September 17, 2025 • 23 mins
From time to time we love introducing you to podcasts we love. The Celebrity Jobber Podcast is hosted by Jeff Zito and on this episode Jeff speaks with musician/guitarist Gary Hoey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Taking a Walk.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm buzz night, and welcome to the Taking a Walk
podcast feed. Now we do from time to time like
sharing other podcasts that we like that we think you
might like, and we've shared some work with my friend
Jeff Zito before, who does a podcast called Celebrity Jobber.
On this episode of Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito, the
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great guitar player Gary Hoey joins Jeff, So check out
the episode right now.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
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a five star rating and leave a review. It's like
one big break change your life, and that is exactly
what happened to my guests this week.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Gary Hoey, he had a hit.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Song on the radio right when I first got into
the radio business in the mid nineties, was a cover
hocus Pocus from the band Focus. But like how he
got to this place is truly an incredible story that
we're gonna hear about shortly, and we'll talk about his
first jobs before he was even in the music business
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and some of the other jobs he has today. But
the story the big break Man, it's a pretty cool story.
He's guitarist Gary Hoey and my guest this week on Celebrity.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Jobber, The Celebrity Jobber Podcast with Jeff Zido. If you
like what you hear, please subscribe, give a five star rating,
and leave a review. Check out all our past episodes
on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you popped. What if
these celebrities weren't famous, what would they have become? What
was their first job? We're about to find out.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I guess I first heard of Gary Howey when I
was working at wynf in Sarasota, Florida. Maybe it was
hocus Pocus, which we you know, it was probably around
the mid nineties, ninety four, ninety five something like that
was when I first heard of you. And and all
these years later, still still rocking and rolling, brother.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Thank you man. I know it's crazy to think that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that was a song thirty years ago we put
it out, and somehow I've managed to stay in this
crazy business rocking and rolling it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Now let me let me start off by asking, Gary,
are you from a musical family?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You know, what's interesting should say that, I wouldn't say
so much like there wasn't like instruments laying around or anything.
But my mom was a big music fan. So my
mom was always playing records and singing in the kitchen,
cooking food and you know, and she grew up like dance,
you know, kind of dancing and doing different things kind
of in the entertainment sort of world. You know, like
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she did some ballet. She would do baton in the
parade and dance. And my mom was a kind of
a character, you know, an entertainer in her all right.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Right, So so what about mom and dad for for
actual jobs?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What did they do for a living growing up?
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, we grew up in a milltown, Law, Massachusetts. We
grew up, you know, in a pretty rough sort of town.
But my dad was actually a cab driver. He mostly
drove a cab. Then he started a roofing company where
him and him my brother did some roofing and stuff.
And my mom, my mom was a stay home mom.
My mom just raised six, six of us kids at
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the house as long as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Wow, that's a that's a big job. Six kids, six
how many how many boys? How many girls?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
We had?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well f four sisters and a brother. Four sisters and
a brother.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Wow, So tell me So Okay, so we grew He
grew up in mass in Lowell, which is, you know,
pretty blue collar town, pretty rough growing up. But what
was it about guitar? When did you get into guitar?
And what was it that got you interested in guitar?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know it was I mean I was a teenager
and music was a great thing for me because it
kind of saved me. It kind of grabbed me and
just gave me something to really focus on. And but
what happened was I wish I could say, you know,
Jimmy Hendricks, the Beatles came on, you know, at Sullivan Show.
But it was really one of my sisters was dating
a guy that played the guitar, and he came and
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sat at the kitchen table and just started playing like
three feet in front of me, and I was mesmerized.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I was cooked, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You got to teach me how to play the guitar,
you know, And I got real excited.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So what did you think growing up.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, so you start playing guitar because your sister's boyfriend
introduced you to it. But what did you think when
you were going to get older, when you were in
high school, did you think about college where you think about.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, what you were going to do for a living.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Did you automatically when you became introduced to the guitar,
did you know this is what your path was going
to be.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I did. Actually, I knew by the time I was
probably sixteen years old.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I knew that this is what I was going to
be doing for my life.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And I told my mom, I said, I want to
drop out of high school. I dropped out of high
school in the tenth grade and was in a band
and I went and got my ged and then just
started playing in bands, I said.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
And my mom was like, well, if.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You're going to get out of high school, I was
all I was doing was playing in bands.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
She's like, if you're going to leave school, you have
to make money. You know, you can't just be a bum.
That's what I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You're not floundering around this house, eating this food, just
having fun. You got to start making some money.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Sure money, So my mom, you know, I was a
guitar player, just playing, making hardly any money, bumbing.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Around my mom.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Literally, I said, some of my songs. My mom told
me when I was seventeen, She's like, you're out. You
need to go make a living and you need to
go see it out. So I left home when I
was seventeen and got a part time job and started.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Playing bands, and and that was it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Did you have a job other than playing guitar where
you're making money at some point, like maybe your first job?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I was? I was working. I mean I had the typical,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Paper route and all those kind of jobs. But I
remember working because I got We were living in a
you know, industrial you know, right on the river milltown,
and I worked in everything from shoe shops literally not
even lying, putting soles on the bottom of shoes, gluing
them on. Someone said, that's why I have I have
so much soul. And then I worked for Wayne Computers.
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I was doing on the line. I was doing like
computer boards and expecting circuit boards. And then I became
a supervisor. I'll never forget this. I became a supervisor,
and then I was playing guitar and I got a
chance to auditions for Ozzy Osbourne and they were going
to fly me to Los Angeles to try out for Ozzy.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Where were we in a time for here? Like about
what year are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
This was in the eighties, probably eighty, you know, eighty
six eighty seven. I went out to LA to try
out for Ozzy. So I was twenty six years old.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And how did you How did you find out Ozzie's
looking for a guitar? How did that whole thing happen?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was sitting home playing my guitar, the biggest fan
of Ozzy and I all of a sudden the radio
came on and I heard this British bumbling accent and
it was Ozzy on an interview in Boston BCN saying
I'm looking for a guitarist your kid, and.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Wow, no, I dialed the radio station. This is a
true story. I dialed the station. I still had a
fold with the curly cord on it, and I throw
it on the ground and I went.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And I started playing Ausie riffs over the phone, and
the guy on the phone said, there's somebody on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That wants the audition for Ozzie, And he sounds pretty good.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
You gotta be me. This is this is an insane story.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's a true story. And I gave them my information.
They gave me a number and an address, and I
sent a cassette tape. It was a cassette to Los
Angeles and it has some demos and me playing. And
I got a call two weeks later that was flying
you to Los Angeles to try out for Ozzy Osborne.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You gotta be kidding me. This is an unbelievable story.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So this basically happened with you just listening to the
radio one afternoon. Ozzie just happens to be on and
he says, I'm looking for a guitar player.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You called in, you got through.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You started playing riffs live on the air, and Ozzie
hears it and says, hey, I want you to fly
out to Los Angeles. I mean, so you fly out
to Los Angeles. Tell me what happens.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I fly out there and I get the auditioned songs
that I have to do. They let me know. I
get prepared. I fly out there and I get off
the plane. There's a guy waiting for me with my
name on a thing, and I get in. He's waiting
with a limousine outside. I've never been in a limo
of my life.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
It's like a movie, right, It's like a movie man.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And I'm in this limousine and I'm flying down Sunset Boulevard.
I've never seen California in my life, palm trees and everything.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And he's driving kind of fast.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We're whipping around the roads and I'm getting there and
I'm like, this is incredible. And I walk in and
there's a hallway with twenty guitar players all lined up
with long hair and leather jackets. It's a cattle call,
like they all look like me. And I'm like, this
is crazy. And I get to go in the room
and I actually play with Ozzy. He comes in the
room and we're playing I don't know and crazy trained
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and he's talking to me and I'm just in awe.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I'm just I can't even believe that I'm standing here.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And the amplifier they had me play through the Marshall
stacks were so loud. I'd never heard anything so loud
in my life. When I hit a chord, it almost
knocked me on the ground.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is right around the time that Zach Wild became
the guitarist of Ozzie.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I guess jump this and say you didn't get the gig.
But what happened from here.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well what happened was it turned out to change my
entire life because getting the audition with Ozzy and getting
to Hollywood and experiencing that and knowing I had talent.
You know, I knew I worked hard, I had talent
that Ozzy literally said to me if you don't get
the gig, because they called me back for a second day.
I came back a second day, so I knew they
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were taking a hard look at me.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And then I played again. And then the second day.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Ozzie said, if you get the giggle, you don't, you
need to move to Los Angeles. You need to come here.
And so I got home. I found out I didn't
get the gig. It was Zach Wild, which made total sense.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
He was perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But I came home and I sold everything I had
and I got into U haul and I drove across
the country to California. I listened to what Ozzie said,
and I went there and I found a manager and
I signed up Warner Brothers Records, and my career took off.
And I believe I owe it to Ozzy.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I believe that had to be.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's like when you ask somebody what their big break was, right,
and a lot of people will say, like, hey, you know,
gradually I worked up.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That happens a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, hard work pays off and gradually they make it.
In your circumstance, do you consider that whole situation, that
whole story had to be your big break?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I think it was my big break because I'm a
kid in a milltown in Lowell.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Who do I know in Los Angeles to get an
audition with a big gig. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't have a manager, I don't have a publicist,
I don't have anybody.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I just have my talent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And I had the balls to pick up the phone
and play over the phone. And I had the balls
to fly to Los Angeles and do the audition, which
was very scary, and it taught me a lot just
going through that experience. It aged me, you know by
doing it, because you learned so much.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You had the guitar in the amp hooked up and
ready to go just like you are right now.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I did. I had I had a practice amp, you know,
just sitting on the.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Floor and I have my guitar there, and you know,
I was always playing and just when I on the radio.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I don't even know what possessed me to call up.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And say, I'm just gonna play over the radio, right, I.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Mean, who would, I know, it's crazy. And I mean.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
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Speaker 3 (12:15):
If that never happened, Gary, I mean, you ever you
ever think about if you never picked up the phone
and you never called the radio station and played for
Ozzy on the radio. I mean, have you ever just
kind of like one day reflected back to your life
and some man, you know, if I didn't make that
call this, maybe I'd be in a local band or
just doing something completely different.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
At a very good point, I think there's a good
chance if I didn't pick up that phone that my
life would definitely not have taken the turn that it
did and the opportunities that came from it. And I
also think of the other side of the coin is
what if they said, guess what you are the new
guitarist for Ozzy.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Iye right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I also thought about that and how my life would
have changed if that had happened, And would I still
have had two kids living in the woods in New
Hampshire where my kids know who I am and my
wife knows who I am and we have amazing relationships.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Or would I be divorced and my kids would know
who I am? Yeah, I just wonder like where would
I be?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And I've thought about that and if I didn't pick
up the phone so much wouldn't have happened and taught
it taught me for the rest of my life. When
a moment comes where you can seize an opportunity and
you can put yourself out there, do it because the
worst that can happen is somebody says no, which could
still turn into an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
You know, I never really thought about that, And you know,
I was just having this conversation with somebody the other day,
like nobody owes you anything. You know, if you you
want something bad enough, you got to go out there
and get it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And you can. But don't be the guy that's like,
woe is me?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Nothing good ever happens to me when you're not ever
taking a chance and going outside of your comfort zone
to try to make your dream happen, which you tried
to do. It didn't work out with Ozzie, but it
did work out. He gave you the advice. He moved
to La. You did, and one by one all these
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things started happening.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's a great story, Gary, And I mean, like I said,
I started, you know, I started in my career back
in the early to mid nineties at a station called
wyn F in Sarasota, Florida. And I remember it was
the song hocus Pocus from Gary Howey that got me
familiar with You, which was an old cover of the
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Focus song.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Correct, Yes, it was.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
An old song by Focus.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And again that was just a vehicle for me to
let people hopefully hear what else I was doing. You know,
I wanted to do a great cover song and have
some fun and you know, and in life, I mean,
all the opportunities that we take. I tell my son
this now, who's playing in my band? You know, I
tell him when you're meeting, when you're out doing something,
you never know what opportunity are going to come. And
you got to keep yourself open in life to making
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relationships and connecting with people. And I tell them, when
you meet somebody, don't be afraid to say, hey, can
I get your phone number? Can we stay in touch?
You know, I'd love to stay in touch. And it
could be, it could be Brian Nathan Queen. You know,
it could be. It doesn't it doesn't matter. You can
still You're right.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Oh, it's important.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's it's so important, and I think it's a it's
a good lesson for for anybody, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Just uh, you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Never know who that person is that you run into,
you know, and I guess it goes back to another
you know, it goes back to the I don't know
if it's a saying or not, but don't be a dick.
You know in life, you know, you never know who
you're going to meet. You maintain good relationships with people
or you know, you definitely you have a chance. You
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never know who you're going to meet along the way.
And your story is definitely one that I'll never forget.
And still to this day, Gary, you're still you're still
touring full schedule.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You got a new music coming out. I understand, Yes, we.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Just released a new album Avalanche. Yeah, I'm still making
new music. I'm toying with my son. He's in my band. Now.
Life is really good, man. I'm you know, I'm still
feeding my kids on rock and roll and uh. You know,
I talk about taking chances and getting out there and
the relationships you you make with people are really what's
going to get you where you need to go, because
people want to hang out with people that they like,
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you know. But it's also you know, you have to
to survive in this business. You have to be diversified.
Like I'm a teacher, I'm a mentor, I'm a guitar player,
I'm a producer, I'm an engineer. You know, I'm a
a valet cars. I mean, I do whatever it takes
to feed my family. And and so I think in
any business, you gotta don't look at yourself as one dimensional.
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Find out other things that you're you're good at and uh,
and don't just look for a hand up for yourself,
give other people a hand up. I always love to
work with young musicians and mentor them and you know,
give them some help.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
So Gary, you're you're talking about all these other jobs
that you have still to this day with within the
music business. You're you're, you know, not only performing putting
out new albums, you're also a producer, an engineer. Tell
me about all the different jobs you have within the
music business.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I started messing with the
knobs and becoming an engineer many many years ago. People
would leave the studio and I would hang around with
you know, Thompson, Barbriero, Richie Zito, you know Tom, all
these amazing producers that I got to work with, and
I would hang around and ask them questions and try
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to learn about the tricks and the trade. And so
I ended up becoming a producer.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
I produced Leeda.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Ford's last record and just we just did another record together.
And I've worked with Ricky Lee Jones. I've worked with
Tom Waits, I've worked with Jewel, I've worked with so
many people. And and again, being in the studio with people,
you have to bring the best out of people as
a producer, So that's what I do. I'm good at
helping people to feel comfortable when they're in the studio.
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And when I'm not working, you know, sometimes I'm creating
for ESPN Sports. If I'm not on tour, I'm writing
for Disney. I have songs in several movies, Danny DeVito,
Decka Halls, Beethoven, The Dog Movie. And so I've survived
for thirty years by not just doing one thing. I'm
a pretty diverse person.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
On June eighteenth in Saint Petersburg, you're playing with Lou Graham,
the original lead singer of Foreigner. Lou Graham's All Stars.
That's going on at the Palladium in Saint Pete and
that's on June eighteenth. Tell me a little bit about
the Lou Graham's All Stars.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, it's great working with Lou. It's funny because I
love Fearner. I grew up on the music and thirty
years ago, when hocus Pocus came out, my first hit song,
I ended up opening up so Foreigner and the Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I was the opening band.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So I got to tour for sweets with Lou and
hang out and you know, get to hear him, and
we you know, we became kind of friends. You know,
we hung out and then I didn't see him for
a few years, and then we started doing some things
together with Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. Well, he would
come in as a guest, and then I did some
Cluises where he was on there. So we kept winning
into each other. And then my friend Tony Franklin plays
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bass for him The Fretless Monster, and called me one
day and said, Lou's looking for a guitar played to
Phil Infis and dates would you want to do it?
And I said, yeah, I would love to, and came
down and we really hit it off. And so Lou's
been using me for, you know, for most of the
shows at this point, and as much as I can do.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Man, new album is out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's called Avalanche Garyhoey dot com. That's Gary h o
e Y dot com. Find out more about where Gary's
performing his music. You could buy his new CD, Avalanche Gary.
I got to tell you, man, great story, and I
was so so glad to finally get a chance to
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talk to you after all these years. I know that
my old budd he's Stan and Haney used to have
you on their show all the time, but I never
had an opportunity to speak to you before, so I
was glad I finally got a chance to hook up
me too.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Man, I'm so glad that we did get to talk.
And yeah, Stan and Haney were really cool guys. Man,
so many years. I think your shows off the air
now right.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
It is just they just retired back in last August.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Well, legendary guys.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And a funny story is my mother lived in Fort
Myers and when I came down, I came to see
her and see them, and she made them a big
thing of lasagna with some salad and garlic bread, and
I brought it to them and then they talked about
that for ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Man. Yeah, they usually don't eat listener food, but I think, yeah,
your mother's cooking was a different story altogether.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So but great to chat with you, man.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I wish you were great summer and hopefully in the
fall I was some new holiday music.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Maybe we can chat again.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Awesome, Gary, thanks so much, man, you too, have a
great day.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Jeff, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Maybe not the most recognizable name, Gary Hoey, but you
see that big break hearing Ozzy on the radio in Boston,
he calls the station starts playing guitar on the phone.
Just so happens that Ozzie's looking for a guitar player.
They fly him out to la Unfortunately he doesn't get
the gig, but he said that experience changed his life
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because Ozzi said whether you get it or don't. You
got to move out here to Los Angeles. This is
where all the gigs are. So I kind of what
I took from that whole story is, you know, it
could have been a sad story, right, like, ah, I
didn't get the gig, but it wasn't a sad story.
Just because he didn't get the gig, it didn't end.
He did move to Los Angeles, doors did open, signed
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a record deal with Warner Brothers, had a hit song
on the radio, hocus Pocus. You know, it led to
not only a career of you know, music and performing
music live, but behind the scenes stuff. He's a producer
and he's worked with Leada Ford and Jewel and he
does some sound design projects and his written stuff for Disney.
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So you see how this whole thing did work out
for Gary Hoey. If you're in the Tampa Saint Pete area,
Gary performing with the original singer of Foreigner, Lou Graham
at the Palladium.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That's Wednesday, June eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
See if I can hit Gary up on Twitter, See
if he'll give me a pair of tickets to that gig.
Think I'd like to go. Talked about his first jobs
outside of music. He was resoling shoes, also inspected some
circuit boards for computers. Both those jobs don't sound very exciting,
so really glad that the whole music thing worked out
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for Gary Man.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
What a story.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
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is definitely one of the most exciting stories I've heard
in a long time. And even though he didn't get
the gig, you know, Zach Wilde got the gig for
Ozzy Osbourne, who by the way, is retiring June fifth,
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is very last gig in his hometown of Birmingham in
the UK. And Gary didn't get the gig, but it's
still worked out and still putting out new music and
performing and he has a lot to be proud of.
Gary Hoey everybody's got a story and got some great
celebs lined.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Up for the future.
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We'll get to hear their stories coming up right here
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Speaker 4 (23:48):
Thanks again for listening. I'm Jeff Zito.
Taking a Walk.
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a five star rating and leave a review. It's like
one big break change your life, and that is exactly
what happened to my guests this week.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Gary Hoey, he had a hit.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Song on the radio right when I first got into
the radio business in the mid nineties, was a cover
hocus Pocus from the band Focus. But like how he
got to this place is truly an incredible story that
we're gonna hear about shortly, and we'll talk about his
first jobs before he was even in the music business
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and some of the other jobs he has today. But
the story the big break Man, it's a pretty cool story.
He's guitarist Gary Hoey and my guest this week on Celebrity.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Jobber, The Celebrity Jobber Podcast with Jeff Zido. If you
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these celebrities weren't famous, what would they have become? What
was their first job? We're about to find out.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I guess I first heard of Gary Howey when I
was working at wynf in Sarasota, Florida. Maybe it was
hocus Pocus, which we you know, it was probably around
the mid nineties, ninety four, ninety five something like that
was when I first heard of you. And and all
these years later, still still rocking and rolling, brother.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Thank you man. I know it's crazy to think that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that was a song thirty years ago we put
it out, and somehow I've managed to stay in this
crazy business rocking and rolling it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Now let me let me start off by asking, Gary,
are you from a musical family?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You know, what's interesting should say that, I wouldn't say
so much like there wasn't like instruments laying around or anything.
But my mom was a big music fan. So my
mom was always playing records and singing in the kitchen,
cooking food and you know, and she grew up like dance,
you know, kind of dancing and doing different things kind
of in the entertainment sort of world. You know, like
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she did some ballet. She would do baton in the
parade and dance. And my mom was a kind of
a character, you know, an entertainer in her all right.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Right, So so what about mom and dad for for
actual jobs?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What did they do for a living growing up?
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, we grew up in a milltown, Law, Massachusetts. We
grew up, you know, in a pretty rough sort of town.
But my dad was actually a cab driver. He mostly
drove a cab. Then he started a roofing company where
him and him my brother did some roofing and stuff.
And my mom, my mom was a stay home mom.
My mom just raised six, six of us kids at
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the house as long as I can remember.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Wow, that's a that's a big job. Six kids, six
how many how many boys? How many girls?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
We had?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well f four sisters and a brother. Four sisters and
a brother.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Wow, So tell me So Okay, so we grew He
grew up in mass in Lowell, which is, you know,
pretty blue collar town, pretty rough growing up. But what
was it about guitar? When did you get into guitar?
And what was it that got you interested in guitar?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know it was I mean I was a teenager
and music was a great thing for me because it
kind of saved me. It kind of grabbed me and
just gave me something to really focus on. And but
what happened was I wish I could say, you know,
Jimmy Hendricks, the Beatles came on, you know, at Sullivan Show.
But it was really one of my sisters was dating
a guy that played the guitar, and he came and
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sat at the kitchen table and just started playing like
three feet in front of me, and I was mesmerized.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I was cooked, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You got to teach me how to play the guitar,
you know, And I got real excited.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So what did you think growing up.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, so you start playing guitar because your sister's boyfriend
introduced you to it. But what did you think when
you were going to get older, when you were in
high school, did you think about college where you think about.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, what you were going to do for a living.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Did you automatically when you became introduced to the guitar,
did you know this is what your path was going
to be.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I did. Actually, I knew by the time I was
probably sixteen years old.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I knew that this is what I was going to
be doing for my life.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And I told my mom, I said, I want to
drop out of high school. I dropped out of high
school in the tenth grade and was in a band
and I went and got my ged and then just
started playing in bands, I said.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
And my mom was like, well, if.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You're going to get out of high school, I was
all I was doing was playing in bands.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
She's like, if you're going to leave school, you have
to make money. You know, you can't just be a bum.
That's what I remember.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You're not floundering around this house, eating this food, just
having fun. You got to start making some money.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Sure money, So my mom, you know, I was a
guitar player, just playing, making hardly any money, bumbing.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Around my mom.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Literally, I said, some of my songs. My mom told
me when I was seventeen, She's like, you're out. You
need to go make a living and you need to
go see it out. So I left home when I
was seventeen and got a part time job and started.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Playing bands, and and that was it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Did you have a job other than playing guitar where
you're making money at some point, like maybe your first job?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I was? I was working. I mean I had the typical,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Paper route and all those kind of jobs. But I
remember working because I got We were living in a
you know, industrial you know, right on the river milltown,
and I worked in everything from shoe shops literally not
even lying, putting soles on the bottom of shoes, gluing
them on. Someone said, that's why I have I have
so much soul. And then I worked for Wayne Computers.
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I was doing on the line. I was doing like
computer boards and expecting circuit boards. And then I became
a supervisor. I'll never forget this. I became a supervisor,
and then I was playing guitar and I got a
chance to auditions for Ozzy Osbourne and they were going
to fly me to Los Angeles to try out for Ozzy.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Where were we in a time for here? Like about
what year are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
This was in the eighties, probably eighty, you know, eighty
six eighty seven. I went out to LA to try
out for Ozzy. So I was twenty six years old.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And how did you How did you find out Ozzie's
looking for a guitar? How did that whole thing happen?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I was sitting home playing my guitar, the biggest fan
of Ozzy and I all of a sudden the radio
came on and I heard this British bumbling accent and
it was Ozzy on an interview in Boston BCN saying
I'm looking for a guitarist your kid, and.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Wow, no, I dialed the radio station. This is a
true story. I dialed the station. I still had a
fold with the curly cord on it, and I throw
it on the ground and I went.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And I started playing Ausie riffs over the phone, and
the guy on the phone said, there's somebody on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That wants the audition for Ozzie, And he sounds pretty good.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
You gotta be me. This is this is an insane story.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's a true story. And I gave them my information.
They gave me a number and an address, and I
sent a cassette tape. It was a cassette to Los
Angeles and it has some demos and me playing. And
I got a call two weeks later that was flying
you to Los Angeles to try out for Ozzy Osborne.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You gotta be kidding me. This is an unbelievable story.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So this basically happened with you just listening to the
radio one afternoon. Ozzie just happens to be on and
he says, I'm looking for a guitar player.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You called in, you got through.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You started playing riffs live on the air, and Ozzie
hears it and says, hey, I want you to fly
out to Los Angeles. I mean, so you fly out
to Los Angeles. Tell me what happens.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I fly out there and I get the auditioned songs
that I have to do. They let me know. I
get prepared. I fly out there and I get off
the plane. There's a guy waiting for me with my
name on a thing, and I get in. He's waiting
with a limousine outside. I've never been in a limo
of my life.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
It's like a movie, right, It's like a movie man.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And I'm in this limousine and I'm flying down Sunset Boulevard.
I've never seen California in my life, palm trees and everything.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
And he's driving kind of fast.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We're whipping around the roads and I'm getting there and
I'm like, this is incredible. And I walk in and
there's a hallway with twenty guitar players all lined up
with long hair and leather jackets. It's a cattle call,
like they all look like me. And I'm like, this
is crazy. And I get to go in the room
and I actually play with Ozzy. He comes in the
room and we're playing I don't know and crazy trained
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and he's talking to me and I'm just in awe.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I'm just I can't even believe that I'm standing here.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And the amplifier they had me play through the Marshall
stacks were so loud. I'd never heard anything so loud
in my life. When I hit a chord, it almost
knocked me on the ground.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is right around the time that Zach Wild became
the guitarist of Ozzie.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I guess jump this and say you didn't get the gig.
But what happened from here.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well what happened was it turned out to change my
entire life because getting the audition with Ozzy and getting
to Hollywood and experiencing that and knowing I had talent.
You know, I knew I worked hard, I had talent
that Ozzy literally said to me if you don't get
the gig, because they called me back for a second day.
I came back a second day, so I knew they
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were taking a hard look at me.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And then I played again. And then the second day.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Ozzie said, if you get the giggle, you don't, you
need to move to Los Angeles. You need to come here.
And so I got home. I found out I didn't
get the gig. It was Zach Wild, which made total sense.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
He was perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But I came home and I sold everything I had
and I got into U haul and I drove across
the country to California. I listened to what Ozzie said,
and I went there and I found a manager and
I signed up Warner Brothers Records, and my career took off.
And I believe I owe it to Ozzy.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I believe that had to be.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's like when you ask somebody what their big break was, right,
and a lot of people will say, like, hey, you know,
gradually I worked up.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
That happens a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, hard work pays off and gradually they make it.
In your circumstance, do you consider that whole situation, that
whole story had to be your big break?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I think it was my big break because I'm a
kid in a milltown in Lowell.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Who do I know in Los Angeles to get an
audition with a big gig. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't have a manager, I don't have a publicist,
I don't have anybody.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I just have my talent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And I had the balls to pick up the phone
and play over the phone. And I had the balls
to fly to Los Angeles and do the audition, which
was very scary, and it taught me a lot just
going through that experience. It aged me, you know by
doing it, because you learned so much.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You had the guitar in the amp hooked up and
ready to go just like you are right now.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I did. I had I had a practice amp, you know,
just sitting on the.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Floor and I have my guitar there, and you know,
I was always playing and just when I on the radio.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I don't even know what possessed me to call up.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And say, I'm just gonna play over the radio, right, I.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Mean, who would, I know, it's crazy. And I mean.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
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Speaker 3 (12:15):
If that never happened, Gary, I mean, you ever you
ever think about if you never picked up the phone
and you never called the radio station and played for
Ozzy on the radio. I mean, have you ever just
kind of like one day reflected back to your life
and some man, you know, if I didn't make that
call this, maybe I'd be in a local band or
just doing something completely different.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
At a very good point, I think there's a good
chance if I didn't pick up that phone that my
life would definitely not have taken the turn that it
did and the opportunities that came from it. And I
also think of the other side of the coin is
what if they said, guess what you are the new
guitarist for Ozzy.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Iye right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I also thought about that and how my life would
have changed if that had happened, And would I still
have had two kids living in the woods in New
Hampshire where my kids know who I am and my
wife knows who I am and we have amazing relationships.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Or would I be divorced and my kids would know
who I am? Yeah, I just wonder like where would
I be?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And I've thought about that and if I didn't pick
up the phone so much wouldn't have happened and taught
it taught me for the rest of my life. When
a moment comes where you can seize an opportunity and
you can put yourself out there, do it because the
worst that can happen is somebody says no, which could
still turn into an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
You know, I never really thought about that, And you know,
I was just having this conversation with somebody the other day,
like nobody owes you anything. You know, if you you
want something bad enough, you got to go out there
and get it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And you can. But don't be the guy that's like,
woe is me?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Nothing good ever happens to me when you're not ever
taking a chance and going outside of your comfort zone
to try to make your dream happen, which you tried
to do. It didn't work out with Ozzie, but it
did work out. He gave you the advice. He moved
to La. You did, and one by one all these
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things started happening.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's a great story, Gary, And I mean, like I said,
I started, you know, I started in my career back
in the early to mid nineties at a station called
wyn F in Sarasota, Florida. And I remember it was
the song hocus Pocus from Gary Howey that got me
familiar with You, which was an old cover of the
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Focus song.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Correct, Yes, it was.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
An old song by Focus.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And again that was just a vehicle for me to
let people hopefully hear what else I was doing. You know,
I wanted to do a great cover song and have
some fun and you know, and in life, I mean,
all the opportunities that we take. I tell my son
this now, who's playing in my band? You know, I
tell him when you're meeting, when you're out doing something,
you never know what opportunity are going to come. And
you got to keep yourself open in life to making
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relationships and connecting with people. And I tell them, when
you meet somebody, don't be afraid to say, hey, can
I get your phone number? Can we stay in touch?
You know, I'd love to stay in touch. And it
could be, it could be Brian Nathan Queen. You know,
it could be. It doesn't it doesn't matter. You can
still You're right.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Oh, it's important.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's it's so important, and I think it's a it's
a good lesson for for anybody, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Just uh, you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Never know who that person is that you run into,
you know, and I guess it goes back to another
you know, it goes back to the I don't know
if it's a saying or not, but don't be a dick.
You know in life, you know, you never know who
you're going to meet. You maintain good relationships with people
or you know, you definitely you have a chance. You
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never know who you're going to meet along the way.
And your story is definitely one that I'll never forget.
And still to this day, Gary, you're still you're still
touring full schedule.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You got a new music coming out. I understand, Yes, we.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Just released a new album Avalanche. Yeah, I'm still making
new music. I'm toying with my son. He's in my band. Now.
Life is really good, man. I'm you know, I'm still
feeding my kids on rock and roll and uh. You know,
I talk about taking chances and getting out there and
the relationships you you make with people are really what's
going to get you where you need to go, because
people want to hang out with people that they like,
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you know. But it's also you know, you have to
to survive in this business. You have to be diversified.
Like I'm a teacher, I'm a mentor, I'm a guitar player,
I'm a producer, I'm an engineer. You know, I'm a
a valet cars. I mean, I do whatever it takes
to feed my family. And and so I think in
any business, you gotta don't look at yourself as one dimensional.
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Find out other things that you're you're good at and uh,
and don't just look for a hand up for yourself,
give other people a hand up. I always love to
work with young musicians and mentor them and you know,
give them some help.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
So Gary, you're you're talking about all these other jobs
that you have still to this day with within the
music business. You're you're, you know, not only performing putting
out new albums, you're also a producer, an engineer. Tell
me about all the different jobs you have within the
music business.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I started messing with the
knobs and becoming an engineer many many years ago. People
would leave the studio and I would hang around with
you know, Thompson, Barbriero, Richie Zito, you know Tom, all
these amazing producers that I got to work with, and
I would hang around and ask them questions and try
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to learn about the tricks and the trade. And so
I ended up becoming a producer.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
I produced Leeda.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Ford's last record and just we just did another record together.
And I've worked with Ricky Lee Jones. I've worked with
Tom Waits, I've worked with Jewel, I've worked with so
many people. And and again, being in the studio with people,
you have to bring the best out of people as
a producer, So that's what I do. I'm good at
helping people to feel comfortable when they're in the studio.
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And when I'm not working, you know, sometimes I'm creating
for ESPN Sports. If I'm not on tour, I'm writing
for Disney. I have songs in several movies, Danny DeVito,
Decka Halls, Beethoven, The Dog Movie. And so I've survived
for thirty years by not just doing one thing. I'm
a pretty diverse person.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
On June eighteenth in Saint Petersburg, you're playing with Lou Graham,
the original lead singer of Foreigner. Lou Graham's All Stars.
That's going on at the Palladium in Saint Pete and
that's on June eighteenth. Tell me a little bit about
the Lou Graham's All Stars.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, it's great working with Lou. It's funny because I
love Fearner. I grew up on the music and thirty
years ago, when hocus Pocus came out, my first hit song,
I ended up opening up so Foreigner and the Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I was the opening band.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So I got to tour for sweets with Lou and
hang out and you know, get to hear him, and
we you know, we became kind of friends. You know,
we hung out and then I didn't see him for
a few years, and then we started doing some things
together with Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. Well, he would
come in as a guest, and then I did some
Cluises where he was on there. So we kept winning
into each other. And then my friend Tony Franklin plays
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bass for him The Fretless Monster, and called me one
day and said, Lou's looking for a guitar played to
Phil Infis and dates would you want to do it?
And I said, yeah, I would love to, and came
down and we really hit it off. And so Lou's
been using me for, you know, for most of the
shows at this point, and as much as I can do.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Man, new album is out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's called Avalanche Garyhoey dot com. That's Gary h o
e Y dot com. Find out more about where Gary's
performing his music. You could buy his new CD, Avalanche Gary.
I got to tell you, man, great story, and I
was so so glad to finally get a chance to
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talk to you after all these years. I know that
my old budd he's Stan and Haney used to have
you on their show all the time, but I never
had an opportunity to speak to you before, so I
was glad I finally got a chance to hook up
me too.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Man, I'm so glad that we did get to talk.
And yeah, Stan and Haney were really cool guys. Man,
so many years. I think your shows off the air
now right.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
It is just they just retired back in last August.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Well, legendary guys.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And a funny story is my mother lived in Fort
Myers and when I came down, I came to see
her and see them, and she made them a big
thing of lasagna with some salad and garlic bread, and
I brought it to them and then they talked about
that for ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Man. Yeah, they usually don't eat listener food, but I think, yeah,
your mother's cooking was a different story altogether.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So but great to chat with you, man.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I wish you were great summer and hopefully in the
fall I was some new holiday music.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Maybe we can chat again.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Awesome, Gary, thanks so much, man, you too, have a
great day.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Jeff, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Maybe not the most recognizable name, Gary Hoey, but you
see that big break hearing Ozzy on the radio in Boston,
he calls the station starts playing guitar on the phone.
Just so happens that Ozzie's looking for a guitar player.
They fly him out to la Unfortunately he doesn't get
the gig, but he said that experience changed his life
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because Ozzi said whether you get it or don't. You
got to move out here to Los Angeles. This is
where all the gigs are. So I kind of what
I took from that whole story is, you know, it
could have been a sad story, right, like, ah, I
didn't get the gig, but it wasn't a sad story.
Just because he didn't get the gig, it didn't end.
He did move to Los Angeles, doors did open, signed
(21:40):
a record deal with Warner Brothers, had a hit song
on the radio, hocus Pocus. You know, it led to
not only a career of you know, music and performing
music live, but behind the scenes stuff. He's a producer
and he's worked with Leada Ford and Jewel and he
does some sound design projects and his written stuff for Disney.
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So you see how this whole thing did work out
for Gary Hoey. If you're in the Tampa Saint Pete area,
Gary performing with the original singer of Foreigner, Lou Graham
at the Palladium.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That's Wednesday, June eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
See if I can hit Gary up on Twitter, See
if he'll give me a pair of tickets to that gig.
Think I'd like to go. Talked about his first jobs
outside of music. He was resoling shoes, also inspected some
circuit boards for computers. Both those jobs don't sound very exciting,
so really glad that the whole music thing worked out
(22:36):
for Gary Man.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
What a story.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Thank you so much for checking out another episode of
the Celebrity Jobber podcast streaming on Spotify, Apple podcast wherever
you listen to podcasts, Please subscribe with love a five
star rating and leave a review. You can check out
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(23:04):
at YouTube dot com, slash the ad Signed Celebrity Jobber
or on ig Celebrity Underscore Job or Underscore Podcast. This
is definitely one of the most exciting stories I've heard
in a long time. And even though he didn't get
the gig, you know, Zach Wilde got the gig for
Ozzy Osbourne, who by the way, is retiring June fifth,
(23:26):
is very last gig in his hometown of Birmingham in
the UK. And Gary didn't get the gig, but it's
still worked out and still putting out new music and
performing and he has a lot to be proud of.
Gary Hoey everybody's got a story and got some great
celebs lined.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Up for the future.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
We'll get to hear their stories coming up right here
on the Celebrity Jobber Podcast.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Thanks again for listening. I'm Jeff Zito.
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