September 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Trews and Tribulations” - Episode Description
Join Canadian rock legends The Trews on an intimate walking conversation about their groundbreaking eighth studio album “The Bloody Light,” set for release October 24, 2025.
In this exclusive Takin’ a Walk episode, brothers Colin and John-Angus MacDonald from The Trews open up about their most ambitious musical project yet. The Bloody Light represents a bold new chapter for the Antigonish, Nova Scotia rockers, featuring unprecedented collaborations with Brett and Jay Emmons of The Glorious Son who co-produced this highly anticipated release.
The Trews new music 2025 showcases the band’s evolution while staying true to their Canadian rock roots. Their latest single “The Breakdown” has already achieved massive success, hitting number 1 at Canadian radio and becoming the band’s third chart-topping single , proving The Trews continue to dominate the rock music landscape.
During this candid conversation, discover the creative process behind The Trews 2025 tour and how the band spent much of summer and fall 2024 in the studio completing work on their eighth studio album . Learn about their artistic partnership with The Glorious Sons’ Brett and Jay Emmons, the inspiration behind the album title “The Bloody Light,” and how two decades in the music industry have shaped their approach to songwriting and collaboration.
This episode offers fans unprecedented access to The Trews’ creative minds, exploring themes of musical evolution, brotherhood in rock and roll, and the future of Canadian alternative rock. Whether you’re a longtime fan or discovering The Trews for the first time, this conversation provides intimate insights into one of Canada’s most enduring rock acts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Take a Walk.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
What happens when two brothers from Nova Scotia trade the
quiet of small town life for the roar of stadium
crowds and the relentless pulse of the road. On Buzznight
and today on the Taken a Walk Podcast, we check
out the world of Colin and John Angus MacDonald, founding
members of The Trus, one of Canada's most electrifying rock bands.
(00:24):
From winning a radio contest that changed their lives overnight
to crafting gold records and penning anthems that have become
the soundtrack to a generation, Colin and John Angus have
never taken the easy path. Their journey is one of reinvention, resilience,
and a stubborn refusal to play it safe. A story
(00:44):
written not just in the studio, but on the road
and the chaos and camaraderie of life on tour. So
join us on this episode as we go beyond the
stage lights and into the stories, struggles and triumphs that
have shaped the truths. Whether you're a lifelong fan or
just discovering their music, get ready for a conversation as honest, dynamic,
(01:06):
and unpredictable as the band itself.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Taking a walk.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, John Angus McDonald and Colin McDonald from the
Trus Welcome to Taking a Walk, guys.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Hey, good to be here, man, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So since we call this show taking a Walk, I
do have to ask you the opening question here, which is,
if you, gentlemen, could take a walk with someone living
or dead, who would that person be and maybe where
would you take a walk with him?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
My answer is always going to be Bob Dylan, even
though you know, I'd be kind of scared of what
he might say because He's he could say something cryptic
and twisted, like I hope you don't blame music the
way you walk or something, and I wouldn't be able
to not think about that for the rest of my life.
And I just take him for a walk around Hamilton, Ontario,
and just see how many people notice that I'm walking
(02:01):
with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
And since my answer was also going to be Bob Dylan,
I'm just going to throw it to the Canadian Bob
Dylan and say Neil Young, because I think he'd be
a really cool guy to have a chat with somewhere
in a field outside o Mimi's hometown in Ontario, And.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Just you know, I mean, what's not to talk about.
I'd love to hear what's on his mind at any moment.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, two of my favorites. Thank you so much. We're
going to get into a lot here. We're going to
talk about the new music, the Bloody Light and of
course the Breakdown, which has going to number one as
we speak. So excited for you guys, But I do
want to ask you first. This band has gone through
(02:46):
some different evolution over time. There's been different different names
and different sort of directions.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Can you share the.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Story behind, first of all the name changes and how
you finally settled on the truths.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well as Monty Python fans growing up and still to
this day Python fans. We originally recalled One Eyed Trouser
Snake from the song from Meaning of Life, and then
we became one Eyed Trouser and then we shortened it
to Trouser. And we're originally from any nishe Nova, Scotia
on the east coast of Canada, and we decided to
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leave our small town and move to Ontario to kind
of take a shot at making it in the Canadian
music industry. And we were about to release an EP
in two thousand and two with four songs on it.
We had gotten management by then and a producer, and
there was an acid jazz band out of Mississauga, which
is just outside of Toronto, Ontario, with the name Trouser,
and they sent us a cease in desist order, like
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we didn't even have ten fans, and we let alone,
knowing what a cease and desist order was for using
a name, and so it seemed a little bit dramatic
to us at the time. But then we had to
change our name in twenty four hours and our bass
player's mom are Basic player Jackman called us and said,
you know, you can call yourselves the Truths because that
means the same thing as Trousers and Trouser. And we're like, okay,
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And we weren't thinking like this will be our name
for the next twenty five years. I mean, when you're young,
you think, oh, I hope this lasts another summer. And
so we called ourselves the Trus and then we started
getting hit singles, and that's the name.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I love that story.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I love I love how things are meant to be.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, that's an example, right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I know a little bit about Nova Scotia, and
what I know about Nova Scotia is. I had a
fourth grade teacher by the name of Lilla Sterling, and
she was most known for writing a book called Pipe
Organ in the Parlor. But so I learned a little
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bit about Nova Scotia through her and through her writing.
Tell me more about Nova Scotia and how it shaped
your musical identity and approach.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, it's it's not a big place, you know, it's
got I think it's got about a million people in
it now, so it had less than that when we
were growing up in the eighties, and we're like many
generations into being Nova Scotians, like our grandparents and their
parents and their parents were all Nova Scotians. And the
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music culturally is very influenced by like trad music, like
a traditional Celtic jig and real fiddle music, fiddle and piano, fiddling, guitar,
tim whistle bagpipes. That was the sort of music of
the culture. But we were rock kids. We liked rock
and roll. But I think that the thing that seeped
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in was the very communal element of music down there
where music was meant to be enjoyed in the kitchen
or in the living room in a circle. Nobody's performing
and being and nobody's the audience. It's all one and
the same. And you know, some people would pass the
guitar to the right, and the fiddle will get passed
to their right, and the tim whistle will get passed,
and then somebody be sitting at the piano and somebody
would scooch them out of the way. And it was
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a very communal experience music on the East Coast, and
so I think we took some of that forward with us.
And also our grandmother was like a classically trained concert
pianist also played that Celtic style of piano. So music
was always in our house and in our home, and
my dad was an amateur kind of folk artist, and
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our folk musician, you know, aimed to be that in
his youth. And so music which is always in us
around us, and I think Nova Scotia was a big
part of that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So was there ever a Plan B for you guys
or was this always Plan A and no plan B?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It was it was always plan A. We when we
started playing, and like we grew up, we started out
in a very small town called Anti guin Ish, which
is our where we were born. And even though we
jenagis and I moved away a bunch when we were younger.
We kind of came back there in the in the
mid nineties and we started the band and kind of
got instantly popular amongst the kids in town. Like we
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could sell out bars when we weren't even old enough
to be in the bars. We have to get permission
slips and have our parents come in. So it was
a tremendous uh buzz for us, like right away to
be this cover band. We were all young, and all
the kids were trying to sneak into the bar, and
even the adults would come in because we were playing
like kind of classic rock covers. So we always kind
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of felt like, oh, we're in a successful band right
out of the gates because because everybody in town was
coming to see us. So I think when that started
to hit us, we were like, we're doing this. We
got to keep doing this. So I think it was
always planning.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And there had to have been a first concert of
some type that truly impacted you, whether it be from
somebody that was you know, one of your neighbors playing,
or whether it was a national act.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Can you tell us about.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That it was the for I think for me probably
for Janinas two. We went to see the Tragically Hip,
you know, Canada's greatest band or one of the greatest
bands in the world, and we saw them on their
nineteen ninety eight Phantom Powered tour at the Halifax Arena
which was called what was it called back Metro Center
Metro Center used to be now it's called like a
Scotia Bank thing. But we went to see that show
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and they came out and they were mind blowingly incredible,
and I was just like, this is this is it?
And and the thing is because we're in like a
rural part at Canada, Antiginish is very small. It's like
a two hour drive to the city, which is Halifax,
and so we didn't get a lot of big national
acts or international acts coming around. We just didn't. But
(08:45):
going to see the Hip because they would always come
to the East Coast on every album tour. I mean,
that had a really big impact on us. We're just like,
this is They're just extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And they played a key role in later in your
in your career in terms of sort of you know,
mentoring and helping you through things right very much.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So, I mean we always looked up to them. We
loved their approach, We loved their ethos, loved their music,
loved their They were great live band, they were road warriors,
and they wrote great songs. They didn't seem to be
too you know, like egotistical, and you know it was
I hate to say, like very Canadian, but kind of
very Canadian, and that would like be really good, you know,
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don't be too much of a jackass. Do your show
be great and and uh and then later on we
ended up because we started having success of our own,
we ended up on some bills with them, and we
ended up getting a record produced by their bass player, Gords,
and Clay was still a really good friend to the
band and ended up doing a bunch of more shows
with them and becoming really close. And they were always
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like these really really really cool older brothers that were
always going to be better than us. But we just
loved them and respected them so much that we were
always like they were just a great well we got
to keep aiming high to even just try to catch
up with these guys, and and that's they were always
that kind of that north star for us.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And have you guys in turn paid it forward and
returned that to some folks that you've been mentoring.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Especially jam Hangus.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
You want to take that, I think, so, yeah, Like,
I don't know if you've heard of a band called
the Glorious Suns, But when I first started branching out
and producing other artists, they were pretty much the second artist,
a second band that I sort of took a stab
at producing, and they went on to have tremendous success
even with some of the stuff that I that I
had worked on. And they were really green when I
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met them, as I said, like, you know, I'm interested
in producing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You like that sounds great. What's the producer?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And I was like, you guys could really use a manager,
like what a managers do. So they're really still quite
green when I met them. But they had great songs,
and they had a great work ethic, and they had
a great spirit about them. And so we did a
couple of records together and took them out on tour
and then they very quickly were just off to the
races and having, you know, this amazing career of their own.
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So uh, and there's been many many other examples you
know too, like that that's sort of the biggest one.
But uh, we've called both Colin and I've worked with
a lot of artists outside of our band, and you
just try to, you know, whether it be by trying
to write them the best song you think they need,
or to try to produce a good recording for them,
or just give them, you know, decent advice. You know,
it's sort of something we're always sort of mindful of.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Which is which is a perfect transition because the new album,
The Bloody Light was produced by B and Jay from
The Glorious Suns. Well talk about what they brought to
the process and how they pushed you guys creatively.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
They're just getting they just get there getting back at
me for all those all that all that bullying back.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
In the THEA. They brought excitement and they brought us
back to a place. It's almost like it felt like
our first record again. And they grew up fans of
the band, you know, and obviously they have a really
a long, illustrious history with Jenangis and it was an
interesting power dynamic because Janis was always their mentor producer
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and now they're the guys in charge, and they definitely
pushed us to come up with our best material. I know,
I know, leading up to this record. It was a
long time. We went through a couple of different iterations
of producers and songwriting arrangements, and it was just it took.
It was just this record took a long time, and
I'm it all started to where we are now. It
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started with a conversation between Jenangis and Brett in Toronto
in twenty twenty three. Brett had heard all of our
demos and Brett's a very frank, honest, earnest guy, and
he just thought, you know, we weren't hitting it. It
wasn't there yet, and he just asked Jenis almost like
almost kind of sheepishly, if like, would you mind if
I produced just one true song? And we were at
(12:58):
a point where, you know, we were like, yeah, let's
let's do it. Let's just see what happens. And it
was the first song we did was the song of
the Bloody Light, and we were all like, Okay, this
is it, we know it, you know it. Let's let's
keep going. And then that led to the rest of
the record. They brought a real enthusiasm to it and
again they they have experienced our band from the outside
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looking in, like they had been to our shows before.
They knew us.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
They had been to our shows as fans, and then
we became fast friends, close friends, collaborators, and so, but
I think they still brought that like outside looking in
opinion of the band, like this is what I want
to hear when you guys take the stage.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You know, that was like the that was the real
valuable viewpoint.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think it's almost like they that classic. They call
it the beginner's mindset, having the fresh start approach with
someone's view, which you guys seem to take that quite
a bit. You'd like to shake it up and and
try different different things.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So is there a.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Typical songwriting process that you have and specifically for the
new music, what was the songwriting process that you used.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It's always been the same. It's like it starts with
little bits and pieces of tunes and like I'm pretty
much compulsive in my writing habits. All write every day,
and oftentimes it'll be something that I've come up with,
something that might be it's never finished. I always kind
of leave it open ended. I leave it because I
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know that when I bring it to Jen Angus and Jack,
it's going to get better. And then when we bring
it to a producer plus that it's going to get better,
I kind of leave it open. And that's always kind
of been the way, and we have all because we've
been doing it so long, and I think the only
reason we want to keep doing it is to keep
it fresh and exciting for us. Otherwise it's like we
don't want to just be touring around as some band
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that we want to keep it like vital for us,
and and I think that's always been the priority. So
when we get together with a really fruitful partnership, and
that's kind of happened on every one of our records,
we kind of just let we bring in our little
bits and pieces and then let that thing take over
and it becomes very cooperative and everybody's kind of throwing
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in and then it leads to, in our case, the
best version of these songs.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
We'll be right back with more of the Taking a
Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So take us further behind the scenes of this new music.
I'm going to ask about one song in particular that
I really absolutely like, just to start off, the one
Don't Get Lost in the Dark.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's cool. That was one that I
just had when I was working in on my sitting
on my couch one night and just strumming. I had
I had the lyric You're off Beaten Path, and I
had Don't Get Lost in the Dark, and I had
a couple of other ones, and we knew it was
good and we got together and started demoing it and
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it was like kind of a slow Ballady halftime thing
and it was good, and you know, it wasn't like
jumping out of the speakers and then the glorious suns guys.
I mean, we must have sent Jay and Brett one
hundred songs demos, and that was one of the songs.
I remember Jay Brett's brothers said, I really like that,
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but I think in me, I don't know whose idea
it was to bring it up to full time, but
that was definitely something that happened in the in the
pre production stage. And then when we did that, like, oh,
this is this rules now, this is good, you know,
and it was just about putting into full time. And
I remember Brett was like, I feel like I know
what you're talking about, but I want to know more
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of what you're talking about. And that's it definitely made
the lyrics just closer to the then they were a
little bit further away, and then we brought them closer
and closer. And that's just up to like changing it
to like let me keep you close to what you've known,
like more conversational, more like you're talking right to the person.
And yeah, it's one of my favorite songs. Who just
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played it the other night at one of our shows,
and and I just I really enjoy it. Anything you
want to ADDE nine Oh No, I like that song
a lot. It's it's a different kind of song for us.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
It's got unique production quality, and it's a great live song,
and any song with that, you know, BPM is a
good live song.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And yeah, I'm glad it made the.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Metamorphosis that it did because I think it would have
ended up on the cutting room floor otherwise because it
was just another pretty song and the Suns guys did
a few key things to really make it pop.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Do you tend to when you're taking these songs out
before an album release sort of feel like it's a
little bit of a focus group to see what stuff
is gaining, you know, immediate commers focus group, so like
you know, you watch those those guys making TV shows
and movies and then they have to watch people watch
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the movie like I don't get this and don't get that.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
We don't really do that. We just go out and
play it live. And that's when you know, the audience
knows everything. They're not always right, but they know everything.
And fortunately with these new these new songs, like the
four we've released up in staples in the sets, so
we're like, thank you, but the audience will let you
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know pretty quick. And we've definitely learned that over years.
I remember, like our second record, which you know, was
a big success and did really well, but there was
a lot of jams that didn't translate quite as well live.
And I remember feeling that on our second record, like, oh,
so this is what happens, Like they weren't and then
we just had to like kind of cut some out,
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keep some in, rearrange things. It's it's it can't be press,
you know, it's like it and it's happening in front
of a lot of people. It's going down, and I
don't like seeing people walk to the bar, so I
want to keep them, you know what I mean. So yeah,
but we've gotten good at that and it's real and
sometimes they're not always right, like I was just reading
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this thing on led Zeppelin. Like the first time they
played Stairway to Heaven, the people were like, mah whatever,
like Stairway to Heaven led Zeppelin. They'd just written Stairway
to Heaven and they played it for a crowd and
people were a little bit like play oh, I love
you know, so like I mean, it doesn't mean you
should stop making your great art or your art whatever
it is. It just it's it just can be very
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it's it's always like the test. You go and play
it in front of people, and that's the focus group.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And more, you know, my wife Jenny has been listening
to our albums before they've come out, since our third record,
and she so I'll always play it for her and
she's always she she's not critical. She'd just be like,
that's my favorite. She'll always point out to one or
two that and she said those are my favorites. And
that's always interesting. And now now more and more with
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my kids, you know who, like they'll be listening like, oh,
this is your new music, dad, cool, I like that one.
I don't like this one.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I like that one. You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
So it's kind of funny and that like, we are
so involved in the process and we have all these
nuanced opinions of why should the bridge have been that long?
And maybe this isn't the wrong key and it's slightly
too fast, and all these nuanced opinions.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
People are just I like it or I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's like that's about as much as they think about it,
and it's kind of we're in the business of this
is awesome or this sucks.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Tell us about the other songs that are from the
new album that are being well received.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I mean, the Breakdowns our first time atop the rock
charts in quite a number of years. So we're very
happy with that. Since we wrote it and recorded it
with the Glorious Sounds two years ago, so that's been
in our set ever since, because that song is amazing
and everybody just absolutely loves it and Downtown again, which
I'm kind of surprised because it's kind of a little
bit of a a little bit of a bop and
it's and people are really resonating with it. I just
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in a live setting, I know that. And my girlfriend
like loves that song so much, but I had to
get her to stop playing it because I'm like, she
was playing it like fifteen times a day, and I
was like, Caroly, Carolyn is her name. I love that
you love this, but I can't listen to the Trews
all day while I'm also on tour with the Trews,
you know what I mean. So so it was one
of those things. But you know, in our live sets,
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there's been no people walking to the bar during the new,
maybe unfamiliar songs, so I'll take that as a sign
of a good sign.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
There's also the next one to be released is called Manifest.
It's coming next month, and that's we've also life tested
that quite a few times and it's it goes down well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh I love I love that one as well. I
love everything that I've heard. It's so infectious and it
makes me want to see you guys live.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Are you down in Boston Boston area? Yah, We'll have
to let you know we're next time we're in Boston.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'd love it. I'd absolutely I'd love it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And I love the fact that you guys kind of
twist between you know, acoustic and you got the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know, the rock side.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I meanhow it's just is so diverse, but I want
to I want to close going back a bit to
the beginning of the interview. So if you guys were
to cover a Bob Dylan's song, what song would you cover?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And why?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Jokerman? We always cover Jokerman. That's my personal favorite Bob
Dylan song, even though he's been on record as to
say he doesn't like that songs that took him too
long to write it, and he's wrong. It's the best
song licensed to kill Infidel's record. I'd love to do
Visions of Johannah, but that would be like impossible. Yeah,
I mean I could. I could sit here forever.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And I mean, if I'm going to his classic period,
it's almost too many to like approximately Queen Jane anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I mean, if we could make it as a buy
Dylan tribute band, I would just do that. And I
also when we saw him in Buffalo two years ago
or last year with Willie Nelson, Yeah, I can get
paid to just follow him around and tour and watch
his shows. Now, I just do that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I mean, like there's also I mean, buzz I'm gonna
talk your ear off now, but there's like if you
see her say hello or You're gonna make me lonesome
when you go, or you know what, sugar Baby off
Love and Theft, or even Murder Most Foul, which was
like his last big single.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
It's like a beautiful song. I mean, I Do, I Do,
I Do, no time, no time to think from Street
Legal like those songs, like there's every period. He's always genius.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
You're you're from Boston, So what might explain our sound
is we're like Dylan nuts on the one hand, and
we love Aerosmith, So yeah, maybe that explains our band.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh well, I think there's got to be some affection
that you guys have towards the band as well.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I have to think absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean, we actually got to record with the late
great Garth Hutson. We did a song on a tribute
record for so Garth put together a tribute record for
the band with him playing with every band and it's
he's Neil young Is on that record. You're young too.
But the funny thing is, so we were in Tokyo,
Japan doing a band cover for the delegates that the
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Canadian Embassy in Japan, and we were doing the weight
because that's like kind of a Canadian national anthem song
you know. And Garth Hudson's manager was there and he
filmed us and he goes, I want this band on
my upcoming Garth Hudson presents the songs of the band record.
I'm like, great, he's gonna get us to do the weight.
He's like, Nope, because you were in Japan. I want
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you guys to do our song Move to Japan. I'm like, okay,
whatever you say, whatever you want, will do it. But
it wasn't exactly the classic period of the band, you
know what I mean. It was fun, it was a
fun recorder. It was super fun, but it wasn't like
chess fever. Yeah, and it wasn't. It wasn't. Still I'm
still just happy to be there. I would have just
brought coffee for those sessions. I'm fine. But we ended
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up doing Move to Japan because Garth had it in
his mind. I saw this bamber farming in Japan. Therefore
they're doing the song.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh that's wonderful. My god.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm gonna throw a plug for the new Richard Manual
biography written by Steve Stephen t Lewis.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Which is fabulous.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You'll is that out? Now?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's out and it's terrific.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It is intensely researched, and you'll love You'll love it
to death, you really will.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I am I am going to get that like now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, you will love it. But I love talking to
you guys. It's it's a blast. Congratulations on the new
music Colin John Angus. It's a pleasure having you on.
See the truths, listen to the truths. Love the truths.
Thank you guys for being on.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Thanks Buzz, really appreciate your time. Man, Thank you buds,
Take care.
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Take a Walk.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
What happens when two brothers from Nova Scotia trade the
quiet of small town life for the roar of stadium
crowds and the relentless pulse of the road. On Buzznight
and today on the Taken a Walk Podcast, we check
out the world of Colin and John Angus MacDonald, founding
members of The Trus, one of Canada's most electrifying rock bands.
(00:24):
From winning a radio contest that changed their lives overnight
to crafting gold records and penning anthems that have become
the soundtrack to a generation, Colin and John Angus have
never taken the easy path. Their journey is one of reinvention, resilience,
and a stubborn refusal to play it safe. A story
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written not just in the studio, but on the road
and the chaos and camaraderie of life on tour. So
join us on this episode as we go beyond the
stage lights and into the stories, struggles and triumphs that
have shaped the truths. Whether you're a lifelong fan or
just discovering their music, get ready for a conversation as honest, dynamic,
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and unpredictable as the band itself.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Taking a walk.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, John Angus McDonald and Colin McDonald from the
Trus Welcome to Taking a Walk, guys.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Hey, good to be here, man, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So since we call this show taking a Walk, I
do have to ask you the opening question here, which is,
if you, gentlemen, could take a walk with someone living
or dead, who would that person be and maybe where
would you take a walk with him?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
My answer is always going to be Bob Dylan, even
though you know, I'd be kind of scared of what
he might say because He's he could say something cryptic
and twisted, like I hope you don't blame music the
way you walk or something, and I wouldn't be able
to not think about that for the rest of my life.
And I just take him for a walk around Hamilton, Ontario,
and just see how many people notice that I'm walking
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with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
And since my answer was also going to be Bob Dylan,
I'm just going to throw it to the Canadian Bob
Dylan and say Neil Young, because I think he'd be
a really cool guy to have a chat with somewhere
in a field outside o Mimi's hometown in Ontario, And.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Just you know, I mean, what's not to talk about.
I'd love to hear what's on his mind at any moment.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, two of my favorites. Thank you so much. We're
going to get into a lot here. We're going to
talk about the new music, the Bloody Light and of
course the Breakdown, which has going to number one as
we speak. So excited for you guys, But I do
want to ask you first. This band has gone through
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some different evolution over time. There's been different different names
and different sort of directions.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Can you share the.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Story behind, first of all the name changes and how
you finally settled on the truths.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well as Monty Python fans growing up and still to
this day Python fans. We originally recalled One Eyed Trouser
Snake from the song from Meaning of Life, and then
we became one Eyed Trouser and then we shortened it
to Trouser. And we're originally from any nishe Nova, Scotia
on the east coast of Canada, and we decided to
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leave our small town and move to Ontario to kind
of take a shot at making it in the Canadian
music industry. And we were about to release an EP
in two thousand and two with four songs on it.
We had gotten management by then and a producer, and
there was an acid jazz band out of Mississauga, which
is just outside of Toronto, Ontario, with the name Trouser,
and they sent us a cease in desist order, like
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we didn't even have ten fans, and we let alone,
knowing what a cease and desist order was for using
a name, and so it seemed a little bit dramatic
to us at the time. But then we had to
change our name in twenty four hours and our bass
player's mom are Basic player Jackman called us and said,
you know, you can call yourselves the Truths because that
means the same thing as Trousers and Trouser. And we're like, okay,
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And we weren't thinking like this will be our name
for the next twenty five years. I mean, when you're young,
you think, oh, I hope this lasts another summer. And
so we called ourselves the Trus and then we started
getting hit singles, and that's the name.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I love that story.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I love I love how things are meant to be.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, that's an example, right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I know a little bit about Nova Scotia, and
what I know about Nova Scotia is. I had a
fourth grade teacher by the name of Lilla Sterling, and
she was most known for writing a book called Pipe
Organ in the Parlor. But so I learned a little
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bit about Nova Scotia through her and through her writing.
Tell me more about Nova Scotia and how it shaped
your musical identity and approach.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, it's it's not a big place, you know, it's
got I think it's got about a million people in
it now, so it had less than that when we
were growing up in the eighties, and we're like many
generations into being Nova Scotians, like our grandparents and their
parents and their parents were all Nova Scotians. And the
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music culturally is very influenced by like trad music, like
a traditional Celtic jig and real fiddle music, fiddle and piano, fiddling, guitar,
tim whistle bagpipes. That was the sort of music of
the culture. But we were rock kids. We liked rock
and roll. But I think that the thing that seeped
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in was the very communal element of music down there
where music was meant to be enjoyed in the kitchen
or in the living room in a circle. Nobody's performing
and being and nobody's the audience. It's all one and
the same. And you know, some people would pass the
guitar to the right, and the fiddle will get passed
to their right, and the tim whistle will get passed,
and then somebody be sitting at the piano and somebody
would scooch them out of the way. And it was
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a very communal experience music on the East Coast, and
so I think we took some of that forward with us.
And also our grandmother was like a classically trained concert
pianist also played that Celtic style of piano. So music
was always in our house and in our home, and
my dad was an amateur kind of folk artist, and
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our folk musician, you know, aimed to be that in
his youth. And so music which is always in us
around us, and I think Nova Scotia was a big
part of that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So was there ever a Plan B for you guys
or was this always Plan A and no plan B?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It was it was always plan A. We when we
started playing, and like we grew up, we started out
in a very small town called Anti guin Ish, which
is our where we were born. And even though we
jenagis and I moved away a bunch when we were younger.
We kind of came back there in the in the
mid nineties and we started the band and kind of
got instantly popular amongst the kids in town. Like we
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could sell out bars when we weren't even old enough
to be in the bars. We have to get permission
slips and have our parents come in. So it was
a tremendous uh buzz for us, like right away to
be this cover band. We were all young, and all
the kids were trying to sneak into the bar, and
even the adults would come in because we were playing
like kind of classic rock covers. So we always kind
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of felt like, oh, we're in a successful band right
out of the gates because because everybody in town was
coming to see us. So I think when that started
to hit us, we were like, we're doing this. We
got to keep doing this. So I think it was
always planning.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And there had to have been a first concert of
some type that truly impacted you, whether it be from
somebody that was you know, one of your neighbors playing,
or whether it was a national act.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Can you tell us about.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That it was the for I think for me probably
for Janinas two. We went to see the Tragically Hip,
you know, Canada's greatest band or one of the greatest
bands in the world, and we saw them on their
nineteen ninety eight Phantom Powered tour at the Halifax Arena
which was called what was it called back Metro Center
Metro Center used to be now it's called like a
Scotia Bank thing. But we went to see that show
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and they came out and they were mind blowingly incredible,
and I was just like, this is this is it?
And and the thing is because we're in like a
rural part at Canada, Antiginish is very small. It's like
a two hour drive to the city, which is Halifax,
and so we didn't get a lot of big national
acts or international acts coming around. We just didn't. But
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going to see the Hip because they would always come
to the East Coast on every album tour. I mean,
that had a really big impact on us. We're just like,
this is They're just extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And they played a key role in later in your
in your career in terms of sort of you know,
mentoring and helping you through things right very much.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So, I mean we always looked up to them. We
loved their approach, We loved their ethos, loved their music,
loved their They were great live band, they were road warriors,
and they wrote great songs. They didn't seem to be
too you know, like egotistical, and you know it was
I hate to say, like very Canadian, but kind of
very Canadian, and that would like be really good, you know,
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don't be too much of a jackass. Do your show
be great and and uh and then later on we
ended up because we started having success of our own,
we ended up on some bills with them, and we
ended up getting a record produced by their bass player, Gords,
and Clay was still a really good friend to the
band and ended up doing a bunch of more shows
with them and becoming really close. And they were always
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like these really really really cool older brothers that were
always going to be better than us. But we just
loved them and respected them so much that we were
always like they were just a great well we got
to keep aiming high to even just try to catch
up with these guys, and and that's they were always
that kind of that north star for us.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And have you guys in turn paid it forward and
returned that to some folks that you've been mentoring.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Especially jam Hangus.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
You want to take that, I think, so, yeah, Like,
I don't know if you've heard of a band called
the Glorious Suns, But when I first started branching out
and producing other artists, they were pretty much the second artist,
a second band that I sort of took a stab
at producing, and they went on to have tremendous success
even with some of the stuff that I that I
had worked on. And they were really green when I
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met them, as I said, like, you know, I'm interested
in producing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You like that sounds great. What's the producer?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And I was like, you guys could really use a manager,
like what a managers do. So they're really still quite
green when I met them. But they had great songs,
and they had a great work ethic, and they had
a great spirit about them. And so we did a
couple of records together and took them out on tour
and then they very quickly were just off to the
races and having, you know, this amazing career of their own.
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So uh, and there's been many many other examples you
know too, like that that's sort of the biggest one.
But uh, we've called both Colin and I've worked with
a lot of artists outside of our band, and you
just try to, you know, whether it be by trying
to write them the best song you think they need,
or to try to produce a good recording for them,
or just give them, you know, decent advice. You know,
it's sort of something we're always sort of mindful of.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Which is which is a perfect transition because the new album,
The Bloody Light was produced by B and Jay from
The Glorious Suns. Well talk about what they brought to
the process and how they pushed you guys creatively.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
They're just getting they just get there getting back at
me for all those all that all that bullying back.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
In the THEA. They brought excitement and they brought us
back to a place. It's almost like it felt like
our first record again. And they grew up fans of
the band, you know, and obviously they have a really
a long, illustrious history with Jenangis and it was an
interesting power dynamic because Janis was always their mentor producer
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and now they're the guys in charge, and they definitely
pushed us to come up with our best material. I know,
I know, leading up to this record. It was a
long time. We went through a couple of different iterations
of producers and songwriting arrangements, and it was just it took.
It was just this record took a long time, and
I'm it all started to where we are now. It
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started with a conversation between Jenangis and Brett in Toronto
in twenty twenty three. Brett had heard all of our
demos and Brett's a very frank, honest, earnest guy, and
he just thought, you know, we weren't hitting it. It
wasn't there yet, and he just asked Jenis almost like
almost kind of sheepishly, if like, would you mind if
I produced just one true song? And we were at
(12:58):
a point where, you know, we were like, yeah, let's
let's do it. Let's just see what happens. And it
was the first song we did was the song of
the Bloody Light, and we were all like, Okay, this
is it, we know it, you know it. Let's let's
keep going. And then that led to the rest of
the record. They brought a real enthusiasm to it and
again they they have experienced our band from the outside
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looking in, like they had been to our shows before.
They knew us.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
They had been to our shows as fans, and then
we became fast friends, close friends, collaborators, and so, but
I think they still brought that like outside looking in
opinion of the band, like this is what I want
to hear when you guys take the stage.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You know, that was like the that was the real
valuable viewpoint.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I think it's almost like they that classic. They call
it the beginner's mindset, having the fresh start approach with
someone's view, which you guys seem to take that quite
a bit. You'd like to shake it up and and
try different different things.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So is there a.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Typical songwriting process that you have and specifically for the
new music, what was the songwriting process that you used.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It's always been the same. It's like it starts with
little bits and pieces of tunes and like I'm pretty
much compulsive in my writing habits. All write every day,
and oftentimes it'll be something that I've come up with,
something that might be it's never finished. I always kind
of leave it open ended. I leave it because I
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know that when I bring it to Jen Angus and Jack,
it's going to get better. And then when we bring
it to a producer plus that it's going to get better,
I kind of leave it open. And that's always kind
of been the way, and we have all because we've
been doing it so long, and I think the only
reason we want to keep doing it is to keep
it fresh and exciting for us. Otherwise it's like we
don't want to just be touring around as some band
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that we want to keep it like vital for us,
and and I think that's always been the priority. So
when we get together with a really fruitful partnership, and
that's kind of happened on every one of our records,
we kind of just let we bring in our little
bits and pieces and then let that thing take over
and it becomes very cooperative and everybody's kind of throwing
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in and then it leads to, in our case, the
best version of these songs.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
We'll be right back with more of the Taking a
Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So take us further behind the scenes of this new music.
I'm going to ask about one song in particular that
I really absolutely like, just to start off, the one
Don't Get Lost in the Dark.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's cool. That was one that I
just had when I was working in on my sitting
on my couch one night and just strumming. I had
I had the lyric You're off Beaten Path, and I
had Don't Get Lost in the Dark, and I had
a couple of other ones, and we knew it was
good and we got together and started demoing it and
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it was like kind of a slow Ballady halftime thing
and it was good, and you know, it wasn't like
jumping out of the speakers and then the glorious suns guys.
I mean, we must have sent Jay and Brett one
hundred songs demos, and that was one of the songs.
I remember Jay Brett's brothers said, I really like that,
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but I think in me, I don't know whose idea
it was to bring it up to full time, but
that was definitely something that happened in the in the
pre production stage. And then when we did that, like, oh,
this is this rules now, this is good, you know,
and it was just about putting into full time. And
I remember Brett was like, I feel like I know
what you're talking about, but I want to know more
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of what you're talking about. And that's it definitely made
the lyrics just closer to the then they were a
little bit further away, and then we brought them closer
and closer. And that's just up to like changing it
to like let me keep you close to what you've known,
like more conversational, more like you're talking right to the person.
And yeah, it's one of my favorite songs. Who just
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played it the other night at one of our shows,
and and I just I really enjoy it. Anything you
want to ADDE nine Oh No, I like that song
a lot. It's it's a different kind of song for us.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
It's got unique production quality, and it's a great live song,
and any song with that, you know, BPM is a
good live song.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And yeah, I'm glad it made the.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Metamorphosis that it did because I think it would have
ended up on the cutting room floor otherwise because it
was just another pretty song and the Suns guys did
a few key things to really make it pop.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Do you tend to when you're taking these songs out
before an album release sort of feel like it's a
little bit of a focus group to see what stuff
is gaining, you know, immediate commers focus group, so like
you know, you watch those those guys making TV shows
and movies and then they have to watch people watch
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the movie like I don't get this and don't get that.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
We don't really do that. We just go out and
play it live. And that's when you know, the audience
knows everything. They're not always right, but they know everything.
And fortunately with these new these new songs, like the
four we've released up in staples in the sets, so
we're like, thank you, but the audience will let you
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know pretty quick. And we've definitely learned that over years.
I remember, like our second record, which you know, was
a big success and did really well, but there was
a lot of jams that didn't translate quite as well live.
And I remember feeling that on our second record, like, oh,
so this is what happens, Like they weren't and then
we just had to like kind of cut some out,
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keep some in, rearrange things. It's it's it can't be press,
you know, it's like it and it's happening in front
of a lot of people. It's going down, and I
don't like seeing people walk to the bar, so I
want to keep them, you know what I mean. So yeah,
but we've gotten good at that and it's real and
sometimes they're not always right, like I was just reading
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this thing on led Zeppelin. Like the first time they
played Stairway to Heaven, the people were like, mah whatever,
like Stairway to Heaven led Zeppelin. They'd just written Stairway
to Heaven and they played it for a crowd and
people were a little bit like play oh, I love
you know, so like I mean, it doesn't mean you
should stop making your great art or your art whatever
it is. It just it's it just can be very
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it's it's always like the test. You go and play
it in front of people, and that's the focus group.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And more, you know, my wife Jenny has been listening
to our albums before they've come out, since our third record,
and she so I'll always play it for her and
she's always she she's not critical. She'd just be like,
that's my favorite. She'll always point out to one or
two that and she said those are my favorites. And
that's always interesting. And now now more and more with
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my kids, you know who, like they'll be listening like, oh,
this is your new music, dad, cool, I like that one.
I don't like this one.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I like that one. You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
So it's kind of funny and that like, we are
so involved in the process and we have all these
nuanced opinions of why should the bridge have been that long?
And maybe this isn't the wrong key and it's slightly
too fast, and all these nuanced opinions.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
People are just I like it or I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's like that's about as much as they think about it,
and it's kind of we're in the business of this
is awesome or this sucks.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Tell us about the other songs that are from the
new album that are being well received.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I mean, the Breakdowns our first time atop the rock
charts in quite a number of years. So we're very
happy with that. Since we wrote it and recorded it
with the Glorious Sounds two years ago, so that's been
in our set ever since, because that song is amazing
and everybody just absolutely loves it and Downtown again, which
I'm kind of surprised because it's kind of a little
bit of a a little bit of a bop and
it's and people are really resonating with it. I just
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in a live setting, I know that. And my girlfriend
like loves that song so much, but I had to
get her to stop playing it because I'm like, she
was playing it like fifteen times a day, and I
was like, Caroly, Carolyn is her name. I love that
you love this, but I can't listen to the Trews
all day while I'm also on tour with the Trews,
you know what I mean. So so it was one
of those things. But you know, in our live sets,
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there's been no people walking to the bar during the new,
maybe unfamiliar songs, so I'll take that as a sign
of a good sign.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
There's also the next one to be released is called Manifest.
It's coming next month, and that's we've also life tested
that quite a few times and it's it goes down well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh I love I love that one as well. I
love everything that I've heard. It's so infectious and it
makes me want to see you guys live.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Are you down in Boston Boston area? Yah, We'll have
to let you know we're next time we're in Boston.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'd love it. I'd absolutely I'd love it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And I love the fact that you guys kind of
twist between you know, acoustic and you got the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know, the rock side.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I meanhow it's just is so diverse, but I want
to I want to close going back a bit to
the beginning of the interview. So if you guys were
to cover a Bob Dylan's song, what song would you cover?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And why?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Jokerman? We always cover Jokerman. That's my personal favorite Bob
Dylan song, even though he's been on record as to
say he doesn't like that songs that took him too
long to write it, and he's wrong. It's the best
song licensed to kill Infidel's record. I'd love to do
Visions of Johannah, but that would be like impossible. Yeah,
I mean I could. I could sit here forever.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And I mean, if I'm going to his classic period,
it's almost too many to like approximately Queen Jane anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I mean, if we could make it as a buy
Dylan tribute band, I would just do that. And I
also when we saw him in Buffalo two years ago
or last year with Willie Nelson, Yeah, I can get
paid to just follow him around and tour and watch
his shows. Now, I just do that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I mean, like there's also I mean, buzz I'm gonna
talk your ear off now, but there's like if you
see her say hello or You're gonna make me lonesome
when you go, or you know what, sugar Baby off
Love and Theft, or even Murder Most Foul, which was
like his last big single.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
It's like a beautiful song. I mean, I Do, I Do,
I Do, no time, no time to think from Street
Legal like those songs, like there's every period. He's always genius.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
You're you're from Boston, So what might explain our sound
is we're like Dylan nuts on the one hand, and
we love Aerosmith, So yeah, maybe that explains our band.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh well, I think there's got to be some affection
that you guys have towards the band as well.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I have to think absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean, we actually got to record with the late
great Garth Hutson. We did a song on a tribute
record for so Garth put together a tribute record for
the band with him playing with every band and it's
he's Neil young Is on that record. You're young too.
But the funny thing is, so we were in Tokyo,
Japan doing a band cover for the delegates that the
(24:19):
Canadian Embassy in Japan, and we were doing the weight
because that's like kind of a Canadian national anthem song
you know. And Garth Hudson's manager was there and he
filmed us and he goes, I want this band on
my upcoming Garth Hudson presents the songs of the band record.
I'm like, great, he's gonna get us to do the weight.
He's like, Nope, because you were in Japan. I want
(24:40):
you guys to do our song Move to Japan. I'm like, okay,
whatever you say, whatever you want, will do it. But
it wasn't exactly the classic period of the band, you
know what I mean. It was fun, it was a
fun recorder. It was super fun, but it wasn't like
chess fever. Yeah, and it wasn't. It wasn't. Still I'm
still just happy to be there. I would have just
brought coffee for those sessions. I'm fine. But we ended
(25:03):
up doing Move to Japan because Garth had it in
his mind. I saw this bamber farming in Japan. Therefore
they're doing the song.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh that's wonderful. My god.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm gonna throw a plug for the new Richard Manual
biography written by Steve Stephen t Lewis.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Which is fabulous.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You'll is that out? Now?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's out and it's terrific.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It is intensely researched, and you'll love You'll love it
to death, you really will.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I am I am going to get that like now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, you will love it. But I love talking to
you guys. It's it's a blast. Congratulations on the new
music Colin John Angus. It's a pleasure having you on.
See the truths, listen to the truths. Love the truths.
Thank you guys for being on.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Thanks Buzz, really appreciate your time. Man, Thank you buds,
Take care.
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