It's About The Tone w/ Patrik-Ian Polk & Devere Rogers

Acclaimed 'Noah's Arc' creator Patrik-Ian Polk and Brandon's bestie join to talk about life-long friendship, legacy and representation. Plus, Brandon and Devere dive into Love Island and The Ultimatum before sharing their friendship origin story. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
He drove me home. I lived in West Hollywood at
the time. He drove me home. We were sitting in
his car outside my apartment and he said it again.
You know, I find you sexually enticing, right, but I'm
you know, straight, So for anything that happened, there has
to be a woman involved. And he said, I have
somebody in mind, and I'm just like, in the back
of my mind something just said, just say yes, yes, okay.

(00:25):
And then we literally never got there because within a
week his birthday came up and I had him over.
Let's just say, and then we had sex.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know what, this is a safe space to talk
about relationships, love and sex. Now let me tell you
something messy. Well, welcome to the show essentially today. You know,
usually I talk to you about messy things before I
introduced the guests. But my guess is here all ready
here discusting, y'all. Divere Rogers is back. As you know,

(01:07):
Davi is one of my besties. We've investies for twenty years. Disgusting.
We just met two years ago. Because we are young,
We're very young, youthful. The skin is given, the skin
is don't crack. I got this almond and butter.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I see it, you see it, I see it reflected.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
That's a little bit of product.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's okay, a little help, a little help. We need
a little help, a.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Touch, a taint, A taint of, a.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Taint of health, taint of you know, because it is
a little a little taint of.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The show is already a wreck already. The messy thing
I want to talk about is actually a couple of things.
One is I I can tell you this bestI well,
you knew a little bit about this, which is that
I had to take some rest, some much needed rest
last week. So I was supposed to keep working all week,
and I decided to take a bunch of mental health
days because the world is the world and life is life,

(02:17):
and so I was like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm gonna take a break.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And so what I did on that break was catch
up on Love Island. Now, if you if you now listen,
ladies and gentlemen and theyse and them's if you're listening
and you don't know what Love Island is, stay with me,
because Devier also doesn't no clue, no clue, no clue.
So we're gonna I'm gonna fiel you all in and
and I do not suggest that you get into Love
Island because I there are there's like an episode every

(02:43):
night essentially.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, it's like it's a it's a daily commitment. I
was like the voice, like the voice, Oh my god,
how is Christina? Oh baby? That was seasons is I
haven't watched the come on.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Soup Snoop well you know Snoop does love some other
goodbye oh my. But anyways, so somebody was like, I
need to watch Love Island, and I got to, like
episode nine, and I was freaking out because this thing
comes out every night and there are twenty two, twenty
three episodes in the last night, of twenty four episodes,

(03:22):
episode between four drop last night, and I.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Did watch all sixteen I watched.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I got from episode nine to twenty four last How
long are theyre? They thirty minutes? But no, they.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Are sometimes sometimes now and a half love But I
will say, here's here's the gag. There's one episode a
week that is like the recap, and I skipped that.
But here's the setup for Love Island. Basically a bunch
of singles all under twenty five. I think maybe there
won't be a twenty yearly Youth the youth in their twenties. Uh,
and they come to this island looking for love. It's
like five boys five girls like that. And then over

(03:53):
the course of time they couple up and there are
and these couples. It's kind of I honestly think it's
a little polyamorous because they can.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
They can check other connections. They take each other for
qute unquote chats.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
But then periodically a bombshell shows up and that's like
a new girl or a new boy and function up
because you were in this couple, but now here comes
to battye be the baddie, want to be with your
original stuff like that, you know what I'm saying. So,
but it's it's it's listen him. They feel like my

(04:25):
new friends. Oh wow, because they just be talking, like
if you want to come into my apartment and watch me,
watch and you be like, what the fuck is this
because they just literally just key talk.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
They just be talking.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
They do challenges, they do challenges, they do and the
horneus of challenges, That's what I'm saying. Because America don't
like to talk about sex, you know, but this is
one of the most hornious shows I've ever witnessed. They're
always having to make out with each other, they're having
to ride each other, that much work each other. They
had to dominate last night they were dressed up as
dogs and what.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
So these challenges, in these in these things, do you
get points there you get winning awards or money.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Or they Well, I think I think the couple.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm not sure, and y'all tell me this because you
know I'm confused, but I think at the end of
the season, the couple that lasts, like who has the
lasting connection wins the money. I don't remember how much
money it is. They don't really remind you every week,
but you get points where you're trying not to get
dumped off the island because you really want love love
if you end up single from a challenge, because they'd

(05:23):
be they'd be giving you odd numbers. So if you
end up single in the channel, you might single, and
you might get dumped from the island.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Girl.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
The way they these boys and girls off the island
love and they be making them, They be making the islanders.
The islanders choose who gets to go home. Girls, So
like you and I are key King, we're friends or whatnot?
And then I gotta vote you off.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
All the shows and once it's beautiful people, They're stunning.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now this is the thing they are actually, it's just
like and they give them slow mo camps all the time.
And then the main host, Ariana Max, they give her
a slow moke camp. The name doesn't bring Thank you
so much, thank you so much, thank you for asking. Please,

(06:17):
because the people at home are also confused. They don't
know are An amadis. From what I understand, she's from
vander Pump Rules. Do you remember when there was that
big scandal that broke out with the.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Girl show Tom. Yes, never watched that show, but absolutely
and Tom was on Traders. Yes, Tom was on Trade.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So Tom cheated on Ariana with her best friend, that
is yes, And so now she's the host of her Listen, honey,
was the checks baby cheat on me because you give
me a.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Baby on Thrice.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Qua Throb Because let me tell you one thing, the
checks will need checked out.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I will build my whole empire bullshit.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Absolutely anyways, so she uh so she's the host.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't know where I am in this.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
All I'm saying is the I want to say this
because I don't know what when this comes out. By
the time this episode comes out to y'all listening, it's
gonna be like ten more episodes that came out of
Love Island.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
But I am team Orlandria.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Okay, dark Skin Batty.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Wait, let me show you Photolandria.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
That is the from She from She from Alabama. Yeah,
that's one of my people. I'm gonna show you Landria.
And Shelley is another baddie.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
These are my dark Skian batties.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And there was one girl who came in. She was
there for like two seconds, and there was Coco. I
find the show really calming. I find it really.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Restorative, restored it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Because because the other thing is I'm so glad to
not be twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five.
Shout out to those of you who are, because you're
figuring out love still in life and life and you're
figuring out what you put up within a relationship that
you don't and some of them, like Alandria, was trying
to see this guy Taylor, and Taylor's also I think

(08:07):
he's from Texas. He's but like Taylor is so clear
to me from the beginning, Taylor wasn't as hyped as
he should be about an.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Aalandria, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
But Alandry can't see that, and she's like, that's my man,
and I'm like, that's not your man.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
But I understand where you are because I've been there.
I've tried to make many a man who was not
my man, my man. Many people that this is my
man that was not my male man. You can tell,
by the way, because your man should be obsessed with you,
obsessed claiming claim.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Your man, your girl. You're them. They should be on you, you.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Proud of right on Rice brown On, but Taylor was not.
And so anyways, I don't know where that will land.
But some of the you just like see some of
the cracks and you're like, y'all a little too too
excited about this man. Most of it, I would say this,

(09:07):
most of them. I think the girls are too excited
about the boys. You'll see a lot of the heterodynamics
to a lot of the binary, a lot of the
like gender roles. I really want to get on there
because I've always said that I would love to be
a dick dola.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Now what I mean by that is, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
For those of you who would like to take a
bigger dick in your throat or your one of your
other holes. You know, I get those questions all the time,
and I try to explain it, but sometimes I wish
I could be there to see what's happening. Guy, Guy,
I want to be your guide, absolutely, absolutely, So the

(09:59):
other thing about to be as a dating dola, because
what I what I would like to do is like
be there and like play it back and be like, you.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
See how that man look at you, you don't want
you don't want you. You see that girl look at you,
She's not obsessed with you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I want I would I feel like I feel like
that'll be a great business a day.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Actually, just like watching people in their natural habitat for
a few days and then they play it for him
and say, you see that?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
You see that?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Do you see that? You see that? What you see
the material? You see it? You see that?

Speaker 6 (10:28):
It's probably you see you see he's cutting away, you
see cutting away.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
She's got into you. You see the syntheticness of this relationship. Honey,
we needed a lace front. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying. Anyways, So that's what are
you watching these days? I'm watching Ultimatum Queer Love. Now
we I don't know if I just say this one, you.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Know what, Okay, okay, okay, say what you say, what
you want to say with just just make it so
that it's still exclusive.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Here's some one to say.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
I haven't watched, and that's the best. That's the best.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Wa I haven't watched.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're telling me about Ltimatum Pere Love, you know.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
I will say that this season is very interesting. I
saw the first season, which was there ladies and their
ladies and.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
They're ladies and though they are all lesbians, it's all lesbians.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
This is the season to se season two. So the
first season I was really really good. This season, some
of the ladies are just a bit I don't know.
I just feel like they are they're they're trying to
be on the cameras see.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
And this is what we have to say.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
The girls, the girls and the boys, are they really
looking for love and they looking for a cameraton.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
They look at to I feel like some of them
are looking for cameraton.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, that's like this one.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
On the Zach Zach on Love Island.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I feel like he's he said he's a model and
that made me suspicious, made them queer.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Love going, I mean, it's going pretty good.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I mean, I think it's very fascinating, just the idea
of bringing your respective partner to a television show to
give them the ultimatum of are you gonna marry me
or not?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
And then those people wait, that's the premise. Yes, you
bring your partner, so the person you're already in a
relationship with, Yes, the.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Person you are a relationship with, and you give them
the ultimatum of we're either gonna get married or we're not,
or we're.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Gonna break up.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
And so they come to the show and there's five
couples till so ten people. Right they come there, they
break up, and then they start dating each other to
figure out who they want to be their trial wife.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
And so they have three weeks of a trial.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Wife, and then they and then that comes over, and
then they come back together to see if their partner
after this they learn so much about themselves in this
three weeks, if this new version of themselves is compatible
with their partner now, and then after that three weeks,
then they decide if they're gonna stay and marry their
partner or be with their trial wife or go home single.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
No no no no no.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
No no no no no, ma'am no, ma'am no, ma'am no, no.
I proble problems And I'm gonna watch the show because I.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Shook.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
My problem is, first of all, do not give me
an ultimatum, but marrying you are not saying, because I
don't do ultimatums. What are you talking about? And why
is marriage the pinnacle? Can't we just be in the
relationship exactly so?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And also, don't test me? He said, you please don't
test me?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
So you're gonna put me with a bunch of other
girls that I'm gonna start dating to see if I
want to marry you?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yes, And and the gag is the couples.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
They don't explicitly talk about it, but the couples are
not expected to like do anything physically with their trial wife.
But then there are some couples who are just like,
well I need to if I'm gonna really see if
you're my wife? Got And then the girls be mad
and before you buy the I'm like, why are you mad?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Really like these shows? What's wild is it's.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Like we culturally don't like to talk about polyamory or
non monogamy, and there's so much whatever around it. But
these shows are essentially some of that. They're not exactly that,
but like.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
They're playing with some of those rules.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
But also what they're kind of negating to me is,
of course you're gonna be the honeymoon phase.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, the honeymoon.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Phase is like the first year man.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Literally, like, of course, if I've been with you for fifteen,
twenty years, eight years, five years, and now you got
me with this hot bitch I just met a week.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Bab Yeah, baby, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take advantage
of that.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
They look shiny as fuck. As fuck, of course I'm
thinking I could. That doesn't tell me if we can
get through the trials and tribulations, quite honestly, and no shade,
because I don't know who is on ultimatum queer love.
If I'm bringing my partner and we both agree to
be on this show, we're not supposed to be together.
In my humble opinion, I agree, because why are we
having an ultimatum to begin with?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
That part?

Speaker 6 (14:55):
We should be able to figure this out with that.
A bunch of cameras, A bunch of cameras, involved with it.
But that's what I'm saying. But it's like that that's
why I think it's that because it's a TV show.
I feel like now a lot of these type of shows,
people are doing it for the show and not genuinely
like for the for their relationship.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Sure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
And so that's why it's fascinating to watch because I
feel like there are some of the ladies on there
or women on there who I feel like genuinely are
trying to figure it out, and then there are some
who are spitting the game and what they have to
do to get social media media. Absolutely you know what
I'm saying, and sometimes they work. Sometimes I don't like
the hustle either.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You gotta get the hustle.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
I do not not the hustle either. But it's just
like just for me, I'm just like, just be transparent
of why.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
We should go on one of those shows together. We should,
we should, we should pretend, we should.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Pretend to be a couple. This is kind of and
goes on one of those shows. I think we should
and I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
We I feel, but here's the deal, here's the pack love. Okay, Okay,
if we go on these shows, we have to agree
that we are there to function.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Up. I am there to be a reality show. I
have to be the llap.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
There to be you talking about I said my real
life on my reality I need to be developed.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I am dragging you hosting that confession you and I'm
smiling in your face.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Smiling your face.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
I can't wait to get to the reunion and say yeah,
I said it, Yeah I did. And for me it's
like everyone's I feel like realities. People are just like,
oh my god, the comments, the comments, the people. I
want people to I want people drag me. I want
people to talk ship. I will be there like yeah
about talking about that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's the thing you come in with as your real self,
which most of them do. The comments can be I
mean I had to because sometimes I be on the
threads following along and the people be the people being nasty.
Oh the people are and sometimes to be funny. And
I don't like when when they're funny.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It really because you're like, because I'm in terms of
reading you did that. You did that?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Please not on the public forum like this, But I
I would be down for people to talk to me
however they want to, because I know that I was
there presenting a certain perception as myself where as some
of them. And that's how I feel about Love Island producer, really,
that they're fucking with them psyches on all those reality
shows because they're like keeping them from certain information, they're
keeping them from their phone. I'm also curious they sleep

(17:18):
in the same fucking room.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I Love Island.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
They got like ten beds and they sleep with their
couple in the same room. Now one, I'm a snore,
so they girl, they sleep in the same room.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Could you imagine?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Could you imagine going away for weeks for five hours
and you sleeping in the same.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Room and walk out. They have to sorry, y'all, Sorry, production,
so sorry.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I didn't understand. Y'all actually make it very clear to me.
So I thank y'all so much for bringing me here,
but I'm gonna go. I can't do that.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Dump me off these please, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I can't do it. I can't do it. Wasn't y'all.
Y'all didn't make it clear. You didn't. You actually didn't
make your defense. There are seven seasons of the us A,
but I didn't see any of them. You just had accommodations.
You didn't.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
I didn't know accommodations met with everyone else I need to.
I didn't know love for growing up?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And why is that cameras I'm trying to sleep.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
This red dot is actually can you turn this red
dot off? Excuse me, Productions. I would break the fourth wall,
just like port you did in Housewives. Excuse me, production,
the way I would the way I would stay, would
hate the way I stay talking to production, the way
I would stay looking at camera, because right thing to

(18:44):
the because the way thing the way people say some.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Wild ship or they like one of the girls on
Love Island, God bless her. She fully crashed out in
like a way that I would have been like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
no no no.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Now here's the other thing. I will say.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is why we should be on the show together,
because if we were about to crash out, you know
I pull you.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yes, you have to pull you know you have to.
I will pull you. You pull me. Don't have me
because I know you well enough to know when you're
about to. I know when you're about to. I can
see it you and you see it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
But this is us in real life, like when I'm
out with friends and I hear like a stranger say
something in the wrong tone, I will run across.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
The room to be like, it's happened before, we've seen it.
We've seen it.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's happened where somebody says something wild because they drunk
or whatever, and I my friend, let me my friend
because I'm gonna tell you, sir, my friend will eat you.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Okay, well beat in your throat.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
So I would make sure that you would crash out,
and you have to make sure I don't crash because
the thing on these shows is they they're they're they're hungry,
they don't have their phoney been.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
There drunk, they're drunk.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
The producers are playing with what information they have, and
so it's easy for a tone.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
All I I need is a tone.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
When I tell you a tone, your tone is the
difference between whether we have a conversation or I beat.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Your ass all I need.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
That's why that's why we say watch your tone, baby,
watch your tone, Watch your tone.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I love I've evolved. So now now I ask to
repeat it. Can you say it again? What was that?
How did that?

Speaker 8 (20:26):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (20:26):
No, no, no, you didn't say it. That way the first time,
say that you said you're not.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
To say differently, You're like, say no, say how you did.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Just don't get make sure that you said it that way,
because he.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Was approval approval to say it the first time, saying.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, I don't like.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't like when the tone is slightly off. I
really that I don't know what that is. That is
that Georgia, Is that New York.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
I think it's at least, but I think it's black,
and I think it's just the the disrespect. It's because
I think particularly black people just disrespect.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
We don't like it.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
We don't like it because the country you.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
Be doing because the country do be doing it. So
we have to deal with it just existing in this country.
And so if I have an individual, you know, and
on top of the distance, then I really got to
get up in your ass.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
And what's really sad about that is I'll probably enjoy it.
You know what I'm saying, everybody, because because you would not.
This is why we want to be villains on the show,
because we're naturally I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Cool, hill cool. Better don't be yelling the fighting with
nobody at all.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
I literally just be laughing as.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
We are vibing. That's why if you give me, give
me a reason, baby, I'm going to enjoy. I don't scratch.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
I never scratch it. I never ever ever scratched. I
don't never scratch it.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So baby, when you.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Get deep to the skin, baby, I might get I
might get some blood. Okay, that's how deep I'm scratching it.
So baby, So baby, please don't give me the reason.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
So please watch you.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Okay, Well, this is a lovely conversation, surely enlightening. And
you taught me so much about love Island. Now I
have to watch Island.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I have to watch Queer Queer quemato queer love great
because I was like, watch like queer ultimatum, queer love,
ultimatum queer love where they give you an ultimatum to
get married and they're queer and they're queer.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
But should it be ultimatum lesbians?

Speaker 6 (22:29):
It should love because they keep saying queer just because
they're ladies. But they haven't brought on men yet. And
I don't think any like any like trans.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's just ladies and season two ladies again. Yeah, yeah,
it should be lesbian love.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
That's what I think. Ultimatum, which is beautiful, which is gorgeous.
We'll talk to Netflix.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
By the way, welcome to the show. This is telling
me something, Messie. I'm your host, Brandon Kyle good Man.
I am here with my Bessie today. Most people call
me messy mom. They're going to call it messy Auntie,
but today you could call us the battye villains of mess.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Ultimatum.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Well that was lovely, Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So this episode is we've said is about friendship and
you and I have been friends for twenty years. We're
gonna talk to Patrick ian Polk, who is the creator
of uh nos arc later in the show about the move,
the movie and that show has been around for the franchise.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Do you call it property?

Speaker 6 (23:34):
I mean literally the ip that I mean has multiple
multiple coronavirus and the special.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah there was a coronavirus.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, there was the jumping the bro there's a new
movie and then it had two seasons. Originally it's it's
a franchise fise. So Patrick's gonna be here. We're going
to talk more about the movie and friendship. But you
and I have been friends for twenty years and I
wanted to talk about It's a little messy, but it's.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
The show is called Tell Me Something.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
You and I had a falling out, oh epic, and.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
We were really tight.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
We met when we were freshmen. We lived across dorms.
Did we tell this story already?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I don't. I don't think it again.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I met y'all there, and y'all were like, be
good Man because that was my that was my Facebook hands.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Was good but you had you had your little pop
calling with your fist.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Okay, okay, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Take that out, but I really did. It was in
my pop calls face. But yeah, my my Facebook name
because my nickname was B, and so I put B
and good Man and then everyone started calling me be
good Man as opposed to just be But you and
I had a falling out.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
You want to talk about what the falling out was about?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, son already.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
So so the falling out was me and B were very
close and.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
We for freshman year, we we got even closer.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
And so when it came to rooming in the housing
situation for sophomore year, me and B had a conversation
where we were like, we would be each other's roommates.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
We did, we did, we did, we would be each
other's roommate.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
We were living in the same dorm, and then we
needed roommates for the next year because when you're freshman, yeah,
they pick it for you.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
They pick it for you. You can choose, you can choose.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
And so I was very excited because I was just like, oh,
I get to I get to finally live because I
was living with white people and the time white people,
and I knew that if we were had a quad
or there would be white people involve, I would be like,
at least be your roommate, will be my roommate will.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Be it will be a nigga, and it would be fantastic.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Absolutely, And so as the this you did fully one
hundred percent agree, I agree to this. And so as
we as the freshman year's ending and we're getting into
sophomore year and this time for room and sign and
I'm like, B, so what're done?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Were we gonna stay at?

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
What did?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
And B says, well, I going to room with someone else?

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yes, yeah, who was my best friends.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
And so and so I was like, okay, you know
you agreed that we wouldn't remember any of this.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
You see, you see this is this is why.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Because because I ended up rooming a single I had
to at Palladium with these, with these, with these other
white men, and they were they It was had at
Palladium and I was and I had to be with
these other white men and they were the worst. They
didn't clean by themselves. I literally had to be. One
night they had a party. I came in and it

(26:49):
was it was ship everywhere, and I literally got a
pot and pan, just like to lease from Bager's Club.
Then I woke everybody up and I said, I'm not
your goddamn mama or your auntie or your nanny. Y'all
gonna clean this ship up. And I'm going in my room.
When I come back out, it better be spotless, right.
And I will say that these white boys, they they
didn't want.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Y'all. They say the party house cleaning up.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
So I ended up rooming with somebody else. Yes, And
so we were like no longer.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Speaking, We were not speaking. I it was that it
was a true staff to my heart.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, And I will say in my defense, in my defense,
I didn't really register that we were not friends.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I just want you to know, Yeah, when you're eighteen.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
You're not thinking right.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
And so we're rooming so we didn't see each.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Other because we're in different because studios.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Now we're living I'm living downtown and you're living in
uh Union Square.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
And then in our.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Junior year we reunited because we found ourselves studying in
the same class and.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
It was a small it was it was a small class.
It was a class of fifteen sixteen.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
And also, I want to give context, is in that
time that we did see each other, I was definitely
talking a lot of it about be good man very clear.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Again, I was.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Also young, you know what I'm saying, And people would
be like, oh, Beacon, and I'd be like, he's back ass.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
He lies you were.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was on student council and you were head of club. Yes,
and you were on our clubs and you never wanted to.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Talk to me.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
I never I said I would like to speak to
someone else. Can I do business with someone else?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I never understood. I was like, I don't know why
he's whatever. I I just want to be very clear.
I surely was, you know what, and I forgive you.
I forget That's why we're here twenty years later. But
I was.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
I was so I couldn't because honestly, I think too
I was so like it was my first time ever
truly being around that many white people and like to
have you. You were like my safe space. And so
when that didn't happen, I was just like he's dead.
To me, is how did you do that?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know? So that happened.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And the junior year, we were in the same class,
and honestly, Vere and I thought that we were doing well.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
You're over there, I'm over here and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like a weekend, our teacher pulls us into a meaning
meeting and she's basically like.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Because the teachers saying, y'all not talking to each other,
and we were like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Like literally, I think that's also what even though I
was missing him, the fact that we both were like
no and in that but when I said, this is
my friend forever, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Know what it was.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
I was just like the Patant girls were not a white.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Lady because because also like we were a p W,
I we're one of it's you me. I think Tracy
was in that class, not a lot of black people
in that class whatever, So I think there's there's a
part of us that is also even if we're beefing,
we understand the optics, and.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
So we're like, and what we're not going to be
is you telling the other teachers telling it is like
these two black boys.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So we were like, we're good. She was like, you're
absolutely not. Y'all look at each other, look at each other.
We're in this small won't even look at each other,
but we're we're what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
So like that was so us having to like be
better for our for our classmates, because this is why.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
We can be on the violin because they would feel
they would because we set the energy of the room.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, we're we're big personalities, and so I think us
not vibing, But then.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
We we we've rekindled.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
But we finally had this conversation maybe like a couple
of years ago, like why the fall happened, because we
found each other again and have been and it is
literally I didn't remember what the fallout was about until
we had that conversation at Tracy's house like three or
four years ago, and it was just such a The
beauty of friendship is that you can fall out, but

(31:14):
you can find each other, find each other again if
it's meant to be like that, And I think that
about just love in general, that sometimes love in the
same way that healing isn't linear, that love isn't linear, yeah,
and so that like you can love somebody and they
can you can part ways for a million reasons, yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
And then find each other and come back together. And
I think it also is a testament to growth and
also just learning more about yourself and also how to
communicate when you meet things, because I think that for
me it was that thing of just like, you know,
I don't think I actually communicated how much I needed
you then, or like how much I needed and I

(31:52):
didn't know you know what I'm saying, And like we
didn't know how to communicy. We didn't know how to
communicate to each other.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
The other piece that was also really important is that
like we were both in the closet, yeah, and I
think I didn't I didn't have the language articulate this
at the time. But the guy who I ended up
rooming with was straight. And I think that there was
a part of me that felt like if we roomed
together that we would be found out, yeah, or that
I would more selfish, that I would be found out,

(32:17):
that I would be like that there would be kind
of no denying that there was a queerness here and
I couldn't articulate that. So I ended up rooming with
like three straight boys yeah, which how that okay.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Which I know, which is which is also great, but
it's also but I think what's also crazy too, And
if and if I'm being very honest, I think that
when you because you also hooked up with my right,
I don't think you were.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I don't even I don't think.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
You either thought I knew or like I did not
think you knew. He told me the next day, and
so I was just like, oh so I don't. So
so for me was also that thing where I was
just like, oh my god, oh yay, this.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Is gonna be there were sisters, yeah yeah, and I
was not. It's also that that's also that piece like
where you where you just don't know who you are
and so you don't know. I don't think you know
how to pick your friends when you don't know who
you are, Like you can't see what a valuable friend
is because you're still hiding. Yeah, And I think I

(33:16):
had to. I think I think our fallout was necessary
because I had to go on that journey because sophomore
year eventually I did come out, but I think I
had to go on that journey to come out, which eventually,
then I would say, coming out and being pride are
not the same things. So like coming out and then
eventually finding that pride and then eventually finding our way
back to each other. Yea, and by that point when

(33:39):
we like really found a way to each other, think
you were also.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Out of the closet by that point. But it's like, oh,
we we just couldn't. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'll say I couldn't be a safe space for you
yet because I still wasn't honest about now honest in
the third word, I still wasn't comfortable with you. I was, Yeah,
but now you know, you have been the definition of
a friend, like you know, if you like, the textbook

(34:07):
definition of what a friend should be has been you.
Divier will show up to any event at any time.
You're like, girl, I don't know what the fuck this
is gonna be, was like, let's go. Divier has like
I've had birthday parties in Palm Springs that are like
weekends long. Devier has like driven up for like the

(34:28):
night or even the day to drive back, like you know,
a two three hour drive to just like go to
dinner and then drive back, Like divier is just like
who you want as a friend. When I think about
like friendship, it's the person who has your back, who
loves you, Yeah, who who isn't afraid to tell you
that they love you, who checks on you. And so

(34:51):
it's just been the greatest ancestral and universal gift has
been you coming back, like for us coming back each
other back because here we are twenty years later.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And I mean, I mean the store real stories, which
is always why it makes me nervous, you know, And
I talk about this on the show often, and I
talk about it because I do think that while we
place a lot of weight on romantic love, that community love,
friendship love is actually.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
To me, the ultimate.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh I agree that it is your community.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Shit, it is truly the ultimately Because like, even to
talk about twenty years and I feel like I've talked
to some of my other close friends and other friends
I've known for a very long time. It's like the
beauty about that is that we are continuing to choose
each new version of ourselves. Do you know what I'm saying?
Like that that is why a twenty year friendship is

(35:43):
I think the pinnacle versus like a romantic love, because
it's like I've seen all these fifty million versions of
you and I've still said yes to all of them,
you know what I'm saying. And I think that's the point.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
What's also been beautiful for me about that is for
somebody who I know, you've lost your father at a
young age, and I have lost physically lost my mother
or not physically, sorry, emotionally my mother when I was
twenty one or twenty two, and I remember like the
first little bit of success I had was so bittersweet

(36:17):
because I couldn't call.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Her about it.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And it wasn't like my mother per se that I
wanted to call, but somebody who had seen a lot
of the journey, right, the people who had been there
from the early stages to really you know, feel it.
And so it's been the beauty of these twenty year
friendships is like you've been around for so much of
my life and I've been around for so much of
your life that there is a that thing that I

(36:42):
longed for with a with a parent I get from
my friend is that they're there to witness you and
remind you that you're the.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Ship exactly when you're down, exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Hold you accountable and tell you do some fun. That's
one thing too, I Demir and I are we are
really not the villains.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
We're really not. But we will tell you the truth
absolutely every time. We love and compassion.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You got to have friends like that in your life
who will always tell you I don't want anyone to
bullshit me, anyone to like coddle me, like tell me
the fucking truth. And so like, I have these friends,
and what makes them the most important friends that they
are always willing to tell the truth, whatever it is.
Whatever I'm wrong, if I'm right, if it's in between, Yep,
they'll say it. And that is invaluable exactly. So, Javia,

(37:31):
we're gonna talk to you. Patrick ian Pok, creator of
Noah's Ark. I'm gonna read his bio in a second.
But the movie, you know, Noah's Ark was so informative
for both of them. God, you know the first show
that like centers black gay men, black gay friends living
life and growing together in Los Angeles, and it came

(37:52):
out I forget what year it came.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Out, but like two thousand and four.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, so when we were graduating high school. I didn't
become aware of it until after college, quite honestly. So
two thousand and nine I found it. I found I
knew of it, but I found Noah's Arc for the
movie in the Broom and then.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
Went back to yea because my my, my then boyfriend
was obsessed with noahs Ark and he was also obsessed
with queers folk sodays, this is really exciting and a
full circle moment because we love, we love friendships, and
as we said, community is most important.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So to talk to Patrick who has created this world
of not just friends, but queer friends. Yeah, black queer
friends is so special.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
So shall we.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Let's do it? Yay great?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
We are so excited to have Patrick Ian Poke on
the show. Acclaimed writer, producer, and director Patrick Ian Pok
is best known for his trailblazing TV series Noah's Arc,
which focused on the black lgbt Q plus experience. He's
also the director of films like Punk's The Skinny Blackbird
and Noah's Arc Jumping the Broom. Polk's work has been

(39:05):
recognized by organizations like Outfest, Glad and Polk was included
in the La Times diverse one hundred lists, which described
him as the man bringing black gay stories to screens
large and small.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Y'all please help us.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Welcome Patrick ian Folk.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Hi, Patrick, Hello, Welcome to the mess.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
How you doing. I'm good?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Thank you, yes having me.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
We're so excited that you're here, creator of Noah's Ark. Now,
I want to tell you I love giving people their
flowers because you know, we don't want to wait till
the other side of things.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Let's give him to them while they're here.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Absolutely, which is I moved out here ten years ago
to be a writer and it was because I saw
a show. I'm not going to name the show, but
the show was a gay show and it didn't hand
no black people or brown people on it. And I
was like, that's crazy, and I was like, I'm gonna
write something. But the inspiration of writing something was Noah's
Arc because that was one of the first the first

(40:00):
show with like four black queer friends gay men at
the center. And so it's just an honor to have
you sitting here talking to us.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Truly.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Thank you, yes, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
What does it feel like to be back in the bag?
Knows Ark?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
The movie comes out twenty years after the original. What
does it feel like to to one have a property
that has lasted that long and it's still turning out
a new thing. Let's start there. What does that feel like?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It feels great. You know, we have so much programming
these days, and like the hot show that'll be on
everybody's lips this week, you know, twelve months from now,
we won't be we want ever mentioned again. Yes, So
for people to still be talking about Noah's Ark twenty
years later, to the point where we're back, you know,
with with more, Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Why do you think it's lasted so long? What do
you think it's about about the show that has kept
it on people's lips for twenty years?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, I created the show because I didn't see myself
anywhere or my friends, you know, and I wanted to
see that in film and TV. And unfortunately, I think
twenty years later, we still haven't had anything resembling Noah's Ark.
So there's still that void, and I think it still resonates,

(41:17):
and so I think that's why the show has remained
so important to so many people. Even though we have
a lot of gay programming and gay characters of color,
they're usually isolated, you know, the only one a token.
I was watching adults recently and they have, of course

(41:39):
a black gay character, you know, which is great that
they were out there, but they're rarely with other black
kay people, certainly never. They're never dating or or another
black person.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So yes, I've played a bunch of those characters, and
I've always talked about like I come in to be
to make the white protagonists look brule.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I keep saying, I'm gonna we have a thread, a
text thread. All the showrunners. I keep saying, I'm gonna
put out a message in the in the show or
a chat. Just tell them all, if you have a
black gay character, give them a black partner, please, partner please.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I love to see it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Which actually, I mean, there's so many things I want
to talk to you about, but it makes me think
about some of the scenes that stood out to me
from the movie, and one of my favorites was the
first sex scene with Noah and Wade in the shower,
and it's one of those moments. I love these moments
in film and TV when I go I don't think
I've seen that, I don't feel like I've seen that,
so tenderly and so elegant and so loving, and I'm

(42:49):
so curious about what the process of creating sex scenes
for queer characters, especially queer characters of color, is for you.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, when I started twenty five years ago, my first film,
Punk's premiered at Sundance, and that film, which was kind
of a gay waiting to exhale, and it's very by
today's standards, tame. There's very little racy stuff in the film,

(43:20):
but there's a kiss at the end that the lead
character has with this guy that he's this this guy
that he thought was straight but ends up not being.
And it was such a big deal casting that role
of the sort of straight love interest because people love
the script, so many actors wanted to do it. I
could rattle off a list of names of people we

(43:41):
talked to, like, you know, Shamarmoor, Gary Dordan, Alan Payne,
you know, blah blah blah, and nobody wanted to do
this kiss. It was just this weirdest thing. And so
finally we got Rockman Dunbar, you know, who had came
in over and over again to audition, and finally we
got him approved, and you know, the rest is history.

(44:02):
So then cut to a few years later, when I
came up with the idea for Noah's Ark, I was
after Punks. You know, the doors of Hollywood did not
open for my black ass, right, Sundance was the is
the be all and end all and even bigger. Back then.
You were at Sundance, you were like the gates of

(44:23):
Hollywood were open. You know what those white boys would
be directing Batman the next and you know, the same
year that Punks was there, Broken Hearts Club was there.
Greg Orlants movie, which you could almost say is like
the It's like it's like Punks, but yeah, you know,

(44:45):
the wonderful billy Porters that movie. And I love Greg,
He's in the amazingly nice guy, wonderfully talented. But the
reality is post Sundance, like you see where Greg is now,
those doors didn't open for me, like it was Crickets,
and so I really kind of had to regroup, and

(45:06):
that's when I came up with Noah's Ark. When I
did it, I said, you know, the first thing I
said was, I'm not taking this to Hollywood because nobody's
gonna make this. I'm not gonna waste my time anymore
time like trying to get Hollywood and he knocking on doors.
I'm not doing that. I'm just gonna market it to
the community. I hatched the idea actually at the opening
night party for La Black Pride. Yeah, it was a

(45:26):
night club night called boy Trade that was the opening
night and at the LA Theater, and I was like, no,
I'm doing it for this group. And so when I
was coming up with the concept and figuring it out,
the one thing that I did, I was very clear
with myself about was that I wasn't going to deal
with that kind of kiss nonsense again. So I remember Jensen,

(45:47):
who plays Wade. He tells the story of how I
told him I forget all this. Apparently I told him
when he was coming in to do his like callback
audition with another actor, you know, and.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
You better kiss that boyd on the lips and so.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
But the thing I really was clear about is I'm
going to treat the love scenes like we see strade
love scenes. Yes from the beginning. Yeah, and I'm going
to really really push that envelope. I'm not just gonna
push it, I'm gonna like shred it and cinerate it,
like because you know how pendulums work. Swing it's gonna
swing back here, but you push it far enough, it's

(46:30):
never going to come back to where it was. So yeah,
I just was like, I'm treating this. I'm giving the
the viewers what they would want, what I would want
to see, which is you know, black gay love. And
so it was, you know, it was novel, it was
not done, it was racy, it was all the things,
but it was just important to me that we see

(46:52):
these black men getting it on.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I think what struck me about particularly in the movie too,
is that when I've seen gay sex scenes like on
a QUEERUS Folk, which is lovely show, uh, it's it's
very like launchy. Like the effect is that this is raunchy,
We're fucking yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
It's like quick cut.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
But you know, I think like with the other shows
that let's call them the straight shows, there are sex scenes,
but they're not necessarily that extreme. There is a love
making to it, and I think that's what I was
so drawn to, is that, like, oh, these scenes are
just so soft and tender, even the playfulness between Wade
and Noah where I forget like nos in his underwear

(47:41):
and they're like flirting and it's like chasing him, like,
I haven't seen the playfulness. It's always incredibly sex sex, sex, sex,
and not the playfulness of being in love and the
playfulness of of sex that straight people have but also
queer folks have.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I think the show what I hope it has taught people.
I don't know if it's taught me anything, because when
you write it, I don't know that it teaches you.
You created it sort of like, but I really just
hope Nozark was really meant to be aspirational in every way.
It was meant to show people what's possible. So me

(48:18):
looking at my gangly, awkward, teenage gay self in Hattersburg, Mississippi,
having nothing to really look towards any no examples, and
just kind of having to fumble my way through everything. Right,
That's who I was thinking about when I created the show,
someone so they could see and see like, oh, I
can be a college professor, I can have a husband

(48:39):
and raise a child. I can find my sort of
gay family and we can all be supportive of each other.
Like I just wanted to show that. And so many
people have told me essentially that you taught me that
I have a partner now because your show when I
saw your show. I said, oh, this is possible for me.
It's crazy to think, like literally, fans will tell me,

(49:02):
and some of the actors too, like you raised me,
you're show raising me.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, But it's cool. You know, it's cool to have
created something that that has meant something to people, that
has resonated. You know, we don't they. I don't think
about legacy often because legacy is not something you can
kind of create yourself. Sure, other people will decide it.
But now that I'm older and it's like, oh, twenty years,

(49:26):
twenty five years from punks, I start to embrace this
idea of legacy, and finally I'm like, Okay, I can
admit to myself that if you know, the number twelve
bus mowed me down tomorrow, I've done something, you know
what I mean. As an artist, I've done I've made
a mark. Even though I'm not done yet. I got
plenty more to do, but you know, I'm okay with that.

(49:48):
Like I years ago, I did a magazine interview and
it was the cover story, and in the interview that
in the beginning of the thing, they called me, you know,
father of Black a Cinema. And I've laughed at it
ever since, and my friends joked me at they ca
me everything.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know you father father.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
But more recently I'm like, you know what, I will
take the title because it's cool. Yeah, hard a niche.
It's cool to have like staked your ground in this
crazy industry. And then when I think about it, okay,
well then if not me, then fucking who?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
So true friends and I said that, like when you're
when you're not taking on a compliment, he was like,
if not.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Me, then who to remember that?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Like we get to we get to own our titles
and our accomplishments, because if not melt, how much does
art imitate life for you? How much of like Noah's
Arc represents your life?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Not a lot of it. I mean, Noah was a screenwriter. Obviously,
I was a screenwriter, so I knew that lifestyle, you know,
the struggle.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
The only thing that.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Really mirrord the very beginning of Noah en Wade's story,
he kind of mirrored a situation I went through what
was going through at the time, where I was friends
with this professional athlete who had gotten an entree into Hollywood,
and so we had met and become friends because a

(51:18):
couple of years before he got this big inch entree
into Hollywood. I he said, I was the only person
that like responded to his male when he wrote he
said his film he had made to MTV blah blah.
And I was nice to him and tried to give
him advice because I was nice to everybody. Yeah, And
so when he did get this kind of big sort
of Hollywood situation, he called me and he was like, Yo,

(51:38):
I'm in Hollywood now, I got this thing, and I'm
looking into trades and I'm reading about him. So we
become friends and we started hanging out and he was
really a really, really nice guy. And I was super
naive back then. So if you told me I'm straight,
I'm this. I take you at face value the question.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
What you're saying.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
And I remember. So in the show, there's a scene
with knowing waiter having lunch and Wade essentially does nowhere
that he wants to go. He wants to hang out,
He wants to go show me like some of your
spots I want to go to, and that was like,
you want to go to the gay club. Well that
really happened, oh wow, And we did go to the
gay club and it was the across from the abbey,

(52:19):
the upstairs. It's not there anymore. Oh yeah, it used
to be years ago. It used to be. It was
an eighties night, like, and I took him. We went
to Wedes Night and I'm having fun dancing. I didn't drink.
I just kind of started drinking on my twenty fifth
birthday and so I didn't drink very much. And this
person drank like a fish. And so they're drinking jack

(52:40):
and cokes and buying me jack and cokes, okay, kind
of free and whatever. And I remember, and this is
in the show, there was a moment where we're dancing.
He takes my shirt off, and I remember kind of
glancing and catching a friend of mine's eye at the bar,

(53:02):
a couple of friends, and they were.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
Like, the idea of me taking my shirt off, ever
and a club is unheard of, but it was like crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
And so all of that's in and the also what's
in the show. So that's in the show, Noah. And
also in the show is Way telling Noah in the club,
I find you, you know, I find you sexually enticing,
but you know I'm straight, right, So for anything to
happened between us that have to be warming about.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
All of that.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Almost word for words, happened in the club and they
were dancing at the bar and he said it to
me and on tipsy and and then I'll never forget
Sheila e. Glamorous Life came on.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
And then he drove me home. I lived in West
Hollywood at the time. He drove me home. We were
sitting in his car outside my apartment and he said
it again. He was like, so, let you know, I
find you sexually enticing, right, but I'm you know, straight,
So for anything that happened, there has to be a
woman involved. And he said, I have somebody in mind,
a female friend in Vegas who maybe was a stripper,

(54:14):
and she coming to l A and she would I know,
she's gonna love she would love you. And I'm just like,
in the back of my mind something just said, just
say yes. And then we literally never got there because
within a week his birthday came up and I had

(54:35):
him over. Let's just say, and then we had sex.
Obviously we had brandy and they have the attempted doesn't
go right and no, no tells him off and then wait,
finally he comes around.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But that was that.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
So that little chunk was the only thing that I've
ever taken from my own life and put in the show.
Everything else was just.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Experience, or like other experiences, experience.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I one of the things that we were talking about
this off, Mike Davia and I one of my favorite
storylines because Java and I have been friends for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
We met at eighteen in college. They are now thirty eight. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, it's crazy crazy, And so one of the beautiful
parts about the movie for me is, Oh, you're tracking
this friendship over like there get the actors are getting older,
the characters are getting older. Yeah, and as we get older,
like life happens, right, And so Noah's having a baby,
Ricky is navigating a diagnosis, but then Chance is navigating

(55:38):
a dead partner. And I was so curious about where
that storyline came from and what inspired that storyline, because
that's something that I think I think about my Angelou
had said in an interview, once she was not afraid
of death, she could start living. And so as I
get older, death becomes just something that I start thinking about.
Our families are getting older, we're getting older, but we

(56:01):
don't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Socidally.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
It's just like a hard thing to talk about, especially
if a partner has passed away, and how do you
show up for your friend that in that situation? How
do you show up for yourself in that situation. So
I was just so curious about where that storyline came from,
what inspired it, what either you've learned from that storyline
or what you're what the response has.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Been to it.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, you know, obviously we're catching up with these characters,
you know, fifteen years on, and so I was just
kind of looking at where would they be naturally, And
I'm look at my friends and people I know, you know,
and what are people dealing with? And it's a weird
thing like I see often I'll see like you know,
on some app jacked or whatever, right and you'll see
someone status and every now and then I see widowed,

(56:46):
and I always thinking, wow, this person's thirty seven, Like wow,
they've lost the partner, you know whatever. So I was
curious about it, and I'm in my fifties now, so
you know, I think about it, terrified of it. I
was just like my therapist will tell you, you have
some conversations, and so it's something that I'm processing, but

(57:08):
it just felt like we don't, like you said, we
don't talk about it, you know. And there's this thing
with black gay men. You know, we lost pretty much
a whole generation to age, so there really was a
real chunk of time where we didn't really see a
lot of people reach middle age black gay men, you
know what I mean. So it's almost like it's a
newish thing for us to even get to this age.

(57:30):
And so it's like, Okay, what does what does middle
age look like? You know, And so that's really what
it was about. And I was thinking about what am
I going to do with this character. It just kind
of hit me. You know, he's the elder of the
group really to an extent, and so it just felt
like the thing it felt.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
It felt.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Once it kicked me, I thought, oh, yeah, this makes
a lot of sense, and it gave us an opportunity
to explore because the other nice sort of transition that
you see in the film is Noah. So in the beginning,
you know, Noah was you know, young, naive, flighty, indecisive,
you know, always seeking advice from his friends. You know,

(58:12):
I don't know what to do. And now, if you
notice in the movie it's kind of flipped. Noah's now
kind of the adult in the room responsible created a
whole hit series that's run for years. People love had
this long marriage, you know, and the world and Yeah,

(58:32):
is having babies, and so you see him kind of
showing up for the friends, showing up for Chance, who
is is going through this grief grieving period, showing up
for Alex, you know, when he's having conflicts with his
daughter and end up uncle Noah takes to come live
with them for a bit so to give Alex a break,

(58:53):
or showing up obviously for Ricky. Ricky, who we find
out is, you know, dealing with a cancer diagnosis. So
I think it's it's a cool kind of shift to
see that that sort of transformation, and then it really
boils down to like friendship and what do we do
for our friends and how do we do it? You
know what I mean? I love this idea of I think.
I saw Taraji p Henson clip this week where she

(59:15):
talked about she's on some radio show looking like this
with a microphone and saying, you know, they asked about
her friendships and she's like, my best friends, my friends,
like they don't play Oh yes, and if my hello
sounds weird, She's like, I was shooting at Vancouver once
and my best friend called me, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
IM good?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
The next day she shows up and she's like, yeah,
that didn't that helloed? And so there's something to that,
you know, this idea of friends showing up for each other.
You know, there's a scene in the film that is
a tribute to homage to waiting to.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Oh Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Patrick, And I was like, what's on the institude? I said,
what's one?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I was, you don't understand?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I was swimming, Yeah, very very like if you know,
down to the outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yes, everyone, it was great. And so yeah, it was
just important to see that how we show up for
each other. And then too, I'm really curious, and that's
why I really hope that, you know, we get a reboot, reboot.
I really want to see what dating looks like for
a chance. Yeah it's a fifty year old ye what

(01:00:43):
will that look like at this day and age? As
he was, as he says in the movie, like when
they put the app on his phone, like what do
you do? Yeah, just to say hi, I do I
send you know, dick picts and buttholes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
What actually do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
That's you know, the culture we live in now. So yeah,
I just think it's it's the thing that we don't
talk about enough, but it's out there, it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
What terrifies you about that? How?

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
That is not knowing how and when all of that,
you know what I mean, Like, if I want an
airplane it's going down, what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I'm in a fucking building and the earthquake happens, what
is that like? Or if it's just fucking cancer, which
is which is the most likely outcome of some kind
of illness that if you're lucky, takes you out of
old age, But even what's that like? You know? And
it's you know, like everything in life, it just creeps
closer and closer. So it's far away then it's your
parents and it's your things. So yeah, it's just it's

(01:01:45):
scary the idea of For me, it's it's the how,
it's the how.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
I was talking to my therapist, well two things. I
was talking to my therapists about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Death last week because I was like, I hope that
it's you know, obviously, in the world that we're currently
living in with what's going on, it was like, you know,
I'm trying to death is all around us, right, I
mean it's always, but like it feels very prevalent everywhere
you look. And I think my prayer has been that
I go out softly, that like it is a which

(01:02:13):
you can't control. That is like that it's a soft
that it's in my old age in bed, surrounded by
the people that I love, and that it's a softer
but sometimes you know, obviously it's not that we have
no control over that, and how do you make peace

(01:02:35):
with that? Which is you know, I think is the dance,
is the current dance of of seeing it but like
not letting it stop you from living, but also understanding
that it is a thing. I think I constantly and
the movie brought this up for me, Like I constantly
think about my friends and we're getting older, and you know,
not to be morbid, but I'm always like, will we

(01:02:56):
all be here? How many of Like you know, I
love a friend from middle school who passed away like
ten years ago, and that was like a shock because
it was like, oh, yeah, I never My middle school
class was like twenty five people, so you're like, oh,
I never anticipated that one of us would not make
it to our thirties, let alone our forties or fifties,
and so it's such an interesting thing to contend with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I what terrifies you about that? Are you terrified
of it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
I think I stopped being terrified because I lost my
dad when I was fifteen, and I think for me,
losing a parent sort of ignited this thing of like
I just have to live because life is so short
and so like, because I felt like I've dealt with a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Big death at a young age.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
I'm just I'm in this space where I'm just like,
I'm just gonna live every day like it's his last
because I don't know what it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
So it's sort of unlocked, the thing of just like
I have no fear.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
I have no it's just like, let me just keep living,
all right, cool, whatever happens happens, and you know, And
so I think that's why I'm not as terrified, where
I'm just like every day I live like if, like
you said, if I was to get mored down by bus,
I can say, well, I live that life, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Live And I lived every day. Yeah, like you know,
so that's important and my twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I remember walking with one of our friends down Fifth
Ave because we're walking to a show, and I was
kind of like, if I died today, don't want to,
but if I did, at least I'm on the path
to like what I want in life. I think sometimes this,
which is what's beautiful about the characters in this art,
feels like they're all on their journey somewhere even if

(01:04:28):
death is present or there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Looming death might come. But I think my fear would be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Not being myself or not being able to be myself
and hiding myself and then meeting death as opposed to
Oh I'm I'm living. I'm doing things that I want,
even if I'm not where I want to be. But
the how it's terrifying. I have I'm not sure, but
like I keep my two fears are the airplane or
I have this recurring dream of like driving off a bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
A bridge, a bridge car I don't want. I don't want.
That's not soft, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Say, isn't it? The is the seat belt?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Like, what's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I was listening to Michelle Obama talk on podcast her
mother and her mother saying as they were like realizing
her mom was realizing that she was going to die,
and so it went so fast, and that like even
in old age being like, oh this went so fast.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
So how do you How do you enjoy it? How
do you savor it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
And my thing now is affairs, like getting affairs in order.
I constantly have this thought like if I died today,
the mess and as an artist with you know, a
whole like archive and stuff like, that's frightening to think
that this stuff could be lost and this ship that's

(01:05:57):
buried in my computer. No, it was ever going to see.
So I'm kind of trying to get it together.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Yes, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Jesse Jeff who said it wasn't him but I think
he was repeating. But it was like die empty, which
is as an artist, like don't die with any of
your things on you like die empty, put everything out
into the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah. I'm not a place now where it's like I
probably have enough projects, but so I'm not necessarily obsessed
with coming up with new ones. But it's like, how
am I going to get these things that I've that
are backed up? How am I going to get them
all made? Like I heard movie I shot in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
That was from a book I read as a freshman
in college, the first like black, gay piece of art
that I kind of consumed. I was like, oh that knowingly,
you know, yeah, obviously I was a fan of Luther
and all these other people. Yeah Prince, yeah, child, but
you know, and I wrote the first That was one
of the first scripts I wrote, and that was like
nineteen ninety woman, Wow, I shot that movie in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
So it's like, yeah, that's a beautiful reminder us an
artist that like you can have an idea and like
hold you can hold it until it's time, until it's
like it may not happen that year, but like it
can eventually happen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Well, just keep moving. I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I know that you said legacy is something that like
the people will define, not you, But if you could,
what would you want your legacy to be?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
And you can take your time, you know, edit the
air out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I mean, I'm okay with what it is now, you
know what I mean. Now it's like I get it.
You know, Noah's art as the significant piece of work.
I'm cool with that. I hope that it will also
be about all this other amazing work that I am
going to do. Yeah, you know, working on my first play.

(01:07:44):
You know, So I want to be thought of. I
like being thought of as a trailblazer. Yeah, as a pioneer. Yeah,
that's that's cool. As we know, practically everything has been
done twice. It's very hard to do everything new the right.

(01:08:05):
But I can look back and say, yeah, I did that.
There was no punks, nothing like punks before punks. There
was no no nothing like Noah's art before, you know
what I mean. So I can I feel comfortable in
that knowledge that I've done that work and it has
meant something to people. So I'm cool with you know,
people saying, oh, father of black a cinema. Yeah, because

(01:08:26):
you know, I'm a fan of John Cassavetes and they
call him the father of American independent cinema.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Yeah, like that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah, what do you want your legacy to be with
your friends, your community?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
It's you know, I am an introvert, like a crazy introvert.
But of the years, I've had to figure out how
to compartmentalize that because there's a certain amount of that
goes in this career with being out being the face
of something, go to screening servant or whatever. So I
can do that now perfectly fine. But the thing that

(01:08:58):
tends to happen is I've had this, I have this
reputation of kind of either just being like sort of
bitchy or not approachable or you know what I mean,
and it's and then my friends will tell you, no,
it's a complete opposite of that, you know what I mean. Yeah,
So I hope that that my friends just remember the

(01:09:19):
love that we shared because I've had the same sort
of core yeah a long time. Yeah, you know what
I mean. I've Christmas every year with my two British
writer friends for twenty plus years. Wow, going up to
Northern England.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Every year, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
It's really yeah. So I just hope I just hope
the love.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Yeah, You've really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Changed a lot of lives and really allows people to
see themselves. I always say that. I always say representation matters.
Representation literally saves lives.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
It does.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
I do not like that's no hyperbole, and Noah's ark
is a part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
So thank you and thank you for your book. You
sent me your book. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Patrick, This is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Gosh. I was nervous watch on the ground, like I
thought it was gonna be something. I was like, what
they're gonna have me talking about it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Well, you know we are Hose here about Hose with heart.
So before we part ways, let me speak to yours.
I really enjoyed today so much. I mean, there's nothing
like hang out with your best ye at work, you
know what I'm saying. Actually, a couple of weeks ago
I went to my other best of his job because
I was speaking to their office, and it was just
so fun to like see where he worked and you know,

(01:10:54):
see the people he works around, and to understand what
he does a little better, because you know, I'm sure
everyone got those friends that you don't exactly know what
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
You're like, I'm not, you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
They work in that that thing, they do that thing,
so something like that. We all have those friends, and
so this is one of those friends, and I was
happy to learn more about what he does. Tavie is
such a dream and a joy, and it was wonderful
to talk about friendship. And you know, we were talking
to Patricky and Poke about Noah's arc, which is also
about friendship. Highly recommend watching that film. But what was

(01:11:28):
kind of my biggest takeaway today, just kind of one
general takeaway is the power and the value of friendship.
So I'm not gonna point out a specific thing that
was said so much as just talk to you about
your community. And I know I've done this a few
times on the show because it does mean something to me,

(01:11:50):
you know. Belle hook says something to the effect of,
you know, we we value romantic love as you know,
the primary, but truly the love that we should be
valuing community. That your romantic love is part of your community,
but the abandoning of our community, our friends, even ourselves
for a romantic relationship is worth reevaluating. I know that

(01:12:15):
our society and our culture tells us that that's what
we're supposed to do, and I think for me, I
want to do it differently, you know, and I've worked
very hard. You know, I've been with Matthew for ten years.
I have another partner and we've been together for a
year and a half bun, as you all know if

(01:12:37):
you've been listening to the pod for a while, and
those relationships mean so much to me. But I'm not
afraid to say that my friends mean just as much,
that my chosen family means just as much. That I
consider Matthew and Bun to be part of my community
but not the center of it. And I don't you

(01:12:59):
know this is I'm like stumbling to say this because
it's a it's a thing that I don't think we're
often allowed to say. But I do believe that you
should be the center of your world. That's not selfish,
that in fact, it might be detrimental if you are
not on the list of things that you're taking care of,

(01:13:21):
if you're not the top of that list, if you
are making your life revolve around everyone and everything else
and you forget about you, then I don't know how
well you're showing up for everyone else. And listen, I'm
sure this is even harder with kids because kids require
so much, and maybe there's a period of time where

(01:13:41):
you can't fully be at the center, you know, but
at some point you do have to get back there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
You do have to ask yourself, what do I want?
What do I love? What do I need?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
What do I desire? What do I dream about? What
are my fantasies? How can I take care of it.
Maybe I can't have it all, you know, we're not
able to everything we want in this life. But how
can I still make sure that I'm pouring into myself?
And one of the ways that I pour into myself
is by nurturing my community. I have learned over the years,
and certainly even just over the last you know, however

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many months we've been doing this podcast, and the ups
and downs that come with producing one's own show and
the work that it entails, I've had to lean on
my community, all of them. I've had to lean on
my romantic partners, and my platonic and my chosen family
all the same. And I'm so the reason I've been

(01:14:34):
able to get through any of the trials and tribulations
that have come up, any of the obstacles and hurdles,
is because of the strong community that I've been nurturing.
Friends are everything, and I do want to remind you
that love isn't linear, and so sometimes friends come in

(01:14:57):
for a season and then they go away, and that
can be sad, and it's worth grieving, but it doesn't
mean that they can't come back around. Doesn't mean you
can't open your heart back up because I think we
actually talked about this with Lisa Lisa Treeger. The relationships
may shift because life shifts, but allowing the relationship to

(01:15:20):
shift and allowing how much you might see that particular
friend is okay. Like if we were like bosom buddies
and now we see each other once every couple of
weeks or once every couple of months, that's okay. There's
still there's still my as long as somebody listen, as
long as it's not a toxic thing, as long as
you're not being drained, as long as you feel like

(01:15:43):
there's not reciprocity happening. As long as you feel like
you know there is reciprocity happening, that there is something
that you're getting from pouring into this relationship, and that
relationship is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Pouring back into you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Then whether or not we see each other every day,
once a week, or every couple months or once a
year is kind of irrelevant. I have some I have
some friends that I never see and that's because of distance.
Some are in New York, some are in the UK.
But I when we do reunite, it is like no

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time has passed. And I also know and they know
that if we are needed. We will be there in
the drop of a dime, in the snap of a finger,
in the flash of light, we will be there if
some if we're needed. That that support, just because we're
not physically around each other, that support doesn't disappear. That

(01:16:39):
support is still there, That love is still there. That
love is not linear, but it's still there. It's it's
actually far more expansive. It stretches out like the branches
of a tree. It's stretches out like like the sun shining.
You know, everything the light touches as you will come
on lion king. So you know, I think all that

(01:17:02):
to say, hold your friends close, love on them, tell
them you love them. Whether it's a text message, a
phone call, a FaceTime, you schedule some time together. But
just make sure the people in your life, your community
knows that you love them. It does not take but
a second to send that text message to remind people

(01:17:23):
that you're thinking of them. My mother would always say,
when somebody comes across your mind, you should you should
reach out to them, text, call, whatever. But there's probably
a reason that they came across your mind. So I
impart that to you. If somebody, if you start thinking
about somebody, a friend, an old partner, an old colleague,

(01:17:43):
you know, somebody that was good to you and that
you were good to but you're not as in touch anymore,
or you haven't spoken a little bit. If they come
across your mind, just send them a little note, say hello,
I'm thinking about you, because you know, at the end
of the day, we all want to know that we
are love, know that we are seen, know that we
are valued. And on the other side of this, which

(01:18:06):
we didn't talk, you know, we talked a bit about
death today. I've had some experiences. I'm sure you've had
some experiences where there are people who die, you know,
whether that is unexpectedly and that is that is a
that is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
A grief, that is a heavy, heavy grief.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
But it does remind me that tomorrow isn't promised. And
so tell people you love them today. I love you
and I'm so grateful you're here. And I'm so grateful
for your time and your energy, and your support and
your kindness and your compassion even when y'all be sending

(01:18:48):
me emails and you be like, oh football whenever that is,
you know, I appreciate how compassionate and loving you all are.
I consider you my friends by extension. You know, this,
this digital world, this podcast world, is a weird one

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because we are you know, there's a connection that we
are making.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
It doesn't feel one sided. I know that I can't
ever hear unless you message me what's going on in
your world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
But you are showing up every week to hear about
what's going on in my world and the world of
our guests and holding space for it. And that means
more than I can say. So I consider us all,
all of us hose here friends by extension of this

(01:19:45):
messy universe, this messy verse, this messy ville, this messy town,
this messy world we've created together.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, all right, that's it for me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
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Until next time, ask about the politics of that dick

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before you make it spit, make sure they eat the
kitty before they beat the kitty, before fuckation or succation.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Communication.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
And in case you haven't heard it yet, today you
are so deeply I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Bye.

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