Simu Liu

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
The holidays are upon us, and you know what that means.
It's time for gifts. I guess lowest, lowest of the
five love languages, my last one gifts. I don't know.
I don't know. I think a nice gift when it's
thoughtful and it's meaningful, and it's something the other party
thinks you're gonna use, I think that's really cool. I

(00:32):
mean any getting a gift period. By the way, not
to complain about getting a gift, it's nice. I recognize
that I just of all my love languages, that is,
of all the love languages, I should say that is
the least significant or meaningful to me. But I do
love a meaningful gift. I love like listening to people
and then being like, oh, I know what I'm gonna
get them because they just said they needed this or

(00:52):
they were going to get that love that we're seeing
something that feels really specific to a person. But the
holidays and in shopping it's so stress for people. This
sounds like an ad. It's not. I'm just sort of
like people would pooh pooh gift cards. But I think
a gift card is cool, especially like a one you
could use anywhere. I don't want to name, you know,

(01:13):
a visa NAMEX. I'm gonna name where people can just
get whatever gift they want for themselves. Maybe people want
practical things like tampons and toothpaste, you know, and they
should have the option to get that for themselves, you know.
I just feel like it's so strange people complain about
gift cards or go that's not thoughtful. I actually, as

(01:35):
a gal who's not going Google Goga for gifts, I'm like,
I'm not mad at a gift card. I'm not mad
at receiving a gift card. I get to do with
it what I want, gets something useful for myself. Really
not mad at that. The reality is that I'm not
mad at any of it. Again, guys, but a gift card,
I think is a good idea. They should be allowed.
I don't know why we're shitting on them. I think
they're good. In fact, I like giving them also because

(01:56):
I'm like, I don't want to get you something you
don't want to use, and I don't want to get
you stuff just so you have stuff. Yeah, get a
gift card. I'm a proponent of gift cards anyway. Our
next guest is a friend of mine and I I
don't know where I know, I know him and I
love him, and it's gonna be a good one and

(02:18):
a doozy anyway. Also, by the way, real fast, can
people tell me what kind of go to gifts they get?
One thing I've said in the past is candles, But
then I heard someone online say candles are a cop out. Also,
why are we complaining about the gifts? What's wrong with
us as a society? That's That's what I want to say.
All right. I hope this conversation that is coming up

(02:41):
is a fun one for you, because I think it's
gonna be really fun for me. Take a look. My
next guest is an actor and New York Times best
selling author. I'm not gonna look at you. You can
see him in Marvel, Shung Chi, Avengers, Doomsday, Barbie, the
Copenhagen Test. He's cheering me on because I'm nailing it.

(03:05):
My next guest is my dear friend Simu lu. We're here.
How are you, my dear?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm a little jet like. I think we were just
talking about how when like people on the West Coast
come here to do these like press rounds, and the
New York one always starts so fucking early.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, that time difference will get you.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. Yeah, my like my like grooming or grooming time
or whatever. It was like six am yesterday, which is
three am yes so it.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Was Yeah, that is wild. Have you had coffee?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, macha, I'm drinking a macha.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Are you matcha over coffee?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I do? I do, like on both, okay both you
switch it up. I guess in my mind somehow that
that it's making it less bad, even though I'm like
doubling the caffee.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah. I do that too, though, And I'll have like
multiple matches in a day, Like I will have just
had a matcha and then I'll be like, oh, but
I've never had one from this place. Yeah, and then
I have to try.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I have to tell me what all the best pots
to New York because I'm moving here.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Can I tell you're moving?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah? Ohy a bit until until April.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh my goodness, you are. I need to come see you.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I'm doing O Mary, you're doing O Mary.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
No one told me.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It just broke. It just literally broke, like when we
were in the other room. So you're like one of
the first people that I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
This podcast had. We have to cancel it because she's
ill informed. She doesn't want to speak, she doesn't know.
Congratulations to you and them.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Frankly, to me, I mean, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
What role are you playing?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I am playing Mary's teacher?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, fun, I need to come, I need to come
tell Okay, I will, I will. I will tell you.
And then will it make you more nervous that I'm
in the audience?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Definitely not.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, no problem, you don't respect me. It's all good.
I will tell you where to get Macha's. Okay, by
the way, should I say it now? Why am I
asking you? I'm actually like, this is your podcast? Matcha Full? Okay,
you gotta get a Steve Lacey told me about matcha
Full like two years ago, and now I go all
the time.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Macha.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's not a little bit of money, but just to
say out.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Loud, it's an expense ceremonial.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's ceremonial artisanal. If you will, it's really good. I
get an h Indigo glow. That is my go to.
That's the name of that. They have different concoctions. It's
really delicious.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Is it a little bit of lavender? I'm sensing like
the indigo or is it butterfly?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, let me tell you there's something purple in it,
but I don't know what, kaboobe, I don't know it.
It's a purple something.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You should get into it.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Okay, good Steve told me to get that. I got that,
and then I tried other things and now I'm back
to my indigo glows and everyone's in while. They'll have
like a collab with with an artist or usually artists, musical.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Artists, multiple multiple locations or just one just like.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
You know one. So like the Marias have a coquito
macho right now. I love that one. There's like coconut. Okay,
is this what you came here for today? Okay, I'll
tell you other places to go. Do you want to
know where to get tacos? But you're leaving La, so
I don't know if you need to.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean, I love Los Tacos. Is that?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah? I was gonna say Los Tacos number, Yeah, that's good.
Santo Taco, okay, Santo Santo Tacos, Yes, yes, that's in Soho.
So you'll go to Macha ful, You'll get a macha
and then you'll go to Santo Taco and you'll get
the steak Trump so much. No problem, we.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Do this for another forty five.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Let's just make this the whole podcast. All I do
care about is food and it's a weird personality.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, that's not okay, it's just.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Like, also, get a personality besides where to eat and
have beverages. Okay, Simo, who do you who? Or what
do you want to say thanks to you?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Can I say? Can I say like a non serious
one and then a serious one?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I want to thank you. Know, I want to thank
Lauren for bringing us together.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh okay, yes.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think that was. I mean I met you on SNL. Yes,
and it's amazing. It's just amazing that we know each other.
And I'm such a big fan of you.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So that's my like not serious one. Okay, whatever, everyone
thanks Lauren? Well he can?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I love that. That's your joke one. Okay, No, I.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Want to thank he was bugging me, but I want
to thank uh my physio Ethan. Yes, Ethan's in the
next room. He's listening.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
He's here. Ethan's here.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
He got me my macha this morning and he like
begged me. He was like, please please thank me. So pathetic,
it's so desperately.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
At first, I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, no, it was Ethan. No, No, he's a he's
a great dude, and uh and he's any single, So
I thought I thought I'd plug him.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh do we can we get Ethan to come in here?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah? Do you want? Do you want to come in?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Come in? But before Ethan comes in, I wanna, I
want to ask a few questions for my listeners and viewers.
Ethan lives in New York.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Ethan lives in l as but he's from New Jersey,
so he's kind of like.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
By coastal, by coastal.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Okay, yeah, let's see. He's really good around the body.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Of course. He's a physical therapist. Physical therapists, which, by
the way, I'm in physical therapy, have been for nearly
a year because I fell and dislocated my shoulder in
the subway station. Spooky. But what happened to.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
You, if you don't mind, I tore my achilles. Okay,
I tore my achilles like two years ago, and I
and I met him when he was working at a
clinic and then I poached him.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You you got to a good physio or physical therapist
hard to come by. I've been to several for this
shoulder injury, like several. Some come to my home. Some
I've gone to them. I've gone to private practice. Okay,
come in.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, we'll bring him.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Wait, come in.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I'm not kidding now he's like Ethan, probably freaking out right.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Now, let's get Ethan to come in. Getthan this is Yes, Yes,
I'm obsessed with physical therapist guys. It's a whole thing. Genuinely.
I have friends who are physical therapists. I have friends
that come Ethan. You don't look like a physical therapist.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ethan.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You're talking, Ethan. Come share set Ethan, come share state
smaller on his lap.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Where do you want to sit?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think split a seat with me just because I'm small.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, don't beat, don't be shine now. Okay, welcome, Welcome
to my show, Ethan and Ago, thank you so much
for being here. I have a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, we'll ask away.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Okay, Ethan, can you help go with her with her dislocated.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, Ethan, I tore my laborm. Okay, and I have
thank you so much. Thank you, That's what I was wanted.
He's so kind. He started with the sorry that is
a good physical therapist because I feel like.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Get that from me because I'm Canadian.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Sorry, sorry, your shoulder Okay? So I tore my labroom okay,
and when I fail, I dislocated it popped out in
the front. It was out of socket for fifteen minutes.
And then and then I have a hill Sacks legion
as well. You know what that is? Yeah, yes, it happens.

(10:02):
So what do I have to do? I have several
physical therapists, but I want to hear Ethan's take before
we set you up with someone to see if he's
any good.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean, I think this is hard because I I
haven't assessed you myself, right, so for me to be
able to make claims, I have no idea what the
other physios have been doing for you, so I don't
want to over them myself. And yeah, I don't humble,
and you're from New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
He's very different when he's okay.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
He's not humble when he's I mean, I wouldn't say Ethan, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
What would you?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
But would you say based on just what what's an
exercise you would tell me to do? Just knowing that
my labor is torn.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Are you still? Are you still currently in pain? And
first of all, I think, like what are you? My
first question is what's really limiting.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You right now?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
My beliefs I'm going.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
To physio or in in beyond.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Honestly, my beliefs sometimes my location. But in physio I'm
actually making a lot of progress. But I have it
to several, have been to several. What's your favorite exercise
for shoulder strength.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I'm a big proponent on when you're ready to actually
make sure we're loading and lifting quite heavy, okay, actually
using tension. We're not just lifting five pound weights. You
should just be doing external rotation exercises like there. You
should be able to carry things, especially I'm sure you
travel a lot, so you should be able to have
a lot of single legg single leg, single arm, overhead

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mobility and strength.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
The empathy.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Speaking of single leg, Sima says you're single leg?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yes, sir, I don't know, says.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Your single What are you looking for in a partner?
Pop off? This is your chance and then we're gonna
have to kick you out.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
But he has to answer able to say is type
without getting anseled.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yes, to say real be raw?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Okay, if it's if I can't say it, then please
cut it.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Okay, we will.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
He loves he loves Latina.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, you like a Latina?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
What he said? Okay, okay, what you like it?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
You can be serious?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Can you say any that was? He seems serious?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I know I am. I am serious, and I'm thinking,
I just want I'm thankful for you, and I want
your you know, I want you to be happy, and
and I just appreciate you because you know this, press
tours are really fucking hard sometimes, and it's nice to
have like a it's nice to have a buddy, but
it's also great to have someone who's like supportive and
like always, you know, just reliable.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And how does hearing that make you feel?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
This is the first time he's ever told me this,
so this is pretty insane. I'm he just called me pathetic.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I did say empathetic. You missed that? Oh all?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, So clearly I'm so used to hearing a different
side of him, so this this is new for me.
I'm also Asian, don't really typically hear a lot of
such loving comments back and forth to each other.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So yeah, this is.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
No I'm very grateful. I mean, this is this opportunity,
Like I never thought I would be in a position
where I'm doing something like this.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I went to physical therapy school in Jersey in new Work,
and so going from Jersey to LA and now living
the life that I do, meeting.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You, I never would have imagined.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
No, this is super cool. Yeah, I'm very grateful for
the opportunity. So I'm just glad I'm able to be supportive.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And there you go.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's what happens when you care about what you do
and you're good at your craft. Someone like Semo sees
you and is like, I need that man in my
life and to fuck.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Even the way that he spoke about your labor, and
I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes he said. And honestly, when you're talking about the loading,
I need to we need to build straight. I'm gonna
talk to you after Ethan. Ladies, Ethan is single and
prepared to mingle. I don't know if you can pick
up on my sound here because I'm way far away
from the MI. But Ethan, thank you now. Now you're
coaching me.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now he's going you see it?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh a baby, yeah, a baby, Okay, a jum baby
A Gemini for a girl who says she doesn't care
about as I love to ask somebody their song.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, I'm a Gemini.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay, you'll go, you'll go ten you'll go ten years
either way or what are you?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Ten years? Okay? Bye? Ethan. Thank you ladies.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Oh man, that's Ethan. I'm sure. Thank you so much
for letting me.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Of course you have to thank him.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
And you found that helpful.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I did because I'm wanna start doing heavier weights with
my right shoulder. Thank you, Ethan. That's amazing. Do you
met him at like a random practice?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah? But he's just good vibes, you know, good vibe.
You could tell he's good vibes. He doesn't. He doesn't
over promise. He's just like, look, you're gonna have to
do a lot of work, but we can. We can
get there. But it's it's on you.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
He's a professional the way he would not take the
bait and tell me what to do about my shoulder.
I said, Okay, I understand. He's like, I haven't assessed
to you myself, fair enough. He's a real one. How's
your achilles doing?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's really good, Yeah, it's really good. I can't say
I'm like the best patient. I don't always do my exercises.
I'm always making excuses about I gotta fly, you know,
m mmmmmmm, okay, but then I gotta fly next week.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
But you always have to fly, so then you're gonna
have to find way.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I mean, I like sports, like we both like sports,
so we play a lot of sports together. And that's
kind of like how I trick my body into into
doing exercise. But of course he's always reminding me, like,
you can't just play sports, you have to do some.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Of the other Really, do you like working out?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes? And no? Do you you?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah? I like went out of my way to like
be to change my relationship with fitness. It was like
a real thing because I'm just thinking about longevity for sure,
So should I want to be on this planet for
a long time? How do I incorporate fitness into my
life now so that when I'm like fifty, I'm not
so averse to it? That was what That's where I

(16:24):
am with fitness. But I hear you what's your what's
your yes, and what's your no?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think I think the yes is that I love
the way it makes me feel after not during Okay,
very much.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, awful.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I love you know I see? Yeah, I love I
love looking at I love looking at the results.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You love looking at your body.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I love other people looking at my results.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
See how often are you taking selfies in the mirror?
Selfies in a week? Be honest, I mean in a week.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm the heaviest I've
ever been. Like, I think in a mostly mostly good way. Okay,
so you know pretty Yeah, a few, a few, But
we have to track our progress.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's all. It's just to track your progress, right. Do
you post them online?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Like once in a while, okay, just a little something
to let people know you got it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Like when I see when I see the Vanity Fair
leading Men cover and I'm not on it? Okay, are
you I feel really bad about myself and then you're
like somebody today?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah? Okay, are you gunning for sexiest man alive? Would
you like that?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't hate it, Okay, you know,
dare they give it to an Asian man? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Have they given it to an Asian man?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Probably not? Damn, that would be my guest.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Someone in the comments on some social media platform will
let us know if they have or have it somebody will, okay,
and we'll But I dare them, I dare them. I
dare them to give it to you.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Thank you so much. I mean, there's I think there's
lots of sexy Asian men out there.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
There's lots of sexy of course, there's lots of sexy
men out there. There you go, I would say, don't
you agree.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean they're out there. I met a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I mean, we're there for people.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And then yeah, do they have a.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Sexiest Women woman cover, Sexiest Woman Alive?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
No, for some reason, it's not as it doesn't feel
the same.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
It doesn't even as I say it out loud. But
then at the same time, equality, right, It's like.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Maybe would Sexiest Women Alive be in my book?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You, oh, that's a great question. Off the rip, I'm
going Sexiest Woman Alive. There's a lot of stunning women.
Because you know, sexy isn't just the outside. Sexy comes
from the inside.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's a whole energy.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's an energy. It's like this person is giving sex.
There's a lot. That's a tough one. There's a lot
to choose from there's a lot of sexy women to
choose from. Sincerely, I'm like, yeah, Tianna.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Taylor, should we find it? Yes, Tiana Taylor, phenomenal? Should
we give like a top like a shortlist?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
A shortlist? Five? Are you gonna? Are you gonna chime in?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I can chime in?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, so I did one for we'll call it six
because we'll each have to do three.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay, Cap Blanchett, Okay, yes, Stun, I'm not mad.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Obviously, top to bottom obviously obviously. Okay, okay, stand by
stand by Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Sabrina Carpenter. Okay, so we went. We went like a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Younger, I know, and I felt bad about that. I
can go back.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I can go weird because I feel like I can't
go younger.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
You can't and I didn't feel I could. I don't
know how old she is. So let me take that back?
Is that is that? Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I give you, I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I believe she's an adult.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
She's an adult, but it is younger.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, So no, we're gonna go.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
We're gonna go, which is totally okay. I think for you.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Well, now I feel in trouble. So okay, so I'm
gonna go. Okay, a different sexy woman and we say
woman like that, so I remember, it's clear it's a
woman who's lived a full life. Okay, stand by, if
you will. Hold on. Someone's coming to me. In my dream,

(20:12):
someone's coming to me. I'm trying to grab her. Hold on.
It's hold on. There's someone coming to me. There's she's
coming to Okay. I think it's that this woman's name
m Rachel McAdams did that for you. I did that

(20:33):
for you. Okay, go go, Okay, this is awful.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
He took like three minutes with the last one.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I know, maybe we could do the whole podcast episode.
Could just.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Let me think.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I know it's hard, it's hard under pressure, Pike. I'm
gonna tell you what that is. A beautiful name. I
don't know who that is off name. If you start
name credits, it's not gonna help.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, I'm gonna google.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
We're taking a Google break.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
She was one, I mean, she was in I'll just
say one credit that she really like Okay, I'm like
a bit of a sex sexual awakening for me was
when she was in Die Another Day. Yes, Okay, the
Bond movie. I do know her, Yeah, I do know her.
I thought spectacular and gone Girl.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gone Girl. That's what's gonna I'm like, miss gone Girl.
Oh hold on, let me see if my girl hold on?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
And she played a villain. She played a battie in
the new Now You See Me movie.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, I'm not mad at it. You know what I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I'm gonna say, this is your last pick.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is my last pick. Shoot you. I gotta make
it really good. I'm gonna go. I don't know how
old she is either, I don't know how old anyone is.
Now I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail over
this list. Okay, I'm gonna say, hold on, hold on,
she's coming to me. Okay, she's coming to me again.

(21:59):
It's between. I'm gonna say, Rosa, I did that for Ethan.
You did it for I did that for Ethan.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Latin and Latina body, Okay, I mean okay, I'm thinking
now now you find me, I'm thinking like all like
need women.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I want well, you don't have to know Latinas, but
I want to encourage you to go go wide, go far.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yes, you feel me?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Should we take a commercial break here. I'm kidding. I
don't know that if we do.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, it's you know, I think maybe it's like
Megan Fox, is that too basic? I feel like it's not.
I'm not I have my take back.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You can have a take back, Sine.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's just because it's Megan.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
You know that's of course, Okay, if you want to
go different, we're going to let you do one take
backs because I.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Was, yeah, I was. I was having dinner with one
of my castmates the other night and she was like,
I don't want to hear whatevery like I want to
hear your hear me out. Okay, you know what I mean,
hear me out? So what make it interesting? Yes, not
that anything, not that. Anything we've said is like, h
like beautiful, Oh this is a cool like this is
a sleeper pick?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yes, do you want to do a sleeper a sleeper
baddie or you want to stick to your guns?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm not that she's even asleep now.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't I know, because now we've called the person exactly. Now,
it's like that qualifier. Do you want to go someone else?
Do you want to do you want to take back? Sine?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I mean I'm always floored by Samahayak Georgina Hamilton.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yes, there you go, that's her name to me. Yeah, gorgeous.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm so glad we did this.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I am.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's worth the people's sexiest women Alive. We should make
it thanks.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Dads, not people's f people, because they didn't do it.
We did it, Thanks dads, Sexiest women Alive, and we will.
And it's never just one woman. It's going to be
six women.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yes, each year. I love that. A split cover, it's
a split cover. Yeah, so people will buy six times
as man.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes, well I'm thinking of all six people.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh, a spread, a.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Little spread, and nothing over sexualized like head shots, proper headshots,
because that's whe're trying to be.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's what sexiness is. That everything, it's.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Everything, it's your essence. It's a vibe. How did it
feel for you to be deemed an icon? A sex
icon for the people? According to who I saw the Internet,
I saw the internet talking. I follow you on the Internet.
We follow each other unless you one followed me. Okay,
we follow each other and the people are talking, and

(24:37):
you've been popping off on the internet.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Off you have been?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, okay, did you feel worried about popping off.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, I've had I've had a whole kind of circuitous
kind of relationship with the internet because I think before
I think before you like break and you have that
moment of visibility. You you know, you can kind of
say whatever the hell you want, and generally, you know,
you'll find some people who agree with you. People are
generally supportive. And then you break. You had this like
moment of visibility, and of course the studio kind of

(25:08):
like trots you out in front of literally everyone because
they don't care about you. They're just trying to sell
the movie, you know, which I understand. Business is business. Yeah,
but then you know, people start to have opinions about
you that aren't positive because they're like, man, why is
this guy being shoved down my throat? And of course
it's like, well, I'm not shoving myself down your throat.
It's like the studio's making me come here, and very generously.

(25:29):
I was paying for a comment, you know, but but
it's my job to come and promote. And I think
that that's the thing that I wish that people realized
a little bit more, was that people get overexposed because
they you know they're contractually obligated to. And then you know,
you start to read things about yourself online, and I
read stuff about myself online, feel like everyone does, even

(25:51):
if they say they don't, And then you know, it
kind of makes you shrivel a little bit because it's
you know, that moment is supposed to be so triumphant,
it's supposed to be such a celebration, and then I
think it just oftentimes there's always that kind of moment.
Following every kind of moment of momentum and positivity, there's

(26:12):
always like that negative. It's like an aftershock.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
There's like a threshold where it's like it's not going
to stay positive. They're going to turn on you exactly,
which is why I feel very reticent to even like
engage with praise too, because I'm like, you just kind
of open a door. Yeah, so I'm placing a value
on what people who don't know me have to say
about me or my work, for sure, And once I

(26:38):
do that, once that turns from positive to negative, I'm
susceptible to that impact as well. And so you popped
off because you stopped giving a fuck or you care.
What you're popping off about is something you care about.
But I'm like, did you what what shifted in you

(26:58):
where You're like, actually, I just want to say my piece.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And I think I think it was like over the
last few years, just having this journey with myself of
like I am getting smarter, I think, and I'm I
am getting I'm being more deliberate about how I present
myself online and what I say. And then it's like,
but then how much of that I think I was
questioning how much I was overcorrecting and how much I

(27:22):
was like not in my natural rhythm, I e. Like
maybe shying away from myself if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So I'm like, by nature, I think I can be
like a pretty I like to call things out, especially
when it's you know, systemic injustice or like people being
bullied unfairly or you know something I like, that's just
something that's so innate to my personality. So if I'm
censoring myself constantly, I'm not being kind of true to
to who I am, So I might as well. I

(27:54):
think it was like, I might as well just stick
to my guns and how I feel. Yeah, and then
if people don't like that any fuck themselves, he said, it.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
He said it, and he's two middle fingers, not very Canadian.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, no, I know what happened to. Sorry, I'm trying. Yeah,
you're trying to be the first time I said sorry, Yeah,
the first time I came to LA like for a
pilot season, I think I said sorry, said it got
beaten out of me, it got bullied out of me.
So sorry, Oh there you go. Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, Sorry.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
You know, I I think that's really respectable. And I
genuinely just because I understand you're like, you get thrust
into the spotlight and then you're like, Okay, I don't
want to operate in a way that's upsetting or where
I'm going to get like an influx of negativity thrown
at me, and so you're like, okay, let me just
sort of yeah, yeah, maintain some form of neutrality. And

(28:45):
if that's so counter to who you are, that sucks.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's it's it was getting to a point where I like,
I'm I don't know who I am anymore. If all
I am is trying to is reactive to this energy
of people, not even real people, by the way, bots,
some bots what I like, just words that I read
on a fucking screen then who am I?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, and so I think it was like, yeah, just
like lately, I've just been trying to reconnect with that.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Okay, yeah, say what I feel? Does it feel really liberating?
Would you say? Or it's like a little scary.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's a little scary, but it's also liberating.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, has it felt so the thing you're scared of
with being as vocal as you are now and stepping
more into that power, that the thing you're scared of.
Do you feel it's come to fruition or you've seen
it or are navigating it? Are you sort of like, oh,
I was scared of some reaction that I'm not totally
getting in a real way.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Sure, I mean I think I yeah, I think it's
happening to an extent, but it's I yeah, I don't
think it's as bad as I was like making it
out to be. Yeah, in my head, I think people
are gonna People are gonna say what they're gonna say,
and they're gonna and there are people online that like
are they're just bad faith people And so even if
you try your best not to say anything that might

(29:58):
be misinterpreted, they will find a way anyway. So you
might as well just go balls to the like, you
might as well stand in your fucking business and say
what you're going to say, and then that way they're
not going to misinterpret it.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, that's real. And people who want to misinterpret and
misunderstand what you're saying are going to do it no
matter what you say, no matter how well you cover
all your bases. And so yeah, I think you've got
the right idea there. I don't I don't know anything,
but it's what I'm starting to just to be clear disclaimers.
I don't know anything, but I think that it's I
think it's better that way. I think it's better. How

(30:31):
do your parents take reading anything about you online?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Ooh yeah, how do your parents take it?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I only have one, so it is your So we're
co hosting this podcast today. Okay, yeah, all right. My
mom does not go on the internet. Okay, so sincerely,
she's like, how do I check my email? Ago? So, yeah,
she's not reading anything. If anything, it's on the news,
and the news or anything she sees on the news
and on TV is like generally positive or just like

(31:00):
sort of information as opposed to takes on me, which
is nice. But how do your parents.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
My my mom is similar to your mom, and I
think she's relatively hands off, doesn't really know too much,
doesn't bother herself with it. My my dad, I think,
is taken to the Internet as a way to I
feel like he thinks it's an easier way to keep
in touch with me than actually calling me and like

(31:27):
talking to me. So he'll just like know, he thinks
that by keeping up with everything about me on the internet,
that he's like he knows me, okay, and so he
will yeah, I mean he'll basically like he'll regurgitate like
these headlines and I'm like, Dad, what do you do?
Like none of this is true? Yes, yes, please just
ask I'm the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're related,

(31:48):
We're related. You can ask. You can ask me.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But it's yeah, it's really sweet in a way. But
I know, like he's he's like chronically chronically online and
you try to do on two different social media by
the way, on the Chinese social media, which is an
entirely different social media, different platforms. Yes, and so I
mean that's he's retired, so like that is his.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Full Oh, he has time to check on his son.
Do you have siblings.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't. I'm annoly child.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh well, then he's really he's really interested. Is what
Chinese media is, social media saying about you generally positive?
Are people coming at you there?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And I feel like I feel like, now, yes, I
feel like maybe, man, that's a whole thing that we're
getting into.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I want to get If you're comfortable, I'm what you
feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I feel like there was initially when I was first
I think announced as shun Chie. I think there was
initially a bit of like trepidation when there's a bit
of like who you know, because you know, obviously that
market has their own extremely famous, extremely talented, you know,
star system, right, and and I think up to the

(32:54):
months of that announcement, there was a lot of speculation
about who it would be. And you know, I think
they had, you know, gotten it in their mind that like,
oh well there was like X and Y person that
deserved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and quite and maybe that
maybe that's true. I mean, I don't know, but all
I know is that I got the call for whatever reason,
you know. And and I think it was like maybe

(33:17):
some combination of like cultural protectivism and also maybe a
little bit of beauty standards that they were like, oh,
he doesn't really look like he came from he doesn't
look like one of us, all right, And yeah, I
think there was a lot of like, are you kind
of ugly?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
They think you're ugly?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I was, Yeah, I mean if you look at like
I think the fate like Chinese celebrities, yeah, and male celebrity.
I think there's like a very specific aesthetic that I don't.
I don't think I fit in all honesty.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, so I I guess what I'm saying is like
I get where they're coming from, and I don't think
I'm ugly.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'm like, again, not even close. What No, I'm not
trying to guess you friend, but I'm like, let's be serious.
But I understand when you when you were seeing that
sort of response, were you was, did you internalize any
of it? Did you feel not enough? Did you feel
like maybe did you were you dealing with some parts
of imposter syndrome or.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean I think it's something that I think
if you, I think everyone deals with imposter syndrome in
some way, shape or form in this industry. I think
it's maybe worse if you are a person of color,
and I think it's maybe doubly worse if you didn't
have any sort of connections to the industry at all.
So you just I and that was me. I couldn't
have had less of anything to do with Hollywood or

(34:36):
entertainment before I decided to be an actor. And you know,
I think that's part of why my journey has resonated
with so many people. But it's also the same reason
why I feel like totally out of place sometimes. Yeah, yeah,
and yeah. So I think makes me vulnerable to internalize
a lot of the criticism that comes my way because

(34:56):
I think my gut instinct first is like, well, of
course there right, mm, because what do you what do
you know?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, it makes me like frustrates me, Like that is
a very human response you're having, of course, to go,
oh my gosh. Droves of people are saying this about
me and saying this about the opportunity I got, and
maybe I didn't deserve it or it's not aligned, and
so you're like, oh, maybe there's something. As an empathetic person,
which I assume you are, is like, you go, maybe
there's something to what they're saying. And it frustrates me

(35:26):
because I'm like, you know, when you come at someone
like that, you're you're making them feel bad, and you
shouldn't have I don't think been made to feel bad
about that. It's what is meant to be like a celebratory,
triumphant moment of like, I got this call, I got
this role. It's going to change my life, my family's life. Yeah,
I'm now, you know, dealing with this better.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
By the way it did. It did all those things, yeah,
you know, and it wasn't like the first time I
read it, I was like, oh my god, it's true.
Like there, you know. I think there's a process through which, yeah,
when something is just hammered enough and enough, it's just
I think chips away at you. And especially I feel
like if you come from comedy, it's like you're like, yeah,

(36:08):
I'm gonna find a way to make this funny. I'm
gonna own it. I'm gonna deflect it and talk about it, yeah,
reclaim it. But then it just becomes a part of
your like mental cycle, and then it's just in there,
yeah somewhere of course, you know, and you might not
think it is, but then it just it just comes
up and before you know it, you wake up. It's
like two years later and you're just like, I'm off rhythm.
I'm you know, I'm out of my pocket. Yeah, it's

(36:30):
just like, it doesn't matter who you are, doesn't matter
how famous or how much money you have. I think
everyone knows that feeling is terrifying.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, did you do you go to a therapy?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I did? I did. I'm not in right now. Yeah,
I'm totally fine. No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I'm good. No, I just go on your podcast and
we'll talk about it and I'll offer nothing. But this
was free, and I have zero credential, and I'm like,
let's name sexy women. That's what our therapy is. Let's
so wait, how long did you do therapy?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I did it for I did it for about a year.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, yeah, I have thoughts about therapy share.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
No, no, no, no, it was it was a great
process for me. I have thoughts about where I was
at going through going through therapy. I think I I
it was like precipitated by like this breakup that I had,
and then.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
We'll do it. They're crazy. Was it a was it's
a big breakup?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Then if it was like it was like a nothing,
it was like a situation ship. But I think those
are the ones that kind of fuck you up.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, the short ones, I would say, the shorter ones stay. Yeah,
yeah those are And.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
If you have some abandonment issues sprinkled in there, it's
like the worst thing.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
It truly feels life entered. Yeah, and we know it's
not that deep to actually know, but your emotions have
not caught it.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
No, they're in like a they're in a spiral that, yeah,
that you can't get out of.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
How long was the situation ship?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
It was like five weeks. I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's always the short those are the ones to look
out for, those short situations ships.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
So you went to therapy, So I started, Yeah, Yeah,
and I had I mean I was I mean, I
wasn't hysterical, but I was like going through a rough
a rough time. Yeah, And and that was it was
weird that that was the reason why I did. But
then it obviously started to unlock all these other things
in me and I was like, oh, yeah, it's not
not trying to just feel better after a breakup.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, there's some other things there, and they're like okay,
we uncovered what they are, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Out, like thank you.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Thank you, twelve.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I think this is how it works.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
This is plenty.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
No, I think I just got I don't know. I
think I just fell out of it.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, it's easy to you travel a lot, the same
thing with the physical therapy and the exercises and staying
in that consistent between.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Is there anything I should tell Ethan to Maybe Ethan
should get.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
A go and get a license and get a license
so he could be just.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Be like emotional and physical therapist.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Wait, I mean, is there anything you do consistently that
you feel like I don't fall out a step in
this thing in this area.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Maybe exercise, I'm trying to make that exercise okay. But
I'm also i'm as I'm saying it, I'm like, no,
I maybe don't. And I think maybe that's why life
gets so hard for me sometimes when I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Like therapy, I'm uncovered here, and you think you're unqualified.
I have a biology degree. Wow, couldn't tell you anything
about it? What did you study because you studied Deloitte?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I studied. I studied finance and accounting.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Oh, you were a finance bro.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I was a want to be I was a want
to be financed bro. All the finance bros went to
like Goldman Sacks and investment banking, and I like wound
up and obviously Deloitte is that I'm not trying to
sooner by. Yeah, it's Big four, but you know, just
know that it's just the fact that out of business
school all the you know, like the Goldman Sacks and
the Merrill Lynches are like those that's cream of the crop.

(39:43):
And then it's like management consulting and it's like literally
everything else sales and trading. Okay, you know, everything else
in finance, and then like somewhere on the very bottom
is like accounting.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Is oh, you were in accounting. I was an accounting Yeah, no,
I'm kidding. So you did you get an MBA too?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
No I didn't. I didn't, thankfully. I was fired. I
was fired like a week before I turned twenty three.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Wait, why'd you get fired?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I got fired because I well, I hated my job
and I was terrible as sure, but I I skipped
work to be an extra on a on a movie set.
It was Germo del Toro Pacific Rim And there was
a Craigslist ad. Yeah, okay, that I answered. I was
at the office literally when I answered it, okay, And
and then and I thought I was going to be

(40:27):
like a movie.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Star, really off being an extra.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah yeah, making eleven dollars an hour.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
This is true when you got fired, how quickly prophetic
it was, because now look at you on my podcast.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't think
Germo del Toro knows who I am, but he's he
played a very very very crucial role in my career.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
We'll have to tell him. Well, Simum, we've met Ethan,
and I have a surprise for you. Is not here.
He's not here, but well, hopefully somebody saw where. We'll
help you out with that. And if you get to
meet him, let him know. I would love to be
to y unrelated, it could be like a package. Maybe, yeah,
I have to be there. But when you got fired,

(41:10):
were you scared to tell your parents? Of course you
were scared.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh yeah, no, I didn't tell him for a long time.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
How long did Okay, where were they living? Where were
you living?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I was living in downtown Toronto. They were living I
mean they were in Mississauga, which is about thirty minutes away. Okay,
and so we weren't that far sure, but you know,
Asian parents and their kids. It's just this like big
toxic cycle of lying to each other. Okay, great always
and so yeah, I got I got fired. I was like, obviously,

(41:37):
I'm not going to tell my parents, and then I,
you know, I started like acting and at that point
I also wasn't telling them anything. And I kept up
the lie until I booked a national commercial that was
like about to air across the country and it was
back when people still watched like everyone was watching TV

(41:58):
right right TV. But uh yeah, it was like I
wasn't going to be able to hide it from them anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
How So, how long did the lie last? How long
were we lying?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Like maybe like two months?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Oh, you're a good liar, yeah, which I did.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Okay, I'm an ares that's fire. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Why do I know so much for a girl? I
don't understand why I know so much about it?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Just people. I feel like people are constantly talking about it,
and it's one of those things that you just like
absorb brismosis.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Okay, Yeah, is that the biggest lie you've ever told them?
That you were employed when you weren't.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, that's probably a big one. Yeah, And the craziest
thing too is my dad had like I think because
we had opened I'd open my bank account under his,
under his so I got like a severance package and
he was like why did you get all this money?
All of a sudden, I like made up this whole
elaborate thing where I was like, oh yeah, because like
they want to like pay me in advance because I'm

(42:51):
about to go on study leave and so they just
want to make sure that they you know, it's their
company policy where they like front load the money so
that like you have you know, living spence is taken
care of while you're while you're studying for the accounting.
I don't know, it's like a crazy Do you.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Think he had any hunts that you were lying?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think, you know what, maybe he suspected, but I
think the whole like he's lying because he started auditioning
to be an actor and is now going to be
in a national commerce. I think that was that was
like a complete like truck.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Were they proud when they found out you were in
a commercial?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Absolutely not No, No, they might as well. I might
as well have been like imporn, Like they were like,
this is embarrassing, what are you doing? Okay, Yeah, I
remember I was doing a good job too. Is for
like a like a telecom thing. It was for Bell.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh yeah, Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Bell like mobile. It's like, uh it's it's literally it's.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
T mobile and kay okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So I was like on my phone. I was a
small business owner, was like on my phone. I was
like on my was so busy I was. I was
doing a lot. I was zero acting training. I was
like in my bag.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah. I sometimes I'm like, don't have me do too
much and I can't whistle while I work. Let me
just say my lines all this choreo. So you were
doing all of it first act.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I was like yeah, because he was, you know, it
was showing how what was it? It was like how
the small business solutions scale up with you. And so
it's like as your business gets busier. So I was like,
I'm on the phone, but I'm an email and then
I'm like looking over. I remember I was like looking
over and I was like, oh, no, not that, because
you know, someone had brought in a rack of clothes
and I was like, no that one, okay, give me.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So you were in this commercial for like a good
chunk of I'm like doing a terribly right now. No,
I'm fully invested in It's like a thirty second commercial.
Was a sixty second Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
No, I made a meal of it. It round up
being there's a seven minute cut somewhere.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay of just like really acting. And your parents were
not impressed or like, he's this is porn, this is
this is the.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Most embarrassing thing. My parents are both electrical engineers.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Oh and that'll do it. And you know they were, yeah,
they were like, how do they feel about you doing finance?
Was it still like okay? Okay?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, I think they'd made peace with it. Yeah, I
think the I think in their dream world, I'm I'm
what they are, what they were, or like a doctor.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Okay, right, that's it. Those are the options. I get it.
You know, I'm a child of immigrants as well. I
get it. Did you tell them about your very first girlfriend?
Mum m, when did you get a girlfriend?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I mean, this wouldn't even really count, but I was
like twelve, yes, no, but we never but I had
a girl, my first girlfriend, and I never kissed you did.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Did you hold hands?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah? We held hands and we slow danced at the
We slow danced at the at the school dance room left.
We left room for Jesus in the middle.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
And Jesus is like, why do people keep saying that
I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Want to be in the middle sandwich between two children.
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't want to be a yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah yeah, And she was this was a big deal.
But she she was a friend of a friend and
so she didn't go to our school. And I think
that really freaked my dad out when he like found
out that.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
She didn't go to your school. Yeah, why did you
go to a private school? And she went to public
She went to public school.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I don't think she went to a public school either.
I think she went to like a more bougie private school.
But my dad didn't know that. He was just like,
who are you, Like, what are you even doing? Okay,
well you're dating, Like you're just going around dating night.
What are you twelve? You're twelve years old, you're taking
the subway and going to dates? Like, how are you
even managing this? And and yeah, he was right, it's
a fizzled. It's a lot of work, a lot she
didn't go to your school. I mean you think long

(46:37):
distances started turending long distance as a twelve year old.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, so how long did you guys last?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I think about two months? Nice, two months February to April.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Impactful amount of time for you.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, there were two there were two dances at that time.
Oh so we got to we got to do this
two times?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Did you perfect it by the second time?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I think so? Maybe it was like a little bit
closer than the first. Okay, yeah, Jesus, there's a bit
more waste and maybe a bit a bit lower.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh okay, okay, when did you have your first kiss?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Uh? Thirteen? I think a year late? Off of a dare?
When was your first kiss?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I know?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Does that even count?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Thirty two? Wow? Imagine?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Okay, so it happened yet.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
No I haven't. Yeah, twenty four. So back to Sabrina Carpenter.
It works for me because I'm twenty four. When was mine? Eighteen?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Eighteen eighteen? First case at eighteen?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, but almost like you see, but even but almost
just like I was, I didn't care about boys. I
just didn't care. I didn't care. And then even when
I did have my first kiss, I feel like I
was like, well, it's time. It wasn't like a it's
the equivalent of off a dare for me. It was like, yeah,
I think we should go ahead and just get this
going to thirteen. So yeah, but it wasn't It also

(47:48):
wasn't particularly romantic.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think, if I'm honest, now I'm just pretending you're
my therapist now, yes, But I think, if I'm honest,
I think I had such a strained and like cold
relationship with my parents that I was starved for affection.
And I think I, like, I really tried to look
for that in in Yeah, just.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Any any anywhere where else? Have you had a lot
of girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I've been. I think I think I was like messier
when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, you a playboy. I mean, oh, you didn't tell
me that we wouldn't be friends.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Oh no, I was like a little sixteen year old
fuck boy. Now you were a fuck boy. You were.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
You don't You can't lie to me. I can tell
when you're lying. Now you were a fuck boy, simou.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think when I was sixteen, I had a lot
of like I think the things that were in a
lot of sixteen year old's minds. Okay, And I remember
I would go to this website, you know, because you
guys had Cosmo and I read some Cosmo to try
to like it was like kind of reading the other
team's plays.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Right, yes, oh okay, wow, So that was helpful.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But I also had like GQ and like AskMen dot
Com and so in the absence of like a dad
that actually like knew enough about manhood or at least
what that meant in the West to actually like talk
to me directly about it, and that was like, Okay, GQ,
what do I need to What do I need to know?

(49:22):
I need to know how to make a whiskey, I
need to know how to I need to know cars.
What else I need to I need to know what
the g spot is? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Do you do you know what it is? Now?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Even I have a vague idea. No, I'm it's somewhere
on listening to.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
This and like, oh yeah, she's a great sport. We
love her, we love her. Okay, So what things did
GQ and Cosmo mislead you? Ontros?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's like very easy, Yeah, well, would would you say
like this very kind of inauthentic, like cookie cutter version
of masculinity? I guess, And a lot of what that
was kind of linked to was like I guess, you know,
maybe the age of like pick up artists, you remember,

(50:19):
like manipulative, manipulative and nagging and like all I guess
all that stuff that was like the blueprint that I
feel like a lot of guys that my generation kind
of built their their worldview on, I guess. And it's
very important that I say that. I've since realized. I've

(50:42):
since realized that this is very, very problematic and we
can't do that. We cannot allow things that we read
on the Internet to inform our our version of whether
it's masculinity or feminine. Like that's that's just we can't do.
We shouldn't do that, especially not AskMen dot com if
that even still exists, which I don't think it does.
I have to say, and the g spot exists, you guys, Okay,

(51:05):
I have to say.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
You regurgitated everything your publicist told you to say about
masculinity and femininity perfectly. That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, it's public didn't do we have the same publicist I.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Know?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Do you think she would tell me to say that?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yes, I saw the text. Oh okay, make sure I
saw the text. So you broke some hearts back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I mean, I think I was just.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Like it's okay if it's okay like a dude. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And I think I was like, oh yeah, casual dating, okay, Yeah,
that's like what you got to do.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
We're and we were not really introducing any of these
people to your parents, no any in any way.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And then I was in and then I was in relationships,
and I think I was in more relationships throughout my
twenties and thirties and yeah, yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Are things that you do feel comfortable talking to your
dad about? If like masculinity and how to be a
man in the Western world or whatever that or something.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
We have time, we have time.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, what do I feel comfortable? I feel like it's
tough generally kind of comfortab.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Ooh, maybe we can put some music over this, like,
you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
A fantastic I hope you don't cut the How hard
it is.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
For me to we won't cut it answer you have
my word, which is shocking to me.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's hard. It's really hard for me to open up
to him and to my mom.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, it's like they're I don't know how they're going
to handle it.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Have you ever tried I feel like this. I remember
being in some sort of situationship and it being devastating
the way it was going, and a friend of mine
who's like sort of a life mentor to me being like,
have you talked to your mom about this? And I
was like, what, lad are you talking about? Absolutely not.
She wouldn't know what to do with this. But then
in like years later, say I was in a similar situation.

(53:07):
Took me a while to learn anyway. I then was like,
maybe I will tell her a little about this, and
seeing my mom freeze up because it's like I don't
know what to do with what you're saying to me, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So do you feel like there's like it's there? What
do you talk to your dad about that? You feel

(53:28):
like this?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
About work? Work? About how much work I'm getting?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, And it's like it's it's weird because you know,
you know, we have whatever, we go through highs and
lows in our careers. And I'm not I've been very
I work pretty consistently, but like even when I have
like little tiny lulls, I get really nervous because I'm like, oh, shoot,
what if my dad asks what I'm doing next? And
I don't have an I don't have a clear answer
for him. And it's not that I would get freaked out.
I'm like, oh, I worry that he would get freaked out. Yeah, yeah,

(53:56):
that he would feel like, oh shit, well it's all over.
My son's fucking he's gonna get yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Does he take pride in your work now? Do you feel?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah? I think he. I think he does. My dad
was able to retire pretty pretty early thanks to you.
I think I think so. I didn't. I did not
pay him to retire, to be clear, but I think
I think in his mind he was like in it
for the long haul, like he was gonna he was
going to be financially supporting his starving artists on for
like a really really long time. And so when it
when it was finally clear that that wasn't he wouldn't

(54:27):
need to I think he was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Okay, to take time off. Did your mom work? Does
she work? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, they worked. They're both electrical engineers. Oh yes, he
told me that company, and and my mom tried to
retire at the same time as my dad. It was
during COVID and they were offering like packages, but they
wouldn't let her retire because my mom is three years
older than my dad. Okay, and so she was sixty
three my mom. My mom was sixty three, my dad
was sixty Okay, so sorry.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Mom, why would you put her out?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
But I know I just hung her out to fry.
So my dad at sixty requested a package. I think
I can't confirm this, but I think they thought she's
going to retire soon. Anyway, we don't have to pay her.
And so they made her work another like a year
and a half, knowing that she wasn't gonna quit. Yeah,
and then she retired shortly after.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh that's fucked up. Yeah, that's fucked up. Like give her,
give my girl a package, my girl a package.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And the craziest thing was my dad was like sitting
at home and he was getting paid. He got he
got paid like a up to like a year after. Yeah,
and so my dad and my mom were like making
the same amount of money and he was like waking
up at ten like watching TV, and my mom was actually.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Going to work.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Damn, that is crazy. And then and then there's you
they're watching on TV, which is exciting, yeah, and feeling
like maybe more connected because your dad's not able to
read about you instead of talking to you. But you're
saying that in your dating a little bit you felt starved,
perhaps of affection.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
At home and maybe like just into into miss.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, what's your love language.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I think it's physical touch. I think it's physical touch,
and then I think it's words of affirmation.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Okay, yeah, do you think you get either of those
things from your parents? Like that you're getting words of affirmation? No,
because your dad ever said I'm proud of you once
in a while.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Okay, once like twice in my in my life, Okay,
do you guys say I love you. We've tried. It's weird.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, I really like there was a moment in my
life where I was like, I'm going to change this.
I love you, and it was so weird.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I did it. In my family.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
We're gonna say stick.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
It's stuck now, we'll say, but I can tell some
people are still. Like one of my brothers is like, diddo,
dido yeah, And I was like, okay, yeah, black man
saying diddo to me. I'm like, I don't think i've
ever heard you say no other context.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
But he's like, I think I've just made peace with
the fact that they do. They do love me and
it doesn't have to be said yeah, and then I
just I shower it on other people in my life,
so I just throw it, you know, yeah, which is
nice hundred times a day.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Ethan. Yeah, he was uncomfortable though, with the love you think, so, yeah,
he was fidgeting.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
No, I think he was fidgeting because he was nervous
that he was being.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
On this podcast. And he did and planned. He didn't
get did he get grooming this morning too?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Not get grooming this morning?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
He looked great.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Somebody people worked on this.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Nobody worked on None of us are waking up like this.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
And and the man benches like a monster. I really,
you know, just to okay, just to I'm not trying
to glaze maybe over here, but I'm saying I've seen
you know. I'll do my I'll do my thing and
he'll be like, wow, that was really good, and then
he'll add forty five on each side. Then he'll just
rip it.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Out casually and I'll be like, oh, ladies, you need
to holler at Ethan. You follow Ethan on Instagram so
they can find him by going to the mamorick ethan mamorick. Yes, okay,
we're gonna go, and then we could just go onto
people Seemu's following Yes, look up ethan memoric. Yes, because
people might have questions about how to spell it.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
He's got two Instagram accounts and forces me to follow
both of them.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Is okay? Which is like, is one offence done're putting
him on blasts?

Speaker 4 (58:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
No, no, no, no one is this like personal? It's
not a fence dos public? And then one's like a
more professional okay, more professional one.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Okay, ladies, you decide which.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
One, and at the very least you should check it
out because I think it's got a lot of important
fitness information. You know, he puts like good content.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Okay, why are you laughing at that?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I'm just picturing him in the other room.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I feel like I heard him laughing, laughing. He's like,
how did this happen? Yeah, I don't know how it
happened because you went to physical therapy school and I'm
starved for affections and he needs a friend, and now
he's pimping you out so that you can get some
of the physical affectionate intimacy. Perhaps seamou didn't get at

(58:49):
one point? Wow, And it's all full circle, isn't it.
There you go, here we are, and here we are. Well,
I guess it's time for this segment that's called that's nice.
But what about me?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Okay? All right, yes, I'm looking forward to it. Are
we going to take a caller?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Not yet?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Oh, that's the wrong caller.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Do you want to skip over?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
No, no, no, no, you're you're s oh is you?

Speaker 4 (59:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
You're right?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yes, I understand you're jet lagged.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Irresponsible because I'm supposed to be the host.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Before we go into my segment. This ass backwards today.
You're jet lagged. I have no excuse for behaving today. Okay, there,
I'm gonna get a call from the president of the company. Okay,
we're giving gold, We're giving gold. I have a question
for you.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I'm manifesting your best rated podcast episode yet.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Come on, come on, come on, call it in and
I'm gonna okay, I want to know how you knew
Allison was the one? This is not the that's nice,
but what about me?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Actually maybe it could be? Okay, whatever, we'll make it.
That's nice. Can I ask where you're at and your Yeah,
I'm in a.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Relay, okay, but I'm private. So you have Allison, you
post Alison. Yeah, you started posting Allison, and I said
this to see me before the cameras came on. I
was like, he's going to marry her. You guys look
really good together, and so that's I know nothing about
your relationship, but I was like, they look really good together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
She makes me look really tall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
How tall are you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I'm like a five to eleven Maybe I put on
a nice heel, like a little six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Foot maybe on a three InChI old something, yeah, maybe
three in cheers. Great, Okay, how tall is she?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
She's five She's five foot, she's five foot even.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, you just pick her up. Okay, how did I
didn't mean it like that. I'm just thinking about a
little person. Okay. Anyway, it's time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Excuse me, you excused?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Wait? First of all, can you tell us tell me
how you met? I'm being nosey now, No, we met.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
It was a friend of a friend. We had one
of my best friends, went went to the went to
the same church as her brother. Okay, in college and
then and then they went to the same church in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
L A Alison and this person.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
In full disclosure, I am zero present religious.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I'm I'm Christian. I'm Christian, so I go to church.
I haven't been to church in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But I sense a little bit of hesitancy about which
part when you said you're Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
It's a whole thing. I talked about it on Caleb
Haron's podcast some people there, but I feel like he
made me articulate exactly how I feel about my faith.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Interesting, Yeah, which is I could say I can.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Sum it up here. It's just that sometimes the connotation
there when you say I'm Christian, and that make that
declaration what that brings up for people fair enough, it's
sort of like, oh, what's your vibe? What do you believe?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I am like, I really think Jesus is fantastic. That's
and that's and Jesus is cool, and Jesus loved everybody,
and that's sort of my vibe, attempting to love everybody.
I'm so imperfect. See if you can imagine, but I can't.
I'm thank you, a king perfect thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But I and I know that are coming out. Thank you,
you know what, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I'm not even gonna reject it, thank you, perfect, But
I just there's a connotation that I'm like, I don't
feel I related to and then there's a sort of
I would like to reclaim my faith if you will
be like, actually, I believe being a Christian is this,
and it's not hating people or telling people what to do,

(01:02:24):
because it's not a reflection of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I love that. To do that, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
And that's a poor summation. So in the comments, guys,
take it easy if you want the good summation. It's
a dissertation for sure, but I just need to know
about you. And but again we're co hosting, so it's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
And then we met at a Fourth of July barbecue
and I was seeing I was seeing somebody else at
the time, so I was just like, boy, this girl,
this girl is cute. But I I was like cooling back,
and it happened that was the girl that I was
in the five week situationship with the be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Before you were.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
And then yeah, and then I came back totally fine, No,
I mean perfect, quite happened that way. But but we
reconnected a few months later and when I was on
RAYA on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Rayah, we've had some raya stories on here, right, some
people finding it ineffective, you finding it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
A great time? She would, I know she would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
She would hate that, say it like that, we're not
going to cut it, but you need to go to
jail for that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
No, it was a great but it was. It was
a great time. But when I, yeah, when when I
when I saw her, I think there was a part
of me that got really excited. Yeah, and I and
I and I my opening message to her was like,
funny seeing you here, you know, like the Dummers. Okay,
but it was it was really great. And and then

(01:03:49):
we went on our first date, and and I just
kept missing her. Oh I think I just kept Yeah,
I just kept missing her, and I wasn't. I wasn't
maybe missing some of the other people that I was
seeing the same the same way. And and so that
quickly became one person that I was that I was

(01:04:10):
seeing that's really cool. And then and then not so
quickly after, but became a ring. But yeah, I saw yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I said, I knew it. I'd love to predict when
I see a new couple on Instagram, I'm like getting married.
I married in my head a couple on Instagram recently. Well,
I was like, they're getting married, and I had to
I have to tell another party that I'm like, just
want you to know. I'm calling it getting married. And
I'm really good at predicting, and so I feel partially
to think responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, I didn't realize you were, but I felt some
invisible hands.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
It's a special skill to be like this couple getting married.
It's also a special skill to be like, I think
that couple broke up. Haven't seen them post? Oh yeah, yea, yeah, yeah,
they've quietly exited each other's You and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Allison would be like, best, I want to meet her? Really,
she's a social media here, she's not here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Just Ethan though, Okay, that's fine for the that's nice,
but what about me segment? Because my question then being like,
how do you know you've met the one? And I
love that answer You kept missing her? That's really beautiful. Yeah, yeah,
genuine You're like, do you like it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Was?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I just worried that it's not profound, but it is?
Do you know that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Like, I'm not gonna know how to say it. There's
a Portuguese word for like a longing of for someone.
It starts with an s sour day. Maybe anyway, it's
like a uh, there is no English translation, but it's
like longing for someone. There's something that once was and
it's probably not totally applicable here because I don't know
if the person has to be out of your life,

(01:05:49):
but it's beautiful to just like there was a longing.
It sounds like and maybe that's better word than missing her,
but I like missing her because it was honest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, maybe this is like a mister thing, but like, ye, yeah,
I yearned.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
For so cool? Are you being sincere? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I think so, but you're not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I'm scared by the vulnerability, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I can tell. I can tell. But it's okay. You're
safe with me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
This is a vulnerable podcast, I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
And I thank you for being vulnerable genuinely. I love
love too. This is great, Thank you, Simo. But we
do have to now help a listener. So everything's not
all about you or all about me. We have to
help a listener. Is it going to hear a listener
calling for advice? Kevin? We're ready?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Is this live? This is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I'm currently abroad in a different country for an internship,
and I'm just I'm just not having a very good
time and I have four weeks left. It's been here
for six weeks, and I don't know, I'm just feeling
a lot of imposter syndrome and it's hard to i
don't know, just not be stressed out all the time

(01:06:58):
and you know, looking forward to go home. If you
had any advice about that that you could help me with,
because I need all the help it, honestly. Yeah, all right,
thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
All right, Oh guy, same, I'm gonna let you answer
and then I'll try to to that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I just feel like, what if I say the
wrong thing. It's okay, I've never been tasked with It's intense.
The Internet disagrees with me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
The Internet might, but remember we said, everyone's allowed to
have their opinion in your life, be you, and then
this person needs help and they want our perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
So I think of as I look back in my life,
a lot of the people that I've spoken to have
had like secondments or exchanges, or just periods of time
where they've they've they've lived abroad or in it just
in a situation that's different from what they know. They
often come back with a sense of perspective and worldliness

(01:07:56):
that is really good. And I would say not every
work situation can give you what they want. Not not
every job is fulfilling, and that sucks, and I feel
really really sorry that this person is not getting what
they want from that part of it. But I think
there's so much more to living in a different country

(01:08:18):
that I guess that whole experience has to offer, And
I would just hope that with the six weeks that
are remaining. I mean, this is totally different if something
actively toxic is happening at your job, but if it's
just like if you feel like it's not your vibe,
I would maybe encourage them to reframe and to really
just focus on what do I want to do in

(01:08:40):
these six weeks while I'm living in a totally different place.
What parts of myself do I want to explore and
to try to try to lean into that. Yeah, because
as you get older, you know, and as I get older,
I look back on a lot of like the you know,
the year that I spent shooting shang Chi in Sydney, Australia,
and it's like, Wow, I'm so grateful that I even

(01:09:01):
got that chance, and it's such a random thing to
be a you know, I was told that I was
going to be in Australia. I didn't choose it. Yeah,
but I'm so incredibly grateful for it. Yeah, and you know,
my hope is that that she would do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah. I think that is sound. I think that's great
wisdom there. So thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
And I agree with me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I am going to skewer you on the internet. What
a what a dumb thing to say for my fake account,
not just going in on you. I think that's good advice.
And I think like you have completed and the way
I was hearing, just like they'd done six weeks, they
have four more to go. I'm like, you're over the
halfway mark. The issue was like, I also don't necessarily

(01:09:44):
feel equipped to give advice in this case. I'm going
to try my best because I am a person who
will suffer. I will suffer through something and be like,
you just have to finish immigrants. We have that, and
I don't know if that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Totally. I had the exact think, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
I'm like, I don't know what to tell you because
I know myself. I'm like, I pushed through I'm like,
it's just four more weeks. But then there's something to
the art of quitting and knowing when to quit. And
if you are suffering and you're not learning anything about
the world or yourself, perhaps it is time to just say,
you know what, I tried something. I made it to

(01:10:22):
the six week mark out of ten total weeks. I'm
gonna go. Yet, if you are still learning in this,
in this challenge, if you are gaining a skill that
is going to serve you later in life, be it resilience,
be it being disconnected from familiarity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Just operating outside your comforta exactly, then it's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
It's worth it, I think, to finish. But if you're
in danger, if you're emotionally unwell, I would encourage you
want to. I hope you have support, the support around
you to help you, help see you through the end
of this experience. And if not, if these things, if
you are endangering you don't have support, and it's something

(01:11:02):
is like actively toxic and wearing at you in a
way that does not feel attenable, you should exit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yet I am a person who is like you just
gotta ride it out. But that's and I'm trying to
work on knowing when to quit. So I don't even
know if I'm the right person to ask me. But
that's all I could say about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
That beautiful thank you. I tried my best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Thank you, And are you gonna skewer me on the
internet now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
From a fake account so it'll feel like everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Okay, it's gonna be so many Okay, I've dealt with
that before. It turns out it will kill you. Yes,
it's crazy, y'all are wild for that, by the way. Okay, well, Simu,
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I love talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
You're the best. I haven't seen Simu since you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Hosted ran into each other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
It's something I feel like we were at some party
where we were packed like sardines a few years ago
in La. I feel like that is a thing anyway.
But it's wonderful to see you again, and thank you
for coming on here. Appreciate you. Bye, y'all. I love
that conversation with Simulio. What a dream. I love him.

(01:12:07):
How fun is he? How vulnerable? What a king a prince?
Among us? His new show, The Copenhagen Test is available
for your viewing pleasure now. It's out there in the
world again. I know I said the holidays are upon us.
I'm still feeling the weight of them. Sorry, not sorry,

(01:12:29):
I feel the weight of the holidays. The same goes
for birthdays. What are we getting each other a gift
card and we're gonna love it and we're gonna we're
gonna love it and we're gonna keep it and we're
gonna smile and we're gonna be so grateful anyone got
us anything. But I think gift cards are acceptable. Let's
stop shitting on them, and let's watch Semou's show together

(01:12:49):
as a community. All right, Bye, y'all. Thanks Dad. Is
a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast.
I'm your host Aego wodem Our producer is Kevin Bartelt,
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