred and twenty four years ago.

Speaker 8 (24:44):
I mean, it's an amazing story how that it was
a furniture wax and that they would use it on
the carriages, the horseless carriages and then of course cars
that needed it whatever, and so it becomes this business
and you you are the quintessential car guy you go
to car shows. You've shared your faith because because people

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know you as this quint essential car guy.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
But you brought your faith into that environment.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, I really did you know? I was sharing care
and I were taught early on, so I mean, without
going into all that, but we were sharing our faith
and having so much fun that even though God inspired
me to go retail, we threw off the years we
buffed cars and body shops and leaderships. I was really
good with a machine polisher and filthy dirty body shops.
I'm buffing a car and making it look like a jewel.

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That's what we did all our company life. And then
God inspired me to go retail. And I said to God,
you know my favorite church are already is Proverbs three five.
Trust the lower of your whole heart, and don't depend
on your own understanding us. And for me it's easy.
I have no understanding of the retail market. I don't
have a clue, So trust you have a whole hearted me.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Be easy for me.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
But same time, I'm sharing my faith and as He's
working miracles starting and launched. We were actually launched in
the retail nineteen seventy three, and we're now the biggest
brand in the whole business. But we launched in seventy three,
nobody knew who were But we're also sharing our faith
prolifically in nineteen seventy three, to the point that by

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nineteen seventy six, I thought God is going to lead
me into full time ministry and leave my family business.
I'm the third generation leader. There's nobody else to lead
the business. We had about twelve people are about doing
about six hundred thousand dollars a year in business, and
so I prayed them with further prayer of my life.
I've told you this story before, but I just say, God,

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what do you want me to do? I'm gonna go
ministry or business, and You're going to have to almost
speak to me in an auto voice. So no, for sure,
I just want to be where you want me to be.
And about twenty minutes later, he said, a guy by
the name of David nut into my office. And I
had never met him before, or I knew him from church.
I knew he's a missionary kid. We never had any

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we didn't even exchange a glance. And here he is
in my office and asking me questions, and I'm talking
about sharing my faith that he says, God's given me
a wonderful ministry here, hadn't he? And I said, why
would you say after I just prayed this prayer, not
twenty minutes before?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
You know?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
He said, what's obvious. The pastor can't reach the people
you're reaching, folks, he's talking to all of us. Pastor
can't reach the people you're reaching. But as a businessman
you can. It's obvious that your business is your pulpit.
And our cried a few days. Wherever you are, that's
your pulpit. You're in full time ministry. You can't get

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away from it. I got tell you something right now,
and you can't get away from the rest of your life.
Everything you say and do for now until you see
him face and faces moving, everybody watching you closer or
further away from God. Everything from what you laugh at
that you shouldn't be laughing at, what you look at,
what you're indulging in the language that comes out of

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your mouth. What happens when you're excited all that we're
a whole package. And when you recognize that, you realize
you're in full time ministry, it changes you and you
do it not out of legalism, but you do it
out of joy because you have an opportunity to represent
God seriously. At this moment in time, God's given us
us gift to four years, hopefully hopefully four years. We

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need to be running this race that Eric has flowed
out for us. So clearly the church. But if you listening,
it's just a Christian. This is what God's called us
to do. And my business is nothing. Is I just
I didn't make it my pulpit. It's not my eye
shine for Jesus. It doesn't matter how many bottles of
car we're actually gonna sell. That won't be mentioned in heaven.

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What will be mentioned is how many people are in
heaven because of my influence or are because of your influence.
Nothing else matters. Nothing. Everything you do today will have
meaning mean lessen heaven, except for those that you pushed
a little closer to Jesus.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Well, that's see, that's I mean.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
It's the reason I love you is because you get
this that This is not we're not talking about being
religious folks. We're living your whole life in accordance with
God's will. And of course if you do that, it
affects everything. It doesn't just affect politics or where you
go to church. It affects everything, and so how you

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live your life in the business world, you know, on
the soccer field, whatever it all is. Speaking of what
you actually believe. And if you actually believe Jesus is
Lord and loves you and died for you and wants
you to be with him in heaven forever. If you
really understand that, not just in some religious way, but

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you really know it's true, it cannot help but change you.
And I think the first thing that happened to me,
I mean, I remember when I had my conversion in
nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
I wanted everyone I have what I had because I.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Thought this is so wonderful. And I now know that
this is the answer. Everybody's looking for answers in life.
Life is hard. This is the ultimate answer. This is
going to lead you to all the other answers. And
you have this kind of joy of wanting to lead
people in that direction. And we're not all the same,
we're not all going to do it in the same way,

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but understanding that that's God's.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
Will for us, We're going to go to a break here.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
But I want to remind you, folks, I'm talking to
my friend Barry McGuire. You may have heard of McGuire's
car wax. We just talked about that. But the website
is ignite America dot com. And I do think, Barry,
we're going to have national I think we're the beginning
of national revival.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
Something is happening in America.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Work.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yes, what you're saying is that this is what it's
all about.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
This doesn't mean we have to be talking about Jesus
every second, but we have to be thinking about him
and thinking about what is his will for me in
this minute? Can I share him or something about him?
Can I lead somebody a little bit closer?

Speaker 7 (31:08):
Capital Pe? So we'll be right back.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
We're talking to Barry McGuire. Welcome back, folks, is here

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from Texas Show.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
I'm talking to my friend Barry McGuire, who is telling
us about something kind of important.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Barry, it's, uh, this is very important.

Speaker 8 (31:46):
You have a book called Ignite your Life, and you've
you've just put out a book that's a devotional called
Live Ignited. Your daily nudge, is that what you call it?

Speaker 4 (31:59):
That's that you know? We all know what the nudge is.
Everybody watch us right now. They know what the nudge is.
The nudge comes, it's the Holy Spirit. Folks, Bob just
found out he has cancer. I need to call.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Him, but I don't know what i'd say.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I you know, I'm sitting next to somebody who's not
a Christian and they're pouring with the heart to you.
Happens to all of us all the time. They're complaining.
They say, I should ask Barbara if she liked me
to pray. Well, she'd think I'm a fool. We have
all these having place on our website. Most frequent excuses.

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There's about twelve different excuses we used to not share
a faith. But when you follow the nudge, you live
in the fog. You live in the favor of God.
When you follow the nudge, God's there. That's the Holy Spirit.
And guess what, you don't have to prepare. It's not
what you've been told. We've all been told you got
to pray, you got to prepare, you got to memorize,

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you got to recite it.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Birth. The Ardina Levis says, don't prepare. Luke trow Tras says,
let the Holy Spirit, the horse will give you the
words to say. And so when you're doing it, folks.
Let me tell you something you may never heard before.
But when you just love them, he says, don't know.
You might say, but bout your love, not by your
Bible smarts and memorization, and elected you just love on people. Everybody,

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the person next to you, in line at Starbucks, or
in the isle at Walmart, or in the waiting room,
we're on the airplane, wherever you're at, people around your lost.
They're all lost. The opposite of love is not hate.
It's just people just don't care. They just they just
don't care that people are going going to hell, and
we need to care. And we're their only hope. They're
not going to church. Where are they going to go?

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We're their only hope. Where I'd say where America's only hope.
We Christ's is not happening in the churches today. Eric's
got this great message and churches are popping up and
they do it, but we don't have enough. But we're
they You're surrounded by non Christians every day. And when
you share your faith, when you love on them, the
Holy Spirit uses you, folks, and you just rely on

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him and he gives you the words to say. And
that's that's intimacy with God. Right when you're speaking, you
know that God has set this meeting up in the
walmart where we're at, and he's giving you the words
to say, and person's life is changing in front of you.
That's intimacy with God. And there's a wonderful scripture to
Isaiah Isaiah forty three ten. He says, here's why I

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want you to share your faith. It's secondary to win
the lost. Secondary, it's primarily doing you Isaiah forty three.
Listen to it, Isaiah forty three ten. I point you
as my witness so that you believe, so you understand
and know and believe that I am God. This is
the fin out in that you know more. This is

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when you know because you're representing your sphere.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
This is such when you share this with me. A
couple of years ago, I thought, WHOA, this is such
a big point. So I don't want to glide over it.
What you're saying that that scripture it's Isaiah forty three,
forty three ten, and it says I've appointed you as
my witnesses so that you will believe.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You have believe.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Why do I why I have said fat? Why have
I not had fear in years. We don't. We fear
nothing because God's there and nothing can happen to me
unless God allows it. Why I you know, I've been
to the back, back to the wall in many places.
I was dying in the hospital. I lost my daughter, Nicole,
forty nine year old daughter.

Speaker 7 (35:42):
I mean, that's I mean, can you just say a
word about that?

Speaker 8 (35:46):
Because that most people think, Oh, look at this guy,
successful businessman, yacking about Jesus. He's never had any real problem.
You and your sweet wife Karen, whom we love. You
guys lost your daughter. Yeah, that to me is the ultimate. Well,
how do you deal with that without Jesus in your life?
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I held the service myself, means I knew half the
people there would not be saved their car, Guys that
loved Nicole and me. And we're saying, well, we used
to smile as he's smiling now. And I got out
there and I smiled. I wept, I still weave. Grieving
is good. The more we love, the more we grieve.
But you know what, she's in heaven. She's having a blast.

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And if she's having a blast, why should I not
have a blast? You know, she's in heaven, and I
gave that message. You know, twenty thousand people have watched
the video of Nicole's funeral. Twenty thousand people. You don't
watch a video, you know. But God used that. And

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here's let me just say this very quick. God's always there. Well,
he's always there. He promised that when you live for him,
he's always he's always is there, and he makes everything
work together for good Romans eight twenty eight that we
all know, but we don't pay that much sense to.
This is powerful. It might be the second most important
scripture in the entire Bible. He says, for now, until

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you get to heaven, I promise you. Everybody's promising you.
This is personal. I promise you I'll make everything in
your life work together for good if you do two things.
You love me and you live your life for my purpose. Well,
what's his purpose? There's no argument his purposes. He came
to seek and save the loss. It really is going back.

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What's the most important commandment?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Teacher?

Speaker 4 (37:38):
And he says, love me and love your neighbor as yourself.
And when you do that, you fulfill everything I require
you for your entire life. Wait a minute, what about
the ten or the one hundred. No, No, you just
do it. Why because if I love my neighbor as
myself everybody around us, if you do this, folks, their

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salvation is as important as yours. And at that point,
everything I do, I want to make sure I get
them to Heaven.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Mess around and doing stuff and watch my language and
indulgence as a due. I am going to love on
them by everything I do, and it changes me. And
that's when he says, when you do that, you fulfill
the entire law.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
We'll be right back talking to Barry McGuire.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
The website is Ignite America dot com. Meg, like misster
milk toast, you get shut out.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Meg.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
Folks, welcome back, continue my conversation with my friend Barry McGuire.
The book is Ignite your Life, Ignite America dot com.
And so, Barry, when you say ignite, there's so many
people that I think that they would say, well, I'm
a Christian, but they're not living in the fullness of

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what that is. And you know, and I know it
is God's will for each one of us to live
in the fullness of that.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
So when you talk about living this way.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
It's not just for those who don't believe, but it's
to encourage those who do believe to believe fully to
live their life with the joy and the hope.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
That's the Lord's will and he wants to use us
for them.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
And it's a powerful thing because I think there are
many people that they would say they're Christians, but somehow
they're not walking in freedom and enjoy.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
I just want to say on the.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
Record, folks, it is God's will for you that you
appropriate everything He has for you.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
He loves you.

Speaker 8 (39:48):
And what you just said about the scripture Barry, that
famous scripture Romans eight twenty eight, I mean think that
God gives us this promise. He says, every horrible thing
will work together for good for those that love me
and are called according to My purpose.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
He's with us and he will use our difficulties.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
And we all have difficulties that I don't know anybody
who doesn't. If you don't, it means you're very young
and dumb, and you will and if you have Jesus
with you in it become it can become a beautiful thing,
which is hard to believe except it's true.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, I tell you over there in the midst of turmoil.
Don't waste it, They'll say, what, No, don't waste it.
This is your testimony. This is when you know I
have a problem a little bit Eric, because people say
me as a businessman and a business, a pretty wife
and cars, and they say, well car, if I had
what he had, they don't know what I've been through.

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You know when I had my joint venture partner and
I found it the next morning, he's gonna throw.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Me out of my business.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
I was sixty five years old.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
You know the story.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
My life was over sixty five, It couldn't restart, and
he takes I can over my board and he's thrown
me out the next morning. And what did I do?
I fraighth the shortest fair.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
It was easy.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
I say, God, I asked you for nothing. I did
it the way I'm talking right now. I add it
because I've been through it so many times. I just
know he's there. I say, God, I ask you for anohing.
You know I live for your purpose every day. It's
not a gray air. That's what I do every day.
I move everybody every day closer to Jesus. And I
know you. Your promise is when I do that. You
make everything work together for good. And as he's listening

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to my voice right now, I crawled into bed. I
went to sleep immediately. I slept all night. I did
not tastit her. I got the next morning excited for
this worst moment of my life. And God turned it around.
About eight minutes. They were cussing me, gid you, this
and this. They were there so mad at me because

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they had me, and then they didn't have me, and
I had to love it.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
God.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I had nothing, but I had you, and that's all
I needed. You are my majority. You've got it under control.
How do we do that by living for His purpose?
This is a part of life. It's the one thing
you don't want to do. You don't want to share you.
I don't want to, you know, I don't want to.
It's got that's Satan. Satan doesn't want us to multiply.

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He's got us at ten percent of the populace. He's
happy to leave us there and keep us in fear
and fears from Satan. He's actually, what's the word when
you can sterilize this? We can't reproduce because of fear,
and that's Satan doing that to you don't let him
do that to you. Step out of your box. If

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you read our book good Night Your Life, you'll see
it's all about all the stories of how you go
through You just love God and you seize every opportunity
and the miracle stories every day. John fifteen eleven says
the last parable the pair of the fig tree, the
dry branches story. But the ones at bear Fruit, Ah,
they're in your my disciple, And you know what my

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joy Maine with you and your joy were main full.
I'm made three years old for I've never had more
joy in my life. And Gared I both we just
go and have have fun. And now we're meeting people
all over. If you go to Amazon reviews book reviews
on Agnite your Life, you'll see hundreds of reviews, hundreds.
They're all five star and they're all saying, I have

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a brand new life. I didn't know I could do this,
like they have a new toy. They didn't know it
that this is what he's call us. It's not an
add on. It's the one thing he's called us to
do because they ignite you.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Well's see, this is what's amazing is that this is
really it is God's will for us to have joy
even when things don't go well. Uh, particularly wants us
to have joy in people of that and to say,
you know what, my if things are well with my soul,
God will show me the way forward. And so folks,

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you know, if you're not hanging out with Christians or
going to a church that's walking in this, you're kind
of missing something glorious, something beautiful.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
And I think that it's very important to be around that.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
I mean, it's one of the reasons I think books
are important because if you read a book like the
one that you wrote ignite your life, you think, oh, oh,
what an amazing story. Oh here's another amazing story. It
kind of gets you thinking along the lines of.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Like, yeah, I kind of want that. I kind of
want a life like this.

Speaker 8 (44:33):
I'm going to start beginning to have faith that God
could do this and God could do that, and it
gives me opportunities to talk to people, to love people,
and it's the only way to live. And we need
to hear this over and over. This is not like Okay,
I got it and I don't need to hear about
it again.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
It is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 8 (44:49):
So finding a good church even being able to share
with somebody like you can you know when you say, oh,
I got to Jack Hibbs's church, you know about Jack Hibbs's.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
Church and Chino Hills.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
To be able to lead somebody say here's a great
place you might want to check out. You can check
it out online. You can go there, but like to
have that. We just Barry, have one minute left. Please
say whatever's on your heart.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Go to ignited America dot com. There's a ton of resources.
This is what God has called you to do, and
we're running out of time. We may have four years.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
This is the moment. Need to run the race if
when the Lord comes back. I want to be in
stride getting one more person into Heaven. Eric's voice and
my voice are exactly the same. He's more to the
church and I'm more to the individual. Where the very
same message. It's not about anything else, the one thing
we're called. And folks, when you get to heaven, the

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question is the apostle. Paul said to us, what will be
my reward? What my word? Mike Crow, when I get
to him, it's you, it's those of you. I led
to Jesus Christ. I led to Heaven how many people
will be into heaven because of your influence. That's the
real question. What a way?

Speaker 8 (46:00):
Well, I'm sorry at a time, but folks, you can
go to the website Ignite America dot com. The book
is Ignite your Life and there's a new one live
Ignited your daily nudge. Barry McGuire, dear friend and brother,
thanks for coming on this program.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Awesome, God bless you man. Hi, everybody, welcome back to Ignite.
I have a special, incredibly special opportunity right now to
introduce you to Dallas Home. Who I must say, in
my entire life, I've never known anybody that more represented God,

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that just walks with God. Is all In. Has a
crazy sense of humor. It makes me laugh, he makes
me cry. He has the most parfolter calls I've ever seen.
And he does the old facial way. Everybody's sitting down.
If you want to get save, stand up and walk forward.
Tak no MoES about it. And I've seen him in

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services where two hours later he's still praying. He didn't
just preaching leaves. He's there. He burns for souls. He's
but had some challenging things through his life. So I
just I want to introduce you to my money Dallas home, Dallas.
Is it fun that we're able to do this after
all these years?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I know, it's incredible. In fact, I'm sitting at my
desk in my office, so your picture of your family
is on my desk all the time. Every day I
look at it and I say a prayer.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Wow, So I love you guys. Well, we have those
pictures visible around our house. And we go back to
nineteen seventy, folks, we do nineteen seventy and it was
a goden thing. If I can divert just for a moment.
We were Nazarenes, built raised challenge by the Nazarene Church
and moved from Pasadena, California, to George County to Irvine,

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and there was not a Nazarene church around of any size,
and we were church mountains for a year until he
let us into on September thirteenth, nineteen seventy, into First
Assembity of God, Santa Anna, First Assembity of God. And
when we were walked in that morning, little did we
know that we would be there just about every Sunday morning,

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Sunday night, Wednesday night for the next thirty one years.
And it was very interesting that I just had a
reeltor forgive me to divert for a moment. Dallas was
to set the seed. It's a miracle story. I had
a realtor from Florida come up to me a couple
of years ago at a car show and he said,

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I understand you knew Brother Books and I said yes.
He said I sought him a house in Florida. I said,
I knew he hadn't what year sixty nine? No, I
didn't want embarrassing. I just live talking. He said yeah.
And then when he got back to New York. Dallas
knows and I both know well that Dave would do
one thing one day and then during the night got

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to tell you something differently. He was going to a
different direction the next day. Just followed not what we said,
but any of us said. He followed what he heard
God say to him. He would he would pray two
or three times, two to three hours every night, and
he heard from God and he calls the remgans, I
can't buy the house. And he says, mister rooksaid, brought
Pastor Wilkan to yours. You're at Scrow. You're committed, He said,

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I'm sorry. I can't buy the house. Why can't I
buy the house? Because God told me to move to Irvine, California. Now,
in nineteen seventy, Irvine was not a city. There was
no city Irvine Calivory. It was an incorporated area with
a couple thousand people. How does a pastor in New
York City tell anything about irvinell except that God told him?

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And when God told him, that's what he's doing. I said, so,
what do you do? He said? I got him out
of I said, why would you do that? He would?
David Werkerson tells you God told him he's got to
move to Irvine. What do you think? Yeah? I boreed
some strings. So he moved in and get this into
the same neighborhood we just moved into two blocks away
from us. But we didn't meet him there. And our

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sojourn going for church to church to church. He had
a son, God had a son. A sojourn of learning,
and we went through so many empty churches and finally
walked into it, the last church we'd never go into
us seb Ways of God. Are you kidding me? Pentecostal
speaking times, No, we're not going to go there. We
didn't know we were there. He just let us in
and the moment we arrived, we know his home. And

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afterwards we were introduced to Gwynn Wilkerson and our friend said,
I think you have daughters, don't you? Yeah, And the
baby said because Maguire's the babysitters said, oh yeah, that
work out. And we lived two blocks of each other.
Really about Dave was traveling every weekend, but finally about

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three weeks later we got to meet him and that
started world. I don't want to go off on that,
but he not only moved, but he moved his team
and Dallas. What is your sayed singer at Dallas home
and our church and we became friends. Oh. It took
us maybe two weeks or something after there and memories

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for those days Dallas.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, and the reason we moved out there, and this
is so typical brother Dave. I joined him January first
of nineteen seventy in New York. Worked with them, traveled
with them in the Wilkers Youth Crusades for those months,
but we were doing more ministry on the West coast
in California. We've come out almost every month and do
a great crusade at the Anaheim Convention Center. It's back

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in the Jesus Movement days. All the hippies were coming out.
Brother Dave would always give an indication there might be
fifteen hundred street people come forward at the end, I
need Jesus, I won Christ. We'd take him aside, pray
with them, talk with them, turn them over to Chuck
Smith because he was kind of the only church in
the area that really was specifically zeroing in on that group.

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And so typical Brother Dave, it's like, well, this is
where God is moving into a spectacular right, let's just
keep in the middle of it. Let's move there. So
literally left New York moved to southern California so we
could be right in the middle of all that God
was doing there. Of course, it was the movement all
over the world, but California, southern California, it seemed to

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really kind of headquarter there. The news media was picking
up on it, and that is why we didn't care
about that, and there was a lot of misrepresentations of
what was happening. But it was just such a such
a sovereign work of God, and Brother Dave wanted to
be right in the middle of it. So back up
your bags, here we go. So we moved right in
the middle of it. I'm so glad we did. I
always remember. My clearest memory is stand out, kind of

(52:37):
in the foyer of the church one of those Sunday mornings,
and Karen was there, your wife, and these two little girls,
cutest little girls, Michelle and Nicole, and I just love kids.
I've always loved kids, and especially Michelle and I just
kind of clicked.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
She wanted to be wherever I was, and honestly I
wanted to be wherever she was. So we had the
best time and still be maintained a marvelous relationship after
all these years. Something such a special young lady.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
You've been that second father to her, and in the
fun times you ministered to her. A lot of her
spiritual strait was drawn from you. Of course we're talking
David works in across the switch played fame and uh
found you having a challenge.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And can you see that there at that Mary, Karen
and Dallas on his motorcycle. Oh, here's Linda talking about
seventy Michelle and Nicole. That was in our house in Dallas,
probably at about seventy two. I'm thinking around that area. Yeah,

(53:39):
here's here's Dallas and his little friend Michelle on this.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Oh, I guess I.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Found those up this morning. I gotta gotta show you that. Yeah,
we go back a long way. You know, friendships like
this true friends in Christ are. There are no richer
treasures in all of earth. Obviously our salvation. But I mean,
you know you mentioned it when we were praying. We

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could sit here forever. We'd sit here for hours, talk theology,
doctrinal issues, methodology of how we witness, share a faith,
everything else. But the bottom line, when you boil down
all the volume of scripture and all that God's heart
is all about, it's very simple. It's answered when Jesus
is asked toward the end of his earthly ministry by

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this smart young attorney, Well, Lord, what's the greatest commandment?
They're really trying to corner them again, you know, ask
him something. Maybe he'd come up with the wrong answer,
and Jesus boils down the entire eternal intent of God's
heart in basically two lines, love the Lord to God,
love one another, love your neighbors, yourself, And in this

(54:48):
all the long and the prophets are fulfilled. And that's
why it makes even a conversation like this, Of all
the things we could discuss, bottom line is we are
in Christ, We love the Lord, He loves us, and
we have this call on our lives. And that's all
my life and ministry since I've been a Christian. That's
all that floats my boat. You know, Music's just a vehicle.

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It was never the end game. It's just the tool
that God gave me. How can I use this to
promote the gospel? Present the gospel now? On stage? What
happens on stage through all those years, those concerts, that's
one thing. But what happens on the street, what happens
in the grocery store, what happens at Walmart? You know. Well,

(55:32):
and when we talked the other day, I share this.
I mean this year in particular. And I don't know why.
I could just tell you that God has put upon
my heart challenged me be more intentional, be more specific. Look,
I mean when I get up in the morning, before
I swing my legs over the bed, I always have
just a little it's not my prayer time, but it's

(55:53):
good morning, Lord. Thank you for a good night's sleep,
thank you for your goodness, your blessings. Please let me
cross paths with one today whom I can show the
love of Jesus too. And it's not a method, it's
not a formula. It's not a here's the four steps.
Here's no, it's just I put it this way and
I got to stop here. I'll get preaching. But that

(56:14):
is great, keep going. It's so basic, it's so simple.
People are so intimidated because they think they've got to
be theologians. They've got to have a script, they've got
to have a method of program. You know, I always
say this, how would you how would you describe Jesus?
You know, how would you describe the personality of Jesus?
I think the best way is, well, he was a

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man of peace, joy, love, kindness, goodness, gentlest, faithfulist, patient,
self control. All that defines who he is. So as Christians,
I say, think of ourselves as carrying a nice big
basket of fruit around, fresh ripen fruit. And every day
we literally rub shoulders with people who are starving to death,
sometimes physically but certainly spiritually, relationally, financially, they're just starving.

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Will we not take out a piece of the fruit
and say taste and see that the Lord is good.
I just look for opportunities to just show love, to
encourage to be kind to someone. Just a couple of
days ago, I was that one of my favorite restaurants
and the waitress came up, lovely, young, Hispanic lady and
didn't look like she had a care in the world.
Beautiful young lady, Can I take your order? And I said, yes,

(57:23):
you sure may, and I talk. I always try to
engage and make them laugh if I can. And I said,
you know, when my food comes, I'm going to have
I'm going to pray and thank the Lord for his provision.
Is there any way I can pray for you about anything?

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
She just I mean she started to tear up, and
she said, well, pray for me at school. I'm kind
of struggling, and pray for my health. And I said,
I'm going to do that. I asked her name, and
I had prayer with her. Did I lead her to Christ?
Did I present a sermon at Nope? That really, in
a sense, is not my job. We know from Scripture

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it's a process. First of all, no one comes to
Christ unless they're drawn by the Holy Spirit. One verse says,
no one comes to the sun unless the Father draws them.
Another verse says, no one comes to the Father unless
the Son draws them, and the agent of drawing is
always the Holy Spirit, who is also the one in
charge of the regenerative process of salvation. But our job

(58:18):
is to sow the seed. We trust that God is cultivated.
We sow the seed. Someone else may water. Someone else,
you know, plants water. Someone is there for the harvest. Now,
you and I know that sometimes we're privileged to be
there for the whole thing. We start with someone in
a conversation and a few minutes later we're praying with
them to receive Christ. But I'd say that's the exception. Generally,

(58:43):
we're just part of the process that God is up
to in their lives. I love your philosophy that you mentioned.
Just every day, just move people just a step closer
to Jesus. That's so easy, it's so simple, it's so
I just love it. I wish I heard that earlier,
because for a lot of the years in my early
Christian life, I felt almost his condemnation. I'm not saying enough,

(59:05):
I'm not doing enough. I don't know how to do that.
I feel unqualified, I feel intimidated. All these Yeah, you
just like, well, who am I to go tell someone? Yeah,
it's not about telling them. There'll be a time to tell,
there'll be informational exchange. It's just showing them who Jesus is.
And it's so easy. Opportunities abound every single day, and

(59:25):
I just I'm so thrilled with You've always understood that
in your ministry. We've known each other a long time,
and I remember you saying through the years, the wax thing,
that's just the vehicle, that's just the platform for me
to minister to others. And God has taken you to
people at never going to come to my church and
never gonna come to my concert, you know. But in

(59:46):
the recent years now you see that that was all preparation,
that was foundational. All that was just stuff that God
was doing to prepare you for the ministry that He's
given you. Now, I'm just I'm so excited. I'm so
impassionate about it. Whatever amount of encouragement or ministry I've
ever offered to you, believe me, it's come back twofold

(01:00:09):
from you to me to at this point in my
life as a senior citizen on social security and all
that stuff to be even more impassioned, more intentional, more specific.
You know, if life is a mile run, I'm in
the last lap, well into the last lap. So make
it count. Make every moment, every day, every opportunity count.

(01:00:31):
That's That's what I'm about. That's my story and I'm
sticking to it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
You get it, well, We're in that We're in the
sprint lap. This is this is this is it right?
We're in that last lap. We were learning and we
get her technique down. But and you and I have
have have arrived at the same place to entirely different lives,
but we're saving this serve the same God. And the
horse fair has been perfected through my challenges, through your challenges,

(01:00:57):
but your heart's always been there. I I here, I talk.
Why do we have what we have? We don't deserve anything.
We deserve nothing right, And it's not because we're good,
and it's not because we've been obedient and all that. Well, Obedia,

(01:01:19):
I would take that back. It is because we've been
Obedia because from those days when we were together, you
and I and Karen and Linda have kept God is
our focus and through thick and thin, no matter what's
going on, we've kept him as we've just trusted him,
and we've learned from him, and we've had our failures
and ran whatever. But all of it is mold us

(01:01:40):
into what we are today. And it is God's truth.
It's not our truth and my truth, not your truth.
This is God's truth and his promise is true. And
he says when we live for His purpose, it's insane.
I just did a podcast on this. Love God and

(01:02:01):
love your Davids yourself. They' that's what it is. We
don't need anything else. There's nothing he Elsey requires of
us and nothing, and when we get to turning, nothing
else will have any significance. It will not matter how
many bottles of car Waks I sold when I get
but it doesn't not gonna matter. It doesn't matter how
many industries I support. It doesn't matter how much money
I give it away. None of that matters. The only

(01:02:24):
currency in heaven is souls. We can work well. I
see people so exercising, aggressive, active Christians, fighting for causes,
fighting against abortion, whatever, to the point where it consumes them.

(01:02:44):
It's like it becomes their God. And they're so militant,
and they're even hating the people on the other side
of those issues that God loves as much as he
loves us, and they're seeing hate coming from a Christian God.
God loves character. Might discoveries here. God loves the people.
We hate. Hatess not part of our vocabulary. We have

(01:03:08):
to love it no matter what. But when we do
that every so if we do, if there's one more
person gets to have it because of our love, it's
worth the day. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, And sharing our faith should be And I've always
known this intellectually and I've never been I've never been
afraid to share my faith. But again, there have been
times I've missed opportunities because you know, I felt that
nudging of the Holy Spirit. Bell. They're going to think
I'm crazier. They I don't know exactly what to say whatever.
We find all these excuses, but the reality is sharing

(01:03:39):
our faith should be the most natural outflow, reflex response
of our relationship with the Lord. And if it's not,
then and that's what I'm doing this here. It's like
I'm checking myself, Okay, if there's any reason why that
isn't just the natural response of my life daily, something's wrong,
there's some area of pride or self centeredness or I

(01:04:00):
have that when there's no condemnation in that, there's therefore
now no condemnation of them that in Christ Jesus, it's
just God's loving discipline and instruction to say, Dallas, let's
check here, because all you got to think about is
just sharing my love Sharon, who I tell them, show them.
You know you mentioned something before how we got to

(01:04:20):
this place. And I'll try to make this real short,
but I think it's beneficial for especially for people. You're
a little older than I am, but I'm I'm in
my late seventies now you and I don't know. But
even in the church, in the Christian community, we've let
so much of the world's philosophy bleed into what we

(01:04:41):
do that it's all about success, numbers, spreadsheets, achievement. You know,
in the world of law, when you become a partner,
if you're in medicine, it's when you get published, if
you're in sales, it's quotas in music, like me, it's
certain standards of number one songs or charting or gold
records or Grammys or whatever else. So I'll just say

(01:05:03):
this real quickly. Thanks to the blessing of the Lord,
there was a season where I achieved all that top
of the mountain, but nobody stays on the top of
the mountain forever. God brings us to the top of
the mountain for that perspective, but then he brings us
into the valley. Life has lived in the valley. So

(01:05:23):
probably about twenty years ago, when you know, the the
crowds weren't there anymore of the records weren't telling them
as much. I kind of jokingly say, now people come
up and say, hey, didn't you use to be Dallas Home?
You know, you're kind of you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Know, yeah, if you're in the body of Christ, you've
certainly heard the song rise again. I listened to the
Gaither channel on serious radio. If that song codes up
at least cover every time you go, Harry yells, there's Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well, God used.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I've written so many songs, but one that breaks me
with just you and the guitars.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Here we are, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, and your presence lifting Holy hands to you, Holy
hands to you breaks break. There came that time where
all that quote success, what would seem to be success,
that's all kind of going now downhill. I don't know
a number of years ago, I mean I actually came
to this point where I remember one day kind of saying,
am I just another old guy on the downhill side

(01:06:26):
of life? Do I just ride off into the sunset
like Roy Rogers and Dale Evans? And I was reading
Charles Spurgeon's devotional that year on Morning and Evening, which
is one of my favorites, and that particular day I
read this from Charles Spurgeon. He said, when when the
children of Israel marched through the desert, the Levites marched
out front. Many of us, in our youthful exuberance, once

(01:06:47):
marched at the front and won many souls to Christ.
But in our latter years, he calls us to a
more important place, and he moves us to the rear,
and we become as the tribe of Dan, and we
pick up the wounded and the weary and the enfranchised.
And within a week of reading that, I was up
in the mountains of I think it was in Pace
in Arizona. Actually, little church. About fifty people showed up.

(01:07:09):
I mean, I'm going to sing a minister no matter who.
But I've done concerts in Madison Square Garden, the La
Sports are in a you name the venue. I've probably
been there now fifty people in the mountains of Arizona,
and there's a little something in the back of my
head saying, man, you've come a long way down the mountain.
But at the end of the concert, this lady brought
this elderly gentleman. He's probably in his eighties. She said,

(01:07:31):
this is Daddy. Daddy's gone to church here all his life.
Every Sunday, we say, Daddy, do you want to give
your life to Jesus? Nope, she said. He's heard every evangelist,
every sermon. Do you want to give your life to Jesus? Nope,
she said. Tonight, he turned to me and said, do
you think if I went down there, that man would
pray with me to receive Christ? And he's just crying

(01:07:52):
his eyes out, had a black suit on, a nice
little red tie, white shirt. He was dressed up, you know.
And I was able to pray with him to receive Christ.
But here's the point. I got this sense of God
speaking to my heart. We all have different ways. I
didn't hear an audible voice, but it was like God said,
you see, all that other stuff was just preparation, preparation,
all that stuff that the world called success. That was

(01:08:14):
just preparing the foundation. Now you're qualified to get this guy.
And the next night, about fifty miles down the row
of the same thing, a little church, elderly gentleman as
eighties came down. He said, would you pray for me
to receive Christ? And it's kind of like God putting
an exclamation point on it. This is what I really
care about. Getting the one. Remember the lost sheep leaves

(01:08:35):
the ninety nine. Just go get that one. That's everything.
That's our task on a daily basis. Find that one,
Move that one a little closer to Jesus, Share the
love of Jesus, share peace, share kindness, goodness. May it
lead to a conversation, may lead to leading them to Christ.
Yet it may, but it may not. But you're you're
to be part of the process, either the cultivator or

(01:08:56):
the planet, or the water or the harvest. Duration.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
I was walking out of church at a huge service.
It's packed several thousand people and we're down the front.
We're always the last ones to leave a little church
for the last one's leave. We now we go to
a big church for the last one's leave. And as
we're going out the door, I looked back and there
was a couple, an older couple, praying together. It's a

(01:09:24):
cavernous church, balconies and the musicians are all gone. They
clear up the stage, they cleared the trash. They're very
proficient and doing all that. And I'm almost to the
door to go out, and I look back. I'm talking
to engage the conversation. Look back, I see this couple.

(01:09:47):
I told the I'll tell you, I just got yanked. Okay,
I can't do this. I saw him. I saw them
a little bit when I walked by, but I was
engaging conversation. And then look back as always said sorry,
I just got you. We caught the nudge and incredible conversations.
One of the church serves that moment lit me on fire.

(01:10:11):
It's what it does for us. We have this privilege
and we may be the first or of the twentieth person.
We don't know how many we're We're part of it.
It's a team sport. And back in the day, if
I didn't get him, say it on the spot, I
was a failure. Were you God what I needed you?
What's going wrong? I get mad? It was so wrong?

(01:10:32):
My armor God puts up with this. You know he
just shakes his head.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Oh and you know you just that moment. And we
don't have to prepare for that. I don't care what's
going on. We don't have to prepare. And in our
secular conversation, we don't prepare. I wonder what they're gonna
ask you. What are they gonna talk about carwork? What
are I gonna say about carwork? I know that it
just comes out. It's a holy spirit. So anyway, are

(01:11:00):
our theme is move everybody every day close to Jesus.
But beyond that, we say our goal is to ignite Christians,
to ignite America the revival, one person at a time.
And you have some great stories on that, and we're
out of time. Can you come back. Let's do another

(01:11:20):
one of these. Can we do that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Sure we can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Okay, Sure, let's we'll after another one of these. Okay,
stay tuned, folks, and we'll be back with more of
my Buddy Dallas home. God bless you, welcome back to
ignite here by Buddy Dallas Home. We have been buddies,
literally buddies since September of nineteen seventy. Dallas, of course,

(01:11:45):
was the crusade singer for David Wilkerson, and we've covered
all that, of course, but then of just his fame
and demand for his own personal ministry led him into
doing and he's traveled the country ever since. And I
have been in so many of those services and being convicted.
You've got me saved again several times. We're talking about

(01:12:09):
Sherry Fad. That's what this is all about, folks, and
how much fun it is. It is fun, and Dallas,
I've been doing it all our lives and we have
so many stories. We're going to get to some of
those in a minute. But you said something off camera which
struck a chord with me because it's like, how many
did I miss? I try to take an inventory at

(01:12:31):
the end of the day. It is move everybody every
day closer to Jesus. That's our goal. It's not find
one person today, not all the people you're going to
be with today that are on their way to hell.
How do you pick one? How do you pick the
right one? And we don't have time for that anyway.

(01:12:53):
I mean, we need to move everyone every day closer
to Jesus. And here's something you may not realize. Do
you know that most non Christians are non Christians because
of Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Well, tragically, yes, And I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
That because we're not sensitive that everything we do and
say is moving people closer further away from God. You're
in full time ministry. We all are right. And for
the moment you get up the morning time, you go
to bed tonight, everything you say today, you can't get
away from this. Once I tell you this, you're stuck.
Everything you do and say today is moving everyone watching

(01:13:34):
you closer further away from God. Yep, that changes. It's
a life change.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
And a lot of times, you know, you hate to
say this, but a lot of times, and like you,
I've run into so many people through the years and
it just breaks my heart who have such a hardness
and a resistance to the Lord or the things of
the Lord because someone represented him so badly, and often
it was in a sharing the faith context, because they

(01:14:00):
got in their face, they had a method, they had
a plan, and it was so it was so unloving.
We got trophy hunters out there, that's what I call them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Folks. I hear this, hear this. It's not an argument.
You don't cast your pearls before swine. You just you
just you can't force people into Christianity. It's you said
it earlier. It's the Holy Spirit drawing them. And you
may be at the very beginning of the Holy Spirit
drawing them, or you may be down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Business.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
The thought that the comment you made, that that makes
me laugh and sad at the same time, is this
thing of how many people do we miss? Some days?
I feel like a pinball machine over there's four face
sharing I mean, poignant, life changing face sharing experiences in

(01:14:54):
the span of two three hours. And I'm wondering, if
I was more attentive, would that be happening every day
of my life? Or was it that I just just
God setting it up At that I don't know, but
I do suspect that God sets up They are planned,
our steps are ordered. He he does plan these these

(01:15:17):
interruptions in our live divide interruptions. And I wonder how
many times I miss it. I'm right there and I
and I miss it, and I'm picturing God going I
work so hard that very just blew me off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah. Now, in the the ultimate sovereignty of God, there
are no accidents, and there are no coincidences. He either
is the God we claim him to be, and more importantly,
whose scripture claims him to be. We easily say God
knows everything, well, does he? Or doesn't he?

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Absolutely, he's God. So these these things are ordered of
the Lord. He's got a plan that is so civic,
so minute, so moment by moment, and you know, fortunately
he's merciful and grace gracious, and sometimes we miss it.
And again there's no condemnation, but the loss is ours
when we miss the opportunity, you know, because we miss

(01:16:14):
an opportunity. God's not going, oh boy, well I can't
help that person out. No, God loves that person, but
we've missed the opportunity and the blessing and the h
I guess I would say the opportunity to store up
another treasure in heaven, which isn't an egotistical thing, because
what we store up in heaven we're going to lay
at the feet of Jesus. This is going to be
our way of honoring him. You know, I wrote a

(01:16:38):
praise letter and I thought this was We sent it
out every other month, and I just got it mailed
to myself this morning. I'm on my belly liss so
I can always check and make sure, the grammar's okay
and all that. But I ran across this line just
before we started these podcasts, and I thought if people
could get this in their head, it might help them
a little bit. It just says, this is just a
little paragraph out of it. We are all aware of

(01:17:00):
the many who perish daily all around the world due
to war, famine, crime, and disease. What if somehow there
was a daily death toll posted that accounted for all
who had perished without Christ. What if that list contained
the locations of those who died. How many would have
perished in astonishingly close proximity to where we live. What

(01:17:22):
if there was a death toll we could a list
we could look up our computer. This many people died today,
not just in the world, but in our own community,
in our own neighborhood. This many. And we're aware of this.
I mean Lynn and I. You know, a couple of
years ago, as we got a little older, we started saying,
every time the phone rings, okay, who's got cancer? Who died?
Because as we get older, as we move along, more

(01:17:44):
and more people are perishing. People are perishing all around
us all the time. If that doesn't you know, incite
us to do something, say something, be Jesus. I don't
know what will. It's just it's astonishing how much I'll
be real careful here. We talked about this the other day.
I'm a church person. I believe every Christian should be

(01:18:06):
in a good Bible teaching community of believers. Question, but
I've traveled this country. I've been in twenty two countries
around the world. I've been in every denomination you can
think of, literally, from Catholic to Quaker and everything in between.
So it's given me a pretty unique perspective on the
church little see and how it operates. We spend bazillions

(01:18:27):
of dollars to get the most degreed intellectual pastor, the
most talented worship leader, the most innovative programs, the greatest technology.
We've got all this going on, and we do so
miserably poor in reaching the loss outside of the walls
of our church. The church is not to be, as

(01:18:48):
I study scripture, look at the New Testament church model.
That was not an evangelistic soul saving station. Now, certainly
there were people who came in, were invited by family, whatever,
and they heard the gospel and they came to faith
in Christ. But the church's job is to equip us,
you and me, believers, build us up with the knowledge
of the Word, so that we have a content, and

(01:19:10):
then get out of the church and go make a
difference for the Kingdom of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
De being done. It's almost non existent today, and it's
the It's not only one of the most so it
is the thing. It's the only thing got causis to do,
and we're not doing it. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
All the things we could discuss and debate again theologically, doctrinally,
a lot of issues in scripture that you are not
real clear. Things that scripture is silent on that we
can only kind of guess at. There's one thing that
scripture is absolutely not silent on. And at the very end,
it's like an exclamation point at the end of christ
ministry on earth. Oh this one last thing, guys, disciples.

(01:19:51):
I want you to go into all the world and
preach the Gospel and make disciples. One translation says, when
you look at the original language, it really needs a
little better to say as you are going. In other words,
it's not a it's not a command to geographically move
from here to there. Not it might it might entail
that to go might mean across the ocean, might mean

(01:20:12):
across the street, across the table, across the hallway. But
I like the translation that and as you are going,
In other words, in the course of your day, as
you're going, as you're moving about, as you're living your life,
preach the gospel. Now that's not a sermon's not a
homological presentation. It's just share the truth of the good News. So,
as someone said, the loudest sermon you'll ever preach, as

(01:20:34):
your life, live for Jesus, and then make disciples. And
that's where we, especially in the church, fail miserably. We're
not replicating ourselves. We're not discipling men and women, showing them,
teaching them, exampling to them. What does a Christian look like?
What are Christian values? How do I respond to these
areas of as.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
You are going? And that is as you're going in
your regular life. It's not that you decide I'm going
to go on a missions trip. I mean you may
do that. You may talk about every day as you're
going throughout your regular life. Breakfast this morning with your family,
you know, interacting with your boss and your employees and

(01:21:16):
your workers, and meeting people at Starbucks or it goes
on and as you were going, realize you're in full
time ministry. Nothing secular for you, there's nothing secular, right,
and even the Christians around you need ministrying too, So
it's it's a full full time I mean, this is

(01:21:36):
this is what it's about. And it makes like we say,
every day's an adventure when you're watching for it and
you receive more back than you're giving. Yes, because I
mean every time you walk away from that and you've
you've even had one experience, you know this, you're probably
talking about five years since you did it. After it
was I was so excited, was so excitedle Then why

(01:21:58):
don't you do it every day? Right? You can do
this every day, and we're running out of time. We
need to be doing this every day. Eighty percent of
our population America lost and I know they're doing crazy things,
but they have an excuse. They're lost and they're not
going to church and their only hope is you us,

(01:22:18):
We're their only hope. They have no heart apart from
Christians loving on them, they have no hope. Again, the
help of love is apathy. Is that Hey, it is
just a genius. Don't care, right, God, help us to care,
help us to move everybody every day. Of course it is,
that's what this thing is. Get ignited and start having

(01:22:40):
some fun, be like an explosion in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Well, I love the point you made. In fact, just
in the last few days, as I was thinking about
praying about, you know, doing this podcast and what do
we talk about and what's important what's non essential, that
was one of the main things I thought about because
I realized, especially after I quit touring, still take a
few dates, but as far as touring, I just don't
do that anymore. I toured for fifty years and God

(01:23:05):
just kind of closed that that season.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
By the way, your podcast, how do we get to
your podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Folks?

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
He's an incredible podcast. You've gotta you've gotta got to
enjoy it. How do they find your podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Very quick? Oh, it's a Dallashome dot com is our
website and our podcast comes out every Wednesday. It's called
here we Are your favorite song? Yes, and my daughter
and I usually do it. We'll have everything. We got
some throwback videos back from the seventies, old videos that
we throw in. So it's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Real life spirits ministry. It'll bless you podcast Dallas does
leave you tears. I mean it's from the heart, it's
it's holy spirit driven.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
So what you said about sharing the faith is not just.
I think we've done damage to the whole concept of
the statement sharing the faith because that that has been
often ill defined as well. That means you go on
a witnessing campaign, or you pass out this piece of information,
or you do this, and it's only to the lost people.
What I find myself is I probably am sharing my

(01:24:06):
faith more with Christians or wounded Christians that I am
non believers. It's not up to me to sort out
which comes across my plate. But as I've stopped touring,
it became real obvious, probably in the last year especially.
I'll get a phone call, I'll get a letter, I'll
get an email. I'll run into someone, just just a
week ago, a gentleman, and I don't know if he's
a Christian or not. We just met. We started to talk.

(01:24:30):
He knew who I was, and he said, would you
be willing to just meet with me for lunch? He said,
I've never been disciples, I've never had anybody just kind
of walk me through the basics, And I said, yeah,
next time we get together, which we've got a date
set up. Let's go grab lunch. Now where that will
lead I don't know, but I think he's a believer.
But he's a wounded believer that's walking on, you know,

(01:24:52):
spiritual crutches. He just he's not real. You don't have
a firm foundation. And more and more, an another man
called me not too long ago, would you would you
help me to understand how to teach scripture? How to
how to be how do you say that? How to
be the man of God in my house? How do
I how do I share the Word of God with
my family? I said, absolutely, Let's just sit down. It's

(01:25:13):
so easy, it's so practical. Don't think you got to
preach sermons. Just again, it's just that sharing love.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Oh ye, my disciple, by your love, not by your rhetoric,
not by your building quote scripture, by your love, when
God's love flows through you. And I point out the
most prolific of all face sharers are new Christians. Yes,
and they don't know scripture. They have the love of God.
He's their first love, and the love of God is
flowing through them, and they're changing lives all around. Not

(01:25:43):
because of their expertise in courting, scripture or knowledge, just
God's love speaking through them, supernaturally speaking through them. I cared.
I you know, I mentioned our age, and we don't
feel old. I mean, we feel like we're in our fifties,
but our wifes are changing. For we have four four
funerals in ten days right now, I mean our drop

(01:26:08):
what's happening. But the fact the matter is that we
need to make sure everybody's in the right place, go
in the right direction. And I don't have one regret
of saying I should have talked to them about the Lord.
Everyone's that happened. Oh I knew I should have got back.
I missed it. That God nudged me and I didn't

(01:26:30):
do it, and it breaks me. We have these opportunities
every day, and I love what what Peter said to
the Thessaloni, and he says, so what do I get
out of it? I've com put in my words, So
what do I get out of it? Well, I what
would be my rewards? We hear about crowns and rewards.

(01:26:53):
So he's some the people that he led to the Lord,
and he says, so.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
What do I get out of it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
It's you it's you my crown. My rewards in heaven
are those I led to heaven, to Jesus Christ. That's
my reward. What will be your reward when you get
to heaven? You are rewards, And get off the bench,
into the game and start having fun and the rewards
will be innumerable. You can't stop it. It's just it's

(01:27:20):
now and later because right now you're going to be
heaving at the time of your life. Listen to us,
and we've been through some stuff, both of us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah, well, and you said some of a moment ago.
It it triggered a thought. When we were brand new Christians.
I say it this way. When we were brand new Christians,
we did so many things. So right now that we're educated,
mature and down the road, we do so many things
go wrong. Initially, we had an unbridled passion. We didn't
care what people thought of us. We didn't care what

(01:27:48):
it costs. We had just fallen in love with the
King of the universe. What do we care about anything else?
And we just shared our testimony. We shared our faith unapologetically.
Now some people say, well, but you know, that's just
a testimony. The operative word. There's just well, that's just
a testimony. In the Book of Revelation Inspired by the

(01:28:08):
Holy Spirit, John writes this, the enemy is overcome by
two things. Number one, the blood of the Lamb. Yes, okay,
what could possibly be on the same shelf, the same
level as the blood of the Lamb. And he says,
the word of our testimony. Never ever, ever underestimate the
power of a testimony. It's not our ability to articulate.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I try. I was good at grammar. When I speak,
I try to speak intelligently. I try to articulate well.
I try to use the English language, hopefully with some
degree of mastery. But the packaging of the message, Paul said,
I'm not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power,
not my presentation of it, inherent in the message of
the Gospel. And I don't mean message as in just words,

(01:28:54):
but the gospel that we preach, that we show, that
we demonstrate, yes, that we speak the power that is
inherent in the message itself. Just share Jesus, Just share
the Gospel, share your faith. The power is inherent in that.
I believe, when the Holy Spirit of the Living God
dwells within us, which every true Christian is endwelt by

(01:29:15):
the Holy Spirit Romans eight and nine. If you have
not the Spirit of Christ, you don't belong to him. Now,
if you turn that sentence around, if you have Jesus,
you have his Holy Spirit. So the Holy spirit's resident
within us. I believe that when the Holy Spirit of
the Only True Living God is resident within a physical body,
there's a spillover effect. You can't just contain it like, oh,
he's in there. But people know, even without your talking,

(01:29:37):
people know there's something different going on here. I knew
that when I was a sinner, when I was lost,
there were people that were full of God's spirit, love
and kindness, and it kind of drove me nuts sometimes,
But that was the power of God. And we have
that within us. Then when we can take and articulate that,
And please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I believe we
must be built on the foundation of the Word of God,

(01:30:00):
because yes, it's kindness, it's joy, it's exampling out. But
as you do this, there's going to be conversations that ensue.
There's gonna be questions that will be asked, specific questions.
We need to be able to give an account, to
be ready in season and out of season. As Paul said,
always be prepared to respond. But when we just come
up to people hit them over the head with the

(01:30:20):
Bible or we had some program or some method, it
is i would say, generally counterproductive. They just want to
see Jesus. Everybody, well, they really know who Jesus is.
Everybody loves Jesus. How could you not love someone who's
the absolute embodiment of love, peace, joy, kindness. But they've,
as we said earlier, they've been impacted so often by

(01:30:43):
representatives of Christ who didn't know how to show the
love of Jesus. They had an agenda. They were trophy hunters.
They wanted to rack up another notch on their pistols.
You know, it's just so it's so wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
So yeah, it's about it is about God's love. And really,
you know, say, hey, you know, people are afraid to
share their faith. They're going to get persecuted and all
this stuff. I've been doing this since nineteen seventy three, folks,
it's over fifty years. I've never been persecuted, not once.
Now that's going on around the world, but I'm talking

(01:31:17):
about American Christians right now. You know, people they don't
get mad at you when you tell them God loves
them absolutely. I don't point out their sin. I go
and I hug them, and I and I God know
God loves them, and I walk them. You do it
in love and a couple other quick thoughts. I am

(01:31:37):
more and more being with successful younger you know, forties,
young people, younger professional Christians that are moneyed, that are
supporting great causes that the thought of leading somebody to

(01:32:00):
Jesus Christ has never entered their mind. They know what
they're doing to support this ministry in that and that
ministry is giving them a big room with the hotel
or on that cruise ship, and they're celebrated and with
their language and their lifestyles all wrapped up into one.
They're feeling so good for doing something for God. And
I'm reminded Jesus said to those that said, haven't I

(01:32:23):
done this in your name? Says Department, I don't even
know who you are. The church is being perverted at
the highest levels by forgetting what it's all about, and
it's not about it. We need to support all those things,
of course, but if we're doing all those things and
not broken for souls, we've missed the whole point of
our existence. Dallas is not always when you're at the mountaintop.

(01:32:48):
In fact, I have a problem. You know, My biggest
impediment is, well, if I had Barrier's company and beautiful
wife and cars, and I'd be happy too. Why shouldn't
he be happy? If that hurts me? You know what
my most powerful testimony was when my daughter died.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yes, when I was.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
In the hospital, they gave me up for dead. They
said I couldn't make it. Then my words had power. Yes,
and you've walked this. I mean I lost to call.
You loved the call. We lost her forty nine years
of age of prolific faith share. Yep, Linda was just
hees talking about a Satman and you two had fun together. Yeah,

(01:33:29):
you enjoyed life. You laugh the fulness of life. But boy,
God walked you through the valley for a lot of years.
Can you speak to that and what the impact your
lives naturally loving God to keep your joys had on
other people?

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Yeah, my wife, Linda, we were married for fifty four years.
We dated for five years before that, so we knew
and loved each other for almost sixty years. She's the
best she's the best Christian I've ever known. She was
beautiful outwardly, but even more beautiful inwardly. She battled breast

(01:34:05):
cancer for thirty seven years. There's no way she should
have lived that long medically, but just by God's grace.
And she really enjoyed relatively good health through all that journey.
But she had surgeries, chemotherapy, radiation, more chemo, more surgery,
more radiation, more scans, more needle pricks, and we could
even count. I mean, she's been through all of that

(01:34:27):
and always, I mean, right up till the end, had
a smile on her face, true joy manifest from within.
She's an amazing woman. You know, I could tell story
after story, I could go through all that, but this
is the reality of life. Because you're a Christian doesn't,
by any means mean that, oh, well, you're not going
to have any of the problems that other people do.

(01:34:48):
I've never told people, give your life to Jesus and
you won't have any more problems. I've told people, give
your life to Jesus, you'll have some brand new problems.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Your christ I don't have someone to go through.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
The problems with you. God does his best work in
our worst times that I'm convinced.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
To say that again, say that He does.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
His best work in our worst times. He accomplishes his
greatest purposes when we feel like we're just at the
bottom of the mountain, you know, life. We talked about
mountaintop experiences before. Occasionally God gives us what we might
call a mountaintop experience. I've been at the top of
some mountains. I'm an outdoors person. I've been fourteen thousand

(01:35:27):
feet higher. It's always exhilarating. But the reality is there's
nothing going on up there. There are no elk walking
around on the top of the mountain. There's no deer
up there at fourteen thousand feet. Most of them are
down in the valley. The tallest trees grow in the
deepest valleys. The greater amount of wildlife is down low.
Life has lived in the valley. And honestly, when we
go through these times of loss and grief and struggle,

(01:35:52):
the most intimate relationship we ever have with Christ is
in the fellowship of his sufferings. It doesn't get any
more real than that. And yeah, that could be persecution,
that can be physical things, it can be any number
of things. But when we suffer, and God knows what
he needs to do. Sometimes we're a little whippy, you know,

(01:36:13):
we say, well, you know, maybe God allows some of
these things. But a good God would really, you know,
in his mercy and grace, would never really causing these
things to happen. I'd like to point you to Isaiah
forty five seven, where it says, this is the Lord speaking.
I cause the light, and I create the darkness. I
make well being, and I cause calamity. I the Lord God,

(01:36:34):
do all these things. Here again, we have this sovereign God.
He will do whatever it takes to get our attention.
And we know this from Job. You know, here's the
most righteous man on the planet, receives God's own endorsement.
And what does God do. He takes away all his possessions,
His ten children, seven sons, three daughters, lose their lives.
They're gone. He's a physically afflicted. His wife shows up, says, honey,

(01:36:58):
this curse God and die. Don't you know that made
his day? But Job says, in faith, faith perfected by
the sufferings. He says, I know my Redeemer lives. And
though you slay me, kill me if you want, yet,
I will trust you, And I think God got up
off his throne and went, yes, you know. And that's

(01:37:19):
what God's up to in our lives. He brings us
through some of these valley experiences. It's all the testing
of our faith. It's bringing us into the closest realm
of relationship with Jesus through the fellowship of His sufferings.
And this life. You know, part of us just the
older you get, but part of it is the more
you understand the grace and the goodness of God and
you've walked with Him further. This whole life is barely

(01:37:42):
a blip on the radar screen. It's just here and
it's gone make every moment count. And I look back
and I go I could have done so much more,
But I can't change that. But I can change what
happens today when we shut this compter off. I've got
a mission today as I go out, when I go
get the oil changed on my car, which I'm going
to do this afternoon, I'm going to look for the

(01:38:03):
young lady that's going to check me in and she's
gonna tell me if my car is a ready or not.
Is there any way that I can be a blessing
to her. Is there any way that I can move
her just a little bit closer to Jesus. I got
to stop and get some groceries and things at the
drug store. I mean, it's just so fun. Apart from
the responsibility and the call and all that, it's just

(01:38:23):
fun every day. Now, you know what, by myself, My
wife is in heaven, so hey. Part of my adventure
now is like I said, I've always been a hunter.
I love to hunt. Love the outdoors, love the fish,
love the challenge. Now I'm hunting for souls. I'm tracking
them down the aisles. I'm looking for opportunities, and it
makes my day full and fun.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Oh my Dallas, we're out of time. I love you, brother,
Do some more of these, but I would bring us
back to robts A twenty eight. Okay, all things, yes,
the passing of Nicole, our daughter, the passing of Linda,
the bad things in our lives, all things, all things
work together for good for those who loved God and

(01:39:07):
liver his purpose. His purpose is seek and say the loss.
You understand that, folks, But how does that word? How
did it work? That all things work together for good?
And Linda thirty seven years and died. How is of
my daughter who went through teen challenge, had abuse problems,
used those for God's glory, led more a peer of

(01:39:27):
the world than anybody I know, quite frankly, and we
lost her. How words, the good we have no idea.
The good? Do you know? Good to God is how
many people are brought to Him or entered into heaven
because of those experiences. How many people have followed the

(01:39:48):
ministry of Dallas and Linda home and have loved on
them and prayed for them and with them have witnessed
their testimony and their joy to the very end. The
Dallas adding up with that funeral, were weeping the love
the thanksgiving coming out of Dallas at the funeral, and
I did it at the Cole's funeral. Twenty thousand people

(01:40:09):
watched the Coals celebration of life. That's good. A few
more moments on earth that is good. We'll never know
until we get to have it. How God has used
the bad in our lives because of how we reacted
to the bad and praise God right on through it
and trust Him through it. And that's what life's all about.

(01:40:31):
That's the message that you're hearing from these two guys.
He's he's a Texan. He loves to go hitt and fish.
I never I couldn't shoot an animal. Baby to it.
I'm a businessman, but we are one mind because we
serve one God and wait one purpose. It's god purpose
to seek us, save the loss. That's your purpose. Don't
forget that. See you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
You will be like God.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Human unity with God was severed and through it all,
God's promise remain true.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Follow me, April, and I will make.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
A great This is the Chosen People. Listen to the
Chosen People at the Chosen people dot com.

Speaker 8 (01:41:24):
That's the Chosen People dot com.

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