Episode 4 - On The Run

Jay must find a way to save his twin, Pete. Despite all the chaos, Jay and Val marry and head to Mexico for their honeymoon. An indictment out of Milwaukee spells trouble for the twins, and Pete desperately races to the Mexican border to avoid getting caught. The twins are forced to go on the run.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's built to be kidnapped? No one like to be
sitting there and title to the chairman thronged by plastic.
Really come Curtis for St Jackson, and I'm Charlie Webster

(00:30):
and this is surviving l Chopper. That's once you brought
down the drug wall. No one is built to be kidnapped.
But Peter had to learn how the skilled would come
in handy more than once. And for j this was

(00:53):
just the beginning of his path of becoming a master negotiating.
I got your brother for mistreat or anything. As long
as you corporate, I need to hundre kids. What makes
you think that I won't be able to give you KOs?
That's for you don't figure out. They said, you're a

(01:20):
little bit late. If you would have called me yesterday,
I would have been able to give you three kilos.
And he's like, I said, I give the gun. It
doesn't work. If you know anything about my business, and
you know that no one pays cash. So but if
you want to wait a couple of weeks, I got you.

(01:41):
I don't have a couple of weeks. Your brothers didn't
have a couple of weeks. He said, how many kids
you just I don't even want to lie to you.
I'll make sure I'll give you whatever I got that
we'll call you back in twenty minutes. And I got
off the phone hit me. It sounded like, Saul hold that.

(02:09):
I know the best person is gonna tell me. So
I have a family member that comes from that group
of people. So I called it. I said, hey, they
cannot be Let me ask you a question. What do
you know about Saul? Do you think it's whole? Yeah,
that didn't That's who it is because that's what he does.

(02:34):
He robbed and can't ask people for money. Now everyone's around,
they're like, what they say? What they say? There's like
twenty five of us literally in the middle of the street.
We're comfortable there, you know, in the West Soup of Chicago.

(02:54):
We're in front of Oprah studios. I said to everybody
they want I told him that they had that, And
so listen, guys, you guys are the people that are
most important. You know what I mean. Let's kind of
take a boat. Mm hmm. I could call the bet

(03:16):
right now, save my brother mm hm. But we're can
get and diet. I was accepted in twenty years right, then,
or I could pay the three kids they are asking before,
But I'm gonna have to make that money up. What

(03:38):
do you think everybody says this is better to have
kids with the way except for a couple of good
duodes that were ridistance that they want to like call
the beds, let's go to jail. True, seriously, those dudes
are still with me to the Yeah, you're right now
to pick the money up. It was a reality that

(04:00):
the other day it was about a business. It was
about money, and no one's ever gonna care, which is
true because that's the fact for me as well and
for you as well. We could be all good, but
if it comes to your life and you're like sorry,
rest later. So it was a lesson learns. They don't

(04:20):
know this, but I could pay that money five times.
Even imagine that we have to hide that we have
money like that to our own people because the minute
they think they have money, they think, well then I
like him, but he could afford this loss. That's the
difference between him still be and them getting killed. And

(04:42):
people that were with me in close associates that worked
for us, they're like, bro, get your brother back, get
your brother back, forget this as if we're gonna get
in that. He said, I don't care, We're all getting
that whatever. Get your brother back. Man. That meant a
lot to me. I was thinking that I might not

(05:11):
make it out, like man, this is crazy, you know,
thinking who it could be of course, you know, and
thinking about what would I do, and different emotions, you know, anger, sad,
it's you fear. To sit there like that with that

(05:38):
kind of silence and to be dealing with that alone
was hard, you know. Of course, those little demons that
come back, like reliving a nightmare gas again again. Who

(05:59):
built for that? Who is bill? To have something like
that happened to me think you're gonna die, not just
get like shot at or something. But I really had that,
you know, days of thinking you might die because they're
gonna my brothers will pay the money and tell me
any of this. You know, it was a turn at

(06:22):
that moment. It was like the worst thing ever in
the world. Did they do anything to you during that time? No,
they didn't. Actually, I think the worst thing they did
was not say nothing for some reason, like I don't
know what they have in common, but they just the
silence of not saying nothing, like like if they started
talking to me or something, you're telling me they're gonna

(06:43):
come me, it might be a little better than just
quiet sitting on some plastic all there. You know, somes
like torture. Yeah, Like I always think that the apprehensiveness
and they're not knowing is far worst. Sometimes. How did
that last? Of all three days? It was today? And

(07:05):
realize that you see stuff in the movies, it's don't
like that, you know what I mean? This is my life.
This is something I'm living through. These people are gonna
kill me for the money. And bring it back to
the fact that how serious this life we're living wasn't
And I remember thinking about my brother and I was thinking, like, man,
was he taking everything serious when he you know, like

(07:26):
we played with our lives, so whether we're gambling all
the time, it's like we take it too lightly. Now
I'm in the situation to that. How do I get out?
M hm hm, there goes my phone. That's the kidnap person.

(07:49):
I said, I have any one kilos and three? He said,
all right, make if I had a thousand and let's go.
Every ready, body the morning? All right, I have already
been the morning. We spent the night at the house,

(08:11):
all of us. We didn't, no one go home. I
went out to my brother's room and you know the bed,
you know it's there. It still looks the same. I
was tired, so I laid down in his bed. I
felt like religious, But what I'm gonna ask God, like

(08:33):
to save me from this problem that keep putting myself in.
I remember getting my knees and praying, and I said,
I gave my brother back. I promised I'll change my life.
That's why back. And that's what I said. I gusually
had a moment and I was just thinking about like us,

(08:56):
like I can't see what I like when I'm my brother. Yea.
By this time, I'm I don't know, laying on the floor.

(09:16):
And all day I was filthy again and just filthy.
Just remember them coming and telling me, come on, let's go.
Please let them be taking me home. Coming back in
the van. He has like a bottle of some kind

(09:45):
of alcohol cleanser. He starts springing me down, bringing the handcuff, sounds,
spraying everything he touched on me. I could see he
has clothes on. Thank It made me worry, like, dude,
where's he taking? No, I don't know I could smell
the alcohol too, that I could smell a cup from

(10:06):
the Hey's sprained on me. Did you say that they
might be taking you say, kill me? Yeah, I'm thinking
like he's cleaning the handcuffs off, any evidence. They drive
me for like an hour at least it was a
long hour. I could tell we're in traffic. I hear

(10:31):
the van stop. He pulls me off the back of
the van. He puts handcuff keys in my shoe. Can
you tell me those are the handcuff keys. Don't touch,
don't move, don't turn around. Count a hundred and my

(10:58):
eyes are still covered. It's sunny. It's like my eyes
are hurting because of you daylight. I take too hands off.
I try to see the dam, but he was gone
like that fast. He was gone. And look, I could
see a neighbor like I'm in the alley on the
floor and I'm doing I can see that there's a
man looking. He's looking like what the hell is going on?

(11:22):
And I'm trying to take the handcuffs off. And I
grab the handcuff key and I'm trying to take the
handcuffs off. I take one off, and then I'm trying
to walk away so he doesn't see me, but he's like, look,
I can see him picking like and then I just,
you know, stop and take you the handcuff key off
and throwing him away. I threw everything away, like the

(11:44):
last thing one is in times of pull up, and
him got a handcuffed, you know, and looking around like
where am I will before I jump out? I tell
him when he's putting me on the van. I remember
telling him, look, you got my phones. I said, do
me a favor. I need one phone for me. And
I had like the world smartest phone at the time.

(12:05):
It was like a pink little phone. I used to
use fash and and I didn't want to lose my
communication with her again, like because sometimes really difficult to
get older, and like I need that phone. He actually
brought it gave it to me. I used that phone
to call my brother. I didn't know where I was at.

(12:32):
I was like, I'm in the suburbs somewhere. I started
walking around. I could look at the street and I
remember like, okay, I kind of see the big street,
and once I get to a picture, I'm like, I
know where I'm at. I was like in the suburbs,
off of up like first Avenue in Roosevelt Road, you know,
SA Chicago, and I'm I called Jane. Look I'm on
Roosevelt and like ninth Avenue and he's like, don't worry,

(12:58):
I'm down the black ya he said, someone come get me.
And it was just like for such a relief to
be free from that. You know, what do it feel
like when they took you out of the van and

(13:19):
you knew they were going to release you and not
kill you, and that I was thinking, my brother, thinking
God like thinking out of that, I'm getting out of
this one day. How much it costed me? Of course,
and it changed me. That moment changed me to be
living through that changed me. It changed me, but not

(13:41):
made me change my life side. It changed it me inside.
You know what way I felt that vulnerability, like wow, man,
this is you know, to be hand called on the van,
like man, this is what you get for being the man.

(14:01):
You guys won't be the man. It comes on the cost.
And to be taken like that, being pushed around like that,
it was like horrible, I'm being helped captive, my life
on the line, and I don't know how long they're
gonna keep me here. I don't know if they're ever
gonna let me go alive. That was real, Like, that

(14:29):
was a kind of situation that we put ourselves in.
It's funny how we looked. I felt the same way
when I got knaped again when I went to prison.

(14:50):
Like those feelings, I could tell you they were like
identical to what I felt when we were in prison. Yeah,
h didn't change anything you then did from then on,

(15:23):
I did. I did how I was actually more careful.
But it didn't stop you from doing anything. It just
made me more careful. Yeah, I couldn't help. But wonder
if the twins were attempted to get revenge on kidnappers,
So will did you ever end up doing anything? I'm
not a revengeful person. I don't carry heat. I'm not

(15:46):
gonna waste my time in heading to someone. But he
let the lot start HM. With Pete being a little
more careful, Ja and Val felt safe enough to get married.

(16:08):
They honeymooned in Mexico in the small and sleepy country
town of halper Zacatecas, known for its colorful mudbrick houses
and cobbled stone streets. This is where the Twins family
is actually originally from, the boy's father and wants a
man in America was still living there as a fugitive,
and their older brother Armando, now out of jail, had

(16:31):
moved to Mexico to be with him. Since the minute
we got there, well, it was the happiest I've ever
seen her. One night and we're laying in bed, I'm
sleeping and she wakes up screaming hysterically crying, comes up

(16:57):
to bed and she's crying it's what I mean. And
I'm like, what you know, what happened? Like, what's wrong? Like?
And she's like, We're gonna go to jail for the
rest of your life. And I was like, I am
like like I'm shocked, Like i'ma can I go to
jail for the rest of your life? I only want

(17:19):
one thing, honestly, I want to ask you for one thing.
She said, just say yes to me. Whenever I asked
you for to say yes. And I'm like, Okay, let's
live here. I will never want to go back. I
was shocked, and it's a please, I'll do anything as

(17:43):
long as you stay here. And I said, all right,
I'll stay here with Jane val Happily in Mexico. Pete
was the only one left in Chicago, and he was
busy looking after the business. M h February nine thousand four.

(18:06):
Hear my phone start ringing, ringing, the ring. I think
that that's act like every drug day a nightmare to
have like twenty five minutes calls from a number right now,
what's going on? Remember and saying my phone and there's
my sister and she's like, b there in the houses,

(18:30):
everyone's house feather, they're looking for you, and they're looking
for JA. Don't go home, check this, just let the businesses.
They're everywhere, and I remember that panic hit. I'm calling,
you know, I'm calling checking everyone to see everyone's in pain.

(18:52):
I'm calling my attorney and yeah, they said it's kicking,
you know. They go to ten different places looking for
my brother and I have his assist and there's a
word out for our arrest. There's an depending and Diamond
out of Milwaukee. Their search wards. I'm like, yeah, that's
not good. And I'm sending that thing I wouldn't gonna do,

(19:17):
and just figuring out what's next. The first thing I
had to do is get our money together. I started
like just picking up, you know, money and arranging night
the drugs to be distributed, and and trying to keep
all my workers in order because I'm not sure what's
gonna happen. And once I get the money together and

(19:39):
I put the money away and I gotta leave, I
gotta making a week to Mexico. I crossed the linings
into Indiana and I go back on brand new Mini Round.
I just give him the cats, like I don't want
that back. And I had my friend's mom, listen, are
you interested? Would you like the new van? It's rand near,

(20:02):
like it's totally loaded, and then give you drive me
to Texas. I'll give it to you. Sure they're not understanding,
like what okay? So we drive from Chicago to Texas, Florio.
I remember thinking like how many times did I take

(20:22):
this trip? And now I'm going to Mexico this time
with the nervous thing instead of coming back Chicago with
the nervous pining, I'm leaving Chicago with the nervous pining.
I'm seeing Stay Troopers everywhere. I'm like, I guess it's
not good, Like I'm nervous. I throw my ideas around.
I have no ideas on me. My friend and his

(20:47):
mom's driving us. And then he's driving as well, and
then I come to find out that, yeah, my license suspended.
Bro do not getting that driversy ever again. Ye. So
we drive to San Antonio where his family, let's say.
He's like, no, I'm just going about Pops drivels across
the border. He always over there anyway. My Dad's like, okay,

(21:10):
taking the sweet time, and I'm already feeling so anxious,
like please, let's just get on here. I'm thinking like
they can combine us. He's like that, let's take my
chuck the chucks. I'm halfwy like breaking down and let's
see like trumping off and putting it carbureted loidor and

(21:31):
fill in the Ohio, I'm not, we don't have time
for this. It was just like so stressful for me
just to get to the border. I remember calling my
brother to him, look, I'm gonna be there. We were

(21:56):
crossing the boarding already had some noon like Friday or something,
and just feeling some really to have crossed that border.
It's to Mexico. We used to have this spot where
we like the nicest hotel and novel Ardo was like
the Hilton Guardien or something where we would stay, you know,

(22:19):
all the time I remember till you just picked me
up there A couple of hours later, you know, everyone comes.
It's a vow jay, my brother, Mombo and his wife,
they can pick me out. We're like, I'm just so
happy to see so then like, okay, we made it out.

(22:41):
You know, I'm trying to, you know, catch my brother
everything that I did, and everything was going on, just
thinking that what was next. You know, it was a
mess driving back home, just so much to catch up
on them, taking like we're gonna to make our lives there.
Driving back, you mean, back home to Mexico, like tot

(23:02):
second home. We drove to a border and when we
got to see Peter, the first thing he did was
kissed the floor. He said, I just feel like a
low was lifted up my shoulders and we just started driving.

(23:29):
So here we are mean about Peter. No, the brother,
and my sister all it did really good. Of course,
things had dramatically changed since we were all together. That
was the first time we were out together again. The
intensity of those last days, and I'm looking for my

(23:49):
brother to help me, like, give me what do you
think my brother was a honeymoon and can't cool And
I'm like bro, Yeah, you gotta get the hell out
of home. My god, you gotta get this. I had
to go innocent. We'll just say it out loud. My
brother Teams said every time he was going to something,
I was like having Finally, how did you say that?
You don't forget? Let's recording this podcast was the first

(24:13):
time the brothers have been in the same room together
for well at least a decade, so sometimes there was
a bit of unresolved tension in the room. Going back
to Mexico, there was one person who hadn't joined them yet,
Pete's love Viv, who followed her heart across the border.
She got on the next plane out to Chicago to

(24:35):
join the rest of the family. At first, there was
a bit of uncertainty around what would happen to the business,
and little by little I was going to kind of
feed out and stop doing that like step son drugs
and did the opposite happen? M hm. So my brother Peter,

(25:15):
because we couldn't trust many people, he would just communicate
with me. So I'm the one talking to everyone on
the phone say I went, you know, I'm getting closed.
I'm calling everybody to meet him. Are constantly on the
phone because we knew that we mean him could communicate
in a safe way. I'm kind of doing all the

(25:39):
arrangements and I'm the one kind of talking to the
to our workers back home that everything is kind of
going through me and my brother had like our our
way of community to exchangeing numbers, like we could, you know,
we had a little cold to be like okay, and
if we felt comfortable, we could call each other. I
write this cold down and he'll give me the sequence

(25:59):
of the number that could like unlock on my side
and I'll be like, okay, I know what number he has,
you know, so we can come to I don't care
of the films are listening to that. Yeah. By the
time they figured this out, what we had another phone.

(26:21):
We start to promote some of our workers so it's
not we're not there no more. We need eideneers. So
our right hand man, who was with us for the beginning,
we promoted him, You're gonna oversee everything because you're there
in Chicago. We're gonna give you a percentage, and we're
gonna give you the ability to start picking up your

(26:42):
own customers. And now you could actually make money. And
you gotta oversee everything, and he you know, he knew
the business were just forever. So for sure, we just
started promoting different you know, people to take a bigger
tests that we're gonna gonna be able to be there.
And it wasn't planning. It kind of developed as you

(27:03):
needed it. There was no drug Enterprise for Dummies book
out there, even though we write one. We should know,
I'm not promoting that, like I'm not from This was
what we feel is gonna work beast And as we
went along, we adjusted. We you know, we learned the
hard way. We're being mistakes and we were learned from them.

(27:24):
And we kept calling we're twenty two years old. You know,
we're twenty two years old. We're on the run. Don't
forget I'm the run. Is is is a pretty nice
on the run, if that makes any sense. Once we

(27:48):
got to me and I felt like freeing to leave,
Americans had like man like how they come down here
and gives it's gonna be a wild So we have
some freedom and you know, feel a little bit free
in times he's and not only that that when the
Marshall and DA came like they didn't affect my business.
They had an indicting, but that's it, Like, you know,

(28:10):
my crew still that they didn't golden and I felt
like I was lost up ahead of them, you know. Yeah,
it was streets. It was liberating, like okay, now I
don't have worry about that, and I would make yourself
comfortable when we got there. They had Bob poppanys and
we had about cars. I remember my dad's advice at

(28:33):
our all home to go to the leat our own
be apples to drive and we're able to live our
like I don't know such sweet like moments in our lives,
our memories, you know, to you to get as a
family and like really thank my wife and I you
know later in Ja to really have that foundation of
our apart little from each other. Mm hmm, son sense

(29:00):
you know, it rains and the power of go out,
and I still remember like vow making the best time
of it, like it's the time we're born. No, we're
gonna put your raids and we're not used to that.
Let's push you raid, guys. It's just a family gathering
and we'll just make the best out of it, like
just doing the simplest things. And I don't think that

(29:22):
me and my brother ever had that like as a family,
and our family was always more like loving but serious book,
you know, And I share this with You're like, I
never played cards, I never played board games. I didn't
play it against I didn't know what chess was. I
didn't play scrabble. And you know that comes from a

(29:48):
different family where she's like, let's you know, let's play this,
and let's play a card game. And I'm a spade queen.
I'm like, what spade and they'll laugh at me. Yea.
He made the best out of We would all have
fun no matter what should involved. My parents, you know,

(30:09):
they were like you know in Mexican and then my
dad and like, no, we're gonna do this. It was
a good time. M h. Yeah. So that's time with
your mom and dad. The older brother because he and

(30:33):
his family, he's living there, so I'll take we'd all
go to like the horse Traces with my dad and
my mom and all of us. Now that we're down there,
it was easier to kind of like to meet people.
We're buying like different properties, so we're meeting old people
that were in the villains like a long time ago,
and I'd be like like, oh, he has the biggest

(30:55):
you know, y'aba field in the state. You no, we're
trying to dive friends, I haven't need at the same time,
you know, to see what's out there. And it seems like,
you know, like I said that you've got money. They
respect you your names, like dad, that's a good name.
And that kind of helped our whole situation. The well
difficult thing that we can cool it was bringing the

(31:16):
money down. So how did you get the money from
Chicago to Mexico? For every problem is there's solution if
we'll bring down a minute dollars at a time. They
already checked the cars coming across. But we're like, man,

(31:38):
you know, a man in dollars sits in the shoot,
so as will be like, okay, we'll find somebody. Hey,
you want a free car, you want a job, been
under name put insurance, do all that. Here's fifty. The
drugg was still coming the same way, same system. Just
we're not there. I'm not letting no one like say
control that, um do anything. They're not seeing us before.

(31:59):
We'll hands and we will see our customers all the time.
But we're just doing it like that be a telephone
like everything you're phone and you know it's working out.
Could you know, almost feels like they've never left. But
it's just very time consuming on the phone every step.
We had like a little meeting where we had all

(32:21):
our workers come out together and listen, this is gonna
be the new normal. Not we're not there. Peter's like, um,
let's get some forward. It just covered before with it.
Well what about everybody else? And like okay, almost say
cause eight times okay, the US twenty one in their eyes,

(32:41):
we're just Americans here on vacation. And see is that
what you were seeing as No, no, not that has
no but I see people started talking. We started going
out like let's go to a little bar, and man,
we walked to the bar like we're walking down the
streets like so friendly and calm in the town, has
a little set and we're anyone sits down and has

(33:01):
their coffee and excused waters. And you know, I have
a whole crew of all these little kids will follow
over everywhere wet, you know, like teenagers now. Give them
a little money and buying some shoes and stuff, and
I'm like, goals, you know, tell the owner to be
out some champagne. So they'll bring the case of champagne

(33:23):
for the biggest city can closest to us, and then
we'll go drink. I remember ask and I'm like, how
much is a case of coronas? I think it's like
dirty pacils or something like three dollars, Give me a
hundred of ums and just give him to everyone everyone
pretty pretty bud. We drove my dad mad, like we

(33:50):
were driving him crazy because he knew what people are
gonna think, like what are you guys doing. We needed
some type of protection as well, so we got the
police force and we started to donate just to be safe.
They started working for us. Remember at this time in
my twenties, Like you know, I really want to say

(34:12):
that about corruption in Maxwell or anywhere even here, Like
I do understand that the negative things that come with corruption,
like what should corrupt someone a little bit? They're corrupt
all the way and once they take money from you,
don't take me from anyone. That system doesn't like work
for the people because it will affect them in everywhere manageable.

(34:34):
And I think that we didn't see that at the time.
Work for us. It works sure what we're doing, so
but we didn't see that next you know, they're cutting
corners on their daily job. They're not really doing their
jobs anymore because they're corrupt. You know, whether it's a
government politician, they have their self interest at him. And
all this time you're working the fans. There's there's new

(34:57):
things we're doing, like at the time, we have to
be to come to go with like you know, meeting
people don't well start meeting people. We have products, we
have cocaine, and we have a distribution. We don't like.
We never stopped sending. We never stopped so we're always
open to new opportunities. We're always looking for the next thing,
just in case. It was always us, even though we

(35:20):
were comfortable, always kind of starting the new thing while
the good thing that was working for was going. I
never intended to miss a phone call from any one
of my phones. It was just so much going on,
so many different people coming in and out of the house,
different cars, Jay with his hundred phones, Pe with his

(35:43):
I mean, it was just overwhelming. It was a very overwhelming.
I didn't understand that either. I knew that the business
did come first, damn fair, and it was into this
situation we're in or I was in the shower. I'd
be like, oh yeah, it was never missed a call.

(36:05):
Definitely never missed a call. We could be in the
middle of dinner or in the middle, you know, of
a movie or whatever, and he would never miss a call.
I mind my own business, but I knew that whatever,
whatever was going to happen, that was going to come first,
and it was it was important. What did you have
a missical? There's so much a stake. My life was online,
my brother's life, everyone's lives are all being you know,

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not only mine. My work is my customer. I just
couldn't miss the couldn't afford to think that someone made
a decision that needed my you know, attended, and I did,
wasn't there and I missed the car. Someone's kind of
say they live it. Money is now our phones are
our lifeline. Literally, how many times did you have at
this time? He used laying because now anyone we talked

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to a can trust. So that means anyone the person
who helps with the cars, they got a full I
got a false personally out a card of you's got
a phone. I didn't trust the communication to like put
us in the vulnerable say where they can find us.
You know, I think that Peter and j they Michael
managed everybody, and I feel like they implemented that system

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that they learned in McDonald's to their own organization, their
own business. They felt like, Okay, well it's the fried
guy just has one job to do one thing and
make fries. You can't suck it up. In their mind,
they just felt like, I don't think for us, We're
just gonna think for you. We're a problem solvers. And

(37:43):
not only do I want to solve the problem, want
to solve it's the best way possible. So for every
little situation was like, how are we going to do this?
Now that we're here, we have experience, we we keep
does the workers in our warehouse right, how are we
gonna wait that? Like, you know what we're gonna do

(38:04):
as you keep needsing my because the shipment for getting
on the road, and that would bring that the Feds
with them. Did that happen all up? It happened often
nuts crossed to say we can't afoor to even take
their chance. So what we did is, you know what,
We're gonna have our drivers get a warehouse in Chicago

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and we're gonna make them get through them to our
house and if we need to have them sit there
for a couple of days. Once they're end, they're gonna
sit whilst we feel everything good. We'll send our drivers
and hid them to pick up the cocaine. And we're
gonna do the same in a We're gonna do the
same in Mexico. That way, one of them gets caught.
They don't know where the rest of the warehouses are.

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When we saw that, but we don't have to worry
about that. We took drug dealers that were selling drugs
that we knew, and we said were you can't have
no more drugs. You're gonna come work for us. If
we were signing twenty five kids for us a month,
I'm gonna be the doll knowlarge you're not making that
you can co work for us. You're a manager now.

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Sometimes we could have them sit in the house six
months at a time, wouldn't leave the house. We'll have
someone to actually bring them food and they would sit
there and take care of the drugs or account money
all day. Later on, we rated our own warehouse as
our own the lodges, we're out fitting our own vehicles,
we have, we have our own mechanics, having mechanics, we
have Carton lists, rug lists. We're probably a good eighteen

(39:38):
people at that time? Did you think everybody was something
obviously good? Around thirty people? And how many drugs do
you each? Because I suddenly sold at least a thousands,
you though day hundred twelve and the kiss of a month,
they started beat our benefit not to take the drugs

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the Chicago Club we to make more money, so us
get making these deals in l A and transported them.
It was more beneficient. So the common practice of the
drugs and the way it works is that wherever they
give you the drugs, you're gonna pay the price. So
if I get the drugs in l A, I'm getting
an l A price from I get the drugs in Chicago,

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I'm getting Chicago price. Get the drugs in New York,
I'm paying New York press. The farther it goes away
from the border, the higher the price. It was beneficient
for us to get the drugs in Mexico or in
l A. And it was for Chicago. And I realized
that the smallest person in our organization was putting was

(40:44):
the partners of part ones, the person they actually went
in handed the knoler to someone. It was so important
because without him I couldn't make my business work. And
I think like the same way where Amazon, if you
take care of your drivers, you delivery for snow, what's
your business based on nothing. Within a year of them

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being indicted out of Milwaukee and officially going on the
run to Mexico, they rebuilt their entire drug empire and
now have man stash houses across America, their own mechanic shops,
car yards, thirty staff, and were selling keys kilos a month,
easily bringing in three million dollars every single month. Not

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bad business for a couple of boys who are just
twenty two at the time. But the twins were always
looking for the next big thing, the next pathway to
more cash, more notoriety, more success, and they found one
in the form of a man named Guadaloupe also known
as Loupe or TiO uncle h. The first sign I

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picked him up, I didn't know him. My brother had
met him before, and so were I Then to go Twins,
you know, it's like just go pick him up to
the airport. Are you're gonna recognize and sees me? It's like,
sobod you know, deals like oh cool, okay, we leaves

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an older man imagine white hair glasses. He becomes, you know,
one of the biggest and most reliable cookie stupid with
his head up to that moment. We have a bunch
of issues. We get wrong. My work is can we

(42:58):
get rob perform? You can else. I tried to stop
the loads and say, read up, my house has been
compromised again. Don't say no more cokey, and he tells
me he can't stop that. Danny received dons of dolls.
He requested that my brother and I turned over all
our my favorite business. I want to warehouse. I want,

(43:23):
you know, the guys that helped me. This is not
like I can't do that. I'm not gonna do that.
Becaus like a week ten days later, it says, you
know what it's fix is right? Come on, it's not
it's fixes April, it doesn't five. I don't see him.

(43:47):
I brought a bunch of folds. I'm just giving him
some folds. That how you been? Whatever? We go, We
sit down, were just small talk, well five ten maybe
cool by and then um I heard the loudest bangs
go off. It sound like a grenade went up. They

(44:12):
kind of stolen, like what and I can hear it
coming from like the back of the house. You know,
you happened so fast, like honestly, it's just black hops.
And I hear the kind of yearning after the you know,

(44:34):
the loud bang, like yearning the island a little bit
to understand that they were yelling no fellow please when
I've seen their al S team as they're coming in
with ristles. They come in and they're like everybody down

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m surviving l Chapo. The Twins Who Brought Down a
Drug Lord is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and
me Charlie Webster. Our producers are myself alongside Jackson mcclennan.
Research and editorial support is from Casey Hurts. Edit and

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Executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and myself Charlie Webster.
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