March 19, 2025 • 14 mins
Join Lynn Hoffman for the classic replay of Music Saved Me with Pat Monahan from the band Train. Pat discusses his love of the healing power of music and how it inspires his creative process. Train is known for Grammy Winning sound including songs like, "Hey Soul Sister", "Drops of Jupiter", "Hey Soul Sister" and many more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Music Saved Me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
When Hay Soul Sister came out, there was a family
with a highly autistic child who is eight years old
and had not spoken one word in his lifetime.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The parents were in the kitchen and the television.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Was on in the other room, and obviously that video
for Hay Souls Sister was on, and they heard something
that they've never heard before and walked in and their
son was singing to Hey Soul Sister. The first thing
that they ever heard this eight year old do was
sing that song.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm Len Hoffman and this is the Music Saved Me podcast,
the podcast where we get to explore the healing powers
of music with some of the biggest names in music.
And we also love being supporters of Musicians on Call,
which is a wonderful charity that does tremendous work using
the healing power of music to make a difference for
so many today. Our guest is the leader of the
(00:53):
multi Grammy winning band and an old pal from Train,
Pat Monaghan. Pat, it is so great to have you
on Music Saved Me. I think it's been a minute
since I've seen you, and I actually still have the
Train bottle of wine here that I have not drunk yet,
so a very special occasion.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
For me today.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Great it is for me too, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
To the show.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I'm not sure when the last time we spoke was,
but today it's specifically about music and how it can heal.
And I'm curious, do you believe that music has healing powers?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, I've received emails many times that music has done
wonderful things for people that I've been a part of,
and I'm very grateful for those emails and conversations that
I've had. One particular was when Hey Souls Sister came out.
(01:53):
There was a family with a highly autistic child who
is eight years old and had not spoken one word
in his lifetime, and the parents are in the kitchen
and the television was on in the other room, and
obviously that video for Hay Soul Sister was on, and
they heard something that they've never heard before and walked
(02:15):
in and their son was singing to Hey Soul's Sister.
The first thing that they ever heard this eight year
old do was sing that song. So there's got to
be something in music that stimulates our brains and hearts
to shift or change or progress, whatever it is. But
(02:36):
I definitely believe in it. I know music has saved
my life many times.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Can you give us one example.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, I grew up in Erie, Pennsylvania, and music was
a thing that separated me from my peers.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That I tried.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Sports to do that, to be exceptional at it, and
that didn't work, and academic certainly didn't work, and there
weren't many other choices. So I would just sing to
everybody in class and it was usually Led Uppelin songs.
And then from there I became a singer and a
(03:13):
LEDs Upland cover band, and well, then I ended up
moving to Los Angeles and San Francisco to start training.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, you have a very strong connection with your fans.
They're called training acts. I've met quite a few of
them in my day, and I want to know what
it means to you when you hear from your fans
about their lives and their challenges and their loss.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, I mean, you know, it means as much as
it would mean if a close friend told you. Because
these people have been with me for you know, thirty years,
so we've become very close friends. We email each other
and sometimes talk on the phone, and other times we
meet on a cruise every other year. Which is really
(03:57):
a great way to connect with them and for them
to connect with us.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
There's this trend for artists to be transparent about their lives.
For example, we've had jelly Roll. We've also heard similar
stories from Brent Smith from Shineedown. I wonder you've always
been an open book about your life through your music.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I want to say, how difficult.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But is it even difficult for you to share what's
happening in your life with people through your music?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know, I share what feels like It wouldn't be
a burden for people. You know, when I do have struggles,
I don't really look to train fans for sympathy or comfort. However,
(04:44):
I will share similar stories that people are sharing with me.
But I don't feel like, you know, in a position
of you know, being a successful singer in a rock band,
that's hard for people to go, oh, well, isn't that
so bad that that happened to you? When people are
(05:05):
really struggling with big stuff. If someone shares something with me,
I will share a similar story if it feels appropriate,
But otherwise, you know, I keep my woes to myself.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Your song Drops of Jupiter, it's one of the greatest
songs of all time, if I may say, and it's
a very personal song to you, it's about your mom passing.
Can you tell us about how you created that, how
you were able to make that and put it out
there for people to hear.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We recorded an album called Something More and delivered it
to Columbia Records, and they didn't think we had a
first single. I was emotionally not in the mood because
I lost my mother just recently and now I don't
have a single for this record company. And one night
(05:57):
I went to sleep and probably was sleep for ten
minutes and woke up with all the lyrics and melodies
in my head as though my mother had delivered me
the message, this is what it's like when you go
to the other side. You can swim through the planets
and come back with drops of Jupiter in your hair
and don't worry about me. So then, you know, with
(06:20):
the looking for yourself out there, that was the emotional
part of it for me. That was like, it's it,
you know, somehow had to translate into a.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Love story, and so that was that was the little
bit of.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Something I gave to the song that maybe my mother
didn't deliver.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That were you surprised at how huge that song was
and how connected.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
With so many people.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There's no reason for that song to become a hit.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's the same thing as any other song that was
big for us, Like even Meet Virginia was a quirky
little song and a song with a yukulele and.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know, drops a jupiter.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was like four minutes and twenty seconds or something
at a time, and there were you know, two and
a half minutes songs on the radio. So that's so true.
It was a pretty interesting that that it happened.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You had a charity that you work with, your charity
house in San Francisco. Can you tell us about that
and what that work means to you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it's a it's a place called family House that
houses you know, low income families with very sick kids
that are being treated at UCSF Hospital. Most of them
are you know, brain tumors, eye tumors, things with the
head that UCSF Hospital is very specialized in. So when
(07:48):
we started making wine about twelve years ago, we decided
that it should be a reasonable a reasonably priced bottle
of wine from you know, the Bay area. Whether it
was nap or East Bay or somewhere so that train
fans could get a taste of where we're from. And
(08:08):
in the meantime, proceeds from those sales would go to
family house, and then every time that another charity event happens,
we just give them the money for that as well.
It's an incredible program that has saved people's lives and
dignity for many years.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's really exciting to hear about things that other people
do to help those but it also it's you know,
when you have that power and that platform to use
it for good.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Things, and it's just it's a special thing. I think.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I was obvious at the time that it was
time to give back to the Bay Area for all
they've done for us, So it was a pretty easy choice.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You had vocal surgery in the past, which is shocking
to me because I didn't realize that until I read
about it. You love what you're creating and the impact
that it has. What was it like for you going
through that surgery? I mean, did you think that you
were going to be able to still make music?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, that's the you know, that's an example of things
I don't share with with trained fans or anybody. I
think I recently mentioned that to someone then, and here
we are talking about it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh, forgive me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I had no It's okay, it is what it is.
I'm the one who said it. But you know it's
been it's been you know, five or more years now.
At the time, it was, you know, the scariest thing
that you know, you can imagine. And right prior to that,
I was playing golf and pro am and Pebble Beach
(09:44):
and I was with a guy who is also a
singer and told them I was about to fly to
San Francisco after the pro am to have vocal cord
surgery where they actually removed scar tissue from both folds
of my local chords because I couldn't there were times
I couldn't sing at all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And he said, man.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
That's like Tom Brady getting his right arm worked on.
That's not really what I was hoping you'd say. But
that even scared me more so. But anyway, when I
came out of it, and the doctor's name is Clark Rosen,
and he's originally practiced in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when I
(10:27):
met him, I just had a real connection to him,
and he did an incredible job. And here I am
able to sing in many cases better than I ever have.
There are certain things I can't do anymore, but for
the most part, I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I do voice work for my secondary job, and I
couldn't even imagine if someone said that I had to
go have that done, I'd be petrified. Did you listen
to any particular music to get you through it or
your own?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, well, you know, music is such an interesting thing.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Music wasn't going to be what was going to like
pull me out of being scared, because listening to people
sing is just like I want to keep being.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh yeah, So there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It was more of, you know, just communicating with the
people that I needed to about, knowing that it was
the right thing for me to do at the right time.
And but then shortly after music was everything because I
had to, you know, teach myself to sing in a
different way because I didn't want to end up having
(11:38):
to be back there or doing the same thing. So
I think singing those LEDs upland songs put me in
more jeopardy than I mean. That's why Robert Plant doesn't
do it anymore makes sense. You know, he's probably like,
what are you doing kids that look.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
On your face?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, in closing, how would you like your music to
be remembered in terms of the good that it spreads
in the world world.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, that's a big answer, because I'd like it to
be remembered. And you know, unfortunately, I'm a fan of
comedy and I just saw Ricky Jarvay special that was incredible,
and he was like, none of us will be remembered,
like it's just a matter.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Of time, and so, you know, quit being an asshole.
And he's right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I think, you know, for the short time that
we'll be here on the planet, and for however many
years after. I just think that music is supposed to
have hope.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I always did. I remember writing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The first few songs I ever wrote, and it was
at a time of grunge music, and so people were
like this sucks, like it's like it's so cushy, and
but for me, it was like, I don't know, man,
I think people need to have hope somewhere. So Calling
All Angels, you know, was at a time where I
was really I was really at odds with myself, like
(13:07):
we were successful, but I was incredibly unhappy and I
found an incredible therapist and she told me that we
are divided between angels and traders, and I had to
call my angels and I was like, consider it stolen.
Those are the things that gave me hope. And I
feel like that was the message I was supposed to deliver.
(13:30):
So hope is is underrated and really helps.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Do you think writing music also is sort of a therapeutic.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Like it's if I didn't have the ability to write music,
then I would be a mess because it really helps
a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I hope a lot of people hear that and try
it out. It's pretty it's pretty incredible, even if you're
not writing a song, just writing in general, getting your
thoughts out of the general.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, thank you, Pat, it was so good to see you.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Congratulations on all the continued success with the band, and
thank you for joining us on music save Me and
and for the joy.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That your music brings to so many. Well, thank you,
thank you, you too.
Music Saved Me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
When Hay Soul Sister came out, there was a family
with a highly autistic child who is eight years old
and had not spoken one word in his lifetime.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The parents were in the kitchen and the television.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Was on in the other room, and obviously that video
for Hay Souls Sister was on, and they heard something
that they've never heard before and walked in and their
son was singing to Hey Soul Sister. The first thing
that they ever heard this eight year old do was
sing that song.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm Len Hoffman and this is the Music Saved Me podcast,
the podcast where we get to explore the healing powers
of music with some of the biggest names in music.
And we also love being supporters of Musicians on Call,
which is a wonderful charity that does tremendous work using
the healing power of music to make a difference for
so many today. Our guest is the leader of the
(00:53):
multi Grammy winning band and an old pal from Train,
Pat Monaghan. Pat, it is so great to have you
on Music Saved Me. I think it's been a minute
since I've seen you, and I actually still have the
Train bottle of wine here that I have not drunk yet,
so a very special occasion.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
For me today.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Great it is for me too, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
To the show.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I'm not sure when the last time we spoke was,
but today it's specifically about music and how it can heal.
And I'm curious, do you believe that music has healing powers?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, I've received emails many times that music has done
wonderful things for people that I've been a part of,
and I'm very grateful for those emails and conversations that
I've had. One particular was when Hey Souls Sister came out.
(01:53):
There was a family with a highly autistic child who
is eight years old and had not spoken one word
in his lifetime, and the parents are in the kitchen
and the television was on in the other room, and
obviously that video for Hay Soul Sister was on, and
they heard something that they've never heard before and walked
(02:15):
in and their son was singing to Hey Soul's Sister.
The first thing that they ever heard this eight year
old do was sing that song. So there's got to
be something in music that stimulates our brains and hearts
to shift or change or progress, whatever it is. But
(02:36):
I definitely believe in it. I know music has saved
my life many times.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Can you give us one example.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, I grew up in Erie, Pennsylvania, and music was
a thing that separated me from my peers.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That I tried.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Sports to do that, to be exceptional at it, and
that didn't work, and academic certainly didn't work, and there
weren't many other choices. So I would just sing to
everybody in class and it was usually Led Uppelin songs.
And then from there I became a singer and a
(03:13):
LEDs Upland cover band, and well, then I ended up
moving to Los Angeles and San Francisco to start training.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, you have a very strong connection with your fans.
They're called training acts. I've met quite a few of
them in my day, and I want to know what
it means to you when you hear from your fans
about their lives and their challenges and their loss.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, I mean, you know, it means as much as
it would mean if a close friend told you. Because
these people have been with me for you know, thirty years,
so we've become very close friends. We email each other
and sometimes talk on the phone, and other times we
meet on a cruise every other year. Which is really
(03:57):
a great way to connect with them and for them
to connect with us.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
There's this trend for artists to be transparent about their lives.
For example, we've had jelly Roll. We've also heard similar
stories from Brent Smith from Shineedown. I wonder you've always
been an open book about your life through your music.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I want to say, how difficult.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But is it even difficult for you to share what's
happening in your life with people through your music?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know, I share what feels like It wouldn't be
a burden for people. You know, when I do have struggles,
I don't really look to train fans for sympathy or comfort. However,
(04:44):
I will share similar stories that people are sharing with me.
But I don't feel like, you know, in a position
of you know, being a successful singer in a rock band,
that's hard for people to go, oh, well, isn't that
so bad that that happened to you? When people are
(05:05):
really struggling with big stuff. If someone shares something with me,
I will share a similar story if it feels appropriate,
But otherwise, you know, I keep my woes to myself.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Your song Drops of Jupiter, it's one of the greatest
songs of all time, if I may say, and it's
a very personal song to you, it's about your mom passing.
Can you tell us about how you created that, how
you were able to make that and put it out
there for people to hear.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
We recorded an album called Something More and delivered it
to Columbia Records, and they didn't think we had a
first single. I was emotionally not in the mood because
I lost my mother just recently and now I don't
have a single for this record company. And one night
(05:57):
I went to sleep and probably was sleep for ten
minutes and woke up with all the lyrics and melodies
in my head as though my mother had delivered me
the message, this is what it's like when you go
to the other side. You can swim through the planets
and come back with drops of Jupiter in your hair
and don't worry about me. So then, you know, with
(06:20):
the looking for yourself out there, that was the emotional
part of it for me. That was like, it's it,
you know, somehow had to translate into a.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Love story, and so that was that was the little
bit of.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Something I gave to the song that maybe my mother
didn't deliver.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That were you surprised at how huge that song was
and how connected.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
With so many people.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There's no reason for that song to become a hit.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's the same thing as any other song that was
big for us, Like even Meet Virginia was a quirky
little song and a song with a yukulele and.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know, drops a jupiter.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was like four minutes and twenty seconds or something
at a time, and there were you know, two and
a half minutes songs on the radio. So that's so true.
It was a pretty interesting that that it happened.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You had a charity that you work with, your charity
house in San Francisco. Can you tell us about that
and what that work means to you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it's a it's a place called family House that
houses you know, low income families with very sick kids
that are being treated at UCSF Hospital. Most of them
are you know, brain tumors, eye tumors, things with the
head that UCSF Hospital is very specialized in. So when
(07:48):
we started making wine about twelve years ago, we decided
that it should be a reasonable a reasonably priced bottle
of wine from you know, the Bay area. Whether it
was nap or East Bay or somewhere so that train
fans could get a taste of where we're from. And
(08:08):
in the meantime, proceeds from those sales would go to
family house, and then every time that another charity event happens,
we just give them the money for that as well.
It's an incredible program that has saved people's lives and
dignity for many years.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's really exciting to hear about things that other people
do to help those but it also it's you know,
when you have that power and that platform to use
it for good.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Things, and it's just it's a special thing. I think.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I was obvious at the time that it was
time to give back to the Bay Area for all
they've done for us, So it was a pretty easy choice.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You had vocal surgery in the past, which is shocking
to me because I didn't realize that until I read
about it. You love what you're creating and the impact
that it has. What was it like for you going
through that surgery? I mean, did you think that you
were going to be able to still make music?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, that's the you know, that's an example of things
I don't share with with trained fans or anybody. I
think I recently mentioned that to someone then, and here
we are talking about it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh, forgive me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I had no It's okay, it is what it is.
I'm the one who said it. But you know it's
been it's been you know, five or more years now.
At the time, it was, you know, the scariest thing
that you know, you can imagine. And right prior to that,
I was playing golf and pro am and Pebble Beach
(09:44):
and I was with a guy who is also a
singer and told them I was about to fly to
San Francisco after the pro am to have vocal cord
surgery where they actually removed scar tissue from both folds
of my local chords because I couldn't there were times
I couldn't sing at all.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And he said, man.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
That's like Tom Brady getting his right arm worked on.
That's not really what I was hoping you'd say. But
that even scared me more so. But anyway, when I
came out of it, and the doctor's name is Clark Rosen,
and he's originally practiced in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when I
(10:27):
met him, I just had a real connection to him,
and he did an incredible job. And here I am
able to sing in many cases better than I ever have.
There are certain things I can't do anymore, but for
the most part, I can do it all.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I do voice work for my secondary job, and I
couldn't even imagine if someone said that I had to
go have that done, I'd be petrified. Did you listen
to any particular music to get you through it or
your own?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, well, you know, music is such an interesting thing.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Music wasn't going to be what was going to like
pull me out of being scared, because listening to people
sing is just like I want to keep being.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh yeah, So there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It was more of, you know, just communicating with the
people that I needed to about, knowing that it was
the right thing for me to do at the right time.
And but then shortly after music was everything because I
had to, you know, teach myself to sing in a
different way because I didn't want to end up having
(11:38):
to be back there or doing the same thing. So
I think singing those LEDs upland songs put me in
more jeopardy than I mean. That's why Robert Plant doesn't
do it anymore makes sense. You know, he's probably like,
what are you doing kids that look.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
On your face?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, in closing, how would you like your music to
be remembered in terms of the good that it spreads
in the world world.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, that's a big answer, because I'd like it to
be remembered. And you know, unfortunately, I'm a fan of
comedy and I just saw Ricky Jarvay special that was incredible,
and he was like, none of us will be remembered,
like it's just a matter.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Of time, and so, you know, quit being an asshole.
And he's right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I think, you know, for the short time that
we'll be here on the planet, and for however many
years after. I just think that music is supposed to
have hope.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I always did. I remember writing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The first few songs I ever wrote, and it was
at a time of grunge music, and so people were
like this sucks, like it's like it's so cushy, and
but for me, it was like, I don't know, man,
I think people need to have hope somewhere. So Calling
All Angels, you know, was at a time where I
was really I was really at odds with myself, like
(13:07):
we were successful, but I was incredibly unhappy and I
found an incredible therapist and she told me that we
are divided between angels and traders, and I had to
call my angels and I was like, consider it stolen.
Those are the things that gave me hope. And I
feel like that was the message I was supposed to deliver.
(13:30):
So hope is is underrated and really helps.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Do you think writing music also is sort of a therapeutic.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Like it's if I didn't have the ability to write music,
then I would be a mess because it really helps
a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I hope a lot of people hear that and try
it out. It's pretty it's pretty incredible, even if you're
not writing a song, just writing in general, getting your
thoughts out of the general.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, thank you, Pat, it was so good to see you.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Congratulations on all the continued success with the band, and
thank you for joining us on music save Me and
and for the joy.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That your music brings to so many. Well, thank you,
thank you, you too.
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