August 27, 2025 • 28 mins
In this heartfelt episode of Music Saved Me, host Lynn Hoffman sits down with singer-songwriter Kalie Shorr to explore the powerful role music has played in her journey of healing and self-discovery. Kalie shares how songwriting and performing became a refuge during her most challenging moments, offering a voice to her resilience and identity. Through candid conversations, she opens up about overcoming obstacles, embracing authenticity, and the profound ways music has saved her life. Join us for an intimate and inspiring conversation on the healing power of music and the strength found in vulnerability.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Music saved me, Kayleie, I'm so grateful that you're here,
and I'm also glad that you are back on the scene.
I'm glad that the last few years didn't keep you
from coming back, because I've done some research into you
and your story is pretty amazing, and so I'm grateful
that you would come on and share it. Even if
it meant just helping one person cope with life's thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That means a lot. I was having a conversation with
my manager about that today, just about like how most
people probably would have called it quits around the time
that they had to go be a bottle girl at
a club, and I did it. And I'm really thankful
because you know, I'm back doing what I love every day,
and you know that's not something anyone should ever take
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for granted.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, that is for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, you know, I feel like we've already started chatting,
and if you wouldn't mind, we'd take a quick break
and then we're going to come back and we're going
to get right into it with Kaylee Shore, the amazing
Kaylee Shore.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Right after this music Saved Me.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Have you ever felt caught between heartbreak and hope? Where
a single song becomes your lifeline. Well, welcome to Music
Save Me, the podcast where we discussed just how that
perfect melody can truly save us. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman,
and if you love the show, thank you, and be
sure to check out our companion podcast, which is Comedy
Saved Me, available wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Now Today, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We are joined by the authentic and incredibly talented recording
artist singer songwriter Kaylie Shure, who has turned her personal
struggles into anthems and her pain into power and oh
my god, does she have power. Her new EP, My
Type has been hailed by Variety as a stunning return
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of one of the very best of the post Avril
generation of alternative pop singers. Join us as we explore
the moments where music wasn't just her passion, it was
her survival and may I also add Kaylee's performed on
stage with people like oh Stevie Nicks and Leanne Rimes,
Sarah Evans. There's quite a long list. Welcome Kaylee. Sure
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to Music Saved Me. You've been doing this quite a while,
even though you're still dare I say, in your twenties.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Not quite di I just turned thirty one, but I
do still feel like twenty five. And I think that
given that, given that I lost three years in my
twenties to COVID, I think that that should be subtracted
so emotionally twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh I like that. Wait, that's it. We're going to
take three years off for COVID.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, you can't leave the house. Are you even in
your twenties?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so that's like taking three pounds off when you're
on the scale if you're fully clothed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, yes, you get it. You get it. It's the
exact same thing. Yeah, it's it's been quite the journey.
I've been doing music full time for eleven years. I've
been a you know, professional recording artist for ten. My
first single, fight Like a Girl, came out almost exactly
ten years ago, so I'm going to have to figure
out how I celebrate that. But yeah, it's been quite
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the journey.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It has. Well, welcome to music, save me, and I
want to start with you first, kind of like go
back to when you were young. Do you remember when
you were first introduced to music and was there a
particular artist or an album that always felt sort of
like a safe place for you when you were growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think I always loved The Chicks. That
was one of the first albums I remember being fully
sentient and processing the lyrics of. There's a song on
there called Cold Day. In July actually released it covers project,
so you can hear my cover of that anywhere you
stream music. But it's a song about somebody leaving on
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a beautiful day, and I think that that's really relatable
because you know the world and I have a song
called The World Keeps Spinning about that same phenomenon, where
you know you're having one of the most heartbreaking days
of your life and you look outside and the sun
shining and you're like, well, this doesn't match. And my
grandfather had passed away when I was seven, and I
remember listening to that song and really creating my own
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meaning out of it, And that's probably one of the
first times I remember using music as a way to
process something really difficult. And then from there as my
emotions got aanksier and you know, just that teen angst rage.
I loved Alanis Moore set I still do. I've been
lucky enough to see her play live see her musical
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on Broadway, and she's just always been a safe space.
And then naturally, as most girls my age will say,
Taylor Swift for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Of course, of course, when when did you know that
you're like, okay, wait, music can actually heal me or
heal people.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do you remember, Yeah, I mean probably around that time,
And that was around the time that I started writing
songs the first time as well, and they were all
very you know, very six seven years old at the time.
They were about like stealing soda from the fridge out
a sleepover and very rebellious. But you know, I mean
that's just something that's continually proven to be true over
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my entire life with loss, both like losing family members
and going through breakups and body image. I mean, it's
that's a lesson that's showed itself to me probably every
year of my life. But I mean that probably seven
years old is around the time. I mean, I loved
lyrics as long as I can remember, and that was
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always something that was really important to me.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did you know that you always wanted to sing or
write or perform entertain that kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Literally as long as I can remember, And I at
the time I thought it was a curse. Now I
know it was a blessing, but I never had stage
parents and they really were dead set on me taking
my time with doing it, so I was never pushed
into anything. But at the same time, you know, the
one thing I always wanted to do was pick up
my guitar. So if I was getting grounded and they
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were like, okay, well no TV, I'd be like, Okay,
I don't care, or like, oh, you can't go over
to your friend's house and be like oh no, but
then they need my guitar and I'd be like, oh
my gosh. So you know, it was always something that
I just wanted to do, and I feel like not
having stage parents really helped me foster that love for
it because it was a space that was just for me.
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No one was forcing me to do it. There were
definitely other things I considered doing, because mostly I felt
the pressure in school when someone would say what do
you want to be when you grow up? I knew
I sounded stupid saying pop star. I was like embarrassed
to say it, so I'd usually say like lawyer or
investigative journalist, And you know, I still feel like I
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love the skills that come with those and I bring
those into my personal life. Like, you can't lie to me,
is it possible? Don't even try. But yeah, music, I mean,
as long as I can remember.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So that you said that, I have to tell you
that I felt the same way when I wanted I
knew when I was seven that I wanted to do
entertain and entertaining of some sort because I was in
the theater production and when I made people smile, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Like I was hooked.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But you're so right, because if you're going to be
in a business like this, I guess you have to
have a certain amount of an ego, to a healthy ego,
so to speak. But you didn't want to seem show
offye in front of your friends or people that you
cared about because of their view of the industry. So
I used to tell people I sell shoes. I want
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to sell shoes for a living and open a shoes
you know. I never would say I want to be
in television, radio and broadcasting or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So kudos too for.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's like, it's definitely you don't want to be showoffee,
and especially like anything that makes you stand out as
a kid is detrimental to your social standing. But it's
also going to be exactly what makes you cooler as
you can older. And I always tell kids that when
I go visit music classes whenever I'm on tour, I
usually try to make time to go to the local
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high school and talk to the music classes and you know,
share my experience as somebody who's been able to make
a living out of my passion. And there's always like
one or two kids at the end of every class
who I can just tell they've just been locked in
the whole time. Like the kids all seem to have fun.
They're like, wow, there's a musician here, but there's always
one or two and I look at them and I
see myself in them, and they'll have like questions afterwards
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that are just really thoughtful, and I'm like, you might
actually do this, and you know, I try to really
put some extra time into those kids.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's so good of you to do that and to
be able to give back. I mean, I think that's
the biggest thing when you get a platform, is you know,
do you give back or not? And that will really,
you know, that shows who you are as a person.
I think, especially I'm sure as you know very well
in this industry. You know, there's a lot of people
out there that a lot and they don't all really
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mean what they say.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, and what a useless thing to do, right, Like
why would I wait? Like I just feel like I
only have so many few I've only had so many
hours in the day. I'm like, why would I waste
it saying something I don't mean or I'm not going
to follow through on, Like that's just I could be
doing something else else.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So plus, these kids, really, I mean, even you to
a certain degree, I didn't have to deal with social
media or any of that, or cell phones and all
of this. So I mean, that's certainly a much more
difficult mountain to climb to be involved in an industry
that is so public.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Definitely, And that was something I experienced from a super
young age and part of what I do for my
side hustles now as I do social media consulting for
other artists and brands, which doesn't feel so much like
a self like a side hustle, But I have been
working with this teenage girl who's getting over the fear
of putting herself out there on the internet for fear
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of being iculed by her classmates and I could walk
her through that because I had my first viral video
at sixteen, And that's I always tell people, because there's
a psychology to it. There's psychology to fame, to going viral,
to doing music, and that's arguably the most important part
of it, because if you can't keep your brain in
the right place, you're not going to be able to
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do it. You can't fulfill your obligations and follow your dreams.
So I'm always telling her and my other clients, like,
you know, the human brain has not evolved to fully
process fame or the Internet. We're only really equipped to
know and remember about three hundred people in our lifetime
because that was the size of a village that our
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ancestors lived in. And our you know, knowledge and innovation
as humans has evolved past our own capabilities, and now
we have AI, which is this whole other thing I
wanted to get into. But you have to like really
really try super hard to even fab them what's going
on when you go viral. And so the fact that
I was doing that without a prefrontal cortex still blows
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my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I love that you know that too.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And by the way, just so you know, girls develop
it sooner than voice, which explains so much why. But
we have to be equipped because we burrowed the babies. Okay,
enough of that, I don't want to make the metal
turn it off.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is there one song?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And I ask you this with almost kind of knowing
the answer, But for our audience who may not know
who you are, I also want to let them know
that you started off in country, you have a full
solid eight years of country music under your belt, and
now you're relaunching as an alternative artist. Your voice, forget it,
it's just amazing, so you could sing anything and make
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it sound incredible. But was there one song throughout your
career so far that you can say definitively changed your life?
I might be able to guess, but I'm not quite
sure if I'm going to be right or not, so
I'm going to let you answer first.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, I feel like we're on the same page. But
definitely my first single, Fight Like a Girl, was I mean,
I don't want to say I took it for granted
at the time, but there is definitely Despite me, you know,
being fully funded, growing up in the projects, raised by
a single mom, all of the difficulties that came with that,
I was incredibly privileged that my first single connected so well,
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and I was immediately off to the races, and looking back,
I'm like, wow, that is not something everybody gets. And
not only was that song huge for the trajectory of
my career, it also really said something and I feel
really lucky for that that I don't have to perform
this song ten years later that I wouldn't stand behind
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or even like even like it was about an ex
boyfriend or something like. I don't Sometimes I get bored
of my songs if I'm like over the situation. But
that's something that I'll never get over. That's why I
think it's important to sing about yourself, because the people
you date will never be the most interesting thing about you.
Your perspective will be. And so the fact that at
twenty years old when I wrote that that was the case,
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I'm very thankful for and I'm very thankful that it's
resonated with people on so much of a deeper level
than what I even wrote this song about. I think
that's the beautiful thing about music. The you know, my
favorite chick song Cold Dandeli was written about a breakup,
but I took it to help me through graving my grandfather,
So I fight like a girl. I remember distinctly when
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it was on Sirius XM The Highway. I went in
to do a to co host one of the shows,
and they played me before I went on air a
voicemail that they got from a female soldier in Afghanistan
who said that she listened to the song every day.
I'm gonna get a tearya. This happened like ten years ago,
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every day before she started her day, and she'd listen
to it in her headphones and her bunk in Afghanistan
to give her the resolve through the day. And I
heard from so many people who'd survived cancer and it
mustic violence and all these different things, and I was like, Wow,
I wrote this about the music industry being sexist towards women,
and you've just made it so much bigger. So many
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people have it tattooed on them, like my handwriting or
the lyrics, or one girl has a full back tattoo.
And it's just crazy to me that something I wrote
when I was so young could resonate that much. But
it's also a song that I've had to come back
to and remind myself of as I've gone through more
and more difficult things in my personal life and the industry,
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so I'm like, I see why people needed that song
because I ended up needing it down the road as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I mean, it's amazing when you do something for yourself
and then you realize how much it resonates with other people.
It just breathes new life into even yourself all over again.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like you just said, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Right back with more of the Music Savany podcast. Welcome
back to the Music Save for Me podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And speaking of being personal, your lyrics are unabashedly personal,
raw and very honest, which I love.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Is there a line or a song.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Of yours that you felt especially vulnerable to write and
record or share?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I should say absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, I think that the songs that scare me
when I, you know, go to release them, are usually
means that there's something to the song. I think. My
song Escape is still one of my favorites I've ever written.
I wrote it about the addiction I saw growing up
with my family, and it covers a lot of different bases.
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And I try really hard because my lyrics are so
personal and no matter what you're going to be singing about,
other people and their decisions and what they've done. And
I try really hard to have a really rigid value
system when it comes to that, because you're singing about
other people's stories. Now, if someone cheats on me, they
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shouldn't have cheated on me. I'm going to write a
song about it. You now made that my story. But
when it comes to more sensitive topics, I remember playing
it for my family before it came out, and I
was so nervous because it talks about my sister's opioid addiction,
my family's kind of toxic relationship with religion, and my
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brother's alcoholism, as well as my own eating disorder, which
is a lot for one song, So trigger warning if
you go to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
The thing that scared me most wasn't necessarily admitting my
part of the story, but was putting other people's out there.
But you can't deny that those things would affect me
so much. But it's other people's stories that I try
to be the most careful with. But that was definitely
a difficult song. But it also sums up pretty much
all the struggles of my childhood and it felt so
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cathartic to write. And then to release and now to
sing and have other people take their own meaning from it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And you know when you say that, though you just referenced,
you know, you're telling your story, but you're also telling
other people's stories. Does it ever come into your head
that one you're telling your story that someone else? For example,
I was when I was on Twitter. I'm not on anymore.
I would write these just if I was going to
be on a public platform.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It was only going to be positivity. That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I don't want to put anything else out there because
I don't need to add to the worsening of society.
Somebody got upset with me because well, I'm not that strong.
How can you write that? Because that's not you know,
it doesn't work for me. So when you're writing songs
that are extremely personal and you're transforming that personal pain
or struggle into something you know, anthemic and relatable, do
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you ever think how can you possibly please everyone?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh? For sure. I mean that's the thing about the
Internet is you're getting feedback in real time. People used
to have to wait for album reviews to come out
or you know here. I mean, you just you didn't
have to deal with all the noise, people would have
to say things about you and like a tabloid or whatever,
which has happened to me, and that's also very upsetting.
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But yeah, you're getting all this feedback in real time
and when a song is exploding. Like my single Amy,
I wrote that about a a friend who started dating
my abusive ex boyfriend a month after we broke up.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Was she really a friend?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Well?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, looking that noll, But that song, like you know,
and I had her name in it, and I thought
about it really carefully before I released it. From a
you know, here's my excuse perspective. I only did that
because she had put other people's names in the song
that I was responding to, so I was like, Okay,
well these are the roles, so I'm gonna play by them.
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And I wouldn't really change anything because that was something
that ended up I ended up hearing from so many
people who'd gone through that, and just like the invalidation
and the gaslighting of having someone you cared about just
completely not care that somebody hurt you to that degree.
But I have had to be really thoughtful with how
we went about that and just be careful to not
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put in any details that don't need to be there
just for the sake of like being vengeful. That's something
I really hope nobody feels about me. So when I
see comments like that that are like, oh, you're just
trying to get revenge or you're being vindictive, like those
are my that's the worst way I can feel misunderstood.
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So that noise does get to me. But I do
have this after going viral so many times for music
and just sharing my story, I do have a way
to kind of switch it off and just understand that,
Like you know, overall, I do believe that people are good,
and overall I've never had to video that's gotten more
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negative reactions than positive because I am so careful. So
you just kind of have to really tune out that
and remember that we're dealing with numbers and percentages, and
if you break it down and five percent of people
are angry about that, five percent of people like hate
ice cream and like music, Like, have you ever met
somebody who's like, I don't listen to music. There's people
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with bad opinions. So if they have bad opinions, why
do I care that they don't like my music or
my video?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And I always say what other people think of you
is none of your business.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I Yes, Taylor Show said something like that on the
podcast she did yesterday, where she was like, even if
the headline has my name in, it doesn't mean it's
my business. And I'm like, that is get I'm gonna
put that on my wall or something.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And there's nobody I think better suited than you recently
to understand that headlines are that they're they're to sell things,
they're not necessarily who you are. And I do believe
that when you were writing something about your dad telling
you to be real when it comes to talking about
things that are personal, for example, like the story of
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your sister passing horribly from an accidental overdose and then
having to go on stage and then and sing a
song about that. It's wonderful that you're able to do that.
And also I read about you that you're bipolar, and
you speak of that as well, and I wanted our
listeners to also know that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know, I look this up, like.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Two and three people out of every hundred to suffer
from bipolar disorder. Like, if you want to put that
into perspective, one out of ten thousand has multiple sclerosis. So,
I mean, there's a lot of people who have a
lot of issues processing things, and we're dancing around all
of that, with all of this, and it seems that
music is always the thing that helps people the most. Yeah,
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to bring us all together, the thing that we all
have in common.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Absolutely, And yeah, I mean that was something I didn't
want to talk about for a really long time as
far as, like, you know, I talk about everything, but
it took me a long time. And the person who
actually got me out of my shell but talking about
that was somebody who's a huge mental health advocate, Jewel,
who's also one of my favorite singer songwriters. I love her.
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So she had asked me to participate in a like
a challenge she was doing with her charity that was
like talking about mental health and destigmatizing it. And I
was like, Okay, well, if Jewel's going to ask me
to do this, then like I'm gonna I'm not gonna
say no.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, do you say no to her? No?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
How do you say no to her? And I was like,
you know what I read about the initiative that she
wanted me to participate in, and I was like, yeah, okay,
this is time, and it was so scary to put
myself out there. And that's also something I'm insecure about
because people really do love to take anyone with any
sort of mental illness and act like their every emotion
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they have is a product of that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But like things still go wrong for bipolar people. People
still do herful things to buy polar people. I'll have
like my emotions are grounded in reality and also really medicated,
and I take care of that and that's something that
I want people to feel comfortable doing. But you can
only get to the point where you're taking care of
yourself if you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, it doesn't define who you are.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It does not depend who I am, Yeah, especially because
I mean it is only sometimes like most of the time,
I'm like this, and that's good. I prefer to be
like this. Yeah, So that's definitely, you know, I'm thankful
to have, Like you said, my dad be really supportive
in me being outspoken. And he said something to me
one time that really stuck with me, where he was like,
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there's two types of artists that are really important, and
they're equally important to each other. There's artists that help
you confront and there's artists that help you escape. And
sometimes I really just need to put on my post yoga,
happy and relaxed playlist where there is nothing negative talked about,
it is only purely happy vibes. But then sometimes I
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need to listen to Alanis Morssett and like really examine
how I might be contributing to my own turmoil. And
that's something she's great at, and I admire that because
it's hard to admit your place in those things. So
those are two different playlists, but we need both of
them equally. But he was like, I feel like you
were put here to be a confrontational artist, and I'm like, thanks, Dad,
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I feel really seen, and being seen by your parents
is a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It is a huge thing. Speaking of that, what advice
would you specifically give young women in music who are
sort of trying to find their authentic voice. Because I
got to compare you. I saw you compared in Variety
to Avril Levine. I've had the pleasure of interviewing her,
and back in two thousand and seven she released an
album and Clive Davis gave her the opportunity to do
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whatever she wanted and whatever format, whatever sound edited however
she wanted and that never happens to anyone, and she
was right around your age. You're doing that now, that's
pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I mean being independent is
a huge freeing thing. Yeah, collaboration is important to me,
So I do really listen carefully to my team because
there's a reason why they're professionals and they've been doing
this and they've you know, helped a lot of artists.
So I'm like, I don't always think I'm right, but
I do feel like having the ability to discern what
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your anxiety is versus your intuition is important. And so
having just a clear recognizing when that voice inside your
head is using a tone that's like no, this is
real is super important. And that's kind of how I've
gotten to that place.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Is there anything that you would like to talk about
that you haven't had a chance to because I know
you're an advocate. You're big into advocacy for a few
things that are very important besides humans, animals, all kinds
of things, And I just think that it's important because
you know, we all know you're your own best advocate,
but when someone like you comes along and you have
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a voice, you can advocate for many people exactly. So
I wanted to just sort of give you the Florida
thank You to promote anything that's important to you.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, well one of my I have two new songs
that are coming out late this year early next year
that are important to me. One is called Evolution and
one is called Everybody Dies. And Evolution is about, you know,
deconstructing toxic religious principles and growing up very evangelical, and
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it's my own battle with the hypocrisy that kind of
comes with that. It does end on a cathartic it's
not just a purely negative thing or pointing the finger
at anybody, but it's like the process of unlearning that.
So that's something that I feel like I hear from
fans about a lot, and I'm very it's very close
to my heart. And then Everybody Dies. It's about losing
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both my older sister and my high school best friend
to overdoses and realizing that, like, no matter what is
between you and a person, especially with addiction, you kind
of they're not the person you love anymore. They're they
are they're the person you love, but they're not acting
like them. And they become a totally different person because
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their addiction takes over. And I had this moment rate
before my sister died about a month before. We hadn't
spoken in about a year because of that, and I
just had this moment. I was on tour and I
was like, I need to text all seven of my
siblings right now and tell them that I love them.
I just had this feeling, and I did, and her
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and I talked for the first time, and the last
thing she ever said to me was that she was
proud of me and she loved me. And if I
hadn't gotten over my own grudges and resentment for valid things,
but things that were out of her control, I would
have never gotten to say goodbye to her, and that
would have made everything so much more difficult. So the
song is about like it sounds really depressing, but it's
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like everybody dies to say I love you while you
still have the chance. And those two songs, I feel
like are going to be really important for my growth
as an artist and just the message I want to
put out there. So definitely, you know, mental health, addiction, recovery,
harm reduction, and you know, just unlearning the hatred you
may have been taught growing up.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Wow, Kaylie sure, thank you so much for coming on
and sharing your words of wisdom. You're still just at
the beginning of your career, and let's think I'm loved
that we get to subtract three years off of our lives.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
From COVID because start all over again.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Keep rocking, keep doing everything you're doing, and I can't
wait to just continue to watch your star reser or
just a breath of fresh air. And I really appreciate
you coming on the show today and sharing your story.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Thank you so much. This is a blast.
Music saved me, Kayleie, I'm so grateful that you're here,
and I'm also glad that you are back on the scene.
I'm glad that the last few years didn't keep you
from coming back, because I've done some research into you
and your story is pretty amazing, and so I'm grateful
that you would come on and share it. Even if
it meant just helping one person cope with life's thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That means a lot. I was having a conversation with
my manager about that today, just about like how most
people probably would have called it quits around the time
that they had to go be a bottle girl at
a club, and I did it. And I'm really thankful
because you know, I'm back doing what I love every day,
and you know that's not something anyone should ever take
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for granted.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, that is for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, you know, I feel like we've already started chatting,
and if you wouldn't mind, we'd take a quick break
and then we're going to come back and we're going
to get right into it with Kaylee Shore, the amazing
Kaylee Shore.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Right after this music Saved Me.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Have you ever felt caught between heartbreak and hope? Where
a single song becomes your lifeline. Well, welcome to Music
Save Me, the podcast where we discussed just how that
perfect melody can truly save us. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman,
and if you love the show, thank you, and be
sure to check out our companion podcast, which is Comedy
Saved Me, available wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Now Today, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We are joined by the authentic and incredibly talented recording
artist singer songwriter Kaylie Shure, who has turned her personal
struggles into anthems and her pain into power and oh
my god, does she have power. Her new EP, My
Type has been hailed by Variety as a stunning return
(01:48):
of one of the very best of the post Avril
generation of alternative pop singers. Join us as we explore
the moments where music wasn't just her passion, it was
her survival and may I also add Kaylee's performed on
stage with people like oh Stevie Nicks and Leanne Rimes,
Sarah Evans. There's quite a long list. Welcome Kaylee. Sure
(02:11):
to Music Saved Me. You've been doing this quite a while,
even though you're still dare I say, in your twenties.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Not quite di I just turned thirty one, but I
do still feel like twenty five. And I think that
given that, given that I lost three years in my
twenties to COVID, I think that that should be subtracted
so emotionally twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh I like that. Wait, that's it. We're going to
take three years off for COVID.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, you can't leave the house. Are you even in
your twenties?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so that's like taking three pounds off when you're
on the scale if you're fully clothed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, yes, you get it. You get it. It's the
exact same thing. Yeah, it's it's been quite the journey.
I've been doing music full time for eleven years. I've
been a you know, professional recording artist for ten. My
first single, fight Like a Girl, came out almost exactly
ten years ago, so I'm going to have to figure
out how I celebrate that. But yeah, it's been quite
(03:09):
the journey.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It has. Well, welcome to music, save me, and I
want to start with you first, kind of like go
back to when you were young. Do you remember when
you were first introduced to music and was there a
particular artist or an album that always felt sort of
like a safe place for you when you were growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think I always loved The Chicks. That
was one of the first albums I remember being fully
sentient and processing the lyrics of. There's a song on
there called Cold Day. In July actually released it covers project,
so you can hear my cover of that anywhere you
stream music. But it's a song about somebody leaving on
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a beautiful day, and I think that that's really relatable
because you know the world and I have a song
called The World Keeps Spinning about that same phenomenon, where
you know you're having one of the most heartbreaking days
of your life and you look outside and the sun
shining and you're like, well, this doesn't match. And my
grandfather had passed away when I was seven, and I
remember listening to that song and really creating my own
(04:15):
meaning out of it, And that's probably one of the
first times I remember using music as a way to
process something really difficult. And then from there as my
emotions got aanksier and you know, just that teen angst rage.
I loved Alanis Moore set I still do. I've been
lucky enough to see her play live see her musical
(04:36):
on Broadway, and she's just always been a safe space.
And then naturally, as most girls my age will say,
Taylor Swift for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Of course, of course, when when did you know that
you're like, okay, wait, music can actually heal me or
heal people.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do you remember, Yeah, I mean probably around that time,
And that was around the time that I started writing
songs the first time as well, and they were all
very you know, very six seven years old at the time.
They were about like stealing soda from the fridge out
a sleepover and very rebellious. But you know, I mean
that's just something that's continually proven to be true over
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my entire life with loss, both like losing family members
and going through breakups and body image. I mean, it's
that's a lesson that's showed itself to me probably every
year of my life. But I mean that probably seven
years old is around the time. I mean, I loved
lyrics as long as I can remember, and that was
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always something that was really important to me.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did you know that you always wanted to sing or
write or perform entertain that kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Literally as long as I can remember, And I at
the time I thought it was a curse. Now I
know it was a blessing, but I never had stage
parents and they really were dead set on me taking
my time with doing it, so I was never pushed
into anything. But at the same time, you know, the
one thing I always wanted to do was pick up
my guitar. So if I was getting grounded and they
(06:06):
were like, okay, well no TV, I'd be like, Okay,
I don't care, or like, oh, you can't go over
to your friend's house and be like oh no, but
then they need my guitar and I'd be like, oh
my gosh. So you know, it was always something that
I just wanted to do, and I feel like not
having stage parents really helped me foster that love for
it because it was a space that was just for me.
(06:26):
No one was forcing me to do it. There were
definitely other things I considered doing, because mostly I felt
the pressure in school when someone would say what do
you want to be when you grow up? I knew
I sounded stupid saying pop star. I was like embarrassed
to say it, so I'd usually say like lawyer or
investigative journalist, And you know, I still feel like I
(06:49):
love the skills that come with those and I bring
those into my personal life. Like, you can't lie to me,
is it possible? Don't even try. But yeah, music, I mean,
as long as I can remember.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So that you said that, I have to tell you
that I felt the same way when I wanted I
knew when I was seven that I wanted to do
entertain and entertaining of some sort because I was in
the theater production and when I made people smile, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Like I was hooked.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But you're so right, because if you're going to be
in a business like this, I guess you have to
have a certain amount of an ego, to a healthy ego,
so to speak. But you didn't want to seem show
offye in front of your friends or people that you
cared about because of their view of the industry. So
I used to tell people I sell shoes. I want
(07:37):
to sell shoes for a living and open a shoes
you know. I never would say I want to be
in television, radio and broadcasting or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So kudos too for.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's like, it's definitely you don't want to be showoffee,
and especially like anything that makes you stand out as
a kid is detrimental to your social standing. But it's
also going to be exactly what makes you cooler as
you can older. And I always tell kids that when
I go visit music classes whenever I'm on tour, I
usually try to make time to go to the local
(08:08):
high school and talk to the music classes and you know,
share my experience as somebody who's been able to make
a living out of my passion. And there's always like
one or two kids at the end of every class
who I can just tell they've just been locked in
the whole time. Like the kids all seem to have fun.
They're like, wow, there's a musician here, but there's always
one or two and I look at them and I
see myself in them, and they'll have like questions afterwards
(08:31):
that are just really thoughtful, and I'm like, you might
actually do this, and you know, I try to really
put some extra time into those kids.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's so good of you to do that and to
be able to give back. I mean, I think that's
the biggest thing when you get a platform, is you know,
do you give back or not? And that will really,
you know, that shows who you are as a person.
I think, especially I'm sure as you know very well
in this industry. You know, there's a lot of people
out there that a lot and they don't all really
(09:02):
mean what they say.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, and what a useless thing to do, right, Like
why would I wait? Like I just feel like I
only have so many few I've only had so many
hours in the day. I'm like, why would I waste
it saying something I don't mean or I'm not going
to follow through on, Like that's just I could be
doing something else else.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So plus, these kids, really, I mean, even you to
a certain degree, I didn't have to deal with social
media or any of that, or cell phones and all
of this. So I mean, that's certainly a much more
difficult mountain to climb to be involved in an industry
that is so public.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Definitely, And that was something I experienced from a super
young age and part of what I do for my
side hustles now as I do social media consulting for
other artists and brands, which doesn't feel so much like
a self like a side hustle, But I have been
working with this teenage girl who's getting over the fear
of putting herself out there on the internet for fear
(09:59):
of being iculed by her classmates and I could walk
her through that because I had my first viral video
at sixteen, And that's I always tell people, because there's
a psychology to it. There's psychology to fame, to going viral,
to doing music, and that's arguably the most important part
of it, because if you can't keep your brain in
the right place, you're not going to be able to
(10:21):
do it. You can't fulfill your obligations and follow your dreams.
So I'm always telling her and my other clients, like,
you know, the human brain has not evolved to fully
process fame or the Internet. We're only really equipped to
know and remember about three hundred people in our lifetime
because that was the size of a village that our
(10:42):
ancestors lived in. And our you know, knowledge and innovation
as humans has evolved past our own capabilities, and now
we have AI, which is this whole other thing I
wanted to get into. But you have to like really
really try super hard to even fab them what's going
on when you go viral. And so the fact that
I was doing that without a prefrontal cortex still blows
(11:07):
my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I love that you know that too.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And by the way, just so you know, girls develop
it sooner than voice, which explains so much why. But
we have to be equipped because we burrowed the babies. Okay,
enough of that, I don't want to make the metal
turn it off.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is there one song?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And I ask you this with almost kind of knowing
the answer, But for our audience who may not know
who you are, I also want to let them know
that you started off in country, you have a full
solid eight years of country music under your belt, and
now you're relaunching as an alternative artist. Your voice, forget it,
it's just amazing, so you could sing anything and make
(11:47):
it sound incredible. But was there one song throughout your
career so far that you can say definitively changed your life?
I might be able to guess, but I'm not quite
sure if I'm going to be right or not, so
I'm going to let you answer first.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, I feel like we're on the same page. But
definitely my first single, Fight Like a Girl, was I mean,
I don't want to say I took it for granted
at the time, but there is definitely Despite me, you know,
being fully funded, growing up in the projects, raised by
a single mom, all of the difficulties that came with that,
I was incredibly privileged that my first single connected so well,
(12:26):
and I was immediately off to the races, and looking back,
I'm like, wow, that is not something everybody gets. And
not only was that song huge for the trajectory of
my career, it also really said something and I feel
really lucky for that that I don't have to perform
this song ten years later that I wouldn't stand behind
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or even like even like it was about an ex
boyfriend or something like. I don't Sometimes I get bored
of my songs if I'm like over the situation. But
that's something that I'll never get over. That's why I
think it's important to sing about yourself, because the people
you date will never be the most interesting thing about you.
Your perspective will be. And so the fact that at
twenty years old when I wrote that that was the case,
(13:10):
I'm very thankful for and I'm very thankful that it's
resonated with people on so much of a deeper level
than what I even wrote this song about. I think
that's the beautiful thing about music. The you know, my
favorite chick song Cold Dandeli was written about a breakup,
but I took it to help me through graving my grandfather,
So I fight like a girl. I remember distinctly when
(13:31):
it was on Sirius XM The Highway. I went in
to do a to co host one of the shows,
and they played me before I went on air a
voicemail that they got from a female soldier in Afghanistan
who said that she listened to the song every day.
I'm gonna get a tearya. This happened like ten years ago,
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every day before she started her day, and she'd listen
to it in her headphones and her bunk in Afghanistan
to give her the resolve through the day. And I
heard from so many people who'd survived cancer and it
mustic violence and all these different things, and I was like, Wow,
I wrote this about the music industry being sexist towards women,
and you've just made it so much bigger. So many
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people have it tattooed on them, like my handwriting or
the lyrics, or one girl has a full back tattoo.
And it's just crazy to me that something I wrote
when I was so young could resonate that much. But
it's also a song that I've had to come back
to and remind myself of as I've gone through more
and more difficult things in my personal life and the industry,
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so I'm like, I see why people needed that song
because I ended up needing it down the road as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I mean, it's amazing when you do something for yourself
and then you realize how much it resonates with other people.
It just breathes new life into even yourself all over again.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like you just said, we'll be.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Right back with more of the Music Savany podcast. Welcome
back to the Music Save for Me podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And speaking of being personal, your lyrics are unabashedly personal,
raw and very honest, which I love.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Is there a line or a song.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Of yours that you felt especially vulnerable to write and
record or share?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I should say absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, I think that the songs that scare me
when I, you know, go to release them, are usually
means that there's something to the song. I think. My
song Escape is still one of my favorites I've ever written.
I wrote it about the addiction I saw growing up
with my family, and it covers a lot of different bases.
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And I try really hard because my lyrics are so
personal and no matter what you're going to be singing about,
other people and their decisions and what they've done. And
I try really hard to have a really rigid value
system when it comes to that, because you're singing about
other people's stories. Now, if someone cheats on me, they
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shouldn't have cheated on me. I'm going to write a
song about it. You now made that my story. But
when it comes to more sensitive topics, I remember playing
it for my family before it came out, and I
was so nervous because it talks about my sister's opioid addiction,
my family's kind of toxic relationship with religion, and my
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brother's alcoholism, as well as my own eating disorder, which
is a lot for one song, So trigger warning if
you go to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
The thing that scared me most wasn't necessarily admitting my
part of the story, but was putting other people's out there.
But you can't deny that those things would affect me
so much. But it's other people's stories that I try
to be the most careful with. But that was definitely
a difficult song. But it also sums up pretty much
all the struggles of my childhood and it felt so
(16:59):
cathartic to write. And then to release and now to
sing and have other people take their own meaning from it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And you know when you say that, though you just referenced,
you know, you're telling your story, but you're also telling
other people's stories. Does it ever come into your head
that one you're telling your story that someone else? For example,
I was when I was on Twitter. I'm not on anymore.
I would write these just if I was going to
be on a public platform.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It was only going to be positivity. That's it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I don't want to put anything else out there because
I don't need to add to the worsening of society.
Somebody got upset with me because well, I'm not that strong.
How can you write that? Because that's not you know,
it doesn't work for me. So when you're writing songs
that are extremely personal and you're transforming that personal pain
or struggle into something you know, anthemic and relatable, do
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you ever think how can you possibly please everyone?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh? For sure. I mean that's the thing about the
Internet is you're getting feedback in real time. People used
to have to wait for album reviews to come out
or you know here. I mean, you just you didn't
have to deal with all the noise, people would have
to say things about you and like a tabloid or whatever,
which has happened to me, and that's also very upsetting.
(18:15):
But yeah, you're getting all this feedback in real time
and when a song is exploding. Like my single Amy,
I wrote that about a a friend who started dating
my abusive ex boyfriend a month after we broke up.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Was she really a friend?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Well?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, looking that noll, But that song, like you know,
and I had her name in it, and I thought
about it really carefully before I released it. From a
you know, here's my excuse perspective. I only did that
because she had put other people's names in the song
that I was responding to, so I was like, Okay,
well these are the roles, so I'm gonna play by them.
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And I wouldn't really change anything because that was something
that ended up I ended up hearing from so many
people who'd gone through that, and just like the invalidation
and the gaslighting of having someone you cared about just
completely not care that somebody hurt you to that degree.
But I have had to be really thoughtful with how
we went about that and just be careful to not
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put in any details that don't need to be there
just for the sake of like being vengeful. That's something
I really hope nobody feels about me. So when I
see comments like that that are like, oh, you're just
trying to get revenge or you're being vindictive, like those
are my that's the worst way I can feel misunderstood.
(19:40):
So that noise does get to me. But I do
have this after going viral so many times for music
and just sharing my story, I do have a way
to kind of switch it off and just understand that,
Like you know, overall, I do believe that people are good,
and overall I've never had to video that's gotten more
(20:01):
negative reactions than positive because I am so careful. So
you just kind of have to really tune out that
and remember that we're dealing with numbers and percentages, and
if you break it down and five percent of people
are angry about that, five percent of people like hate
ice cream and like music, Like, have you ever met
somebody who's like, I don't listen to music. There's people
(20:21):
with bad opinions. So if they have bad opinions, why
do I care that they don't like my music or
my video?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And I always say what other people think of you
is none of your business.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I Yes, Taylor Show said something like that on the
podcast she did yesterday, where she was like, even if
the headline has my name in, it doesn't mean it's
my business. And I'm like, that is get I'm gonna
put that on my wall or something.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And there's nobody I think better suited than you recently
to understand that headlines are that they're they're to sell things,
they're not necessarily who you are. And I do believe
that when you were writing something about your dad telling
you to be real when it comes to talking about
things that are personal, for example, like the story of
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your sister passing horribly from an accidental overdose and then
having to go on stage and then and sing a
song about that. It's wonderful that you're able to do that.
And also I read about you that you're bipolar, and
you speak of that as well, and I wanted our
listeners to also know that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know, I look this up, like.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Two and three people out of every hundred to suffer
from bipolar disorder. Like, if you want to put that
into perspective, one out of ten thousand has multiple sclerosis. So,
I mean, there's a lot of people who have a
lot of issues processing things, and we're dancing around all
of that, with all of this, and it seems that
music is always the thing that helps people the most. Yeah,
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to bring us all together, the thing that we all
have in common.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Absolutely, And yeah, I mean that was something I didn't
want to talk about for a really long time as
far as, like, you know, I talk about everything, but
it took me a long time. And the person who
actually got me out of my shell but talking about
that was somebody who's a huge mental health advocate, Jewel,
who's also one of my favorite singer songwriters. I love her.
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So she had asked me to participate in a like
a challenge she was doing with her charity that was
like talking about mental health and destigmatizing it. And I
was like, Okay, well, if Jewel's going to ask me
to do this, then like I'm gonna I'm not gonna
say no.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know, do you say no to her? No?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
How do you say no to her? And I was like,
you know what I read about the initiative that she
wanted me to participate in, and I was like, yeah, okay,
this is time, and it was so scary to put
myself out there. And that's also something I'm insecure about
because people really do love to take anyone with any
sort of mental illness and act like their every emotion
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they have is a product of that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But like things still go wrong for bipolar people. People
still do herful things to buy polar people. I'll have
like my emotions are grounded in reality and also really medicated,
and I take care of that and that's something that
I want people to feel comfortable doing. But you can
only get to the point where you're taking care of
yourself if you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, it doesn't define who you are.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It does not depend who I am, Yeah, especially because
I mean it is only sometimes like most of the time,
I'm like this, and that's good. I prefer to be
like this. Yeah, So that's definitely, you know, I'm thankful
to have, Like you said, my dad be really supportive
in me being outspoken. And he said something to me
one time that really stuck with me, where he was like,
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there's two types of artists that are really important, and
they're equally important to each other. There's artists that help
you confront and there's artists that help you escape. And
sometimes I really just need to put on my post yoga,
happy and relaxed playlist where there is nothing negative talked about,
it is only purely happy vibes. But then sometimes I
(23:55):
need to listen to Alanis Morssett and like really examine
how I might be contributing to my own turmoil. And
that's something she's great at, and I admire that because
it's hard to admit your place in those things. So
those are two different playlists, but we need both of
them equally. But he was like, I feel like you
were put here to be a confrontational artist, and I'm like, thanks, Dad,
(24:16):
I feel really seen, and being seen by your parents
is a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It is a huge thing. Speaking of that, what advice
would you specifically give young women in music who are
sort of trying to find their authentic voice. Because I
got to compare you. I saw you compared in Variety
to Avril Levine. I've had the pleasure of interviewing her,
and back in two thousand and seven she released an
album and Clive Davis gave her the opportunity to do
(24:43):
whatever she wanted and whatever format, whatever sound edited however
she wanted and that never happens to anyone, and she
was right around your age. You're doing that now, that's
pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I mean being independent is
a huge freeing thing. Yeah, collaboration is important to me,
So I do really listen carefully to my team because
there's a reason why they're professionals and they've been doing
this and they've you know, helped a lot of artists.
So I'm like, I don't always think I'm right, but
I do feel like having the ability to discern what
(25:19):
your anxiety is versus your intuition is important. And so
having just a clear recognizing when that voice inside your
head is using a tone that's like no, this is
real is super important. And that's kind of how I've
gotten to that place.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Is there anything that you would like to talk about
that you haven't had a chance to because I know
you're an advocate. You're big into advocacy for a few
things that are very important besides humans, animals, all kinds
of things, And I just think that it's important because
you know, we all know you're your own best advocate,
but when someone like you comes along and you have
(25:56):
a voice, you can advocate for many people exactly. So
I wanted to just sort of give you the Florida
thank You to promote anything that's important to you.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, well one of my I have two new songs
that are coming out late this year early next year
that are important to me. One is called Evolution and
one is called Everybody Dies. And Evolution is about, you know,
deconstructing toxic religious principles and growing up very evangelical, and
(26:27):
it's my own battle with the hypocrisy that kind of
comes with that. It does end on a cathartic it's
not just a purely negative thing or pointing the finger
at anybody, but it's like the process of unlearning that.
So that's something that I feel like I hear from
fans about a lot, and I'm very it's very close
to my heart. And then Everybody Dies. It's about losing
(26:50):
both my older sister and my high school best friend
to overdoses and realizing that, like, no matter what is
between you and a person, especially with addiction, you kind
of they're not the person you love anymore. They're they
are they're the person you love, but they're not acting
like them. And they become a totally different person because
(27:10):
their addiction takes over. And I had this moment rate
before my sister died about a month before. We hadn't
spoken in about a year because of that, and I
just had this moment. I was on tour and I
was like, I need to text all seven of my
siblings right now and tell them that I love them.
I just had this feeling, and I did, and her
(27:32):
and I talked for the first time, and the last
thing she ever said to me was that she was
proud of me and she loved me. And if I
hadn't gotten over my own grudges and resentment for valid things,
but things that were out of her control, I would
have never gotten to say goodbye to her, and that
would have made everything so much more difficult. So the
song is about like it sounds really depressing, but it's
(27:56):
like everybody dies to say I love you while you
still have the chance. And those two songs, I feel
like are going to be really important for my growth
as an artist and just the message I want to
put out there. So definitely, you know, mental health, addiction, recovery,
harm reduction, and you know, just unlearning the hatred you
may have been taught growing up.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Wow, Kaylie sure, thank you so much for coming on
and sharing your words of wisdom. You're still just at
the beginning of your career, and let's think I'm loved
that we get to subtract three years off of our lives.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
From COVID because start all over again.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Keep rocking, keep doing everything you're doing, and I can't
wait to just continue to watch your star reser or
just a breath of fresh air. And I really appreciate
you coming on the show today and sharing your story.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Thank you so much. This is a blast.
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