July 26, 2023 • 26 mins
Sarah returns home in an attempt to reclaim her role. She reveals a shocking secret. Harry also travels home to reckon with an impossible question.
~~ Cast Credits ~~
Sarah Weddington: Maya Hawke
Harry Blackmun: William H. Macy
Caregiver: Ese Atawo
Charlie: Charlie B. Foster
Dottie Blackmun: Felicity Huffman
Dr. Erdahl: Mark Chavez
Gloria: Karen Foreman
Harry's Mom: Barbara Pollard
Librarian: Karen Foreman
Linda Coffee: Abigail Breslin
Roy Lucas: Luke Kirby
Warren Burger: William Fichtner
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
From iHeart podcasts, This is Supreme, The Battle for Row
starring Maya Hawk and William H.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Mason, Mister Chief Justice.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Episode six, Son of a Traveling Salesman.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Sit on this bench long as you want, Sarah. There's
never gonna be water in the Trinity.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thanks for coming to meet me.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You look like cropping.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thank you, Linda. I haven't been sleeping much in addition
to everything else, running up and having problems. Is there
a single person in my life? I haven't pissed off, Linda.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I heard you. I'm just trying to think of someone.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Are you gonna sit down or just hover over me?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm decided if it's man trouble you want to discuss, Sarah,
it's not really my strong suit. But hope spring's eternal.
I'm ether sign me up for a trip to Israel
with Baptist singles this fall.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
No, are you going?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
If that's what she needs to hold on to the
hope of a grandchild. Sure, I'll took a free trip.
Think that makes me a fraud?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, yes I do. But you're in luck. This is
the Trinity bench for frauds and alienators. You're in the
right place.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Get over yourself. Sarah, you're not a fraud.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Of course I am. I took this case for one reason,
because they'd have me. All other women in the group
are so passionate about the cause. Only thing I was
passionate about was starting a career.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
So you've dragged me down here on my lunch chower
of wallow.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm not wallowy.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Poor Sarah hustled her brought off to graduate at sixteen,
worked herself to the bone for three years of law school,
and had the temerity to actually want to practice law.
What a selfish bitch.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
You should have heard these women's stories I collected for
the brief.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They deserve better, and that's Roy Lucas. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They also deserve to win.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You're their best chance for that. How could you not
see that? I would have thought tooth and nail if
I didn't know that, you, Sarah Weddington, are the best
and only hope of winning this thing. Every damn door
was close to you, so you found one around back
and you knocked it off its hinges. You're really gonna
punish yourself for that? Who cares why you initially took
(02:34):
the case. I'm honestly gonna tell me it's still just
a legal issue to you.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, No, I'm not. That's why I asked to hear Linda.
If I did want to push to get the first
chair back, and I'm not saying I do. But if
I did, do I have any recourse?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It depends you ready to fight?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think so?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No, you better know so, because where as a fighter.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He already filed the appearance papers with the court. Do
you really think there's anything we can do.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
There might be, but like I said, you gotta be ready.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Okay, And if I do get it back, I'm done
with this procedural Throw at every amendment at the wall
like it's a dark board crap. I'm gonna argue abortion
is a fundamental rat. I don't want some technical victory.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I want change the fourteenth Amendment. That's right, it's about
down time. But how Linda go home? Sarah wait for
my call.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
I have an idea, Justice blackmun Charlie, come in, come in.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
This is the research the court Libray sent over. I
didn't realize there'd be so many books on the subject.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
This is just the research on the history of privacy.
They're holding the rest for me. You're not sure everything
request will fit in these chambers. Wow.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
If this is the research you do before you've even
been a side of the case, I shudder to think
what it'll be like when you're actually writing the opinion.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
What's wrong, Tony, Sir?
Speaker 7 (04:12):
I need to tell you something. I was at lunch
at Dukes today.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Why do you and the other clerks go there?
Speaker 9 (04:17):
The prices are out the.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Landish, Yes, sir, but I overheard something about the chief.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
What about Warren, Sir?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
He's being seriously considered for the vice president's lot.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Oh, don't be absurd, Charlie. This is why idle Washington
gossip is so pernicious.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
It wasn't idle gossip, Justice, Blackman.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
It was third rate lobbyists trying to scare up some controversy.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
No, it was two senior White House staffers.
Speaker 9 (04:42):
It was, sir.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
It makes sense with spirou Agnew's resignation, Nixon needs a
party favorite to replace him, someone who's above scrutiny, someone
who's already been vetted by the Senate doesn't hurt.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
That's even if you're right that they're considering Warren. I'm
sure he's one of many many names on a list.
He'll laugh when he finds out. Believe me, I've known
the man my whole life.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I'm not sure that's the case, your honor. One of
the Chief's clerks told me.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
That old you what told you? What exactly?
Speaker 9 (05:18):
I want you to back channel with Lewis's clerks on
the railroad case, Stephen, we need to assemble a majority.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
On a chief. I'm supposed to play tennis with Billy
at Woodmont this weekend. Actually, I'll bring it up casually. Good, good, Warren.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
Harry, pull up a chair. I recommend the stake today.
It's actually itable. Is it true?
Speaker 8 (05:37):
What Warren? Is it true?
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Steven? Give us a minute?
Speaker 8 (05:42):
All right, of course, sir.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
What exactly is on your mind? Harry?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Don't, Warren, We've been friends too many decades.
Speaker 9 (05:52):
I take it this is about the vice presidency.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Did you think I wouldn't hear?
Speaker 9 (05:56):
Relax, Harry, nothing's been decided yet. All right. I'm on
a list, that's all.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
How many other names are on that list, Warren?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
I believe three?
Speaker 8 (06:06):
Oh my god, you can't do this.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
When a has to serve his country, one does not
turn down the president of the United States.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Hey, he does. If he's already Chief Justice of the
United States.
Speaker 9 (06:19):
I didn't expect you to understand.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
Then help me too, Please help me understand why you
would encourage this.
Speaker 9 (06:27):
Harry. I'm the son of a traveling sal.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Holy crap, is that really where we're starting. I don't
need your biography, Warren. I was there for it.
Speaker 9 (06:34):
I'm the son of a traveling salesman. I went to
night school, then a law school that no lawyer has
ever heard of. Now I have a chance to be
the vice president a heart beat away from the Oval.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
How inspiring the lowly chief Justice of the United States
might finally be able to make something of himself, Warren.
You don't need me to tell you the ramification this
could have on the Court.
Speaker 9 (07:02):
They'll be annoyed at first, Harry, but they'll get over it.
Speaker 8 (07:05):
I'm not talking about the other justices, Warren. I'm saying
that you'd be politicizing us.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
We are political, Harry. That's what you continue to refuse
to understand.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
No, you're political. This court is about justice.
Speaker 9 (07:22):
Oh shut up? Will you do you hear yourself?
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Using the Court as a stepping stone to the White
House will make us appear beholden to them. Nixon is
using you can't you see that.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Go back to your chambers, Harry, before I say something
i'll regret.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I'm not going back to my chambers. I'm flying to
Saint Paul.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
What why?
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Because I care about the work we do here, Warren
right here, I'm not as ambitious as you are in
days like this. I'm thankful for that, Ernie.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
I need three chicks on a raft draw one and
a Noah's Boy.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Gloria, you got a second, Linda coffee?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I came to talk to you.
Speaker 10 (08:19):
Not a good time, Linda, I got three extra tables
this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I need your help.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
What is it? Roe Wade?
Speaker 10 (08:26):
Are we gonna lose?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean almost certainly. Yeah, but we won't even have
a fighting chance if we lose our lead attorney. What
are you talking about, Linda? My partner on the case,
Sarah Wennington. She wanted for us here in Dallas. Remember now,
she's not going to be allowed to even argue in DC.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
Yeah, I know, I got a letter.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That guy is doing it right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What's his name, Roy Lucas? Right? What does that have
to do with me? You're one of the plaintiffs, Gloria.
In any court case, the plaintiffs have the right to
pick their own attorney. The other plaintiffs look up to you,
I've seen.
Speaker 10 (09:00):
I can't just tell them we should go with your friend.
This guy, Lucas seems a lot more experienced. This isn't
my son's little league. It shouldn't be about everyone getting
equal play in time.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
We need to go with who's gonna win.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It for us, Gloria, I could not agree more. The
thing is, that's Sarah. I'm not asking you to do
anything more than hear them both out. Let each of
them make their case. That's your prerogative. Then you decide.
Speaker 11 (09:42):
Excuse me, aren't you? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
You are?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Hello there, My son.
Speaker 11 (09:48):
Is studying you in social studies right now.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
Geez hey, I'm sorry to bother you, but can I
maybe get your autograph for him?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Well? That's very kind of you. I can't imagine he'd
actually want it, but yeah, of course. What's your name?
Speaker 11 (10:03):
I'm Marcy, but my son's name is Calvin.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Man.
Speaker 11 (10:08):
It is an honor to meet you, an actual Supreme
Court justice. I mean, wow, And you're from here, right
from Saint Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
I think I knew that.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
What are you doing back in town.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Before the court? I worked at Mayo came back to
do some research in the medical library for a decision.
I'll need to write.
Speaker 11 (10:26):
How exciting demus Saint Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Marcy, you have no idea?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh there's my bag.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
It was so nice. Meaning you have a great time
while you're here.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Justice Berger, No, it's it's Justice black I'm a Harry Blackman.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
Oh really okay, well thanks anyways, I.
Speaker 10 (10:50):
Guess welcome to the Clinic Research Library.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What can I help you with?
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Sir, Hi, there is Susan Halverson around.
Speaker 10 (11:05):
I'm sorry, Susan retired a couple months ago. Can I
help you with something?
Speaker 8 (11:09):
I see? I used to work with Susan when I
was in house council here. I actually called ahead reserved
a room to do some research today.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Justice Blackman, I'm so sorry I should have recognized you.
They have you on the calendar for two pm. Let
me show you to the room. I was so excited
when I saw you were coming here today. You requested
the green room.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Creature a Habit can't tell you how many hours I
spent in there. I've had dreams about being back in
that room. The green wallpaper, the tall ceilings, it was
so peaceful, a refuge for me.
Speaker 10 (11:46):
I think here it is same as you left it,
though it's not called the green room anymore.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
No, it's now the.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Chief Justice Warren Berger reading room.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Okay, then.
Speaker 12 (12:08):
Knows Catherine? Can I get some more catch up?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Please?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You sure that's a good idea?
Speaker 8 (12:13):
What have you always told me about sodium levels?
Speaker 9 (12:16):
Holy crap, Harry Blackman?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man?
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's good to see you, Quincy.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
How are things in DC? We've missed you around here.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Believe me, I've missed this place too. Brings you back confidentially?
Did you read about the abortion case we have coming
up on the docket? Of course I may be asked
to write the decision. They think my medical expertise from
working here gives me an edge.
Speaker 12 (12:40):
They know you are a legal counsel, not a surgical resident.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Right that seems to have been lost in translation.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
You mean by Warren he's the one who decides.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
The senior most justice in the majority decides.
Speaker 12 (12:51):
But you said the case hasn't been heard yet.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
I need to educate myself, Quincy, and I figured what
better place than here.
Speaker 12 (12:57):
Let me know how I can help anything you need.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
Just name it. A dozen appointments with doctors researchers, bioethicists, obstetrics, gynecology,
fertility and reproductive health. I need a better understanding of viability.
Speaker 12 (13:10):
Harry, Please don't tell me you came to Saint Paul
to figure out when life begins.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
You don't like my chances, you may as well go
to you and men.
Speaker 12 (13:18):
Talk to a freshman philosophy student. There are no clear
answers on the subject here.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
I don't accept that, Quincy. There must be some accepted theories.
You're the head of the reproductive and Paranatal biology division.
Look at all this paper on your wall. You can't
tell me we're at a total loss and the most
basic question in all of biology. I'm sorry, Harry.
Speaker 12 (13:38):
I can set you up on a maternal and fetal
health division if you like, or ovarian physiology and pathology,
but no one is going to have a clear answer
for you. You want answers to this riddle, go talk to
the sphinx.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Mother, she's in here, mister Blackman, Hello, Pamela, how's the
patient doing?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Your mother's came to black men.
Speaker 13 (14:07):
It's a good day.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Actually, Hello mother, Harry, you look lovely.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You came from Washington.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I did. I had some research to do it. Mayo,
you look awful, Harry. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
How are the girls?
Speaker 8 (14:23):
Sally and Nancy are busy as ever, Susie is protesting everything,
and Dottie has moved on from adopting possums to chipmunks.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Isn't that something?
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Mom? I'm struggling. Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You can ask me anything, Harry?
Speaker 8 (14:47):
What do you do when you need answers? But everywhere
you turn you only get more questions?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Questions have gotten you this far, Harry. Don't stop asking now.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Hello, Hi, Hello, ladies, ladies, thank you so much for
coming on such short notice. Most of you know me.
I'm Linda Coffee. I'm one of your attorneys. As you know,
ro Wade is a class action suit on behalf of
our lead plaintiff, as well as all the other women
who were or might become pregnant and want options. You
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all represent many of the plaintiffs, As many of you
also know, There's been some disagreement over who exactly is
your lead counsel. Now, in any case, the plaintiffs have
the right to choose their own advocate. Y'all understand. Okay,
We've asked you here so you can decide who it
(15:57):
should be, mister Roy Lucas or Missus Sarah Weddington. Both
have agreed to abide by your decision. Mister Lucas, you
want to go first.
Speaker 13 (16:08):
Hello, ladies, thank you for having me. I was more
than a little surprised when I got this invitation, but
I do believe the lovely Miss Coffee and Missus Weddington
have your best interests at heart. I really do, and
as they say, it is your right to choose your
own counsel. I'll try to keep this short. When I
came on to this case, it was understood that I
would argue in the Supreme Court. I would not have
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come on otherwise. Only now that Missus Weddington has realized
what a boon it could be for her fledgling career,
has she decided to back out of that arrangement, an
arrangement that's beneficial to all parties, but mostly to you, ladies.
Now forgive me for being blunt, but the stakes are
too high for false modesty. I understand this case better
than anyone. I know the legality of abortion better than
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any lawyer in the country. That's what I've devoted my
career to since nineteen sixty six. I've shaped the legal
battle for abortion rights. I'm the one who came up
with the eye idea to expand privacy protections into the
realm of abortion. Then, frankly, I'm the one that justices
will want and expect to hear from. I'm the person
that justices will take seriously. Moreover, while missus Weddington and
(17:13):
miss Coffee, meanwhile, you should know they nearly lost you
the case in Dallas by committing errors a first year
low student would know to avoid. If they do the
same thing at the highest court in our land, the
justices will eat them alive, and they'll have set the
movement back fifty years. This case is too important. This
isn't practice, ladies. You need a professional.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Just refute it all, Sarah, point by point. You got this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Hi there, You all have been nice enough to come
here today to hear us talk, so I'm not going
to waste your time. I'm gonna be honest. I honestly
don't know if I'm the best person for this job.
But bewarey you, of anyone who says he is. Mister
Lucas's resume is better than mine, no question, But this
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case isn't going to be one on resumes. I need
to tell you all something, something I've never told anyone.
My daddy doesn't know by Mama either or Linda. Four
years ago, I got pregnant.
Speaker 14 (18:20):
Mmm, you've got Oh please, Nancy. The song is about
Buddy Holly, Richie Allens and the big pauper.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
No, it's not Susie.
Speaker 15 (18:43):
It's about JFK, RFK and MLK passed the potato.
Speaker 16 (18:46):
Not so loud, girls. Your father has a headache. He
was on a plane back from Saint Paul.
Speaker 14 (18:50):
All day February. Made me shiver.
Speaker 17 (18:53):
Their plane crash was in February, and I am with Nancy.
The courtroom was adjourned, no verdict was returned.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
That has got to be a Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh my god, you're both so dad enough, Sorry, sorry, daddy.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
It's not often anymore that the whole family's together for dinner.
I have a question for all of you. It occurred
to me, I don't know your opinions on something, and
i'd very much like to what are your views on abortion?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Is this for a case?
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Never mind what it's for, Just tell me, honestly, Dottie.
Let's start with you.
Speaker 16 (19:26):
Oh, I don't know, Harry. It's complicated. I suppose as
a mother, how could I be for it? The death
of any child, or even the promise of a child's
it's a tragedy. But whether or not it's a crime.
Speaker 14 (19:42):
What crime would it be?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Mom?
Speaker 14 (19:44):
Murder?
Speaker 18 (19:44):
Are you not?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Shut up?
Speaker 14 (19:46):
Susie?
Speaker 8 (19:46):
Let mom speak.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I want to hear the new lawyer's way in, Sally,
what do you think? I don't know.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Can I pass?
Speaker 8 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I cannot say you can, Sally.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Fine, Sally passes. Glad to hear all that tuition we
pay as well spent, Harry, move on, I'll go, Thank you, Nancy.
Speaker 15 (20:04):
We talked about this a lot at Radcliffe, Daddy. I
have friends who believe in choice but say that they'd
never be able to.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Do it themselves.
Speaker 14 (20:10):
Well, I think it's just I'm not done, Susie.
Speaker 15 (20:13):
To me, the real issue is who gets the power
to make the decision. Anti abortionists think it should be
a crime, right, throw the doctor in jail or the woman.
But that sort of gives the unborn baby more rights than.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
The mother, well said Susie. In no doubt have an
opinion on the subject.
Speaker 14 (20:32):
Yes, here's my answer.
Speaker 17 (20:34):
Whatever a woman wants to do with her own body
is no one's damn business but her own period. Of
course you would say that, Susie, So you wouldn't give
the father a say, Susie, or the girl's parents.
Speaker 15 (20:44):
If she was a minor, her baby, her body, her choice.
Speaker 18 (20:48):
Heck, if it were up to me, I'd make abortion
available in every amp in the country.
Speaker 17 (20:52):
And you know it would be too if men were
the ones getting prego.
Speaker 14 (20:55):
Jesus, you are so.
Speaker 17 (20:57):
Starved for attention.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
You know that I would.
Speaker 14 (21:00):
I swear I would. Why are you asking us?
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Daddy's the court going to take a side?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
You know your father can't discuss that.
Speaker 17 (21:05):
Sally, okay, but if you are going to dive into it,
you can't be so theoretical.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
What does that mean, Sally?
Speaker 17 (21:12):
It means you can't be your usual ivory tower, overly
analytical self on this issue.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Dad.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
It's too emotional for people.
Speaker 17 (21:19):
You need to make room for emotion too.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
That's not his job, Sally.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know, don't tell her what she knows.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Nancy, have you thought about that? Harry eat? You've barely
touched your food.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
I think I need to.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Go, I know, all right? Quiet down, ladies, Sarah, are
(21:54):
you Okay to continue.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I'm just dumb. Let me gather myself a second.
As I was saying, ladies, four years ago, I got pregnant.
We didn't mean for it to happen, and I wasn't
ready to give up my whole future at twenty two.
It was the hardest decision I ever made, and I
damn well pray I never have another one that comes
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anywhere close. My husband wrong got us the name of
a doctor in Mexico. He even borrowed some pain medication
from a friend because we were told this doctor couldn't
afford any and we should bring our own. And one
sweltering hot Sunday afternoon, Ron and I went over the border.
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We had some trouble finding the place. It ended up
being down this dirt road in this little white medical building.
I guess it was a clinic. There was something framed
on the wall. It wasn't hard. It was more like
a document. I remember praying it was a medical degree.
But I don't speak a word of Spanish and I
certainly don't read it, so who knows. Right. I was
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so scared. It's not like the fear you have when
you go to a doctor here in Dallas, though that
can be scary. It's the fear of the unknown. Who
is this man I'm putting in charge of my life?
What is this place? Will anyone find out? Well I
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make it out of here? What are the potential complications,
the side effects, the stuff I could carry around for
the rest of my natural life because of how well
or poorly the next forty five minutes goes. It's something
I bet a lot of women in this room understand.
I've never told another soul about this, not until this
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very moment. But not a day passes that I don't
think on it. I started this case because it seemed
like just about the only way anybody was gonna let
me practice law. But I I hope you believe me
when I tell you that it's not true anymore. I
can't separate myself from this issue any more than I
can separate myself from my own skin. I'm as invested
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in this cause as any of you are, and I
will do everything in my power to help us win. Ladies,
mister Lucas has quite a resume, no doubt about that,
and he's an important part of this team no matter what.
But when he says he understands this cause better than anyone.
I think you can see why. I just don't agree
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with that. What's taking them so long to decide?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Just think about something else?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, right, Look at Roy over there, looking so smug.
Just once in my life I'd like to feel as
confident as he always looks.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Just relax. The plaintiffs will have their decisions.
Speaker 18 (24:58):
Sound, We're finished talking. Now we have an answer we
want Sarah.
Speaker 19 (25:12):
Yes, Hey, Sarah, go get him.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Mason, Mister Chief Justice.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Episode six, Son of a Traveling Salesman.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Sit on this bench long as you want, Sarah. There's
never gonna be water in the Trinity.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thanks for coming to meet me.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You look like cropping.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Thank you, Linda. I haven't been sleeping much in addition
to everything else, running up and having problems. Is there
a single person in my life? I haven't pissed off, Linda.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I heard you. I'm just trying to think of someone.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Are you gonna sit down or just hover over me?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm decided if it's man trouble you want to discuss, Sarah,
it's not really my strong suit. But hope spring's eternal.
I'm ether sign me up for a trip to Israel
with Baptist singles this fall.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
No, are you going?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
If that's what she needs to hold on to the
hope of a grandchild. Sure, I'll took a free trip.
Think that makes me a fraud?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, yes I do. But you're in luck. This is
the Trinity bench for frauds and alienators. You're in the
right place.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Get over yourself. Sarah, you're not a fraud.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Of course I am. I took this case for one reason,
because they'd have me. All other women in the group
are so passionate about the cause. Only thing I was
passionate about was starting a career.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
So you've dragged me down here on my lunch chower
of wallow.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm not wallowy.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Poor Sarah hustled her brought off to graduate at sixteen,
worked herself to the bone for three years of law school,
and had the temerity to actually want to practice law.
What a selfish bitch.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
You should have heard these women's stories I collected for
the brief.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They deserve better, and that's Roy Lucas. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They also deserve to win.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You're their best chance for that. How could you not
see that? I would have thought tooth and nail if
I didn't know that, you, Sarah Weddington, are the best
and only hope of winning this thing. Every damn door
was close to you, so you found one around back
and you knocked it off its hinges. You're really gonna
punish yourself for that? Who cares why you initially took
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the case. I'm honestly gonna tell me it's still just
a legal issue to you.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, No, I'm not. That's why I asked to hear Linda.
If I did want to push to get the first
chair back, and I'm not saying I do. But if
I did, do I have any recourse?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It depends you ready to fight?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think so?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No, you better know so, because where as a fighter.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He already filed the appearance papers with the court. Do
you really think there's anything we can do.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
There might be, but like I said, you gotta be ready.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Okay, And if I do get it back, I'm done
with this procedural Throw at every amendment at the wall
like it's a dark board crap. I'm gonna argue abortion
is a fundamental rat. I don't want some technical victory.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I want change the fourteenth Amendment. That's right, it's about
down time. But how Linda go home? Sarah wait for
my call.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
I have an idea, Justice blackmun Charlie, come in, come in.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
This is the research the court Libray sent over. I
didn't realize there'd be so many books on the subject.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
This is just the research on the history of privacy.
They're holding the rest for me. You're not sure everything
request will fit in these chambers. Wow.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
If this is the research you do before you've even
been a side of the case, I shudder to think
what it'll be like when you're actually writing the opinion.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
What's wrong, Tony, Sir?
Speaker 7 (04:12):
I need to tell you something. I was at lunch
at Dukes today.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Why do you and the other clerks go there?
Speaker 9 (04:17):
The prices are out the.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Landish, Yes, sir, but I overheard something about the chief.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
What about Warren, Sir?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
He's being seriously considered for the vice president's lot.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Oh, don't be absurd, Charlie. This is why idle Washington
gossip is so pernicious.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
It wasn't idle gossip, Justice, Blackman.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
It was third rate lobbyists trying to scare up some controversy.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
No, it was two senior White House staffers.
Speaker 9 (04:42):
It was, sir.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
It makes sense with spirou Agnew's resignation, Nixon needs a
party favorite to replace him, someone who's above scrutiny, someone
who's already been vetted by the Senate doesn't hurt.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
That's even if you're right that they're considering Warren. I'm
sure he's one of many many names on a list.
He'll laugh when he finds out. Believe me, I've known
the man my whole life.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I'm not sure that's the case, your honor. One of
the Chief's clerks told me.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
That old you what told you? What exactly?
Speaker 9 (05:18):
I want you to back channel with Lewis's clerks on
the railroad case, Stephen, we need to assemble a majority.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
On a chief. I'm supposed to play tennis with Billy
at Woodmont this weekend. Actually, I'll bring it up casually. Good, good, Warren.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
Harry, pull up a chair. I recommend the stake today.
It's actually itable. Is it true?
Speaker 8 (05:37):
What Warren? Is it true?
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Steven? Give us a minute?
Speaker 8 (05:42):
All right, of course, sir.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
What exactly is on your mind? Harry?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Don't, Warren, We've been friends too many decades.
Speaker 9 (05:52):
I take it this is about the vice presidency.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Did you think I wouldn't hear?
Speaker 9 (05:56):
Relax, Harry, nothing's been decided yet. All right. I'm on
a list, that's all.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
How many other names are on that list, Warren?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
I believe three?
Speaker 8 (06:06):
Oh my god, you can't do this.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
When a has to serve his country, one does not
turn down the president of the United States.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Hey, he does. If he's already Chief Justice of the
United States.
Speaker 9 (06:19):
I didn't expect you to understand.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
Then help me too, Please help me understand why you
would encourage this.
Speaker 9 (06:27):
Harry. I'm the son of a traveling sal.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
Holy crap, is that really where we're starting. I don't
need your biography, Warren. I was there for it.
Speaker 9 (06:34):
I'm the son of a traveling salesman. I went to
night school, then a law school that no lawyer has
ever heard of. Now I have a chance to be
the vice president a heart beat away from the Oval.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
How inspiring the lowly chief Justice of the United States
might finally be able to make something of himself, Warren.
You don't need me to tell you the ramification this
could have on the Court.
Speaker 9 (07:02):
They'll be annoyed at first, Harry, but they'll get over it.
Speaker 8 (07:05):
I'm not talking about the other justices, Warren. I'm saying
that you'd be politicizing us.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
We are political, Harry. That's what you continue to refuse
to understand.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
No, you're political. This court is about justice.
Speaker 9 (07:22):
Oh shut up? Will you do you hear yourself?
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Using the Court as a stepping stone to the White
House will make us appear beholden to them. Nixon is
using you can't you see that.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Go back to your chambers, Harry, before I say something
i'll regret.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I'm not going back to my chambers. I'm flying to
Saint Paul.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
What why?
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Because I care about the work we do here, Warren
right here, I'm not as ambitious as you are in
days like this. I'm thankful for that, Ernie.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
I need three chicks on a raft draw one and
a Noah's Boy.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Gloria, you got a second, Linda coffee?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I came to talk to you.
Speaker 10 (08:19):
Not a good time, Linda, I got three extra tables
this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I need your help.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
What is it? Roe Wade?
Speaker 10 (08:26):
Are we gonna lose?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean almost certainly. Yeah, but we won't even have
a fighting chance if we lose our lead attorney. What
are you talking about, Linda? My partner on the case,
Sarah Wennington. She wanted for us here in Dallas. Remember now,
she's not going to be allowed to even argue in DC.
Speaker 10 (08:43):
Yeah, I know, I got a letter.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That guy is doing it right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What's his name, Roy Lucas? Right? What does that have
to do with me? You're one of the plaintiffs, Gloria.
In any court case, the plaintiffs have the right to
pick their own attorney. The other plaintiffs look up to you,
I've seen.
Speaker 10 (09:00):
I can't just tell them we should go with your friend.
This guy, Lucas seems a lot more experienced. This isn't
my son's little league. It shouldn't be about everyone getting
equal play in time.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
We need to go with who's gonna win.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It for us, Gloria, I could not agree more. The
thing is, that's Sarah. I'm not asking you to do
anything more than hear them both out. Let each of
them make their case. That's your prerogative. Then you decide.
Speaker 11 (09:42):
Excuse me, aren't you? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
You are?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Hello there, My son.
Speaker 11 (09:48):
Is studying you in social studies right now.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
Geez hey, I'm sorry to bother you, but can I
maybe get your autograph for him?
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Well? That's very kind of you. I can't imagine he'd
actually want it, but yeah, of course. What's your name?
Speaker 11 (10:03):
I'm Marcy, but my son's name is Calvin.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Man.
Speaker 11 (10:08):
It is an honor to meet you, an actual Supreme
Court justice. I mean, wow, And you're from here, right
from Saint Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
I think I knew that.
Speaker 11 (10:18):
What are you doing back in town.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Before the court? I worked at Mayo came back to
do some research in the medical library for a decision.
I'll need to write.
Speaker 11 (10:26):
How exciting demus Saint Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Marcy, you have no idea?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh there's my bag.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
It was so nice. Meaning you have a great time
while you're here.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Justice Berger, No, it's it's Justice black I'm a Harry Blackman.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
Oh really okay, well thanks anyways, I.
Speaker 10 (10:50):
Guess welcome to the Clinic Research Library.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What can I help you with?
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Sir, Hi, there is Susan Halverson around.
Speaker 10 (11:05):
I'm sorry, Susan retired a couple months ago. Can I
help you with something?
Speaker 8 (11:09):
I see? I used to work with Susan when I
was in house council here. I actually called ahead reserved
a room to do some research today.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Justice Blackman, I'm so sorry I should have recognized you.
They have you on the calendar for two pm. Let
me show you to the room. I was so excited
when I saw you were coming here today. You requested
the green room.
Speaker 8 (11:33):
Creature a Habit can't tell you how many hours I
spent in there. I've had dreams about being back in
that room. The green wallpaper, the tall ceilings, it was
so peaceful, a refuge for me.
Speaker 10 (11:46):
I think here it is same as you left it,
though it's not called the green room anymore.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
No, it's now the.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Chief Justice Warren Berger reading room.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Okay, then.
Speaker 12 (12:08):
Knows Catherine? Can I get some more catch up?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Please?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You sure that's a good idea?
Speaker 8 (12:13):
What have you always told me about sodium levels?
Speaker 9 (12:16):
Holy crap, Harry Blackman?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man?
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's good to see you, Quincy.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
How are things in DC? We've missed you around here.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Believe me, I've missed this place too. Brings you back confidentially?
Did you read about the abortion case we have coming
up on the docket? Of course I may be asked
to write the decision. They think my medical expertise from
working here gives me an edge.
Speaker 12 (12:40):
They know you are a legal counsel, not a surgical resident.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Right that seems to have been lost in translation.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
You mean by Warren he's the one who decides.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
The senior most justice in the majority decides.
Speaker 12 (12:51):
But you said the case hasn't been heard yet.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
I need to educate myself, Quincy, and I figured what
better place than here.
Speaker 12 (12:57):
Let me know how I can help anything you need.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
Just name it. A dozen appointments with doctors researchers, bioethicists, obstetrics, gynecology,
fertility and reproductive health. I need a better understanding of viability.
Speaker 12 (13:10):
Harry, Please don't tell me you came to Saint Paul
to figure out when life begins.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
You don't like my chances, you may as well go
to you and men.
Speaker 12 (13:18):
Talk to a freshman philosophy student. There are no clear
answers on the subject here.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
I don't accept that, Quincy. There must be some accepted theories.
You're the head of the reproductive and Paranatal biology division.
Look at all this paper on your wall. You can't
tell me we're at a total loss and the most
basic question in all of biology. I'm sorry, Harry.
Speaker 12 (13:38):
I can set you up on a maternal and fetal
health division if you like, or ovarian physiology and pathology,
but no one is going to have a clear answer
for you. You want answers to this riddle, go talk to
the sphinx.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Mother, she's in here, mister Blackman, Hello, Pamela, how's the
patient doing?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Your mother's came to black men.
Speaker 13 (14:07):
It's a good day.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
Actually, Hello mother, Harry, you look lovely.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You came from Washington.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I did. I had some research to do it. Mayo,
you look awful, Harry. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
How are the girls?
Speaker 8 (14:23):
Sally and Nancy are busy as ever, Susie is protesting everything,
and Dottie has moved on from adopting possums to chipmunks.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Isn't that something?
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Mom? I'm struggling. Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You can ask me anything, Harry?
Speaker 8 (14:47):
What do you do when you need answers? But everywhere
you turn you only get more questions?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Questions have gotten you this far, Harry. Don't stop asking now.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Hello, Hi, Hello, ladies, ladies, thank you so much for
coming on such short notice. Most of you know me.
I'm Linda Coffee. I'm one of your attorneys. As you know,
ro Wade is a class action suit on behalf of
our lead plaintiff, as well as all the other women
who were or might become pregnant and want options. You
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all represent many of the plaintiffs, As many of you
also know, There's been some disagreement over who exactly is
your lead counsel. Now, in any case, the plaintiffs have
the right to choose their own advocate. Y'all understand. Okay,
We've asked you here so you can decide who it
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should be, mister Roy Lucas or Missus Sarah Weddington. Both
have agreed to abide by your decision. Mister Lucas, you
want to go first.
Speaker 13 (16:08):
Hello, ladies, thank you for having me. I was more
than a little surprised when I got this invitation, but
I do believe the lovely Miss Coffee and Missus Weddington
have your best interests at heart. I really do, and
as they say, it is your right to choose your
own counsel. I'll try to keep this short. When I
came on to this case, it was understood that I
would argue in the Supreme Court. I would not have
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come on otherwise. Only now that Missus Weddington has realized
what a boon it could be for her fledgling career,
has she decided to back out of that arrangement, an
arrangement that's beneficial to all parties, but mostly to you, ladies.
Now forgive me for being blunt, but the stakes are
too high for false modesty. I understand this case better
than anyone. I know the legality of abortion better than
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any lawyer in the country. That's what I've devoted my
career to since nineteen sixty six. I've shaped the legal
battle for abortion rights. I'm the one who came up
with the eye idea to expand privacy protections into the
realm of abortion. Then, frankly, I'm the one that justices
will want and expect to hear from. I'm the person
that justices will take seriously. Moreover, while missus Weddington and
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miss Coffee, meanwhile, you should know they nearly lost you
the case in Dallas by committing errors a first year
low student would know to avoid. If they do the
same thing at the highest court in our land, the
justices will eat them alive, and they'll have set the
movement back fifty years. This case is too important. This
isn't practice, ladies. You need a professional.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Just refute it all, Sarah, point by point. You got this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Hi there, You all have been nice enough to come
here today to hear us talk, so I'm not going
to waste your time. I'm gonna be honest. I honestly
don't know if I'm the best person for this job.
But bewarey you, of anyone who says he is. Mister
Lucas's resume is better than mine, no question, But this
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case isn't going to be one on resumes. I need
to tell you all something, something I've never told anyone.
My daddy doesn't know by Mama either or Linda. Four
years ago, I got pregnant.
Speaker 14 (18:20):
Mmm, you've got Oh please, Nancy. The song is about
Buddy Holly, Richie Allens and the big pauper.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
No, it's not Susie.
Speaker 15 (18:43):
It's about JFK, RFK and MLK passed the potato.
Speaker 16 (18:46):
Not so loud, girls. Your father has a headache. He
was on a plane back from Saint Paul.
Speaker 14 (18:50):
All day February. Made me shiver.
Speaker 17 (18:53):
Their plane crash was in February, and I am with Nancy.
The courtroom was adjourned, no verdict was returned.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
That has got to be a Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh my god, you're both so dad enough, Sorry, sorry, daddy.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
It's not often anymore that the whole family's together for dinner.
I have a question for all of you. It occurred
to me, I don't know your opinions on something, and
i'd very much like to what are your views on abortion?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Is this for a case?
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Never mind what it's for, Just tell me, honestly, Dottie.
Let's start with you.
Speaker 16 (19:26):
Oh, I don't know, Harry. It's complicated. I suppose as
a mother, how could I be for it? The death
of any child, or even the promise of a child's
it's a tragedy. But whether or not it's a crime.
Speaker 14 (19:42):
What crime would it be?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Mom?
Speaker 14 (19:44):
Murder?
Speaker 18 (19:44):
Are you not?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Shut up?
Speaker 14 (19:46):
Susie?
Speaker 8 (19:46):
Let mom speak.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I want to hear the new lawyer's way in, Sally,
what do you think? I don't know.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Can I pass?
Speaker 8 (19:52):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I cannot say you can, Sally.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Fine, Sally passes. Glad to hear all that tuition we
pay as well spent, Harry, move on, I'll go, Thank you, Nancy.
Speaker 15 (20:04):
We talked about this a lot at Radcliffe, Daddy. I
have friends who believe in choice but say that they'd
never be able to.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Do it themselves.
Speaker 14 (20:10):
Well, I think it's just I'm not done, Susie.
Speaker 15 (20:13):
To me, the real issue is who gets the power
to make the decision. Anti abortionists think it should be
a crime, right, throw the doctor in jail or the woman.
But that sort of gives the unborn baby more rights than.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
The mother, well said Susie. In no doubt have an
opinion on the subject.
Speaker 14 (20:32):
Yes, here's my answer.
Speaker 17 (20:34):
Whatever a woman wants to do with her own body
is no one's damn business but her own period. Of
course you would say that, Susie, So you wouldn't give
the father a say, Susie, or the girl's parents.
Speaker 15 (20:44):
If she was a minor, her baby, her body, her choice.
Speaker 18 (20:48):
Heck, if it were up to me, I'd make abortion
available in every amp in the country.
Speaker 17 (20:52):
And you know it would be too if men were
the ones getting prego.
Speaker 14 (20:55):
Jesus, you are so.
Speaker 17 (20:57):
Starved for attention.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
You know that I would.
Speaker 14 (21:00):
I swear I would. Why are you asking us?
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Daddy's the court going to take a side?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
You know your father can't discuss that.
Speaker 17 (21:05):
Sally, okay, but if you are going to dive into it,
you can't be so theoretical.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
What does that mean, Sally?
Speaker 17 (21:12):
It means you can't be your usual ivory tower, overly
analytical self on this issue.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Dad.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
It's too emotional for people.
Speaker 17 (21:19):
You need to make room for emotion too.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
That's not his job, Sally.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know, don't tell her what she knows.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Nancy, have you thought about that? Harry eat? You've barely
touched your food.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
I think I need to.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Go, I know, all right? Quiet down, ladies, Sarah, are
(21:54):
you Okay to continue.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I'm just dumb. Let me gather myself a second.
As I was saying, ladies, four years ago, I got pregnant.
We didn't mean for it to happen, and I wasn't
ready to give up my whole future at twenty two.
It was the hardest decision I ever made, and I
damn well pray I never have another one that comes
(22:18):
anywhere close. My husband wrong got us the name of
a doctor in Mexico. He even borrowed some pain medication
from a friend because we were told this doctor couldn't
afford any and we should bring our own. And one
sweltering hot Sunday afternoon, Ron and I went over the border.
(22:41):
We had some trouble finding the place. It ended up
being down this dirt road in this little white medical building.
I guess it was a clinic. There was something framed
on the wall. It wasn't hard. It was more like
a document. I remember praying it was a medical degree.
But I don't speak a word of Spanish and I
certainly don't read it, so who knows. Right. I was
(23:06):
so scared. It's not like the fear you have when
you go to a doctor here in Dallas, though that
can be scary. It's the fear of the unknown. Who
is this man I'm putting in charge of my life?
What is this place? Will anyone find out? Well I
(23:26):
make it out of here? What are the potential complications,
the side effects, the stuff I could carry around for
the rest of my natural life because of how well
or poorly the next forty five minutes goes. It's something
I bet a lot of women in this room understand.
I've never told another soul about this, not until this
(23:46):
very moment. But not a day passes that I don't
think on it. I started this case because it seemed
like just about the only way anybody was gonna let
me practice law. But I I hope you believe me
when I tell you that it's not true anymore. I
can't separate myself from this issue any more than I
can separate myself from my own skin. I'm as invested
(24:07):
in this cause as any of you are, and I
will do everything in my power to help us win. Ladies,
mister Lucas has quite a resume, no doubt about that,
and he's an important part of this team no matter what.
But when he says he understands this cause better than anyone.
I think you can see why. I just don't agree
(24:27):
with that. What's taking them so long to decide?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Just think about something else?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, right, Look at Roy over there, looking so smug.
Just once in my life I'd like to feel as
confident as he always looks.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Just relax. The plaintiffs will have their decisions.
Speaker 18 (24:58):
Sound, We're finished talking. Now we have an answer we
want Sarah.
Speaker 19 (25:12):
Yes, Hey, Sarah, go get him.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Thank you, Supreme. The Battle Farah from iHeart Podcasts, created
and written by Aaron Tracy, directed by Rachel Lunter, starring
(25:48):
Maya Hawk, William H. Macy, and Abigail Breslan, also featuring
William Fickener as Warren, Felicity Huffman as Dottie, Charlie B.
Foster as Charlie, and Luke Herby as Roy. Executive produced
by Eva Longoria, Ben Spector, Rachel Winter and Aaron Tracy,
(26:08):
as well as Katrina Norvell and Anna Stump. From iHeart
produced by Kelly and Kelly. Executive producers for Kelly and
Kelly are Chris Kelly, Lauren Berkovich, and Pat Kelly. Produced
by Tamara Black for Kelly and Kelly. Director of Audio
Chris Kelly. Original score by Hamilton Lighthauser and Anna Stump.
(26:31):
Sound designed by Paul Teduscini, edited by Max Collins. For
a full list of credits, please see show notes.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
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