November 21, 2023 • 18 mins
Steve Hackett is an English guitarist, songwriter, singer and record producer who gained prominence as the lead guitarist of the progressive rock band Genesis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Taking a Walk, anyone has a run itself because if
the song really really works, but it's like a world
under itself if you come up with a really good
one that no one has quite done in that way.
But I think the only thing that could grab anyone
on me it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Could love it. He could love what you're doing, Wady,
except for if it calls on y is.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's never mattered that.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
If you love it then it will never let you down.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to another edition of Taking a Walk Music History
on Foot. Buzz Night is your host, and on this
episode we have one of progressive rocks great guitarists, Steve Hackett.
He was the lead guitarist for the British supergroup Genesis
from nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy seven. He continues
to have an accomplished solo career. Steve is a member
(00:51):
of the Rock Hall of Fame and he joins Buzz
Next on Taking a Walk.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Hello Steve, hither a right, that is buzz How are you,
mister Hackett?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, very good, does very good.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Thank you so great to speak to you. I've been
a fan for a long time, sir, Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, thank you very much. I'm glad and jaded stuff
over the years.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So how enjoyable for you? Has it been celebrating your
great work like Foxtrot at fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, it's been kind of amazing because we recorded and
told this stuff last year and the rest of the
world and we recorded this alum live in Brighton on
the south coast of England and it's gone to number
(01:45):
two in the rock charts over here. So the nice
validation from hinted material to have a kind of a
second a second chance of Genesis fire in a way,
it's I'm very proud of it. They very pleased that
(02:06):
it's out there again, that I'm able to clear it
from an era when John Lennon gave an interview and
said he's considered Genesis to be three songs of the Beetle,
which is it extordinary?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And John was a big fan of selling England by
the pound also, wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's right, yeah, I think that era of selling England
was the one that I first heard that he's that
Genesis he said was one of the bands that he'd
been listening to at the time. And then this other
interview Nigel Pierce in the UK told me about this
because you've got a paper, which is what John Lennon
(02:48):
saying that I need to unearth this. He's a huge
beetle a file, this guy, Nigel Pierce, and he's got
all sorts of people and memorabilia and everything. He's basically
a day and a presenter and and and a complete
Beatle fanatic.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Of course, and it's quite obvious listening to well, one
of my favorites and certainly our listener's favorites, uh the
lamb Lies down on Broadway, that has a tremendous tip
of the hat to the Beatles, I believe is that
fair to say?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, I think, you know, maybe songs like counting Out Time.
I would think of maybe at our most beat left
we were doing and what I Like in Your Wardrobe
and that is pretty much the pure Beatles, and with
our first hit single, I think by the time we
(03:48):
were doing Lambos down on Broadway, did he gab wasn't
sure that he wanted to be the lead singer of
Jennifers anymore. He's really wating towards the solo career, and
he did great things, of course, But I think of
that album uh Landa down on Broadway really at this
(04:09):
Swan song with the Genesis.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So did you have the opportunity, Uh, well, John Lennon
was alive to encounter him and talk music and guitar
playing and such.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
If only no that that never happened. I think in
those days, my god, you know, wouldn't that have been amazing?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But we were you know, we we came from humble
beginnings and when we heard he said that that was
just that was just pgs. We were trying to get
gigs in the States at that time. We were just
leaving New York when he started to give us a
name tack or two and that would that was great?
Maybe it was just because he gave you or used
(04:54):
the kuku kachi thing in.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You and know what I like.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Maybe it was a symbol as that reference in then
you know, quoting them. Perhaps maybe it was because of
that the want of bounds that were you know, nodding
or giving them a nod because obviously they did great things.
I mean, we all wrote in on the on the
coat tails of the Beatles. They really opened up the
(05:18):
industry for the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So do you recall a song or artist that you
first heard growing up that hooked you on music for Life.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh well, it was so much stuff. I mean, in
the very early days, I was ready to play harmonica
and I loved all, you know, the harmonica players of
a certain era, people like Larry Adler and and many more.
But I do remember hearing Mary Orlandra on the radio.
This is much earlier than than You're amazing. I'm going
(05:51):
to say that. I just remember listening to this stuff
and easily falling over the power of the notes. It
just bro me, absolutely not. And I tried to get
something like the same thing with the guitar cord many
years later. Operatic rock guitar. It's such a thing, were talkable.
(06:12):
I wanted to make it thing, and of course technology
allows you to do that. With the fanantics guitars with
the pain that pickups, they'll do that. You know, it's
nature and their VODI and the feet back on board
the guitar itself. You know.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
In Guitar World, and I'm going to quote Guitar World,
they said Steve Hackett's early explorations of two handed tapping
and sweep picking were far ahead of their time, and
they say that the influence ultimately went to people like
Eddie Van halend Alex Lifson and Brian May, among others.
(06:55):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's a great thing. They had the European Guitar
Awards fairly recently and they they gave me the award.
It was, it was in Holland. It was extraordinary and
a lot of these guys sent films congratulating me, which
was was marvelous.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I worked with Brian and met some of them, but
not all of them, and it was great. The guitarists
are so generous to say this sort of thing, but
you know, I'm very grateful to them all, you know,
because a lot of the time I think, you know,
(07:38):
we can beaver away in the dark and you come
up with something and you hope it's going to work,
and maybe a technique like tapping just kind of caught
the imagination of a lot of guitarists and they figured
it's a way of playing very very fast on one
string and then if you cannot from one or the other,
(07:58):
and I can do it in time, then you can
fire up his kind of machine gun rabbit fire thing.
It's it's it's the guttling gun of of guitar playings
that we're up, you know, spet Wallri.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I'm grateful to have had your mate Steve Howe on
a previous episode of this podcast, and one of the
things we discussed, you know, was his diversity of musical influences.
You celebrate a tremendous diversity as well of influences. Starting
(08:38):
I think with the blues, can you can you talk
about your diverse musical influences.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I remember being blues in the early nineteen sixties
when I was growing up and thinking, oh well, maybe
I could be something like that on harmonica, and I
used to play along the record like crazy, and even
he needs to emulate them at Gake just you can't
get it right, you know, absolutely rugged blues. I've got
(09:11):
enormous respects for harden Wolf and Muddy Waters and Little Water,
these guys, they were all great Michael players. And then
of course, you know the white version of that was
with personified and Deified by Paul Butterfield. He was so
(09:31):
absolutely brilliant and I saw his band, the Paul Butterfield
Blaue Band in the mid ninety sixties sixty six, and
Bloomfield was in the band Michael Bloomfield, Alvin Bishop Mark
Naplin on keyboard, my god, and I think it was
(09:52):
three guys who's been with Ali Wolf's band, Sam Lay
on drums, I believe, and the had been Jerome Manold
on bays. But it was absolutely spell binding. It was wonderful.
You know, I've been playing harmonica for years, and yet
I'd never heard the instruments sound anything like the rippling
(10:14):
sound that Butterfield had with that control and the vibrato
which which you could guy for it sounded like a
like a trumpet or like a guitar. It was just
this little tiny instrument that was being reinvented in front
of my my very eyes. So I have to say,
there's a lot of great bleed gigs, including Cream and
(10:39):
many others. Uh and and and of course the young
and wonderful uh Pete Green. Petere Green on guitar was
so enormously good with John Male's band. And so that's
that's some of them, you know, so many of them.
Sonny Boy Williamson, you know, harmonica player extordinaire. I absolutely
(11:05):
loved to believe. I thought I was going to be
a bleed guitarist harmonica player. But then, like so many
others who were aspiring towards that form. The bling Doom
really died on me at the end of the nineteen sixties,
just got so many others and the music was on
the term. It was about to change, and it was
going to absorb a number of guilty pleasures like classical
(11:27):
music and those who've been listening to Andrew Segovia and dah.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Where do you get your curiosity that is still you know,
a burning passion?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, I don't know where the burning passion comes from,
but it is still a passion that's still nuts about it.
Music ever really gave away. It's been a very good
friend to me. It's been rather extraordinary and there's always
surprising things that come up out of it. Something up.
(12:04):
I've get done a new album as well. I've done
a new studio album, and there's some stuff on that
that I absolutely love, and I hope I'm going to
be doing that some of that next year when we
come back with some of the Lamb Right Down and
Broadway stuff. I'm not going to do Lamb Light Down
in its entirety, but I'll do some tracks from it
(12:25):
and see what I think is the best, and we'll
take it from there with some new material as well.
It's so important to keep coming up with metaf I.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Have a couple of listener questions for you. First, Tom,
who's a major fan of your work from the Boston area.
He asks, you're carrying the Genesis torch. Is there any
animosity at all from Tony and Mike with regard to that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't think so. Something enough the bank said to me.
This was on the launch of Mike Runs a book.
He said, you're keeping the legacy alive. And I thought
he was going to steal them to me and say,
what are you doing that old stuff for? You know,
don't you do anything else? And he said, you're keeping
the legacy alive. So I think he's a strange contregation
(13:19):
in many ways, you know, but there was a compliment.
You know, you're keeping it alive. So hey, you know,
I'm doing it. I'm reinventing it and sometimes play it
with orchestras, many times play it with the band I have,
who are extraordinary. They say that, you know, the album
Fox Tilet City has gone to number two in the
(13:42):
rock charts in the UK. So all these years later,
that little old album we did in nineteen seventy two,
not only sprady the legs, but wings now and it's
and let's let's take it last as long as Beethoven.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Amen to that. No another question Bill from the Atlanta area.
He wanted me to ask you, what are some of
your favorite venues over your career that you've played in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, you know, I remember getting the Roxy Club in
la in nineteen seventy three when we were first brewing there,
and we did three nights, two shows a night, and
I still think they were some of the best shows
we ever did. Were beginning I think the Doctor Fox
Trot and quite a bit of swelling income by the town.
And I do remember that venue very very well and
(14:36):
felt very im there, very very very comfortable. So remember
doing that and from the broad Places to my garden
Mais Square Garden was amazing. We did that, if I
remember it correctly, we were be doing in nineteen seventy
seven and that was that was amazing, absolutely wonderful. So
(14:57):
there's been many many gigs up, cooking up the smallest
thing perhaps the biggest. Uh and and money money more.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I have to ask you, it's been heartbreaking to see
Phil Collins health deteriorate. How how is Phil from your perspective?
And how how are you guys getting getting it on
and getting along these days?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, I think that uh, you know, Sarah has given
his whole life to music and even before that the
film and stay in theater. Uh, you know, he was
the ought to judger in Ronald Broux Oliver. He was
as a child actor and singer. You have to remember,
(15:50):
you know, he was a veteran before he even with
his team, so it's his early stuff. So yes, it
is upbreaking the seam now at this stage of the game.
But you know he's given it his all. He's a
sweet guy and so proud to work with him. In Genesis.
(16:12):
He was full of great ideas and he was great inspiration,
full of energy. And I think that Genesis was was
lucky to have somebody who was not only a great drummer,
but a great singer and songwriter and arranger, all of
(16:34):
those things. You know, people often thought that it was
other people who did it, you know, the lead singer.
It's always the lead singer who invents everything people assume.
But in Genesis is full of it's full of great writers,
of good players and and much more. But you know,
Phil with with with with the league team really of
(16:56):
a genesis.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, lastly, I just want to ask you if somebody
were starting out a musical career who's listening to this, uh,
what sort of advice would you give them on mastering
the creative process As someone who has really mastered the
creative process.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, you know, I can't teach anyone how to write
a song because if the song really really works, but
it's like a world unto itself, if you come up
with a really good one that no one has quite
done in that way. But I think the only thing
that can grow anyone on it can love it it
to love what you're doing way really successful or if
(17:41):
it falls on death is it doesn't matter that. The
important thing is if you love it, then it will
never let you down. There will be no failure. You know.
The union is very broad. It will encompass you. And
I think if you see it as a game where
if you're always playing the tables or always playing the Instagram, lady,
(18:06):
luck will smile on you eventually. So I would say,
please don't play the pie and the course. Peter Gabriel,
thank you up.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I love it. Thank you for the joy you've certainly
given so many of the listeners of this podcast and
the joy that you've given me with your music, I'm
so grateful.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
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Taking a Walk, anyone has a run itself because if
the song really really works, but it's like a world
under itself if you come up with a really good
one that no one has quite done in that way.
But I think the only thing that could grab anyone
on me it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Could love it. He could love what you're doing, Wady,
except for if it calls on y is.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's never mattered that.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
If you love it then it will never let you down.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to another edition of Taking a Walk Music History
on Foot. Buzz Night is your host, and on this
episode we have one of progressive rocks great guitarists, Steve Hackett.
He was the lead guitarist for the British supergroup Genesis
from nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy seven. He continues
to have an accomplished solo career. Steve is a member
(00:51):
of the Rock Hall of Fame and he joins Buzz
Next on Taking a Walk.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Hello Steve, hither a right, that is buzz How are you,
mister Hackett?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, very good, does very good.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Thank you so great to speak to you. I've been
a fan for a long time, sir, Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, thank you very much. I'm glad and jaded stuff
over the years.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So how enjoyable for you? Has it been celebrating your
great work like Foxtrot at fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, it's been kind of amazing because we recorded and
told this stuff last year and the rest of the
world and we recorded this alum live in Brighton on
the south coast of England and it's gone to number
(01:45):
two in the rock charts over here. So the nice
validation from hinted material to have a kind of a
second a second chance of Genesis fire in a way,
it's I'm very proud of it. They very pleased that
(02:06):
it's out there again, that I'm able to clear it
from an era when John Lennon gave an interview and
said he's considered Genesis to be three songs of the Beetle,
which is it extordinary?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And John was a big fan of selling England by
the pound also, wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's right, yeah, I think that era of selling England
was the one that I first heard that he's that
Genesis he said was one of the bands that he'd
been listening to at the time. And then this other
interview Nigel Pierce in the UK told me about this
because you've got a paper, which is what John Lennon
(02:48):
saying that I need to unearth this. He's a huge
beetle a file, this guy, Nigel Pierce, and he's got
all sorts of people and memorabilia and everything. He's basically
a day and a presenter and and and a complete
Beatle fanatic.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Of course, and it's quite obvious listening to well, one
of my favorites and certainly our listener's favorites, uh the
lamb Lies down on Broadway, that has a tremendous tip
of the hat to the Beatles, I believe is that
fair to say?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, I think, you know, maybe songs like counting Out Time.
I would think of maybe at our most beat left
we were doing and what I Like in Your Wardrobe
and that is pretty much the pure Beatles, and with
our first hit single, I think by the time we
(03:48):
were doing Lambos down on Broadway, did he gab wasn't
sure that he wanted to be the lead singer of
Jennifers anymore. He's really wating towards the solo career, and
he did great things, of course, But I think of
that album uh Landa down on Broadway really at this
(04:09):
Swan song with the Genesis.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So did you have the opportunity, Uh, well, John Lennon
was alive to encounter him and talk music and guitar
playing and such.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
If only no that that never happened. I think in
those days, my god, you know, wouldn't that have been amazing?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But we were you know, we we came from humble
beginnings and when we heard he said that that was
just that was just pgs. We were trying to get
gigs in the States at that time. We were just
leaving New York when he started to give us a
name tack or two and that would that was great?
Maybe it was just because he gave you or used
(04:54):
the kuku kachi thing in.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You and know what I like.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Maybe it was a symbol as that reference in then
you know, quoting them. Perhaps maybe it was because of
that the want of bounds that were you know, nodding
or giving them a nod because obviously they did great things.
I mean, we all wrote in on the on the
coat tails of the Beatles. They really opened up the
(05:18):
industry for the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So do you recall a song or artist that you
first heard growing up that hooked you on music for Life.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh well, it was so much stuff. I mean, in
the very early days, I was ready to play harmonica
and I loved all, you know, the harmonica players of
a certain era, people like Larry Adler and and many more.
But I do remember hearing Mary Orlandra on the radio.
This is much earlier than than You're amazing. I'm going
(05:51):
to say that. I just remember listening to this stuff
and easily falling over the power of the notes. It
just bro me, absolutely not. And I tried to get
something like the same thing with the guitar cord many
years later. Operatic rock guitar. It's such a thing, were talkable.
(06:12):
I wanted to make it thing, and of course technology
allows you to do that. With the fanantics guitars with
the pain that pickups, they'll do that. You know, it's
nature and their VODI and the feet back on board
the guitar itself. You know.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
In Guitar World, and I'm going to quote Guitar World,
they said Steve Hackett's early explorations of two handed tapping
and sweep picking were far ahead of their time, and
they say that the influence ultimately went to people like
Eddie Van halend Alex Lifson and Brian May, among others.
(06:55):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's a great thing. They had the European Guitar
Awards fairly recently and they they gave me the award.
It was, it was in Holland. It was extraordinary and
a lot of these guys sent films congratulating me, which
was was marvelous.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I worked with Brian and met some of them, but
not all of them, and it was great. The guitarists
are so generous to say this sort of thing, but
you know, I'm very grateful to them all, you know,
because a lot of the time I think, you know,
(07:38):
we can beaver away in the dark and you come
up with something and you hope it's going to work,
and maybe a technique like tapping just kind of caught
the imagination of a lot of guitarists and they figured
it's a way of playing very very fast on one
string and then if you cannot from one or the other,
(07:58):
and I can do it in time, then you can
fire up his kind of machine gun rabbit fire thing.
It's it's it's the guttling gun of of guitar playings
that we're up, you know, spet Wallri.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I'm grateful to have had your mate Steve Howe on
a previous episode of this podcast, and one of the
things we discussed, you know, was his diversity of musical influences.
You celebrate a tremendous diversity as well of influences. Starting
(08:38):
I think with the blues, can you can you talk
about your diverse musical influences.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I remember being blues in the early nineteen sixties
when I was growing up and thinking, oh well, maybe
I could be something like that on harmonica, and I
used to play along the record like crazy, and even
he needs to emulate them at Gake just you can't
get it right, you know, absolutely rugged blues. I've got
(09:11):
enormous respects for harden Wolf and Muddy Waters and Little Water,
these guys, they were all great Michael players. And then
of course, you know the white version of that was
with personified and Deified by Paul Butterfield. He was so
(09:31):
absolutely brilliant and I saw his band, the Paul Butterfield
Blaue Band in the mid ninety sixties sixty six, and
Bloomfield was in the band Michael Bloomfield, Alvin Bishop Mark
Naplin on keyboard, my god, and I think it was
(09:52):
three guys who's been with Ali Wolf's band, Sam Lay
on drums, I believe, and the had been Jerome Manold
on bays. But it was absolutely spell binding. It was wonderful.
You know, I've been playing harmonica for years, and yet
I'd never heard the instruments sound anything like the rippling
(10:14):
sound that Butterfield had with that control and the vibrato
which which you could guy for it sounded like a
like a trumpet or like a guitar. It was just
this little tiny instrument that was being reinvented in front
of my my very eyes. So I have to say,
there's a lot of great bleed gigs, including Cream and
(10:39):
many others. Uh and and and of course the young
and wonderful uh Pete Green. Petere Green on guitar was
so enormously good with John Male's band. And so that's
that's some of them, you know, so many of them.
Sonny Boy Williamson, you know, harmonica player extordinaire. I absolutely
(11:05):
loved to believe. I thought I was going to be
a bleed guitarist harmonica player. But then, like so many
others who were aspiring towards that form. The bling Doom
really died on me at the end of the nineteen sixties,
just got so many others and the music was on
the term. It was about to change, and it was
going to absorb a number of guilty pleasures like classical
(11:27):
music and those who've been listening to Andrew Segovia and dah.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Where do you get your curiosity that is still you know,
a burning passion?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, I don't know where the burning passion comes from,
but it is still a passion that's still nuts about it.
Music ever really gave away. It's been a very good
friend to me. It's been rather extraordinary and there's always
surprising things that come up out of it. Something up.
(12:04):
I've get done a new album as well. I've done
a new studio album, and there's some stuff on that
that I absolutely love, and I hope I'm going to
be doing that some of that next year when we
come back with some of the Lamb Right Down and
Broadway stuff. I'm not going to do Lamb Light Down
in its entirety, but I'll do some tracks from it
(12:25):
and see what I think is the best, and we'll
take it from there with some new material as well.
It's so important to keep coming up with metaf I.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Have a couple of listener questions for you. First, Tom,
who's a major fan of your work from the Boston area.
He asks, you're carrying the Genesis torch. Is there any
animosity at all from Tony and Mike with regard to that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't think so. Something enough the bank said to me.
This was on the launch of Mike Runs a book.
He said, you're keeping the legacy alive. And I thought
he was going to steal them to me and say,
what are you doing that old stuff for? You know,
don't you do anything else? And he said, you're keeping
the legacy alive. So I think he's a strange contregation
(13:19):
in many ways, you know, but there was a compliment.
You know, you're keeping it alive. So hey, you know,
I'm doing it. I'm reinventing it and sometimes play it
with orchestras, many times play it with the band I have,
who are extraordinary. They say that, you know, the album
Fox Tilet City has gone to number two in the
(13:42):
rock charts in the UK. So all these years later,
that little old album we did in nineteen seventy two,
not only sprady the legs, but wings now and it's
and let's let's take it last as long as Beethoven.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Amen to that. No another question Bill from the Atlanta area.
He wanted me to ask you, what are some of
your favorite venues over your career that you've played in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, you know, I remember getting the Roxy Club in
la in nineteen seventy three when we were first brewing there,
and we did three nights, two shows a night, and
I still think they were some of the best shows
we ever did. Were beginning I think the Doctor Fox
Trot and quite a bit of swelling income by the town.
And I do remember that venue very very well and
(14:36):
felt very im there, very very very comfortable. So remember
doing that and from the broad Places to my garden
Mais Square Garden was amazing. We did that, if I
remember it correctly, we were be doing in nineteen seventy
seven and that was that was amazing, absolutely wonderful. So
(14:57):
there's been many many gigs up, cooking up the smallest
thing perhaps the biggest. Uh and and money money more.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I have to ask you, it's been heartbreaking to see
Phil Collins health deteriorate. How how is Phil from your perspective?
And how how are you guys getting getting it on
and getting along these days?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, I think that uh, you know, Sarah has given
his whole life to music and even before that the
film and stay in theater. Uh, you know, he was
the ought to judger in Ronald Broux Oliver. He was
as a child actor and singer. You have to remember,
(15:50):
you know, he was a veteran before he even with
his team, so it's his early stuff. So yes, it
is upbreaking the seam now at this stage of the game.
But you know he's given it his all. He's a
sweet guy and so proud to work with him. In Genesis.
(16:12):
He was full of great ideas and he was great inspiration,
full of energy. And I think that Genesis was was
lucky to have somebody who was not only a great drummer,
but a great singer and songwriter and arranger, all of
(16:34):
those things. You know, people often thought that it was
other people who did it, you know, the lead singer.
It's always the lead singer who invents everything people assume.
But in Genesis is full of it's full of great writers,
of good players and and much more. But you know,
Phil with with with with the league team really of
(16:56):
a genesis.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, lastly, I just want to ask you if somebody
were starting out a musical career who's listening to this, uh,
what sort of advice would you give them on mastering
the creative process As someone who has really mastered the
creative process.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, you know, I can't teach anyone how to write
a song because if the song really really works, but
it's like a world unto itself, if you come up
with a really good one that no one has quite
done in that way. But I think the only thing
that can grow anyone on it can love it it
to love what you're doing way really successful or if
(17:41):
it falls on death is it doesn't matter that. The
important thing is if you love it, then it will
never let you down. There will be no failure. You know.
The union is very broad. It will encompass you. And
I think if you see it as a game where
if you're always playing the tables or always playing the Instagram, lady,
(18:06):
luck will smile on you eventually. So I would say,
please don't play the pie and the course. Peter Gabriel,
thank you up.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I love it. Thank you for the joy you've certainly
given so many of the listeners of this podcast and
the joy that you've given me with your music, I'm
so grateful.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
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