June 27, 2025 • 17 mins
We are proud to welcome The Professor of Rock-Adam Reader to our show. We discuss the great new documentary, "Becoming Led Zeppelin" , and we compare nights on one of the mightiest bands in the land, and talk about one of the great documentaries in Music History. Check out Adam's amazing work here. https://www.professorofrock.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Taking a walk. When you know you've got something, go
for it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Keep going because we all worry about what other people think.
But if you know in your heart there's something great,
you keep going moving forward. And that was a great
lesson to me.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Well, welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast and we
have Adam reed Or, the Professor of Rock. We are
going to break down the amazing led Zeppelin documentary. But
before we get started at him, you know, since the
podcast is called taking a Walk, I do want to
ask you, could you tell me if there was someone
you could take.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
A walk with, living or dead, who would you like
to take a walk with?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And where might you want to walk with them?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, thinking about it, there's three names that come up,
and I'll choose one of the three.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But the three of them meily come to mind are
Dan Fogelberg, Prince, and Elvis Presley.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Then Frank Sinatra just came into my head. But you know,
I love Dan Fogelberg and that's a dream interview. Prince
is just so interesting. But I think I think I
would have to go with Elvis.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'd have to go with the King.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Because and I think I would take a walk with
him honestly on the grounds of Graceland. I've been there
many times, and I've interviewed Mark Cohane about walking to
Memphis and so, I you know, I just think that
it's a special place, a sacred place. When I went
actually spent a few months in Memphis, Tennessee a long
(01:31):
time ago, when I was doing totally different things.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was traveling for.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Business and I was opening up a business center there,
and so spent a few months there, and I mean
every week I was at Graceland and Bill Street. But
you know, it was It's an incredible place. But I
just think Elvis is so fascinating. I would love to
just pick his brain and hear his his take on
(01:59):
It's interesting. We're very blessed to be able to do
what we do buzz, you know, to be able to
talk about music and talk to some of these heroes
of ours people have written some of the great songs
of all time. Elvis. I always find when I'm interviewing
somebody like like a Lamont Dozer from Hollandozer Holland or somebody,
(02:20):
you know, Henry Dilts, the great photographer.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I interviewed him a few weeks ago. He was an.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Official photographer of Woodstock and took so many great photos
at Laurel Canyon. Sometimes you feel like you're interviewing somebody
and it's like you know, or like Brian Wilson the
Washington Monument, you're like sitting down with the Washington Monument.
There's so much history there. And to me, I'm fascinated
by the early early rock and roll fifties and sixties,
(02:45):
when when it was barely registering with people and they said, oh,
it's a flash in the pan, it'll never last. And
Elvis was right there. I mean, he's the one that
started that fire, along with you know, Chuck Berry and
Little Richard and so to me that would be, uh,
that would be a treat to be able to really
(03:05):
the magic of his voice and and.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And just what he created.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And as we're going to talk about led Zeppelin and
Becoming led Zeppelin, the Great documentary, you know, there's no
doubt for so many of the Brits, you know, the
road started with people like Elvis, right that really it
really just began there, and uh, it still is a
great starting point to you know, talking about Elvis.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So Robert Plant talked about Little Richard, you know, on
the documentary, and of course in the interview with David Letterman.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He talked about the King. Of course, the King, you know,
he threw that out there, so you.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Know, yeah, that's that's that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So what stood out to you most about the approach
that they took for becoming led Zeppelin compared to other
documentaries you know that you've seen, whether about Zeppelin or
just in general documentaries.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I I loved the origin story. I mean I start
off every interview I've ever done with that an origin
question about you know, what was the moment that kicked
open the door to your mind and made you want
to pursue music like that moment, like where everything changed
for you? And I love to know about people's history
because I mean, the origin story is so important. I mean,
(04:25):
if comic book movies are any indication.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean they're hitting.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You know, they were ruled the box office for for
a decade, and it's always the origin story.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Why did spider Man? How did Spider Man become Spider Man?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And and what what motivated that Batman? That kind of thing,
And I think the same thing with artists, you know,
what what was it? And I love how Robert Plant,
John Paul Jones, and Jimmy Page.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It was just so cool to feel like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You had him in your living room there and then
telling about what started out, you know, and Jimmy Jimmy
Page talk about he always had a guitar in his hand,
and you know, he took it to school and they'd
take it away from him. And when he would go
into school and his dad kind of said, okay, well
I'll support you, but you make sure you keep your
grades up, you know. And it was just great to
(05:15):
to I was fascinated by that. And then of course
to get you know, John Bonham, to get Bonzo, to
get that that interview that had never been.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Shared, and it was really a treat to watch Robert.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Plant and well all of them, you know, just listening
to John Bonham and smiling, and I thought that was
a really cool approach. And the origin story just took
him from there and then how they all met and
and you got to see that, you know, Robert Plant talked.
You could see the pain in his face. He went
through some hard times. He was homeless, you know, he
(05:50):
was he had a little suitcase he'd carry around, and
he had some tough times.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Trying to figure out what he was going to do,
who he was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And we all look at these guys as rock gods
and we don't see them as human, and when we
see them in human it makes them even more precious touffs.
At least it does to me, because they come.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Down to that level.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, you know, I know we shouldn't worship that
type of thing, but you know, as a little kid,
when you see led Zeppelin, the golden gods of rock,
up there on the stage, you hear those records, it's mystical,
it's magical, it's like a it's almost indescribable, you know.
And then you see them and then they come down
(06:33):
in their mere mortals. You would think that that would
take something away, but it doesn't. For me, it strengthens
that bond.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I think I loved how there really was no external commentary.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It was really just the band members themselves.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
How do you think that choice that they made in
creating the documentary impacts us as viewers and our connection
to the story.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Because I think that they're holding us by the hand
and tanking gets along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I love that too. I love that aspect. There
was no voice over.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There was no Okay, now we're going to give you
some exposition here, and we're going to take you to
the next here, you know, here's this year.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And I loved how they let the music also.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Breathe life into it, where you'd see a live performance,
and they'd let the live performance go on, where you'd
see the full performance, and then you also see what
was going on in those years, which was impacting Zeppelins music,
and Zeppelin was impacting what was going on. And I
love that too, with that aspect of it, you know,
And I would have given it a perfect ten.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The only thing that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I didn't like about it is I feel like there
was a huge missed opportunity at the end. And we
learned this from a Star Wars trilogy. How could you
not bring the characters together at the end, you know,
and let them be in the room. It would have
been so perfect to end with Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones,
Robert Plant sitting together in that room where you know,
(08:03):
it looked like even they were being interviewed in the
same room, some of them, but at least that John
Paul Jones or Robert Plant looked like the same room
to me. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it would have been
great to have them sitting in that like kind of
den together, listening to John Bonham and them kind of together,
the four of them one last time and and give
give the last word.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Uh. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I like how Jimmy Page had the last word because
it was his band, he started it. But it would
have been cool to see that that's my only that's
my only hiccup.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I wondered the same thing, and I wondered whether it
was too painful in a way for them to go
through that in terms of the ride that would have
taken them on emotionally. But I definitely had that same feeling,
and I wish it went you know, I wish the
whole thing went on further further down the road, you know,
like a good tease of an interview, which you're so
(08:58):
great at, Uh, you leave people wanting more.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think they left us wanting more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Definitely, I would love to see you know, I mean,
who doesn't want to hear their take on Steroid to Heaven,
even though Robert Plan doesn't want to talk about it
really from other interviews, but it would have been great
to see, you know, for example, my I mean, my
favorite song of all time by Zeppelin is ten years gone,
and I would love to have heard their take on
(09:26):
that immigrant song and so on and so forth. And
I loved how you got little stories behind the songs.
But yeah, it seemed like Zeppel one and two and
they left us. But maybe there'll be a sequel. We
can only hope.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I love how Jimmy Page talked about his specific decision
to steer Zeppelin away from mainstream singles, you know, toward
these more ambitious albums. How in your mind, how pivotal
do you think that the vision was in shaping the
band's legacy.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, it was monumental because.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I remember there was a part where Jimmy Page talked
about that he saw the future in America. They were
playing full sides of albums, you know, they were trying
to push him for a cut for AM radio Pop radio,
and he could see where the future was going with
with FM and with them playing entire sides of albums,
and that's where.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
He wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I think that they influenced everybody came after, I mean,
Pink Floyd and you know, the great albums.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I always say that the sixties to me are the greatest,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I've been doing this project for like the last six months,
where every Saturday I camped down the top ten, or
in my case, I've been doing eleven songs because it's
so difficult for every year in music from so far,
I've done nineteen sixty four to about nineteen eighty nine,
and I planned to probably do a few few years
from the nineties in the fifties, but it is so
(11:03):
hard because in the sixties is impossible, because you go
from sixty five to sixty nine and there's fifty songs
that could be in the top ten easy. So to me,
the sixties are the greatest, and nothing comes close as
far as singles go, you know, their own individual songs.
But when you get in the seventies, I think the
seventies are the greatest decade by far for albums, for
(11:27):
a full picture and thematically, you know, and Zeppelin certainly
had that, and Eagles followed that, and a lot of
bands in the seventies who were trying to create full albums,
full experiences. We're missing that, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
In the New Age. That's a bit of a lost art.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The album is going away in some ways, it is
coming back in some ways with vinyl being so exciting
for younger people. So there's no question that Zeppelin had
a massive impact on that. And they were writing, they
were looking at as a as a full album. They
were They're never a band that was sitting down and saying,
all right, what's going to be the leadoff single?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What's going to be the second single?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And and that's the mentality that we all have, I
mean that the record executives have, and that that most
artists have is how were we going to I mean
today it's about grabbing them that first five seconds. That
was never on their mind. They were it was art
first and commerce came a distant second.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The filmmakers mentioned that there's a bit of a message
in the doc about following your passion and not listening
to naysayers. How do you think that theme resonates with
musicians and the general broad audience.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We we live in a time where.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Social media has taken over and a lot of these
younger kids are.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
In some ways are there's there. Their value of.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Themselves is tied to likes and comments. And I can
understand that as a having a YouTube channel. You know,
if I'm having a bad day, on YouTube where it's
not resonating. You know, I'm beating myself up, like maybe
I shouldn't this or whatever. You can't worry about what
others think of you if you know you've got something.
(13:22):
There was an artist that taught me something really incredible.
Kenny Loggins. Actually, Kenny Loggins was telling a story about
how he and Michael McDonald had just written what a
Fool Beliefs, huge hit for the Dewbie Brothers. Of course,
you know, one record of the year, and it was
a number one hit and massive, and so they really
had a great connection as writers. So Kenny wrote Whenever
(13:44):
I Call You Friend, and he thought this is man,
I think this is a great song. And he took
it to Michael McDonald. Is their next song to do together?
And he said, man, I think we should do this
next one together. And Michael McDonald listened to it and
he said, nah, I don't hear it. I don't care
for it. I don't think it's a great song. Kenny's
like what And so Kenny Stevie Nix at the time
(14:07):
he used tour with her. She said let's do adet together,
and he said, let's do this song and she loved it,
and they recorded and it became his first massive solo hit,
and he said, you know, my lesson from that is
when you know you've got something, go for it. Keep
going because we all worry about what other people think.
But if you know in your heart does something great,
(14:27):
you keep going moving forward. And that was a great
lesson to me that you know we got to do.
And I think Zeppelin's a great example of that. I mean,
they have their struggles, you know, it shows that. That's
what I love about this documentary is that shows all
of their ups and downs getting to the point where
they were the greatest man of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
After watching Becoming Led Zeppelin, did you come away with
any new insights or questions that you would like to
explore further in your own work.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Gosh, I probably haven't had enough time to reflect on
it because I just barely watched it last night.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I've been so crazy busy the last few months.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But yeah, I think I love their example of they
were creating without worrying about what an audience wanted. And
I think sometimes as a podcaster, as an interviewer, as
content creators, I guess is what they call it now,
(15:27):
Sometimes we're worried about really tying it into your last
question what others are thinking, or maybe I should cover
this because it's the popular thing and forego our own
ideas of what our heart is telling us a direction
to go. And I think that Zeppelin's a great example
of you follow your heart and your passions. And a
(15:48):
couple of days ago, you know, my son, I've got
a seventeen year old and he had a bunch of
friends over here.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We're putting together a puzzle of.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Rock albums, and we were talking about music, and I
was showing them different songs that they weren't aware of.
Either are like, what's this album? And they said, oh,
it's you know, it's General Tall And I showed them
or Jefferson Airplane, and I was showing them different things
and they never heard it, and their mine was being
blown and I thought, this is so fun, so to
share something new with these kids that they've never heard
(16:18):
that they're like, wow, how did they how did what.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Instrument is that? And how did they do this?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And and I thought, I need to get back to
that a little bit more of I'm not worrying so
much about I got to do a video that's gonna
get you know, that's gonna get clicks or views. It's
about creating something that that resonates and and I think
for the most part I do that. But it is
a good reminder that we need to follow our heart.
(16:46):
We need to follow where the mus is taking as
as opposed to what you know, the marketing plan is.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
It's great advice for all of us, great advice for me.
I couldn't agree more. Highly recommend Becoming led Zeppelin a
great documentary, and I highly recommend you check out The
Professor of Rock because it's chock full of behind the
scenes stories with some of the greats from the music business.
(17:17):
So Adam, thank you for being on Taking a Walk Buzz,
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I appreciate it, love it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
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Walk Podcast.
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for it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Keep going because we all worry about what other people think.
But if you know in your heart there's something great,
you keep going moving forward. And that was a great
lesson to me.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Well, welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast and we
have Adam reed Or, the Professor of Rock. We are
going to break down the amazing led Zeppelin documentary. But
before we get started at him, you know, since the
podcast is called taking a Walk, I do want to
ask you, could you tell me if there was someone
you could take.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
A walk with, living or dead, who would you like
to take a walk with?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And where might you want to walk with them?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, thinking about it, there's three names that come up,
and I'll choose one of the three.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But the three of them meily come to mind are
Dan Fogelberg, Prince, and Elvis Presley.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Then Frank Sinatra just came into my head. But you know,
I love Dan Fogelberg and that's a dream interview. Prince
is just so interesting. But I think I think I
would have to go with Elvis.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'd have to go with the King.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Because and I think I would take a walk with
him honestly on the grounds of Graceland. I've been there
many times, and I've interviewed Mark Cohane about walking to
Memphis and so, I you know, I just think that
it's a special place, a sacred place. When I went
actually spent a few months in Memphis, Tennessee a long
(01:31):
time ago, when I was doing totally different things.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was traveling for.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Business and I was opening up a business center there,
and so spent a few months there, and I mean
every week I was at Graceland and Bill Street. But
you know, it was It's an incredible place. But I
just think Elvis is so fascinating. I would love to
just pick his brain and hear his his take on
(01:59):
It's interesting. We're very blessed to be able to do
what we do buzz, you know, to be able to
talk about music and talk to some of these heroes
of ours people have written some of the great songs
of all time. Elvis. I always find when I'm interviewing
somebody like like a Lamont Dozer from Hollandozer Holland or somebody,
(02:20):
you know, Henry Dilts, the great photographer.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I interviewed him a few weeks ago. He was an.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Official photographer of Woodstock and took so many great photos
at Laurel Canyon. Sometimes you feel like you're interviewing somebody
and it's like you know, or like Brian Wilson the
Washington Monument, you're like sitting down with the Washington Monument.
There's so much history there. And to me, I'm fascinated
by the early early rock and roll fifties and sixties,
(02:45):
when when it was barely registering with people and they said, oh,
it's a flash in the pan, it'll never last. And
Elvis was right there. I mean, he's the one that
started that fire, along with you know, Chuck Berry and
Little Richard and so to me that would be, uh,
that would be a treat to be able to really
(03:05):
the magic of his voice and and.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And just what he created.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And as we're going to talk about led Zeppelin and
Becoming led Zeppelin, the Great documentary, you know, there's no
doubt for so many of the Brits, you know, the
road started with people like Elvis, right that really it
really just began there, and uh, it still is a
great starting point to you know, talking about Elvis.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So Robert Plant talked about Little Richard, you know, on
the documentary, and of course in the interview with David Letterman.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He talked about the King. Of course, the King, you know,
he threw that out there, so you.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Know, yeah, that's that's that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So what stood out to you most about the approach
that they took for becoming led Zeppelin compared to other
documentaries you know that you've seen, whether about Zeppelin or
just in general documentaries.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I I loved the origin story. I mean I start
off every interview I've ever done with that an origin
question about you know, what was the moment that kicked
open the door to your mind and made you want
to pursue music like that moment, like where everything changed
for you? And I love to know about people's history
because I mean, the origin story is so important. I mean,
(04:25):
if comic book movies are any indication.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean they're hitting.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You know, they were ruled the box office for for
a decade, and it's always the origin story.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Why did spider Man? How did Spider Man become Spider Man?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And and what what motivated that Batman? That kind of thing,
And I think the same thing with artists, you know,
what what was it? And I love how Robert Plant,
John Paul Jones, and Jimmy Page.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It was just so cool to feel like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You had him in your living room there and then
telling about what started out, you know, and Jimmy Jimmy
Page talk about he always had a guitar in his hand,
and you know, he took it to school and they'd
take it away from him. And when he would go
into school and his dad kind of said, okay, well
I'll support you, but you make sure you keep your
grades up, you know. And it was just great to
(05:15):
to I was fascinated by that. And then of course
to get you know, John Bonham, to get Bonzo, to
get that that interview that had never been.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Shared, and it was really a treat to watch Robert.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Plant and well all of them, you know, just listening
to John Bonham and smiling, and I thought that was
a really cool approach. And the origin story just took
him from there and then how they all met and
and you got to see that, you know, Robert Plant talked.
You could see the pain in his face. He went
through some hard times. He was homeless, you know, he
(05:50):
was he had a little suitcase he'd carry around, and
he had some tough times.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Trying to figure out what he was going to do,
who he was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And we all look at these guys as rock gods
and we don't see them as human, and when we
see them in human it makes them even more precious touffs.
At least it does to me, because they come.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Down to that level.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, you know, I know we shouldn't worship that
type of thing, but you know, as a little kid,
when you see led Zeppelin, the golden gods of rock,
up there on the stage, you hear those records, it's mystical,
it's magical, it's like a it's almost indescribable, you know.
And then you see them and then they come down
(06:33):
in their mere mortals. You would think that that would
take something away, but it doesn't. For me, it strengthens
that bond.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I think I loved how there really was no external commentary.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It was really just the band members themselves.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
How do you think that choice that they made in
creating the documentary impacts us as viewers and our connection
to the story.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Because I think that they're holding us by the hand
and tanking gets along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I love that too. I love that aspect. There
was no voice over.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
There was no Okay, now we're going to give you
some exposition here, and we're going to take you to
the next here, you know, here's this year.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And I loved how they let the music also.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Breathe life into it, where you'd see a live performance,
and they'd let the live performance go on, where you'd
see the full performance, and then you also see what
was going on in those years, which was impacting Zeppelins music,
and Zeppelin was impacting what was going on. And I
love that too, with that aspect of it, you know,
And I would have given it a perfect ten.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The only thing that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I didn't like about it is I feel like there
was a huge missed opportunity at the end. And we
learned this from a Star Wars trilogy. How could you
not bring the characters together at the end, you know,
and let them be in the room. It would have
been so perfect to end with Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones,
Robert Plant sitting together in that room where you know,
(08:03):
it looked like even they were being interviewed in the
same room, some of them, but at least that John
Paul Jones or Robert Plant looked like the same room
to me. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it would have been
great to have them sitting in that like kind of
den together, listening to John Bonham and them kind of together,
the four of them one last time and and give
give the last word.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Uh. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I like how Jimmy Page had the last word because
it was his band, he started it. But it would
have been cool to see that that's my only that's
my only hiccup.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I wondered the same thing, and I wondered whether it
was too painful in a way for them to go
through that in terms of the ride that would have
taken them on emotionally. But I definitely had that same feeling,
and I wish it went you know, I wish the
whole thing went on further further down the road, you know,
like a good tease of an interview, which you're so
(08:58):
great at, Uh, you leave people wanting more.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think they left us wanting more.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Definitely, I would love to see you know, I mean,
who doesn't want to hear their take on Steroid to Heaven,
even though Robert Plan doesn't want to talk about it
really from other interviews, but it would have been great
to see, you know, for example, my I mean, my
favorite song of all time by Zeppelin is ten years gone,
and I would love to have heard their take on
(09:26):
that immigrant song and so on and so forth. And
I loved how you got little stories behind the songs.
But yeah, it seemed like Zeppel one and two and
they left us. But maybe there'll be a sequel. We
can only hope.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I love how Jimmy Page talked about his specific decision
to steer Zeppelin away from mainstream singles, you know, toward
these more ambitious albums. How in your mind, how pivotal
do you think that the vision was in shaping the
band's legacy.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, it was monumental because.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I remember there was a part where Jimmy Page talked
about that he saw the future in America. They were
playing full sides of albums, you know, they were trying
to push him for a cut for AM radio Pop radio,
and he could see where the future was going with
with FM and with them playing entire sides of albums,
and that's where.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
He wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I think that they influenced everybody came after, I mean,
Pink Floyd and you know, the great albums.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I always say that the sixties to me are the greatest,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I've been doing this project for like the last six months,
where every Saturday I camped down the top ten, or
in my case, I've been doing eleven songs because it's
so difficult for every year in music from so far,
I've done nineteen sixty four to about nineteen eighty nine,
and I planned to probably do a few few years
from the nineties in the fifties, but it is so
(11:03):
hard because in the sixties is impossible, because you go
from sixty five to sixty nine and there's fifty songs
that could be in the top ten easy. So to me,
the sixties are the greatest, and nothing comes close as
far as singles go, you know, their own individual songs.
But when you get in the seventies, I think the
seventies are the greatest decade by far for albums, for
(11:27):
a full picture and thematically, you know, and Zeppelin certainly
had that, and Eagles followed that, and a lot of
bands in the seventies who were trying to create full albums,
full experiences. We're missing that, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
In the New Age. That's a bit of a lost art.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The album is going away in some ways, it is
coming back in some ways with vinyl being so exciting
for younger people. So there's no question that Zeppelin had
a massive impact on that. And they were writing, they
were looking at as a as a full album. They
were They're never a band that was sitting down and saying,
all right, what's going to be the leadoff single?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What's going to be the second single?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And and that's the mentality that we all have, I
mean that the record executives have, and that that most
artists have is how were we going to I mean
today it's about grabbing them that first five seconds. That
was never on their mind. They were it was art
first and commerce came a distant second.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The filmmakers mentioned that there's a bit of a message
in the doc about following your passion and not listening
to naysayers. How do you think that theme resonates with
musicians and the general broad audience.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We we live in a time where.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Social media has taken over and a lot of these
younger kids are.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
In some ways are there's there. Their value of.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Themselves is tied to likes and comments. And I can
understand that as a having a YouTube channel. You know,
if I'm having a bad day, on YouTube where it's
not resonating. You know, I'm beating myself up, like maybe
I shouldn't this or whatever. You can't worry about what
others think of you if you know you've got something.
(13:22):
There was an artist that taught me something really incredible.
Kenny Loggins. Actually, Kenny Loggins was telling a story about
how he and Michael McDonald had just written what a
Fool Beliefs, huge hit for the Dewbie Brothers. Of course,
you know, one record of the year, and it was
a number one hit and massive, and so they really
had a great connection as writers. So Kenny wrote Whenever
(13:44):
I Call You Friend, and he thought this is man,
I think this is a great song. And he took
it to Michael McDonald. Is their next song to do together?
And he said, man, I think we should do this
next one together. And Michael McDonald listened to it and
he said, nah, I don't hear it. I don't care
for it. I don't think it's a great song. Kenny's
like what And so Kenny Stevie Nix at the time
(14:07):
he used tour with her. She said let's do adet together,
and he said, let's do this song and she loved it,
and they recorded and it became his first massive solo hit,
and he said, you know, my lesson from that is
when you know you've got something, go for it. Keep
going because we all worry about what other people think.
But if you know in your heart does something great,
(14:27):
you keep going moving forward. And that was a great
lesson to me that you know we got to do.
And I think Zeppelin's a great example of that. I mean,
they have their struggles, you know, it shows that. That's
what I love about this documentary is that shows all
of their ups and downs getting to the point where
they were the greatest man of all time.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
After watching Becoming Led Zeppelin, did you come away with
any new insights or questions that you would like to
explore further in your own work.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Gosh, I probably haven't had enough time to reflect on
it because I just barely watched it last night.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I've been so crazy busy the last few months.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But yeah, I think I love their example of they
were creating without worrying about what an audience wanted. And
I think sometimes as a podcaster, as an interviewer, as
content creators, I guess is what they call it now,
(15:27):
Sometimes we're worried about really tying it into your last
question what others are thinking, or maybe I should cover
this because it's the popular thing and forego our own
ideas of what our heart is telling us a direction
to go. And I think that Zeppelin's a great example
of you follow your heart and your passions. And a
(15:48):
couple of days ago, you know, my son, I've got
a seventeen year old and he had a bunch of
friends over here.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We're putting together a puzzle of.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Rock albums, and we were talking about music, and I
was showing them different songs that they weren't aware of.
Either are like, what's this album? And they said, oh,
it's you know, it's General Tall And I showed them
or Jefferson Airplane, and I was showing them different things
and they never heard it, and their mine was being
blown and I thought, this is so fun, so to
share something new with these kids that they've never heard
(16:18):
that they're like, wow, how did they how did what.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Instrument is that? And how did they do this?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And and I thought, I need to get back to
that a little bit more of I'm not worrying so
much about I got to do a video that's gonna
get you know, that's gonna get clicks or views. It's
about creating something that that resonates and and I think
for the most part I do that. But it is
a good reminder that we need to follow our heart.
(16:46):
We need to follow where the mus is taking as
as opposed to what you know, the marketing plan is.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
It's great advice for all of us, great advice for me.
I couldn't agree more. Highly recommend Becoming led Zeppelin a
great documentary, and I highly recommend you check out The
Professor of Rock because it's chock full of behind the
scenes stories with some of the greats from the music business.
(17:17):
So Adam, thank you for being on Taking a Walk Buzz,
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I appreciate it, love it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a
Walk Podcast.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
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