February 5, 2025 • 47 mins
Join Lynn Hoffman for this episode featuring Struggle Jennings, a genre-defying artist blending country and rap. Lynn dives into Struggle's inspiring journey, from overcoming personal struggles and incarceration to becoming a voice of resilience and transformation. Struggle shares how music became his lifeline, his creative process, and the profound impact of family on his artistry. Tune into this special episode to hear Struggle's story of redemption which showcases the healing power of music.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Music saved me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
But telling that story through my music and watching you know,
the tens of thousands, one hundred thousands of people gravitate
towards that fine inspiration and hope in my music and
use my music to help them get through whatever they're
going through. And then they get to meet them at
meet and Greece at shows and hug their neck and
you know them crown our shoulder. And that's what's cant
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me going, That's what's capt me straight.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Lyn Hoffman, and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast,
the podcast where we get the incredible opportunity to chat
with musicians who share their stories about overcoming adversity or
what I like to call obstacles through the healing power
of music. If you enjoy our show, please share it
with your friends and check out our companion podcast with
(00:47):
a really cool guy that I think you're going to
like a lot. His name is Buzznight and he hosts
a really great podcast, also music related, called Taking a Walk,
and you can find that wherever you get your podcasts.
All right, today, we are really excited to welcome Struggle
Jennings as the grandson of Whylon Jennings and Jesse Coulter.
(01:08):
He hails from a legacy of outlaws and rock stars,
which I think should be the name of your next album.
Struggle has new music out called Live from Rikers Island,
and he's also had chart topping success with one of
our very first guests on the Music Save Me podcast,
Jelly Roll. Struggle is also the face of the Sound
Sobriety Rehab Clinics, which is a revolutionary music themed rehab
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program that we'll also get to discuss. Welcome Struggle Jennings
to Music Save Me. It's so great to have you here, so.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Good to be here. I'm so grateful, Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I could have you talk to me forever. That voice
is just I'm sort of a voice geek, even just talking.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, to say thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
All right, let's start at the beginning, Struggle, can you
tell us a little bit about your musical upbringing and
some of your early influences when you were growing up
in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, so, I'm an eighties baby, and I grew up,
of course in a musical family. My mom had a
piano in the house, and my grandfather was whaling, and
grandmother Jesse and so the first ten years of my life,
or from the time I was four to six, my
mom was touring with Whalan as a backup singer, and
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so summertimes stuff like that, I'd get to go out
on tour with them, and standing backstage and you know,
watching Whalan do his sing and watching my mom sing
and hearing the instruments. I was automatically just so drawing
to the emotion and music. And of course we'll get
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into it a little bit later. But like my mother,
you know, she liked bad boys. She didn't want to
take handouts from Whalan. So we ended up living in
lower class areas throughout Nashville. And so as I was
growing hip hop, really as it was blowing up, it's
what I really latched onto, you know, the storytelling and
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the stories of hard times and heartbreak and the same
as country. Just it was that generation, you know, and
that was the That's what spoke to me due to
my environment more than anything. So at a young age,
I started writing poetry and falling in love with music.
And you know, my mom would play the piano every
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night when she'd get off work, or every morning when
she woke me up for school. She would start today
singing hymn notes and playing and you know, kind of
infuse that energetic, happy, blessed to be awake environment even
through our hardest times. She was sixteen when she had me,
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so you know, we struggled a lot with her growing
up and us kind of raising each other.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
But she always tried to.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Infuse music into the house household as uplifting and as
a way. So I latched onto that immediately, And a
lot of my influences, of course, was wailing musically. A
lot it came from my tupac, you know, with my
lyricism and telling my story in a way that others
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could gravitate towards it. Right, Like always, even when I
was just doing poems when I was young, writing poems
in school, but it was always something maybe not that
I went through, but that I was watching somebody else
go through. And it's really heartfelt things.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, that's interesting, So even when you were young, you
observed things and were inspired to write about them poetically.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah. One of the first poems that ever wrote was
about abortion, and of course I was like eleven years old,
so I didn't really even understand what that concept was.
But it was called nine Months and it was about
being in the womb and then but you know, then.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was about abortion.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So yeah, I was always I've always been like the
person to like soak up everything around me, like we'll
get into it later. I did five years in prison,
and I didn't write a single song while I was
in there because I was like, I want to just
really take care of everything else I need to take
care of right now, observe, soak this up and then
I'll tell the story when I leave. And I've always
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just been that kind of person, you know, like super pathic.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So well, do you do you remember? And pathic is
a phenomenal way to explain it. Do you remember the
first moment that music really deeply touched you?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I mean, it's I.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Don't I think it's been happening so long that I
probably don't remember the exact but I remember being in
kindergarten and liking a girl named Sarah in school, and
that song Sarah was like on the radio, and I
can remember just like being emotional on the way to
school thinking about this girl that is in I'm in
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kindergarten that I have a crush on, you know, and
latching onto that song or you know, my Mom was
really musical since she was always listening to the radio,
Like music was constant when we were in the car
and the music was up all the way, And as
long as I can remember, I can remember the feeling
of the emotion from the songs, right, So, like I
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can pinpoint a time of my life to a song.
A lot of times an emotion like when I was
going through a breakup, or when I was, you know,
going through a tough time in school, or you know,
when I lost my father ten I can kind of
pinpoint songs to that because I've latched on so heavy
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my whole life to music and the emotion that came
from it, whether it's to soothe or to inspire or
to make me feel better about whatever the situation I'm
going through, or you know, like I've got all these
different playlists and the range of music is.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So wide, you know, depending on you know, if I'm
going to the.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Gym and I need like something that's going to get
me there, or if I'm sad or happier. You know,
music has such a power of being able to steer.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That for sure. And speaking of steering, you were once
hailed as one of Nashville's top rappers. And I'm curious,
despite your country music routs, what grew you to wrap
hip hop?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, it was just the environment. It was the era.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was, you know, the eighties and on up in
the early nineties, becoming a teenager and you know, ninety three,
ninety four and Tupac and the long list of you know,
UGK and A Ball and MJG. That were like from
kind of close to where I'm from, and growing up,
that was what I gravitated towards, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And by the time I was twelve, I was in
a gang.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
My mom was working two jobs, and my dad was
murdered when I was ten, and so my wife had
kind of taken this huge shift to a different path,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And rap is just what I latched onto. It's what
spoke to me.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's what made me feel okay, it's what made me
feel like I wasn't alone and what I was going
through how I felt then, I you know, I started
writing raps at twelve thirteen years old and decided that's
what I wanted to do, you know. And of course
life had its different obstacles and different you know, speed bumps,
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But yeah, I think that's really where that came from.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But country music was still always a backdrop, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It was always the soundtrack, you know, when I was
with my dad or when you know, after my dad
was gone and I was with my uncle's, country was
what everybody was listening to country or southern rock, and
so that was always ingrained in me, and I would
I found the same kind of comforting country a lot
of times just because of the storytelling.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So they kind of both coincided in my life.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To really pay that path to me being one of
the first artists to ever mix the two genres, you know,
and then now leaning into country and finding what my
voice is, what my world in country music is. And
a lot of these songs that I'm doing now are
coming out really old school, and you know, it's natural.
(09:30):
It's not like we're pushing to get a sound or
we're pushing it. We're just going in there and writing
about my life and.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Laying the instruments to it. And it's turning out.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I've got sixty five unreleased country songs right now.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Wow, coming up in the next year.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So congratulations.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, I took a break from touring last year
for just a few months.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
For three months.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I still did over one hundred shows last year, but
for three months I took a break from touring and
wrote over one hundred songs in those three months.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's been working. How did you having Whalen Jennings as
a grandfather impact your relationship with music?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, one, you know, growing up with him as my grandfather,
I didn't really you know, he's papa. So until I
got older, I didn't realize, like, oh man, my papa
is like the band. Like back then, he was just papa,
and I knew he was. I knew he was famous.
But also in school and stuff, kids would give me
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stuff about it, like, you know, you know, my mom said,
your dad's your grandpa is not a country music star.
He's just a drug addict or you know, because he
had been going through legal cases with his drug abuse
and stuff. But I didn't know that side of him
because and I think it was an eighty five or
somewhere when I was like five or six, he had
that big heart attack and he quit doing everything. So
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when I was just really young, he switched over to
a whole nother role as who he was, and I
got the best years of him. You know as a grandfather,
but musically it drew me, of course, closer to music.
Watching the guy that was like, you know everything my
dad wasn't around anymore, and wailing it stepped up to
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the plate to really be like my father, and getting
to watch him walk out on those stages and the
people just go crazy, and him sing those songs, and
that of course solidified what I wanted to do as
a man. He taught me so much about family and
about integrity and about standing your ground and not selling
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out or selling yourself short. Musically, he inspired me so
much to just tell your story and be truthful and
honest and just be you. Don't try to be like
somebody else, or you know, don't follow he used to say,
don't follow in my footsteps.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Find your own life, you know, stand in my shadow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
There's so much that I gained from those years with
him being my grandfather. But when I was young, I
didn't you know, He's just like, yeah, whyn't Jens is
my grandfather And some people are like yeah, right, or
really or you know, And it got to a point
when I was older, I didn't tell anybody for a
few years. Yellow Wolf tells the story all the time
that he was you know me and they were best
friends for almost a year before I even brought it up.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Because yeah reaction, he was like what, yeah, right, you know,
but I didn't want to be judged that way musically
coming in, Like I didn't adopt the name Jennings until
probably twenty and twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Like, I was just struggle. You know, there's a lot
that comes with that. You know, some people automatically assume, oh,
you've had it easier. You're riding your grandpa's coat tails.
You've had it easier because of who he is. It's like, man,
it makes it ten times harder. They expect you to
fill his shoes. They say, oh, you're not like your
grand wall.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Of course I'm not. I'm not him.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Myself, you know, I'm doing things my own way, and.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So there it actually makes it a lot harder.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now, it makes for a good conversation piece, you know,
when you walk into a room of musicians or artists,
of course, but as far as in the industry or fans,
there was no head, you know, there was no like
I didn't get any free rise because of that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If anything, it made it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
A lot harder I bet it was.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And the reason the reason I even adopted the name
is because that's what they started calling me. They started
calling me struggled Jennings when like everybody was talking about
me going to prison and like.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The news, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And dear friend of mine who's been riding with me
the whole time and helped me build my brand, a
guy named Sebastians Marberry. He was like, man, if you
type in struggle on Google, you're never going to find you.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But you put in Jennings, you know it'll pop up.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And I talked to a Shooter about it, and Shooter
was like, man, please, that would be amazing, like pay
homage to them and use the name.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So I fought it for a while, but it just
kind of came part of the story. You know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's a great legacy. And I understand that because
I've talked to so many artists who have kids who
have said the words like I've ruined my kids. They
all think they're going to be just like me, and
it's you know, there you are with your grandfather, and
it's a tremendous burden to carry, especially if you're going
to go right into that same industry. Yeah, I totally know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
One of the things that I think one of the
things that helped the most about being his grandson and
having that relationship even in my darkest moments, even when
my music wasn't streaming, even when I had a fiction
notices on the door, even when you know, I was
getting into trouble and fighting court cases, and regardless all
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the different phases of my life, I never gave up
because he was a clear example that I had from
as early as I can remember that he came from nothing,
dirt floors in Texas and to me seeing him that
his prime with you know, a nanny and maids and
Cadillacs and Mercedes and guards at the shack and you know,
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like so I got to see what was possible. So
regardless of how bad things got, always had that glimmer
of faith and hope that it would it's possible. And
I think a lot of people from my neighborhood and
a lot of my old friends, they never had that,
And that was one of the defining things, you know,
And I'll try to instill that in my kids now
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and in other people's kids. You know, I have friends
that are still struggling and you know, work, you know,
sixty hours a week to still barely getting by, and
they can't do as much for their kids as maybe
I can. But I try to pick up that slack
and take them on vacations and do things because I
want those kids to see that too. Like this is,
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if you get a taste of that better life, sometimes
you'll you'll never settle for less. And I think that
what one of the differences was is I never settled
and I never gave up, regardless of what was handed
to me or what was in front of me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, and that's something that's definitely built in when you
know it naturally to not give up, and you know,
people leading ahead of you by example certainly put that
out there, but you have to be able to see
it and make that choice. And that's really hard, I
think for a lot of people to just choose to
not give up. Yeah, it sounds so simple, but it's
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you know, like you said, it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It's a choice. There was many times in my life
where I never thought the music would work.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Out, and you know, being Tony Montana wasn't working out.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You know, all these different phases of my life and
the neighborhood that I come from West Nashville. It's called
the Nations. It's surrounded by prisons and factories. And you know,
in our neighborhood, you either worked at the factories or
you want to prison. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's kind of like those were the two, and so like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
To make it in that neighborhood is to get a
job with the city, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Work your way up to twenty dollars an hour in
a retirement fund, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I just I always saw past that so far
that I never could settle into that comfort.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You know, you're a visionary. You know, you speak quite openly.
I've seen on TikTok and a couple of other places
about a very pivotal moment in your life. Although you
saw the potential in the future, you still ended up
going through quite a bit of strife to get where
you are now. And when you were in prison, you
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decided to turn your life around. That was the moment,
at least, that's what I can recall from what you
would had said. Yeah, can can you describe that moment?
That that moment for the listeners right now? Because I
feel like, you know, you're such an amazing example of
someone who has like everybody thinks, you had it all
and you had all the best influences from the top down,
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and you saw the good, you saw the bad, but
you still ended up where you ended up. How did
you What was that moment like for you? And can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, you know, there was a lot of in and
outs as far as jail, and you know, I tempted
to change my life a few times and been successful
and then failed, and you know, took steps forward and
fell steps back. And at one point I did fifteen
months in jail for a marijuana case and got out
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and my kids were scattered. The mother of my kids
was fighting a fed case, and so I went and
got my kids and I was a single dad with
two kids. And I did good for like five six years,
stayed straight, working you know, two jobs if I had to,
and started having more kids with the mother of my
three youngest.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And fell back in.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You know, it was like one too too many or
too too many viction notices and you know, jobs not
panning out, and you know, I just I kept I
kept working hard, and that I you know, get knocked
down and or allowed myself to fall. I hate to
use the get knocked down, because we have this choice
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as well, right to get back up. And I fell
short numerous times in and out of jail, and I
you know, did good for years and then I fall
back off. And then this last time when I went
to prison. At that point, I had five kids, and
I was watching the ones that I thought for so
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long I was doing right by you know, where I
was instilled with a lot of irrational beliefs at a
young age.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You know, you feature.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Family by any means necessary. It's okay to do wrong
if you're doing it for the right reasons. You know,
I live by that. I justify everything by like, I'm
just doing this for my kids. I'm just doing this
for my family, to take care of my kids.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know. Then when those gate shut, my kids became
the biggest victim.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They were left without a father, without someone to protect them,
provide for them. You know, my wife at the time
was left without a partner, without the man that was
paying the bills and taking care of her. So I
got slapped with that reality real fast that hey, I'm
not the man I thought I was, and I'm not
being a good father, I'm not being a good husband.
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I'm not being a good son, I'm not being a
good friend by continuing to put my family through this.
That's a hard pill to swallow, you know, when you
really have to look at things and take accountability and say,
everything that is happening to me and everything that is
happening to the people that I love, is a direct
result of a decision that I made.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
You know, you can't really hide anymore. You can't hide behind,
you can't justify.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, you can't be mad at the guy that
told on you because I shouldn't have been doing what
I was doing. And then the top that I'm watching
what's happening the mother of my kids hooking up with
another guy getting addicted to drugs again, and when I worked.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hard to get her off of them.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
My children being drug through the mud and in the
bad situations, you know, having to make those phone calls
home and my five year old daughter at the time
is crying, saying, Daddy, we have an eight and I'm
having a teacher from a jail phone how to make
macaroni and cheese so she can feed her two siblings
because her mom's passed out on drugs. And realizing that
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I'm not there. I can't protect them, you know. And
then my daughter got molested in a drug house, you know.
And I'm finding all this out while sitting behind concrete
and still with no one to blame but myself. You
come to a point where you're like, hey, the same
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way I messed all this up, I'm the only one
that can fix it. So I decided to just really
buckle down and work to become the best man that
I could make sure that my kids never had to
go through that again. There were a lot of moments
in there where I'm looking around the room and I'm
seeing the guys that are gambling and smoking cigarettes, eating
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honey buns and you know, and then I'm seeing the
guys that are reading books, going to every program, working out.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I said, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I spent every day of my five years training mind, body, soul, spirit,
finding out, stripping down all those layers and finding out
why do I keep coming back? Why do I keep
coming here? How can I stop this fish a cycle?
Because my uncle said it. My dad was killed when
I was ten, and you know, he was a great man,
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but you know, he sold drugs and worked all and
just a good old boy.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But it's a vicious cycle. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Wailing passed from drug induced diabetes, you know, from years
of addiction. I don't want my kids to have to
go through what I went through. I want them to
have a father, I want them to have a role model.
I want them to have somebody that can look up to,
look to count on. I started stripping all those layers
away and really digging and so searching and finding myself,
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finding who I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Be, Like who am I really? You know.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's why I wear all the turquoise because for so long,
since I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Turquoise was my favorite stone.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But I was so caught up in what was cool
and what I thought I was supposed to be that
I would never wear it. I had all these diamond
chains and gold and you know, and so when I
came home, I was like, turquoise wasn't cool at that time,
you know, And I was like, but it was to me.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So I started rocking the turquoise. Now it's trendy, but you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Know, back then, my first time.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, but yeah, So it was like watching all this happen,
you know, even leading up to the death of the
mother of my kids who died from a drug overdose
a few years ago, watching what my children were going
through and having to honestly look at that and go.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Just because of me, This is because of.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That guy I was trying to be and I justified
it for so long, you know, and now trying to
make sure that I can keep those same irrational beliefs
out of my children's mind. So, you know, those moments
and those phone calls calling home. I remember as soon
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as I got into County Jail, one of the first
things that my five year old daughter, Innocence, who just
went through so much, finding out that her mom had
passed out and she was at a bus stop crying,
couldn't you know, one there to pick her up for
four hours, you know, and thinking about what a six
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year old is going through in their mind when she's
used to Daddy pulling up and being there, and now
Daddy's not here, and now nobody's there to pick her up.
Like those moments were the just the ones that is,
even though as tragic as they are, and I tell
my family all the time, it's like, that's why I'm
not going to give up. That's why I didn't give up.
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Something great has to come from this, or it was
all in vain. If we can take all the pain
and all the tragedy and all the bad mistakes and
do something great with that, learn.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
From it and.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Inspire others and live a purpose driven life in gratitude,
and we can do something great with all of this,
it wasn't in vain.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We'll be right back with more of the Music Saved
Me podcast. And by the way, if you like this podcast,
you were going to love our companion podcast called Taking
a Walk. It's hosted by my dear friend Buzz Night
and you can find it wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast, the podcast
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where we discussed the healing powers of music with some
of the biggest names in music as well as up
and comers, and looking inward, the fact that you had
the wherewithal to look inward. I'm curious, did writing and
creating music play any type of role in your personal
transformation on top of all of discovery.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, every bit of it. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I journaled the whole time I was there. I wrote letters,
I would write while I was in there. I didn't
actually form songs because I was like I'm just going
to write my you know, write about things. And it's
always been my go to A's always where my therapy was.
And then getting out from prison and telling that story,
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showing that transformation of course and my actions and who
I am, but telling that story through my music and
watching you know, the tens of thousands, one hundred thousands
of people gravitate towards that find inspiration and hope in
my music and use my music to help them get
through whatever they're going through. And then to get to
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meet them at meet and greets at shows and hug
their neck and you know them cry on our shoulder.
And that's what's kept me going. That's what's kept me straight,
that's what keeps me focused, That's what keeps me from
you know, losing it.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
God allowed me to be strong enough to make it
through this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And now I have a testimony to give and I
have an opportunity to give that back. And you know,
when you have that, when you have a purpose, when
you feel like there's purpose in what you do, right,
all the other things that come.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Now. I tell people all the time, I don't look
at ops. I look at obstacles as opportunities.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Another notch under my belt story to tell to show
somebody else that they can get through this too, you know,
like when I found out that I found out recently
that how my father had got killed, you know, and
it had been by a family member, And when I
was young. He died when I was ten and I
was outside playing football and my mom comes out there
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and she's like, hey, your dad's on the phone, and
I was like, tell him, I'll call him back later.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, when I came in that night, she was crying.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
All my family pulled up, told me that my dad
was no longer with us. I was ten, and they
told me it was suicide. So where they thought they
were protecting me by telling me it was suicide, I
was the last person he called and I didn't take
the phone call. So I lived with that all through
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my teenage years, feeling that regret of what if I
would answer the phone, which of course led me to
be suicidal because then I was like, you know, last
time my dad died.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And it wasn't until I was.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Eighteen and my uncle told me, boy, your dad didn't
kill himself. He was killed, but I never got a
clear answer who it was. And then one of my
family members of my favorite aunts. She was on her
deathbed and I went to visit her, and one of
my other uncles let it out the bag that she
was the one that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Had killed him.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And I had my arm around her when it was
told to me, and it was one of those moments
where like, you know, I kind of blanked out, you know,
and I just kind of looked around, and I looked
at her, and she didn't budge, you know, she took
it all the way to the grave with it. But
she had been such a light in my life, and
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she had took care of me so many times when
I was in my darkest moment, and I wasn't even
mad at her.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It was another level of closure.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I would have liked to been able to talk to
her and find out like what happened, you know, like
if they got an argument or what the reason was.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But she passed that night and I didn't. I never
got that. But but even then it was one of
those things.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It was like I had to go through that to
become who I am today and to be able to
talk to other people that are going through the same
things or that have been through or been through you know,
things like that to let them know that they're not
alone and that they can find strength, and the fact
that I'm still here and I'm doing good. You know,
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I'm working to do great, but I'm doing good. You know,
I've got all seven kids in the house, you know,
my daughter who was molested and you know, cooking macaroni
and cheese in that apartment, talking to her dad on
the phone, trying to feed her siblings, and watching her
mom overdose and pass out, and then eventually losing her
(31:02):
mother to a drug overdose.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She just called me this morning because she couldn't. She
was trying to figure out where to get her parking past.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
At college, she graduated with three point nine SHEPA honors.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You know, that's such amassing.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Western She's in Western Kentucky now, you know, for going
to college, you know, and is doing incredible. My daughter,
Curtis that who's sixteen, she's you know, she was right there.
She was the younger sister, and she went through all
of that just as much, you know, and having to
be stripped from not only their father leaving, but then
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their mother crashing when he left, and then you know,
going from a life where I was providing to the
depths of poverty until they ended up in foster care.
And then you know, I came home and fought for
a year to get them out of foster care and
to get custody of them again, and then you know,
rebuilding those relationships and those that trust and stability.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And you know, now she's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Sixteen and drives some brand new Lexus at V and
the homecoming queen straight a student like not even ninety eight,
like one hundreds and hundred and two s like, you know,
in an incredible relationship with a great guy who was
a huge soccer star. I mean, it's just you know, there,
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it is possible to turn it all around. You just
have to believe. You have to believe in yourself. You
have to put the work in, and you have to
find those things. Like for me, music was one of
the biggest things that I could latch onto and when
I needed you know, of course I have prayer and
other things, but when I need to just recenter, I
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can find that song, you know, and strike that emotion.
And whether it's me driving around you know with it
on ten, crying my eyes out, or you know, getting
amped up, or just a happy singing at the top
of my lungs, whatever or that is, whatever that emotion
I need or that strength that I need being able to.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Pull it for music.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know, That's why we came out with Sound Sobriety
and the concept to Sound Sobriety, which is the rehabs
that were opening.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'm supposed to be cutting the ribbon on the first
one soon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
We had a few hiccups in it, but we're lined
up to do about twenty of them as soon as
we get the first model completely locked in and done.
But I'm also working. We're still working, even though we
don't have our facility open yet. We're still doing things.
But the concept behind it was, you know, for me,
writing was one of my biggest avenues of release and therapy.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And you know, so.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'll be having big songwriters and big artists come in
to the rehabs and Pete doing the songwriting class where
we teach each participant that comes through how to put
their life and their emotions and their feelings into song form.
And then when they graduate the program, they'll get a
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be my number and be a registered songwriter, and so
they'll have somebody that they can pitch it. We'll pitch
songs for them, you know, they'll have somebody that they
can turn their songs into and pitch them for other
artists and hopefully give them, you know, hope and of
a career in that as well, because.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That's what it's been for me.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know, if I didn't have divine connection with music
or that deep passion to create, and you know, who
knows if I would have made it through all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I didn't even want to stop this momentum because you're
just your story is just so incredible. And then every
time I think I've heard it all, it's just another
height that you've reached after reaching the lowest lows. It's
pretty incredible, and it's amazing how much music has been
a part of it. And obviously this question I'm going
to ask you, I'm going to guess I know the
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answer to Do you believe that music has healing powers?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I think it's one of the strongest.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, we know it scientifically right through, like you know,
different frequencies and stuff you know that are able to
heal soundbats, and you know, there's so much scientific research,
but just as far as the personal, yes, I think
it's one of the most healing things ever. You know,
I've had songs that I needed to write, like when
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the mother and my children passed, or when I was
first coming home and I didn't really have that relationship
back with my daughters yet that I'd have these songs.
They take me months to write because every time I'd
get emotional when I try to write it. But once
I got that out on the paper and once I
sang it through that microphone, not only did I get
(35:43):
a level of healing, but then being able to play
it for them and then understand and have that to
hold on to as well.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's just a whole nother you know.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think music has definitely been what's healed me more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Who are so much artists that you listen into when
you're having sort of a difficult time or maybe that
you can recall you listen to in times of darkness.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean there's so many, you know, and different levels
of different years and who was everything from you know
old country, nineties country, George Street and George John like
heartbreak songs, or you know Ed Sheeran has had there's
He's had a couple of songs. There's an artist named
(36:29):
Ron Pope who he had some songs that got me
through some really really dark times. Let's go Chris Stapleton,
you know, I mean there's just so many, you know,
you can go back to, you know, Whaland songs and
Tupac songs. You know old rat that was just telling
those stories. There's there's so many, you know. I couldn't
(36:51):
pinpoint one artist.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
That would be a whole other show, isn't it. Well,
you know, speaking of artists, one of your bestie? Can
I say that about guys best?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
When I just when I just went to the ad MS,
the ATHM Awards last year and in Texas, uh, you know,
you get your credentials, and Jelly was up for a
bunch of awards.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I wasn't out for any awards or anything, but I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Was there as his guest and my credential, said Struggle
Jennings artist Jelly Rolls bestie.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh good, So I'm not the only one that called
me that. I love that so much? Can you tell
me I love him too? How important is that brotherhood
with someone like Jelly Roll on your on your journey?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, it's been everything, you know, I mean, it's been
it's been such a major role. He we met I
was fresh out of a jail sentence, raising two kids
by myself.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I think I.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hadn't even had my third child yet when I when
we met and he just got out of jail or
juvenile because he was still young and he was out
selling CDs and doing rap battles and I was promoting
the show and selling my CD and we met and
just automatically clicked.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And going on twenty three years of a friendship.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You know, he slept on my couch and I've watched him,
you know, grow and become who he's becoming. Not only
did our friendship because we were in the streets together.
You know, we we did a lot of things. We
carried a lot of caskets together, We lost a lot
of friends. We both did time, you know, during our friendship.
(38:38):
And having somebody that you just always know is there
for you, you know, has been such a major part
of it because there's you know, I think a lot
of people make a lot more That's why I believe
(38:59):
in support system so much.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I believe that a lot of people make a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Decisions when they feel like they're all alone and they
have nobody, you know, the level of desperation or the
level of loneliness and.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Feeling like you have nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And there's something Jelly's always given me is feeling like
I had something to lose. You know, when I was
in prison, he you know, calling him from that jail phone.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
And him being like, oh man, I'm in Missouri. I'm
in Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You know, he was out doing shows and he was
sleeping in a van, and you know, he started telling
me as I was getting close to getting out.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like sure, I'm telling you, this is possible. Man.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You guys made a thousand bucks last night at the show,
you know, Like why you mean a.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Thousand dollars in one night without set of drugs, like,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
So there was so much inspiration and hope. And when
I came home, you know, he still didn't having figured out.
It was still you know, doing shows and sleeping in
a van still sometimes and you know he wasn't but
then he just never gave up. He kept plugging away
and uh, and it definitely was a big inspiration for
(40:15):
me to not give up, you know. And then we
started doing the Weaving and Willie albums together and they
just took off, and then he signed with Strange Music.
And then had the song save Me, and.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It was just like yep, now.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
He's the household name, and I couldn't be more proud
of him. I love it, and he's he's still this
day my best friend. You know, we we can sometimes
talk five times a week, or sometimes we might not
talk for three or four weeks because of his schedule.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
He's picked left off.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well anytime we cost two three hour phone call. You know,
I can be that sounding board for him and he
can decompress and know that anything he says that phone
with me is a thousand percent safe and things that
you know, a lot of times, men we don't have
too many people that we can really just vent and
(41:12):
lay it all on, you know, like our wives, or
our children, or our mothers or everybody kind of looks
to us to be that strength in that backbone.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So in our moments of weakness sometimes it's hard. You know,
we try.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
To hold that into shield others from feeling you know,
getting nervous or ANTSI you know, we got to act
like we've got it all together.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
So me and him have that in each other.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And you know, I don't call him because I respect
his time and I know how busy he is, all right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I mean, if I had.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Something, you know, that I really needed to talk to
him about, it was like an important or something, I
would call him. I'm not saying I don't ever call him,
but I just I kind of try to be that
friend that is just like he knows he can call
me at any time, and I'm going to shut the
world down and give him those two or three hours
that he needs because he's he's really busy right now.
(42:10):
He's going through a lot a lot of changes, you know,
from coming from where we came from and going through
what he's went through to now being the biggest star
on the face of the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
You know, there's a lot of pressure in that. There's
a lot of you know, I know he's so busy.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
He's got people pulling them a hundred different ways, right
So being able to be that support for him and
just be that guy for.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Him that's always there for him means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, two things, keeping each other grounded and also
knowing that as much as it's great to ride to
the success levels, there's also pitfalls that come with it,
and I'm sure he needs the safety of your friendship
even though he's.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Always have it and always have it.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
It really is holding each other accountable to you know,
like he calls me all my sh it. You know,
he's like struggle or you're not being accountable or not
holding yourself accountable right now?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Why did that happen?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know, that's a nice way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah. Well, he likes to give me my own medicine.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You know, Yes, you know, I got to hear my
own sermons sometimes from somebody else.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, like what would you say to yourself? What would
you tell me? Tell yourself that same thing kind of
advice it Jelly does that.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
He uses uh, he uses my own sayings against me,
not against me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's for me, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, but you need that, you need you know, if
you're surrounded by yes men or people that just tell
you what you want to hear, or you know, condone
your bad behavior rights, We're all going to slip.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
We're all going to make mistakes. That never stops, right.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's really just realizing when you make those, taking accountability
for him and then it because it's really not about
how many times you falls, about how many times you
get back up.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, we all have were riddled with human nature.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Mistakes. I like to say mistakes are tuition, you know,
if you use them correctly, then they're not mistakes. Yeah,
and sometimes you have to have a piano. A friend
of mine said this once. It was so sometimes you
know when like a piano just falls on your head,
like those are those moments that you need to wake up,
you know whatever that you know incredibly. I saw a
(44:32):
video and I believe it just happened this past year,
and I just want to congratulate you when you were
invited to the grandel Opry. I'm falling watching the video
over asking you, well.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I didn't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He told me I needed to come down there today
CMS and there was like a little grandell'd opery event
that he wanted me to come to. And when did
Billy Bob's with them the night before? And so I'm
in there and the vent's cool or whatever, but I
was like, eh, I'm I might have a drink or something,
you know. So I mows you over to the bar
and I'm talking to other artists and hanging out, and
(45:06):
I see him coming across the room and I can
tell that he's upset.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
But he's like teary ad and he gets up on
me and I'm paying attention to him.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
So I didn't even realize there was cameras around us, right,
but they were like camera crew's following him. But I'm
locked into his eyes because I can see he's like
choked up. He's like, man, I got to tell you something.
And my first thing because of our history, and you know,
I thought somebody had died, you know, like we lost
one of our best friends, like our little nephew a
(45:39):
year two years before that, the day me and him
were doing Red Rocks together, we got the call that
he had got killed outside of a club in Nashville,
our nephew, Nate.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
And so it's like we've had so many of those
kind of moments.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
That I just automatically went into like what's wrong, what's wrong,
what's wrong? And then he's like they've invited you to
play the grand old Opery.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
He couldn't even get the words out, he couldn't even
say it.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I'd betther look on my face of the video.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I laugh at it all the time because it was
like a whirlwind of emotions going from thinking somebody's died
or something's really wrong to Oh my God, this is
one of the greatest honors I could ever get, and
I don't take something else. How God likes to give
little winks every once in a while and let you
know you're doing right.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
My Grand Old Opry debut, I didn't get to pick
the date, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
They said, well, this is the day that you're gonna
that we want you to come do.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
The Grand Old Opry fell on the same day is
my last day of parole.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So I walked out on the stage at the Grand
Old Opry a free man, and it was like one
of those wings from God saying this is the end
of one chapter in.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The beginning of another.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
You know it sure was.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You can't make it up, man, can't make it up.
It's just so beautiful. How if you just stay in
tune and you stay in line.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
And you listen and you pay attention, do your best
to be your best and be humble and grateful, so
much amazing things fall into place, things we could never
even design.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
You know, Struggle Jennings, thank you so much for coming
on Music Save Me and sharing your story with us. Well,
thank you, really, I mean, just wonderful, wonderful stuff that
you're doing, and keep doing what you're doing, and that's
what we're doing here and highlighting stories like you love
It are just some of the most amazing things that
I feel like I've ever been a part of. So
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thanks for coming on to share it and for the liteners.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Thank you doing what you're doing. Thanks keep touching lives.
People need to hear it.
Music saved me.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
But telling that story through my music and watching you know,
the tens of thousands, one hundred thousands of people gravitate
towards that fine inspiration and hope in my music and
use my music to help them get through whatever they're
going through. And then they get to meet them at
meet and Greece at shows and hug their neck and
you know them crown our shoulder. And that's what's cant
(00:24):
me going, That's what's capt me straight.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Lyn Hoffman, and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast,
the podcast where we get the incredible opportunity to chat
with musicians who share their stories about overcoming adversity or
what I like to call obstacles through the healing power
of music. If you enjoy our show, please share it
with your friends and check out our companion podcast with
(00:47):
a really cool guy that I think you're going to
like a lot. His name is Buzznight and he hosts
a really great podcast, also music related, called Taking a Walk,
and you can find that wherever you get your podcasts.
All right, today, we are really excited to welcome Struggle
Jennings as the grandson of Whylon Jennings and Jesse Coulter.
(01:08):
He hails from a legacy of outlaws and rock stars,
which I think should be the name of your next album.
Struggle has new music out called Live from Rikers Island,
and he's also had chart topping success with one of
our very first guests on the Music Save Me podcast,
Jelly Roll. Struggle is also the face of the Sound
Sobriety Rehab Clinics, which is a revolutionary music themed rehab
(01:32):
program that we'll also get to discuss. Welcome Struggle Jennings
to Music Save Me. It's so great to have you here, so.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Good to be here. I'm so grateful, Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I could have you talk to me forever. That voice
is just I'm sort of a voice geek, even just talking.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, to say thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
All right, let's start at the beginning, Struggle, can you
tell us a little bit about your musical upbringing and
some of your early influences when you were growing up
in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, so, I'm an eighties baby, and I grew up,
of course in a musical family. My mom had a
piano in the house, and my grandfather was whaling, and
grandmother Jesse and so the first ten years of my life,
or from the time I was four to six, my
mom was touring with Whalan as a backup singer, and
(02:25):
so summertimes stuff like that, I'd get to go out
on tour with them, and standing backstage and you know,
watching Whalan do his sing and watching my mom sing
and hearing the instruments. I was automatically just so drawing
to the emotion and music. And of course we'll get
(02:45):
into it a little bit later. But like my mother,
you know, she liked bad boys. She didn't want to
take handouts from Whalan. So we ended up living in
lower class areas throughout Nashville. And so as I was
growing hip hop, really as it was blowing up, it's
what I really latched onto, you know, the storytelling and
(03:09):
the stories of hard times and heartbreak and the same
as country. Just it was that generation, you know, and
that was the That's what spoke to me due to
my environment more than anything. So at a young age,
I started writing poetry and falling in love with music.
And you know, my mom would play the piano every
(03:30):
night when she'd get off work, or every morning when
she woke me up for school. She would start today
singing hymn notes and playing and you know, kind of
infuse that energetic, happy, blessed to be awake environment even
through our hardest times. She was sixteen when she had me,
(03:51):
so you know, we struggled a lot with her growing
up and us kind of raising each other.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
But she always tried to.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Infuse music into the house household as uplifting and as
a way. So I latched onto that immediately, And a
lot of my influences, of course, was wailing musically. A
lot it came from my tupac, you know, with my
lyricism and telling my story in a way that others
(04:18):
could gravitate towards it. Right, Like always, even when I
was just doing poems when I was young, writing poems
in school, but it was always something maybe not that
I went through, but that I was watching somebody else
go through. And it's really heartfelt things.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, that's interesting, So even when you were young, you
observed things and were inspired to write about them poetically.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah. One of the first poems that ever wrote was
about abortion, and of course I was like eleven years old,
so I didn't really even understand what that concept was.
But it was called nine Months and it was about
being in the womb and then but you know, then.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was about abortion.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So yeah, I was always I've always been like the
person to like soak up everything around me, like we'll
get into it later. I did five years in prison,
and I didn't write a single song while I was
in there because I was like, I want to just
really take care of everything else I need to take
care of right now, observe, soak this up and then
I'll tell the story when I leave. And I've always
(05:25):
just been that kind of person, you know, like super pathic.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So well, do you do you remember? And pathic is
a phenomenal way to explain it. Do you remember the
first moment that music really deeply touched you?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I mean, it's I.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Don't I think it's been happening so long that I
probably don't remember the exact but I remember being in
kindergarten and liking a girl named Sarah in school, and
that song Sarah was like on the radio, and I
can remember just like being emotional on the way to
school thinking about this girl that is in I'm in
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kindergarten that I have a crush on, you know, and
latching onto that song or you know, my Mom was
really musical since she was always listening to the radio,
Like music was constant when we were in the car
and the music was up all the way, And as
long as I can remember, I can remember the feeling
of the emotion from the songs, right, So, like I
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can pinpoint a time of my life to a song.
A lot of times an emotion like when I was
going through a breakup, or when I was, you know,
going through a tough time in school, or you know,
when I lost my father ten I can kind of
pinpoint songs to that because I've latched on so heavy
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my whole life to music and the emotion that came
from it, whether it's to soothe or to inspire or
to make me feel better about whatever the situation I'm
going through, or you know, like I've got all these
different playlists and the range of music is.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So wide, you know, depending on you know, if I'm
going to the.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Gym and I need like something that's going to get
me there, or if I'm sad or happier. You know,
music has such a power of being able to steer.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That for sure. And speaking of steering, you were once
hailed as one of Nashville's top rappers. And I'm curious,
despite your country music routs, what grew you to wrap
hip hop?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, it was just the environment. It was the era.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was, you know, the eighties and on up in
the early nineties, becoming a teenager and you know, ninety three,
ninety four and Tupac and the long list of you know,
UGK and A Ball and MJG. That were like from
kind of close to where I'm from, and growing up,
that was what I gravitated towards, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And by the time I was twelve, I was in
a gang.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
My mom was working two jobs, and my dad was
murdered when I was ten, and so my wife had
kind of taken this huge shift to a different path,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And rap is just what I latched onto. It's what
spoke to me.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's what made me feel okay, it's what made me
feel like I wasn't alone and what I was going
through how I felt then, I you know, I started
writing raps at twelve thirteen years old and decided that's
what I wanted to do, you know. And of course
life had its different obstacles and different you know, speed bumps,
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But yeah, I think that's really where that came from.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But country music was still always a backdrop, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It was always the soundtrack, you know, when I was
with my dad or when you know, after my dad
was gone and I was with my uncle's, country was
what everybody was listening to country or southern rock, and
so that was always ingrained in me, and I would
I found the same kind of comforting country a lot
of times just because of the storytelling.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So they kind of both coincided in my life.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To really pay that path to me being one of
the first artists to ever mix the two genres, you know,
and then now leaning into country and finding what my
voice is, what my world in country music is. And
a lot of these songs that I'm doing now are
coming out really old school, and you know, it's natural.
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It's not like we're pushing to get a sound or
we're pushing it. We're just going in there and writing
about my life and.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Laying the instruments to it. And it's turning out.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I've got sixty five unreleased country songs right now.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Wow, coming up in the next year.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So congratulations.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, I took a break from touring last year
for just a few months.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
For three months.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I still did over one hundred shows last year, but
for three months I took a break from touring and
wrote over one hundred songs in those three months.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's been working. How did you having Whalen Jennings as
a grandfather impact your relationship with music?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, one, you know, growing up with him as my grandfather,
I didn't really you know, he's papa. So until I
got older, I didn't realize, like, oh man, my papa
is like the band. Like back then, he was just papa,
and I knew he was. I knew he was famous.
But also in school and stuff, kids would give me
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stuff about it, like, you know, you know, my mom said,
your dad's your grandpa is not a country music star.
He's just a drug addict or you know, because he
had been going through legal cases with his drug abuse
and stuff. But I didn't know that side of him
because and I think it was an eighty five or
somewhere when I was like five or six, he had
that big heart attack and he quit doing everything. So
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when I was just really young, he switched over to
a whole nother role as who he was, and I
got the best years of him. You know as a grandfather,
but musically it drew me, of course, closer to music.
Watching the guy that was like, you know everything my
dad wasn't around anymore, and wailing it stepped up to
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the plate to really be like my father, and getting
to watch him walk out on those stages and the
people just go crazy, and him sing those songs, and
that of course solidified what I wanted to do as
a man. He taught me so much about family and
about integrity and about standing your ground and not selling
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out or selling yourself short. Musically, he inspired me so
much to just tell your story and be truthful and
honest and just be you. Don't try to be like
somebody else, or you know, don't follow he used to say,
don't follow in my footsteps.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Find your own life, you know, stand in my shadow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
There's so much that I gained from those years with
him being my grandfather. But when I was young, I
didn't you know, He's just like, yeah, whyn't Jens is
my grandfather And some people are like yeah, right, or
really or you know, And it got to a point
when I was older, I didn't tell anybody for a
few years. Yellow Wolf tells the story all the time
that he was you know me and they were best
friends for almost a year before I even brought it up.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Because yeah reaction, he was like what, yeah, right, you know,
but I didn't want to be judged that way musically
coming in, Like I didn't adopt the name Jennings until
probably twenty and twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Like, I was just struggle. You know, there's a lot
that comes with that. You know, some people automatically assume, oh,
you've had it easier. You're riding your grandpa's coat tails.
You've had it easier because of who he is. It's like, man,
it makes it ten times harder. They expect you to
fill his shoes. They say, oh, you're not like your
grand wall.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Of course I'm not. I'm not him.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Myself, you know, I'm doing things my own way, and.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So there it actually makes it a lot harder.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now, it makes for a good conversation piece, you know,
when you walk into a room of musicians or artists,
of course, but as far as in the industry or fans,
there was no head, you know, there was no like
I didn't get any free rise because of that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If anything, it made it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
A lot harder I bet it was.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And the reason the reason I even adopted the name
is because that's what they started calling me. They started
calling me struggled Jennings when like everybody was talking about
me going to prison and like.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The news, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And dear friend of mine who's been riding with me
the whole time and helped me build my brand, a
guy named Sebastians Marberry. He was like, man, if you
type in struggle on Google, you're never going to find you.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But you put in Jennings, you know it'll pop up.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And I talked to a Shooter about it, and Shooter
was like, man, please, that would be amazing, like pay
homage to them and use the name.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So I fought it for a while, but it just
kind of came part of the story. You know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's a great legacy. And I understand that because
I've talked to so many artists who have kids who
have said the words like I've ruined my kids. They
all think they're going to be just like me, and
it's you know, there you are with your grandfather, and
it's a tremendous burden to carry, especially if you're going
to go right into that same industry. Yeah, I totally know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
One of the things that I think one of the
things that helped the most about being his grandson and
having that relationship even in my darkest moments, even when
my music wasn't streaming, even when I had a fiction
notices on the door, even when you know, I was
getting into trouble and fighting court cases, and regardless all
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the different phases of my life, I never gave up
because he was a clear example that I had from
as early as I can remember that he came from nothing,
dirt floors in Texas and to me seeing him that
his prime with you know, a nanny and maids and
Cadillacs and Mercedes and guards at the shack and you know,
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like so I got to see what was possible. So
regardless of how bad things got, always had that glimmer
of faith and hope that it would it's possible. And
I think a lot of people from my neighborhood and
a lot of my old friends, they never had that,
And that was one of the defining things, you know,
And I'll try to instill that in my kids now
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and in other people's kids. You know, I have friends
that are still struggling and you know, work, you know,
sixty hours a week to still barely getting by, and
they can't do as much for their kids as maybe
I can. But I try to pick up that slack
and take them on vacations and do things because I
want those kids to see that too. Like this is,
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if you get a taste of that better life, sometimes
you'll you'll never settle for less. And I think that
what one of the differences was is I never settled
and I never gave up, regardless of what was handed
to me or what was in front of me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, and that's something that's definitely built in when you
know it naturally to not give up, and you know,
people leading ahead of you by example certainly put that
out there, but you have to be able to see
it and make that choice. And that's really hard, I
think for a lot of people to just choose to
not give up. Yeah, it sounds so simple, but it's
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you know, like you said, it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It's a choice. There was many times in my life
where I never thought the music would work.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Out, and you know, being Tony Montana wasn't working out.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
You know, all these different phases of my life and
the neighborhood that I come from West Nashville. It's called
the Nations. It's surrounded by prisons and factories. And you know,
in our neighborhood, you either worked at the factories or
you want to prison. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's kind of like those were the two, and so like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
To make it in that neighborhood is to get a
job with the city, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Work your way up to twenty dollars an hour in
a retirement fund, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I just I always saw past that so far
that I never could settle into that comfort.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You know, you're a visionary. You know, you speak quite openly.
I've seen on TikTok and a couple of other places
about a very pivotal moment in your life. Although you
saw the potential in the future, you still ended up
going through quite a bit of strife to get where
you are now. And when you were in prison, you
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decided to turn your life around. That was the moment,
at least, that's what I can recall from what you
would had said. Yeah, can can you describe that moment?
That that moment for the listeners right now? Because I
feel like, you know, you're such an amazing example of
someone who has like everybody thinks, you had it all
and you had all the best influences from the top down,
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and you saw the good, you saw the bad, but
you still ended up where you ended up. How did
you What was that moment like for you? And can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, you know, there was a lot of in and
outs as far as jail, and you know, I tempted
to change my life a few times and been successful
and then failed, and you know, took steps forward and
fell steps back. And at one point I did fifteen
months in jail for a marijuana case and got out
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and my kids were scattered. The mother of my kids
was fighting a fed case, and so I went and
got my kids and I was a single dad with
two kids. And I did good for like five six years,
stayed straight, working you know, two jobs if I had to,
and started having more kids with the mother of my
three youngest.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And fell back in.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You know, it was like one too too many or
too too many viction notices and you know, jobs not
panning out, and you know, I just I kept I
kept working hard, and that I you know, get knocked
down and or allowed myself to fall. I hate to
use the get knocked down, because we have this choice
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as well, right to get back up. And I fell
short numerous times in and out of jail, and I
you know, did good for years and then I fall
back off. And then this last time when I went
to prison. At that point, I had five kids, and
I was watching the ones that I thought for so
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long I was doing right by you know, where I
was instilled with a lot of irrational beliefs at a
young age.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You know, you feature.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Family by any means necessary. It's okay to do wrong
if you're doing it for the right reasons. You know,
I live by that. I justify everything by like, I'm
just doing this for my kids. I'm just doing this
for my family, to take care of my kids.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know. Then when those gate shut, my kids became
the biggest victim.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They were left without a father, without someone to protect them,
provide for them. You know, my wife at the time
was left without a partner, without the man that was
paying the bills and taking care of her. So I
got slapped with that reality real fast that hey, I'm
not the man I thought I was, and I'm not
being a good father, I'm not being a good husband.
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I'm not being a good son, I'm not being a
good friend by continuing to put my family through this.
That's a hard pill to swallow, you know, when you
really have to look at things and take accountability and say,
everything that is happening to me and everything that is
happening to the people that I love, is a direct
result of a decision that I made.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
You know, you can't really hide anymore. You can't hide behind,
you can't justify.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know, you can't be mad at the guy that
told on you because I shouldn't have been doing what
I was doing. And then the top that I'm watching
what's happening the mother of my kids hooking up with
another guy getting addicted to drugs again, and when I worked.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hard to get her off of them.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
My children being drug through the mud and in the
bad situations, you know, having to make those phone calls
home and my five year old daughter at the time
is crying, saying, Daddy, we have an eight and I'm
having a teacher from a jail phone how to make
macaroni and cheese so she can feed her two siblings
because her mom's passed out on drugs. And realizing that
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I'm not there. I can't protect them, you know. And
then my daughter got molested in a drug house, you know.
And I'm finding all this out while sitting behind concrete
and still with no one to blame but myself. You
come to a point where you're like, hey, the same
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way I messed all this up, I'm the only one
that can fix it. So I decided to just really
buckle down and work to become the best man that
I could make sure that my kids never had to
go through that again. There were a lot of moments
in there where I'm looking around the room and I'm
seeing the guys that are gambling and smoking cigarettes, eating
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honey buns and you know, and then I'm seeing the
guys that are reading books, going to every program, working out.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I said, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I spent every day of my five years training mind, body, soul, spirit,
finding out, stripping down all those layers and finding out
why do I keep coming back? Why do I keep
coming here? How can I stop this fish a cycle?
Because my uncle said it. My dad was killed when
I was ten, and you know, he was a great man,
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but you know, he sold drugs and worked all and
just a good old boy.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
But it's a vicious cycle. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Wailing passed from drug induced diabetes, you know, from years
of addiction. I don't want my kids to have to
go through what I went through. I want them to
have a father, I want them to have a role model.
I want them to have somebody that can look up to,
look to count on. I started stripping all those layers
away and really digging and so searching and finding myself,
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finding who I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Be, Like who am I really? You know.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's why I wear all the turquoise because for so long,
since I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Turquoise was my favorite stone.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But I was so caught up in what was cool
and what I thought I was supposed to be that
I would never wear it. I had all these diamond
chains and gold and you know, and so when I
came home, I was like, turquoise wasn't cool at that time,
you know, And I was like, but it was to me.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So I started rocking the turquoise. Now it's trendy, but you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Know, back then, my first time.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, but yeah, So it was like watching all this happen,
you know, even leading up to the death of the
mother of my kids who died from a drug overdose
a few years ago, watching what my children were going
through and having to honestly look at that and go.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Just because of me, This is because of.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That guy I was trying to be and I justified
it for so long, you know, and now trying to
make sure that I can keep those same irrational beliefs
out of my children's mind. So, you know, those moments
and those phone calls calling home. I remember as soon
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as I got into County Jail, one of the first
things that my five year old daughter, Innocence, who just
went through so much, finding out that her mom had
passed out and she was at a bus stop crying,
couldn't you know, one there to pick her up for
four hours, you know, and thinking about what a six
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year old is going through in their mind when she's
used to Daddy pulling up and being there, and now
Daddy's not here, and now nobody's there to pick her up.
Like those moments were the just the ones that is,
even though as tragic as they are, and I tell
my family all the time, it's like, that's why I'm
not going to give up. That's why I didn't give up.
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Something great has to come from this, or it was
all in vain. If we can take all the pain
and all the tragedy and all the bad mistakes and
do something great with that, learn.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
From it and.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Inspire others and live a purpose driven life in gratitude,
and we can do something great with all of this,
it wasn't in vain.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We'll be right back with more of the Music Saved
Me podcast. And by the way, if you like this podcast,
you were going to love our companion podcast called Taking
a Walk. It's hosted by my dear friend Buzz Night
and you can find it wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast, the podcast
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where we discussed the healing powers of music with some
of the biggest names in music as well as up
and comers, and looking inward, the fact that you had
the wherewithal to look inward. I'm curious, did writing and
creating music play any type of role in your personal
transformation on top of all of discovery.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, every bit of it. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I journaled the whole time I was there. I wrote letters,
I would write while I was in there. I didn't
actually form songs because I was like I'm just going
to write my you know, write about things. And it's
always been my go to A's always where my therapy was.
And then getting out from prison and telling that story,
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showing that transformation of course and my actions and who
I am, but telling that story through my music and
watching you know, the tens of thousands, one hundred thousands
of people gravitate towards that find inspiration and hope in
my music and use my music to help them get
through whatever they're going through. And then to get to
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meet them at meet and greets at shows and hug
their neck and you know them cry on our shoulder.
And that's what's kept me going. That's what's kept me straight,
that's what keeps me focused, That's what keeps me from
you know, losing it.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
God allowed me to be strong enough to make it
through this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And now I have a testimony to give and I
have an opportunity to give that back. And you know,
when you have that, when you have a purpose, when
you feel like there's purpose in what you do, right,
all the other things that come.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Now. I tell people all the time, I don't look
at ops. I look at obstacles as opportunities.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Another notch under my belt story to tell to show
somebody else that they can get through this too, you know,
like when I found out that I found out recently
that how my father had got killed, you know, and
it had been by a family member, And when I
was young. He died when I was ten and I
was outside playing football and my mom comes out there
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and she's like, hey, your dad's on the phone, and
I was like, tell him, I'll call him back later.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, when I came in that night, she was crying.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
All my family pulled up, told me that my dad
was no longer with us. I was ten, and they
told me it was suicide. So where they thought they
were protecting me by telling me it was suicide, I
was the last person he called and I didn't take
the phone call. So I lived with that all through
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my teenage years, feeling that regret of what if I
would answer the phone, which of course led me to
be suicidal because then I was like, you know, last
time my dad died.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And it wasn't until I was.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Eighteen and my uncle told me, boy, your dad didn't
kill himself. He was killed, but I never got a
clear answer who it was. And then one of my
family members of my favorite aunts. She was on her
deathbed and I went to visit her, and one of
my other uncles let it out the bag that she
was the one that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Had killed him.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And I had my arm around her when it was
told to me, and it was one of those moments
where like, you know, I kind of blanked out, you know,
and I just kind of looked around, and I looked
at her, and she didn't budge, you know, she took
it all the way to the grave with it. But
she had been such a light in my life, and
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she had took care of me so many times when
I was in my darkest moment, and I wasn't even
mad at her.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It was another level of closure.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I would have liked to been able to talk to
her and find out like what happened, you know, like
if they got an argument or what the reason was.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But she passed that night and I didn't. I never
got that. But but even then it was one of
those things.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It was like I had to go through that to
become who I am today and to be able to
talk to other people that are going through the same
things or that have been through or been through you know,
things like that to let them know that they're not
alone and that they can find strength, and the fact
that I'm still here and I'm doing good. You know,
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I'm working to do great, but I'm doing good. You know,
I've got all seven kids in the house, you know,
my daughter who was molested and you know, cooking macaroni
and cheese in that apartment, talking to her dad on
the phone, trying to feed her siblings, and watching her
mom overdose and pass out, and then eventually losing her
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mother to a drug overdose.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She just called me this morning because she couldn't. She
was trying to figure out where to get her parking past.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
At college, she graduated with three point nine SHEPA honors.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You know, that's such amassing.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Western She's in Western Kentucky now, you know, for going
to college, you know, and is doing incredible. My daughter,
Curtis that who's sixteen, she's you know, she was right there.
She was the younger sister, and she went through all
of that just as much, you know, and having to
be stripped from not only their father leaving, but then
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their mother crashing when he left, and then you know,
going from a life where I was providing to the
depths of poverty until they ended up in foster care.
And then you know, I came home and fought for
a year to get them out of foster care and
to get custody of them again, and then you know,
rebuilding those relationships and those that trust and stability.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And you know, now she's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Sixteen and drives some brand new Lexus at V and
the homecoming queen straight a student like not even ninety eight,
like one hundreds and hundred and two s like, you know,
in an incredible relationship with a great guy who was
a huge soccer star. I mean, it's just you know, there,
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it is possible to turn it all around. You just
have to believe. You have to believe in yourself. You
have to put the work in, and you have to
find those things. Like for me, music was one of
the biggest things that I could latch onto and when
I needed you know, of course I have prayer and
other things, but when I need to just recenter, I
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can find that song, you know, and strike that emotion.
And whether it's me driving around you know with it
on ten, crying my eyes out, or you know, getting
amped up, or just a happy singing at the top
of my lungs, whatever or that is, whatever that emotion
I need or that strength that I need being able to.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Pull it for music.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know, That's why we came out with Sound Sobriety
and the concept to Sound Sobriety, which is the rehabs
that were opening.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'm supposed to be cutting the ribbon on the first
one soon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
We had a few hiccups in it, but we're lined
up to do about twenty of them as soon as
we get the first model completely locked in and done.
But I'm also working. We're still working, even though we
don't have our facility open yet. We're still doing things.
But the concept behind it was, you know, for me,
writing was one of my biggest avenues of release and therapy.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And you know, so.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'll be having big songwriters and big artists come in
to the rehabs and Pete doing the songwriting class where
we teach each participant that comes through how to put
their life and their emotions and their feelings into song form.
And then when they graduate the program, they'll get a
(34:03):
be my number and be a registered songwriter, and so
they'll have somebody that they can pitch it. We'll pitch
songs for them, you know, they'll have somebody that they
can turn their songs into and pitch them for other
artists and hopefully give them, you know, hope and of
a career in that as well, because.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That's what it's been for me.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know, if I didn't have divine connection with music
or that deep passion to create, and you know, who
knows if I would have made it through all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I didn't even want to stop this momentum because you're
just your story is just so incredible. And then every
time I think I've heard it all, it's just another
height that you've reached after reaching the lowest lows. It's
pretty incredible, and it's amazing how much music has been
a part of it. And obviously this question I'm going
to ask you, I'm going to guess I know the
(34:53):
answer to Do you believe that music has healing powers?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I think it's one of the strongest.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, we know it scientifically right through, like you know,
different frequencies and stuff you know that are able to
heal soundbats, and you know, there's so much scientific research,
but just as far as the personal, yes, I think
it's one of the most healing things ever. You know,
I've had songs that I needed to write, like when
(35:20):
the mother and my children passed, or when I was
first coming home and I didn't really have that relationship
back with my daughters yet that I'd have these songs.
They take me months to write because every time I'd
get emotional when I try to write it. But once
I got that out on the paper and once I
sang it through that microphone, not only did I get
(35:43):
a level of healing, but then being able to play
it for them and then understand and have that to
hold on to as well.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's just a whole nother you know.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think music has definitely been what's healed me more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Who are so much artists that you listen into when
you're having sort of a difficult time or maybe that
you can recall you listen to in times of darkness.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean there's so many, you know, and different levels
of different years and who was everything from you know
old country, nineties country, George Street and George John like
heartbreak songs, or you know Ed Sheeran has had there's
He's had a couple of songs. There's an artist named
(36:29):
Ron Pope who he had some songs that got me
through some really really dark times. Let's go Chris Stapleton,
you know, I mean there's just so many, you know,
you can go back to, you know, Whaland songs and
Tupac songs. You know old rat that was just telling
those stories. There's there's so many, you know. I couldn't
(36:51):
pinpoint one artist.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
That would be a whole other show, isn't it. Well,
you know, speaking of artists, one of your bestie? Can
I say that about guys best?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
When I just when I just went to the ad MS,
the ATHM Awards last year and in Texas, uh, you know,
you get your credentials, and Jelly was up for a
bunch of awards.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I wasn't out for any awards or anything, but I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Was there as his guest and my credential, said Struggle
Jennings artist Jelly Rolls bestie.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh good, So I'm not the only one that called
me that. I love that so much? Can you tell
me I love him too? How important is that brotherhood
with someone like Jelly Roll on your on your journey?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, it's been everything, you know, I mean, it's been
it's been such a major role. He we met I
was fresh out of a jail sentence, raising two kids
by myself.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I think I.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hadn't even had my third child yet when I when
we met and he just got out of jail or
juvenile because he was still young and he was out
selling CDs and doing rap battles and I was promoting
the show and selling my CD and we met and
just automatically clicked.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
And going on twenty three years of a friendship.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You know, he slept on my couch and I've watched him,
you know, grow and become who he's becoming. Not only
did our friendship because we were in the streets together.
You know, we we did a lot of things. We
carried a lot of caskets together, We lost a lot
of friends. We both did time, you know, during our friendship.
(38:38):
And having somebody that you just always know is there
for you, you know, has been such a major part
of it because there's you know, I think a lot
of people make a lot more That's why I believe
(38:59):
in support system so much.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I believe that a lot of people make a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Decisions when they feel like they're all alone and they
have nobody, you know, the level of desperation or the
level of loneliness and.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Feeling like you have nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And there's something Jelly's always given me is feeling like
I had something to lose. You know, when I was
in prison, he you know, calling him from that jail phone.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
And him being like, oh man, I'm in Missouri. I'm
in Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You know, he was out doing shows and he was
sleeping in a van, and you know, he started telling
me as I was getting close to getting out.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like sure, I'm telling you, this is possible. Man.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You guys made a thousand bucks last night at the show,
you know, Like why you mean a.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Thousand dollars in one night without set of drugs, like,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
So there was so much inspiration and hope. And when
I came home, you know, he still didn't having figured out.
It was still you know, doing shows and sleeping in
a van still sometimes and you know he wasn't but
then he just never gave up. He kept plugging away
and uh, and it definitely was a big inspiration for
(40:15):
me to not give up, you know. And then we
started doing the Weaving and Willie albums together and they
just took off, and then he signed with Strange Music.
And then had the song save Me, and.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It was just like yep, now.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
He's the household name, and I couldn't be more proud
of him. I love it, and he's he's still this
day my best friend. You know, we we can sometimes
talk five times a week, or sometimes we might not
talk for three or four weeks because of his schedule.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
He's picked left off.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well anytime we cost two three hour phone call. You know,
I can be that sounding board for him and he
can decompress and know that anything he says that phone
with me is a thousand percent safe and things that
you know, a lot of times, men we don't have
too many people that we can really just vent and
(41:12):
lay it all on, you know, like our wives, or
our children, or our mothers or everybody kind of looks
to us to be that strength in that backbone.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
So in our moments of weakness sometimes it's hard. You know,
we try.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
To hold that into shield others from feeling you know,
getting nervous or ANTSI you know, we got to act
like we've got it all together.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
So me and him have that in each other.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And you know, I don't call him because I respect
his time and I know how busy he is, all right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I mean, if I had.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Something, you know, that I really needed to talk to
him about, it was like an important or something, I
would call him. I'm not saying I don't ever call him,
but I just I kind of try to be that
friend that is just like he knows he can call
me at any time, and I'm going to shut the
world down and give him those two or three hours
that he needs because he's he's really busy right now.
(42:10):
He's going through a lot a lot of changes, you know,
from coming from where we came from and going through
what he's went through to now being the biggest star
on the face of the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
You know, there's a lot of pressure in that. There's
a lot of you know, I know he's so busy.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
He's got people pulling them a hundred different ways, right
So being able to be that support for him and
just be that guy for.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Him that's always there for him means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, two things, keeping each other grounded and also
knowing that as much as it's great to ride to
the success levels, there's also pitfalls that come with it,
and I'm sure he needs the safety of your friendship
even though he's.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Always have it and always have it.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
It really is holding each other accountable to you know,
like he calls me all my sh it. You know,
he's like struggle or you're not being accountable or not
holding yourself accountable right now?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Why did that happen?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know, that's a nice way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah. Well, he likes to give me my own medicine.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
You know, Yes, you know, I got to hear my
own sermons sometimes from somebody else.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, like what would you say to yourself? What would
you tell me? Tell yourself that same thing kind of
advice it Jelly does that.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
He uses uh, he uses my own sayings against me,
not against me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's for me, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, but you need that, you need you know, if
you're surrounded by yes men or people that just tell
you what you want to hear, or you know, condone
your bad behavior rights, We're all going to slip.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
We're all going to make mistakes. That never stops, right.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's really just realizing when you make those, taking accountability
for him and then it because it's really not about
how many times you falls, about how many times you
get back up.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, we all have were riddled with human nature.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Mistakes. I like to say mistakes are tuition, you know,
if you use them correctly, then they're not mistakes. Yeah,
and sometimes you have to have a piano. A friend
of mine said this once. It was so sometimes you
know when like a piano just falls on your head,
like those are those moments that you need to wake up,
you know whatever that you know incredibly. I saw a
(44:32):
video and I believe it just happened this past year,
and I just want to congratulate you when you were
invited to the grandel Opry. I'm falling watching the video
over asking you, well.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I didn't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He told me I needed to come down there today
CMS and there was like a little grandell'd opery event
that he wanted me to come to. And when did
Billy Bob's with them the night before? And so I'm
in there and the vent's cool or whatever, but I
was like, eh, I'm I might have a drink or something,
you know. So I mows you over to the bar
and I'm talking to other artists and hanging out, and
(45:06):
I see him coming across the room and I can
tell that he's upset.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
But he's like teary ad and he gets up on
me and I'm paying attention to him.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
So I didn't even realize there was cameras around us, right,
but they were like camera crew's following him. But I'm
locked into his eyes because I can see he's like
choked up. He's like, man, I got to tell you something.
And my first thing because of our history, and you know,
I thought somebody had died, you know, like we lost
one of our best friends, like our little nephew a
(45:39):
year two years before that, the day me and him
were doing Red Rocks together, we got the call that
he had got killed outside of a club in Nashville,
our nephew, Nate.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
And so it's like we've had so many of those
kind of moments.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
That I just automatically went into like what's wrong, what's wrong,
what's wrong? And then he's like they've invited you to
play the grand old Opery.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
He couldn't even get the words out, he couldn't even
say it.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I'd betther look on my face of the video.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I laugh at it all the time because it was
like a whirlwind of emotions going from thinking somebody's died
or something's really wrong to Oh my God, this is
one of the greatest honors I could ever get, and
I don't take something else. How God likes to give
little winks every once in a while and let you
know you're doing right.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
My Grand Old Opry debut, I didn't get to pick
the date, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
They said, well, this is the day that you're gonna
that we want you to come do.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
The Grand Old Opry fell on the same day is
my last day of parole.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
So I walked out on the stage at the Grand
Old Opry a free man, and it was like one
of those wings from God saying this is the end
of one chapter in.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The beginning of another.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
You know it sure was.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You can't make it up, man, can't make it up.
It's just so beautiful. How if you just stay in
tune and you stay in line.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
And you listen and you pay attention, do your best
to be your best and be humble and grateful, so
much amazing things fall into place, things we could never
even design.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
You know, Struggle Jennings, thank you so much for coming
on Music Save Me and sharing your story with us. Well,
thank you, really, I mean, just wonderful, wonderful stuff that
you're doing, and keep doing what you're doing, and that's
what we're doing here and highlighting stories like you love
It are just some of the most amazing things that
I feel like I've ever been a part of. So
(47:39):
thanks for coming on to share it and for the liteners.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Thank you doing what you're doing. Thanks keep touching lives.
People need to hear it.
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