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November 6, 2025 43 mins

The ballroom was rockin’ this week and Sharna Burgess is breaking down every single head bang.

Did she agree with most of the scoring? What stood out to her? And how about those team dances?

Plus, does she think Andy and Emma can take home the Mirrorball? It’s all on a new episode of Sharna Burgess…in the 4th Chair!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And now welcome to the ballroom in the fourth judges chair.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It shannap Burgess. What's up, everybody?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to another episode of Shanna Burgers in the fourth chair.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I am Shanna Burgers. We just had the.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame theme night on Dancing
with the Stars and it was a pretty epic night
with some incredible dancing. We had Flavor Flavors judge, and
I will say that was eventful. That was pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think we have to accept that when we have
celebrity guest judges come on like that, that we don't
know what to expect and we don't know where it's
going to go. And with a personality like Flavor Flavor,
who I've met a bunch of times on carpets, he
knows Brian, you just simply that you never know what
way it's going to go. On the bright side, he
pretty much gave everyone nines and tens, so across the

(00:49):
board it just elevated everyone the same amount, and I
don't think it had any negative impacting on where everyone
was ranked. He was certainly entertaining with his raps that
he would throw in the middle of it, but I
appreciated it.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I really appreciated everything about this.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
We also saw the team dancers tonight as for the show,
and I really thought everyone did a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you know, when I heard that it was rock
and roll, I was a little bit like, Oh, is
it gonna be good?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Because that theme in the past when we'd have rock
Night was sometimes a hit or miss because not always
do the songs go with the style that they're doing.
But I think the whole team and crew over a
dancing the stars picked wonderful songs. I thought the costumes
were fantastic. It wasn't overly two on the nose we're
going heavy metal or rock or anything in that genre.

(01:36):
It just I felt like it all really blended in beautifully.
Let's start off with our first couple, which was Dylan
and Danny doing a jive. I thought he did a really.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Good job at this.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Listen, I am remaining like strong on the fact that
I prefer him in these Latin dances to his ballroom dances.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
But let's get into what the judges said.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So Flavor said the dance was the proof I'm not
going to go through his whole rhyme, but it was
a positive comment we get into Bruno, he said, if
he wore his outfit, then no one would have looked
at his feet. I can confirm that that would be
a fact. No one would look at his feet if
he was wearing that leather outfit. Also love Bruno in
that music video. He said the feet were really good,

(02:20):
but he just messed up a pass. There was a
couple things, but he said it was absolutely fabulous and
emphasis on the abs, which I think we can all
understand where that came from. Yes, there were a couple
of footwork things. You know, he did a really good
job at getting in this jive technique and the proper
correct action.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Once again, Danny amazing technician.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But there are a couple moments where it just missed
a little bit and there was a combination where he
missed a bit of the step and then they missed
a hand connection. So that's what Bruno is bringing up here.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
We get to.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Carry in and she said there's athleticism and grace and dance,
and he has that, but there were about three moments
where he lost the kicks and the flicks. But it
is incredibly impressive how far he's come. I agree all
points incredibly impressive how far Dylan has come from that
very first week that we saw him dance. Danny is doing,
we say this all the time, an exceptional job at

(03:12):
teaching him the foundations at how to be a dancer.
He is taking it seriously. He's been passionate about it.
It really is wonderful to watch him go through this experience.
Derek said, it was a great way to start the show.
A fantastic jive. He did lose the kicks and flicks
a bit, but an amazing and hard jive. And by
hard jive he means some of that content now. Not

(03:34):
only is it the pattern of the choreography, but Danny
didn't take it easy on him on doing the more
simple version. You know how when you do a workout
or an online workout, there's always the low intensity and
the high intensity version. So there's also that with jive,
with the footwork. You can do the basic version of
those combinations with the man, or you can do the
like ramp it up, extra kicks and flicks and all

(03:56):
the styling into it.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
And Danny and.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Dylan really did do the ramp it up and getting
the styling. He was doing the extra kicks and flicks
and the little isms and flourishes that you would do
as a pro ballroom dancer. And so I really really appreciated.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That it was a hard routine.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's such a bummer that he missed the hand connection
and a little bit of the content. And what I
will say with for my notes is my first thing
was like okay, and I loved it, and then I
was like, oh, there's little mistakes.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I found that his.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Free arms were not styled enough. They don't have enough
tension in them. They're sort of like they find a place,
but they're a little bit unsure if that is their place.
You know, they're sort of like half there and half not.
And with the arms, and so I think stronger choices
or leaning into the choices that have been made already,
because you can see Dan's cleaned it, but just really
leaning into those details a little bit more and a

(04:49):
little bit stronger. I felt like he had nice dynamics,
and that is something he was previously lacking earlier in
the competition. Yeah, I said here in my notes it
was clean, but it was messy, And that really means
they've gone through and done the details, but they are
not exaggerated enough. Basically for me to see them and
to truly understand them and to see them be crisp.
I said that he had really great action, but it

(05:10):
went in and out of it. He got a little
bit flat footed. That means that when it gets a
little bit heavy, when it loses that bounce the lightness, basically,
your heels just kiss the floor. They don't even ever
really stay on it unless you're hitting into a line.
During those bounces and the kicks and flicks and the
charsseis and the triple steps, everything should be very very
light on the feet with the heels kissing the floor.

(05:32):
He did have lovely nose over toes, I will say that,
and his position and their drive was really coming through
his core. But it did just get a touch heavy.
I also wrote in big shoudy capital letters, good lord.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Which I'm sure you can all agree and imagine.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
That was the abtastic section in front of the judge's table.
Highly appreciated, loved this from them. The judges gave it
an eight nine to ten nine. I landed on an
eight simply because he had great action. But we did
have a few mistakes in there, a misshand connection, and
it did get for me. Another note was a little
bit wide in the bass. I think because he's tall,

(06:09):
that's easily done. He needed to work more to the
inside edges of his feet, the inside action of his legs,
which is hard to explain in voice, but it's where
you feel like there's always a rubber band around your
knees pulling your legs together, and everything needed to be
just a little bit tighter. But it was a really
well done jive and again seeing that proper execution with
the isms that a true ballroom dancer would do, I

(06:32):
like dance geek out over that and I love it,
so I love what they're creating. It was an eight
from me okay getting into vow and alex I was
giggling at Val in his box braids, which absolutely Jenda
did for him. I thought it was actually really cute
on him. First word, I wrote fire. I thought this
was a fantastic dance from her, and I think potentially,

(06:52):
other than Maleficent, maybe one of my favorite dances of her. Judges,
let's go to Judges first. Bruno said, the passa dooblay bombshell,
sexy as hell, like two predators.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Challenging each other.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Now why that's a great note, and I want to
stay on it for a second. Is the passadoblay It
sort of is two predators. At some point, it's a
matador and a bull. At some point it's also a
matador and a senorita, or a matador.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And a cape.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
But my coach used to always say to me, never
take your eyes off the person that you're dancing with,
like you don't trust them, Like even when you turn away,
you're looking over your.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Shoulder to try and find them.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
You never ever take your eyes away for longer than
a fraction of a moment when you turn because you
are always trying to see where they're at. Think matador
and bull in the arena. And so I really appreciated
that comment. And I do feel like we got that
from Val and Alex, that real intention, connection, chemistry, intensity
between them.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
So I really appreciated that.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Carrie Anne said, you are in your fierce Girl era.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Heck, yes she is.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
She set the standard for the three passos that were
coming for the night. It was strong and it was grounded,
and she was raving about this. Carrianne was going on
loved it, and she said, people don't understand the boots
the heels, the skirt, all of it can throw you off,
and it was just amazing. She did a really good
job at it. She's right like those things are. Just
because Alex made it look easy and cohesive, it does

(08:12):
not mean that that was easy. That is a lot
to manage, the hair flying around, trying to get the
skirt moving. If you don't do it right, it gets
all weird, like there's a whole world of things that
are happening in there that she managed really really well.
Derek said, amazing rock and roll goddess. And she was
just so in control, which you could see that she
felt very much in control of her movement. And flav said,

(08:33):
you know what I'm saying about three times and then
he said the timing was great, which I felt her
timing was great except for one tiny moment. So what
I said, amazing content, absolutely fabulous, routine and true to
the style. I really appreciated that from vow. Her shaping
was stunning. Now pass the Dope Lake.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
You have a higher center.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You feel like your hips are forward and your center
is higher, and you're trying to be as tall as
you can, but you definitely have that of a curve
in your back with your hips being more forward, you
are not necessarily those overtoes in this you are much
more like pelvis overtoes, if you want to think of
it that way. And it's the idea of trying to
make your legs look absolutely as long as possible, so

(09:15):
as a mattador you see more intimidating to the bull.
I thought that was a really wonderful thing that she did,
was getting in that shaping and pulling up her core.
Beautiful lines, beautiful passion, and I loved the use of
the skirt.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
What I did.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Find is that when they were in the partnering stuff,
I'd love to see more roundness in her back. Now,
if I compare this to a passo that comes a
little bit later in Whitney and both of them were
very much on the same level to me, but they
have differences. So you'll see when Whitney and Mark do
their passo and we'll come back to them. But there
is a little bit more space and resistance in between
the bodies as they're doing the choreography where they're in

(09:51):
like an open frame. And what I find when looking
at alex and Val is she doesn't necessarily have that
resistance and space. So it feels to me that she's
not working into the roundedness and of her back in
trying to push into Vow's arm that is on her back.
You know, she needs to use that connection point just
a little bit more. And I find that we're also
seeing that in her ballroom. So that's something for me

(10:12):
I really want to see moving forward from her is
working into that outside edge of the frame, working into
Vow's hands, working onto the outside edge of that energy
so they can create better momentum and they can get
a longer stride and more power in what they're doing.
All Way also said that she had a tiny music bite,
so they switched from using beats to lyrics. I don't remember.

(10:33):
We'll give it a shot. Gear shot I think was
the one. But she bit on it just a fraction,
just the tiniest of a fraction.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
But it was only the one moment. Everywhere else was good.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
And then the ending I was like, oh, the ending
out she like her bum hit the floor and then
she landed on hip and knee. I would be surprised
if she did not have bruises. Now, I don't know
if she could have actually done anything about that. I
think it was just like how far away they were
from each other, or it could been that her arms
went too straight and so therefore there wasn't the resistance

(11:04):
for Vow to actually keep her off the ground to
get momentum and swing. So something went just a little
bit of miss there in that very end with the
slide onto the ground and the twist into the final position. However,
they did a fantastic job and I absolutely loved it
because with all that being said, I was almost a
ten on this one, you guys, but land I said
nine to ten, and I feel like I landed on

(11:26):
a nine. But I could easily have given it a
ten because all these notes that I'm giving is not
that anything was wrong with it, They just honestly ways
to improve.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
She really did everything right.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
The only mistake was the tiny little bit of the
timing bite and whatever went wrong with that end position.
Val and Alex doing a phenomenal job once again, Vow
being an absolute beast at his job and getting her
to grow every week. It's just amazing and she really
looks like she throws herself into it. And this is
something Carrie Ane said last week of you know, respect

(11:58):
and coming to the game.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
This stuff is hard.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
And Alex could very well be a twenty something privileged
millions of millions of followers, probably lots of money, like
not want to try hard and you can see she's
in there with the blood, sweat and tears. Zero complaints,
Push me harder, give me vintage voul, like I have
a mad respect for a young woman that could walk
into a room and wants to do that. So I
love this. I was big impressed. Oh sorry, the judges

(12:23):
gave it a ten ten to nine ten, and I
would say that I landed on a well you know what,
I'm not committing I'm a nine slash ten. Okay, let's
move into Andy and Emma. This is my favorite dance
you guys that he has done. I mean, come on now,
with the story between the two of them, I just
it was heaven. Carrie Anne said, beautiful tribute teaching people

(12:44):
who don't know how to dance what it feels like
to learn how to dance. I thought that was a
really sweet comment, and it really profound the way that
he embraces every moment of this and it's just so
heartwarming to see. And I agree on all points. No
dance knows there to really get into. I think it's
simple and beautiful and what she said and correct, and
I agree. I love watching him and I think is
showing you all what it feels like to learn how

(13:06):
to dance, even if you feel like you can't do it.
Derek said, thank you for embracing this. Dances can Oh.
I loved this one from Derek. Dance is a mirror
and a hammer at the same time. And he feels
like we're seeing him break open. What a beautiful, beautiful,
just lyne or quote from Derek, and I really agree
with that. Again, I think it's self explanatory. I think

(13:27):
we've seen more from Andy, and I loved seeing this
side of him, this like very emotional, not trying to
be funny and performing and leaning on those things, just
really getting into it. I loved it. It was beautiful. Flave said,
good job, everything was on point. Bruno said it was
charming and tender with a childlike honesty. So agree, relatable
and here's the people's champion.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
That he is.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So I said, of course, I'm looking for dance notes.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
He listen.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I loved the whole thing, the package. I'm already emotional.
Everything was great. There was one of the lifts where
he picked her up and he went to turn the
wrong way, and then he corrected and turned back the
other way. But this is what I wrote, I'm crying.
I love this partnership so much. He supported her in
the lifts really lovely, and I love the armwork that
they did.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
He really had.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Intention going to his fingertips this week, and I thought
he was pretty steady on his feet.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
His timing was nice.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
And then I wrote at the end of this, I
was like, hold on, is this Emma's second mirror Ball?
Because listen, I won with an Andy and people love him,
and I see.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
The response to him.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
We talk about this and I get it, and Bruno
said it, here's the People's Champion. Bobby and I won
in a season when it was stacked with talent. It
was stacked the finale, which was five people all the
other four of them could dance, could dance brilliantly. It
was as stacked as this season my low, I mean,
forget it. It was just the most incredibly high level

(14:50):
of a season. And yet it was Bobby, the People's Champion,
who came through with the human experience in showing people
as Carrie Anne said, who don't know how to dance,
what it's like to learn how to dance the heart.
I'm just saying, you, guys, for the haters, you might
want to prepare yourself that it is a distinct possibility.
He goes all the way and takes it home. And
for those of you who are voting for Andy and

(15:10):
love it. This is what the show is about. And
I totally get it, and I understand your vote. Emma
and Andy, I love.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
You all right.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Coming into the scores for Andy and Emma, the judges
gave it a seven, seven, nine, seven, and I listen,
I landed on my highest score that I have for
him the whole season. I was in between a six.
You guys, I almost went a seven. I almost went
a seven because I loved it so much. I was
crying at the last moment. It's very much what that
dance was supposed to be about. I'm not committing, I refuse,

(15:39):
but I'm in a six and a seven, and I
loved everything about it. Okay, getting into Whitney and Mark,
we just touched on them briefly, so they're doing a
passa doble, a second passer of the night. Let's get
into what the judges said. Derek said, the ballroom is
on fire, classic edgy, perfectly entangled. Then he gave this
torso example of how she had this contraction and exture

(16:00):
in it, and it was a delicious moment in her dance.
Absolutely agree. Flave said, charisma and moves and timing were
all great. Bruno said, ferociously intense, artistically exquisite, and.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Then he landed on that for a second.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
He said, well he wants to say about that is
that the placement of the passadoblay was in the exact
precise Spanish lines. Now, Whitney even more than Alex had
this passo posture that high core and center going up
to like closer to in between the rib cage, hips forward,
elbows up. Now here's a difference that you can go

(16:36):
back and compare. When Alex is using her skirt, her
elbows are actually a little bit more collapsed and close
to her ribcage. What you're supposed to feel like with
your elbows, my coach used to say, is pretend that
there are pegs with strings on your By the way
there's on your elbow is called your wenus. If you're
a child like me, I giggled at that for a
very long time. The skin on your elbow is pegged

(16:56):
and there are strings that are pulling it up to
the up to the ceiling, so it was always pulled
back and up, so even when you're using your skirt,
your elbow is wide and away from your body. And listen,
Whitney crushed that. But she really crushed that passo posture
and the shaping and the lines and the elbows up
and out. I very very much appreciated that attention to detail.

(17:18):
Had that in spades, and this is exactly what Bruno
was talking about, like all of it was the correct
Spanish lines. We get into carry Anne. She was called
her sick, which for anyone that's you know, not my
age and young and is younger, that's sick is a
very good thing.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't think you guys say that anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Carrianne said it was sick and amazing, but that it
lost its balance mostly because she was doing the shaping
with so much intensity. And yeah, she's right, there were
some stumbles in this. It wasn't the most solid into
the ground. And I agree on all these things. So
let's get into what I said. I was like fabulous
passo arms and shaping. First thing I wrote from out

(17:55):
the gate she was spectacular, and then I was like,
she's a little bit unstable in a couple of moments,
and yeah, that is just maybe dealing with the center
and the core being higher and a different placement where
not those overtes now where again like hips over toes,
I did say fabulous content. The timing was solid this week,
which I loved seeing from her. That is an improvement
from last week. And there was lovely space between them.

(18:18):
So this is what I was saying in comparison to Alex.
There was that real space between them. She was working
into Mark's frame, working her back into that to really
create that space and shape that we want to see
in the pasadobla. So she did a fantastic job at
all of that, that intensity and the literal tension and
resistance between their bodies as they're dancing and moving, you

(18:39):
can tell someone is leading, someone is following.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
We are in the right places.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
In the electric guitar solo moment, she was having a
little bit of trouble with her direction changes. This is
where she looked a little bit unstable for me, and
her shaping so she was losing the momentum on how
to keep changing her direction quickly because it's a very
specific way that we do things in ballroom. It's very
different to the way she would have ever learned in
commercial dance and what she was doing when she was younger.

(19:04):
So it did get a little bit unstable in that
moment for me as well. There was the ending stumble
that didn't I just didn't finish as strong as it started,
and I think one or two other moments where she
just doubled back on her feet. Now, again, we have
a very high standard for Whitney because of her dance training,
because of who she is.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
We also have a high standard for Alex we have you.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Know, it's just a thing that happens when people have
dance training. We tend to be tougher on them, and
I think that evens out the playing field. I did
say there was so much to love in this The
passo technique and the body was absolutely stunning and I
think unmatched as far as how well our celebrities did
in adapting to the technique. For the three that did passo,
I think she did the most incredible job, and her

(19:46):
texture was once again unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Her line's great.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
It was just those stumbles and that momentum looking a
little bit unstable in that section that for me had
it not being a ten. I wanted to give this
a ten, and I landed on a nine. The judges
ended up on a nine ten, ten, ten, so I
was in line with Carrie Anne this week. But I listen,
I fully understand how the judges got there for a ten.
This could have easily been the first perfect score of

(20:12):
the season. But for me, those little things just stood
out too much for me to give it a ten.
But listen, when she gets a ten, I will be
screaming for joy because she absolutely is good enough for it.
Getting into Danielle im Pasha, I'm already sad they had

(20:37):
a contemporary. It was beautiful. Let's get into what the
judges said. Flave said it was great. He was looking
for timing in the unison and it was all on point.
Bruno said life can be hard, stay resilient. There was
a mess up, but she should be very, very proud
of it. Carrie Anne apologized for her words the week before,

(20:59):
which I think it was the tiny woman thing. I
don't know if people took it the wrong way. I
certainly didn't we address that last week, and it looks
like Danielle didn't either. She understands it, you know. She's
good things come in small packages, man, you know. And
I don't think she took any offense to it.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
She's said.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Carrianne said, contemporaries all about the storytelling, and she felt
that she got the chills and it took her to
a place. She complimented on the being what dance can
do transporting to you to another place and time, so
you're not in the ballroom, you're feeling a different moment.
And I do think we got that from Danielle, you know.
I think she was very much in her feels in
this and it meant a lot to her. So I

(21:34):
feel that that's what Carrianne was really watching and seeing.
But Derek, he says, we root for you. You radiate
beautiful energy and gave her lots of compliments on just
who she is as a human because it does radiate
out there. Her light is just so bright and wonderful.
He did say that it felt a little bit disjointed,
but well done. So one of the lifts felt a

(21:54):
little bit unstable. I think it was the one where
she like, it's not a cartwheel, but she flips up
over his life egg onto the back of his shoulders
and it had just a little bit of a wobble
and a double take in getting into it. But actually
funny that Derek said disjointed, that is the word that
I use. Something felt like it wasn't all connected to
the core of her body very much. With dance, everything

(22:17):
comes from the one place and it extends out. So
that tension and that connection has to be alive at
all times. It can't just be a move and an arm.
It has to come from the body that activates the
arm that activates the shoulder to the elbow, to the
wrist of the fingers. It all has to feel very
connected and purposeful. As I've said many times, moving through
quicksand if you were trying to dance in quicksand or underwater,

(22:41):
just try it. You have to activate your entire body
to do it. You have to activate your entire body.
If you're in a swimming pool just to move your arm,
your core is going to engage whether you know it
or not.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
And so with this dance, I.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Just felt like I wanted more of that, more of
the whole body experience, the whole body being activated and
into it.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It felt a tad sloppy.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Now that could have happened because there were so many
emotions in this for Danielle, and every now and then
we can see, we've seen it happen in the weeks
prior in the dedication night, that the emotion can override
a little bit, and so then we lose some of
the purpose and the body because it becomes about the
emotion we're feeling. And at the end of the day,
if this was the dance that Danielle went out on

(23:24):
and it meant so much to her, I hope it
was cathartic. I hope she absolutely loved her experience on
this show. I thoroughly enjoyed watching her. I feel like
she's one of those humans that I'm like, can we
just be friends?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, she's got that energy about her where you
just you.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Want to watch more, you want to see more, you
want to be around her, you want to talk to her.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And I love that and I think she brought that
out in her dancing.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
And I will say it sucks for Danielle because she's
in a season that is just so stacked with majorly.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
First of all, people that.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Have had dance backgrounds in some sort of way that
are highly animated when go out there on that dance floor,
you know, or a gymnast, it's doing flips and tricks
like There's just so many in this season that could
easily win it. And then you have an Andy who
is on the other end of the scale, but the
personality and the things that he's winning people over with

(24:15):
it unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Left Danielle in the middle.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But I guarantee you any other season we could have
seen her all the way into the final. But I
will say everything happens as it's meant to. She had
the journey that she was supposed to have. And Danielle,
I hope that you get to the end of this
and once the sting goes away, that you can see
everything you did was exceptional and you can be incredibly
proud of yourself because I'm proud of you and I
don't even know you. It was beautiful watching your journey.

(24:41):
The judges gave it a nine eight nine to eight.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I landed on an eight.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Moving into Elaine and Alan Viennis whilst we had her
back in the ballroom, which was absolutely wonderful. Let's get
into it nice and quick. Bruno said it was sumptuous.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Did I write that word? Elegant?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Lie flowing, you know how to sell it. And once
again her performance quality just sensational. Carrie Anne said she
feels familiar, she speaks her language, she feels like she
knows who she is when she dances, which I think
was really all about carry Anne honing in on that
authenticity that we see from Elane when she's on the floor.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
There is genuinely just something.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
About that woman when you watch her that you're captivated
and it feels truly authentic, and she's just truly in it,
and she's got just enough of a background in it
to be able to just let herself leave it all
on the floor and not overthink the things. She really
goes in performance mode and we get to see who
she is. I love that comment from carry Am. Derek

(25:38):
said she is resilient and radiant and remarkable and she
is an absolute breath of fresh air. Agreed on all points.
Flave said, you don't move like you were hurt. You
healed up beautiful and it was amazing. I agree with you, Flave,
so my notes were beautiful. Arms and texture, a lovely frame,
and she's done a really great job.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
And really great job by the.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Way of her spins are always really great. I know
we saw her in the package say she can't do
that many spins. I think that is because of her injuries.
She's just sort of getting through. But when she does,
now this is hard. You guys, watch the dance and
see how she will spin Alan will spin her in
and they will go directly into frame and they will
directly move into.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
A combination, no frame set up.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Her spin steps lead her into the steps of whatever
the pass or the choreography is for that dance for
Viennese waltz in this case, and I thought that was very,
very impressive.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Her footwork was lovely.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Even when she does her arms like this is what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
It's a whole body experience.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Not only does it come from her core all the
way to her fingertips. Her head released for a moment
on some of them because she was letting the energy
and the emotion come through all of her.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I thought that was absolutely exceptional.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Moving forward, what I would love to see from her
is a little bit more drive in the legs and
I don't know if we were held back a little
bit this week because of the ribs and that is
also quite possibly. So another one of my notes in
Vieniese Welts is we need a bit more drive, but
also sway now sway, and I can understand how we
didn't get it this week, but what we need in Viennese.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Weltz is sway.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's not rise and fall, it's when we're opening our
rib cages on either side, we're alternating between the rib
cages that were stretching.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
My coach used to say, it's like your rib cage
is yawning.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And so what we were missing was that stretch in
the sides as she was waltzing. And granted again it
was probably the injury, but I do feel like that
was something that we were missing as well as just
a little bit more drive. Now did I love this stance?
I loved this dance. The judges gave it a nine
to nine. Flave gave it to ten, and Bruno gave
it a nine. I was in line with the judges
and I gave it a nine. I think she did

(27:47):
a fantastic job, especially battling an injury, and I was very,
very impressed. I love I love Alane, I love Alane
and Alan and I can't wait to watch more of them.
Ezra and Jordan doing a jazz.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Let's get into the just straight away.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
So basically, Carrie Anne said that she is ballsy, she
takes risks and this one absolutely delivered. She loved the
back extension. In one of the sections, she says, amazing,
you're sick. I loved it. That's Carrianne's word for this week,
sick now. Derek said she is the Queen of the ballroom.
Tricks and flips were a ten. It was fantastic, and

(28:23):
Flave said it was nice and precise. He said he's
given it a fifty five, which we now know is
a ten. And Bruno said it was spectacular and it's
so good to see your wild side, little tinaternal wildness.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Listen. I loved this.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I also like Ezra in his package when he was apologizing.
I mean, he's such a sweetheart and I get why
he did, but this is how he's going to end
up being an absolute like beast of a pro. He's
going to take risks, he's going to try them, and
he's going to figure out how to do it better.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Next time.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
He is so creative and talented, and I appreciated the
risk that he took.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So what it didn't pay off, they survived. They're fine.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I think he's doing an amazing job, and I love
that he's taking risks.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I said, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's so clean, it's so joyful, it's executed beautifully, true
jazz content tricks obviously amazing and unreal. Now I had
originally when I watched this, I was like, that's a ten.
Because I was actually there backstage this week and I
was like, surely that's a ten. That was amazing, and
I had everyone around me and everyone's cheering for it
because she is very impressive. And then I saw the

(29:26):
scores and I was like, why are Derek and Bruno
are nine? So I watched it back today and I'm
in a nine to ten. Here's what I think. I
think we could have taken a few more risks this
week with what I would love to see from Jordan
is a little bit more intricate choreography, because I think

(29:46):
she can handle it. She's handled some incredible things.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Maybe Ezra wanted to keep it clean and tight and nice,
and I totally get that. Too, but I felt, oh,
as far as the jazz content goes, now, the tricks
are unbelievable, out of this world.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Who else can do them?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
But the actual jazz content, now, while true to form
absolutely authentic, felt like it was a little simple in
its jazz content and its musicality, and I would have
loved to have seen maybe a little more on that.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Now was it executed well? It was executed brilliantly.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's why I was like, that's a ten, right, no notes,
no mistakes, And even in saying that, there's no real
notes to the judges on how to be better, no
notes from Derek on how to be better or Bruno.
But I understand how they'd landed on a nine because
I feel like we could have seen more intricacies in that.
So then I landed on a nine to ten and
I'm not going to commit because I don't have to,

(30:37):
but I'm in between a nine and ten. But she
did execute it perfectly. I think I just wanted a
little bit more of.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Something from it.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
So hard to say that to Z because last week
he did the most and he's probably trying to be
safe this week. But that's the name of the game.
Man so yeah, the judges were a ten nine, ten nine,
and I landed on a nine ten basically in the
middle of all of them, Robert and Whitney doing a
passidob lay. Let's get straight into the judges. So Derek said,
he dominated, and he owned the arena, which is the

(31:07):
mattador in the arena. Yes, we want that. The cape work,
the knee walks, all of it was amazing. But there
was just a little hiccup. I believe it was at
the beginning somewhere, and Flave said he is the new
Fred Astaire. Loved it perfect, amazing, Bruno said, thunder from
down under. I'm sure his mum and the audience would

(31:28):
have absolutely appreciated that reference theatrical beginning. He absolutely loved
that with the flags amazing, loved the classical interpretation, which truly,
once they got down on the floor, there was a
classical interpretation of Passado Blay, true to style, true authentic content.
Carry and said it was incredible choreography and content. And

(31:48):
then she also said to Robert, you have a momentum
at the right time. This momentum is going to take
you all the way to the end. And she is right.
He's ramping up the right time. He started off strong.
He had a little hiccup in the middle, which reminds
us he's human and he's not actually a dancer.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Now we've seen him grow through this.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
His story, his arc on this season is like winning material,
is what I'm saying. I'm not saying he's the best dancer,
certainly not. He is up there, but his story, in
his arc, it is exactly the thing that can win
this show.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
And that's what Carrion means.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
His momentum, where he is at right now, is perfectly
lining him up for that mirror ball. She did say
there were teeny tiny wobbles at the top, but who
cares because the rest of it was amazing. He should
be very proud of it. They were teeny tiny wobbles.
So the first thing I wrote with the Derrek Huff special,
I think it was Derek that used these flags the
very first time. This image right of the walkway, the red,

(32:42):
the flags, the thing. This is the way we saw
Robert start. This is very much a Derrek Huff vibe
inspired and I loved it. I thought it was great,
and I thought that Robert lived up to it, and
he did a fantastic job, very in sync, but I
did say there were tiny wobbles. He had lovely shaping
and key areas, but it was by no means as
consistent as.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
What we saw in say Whitney.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
And he'd had lovely shaping and lovely power throughout, just
like fabulous intensity from him truly, and you could see
he was getting those hips forward in those key areas.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
He was really trying to lift up his center, especially.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
In some of his lines. He did have a bit
of a foot fiddle at the top. I don't know
if he turned late or if he was supposed to
turn late, could have gone either way.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
His hips were a little too far back.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
On his knee walks, those knee walks when he's down
and very self explanatory, he's on.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
His knees, he's walking forward.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Those hips are meant to be much further forward, and
it actually makes the momentum of it much easier. But
he's were a little bit too far back. And when
they were doing this opposing section where they're sort of
opposite each other, somewhat mirroring each other, his hips were
also a little bit far back.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
We got back into a booty out situation.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So I, however, notes aside, absolutely loved this from him,
and I thought, you know, Whitney is right. We're comparing
him to the males that danced right, and once again
when we're talking about ballroom dancing, he doesn't have as
many flourishers in this dance where when you're watching Whitney
and Alex do a pasadobla, they're doing all the turns
and all the team they're being thrown and they're being

(34:10):
whatever it is, they're doing the flourishers and the extra
exciting stuff where the man is incredibly stable and doing
the lead. And Robert did do a very good job
at that. Now, he may not have had as complicated
as choreography, or it may not look like he was
necessarily doing as much, but he really was doing a lot,
and I felt like what he did he executed really

(34:31):
really well. So the judges gave this a nine to
nine ten ten. I actually landed on a nine. I
almost went to an eight because I felt like it
wasn't as complicated, but I also felt like that wasn't
as fair because what he executed and what he did,
he did a fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So I was very impressed. So let's call it an
eight nine.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
We're in between eight nine, but really I think much
closer to a nine. They're doing a good job, you guys.
Whitney and rob It Okay, that was our love couple
for the evening. Now we are heading into the team dance,
so let me just say team dancers, right. The name
of the game here is first of all, in teamwork
and working together and creating a cohesive dance where it's

(35:12):
not about one couple. One thing is about finding what
everyone can do together, the things, the tricks of the trade.
What really makes a team dance exciting is the transitions
between formation to formation. Right, So, whether you've got four
couples on the floor and one peels off and you're
left with three, however you do that, However you switch
in and out of having group into solo, however you

(35:34):
guide the camera because you very much in this get
to guide the camera.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
This is on you guys.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
You get to do the whole pitch because it's a
group number. So it's not just one couple that our
amazing director Phil is trying to get into. He's got
to understand what he's looking at and how you're planning
on moving everyone around the floor and making sure everyone
sees what they're meant to see. So I felt like
one team did a really good job of this. And

(35:59):
then it's also about layers, right, so you don't just
want one couple dancing at a time. What are the
layers in the background, what's everybody doing, How are they
getting out of the way, how are they coming back in,
how are we supporting each other within it? I actually
really liked before we get into the individual team dancers,
I actually really liked that we had Alfonso and Juliane in.
I think it changes it up. Man, It's fun to
have them add into that to give it a little
bit of a different flavor. I don't think we've ever

(36:20):
done that before, and I thought that was really cute. Obviously,
both of them can dance amazingly, so it's not like
it hindered anything, but I thought it was a really
cute touch.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Do I think we need it every time?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
No? I think it was helpful because it was four couples,
so four and four can some to four can just
be a sticky number to stage because you always have
an empty middle, and having that extra person in there
I think actually made it the staging of it much
more balanced. Okay, let's get into the actual teams. So

(36:52):
we had Team Chicago, which was Alfonso's team. Let's get
into the judges. First, Flave said it was the bombed.
Bruno said it was a Quentin Tarantino movie, slick and
cool and he loved it. Carrie Anne said it was
so tight, so clear. Loved all of the features, features
being when everyone had their solo moments. Derek complimented the

(37:13):
dance diversity and that he loved it. So, yeah, we
had tango, we had foxtrot, we had gymnastics, we had
they were changing it up in there. I think Ezra
did a little bit more of like an Argentine tango
vibe in there. So I really loved that it wasn't
all just the same styles and it wasn't just like
fun jazz. They really bought something different to the table
for all of them, and then they had really great
group sections with each other as well. I said it

(37:35):
was very in sync the whole way through, very very clean,
great transitions. I like the way that they peeled between,
whether it was someone playing up to the camera before
you saw the next thing. I thought they did a
fantastic job of directing us around the floor. We knew
what we were supposed to be looking at. Nothing felt messy.
Everything was tight and right, and the layers of what
was going on in the background, I really appreciate it.

(37:56):
If you go back and look at it. No one's
just sort of standing around the background. It all has
to do with what's happening in front of them. It
all has an amazing cohesive look to it. And I
thought it was really well done, really well thought out.
The formations were great, the staging was great. It didn't
feel repetitive. You know, it was changing formations throughout, which
is very fun and necessary. Otherwise as a watcher you
get bored. Super clean, great content, And then I giggled

(38:18):
at Whitney being the one that was like counting all
the celebs through their solo.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Section when they were dancing with Alfonso.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
You could see her counting the five, six, seven, eight
and wrist wrist and doing the cues, and I thought
that was very cute. They the judges gave this a
ten ten ten ten. I absolutely landed on a ten.
I wants not to love about this dance and it
was executed very very well. Then we move into team

(38:51):
cool judges said Bruno so much fun. Loved the celebration
of friendship. We're all in this together, and he said
something along the lines of, well, you all play our roles,
but we're really all in this together.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And he's right, we all love what we do. Something
like that.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know, the judges, it's not that they're playing a role.
They're being authentic, but they have to be a judge.
But at the same time, they love everything that they
see on this floor. Now you have to understand anyone
judges give critiques, they still love seeing people out there dancing.
They love dance at the end of the day. And
I think that was very much what like Bruno was
trying to touch on. You know, we all play our roles,
but this is a celebration of dance and friendship. We're

(39:26):
all one family. We're all in this together. And I
thought that was really cute. Carrie Anne said the audience.
She tried to talk but they wouldn't let her, and
she was like, Yola mean, she tried to talk about
like when they were partnering each other, and then she
just bounced out because she was getting booed. And it's
just like you want to let a person talk, man,
you know, and she's had some great critiques and sometimes

(39:47):
she's the only one giving an actual note. So we
need to allow her space and time to talk. And
so then we get into Derek, and he said the
others were a little bit tighter, but he loved all
the camaraderie, all the energy, all the things about it,
the celebrat of friendship, which totally you can see that
it really was.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
They had an absolute blast.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
If I had to choose which team dance I wanted
to be in, just for the experience, I would totally
choose Team Cool. Flave said cooler than four Blocks of
Ice Cool. I said, good Lord, I love Andy from
the package. Good Lord, I love that man. I love
watching him such a fun story. I thought Jeweles looked
beautiful in it. I always love watching her dance. I

(40:26):
said the background layers weren't great. They were a little
bit simple, repetitive, and I think they could have been
thought out better. I think they could have had better
staging and camera transitions that they just weren't as creative,
you know, they weren't as thought out. I think I
didn't leave as much space for Phil to do cool
things with it for us to as an audience member,

(40:47):
be transported around the room to see the things we're seeing,
and there was a really cute busby moment.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I've done a lot of Team Dancers. One of my
favorites was Team Nightmare. I also Bobby Bones's season. We
did the Cowboy the Country one, which was fantastic. There's
a bunch that I've done now always because I learned this,
by the way, from watching Derek when I was in
his Team Dancers. I think we talked about this first episode.
I always when I was in a team dance. Then

(41:14):
from there my absolute game plan, I will take care
of staging because I'm actually very good at that. I
know how to work with cameras, how to move us
around the room, how to create cool transitions so things
wipe the screen and you're suddenly revealed with something. It
makes it exciting, especially when the actual choreography needs to
stay relatively simple so our celebrities can stay in sync

(41:34):
and clean. And so I feel like if you ever
get a chance to go back and watch some of
the older Team Dancers, you'll see a lot more that
we're the ones where Derek was in or I was
in where those staging things happen, and it really elevates
it to another level. We saw that in Team Chicago.
I think we were missing that a little bit in
Team Cool. You know, we miss traveling through you can

(41:57):
use all parts of the room, and I think it
just felt a little bit more simple than it could
have been.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So I was actually in between an.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Eight and nine, really leaning more towards an eight, but
the judges gave this.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
A nine to ten ten nine.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Then we get into the elimination and it was Danielle,
and you could see she knew. She knew it was
going to be her. It's a crazy thing, by the way,
when you're on the show. I always knew when I
was going to go home. I woke up that Monday
because we used to record on Mondays, and I just knew.
I knew that I needed to pack my bag so
I could fly directly to New York because I was

(42:30):
going home. I also, you know, on the seasons, when
I got second or in the final, I woke up
and I just knew that we weren't going to win.
I did not, however, see it coming that Bobby and
I were going to win. So I will say that
my intuition dropped on that one. That you know, I
could see it in Danielle's face, and I again I
said it already, but I hope she had a wonderful time.

(42:51):
It was wonderful watching her. I am just beside myself
with excitement to celebrate twenty years of Dancing with the Stars.
Coming up next week, we have Tom bergeron as a
judge on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
What a trip. I think he's going to be great.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I'm just so incredibly excited to be there, so grateful
to have been a part of it for such a
long time, really sitting in gratitude of being able to
do this for you guys and be a part of
it in that way, and it's just been wonderful. So
I can't wait to bring you in the fourth chair
next week.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But until then, thank you for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I love you all, and again, if you have any questions,
leave me in the comments and I will try and
get to them.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Bye, everybody.
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