And the Empire Strikes Back & Never Turn Your Back on Them w/ Ben Rappaport

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Done Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm one of your hosts, Kara Clink and.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm Liza Trigger, and we're here talking SVU, True crimes,
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
WhatsApp, what's up.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We're recording this the day after Oscar's birthday, so I
have a bit of a throwing a barbecue hangover, but
I'm taking him to dine next week.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
So that's the real party, the real parties next week. Well, yeah,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
So you did a like a Memorial Day birthday combo
or no mention of Memorial.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Day, not really any mention of Memorial Day, and honestly, like,
I really wanted it to be very small. And then
he was like, I just want to invite five girls
from my class. And I was like, none of you
are like the boys, because I know you're friends with
some boys in your class.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
He's like, Nope, just these five girls.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And I was like, well, I'll invite everybody and like,
I bet it's Memorial Day, people can't come, And then
four out of five could come, So it turned into
like a bigger thing than I thought. But it was
really cute because he's really into princess dresses and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
He got an Elsa dress for his birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
He got this beautiful butterfly dress that I paid out
of the nose for.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
And then how much our butterfly dresses going the Honestly,
it was in the high sixties.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I was just surprised for like a size five little
kid dress.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Like it was so because it's like it's like a costume,
but he looks like he looks really pretty in it.
But he wanted dresses. And then all these girls came
to the party and they wore dresses, and one girl
brought a bunch of dresses for the girls that didn't
so they all like dressed up and it turned into
this little cutie princess party. It was really cute.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
The cake was there, Like the cake was it princess
or like what the cake was?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Ariel Okay specifically requested even though he wanted an Elsa dress,
he wanted an aerial cake. He's really an equal opportunity.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Princess fan from the waters to the frozen yes, exactly,
to the frozen peaks of.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Aarondel to the deep water. Well.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
When I was in that New Orleans swamp store, there
was one tree that I guess they used in Princess
and the Frog. It's like a famous kind of squirrely
dirly like tree, a lot of brand branch. It has
a lot of branches in character.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're he's really looking forward to doing the Tiana ride,
the Princess of the Frog ride at Disney.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
It's like a new.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay, wait, it's like a log so it'll be the
two of you at Disney, kind of recreating you know,
older sister stuff. Yeah, Tiana, Okay, I'm excited. I'm excited
to see what what thing he chooses to buy.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, yes, his one thing. It's gonna be tough for him,
but yeah, he's excited. He really wants Tiana. Apparently, you
get really wet, so I'm like, gonna just have to
bring separate like new clothes.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
A friend gave us some ponchos because she was like,
be prepared. You get really wet, and.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, so full full birthday magic.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, full birthday, magic accomplished. He had a great day.
He had he really was.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Is Gabby's dollhouse out?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, he's still into it, but it's like taking a
back seat to princess stuff right now, like just really
finding Sophia the first on Disney, like all these like
new little princes Sofia, Yeah, yeah, I mean Rosie doesn't
allow it, so it has to be when he's like
alone or she's busy or something, you know, so it's interest.
Doesn't she allow anything princess. She won't watch a movie

(04:03):
with a princess, like, she won't like she's like, we
can't watch Frozen. We get so he has to watch this.
If he gets up before her, he can start watching stuff.
And then if she comes out, we have to keep
it on.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
What is it? Pokemon? What do you want?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Obsessed with Pokemon right now? Obsessed? Did I talk about this?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, but I you know Pokemon, there's never it never ends.
There's so much it never ends.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
She has a full book now, a full album with
all the cards. And then for Oscar's birthday, we wanted
to get her something so she wouldn't be like super jealous,
and Jared got her this Pokemon set and now she's
like even more more obsessed. It just keeps going down
and down, and when she draws, she's just drawing different Pokemons.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
It's like wild.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well. I took her to a birthday party, like at
a bere on like Saturday that was like kids welcome.
She sat at a table and drew Pokemon the entire time, like,
didn't talk to anyone, didn't make a scene, didn't run around,
sat and drew Pokemon.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
They've really taken over. Yeah, yeah, they're obsessed.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't know what if the Internet is real or not,
but I saw there's like an exhibit of Pokemon skeletons
what so it's like dinosaurs, but it's like the Pokemon
skeleton bodies, so exactly.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah bodies.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, so it's kind of like spooky with the
bones and you know, fun with the pokemons. Pokemon Fossil
exhibit to debut in North America at Chicago's Field Museum.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
That makes sense, That makes sense, Yeah, because kids don't
want to learn anymore. So it's like, here are the
bones of this cartoon, and maybe that'll get the funding going.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
So true, maybe this will spark some joy in palaeontology,
but maybe not well.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Also, when I saw on the internet, I'm so anti AI.
I'm like against AI so much, I hate it. But
I did find a corner of AI that I am
very into. And it's basically like Atlanta Housewives reunions. But
they're all babies. Yes, it's the junk box. It's the
junk box AI stuff. Yeah, there's like that.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
They're the thing.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm pretty sure they're the same people who made the
like SVU babies and like the Sopranos babies and the
Sex and the City's babies.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like I watched one too, I watched one We're Fit where.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
One I wish just one, I mean a.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I just love them joggers.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I watch the joggers.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And they're like they have sippy cups and legos and
like funny things in their hands as they're doing it.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's just like kind of a blessing.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I guess it's like that's the kind of thing that
is funny and not okay, But it's a little bit
more excusable because it's not like anybody could really get
babies to do all that, Like you could never dress
up babies and get them to lips in you know,
we're not stealing someone's art. Like you could not dress
up babies and have them lips and housewives scenes they're
too small and yeah, but you can do like there's

(07:00):
other ways to make it without AI, Like there's anime,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I'm still anti AI, yes, but not live action.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
If you want to see and have the joy of
what you watched, that's the only way to do it
is through it.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
No way, they just did a live action Lilo and Stitch, Like,
there's other ways to make I guess, yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
You could do fully computer generated.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Anyways. I did see Beyonce. I went to Beyonce, I
went to you Deaf, I did. I went Sunday Nights
to Beyond Way and it was, I mean incredible, truly
incredible in all most stunning person, most beautiful voice, amazing outfits, dancing,

(07:45):
the video, like everything is incredible. I know.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm so bummed because she did about seventy five dates
in LA and the tickets were so available at the end,
and I just, you know, I need to plan, Like
I can't just be like all right, I'm going tonight.
I mean, I can sell times, but it was too
hard when she was here, I just couldn't make it work.
But I'm sad because now everybody says how awesome it is, Well.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
That's no surprise, you know, it is Beyonce. I don't know,
I thought.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I didn't think it was gonna be Yeah, I knew
it was gonna be incredible, but I was like, I
don't know, crying probably instantly. But she also she just
gets it because it's like goga where it's like, yeah,
put on a little video, let us run to pee.
So I even got to pee once, so that was
like really exciting for me as well. Like she just
like she just lets us have sitting breaks, and I

(08:32):
appreciate that. And it's just funny when people when the
fan base is older. It's like when I went to
a backstort, it's just like everyone was behaved, like everyone
just looked cute, but I only saw one drunk person.
I mean, I'm sure people were drinking, but everyone was
just like so happy to be.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
There and behaved.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
So it's like it's just funny because I think about
myself as a teen and I just was like a menace,
a menace at these concerts and I just don't even
see the teens being menace.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
But maybe there's somewhere else, you know, But yeah, I
was a menace too.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I lit a cigarette out of Britney Spears concert, like
what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Like Christop.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It was also my first time I met life and
I really enjoyed the wind, like I liked feeling outside,
like I liked being in the open air. And she
flies around a couple times in cool objects.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
And wait, where's my life?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's Jersey, but it's where the football teams play, the
Jets and the Giant Okay, I got it.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, but pretty easy to get to.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean, obviously pandemonium after the concert, but like really
easy to get Oh, I'm actually a genie. I had
my eyes open because I had depeat. I did drink
before the concert, and I had to pee. But I
found the perfect like I mean, the driver was a
little confused, but I made him pull over. I found
like a space and there was like a construction site

(09:55):
with one big bush. It was like it was like
a place that said like Lisa p here. It was
kind of crazy. It was like a triangle of cement
enclosures with a giant bush. But Julia said she could
see the top of my hair over like the cements.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But I even got to like pee before we got there,
which was like a thrill, which was a thrill.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mixed a lot of denims. Everyone looked cute. I
think I love a theme. I love a theme, like
I feel I wasn't a part of BRAT, but like
with the Eras tour, everyone everyone just like leaned in
and this is kind of more succinct, like everyone is
going for the country western vibe, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, And I liked looking at everyone.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
It was kind of an overstimulation of everyone's amazing act.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's so funny that you just brought up BRAT Because
our friend was at the party last night and he's
working on a project with Charlie XCX, and he was like,
let me show you the first text Charlie xx sent me,
and he scrolled and they actually have a lot of
text messages together.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I was surprised.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
And he went up, up, up, and when I get
to the top, it goes, hey, so and so this
is Charlie XCX.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
He was just like, it's really, it's like that's not
your real name.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like it's just funny to be like, hi, this is
Charlie XYX, like do you, Like, I wonder if Lady
Gaga writes people and it's like, hi, it's Lady Gaga,
Like no, but I think she says Gaga. Yeah, I
think she Gaga. Like I was surprised that she did
just say, like, hi, it's Charlie. But then it's like
you could know other people named Charlie.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So yeah, I was like watching a Charlie podcast with
Jack Shane Jake Shane, and she's just awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I wish I didn't miss the Brat train. It just
was too aggressive for me. I mean, I was listening
to the album, but I wasn't. I didn't go to
the concert or anything.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I should have. I should have.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I just like everyone in one theme, I loved Beyonce.
I didn't really listen to this album so I can't
wait to get into it now and like really be
in it. Oh you know, late to the party, but
thrilled to me.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think that was the other thing to me with
not going was that the album is good, but it's
not my favorite. Like I wish I'd gone to Renaissance, honestly,
Like I really wish I had gone to.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, there was a Renaissance portion of the concert that
was in. Yeah, there's also these like gold robot things
that I loved, and I don't know, there's just like
it just was too much. It was insane, and I
loved seeing the kids. It really was like otherworldly. I
don't know how to compare it, because I lose the
kids is like seeing like Beyonce but so hard. Oh

(12:21):
and then she did like a medley in the middle
of like all the hits and so. And I would
say the most electric moment was to the left, like
I would say to the left Renaissance, but to the
left is when for some reason it really took over
my spirit but irreplaceable.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
And the visuals were good, I mean all around.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's like it was just fucking fantastic and it was like,
I'm so glad I got to go.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, she's she's the best of what she does. She's amazing.
We'll see, maybe it'll come somewhere where I can go.
I mean, like I want something to play at the
sphere that I want to go to. Well, the Fact
and Grateful Dead, yeah, the Backstreet Boys. I don't know
if I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
I want Miley. I want Miley. I want Mia. Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Wait, and then the AMA is like a big flop.
I don't know if you even care. Like I'm not
really into like the you know, second and third kind
of tier award shows, but you know, I like pop.
I want to see a dress, like, let's see what's up.
The AMAS were such a flop that six out of
the seven Album of the Year nominees didn't show up.

(13:29):
They could not even they only gave out six awards
because no one came, like ninety percent of the awards
could not be awarded because people just were not there
and tons of people did not even send videos, and.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, that's so sad. And then I woke up this morning.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
The first thing I saw that was j Lo performed,
and things are not going great for j Loo either.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I did turn it on.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I had like during Memorial Day, and I wo I
watched Rene rap sing okay, but she seemed like she
didn't even want to be there, you know, like I
don't know, like she's so cool, but it just was like, ye, we.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Got a sunset some of these award shows. I mean,
like the age of the award show is not you know,
it's just not you know, no.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
We just know too much about p R and all
the things and all of that, and it's just it
doesn't have the allure of when we really didn't see celebrities.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, yeah, who's gonna be there? What are they going
to be wearing? Who are they?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Like?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Are they there with anybody interesting? I mean I watch
Nikki Bell comment on everyone. Yeah the fashion. Oh I've
also been being gas lit, betrayed and poisoned. Okay, So
my laundry woman, she knows, she knows I'm fragrance free.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
She knows.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So I get a batch. It kind of feels fragrancy.
But I have to go to New Orleans. I don't
even think about it. Pack my clothes. I break out.
My thighs are fully broken out. I have back to
my and under my arm. Where are my hot zones
of my allergies? Because I get pedicures and I know
they're using wild fragrances, nothing happens to me. Yeah, just
like very concentrated. So I'm broken out everywhere. But I

(15:05):
don't want to start a full fight with her. So
I go in with the bat and I go, hey, girl,
remember fragrance free, cold water, fragrance free. Because I always
do like offended, right, She's like, oh, I always do.
I always do. Come on, look it says it here.
I go, all right, bitch, So I bring it back
full fragrance. I mean it's like it hits you in
the face. How much fragrance is in there. I cannot

(15:25):
wear it. So now I'm like, and it's a it's
a big heavy order. So I have like nothing to wear.
I have to go to souls. I have to go
to soul cycle. But so like, so I go to
her with one. I go, girl, it has fragrance, and
she smells and goes, you're crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I go, look at my thighs. She goes, that's just allergies.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I go, yeah, allergies to what you're doing with fragrance
and she just gaslights me. So I go, fine, I
have to go to my you know, I have to
go to Taylor Swift Ride.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So I then my cleaning lady to Tony comes by
and I text her, I go, can you please smell
the batch?

Speaker 4 (15:59):
I go, tell me there's fragrance. If I'm fully.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Losing my mind, but like I I've been so careful,
like I'm breaking out to something.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
She smells it.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
She goes, oh, honey, it's definitely fragrance, all the all
the way fragrance. I'll put it all back into the
dirt like I'm not. I won't put it in deer closet.
And then Julia comes over before Beyonce. I'm like, smell
the bag and she goes, this is it smells like game,
not even just fragrance, it's yeah, fucking game. So I
went back today and she's charging me again. She gave
me a thing with money, and I'm like, this fucking bitch, like,

(16:29):
but I'm not fighting her to be like you have
to do this for free. I don't know if I
should fight her on the way out, but I gave
detergent and she kept being like, I use this, I
use this one. Look, I have this one. I go
but it smells like smell it and she will not
admit it. She is charging me again.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
For this load and we'll see, Oh my god, so
now you're just BYO for your Breyo detergent.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I brought it back well, I always have I bring
her giant bottles of it just to make sure, like
I am. I don't mind, but I have these like
little that I'll bring like when I travel so I
brought a bunch of pods and she put them in
and I'm like, so hopefully it all washes out, but
all my bedding was in there, like everything, Like I'm
on like nothing left, but we'll see. And there's I

(17:14):
live in New York around like there's probably seven others
around me. I see times when I walk, but she's
just on my block and a woman.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
But she is ruining my life. And it was okay before.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, she has been doing it, and it's like she
was doing it probably some other employee.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
It's like someone who doesn't care. Are they mix something?
It like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I just wish she would just be like, oh, yeah,
obviously is are bad. We'll take care of it. But
I have another fucking bill for forty three dollars, So
we'll see and if it's fine, I'll do it again.
But maybe it's probably time to just go to a
different place.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, one more shot and see what happens. Fuck, that's
so annoying it is. And I bet you her nose
is like not even I don't know if you work
in like, aren't you just like smell detergent all the time?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
A bit she doesn't even smell it. You know, it
just is what it is. It's the only variable. Bitch, Like,
what are you doing? Ye stop fighting me. It's just allergies. Yes,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Also, Kara, I know we have to start. I've caught
up on I'm on SVU some horrific crimes. Jesus Christ,
I only have these writers. Don't take a fucking break.
Are you out of your mind too? For me to
be jaw on the floor horrified, day ruined by a
season twenty six after everything we do, that's incredible, Oh

(18:34):
my god.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It eh.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
And if you're wondering which one, it's obviously the you know,
the kid torture.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
We're wondering where it's kid torture.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, wait, I have maybe didn't get to that one yet.
I'm like, I'm still I'm a cup behind dogs, I'm
a couple behind.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It's like bad, it's it was so bad, and then
there was like another one that fucked me up.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm just saying they're still bringing it. My point is
they are still fucking bringing it. All right, let's start,
all right, Sorry, we have a double we got a double.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yes, this is a double episode and it's a good one,
So don't go anywhere, all right, We're doing a double
header today, and the Empire strikes back and never turn
your back on them. Season's two titles with twenty three
letters in them each Season twenty three. This is the

(19:30):
season episodes one and two. It's the opener is a
double and it is carried over from season twenty two's finale.
So the episode the season finale of season twenty two
SVU uncovers this huge like sex for housing scandal where
single moms are basically being sex traffic. They get apartments

(19:52):
in exchange for what's essentially forced sex work, I mean
sexual assault, and it involves congressman Senators. Goes all the
way to the top, like it always does so at
the end of episode. The season twenty two episode is
when Finn and Phoebe like call off their wedding for
some weird reason that we never really find out, Like

(20:14):
it doesn't really make sense why you would pay all
this money and have a party and then be like
we decided we're just gonna stay together and not get married. Yeah,
And it's at the end the end of that episode
famously Rollins and Caresi finally kiss. So at the beginning
of season twenty three, no time has passed. It's the
same night Rollins and Caresy are in the halls of
the courthouse at ten pm making out. I guess Finn

(20:35):
and Phoebe got married, like right down at the bottom
of Manhattan, like right near their work and near one pp.
Finn is forcing Cat to mean and her girlfriend Selene
to take home all the flowers, and then Finn tells Kat, well,
don't get don't get cozy for the weekend. Catalina Machado,
who is the founder of Proud Life, who's a woman
who's like at the center of this whole sex trafficking

(20:57):
housing scandal, is flipping and we're gonna need all hands
on deck.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
So now it's the next day.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Kreese's late, maybe from banging Rawlins, It's unclear. He meets
Anya Avatal from the Southern District of New York, which
we just talked about in a recent episode. You know,
those are like the states attorneys or the district attorneys
that work for like the certain areas of the state.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
The Southern District of New York is like very powerful.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
We talked about it in Pandora, Like I think Pam
Grier's character was working for the Southern District of New
York and like they're the ones that like prosecuted Keith Ranieri,
like the jen Shaw Like that's the they have like
the resources and the money and to like do these
really deep dive like investigations. And this woman, Anya Avataal
is played by Kadiya Sarov, who famously is married to

(21:46):
Terry Serpoco aka Chief McGrath in real life.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
And they met on the set of this show, probably on.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
This episode, because this is her first episode that was
the Facts. Yeah, So she and she goes on to
she comes in later. She he's in seven episodes total
of SVU. And she wipes lipstick off of Coreese's collar.
So I'm like, Rolins must have slept over Wiser lipstick
on his collar unless he like never got changed from
the night before he was like out all night high
on love.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Now Garland is on the phone with Chief McGrath, who,
as you recall, is making Garland's life a damn nightmare
and everybody's life. I mean, McGrath is really like a
piece of shit at this point in his tenure on
the show, like he's awful to live, He's awful to everyone,
and uh Garland, he only.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Cares about the up guy.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's always just like the guys want a press conference,
they want an answer. It's always he just wants, like
the guys up top to think they solve ye fast.
It doesn't matter if it's right. They just need to
put it out to the public and solve it fast.
But I'm also not only am I mad for this
the character, but like I'm mad for the actor, Like
I'm really pissed the what happens. Yeah, yes, and I

(22:55):
wanted another season with him. I think it's fucked up,
like I too. And but you know, but Cara shot
like it was a little more excited. I don't know,
she was pissed too, You're right. I mean I was
sad to lose both of them. She had a cooler
story with it, you know, at least I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, I don't know. I was mad about.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
This, I felt because he was like dejected. They whatever,
I'm getting ahead of myself.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well McGrath, I was gonna say his
character is like what other men would describe like oh,
he's a bulldog, Like he's a real bulldog and you're like, no,
he's a fucking power hungry pain in the ass in
this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
And you know what, Garland's wife is not here for it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
She's like, I don't want you getting bullied at CompStat again.
And he's like no, Like if Catalina isn't the ringleader
and it's just a middleman, who knows.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
How I up this goes.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
He's like, this is the break I need at the
NYPD taking down a sex trafficking ring involving politicians, Like
I need this. Like everyone's really thinking about their careers
in these episodes. So back at the Southern meeting with
the Southern District, Live is late and everyone's getting antsy
to start, and we see Live just cruising in her
suv chatting to Stabler on the phone.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Where is she? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
She's just been at a wedding and now she's driving
and she's an hour late. She's she looks like she's
on a highway. I have no idea she had to
take Noah in New Jersey, Like, I don't know what's
going on, But do you think.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
They were trying to allude to something.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think they were just trying to set up that
she's in the car because Laursha Hargetty broke her ankle,
which I talk about I know.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
But she had Why was she late to work?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like are they trying to allude that she was with
Stabler or no, she's talking to him.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Like she's talking to him on the phone. She's just not.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Late to work to important stuff. And it's dark outside,
like I just yeah, it's dark.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
They've left the like yeah, yeah, it's really weird. And
she's like driving I guess someone random too.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I mean, yeah, that's true, and in her huge suv
she like drove out him and it's so confusing, and
then Cariese's like, hey, where are you? And she's like
on my way, Like she's like too blessed to be stressed,
Like yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Too bla to be stressed is what's confusing. There was
no urgency to get to this giant emergency.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
She's like, I'll be on my and then she gets
back on the line with Stabler and Stabler is like, uh,
being like I was supposed to be at the DA's
office an hour ago. It's like that's not Yeah, it's weird.
It's like not in her character. I don't get where
she is. She was at a wedding in Manhattan. All
this is in my notes, like where what's going on?
I like drew a map. And then now some guy
is following her with their brites on. She tries to

(25:27):
let the guy pass and Stabler's like, let him pass, live,
let him pass, and she's like, I'm trying to and
then this guy is like right on her tail as
she tries to let him pass, and he just slams
into her bumper carreeens her off the road, and the
next thing we see is Stabler going live, I Got you,
I Got you, And she's on a stretcher and she's
out of it and she's like Elliott and then we

(25:49):
get we get to the ambulance door.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
It's just some random bald emt. It's not Elliott at all.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
She was just having like a crash induced like sex
dream about Elliott basically saving her. So you know, this
is more of they're trying to promote oc and they're
trying to still tease that they might ever let you
guys see them kiss, which they're not gonna do.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
But you know that's what's happening.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So now Benn, Rollins and Creasy are all talking to
Live in her office. She's like, I'm fine, I just
got a fucked up ankle. No time for an MRI.
And Caresey's like, you need to see an orthopedist. You
don't mess around with an ankle. And Stabler and the
OC are looking into the person who ran her off
the road. Back to the case, Catalina is spilling all
the tea. McGrath is going to be pumped at CompStat

(26:30):
liv is trying to give like an organized presentation about
what went down.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
She's like, okay, this is Ruben Ortiz.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
He is the aide to Congressman George Justin Howard who
gave them Catalina. Ruben Ortiz gave them Catalina and who
in turn gave them these co conspirators, a former HUD secretary,
a former ASSE assemblyman, and then this raging asshole McGrath
goes a lot of formers. What's the highest rank of
someone involved? Like he only cares about publicity. It's like

(26:57):
this is a massive trafficking ring. You don't care about
the victim at all. You just care what's the highest
level Pokemon card we can collect in this bullshit.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Sorry, Rosie's very into Pokemond right now and it's taking
over my brain.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And so Liv tells them Congressman Howard, like Congressman Howard
is involved, and he is a sitting congressman.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
That's big, big enough for you, bro.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
So now we cut to this young congressman with an
extremely punishable face, ringing the bell of the New York
Stock Exchange and he is surrounded by people celebrating. Finn
and Kat are watching it on a tablet, and Finn goes,
nothing sadder than white people congratulating themselves. And I just
think these T shirts print themselves, Like how there's not
like an Etsy shop of just full Finn quotes. I mean,

(27:39):
maybe that's mine to start, but that's so funny. Nothing
sadder than white people congratulating themselves. So behind the congressman
is Myron Gold, who is played by an actor named
Glenn Fleschler.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
And he's been out. Yeah it does. Everyone was thinking it.
I had this say to call it out.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
He's been in a ton of things and he is
Howard's lawyer turned political consultant. He has very hand of
the king, vibes very vibes of the guy Dug from
House of Cards who just like is a fixer for
a political candidate, you know, or a political politician.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
He I mean, he's a SV He said no to us,
what's going on. Yeah, we've tried to get him a
couple of times. He said no.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
God he love plays like this piss freak, this fertility freak.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah. But he's also.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
In the Colleen stan episode. He works at the vet
clinic with the wife who's all drugged up, you know. Anyway,
Glenn Fleschler has also been in seasons four, eleven, nineteen,
and now twenty three of US Views, so he's been
on the journey and apparently this is the guy that's
going to get Howard the presidency, and Kat goes, if

(28:51):
that happens, me and Selene are moving to France, and
it's like, oh, babe, wait until you find out what
happens next.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Back at Compstats at.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
France, I bet fucking yeah, I bet they're in fucking France.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, they're probably in France living a beautiful life.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Back at CompStat Live is like trying to profile Howard
being like, okay, here's the history on Howard and Chief
MC asshole is like, cut to the chase. Are Catalina
and Ruben Ortiz wired or what they are? And neither
of them knows that the other one is wired. They're like,
we have victims, we have phone records. Yeah, they're basically
covering their butts, like, let's just get both of them

(29:29):
in there and tell the other one. And he's like
when do we pick him up? And Garland's like, wow,
there's a fundraiser this weekend and Benson's like, well, guys,
we're still building the case. And he's like, I don't
want this to stall out like it did with that
Ken doll Gates and it's like Kendall more like a
brats doll. Have you ever seen Matt Getz's face work.
He's horrific looking. I would not give him the stature

(29:50):
of a Ken doll. Is that who they're referencing here?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, he said that Ken doll gets Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So he's talking about mac Gas Yeah, yeah, about yeah,
and I know we're gonna hear more about that.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
That's crazy the well, but DC's different, you know what
I mean, Like their standards are just different for hotness.
Like Matt Gates, I guess is just y I guess
if you're young and not a full trouble, well you're
a cat.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Also was okay looking before he got all this face
work done, and now he has like literally like cartoon eyebrows,
like he's had so much work done. He looks insane. Yeah,
it's bad. McGrath is such a piece of shit. He
just wants to win. He tells Garland, We'll forgive everything
that you've done, all of your fuck ups if you
just get this guy.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
And Live looks nervous. She's like, we are rushing this right.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's like the narrative that we're setting up right up top,
and you'll see how it plays out. So now it's
we're at lunch with Catalina Rubin and Congressman Howard.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
They're hobnobbing.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
He tells Catalina, Oh, I stopped by the building to
see my mom, and Polly wasn't there. And Polly, if
you remember back to a season ender of season twenty two,
is a landlord who works at the building where they
place all these on house women and then you know,
assault them in exchange for their housing. And he also
does the assaulting like and in the end of the
last episode he was brought in, so he's in jail,

(31:10):
and so he's like, well, I went to the building,
my man Polly wasn't there, and Cataline is like, he's
had a family emergency. But the Congressman misses. He's like,
I missed my sweet Rosa. And the problem is that
some of these moms worry about their kids, like what
they might see, what they might know, like what's going down.
So naturally the Congressman is like, well, don't we have

(31:31):
any deserving moms with teenage daughters. He's like, now I
can just go after the children, and Catalina is like,
we can find you some, and he goes, I do
love to mentor.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
So he's horrific right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
At Live's office, McGrath shows up and he's like, stay off.
Everyone keeps going stay, sit down, stay off your foot.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
And the.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Backstory on this is that Marishka broke her ankle leaving
a screening of Black Widow in the Hamptons and she
ended up she was hosting a star studded after party
and she ended up missing it. It was at her
own house and I think the party went on and
she had to go to the hospital and she broke
her ankle in like three places, and I remember that
summer that this happened and she was like taking photos

(32:15):
of her you know, Marishka's very into hashtags. It was
a lot of hashtags about her ankle. So McGrath clearly
hates Garland and it's very clear. And he tells liv
I've got a great UC I want to use, and
she's like, well, I already have two cis talking about
Catalina and Ortiz and McGrath's like, yeah, but I get
what I want. So maybe this UC can work like
alongside Catalina and you know, lives like, I'll let Garland know,

(32:40):
and McGrath's like, nah, maybe let's like not let him
in on this.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
He's got a.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Prior relationship with Catalina Machado because if you remember from
last season, he did know her from her work in
the community. She runs this big, you know, organization that
I think helps people get out of poverty and get back.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
On their feet.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And so he's he knows her in the community and
lives like he's loyal to the NYPD and McGrath's like, yeah,
but his judgment sucks. Don't tell him and don't tell
anyone on your squad, So that also sucks. Live doesn't
like keeping secrets from her guys, and she's like, that
could be dangerous also for your guy, and he's like, well,
want to you make sure it's not and he just

(33:17):
sucks so hard. So now top of act two, Live
is with the squad at the corkboard. We've got Rosa, Lulu,
and Denise. They are three of the trafficking victims. They
all say they got multiple visits from Congressman Howard. Are
they solid? Sounds like a no. Lulu won't talk until
she gets her kid back. Cariese's working on it. Denise
is in the wind, and that leaves Rosa and and

(33:38):
if you watched the episode in season twenty two when
she got to the apartment, her son was so happy.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
He's like, mom, there's a table, my room has a door.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Like he's so excited that they are gonna not be
at a shelter and like live in their own house.
And so you can see why these women feel pressured
into doing this, that their kids have a roof over
their head. And Kat's like, we promised to leave Rosa alone,
like she wants a fresh star and lives like okay, Well,
I don't care, go talk to her about Howard. And
so now Kat ambushes Rosa while she's on chaperoning a

(34:08):
field trip with her kid, and she's like, you guys
said this was over. You said I could keep the apartment.
And Kat's like yeah, but he's hurting other women. He's
raping girls, and Rosa's like, I believe it. He's the
worst one of them. And they're like, we need you
to testify. Cat's like please, She's like, I know you're scared.
We'll protect you. Rosa doesn't say no, but she doesn't commit.
So now we're talking to the landlord, Polly Banducci, who's

(34:31):
in prison. He's got his orange jump suit on and
he's like, fuck, no, I'm not talking. That guy's going
to be president, and Rollins is like, no, we'll keep
this quiet, like no one in jail will know what
we're even, like, no one in this prison is going
to know, like what you're like testifying about, And it's
like everybody fucking knows and finds out this stuff. Cariese says,
we really need you to testify. Now, Howard and Ortiz

(34:52):
are driving in the rain, and Howard's like, what's the deal,
Like what are the deets on the after party for
the fundraiser And he's like, I'm annoyed I haven't heard
from Catalina. And Howard's like, what about those girls that
interned last summer? And Ortiz is like, well, they're still
in high school and Howard is like, just make sure
they have IDs. So this is all obviously on tape.

(35:12):
They're hearing this, and Howard goes that petite blonde, she
was a cult, and then the aid has to remind
him cults are male horses.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Phillies are female horses.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
And this guy can't even like objectify underage girls correctly,
like with the right language.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
And it's funny.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
And now they're basically talking about this girl named Jenna
and her cute friend named Hayden. High school girls. So
now the gang is all watching this footage with McGrath.
He's grossed out because you know, he's got three teen
daughters and so it hits close to home for him.
He probably doesn't give a fuck about these poor women
that have just been like systematically raped in their homes
in order to have housing. Anyway, he wants to make

(35:50):
sure that this Jenna girl is at the fundraiser so
they can catch Howard. In the act, Cariese's like, I
think we should let this play out a little bit more,
and Live explains like the witnesses are reluctant, and McGrath goes,
tell your witnesses to grow a pair. I want to
bring this guy down now, like it's honestly insane, like
nothing in government moves quickly, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
And then this man is like, do it now? Do
it now?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Like fucking everything up. Garland pipes up and is like,
with all do We're only going to get one shot
at this guy. You can't like go after a congressman
multiple times, and the eighth floor agrees.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
They keep talking about the eighth floor. I don't know
if that's is.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
That the Southern District people like, I don't know, but
it's the eighth floor they keep talking about. McGrath argues
that as soon as Howard announces his exploratory committee for presidency,
any arrest is going to be perceived as political.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
So we gotta move quickly because.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
As soon as this guy announces that he's running for president,
everyone's going to think that we're just like being Democrats
or being Republicans or whatever, and going after a guy politically,
and as he's like going on and on, he clocks
that Benson's on her phone and is like, uh, are
you with us, Detective, And she's like, I have a
situation I need to leave.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Is it Noah related? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Kat comes back to the Precs and she's like, I
really hate that I had to pressure Rosa. It feels
like we're rushing this and she's like, today is the
first day that this job has felt wrong to me,
and Rollins is like, yeah, you got.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
To just ignore your gut and push past that.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's why I've been on the show for thirteen seasons
and IAB. Now we're at IAB and Live is being
interviewed by IAB Captain Renee Curry, who, if you are
caught up on the current seasons, you know, ends up
joining us for you and they're talking about this is
this is OC crossover. They're talking about a situation and
I watched this episode on the OC where Aana Bell,

(37:34):
you know, is the captain of the OC, and she
has this guy working under her name Morales. He turns
dirty and he started working for Richard Wheatley, who is
played by Dylan McDermott. He is Stabler's nemesis on the
first like two seasons of OC, and.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
He's the guy. He's the guy who kills Kathy.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, he blows up Kathy, and this cop Morales raises
his weapon to shoot like they're trying to talk him down.
They're like, it's okay, we're going to get you through this,
and he puts his weapon down, but then he raises
his weapon again. It's like he's trying to get shot.
And Ayana has to shoot this guy who she's worked
with and she loves even though he's turned dirty. And
so they're questioning Benson about it because she was there.

(38:11):
She had gotten a text that she thought was from Stabler,
but it was not actually from him.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
It was from Wheatley. Because it's possible.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Wheatley was trying to kill he had hired Morales to
kill Wheatley's x, his own ex wife, but possibly also
Benson just to get at Stabler because him and Stabler
are like, you know, really enemies. Benson thinks that this
bad cop Moraless was possibly sent to kill her as well.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, I already said that. So they show a flashback
of Wheatley meeting live and being.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Like, whoa, Stabler, She's a knockdown Now.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
I get it. Whoa?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
And like it's really a gross and you know, he's
just trying to get under Stabler's skin. And basically Benson
is telling Curry that this is a good shooting, that
Aana Belt didn't do anything wrong. Now we're back and
Benson's getting picked up by Finn and she she's like, Finn,
you gotta tell me what's going on with men?

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Like, what's happening with men?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
We've got Richard Wheatley just an absolute evil, like cartoon villain.
We've got this Howard guy. And Finn's like, too much
money in power. These guys think they can do whatever
they want. I don't know why I Live in season
twenty three is ectod like she has not met men
like this before, but.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
You know, uh.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
And then Live's ankle is hurting her again and Finn's like,
I'm taking you to the doctor right now. So now
we're at the fundraiser. This is a real fin is
the Dad episode. He's really taking care of everybody in
this episode. So now we're at the fundraisers sting, they're
wiring Ortiz and they're telling him just get Howard to
the suite with the girls, and he wants to know, like,
is he gonna know I'm behind the setup? And Finn's like,

(39:40):
Finn goes, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it,
which I like, that's a fun little turn of phrase.
And then Ortiz is like, you don't get it, like
he gave me my first job. We've been friends since college.
It's like, dude, you've been wearing a wire now for
at least a week. I don't know why. Now you're
like now that. It's like we've got the teen girls
in the room and he's getting cold feet, and the
squad is like, sack up, dude, Like this guy wouldn't

(40:00):
spit on you if you were on fire. And then Kat,
dressed in her undercover hotty outfit that they always put
her in, is also this is her fundraiser drag, and
she's like, let's go.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
It's showtime.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So Rollin's and Carisi are watching and flirting, and they're
watching this all from a hotel room, and Caresee's like,
what a waste of a hotel room? Like looking at
the bed. So these two are getting hot and heavy.
I feel like off camera there ouviously not going to
show us anything. At the fundraiser, Catalina is introducing Howard.
He's talking about ending homelessness with Catalina's organization, Proud Life.

(40:32):
And now Howard Ortiz and the lawyer Dude Gold are
talking to some hot woman about Pharma and having a
friend in the White House. It's so confusing because it's
like he's talking only to her and this other woman.
And then he goes, I bet this stuff is boring
to you, and she's it's like you're telling her Farma's
going to have a friend in the white House.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Is she in Pharma? It's really weird scene.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
And then he tries to flirt with her and she goes,
you had me at the lower capital gains rate. It's
it's not a great it's not a great performance by
this hot girl, but she is hot.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Gold tells Howard.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Take it easy, you've got an early morning, and then
Catalina comes up to introduce Howard to Danny kinonez Akaq.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
And who is it but our boy Jove Alasco. He's
the undercover guy that McGrath wanted to work on this operation.
He is pretending to be a major influencer with forty
million Insta followers.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I just don't know that you could fake all that.
I don't know if you could fake all of these
internet results.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, like you fake forty million. Forty million a lot.
Forty million is a lot of followers. If it was
only a million, it would be a big deal. Like,
forty million is.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Somebody that you would expect to kind of have some
name recognition.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Like the teens have to love because everyone I'm thinking
about right now has like one hundreds, Like it really
is a lot, thirty thirty, forty million is a lot. Yeah,
it's international superstar. You could fill an arena.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, forty million is really like I think Charlie XCX
might have six million maybe right right, Yeah, it's crazy
forty million.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
That's mister Beast. Like I don't understand. I need to
look up what mister Beast has, like truly I do. Yeah,
check that out because YouTube might be.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Different seventy one million, But you know, he's the time period.
He's the number one influencer like in the world anyway.
Alasco's very Ah, I'm the guy, he's very different. I
think in these two episodes, like I think his personality
changes a lot, he starts playing it differently, maybe when

(42:39):
he gets maybe when he gets like like when the
actor got like series regular, maybe he's like, oh, I
gotta play this different because here he's very.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Like whoa whoa, very Danny Zuko.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's so in your face, like come on, guys, let's
go for it, like I'm gonna go do this, I'm
gonna go do that. Like he's so in it. Yeah,
he's like real more aggressive. So anyway, I don't know
how they're fucking uh faking this guy's so online presence,
but he wraps a clothing line and a vape brand,
so he's perfect to get someone elected president. Finn and
Kat are looking on, and Finn it looks insanely like

(43:15):
a cop, like it's crazy that they would have him
at this fundraiser. Kat google's que quickly and goes, well,
he's worth one hundred and twenty million.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
It's like, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Google results are like immediately set up for this man,
and he's a guest DJ. He's followed by Dua Lipa, Lizzo,
Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrine.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
This is crazy, and Finn goes, who, like, do you
guys have somebody at Instagram that works for you that goes, hey,
we're starting we need to start an account for this guy.
You just got to give him forty million bots. And
if you could also make it so that Dualipa, Lizzo
and Billie Eilish and live like the follow him.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
A way to make like a fake businessman without Instagram.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Right, But like, I guess they're trying to get elected.
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Well, I think they're trying to figure out a way,
a reason why this guy has ends with the youth.
Like that's the whole thing, because like now, Catalina goes,
if you treat Q right, he'll lead you to the
promised Land, which is young people. Even though these kids
are in high school, they can't even fucking vote. But
like ces, Q goes, I'm all about the youth. But
and he goes, but I don't see much of it here,

(44:16):
like shading them. He's like, look at your old ass fundraiser.
And then Ortiz goes, don't worry, we have some youth
waiting for you in the hospitality suite. And then Howard
goes care Decaucus. Disgusting. I hate everything about this character.
Then there is a cool shot of the politicians going
up in the elevator with Kat and Finn and the
other elevator. It's like an external elevator shot that you

(44:36):
can see like the glass elevator, which I thought was cool.
At the suite, Howard says Q, Welcome to politics, and
it's like, if this man has forty million followers and
is online friends with the biggest pop stars in the world,
he has literally been with the seen the hottest women
that grace the planet. And I don't think they're at
your after party for your fundraiser. I don't think sixteen

(44:57):
year olds from New Jersey are necessarily what Q is
going to get a boner over. But you know what,
the show is trying to do something, and that's fine.
He goes Welcome to the Politics, where the men are
four's and the women are tens, and that's probably spot on.
And then they see these two high school girls and
Howard is like leering at them, telling Q they'll do
anything you want and anything you haven't even thought of,

(45:19):
and it's like, yeah, everyone is the best at sex
when they're sixteen and they've barely done it. Like that's
when everyone's got the moves that are going to really
show a grown man whose boss.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
So they go talk to the girls this episode.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I watched it twice ab all of both the whatever,
and I really didn't catch the camp like this is crazy.
Yeah yeah, I was like in the episode, but I
don't think I realized how out of control insane this
all is.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, So the influencer Q is with the congressman and
the high school girls like also to just meet someone
and be like, I know you're into committing crimes, Like
I know that you're actually totally fine with statutory rape,
and like, you know, let's do this.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
So they go talk to.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
The girls and they're like, oh yeah, we want to
be on that Teen Run Teens Run the World thing
is some like I sound like an old person, but
I'm like, is that real or that's just in the show.
I don't know what it is. C's like, I can
make it happen. Why don't you give me your info?
And then Jenna's like, I live in New Jersey, not
too far away, and that rings a bell for Careese
who's watching upstairs, and he's like, transporting minor over state

(46:29):
lines for moral purposes is a felony, and then Howard
tells these two teen girls, you guys could be the
next Fiddle and Faddle, which I guess are interns that
JFK used to quote unquote frolic with in the White
House pool during lunch, and Jenna takes one sip of
champagne or she goes, oh, the White House, I'll drink
to that.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
She takes one sip of champagne and doesn't feel good immediately.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Now I've never been roofed, but I don't think it's instant,
Like I don't think it's like she takes us zip.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
And goes, ugh, I'm not feeling so good. It's like,
let me take you to lie down? Yeah, you know
that's his cue.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah yeah. So now they're in the bedroom. This girl's
like falling down already. He gets He lies around the bed,
gets on top of her, starts undoing his belt. She's
the whole time going I don't want to do this,
Like she's not even going where am I I feel weird?
She's like, I don't want to do this. The cops
move in, okay, so they all get into the party.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
NYBD. They bust into his room.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
He obviously hears the commotion, starts buttoning up his fucking
belts and then they cuff him and they bring him out,
and they bring out Q at the same time, and
he's like, you set me up, and Howard's like, don't
say anything.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Cue lawyer up, like it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
As soon as everyone leaves except for the cops, Q
is like, all right, guys, take off these bracelets and
they're like and then he goes and bag those flutes.
They probably lace the drink and it's like cop talk,
cop talk, and then he's like, oh, sorry, it's me
Joe Velasco.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I'm on the job.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And they don't believe it because no one told them
there's going to be a UC on this job.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
And he's like, call Chief McGrath.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
So it would be weird for this guy to just
no Chief McGrath if he's an influencer named Q.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
But who knows, you know, it's Billie Eilish.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So back at the office, liv is wearing a boot
now with her foot up and on the phone with
McGrath assuring him like, yeah, we're maintaining Velasco's cover.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Benson tells Finn and rawlins listen, Garland didn't know about
the UC and apparently like McGrath is his rabbi, which
we've talked about this before. I guess in Coppery that's like, uh,
your mentor is your rabbi.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
So Benson said, fucked up.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And it honestly is dangerous for everyone that he wouldn't
tell people about it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Like, yeah, what if it got violent? What do people ran?

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Like?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
It just seems crazy to not let other cops, like
cops snow in an underground thing, like undercover thing that
someone's I just I hate my Grath.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It just goes with his personality though, because he wants
to be just want Sendsvelasko in and be like, my
guy got this done. Like he wants to be the
one that's like because later in the episode, Velasco does
some good shit and he's like Velasco like he's just
like that's my guy, and so it's he's you know,
he sucks. So Benson's traffic copping a little bit. She

(49:05):
goes Rollins, go to the hospital talk to Jenna, and
then Howard's lawyers arrived and we'll only talk to Benson.
Benson's ankle is fractured, but and she should be home resting,
but like, not on the Grath's watch. She's not gonna
let Magrath fucking run shit on his own because he's
a loose cannon in a holding cell Velasco and Howard.
There's also this guy in the colding cell that just
keeps coughing. And this is right after COVID, I think,

(49:29):
and so Velasco just keeps being like, oh, I'll get
him away from me, and Velasko and Howard are chatting.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
But I also think the guy smells oh yeah, because
he covers his like he goes caeh. Because a part
of me thought they did that to him on purpose,
because they're kind of pissed because they could have put
him somewhere else, but they put him next. In my head,
it may be someone that's been on the street for
a while that probably has been the only part of

(49:55):
me is like they were like fuck you, and he's like, oh, like,
I've got to reek vibe from him.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Absolutely, I'm sure he's I'm sure this man is not
hygenically killing it. But I also think they put Velasco
in there to maintain his cover because they just said
that and they're like, if we put him in here
with Howard, he'll never think that this guy is anything
but part of this. You're, you know, like on his
same side. But yeah, So in a holding cell they

(50:23):
have a little chat. Howard's like, just keep your mouth shut.
At the hospital, Jenna's piss like, you call my parents
without asking me. They're like, babe, you're sixteen. You had
rehypno alcohol, weed and MDMA in your system. And she's like,
I don't do ecstasy. I just take Addie. I bought
it online. I have ADHD And then she tells them
that she met Howard on a class trip to DC.

(50:43):
He took a picture with her, asked for her number,
and then started following her on Insta. You think people
don't know when a congressman is following a teen on Insta?
Like if weien or taught us anything, you cannot get
away with that shit.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
People see who you're following.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
And anyway, she's like, I'm interested in politics, like climate change.
He said he could get me an internship, and she's like,
I saw him mostly in the summer parties. We went
on a yacht once and like, you're inviting your high
school interns on a yacht. It's just so gross. And
then we got They ask if things got physical, and
she goes, no, nothing happened. And they're like, well, he
drugged you and took you to a bedroom. And she's like, well,

(51:21):
I just give him massages, which is not illegal. He
went to law school, Like she is parroting things he
told her, like, you know, just tell him I gave
you a massage, that's not or you give me a massage,
it's not illegal.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
So now we're in interrogation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
We've got Howard, his guy Gold CARRIESI and Benson, and
Howard goes the vac.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
The girl's vax card said she was eighteen.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
It's like a vax card, okay, dude, And he's like
she must have taken something.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
She looked dizzy. I took her to the bedroom.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I administered CPR, and lives like, if somebody's just dizzy,
you don't give them CPR. That's if someone's like heart stops,
like I don't even know what this fucking guy is
talking about. And lives like, oh, you did CPR with
your pants on zipped, which I do like when she
does that, like when they go I was just helping
her up in that other episode, and she goes with
your penis like she's always got a good line in
there and lives like do you always party with teenagers?

(52:10):
And his lawyer is like, he is single with a
spotless record. This is a political witch hunt, and I'm
immediately like, you're gonna run for president and you're single,
not in this whack ass country.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
They're they're not gonna vote for you.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
They bring up the apartment building with the single moms
and he admits, I go there because my mom has
a Pieta tear there. They like slap down the pictures
of these three moms and are going, oh, really, which
one of these women is your mom? And he goes,
I don't know these women, and they're like, oh really,
because they know you and we have security footage of
you on their floors, and this fuck goes I'm doing

(52:43):
due diligence, and his lawyer is like, I know it's
every eighty's wet dream to bring down a presidential contender,
but we're done here. And Howard wants to know which party,
Just tell me which party sent you guys after me,
Like was it my party or was it the opposing part?
Because you don't know in politics, right, could be your
it could be the people that are on your own
team trying to take you down and lives like no,

(53:06):
dumb ass, you're a predator and we're SVU and we're
gonna nail your ass. So this actually doesn't have anything
to do with like your little donkey or your little elephant,
you know.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Oh, and I will say.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think it's interesting that they never say whether he's
a Republican, but you know that he is. Like they
don't say the parties, but you know that this man
is a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I like all those things I've seen online where it's like, yeah,
for some reason, if someone's against like feeding children, you
know where they stand, like your antipe books, like right,
it's just kind of right.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Yeah, no, I get I get them.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So now Howard is being arraigned on charges of sex trafficking,
rape three and facilitating a sex offense with a controlled
substance and attempted rape. He pleads not guilty. His lawyer
keeps claiming it's political. The judge does not give a fuck,
But Charis, we do have to go on the record
and say both parties are raping teens. I would say
everyone both parties filled with pedophiles, but for other reasons,

(54:03):
we think he's Republican.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah yeah, I mean, but even him.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like trying to help homeless people as anti Republican and
he's doing it to rape. But like I feel Marchada
would have been would not have worked with someone like him. Yeah,
that's fasting.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Maybe there's money flowing into her organization for it. I mean,
they obviously have something on her that she would even
be doing this.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
They would just be giving it to like, you know,
fake abortion clinics. Like I just can't imagine even to
rape people, a Republican helping the homeless, Like, I don't know,
I'm confusing.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Yeah, well, and they just.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
They say later that I think she's stealing from Proud Life,
So I think that's why, Like, but I couldn't tell
that was real or not. But if she is, that
could be why she's in bed with them, because otherwise
they're gonna like, you.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Know, well, yeah she's feeling funny than gotta got it.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, ideologically it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I just feel like if this was a congress person,
their constituents would be mad that taxpayer money went to
help the homeless. Yeah, it would be like, how dare
you I have to work for them to get their apartment?
Like it's just such an anti conservative thing. Yes, absolutely,
free housing.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
No no no, no, no no no, I don't think
so welfare queens. So Careese wants remand but the judge
settles on him surrendering his passport. And now McGrath is
about to start a press conference with Benson and Careesy,
and Benson's like, are we waiting for Garland? But McGrath
is icing Garland out and Live looks uncomfortable about it.
We see Garland watching the press conference, humiliating and he's like,

(55:45):
asks assistance, why isn't this on my schedule? And she's like,
I don't know, no one told me. Maybe the email
went to spam And it's like, girl, it seems like
you probably get most of his appointments, right, this is
on purpose. And then when she leaves, he's like, he
doesn't get mad at her. He's like, it's okay, it's okay,
and then she leaves and he just he's also are
remote at a wall.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
He is pissed. Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
We don't see Garland get this mad usually, so then
he walks in on Live, popping more advil, and she
wants to apologize for the press conference he didn't know,
she didn't know he wasn't coming, or she's like, I
never would have done this press conference if I knew
that you weren't like coming, and then uh, McGrath.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Garland's like, oh, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I took to McGrath and it was a communication era
from the staff, not in an intentional slight, which we
all know isn't true. And I think he knows isn't true.
He knows how it's not true. Why is she saying
that to him? Because she does in a second, like
I don't know why she doesn't hear.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
But then Garland goes.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
This is all moving so fast, like that's probably why
they didn't tell me about the UC at the fundraiser,
and Live goes, but that's not really how that went down.
It wasn't because like things were moving too fast, like
he like, I think it's like she's about to tell
him he specifically didn't want you to, you know, be
But I don't understand police ranking, so I don't really

(56:57):
understand like lives not allowed to call out shitty stuff
that McGrath is doing to her commanding officer like it's
it's shitty, but I guess these are the systems that
powerful men set up so people like can't tell on
them for their bad behavior.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
And it's because he's friends with Marchada.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
It's I think he just doesn't like he doesn't like him,
and he doesn't want him to get any of the
glory for this, and he doesn't like Garland anything's he
makes bad decisions. And also I think because they're writing
him off the show, so they want it to make
it look like he's, you know, not doing a good job.
I guess or that someone has it out for him,
and I think it's McGrath. I don't think it's all
about the Machado thing, but who knows. So then they

(57:37):
talk about Catalina and he's like, it's hard to believe
someone who did so much good got caught up in
all of this, and Live is like, Babe, she did
not get caught up.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
She orchestrated this whole damn thing.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
And Garland's like, you're right, and he's like, I acknowledge
I have my blind spots.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
And he appreciates Live.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
He's like, thank you for pointing my blind spots out
for me to me and for having my back, and
she's like always, but you know, things are not looking
good for him career wise.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
So now we've got Belasco. We also didn't have his back.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, she has his back as much as she can,
like she That's what I'm saying. I don't think she
can stand up to McGrath that much. She told him
Garland's loyal to the NYPD, like you can let Garland
in on stuff, like he is on your side. He's
not with Catalina, he's not. He's a good guy. And
she goes, let's wait for Garland. But like if the
main guy is going shut the fuck up, she can't
do much. I guess, you know, I guess, I don't know.

(58:28):
So she would do it for Stabler.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
She would.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
She would probably put more of her neck on the
line for him for sure.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Which is fine.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
She doesn't have to sacrifice her career for you know
this dude. But it's just, yeah, it's unfortunate, and I
just hit him a grath, like I don't. I feel
like McGrath even makes me more mad than old Tucker,
like old Dodds. Yeah, Dodds was annoying too, dogs a ship.
This guy felt like he just hamrath More.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yeah, McGrath is worse, but old Dodds was really shitty
to live too.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I just hate anyone that comes in and tries to
boss her around like she hasn't been there for decades,
Like it's just like crazy, and I know it happened.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
They would not be doing if she had a penis. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
So, but now we've got Velasco and he's running through
his testimony for Cares and Rollins, and.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Howard is like he goes.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Howard told me some men like melons, some like mangoes,
he likes cherries.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Bus ugh.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We now are getting a montage of everybody going through
kind of their testimony. Okay, it's Velasco or Tease, Catalina, Polly,
Jenna Rosa. They're all going through their testimony against Howard.
Rosa's is particularly disturbing because she's detailing like this sadistic
fuck like assaulting her two to three times a week
and threatening to send her back to the shelter if
she didn't submit. And now Howard and Gold are talking

(59:48):
to Benson and Careesi saying, no one's gonna believe these
homeless women and Cataline is just trying to save her
own ass because she was stealing from Proud Life or whatever.
And then Carisi says, any deal offered is going to
mean this guy goes on the registry and gets prison time,
and Howard laughs and goes, I'm not going to prison.
I'm going to be president of the d LULU Party

(01:00:08):
like he is not. It's like, even being involved in this,
I think would get you out of the race for president.
Like even just the arrest, you could be completely cleared.
You're not going to run for president then, you know,
like guests couldn't even become Attorney general. Like I just
don't sure about Our president is a felon, but that
happened after he was already president. He was convicted of

(01:00:29):
the felonies after he was already president.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
But yes, his people don't care. That's a cult for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I just think if you're like a young, single, random Republican,
I don't think that everyone's going to be like I
don't know. I feel I do feel Donald Trump is
a special case, but I could be totally wrong. So
he calls Careesi a politically motivated Ada and Live a
bitter woman cop who spent her life getting back at men.
It's like, yeah, thank god she has men need to

(01:00:55):
get be gout and back at He's literally pulling some
of this, like do you know who I am? Shit
saying that Gold snaps his fingers Careesy loses his job
and Benson's on traffic duty in Staten Island.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
What are you talking about, Allie?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
This? I actually I think out in the wild or
if I see a video, that's another thing that roules
me up of like you're not gonna have a job
or tell I'm gonna make sure you're moved there, Like
I really don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
It violates with your don't fuck with people's money tenant
of your of your morals.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
You don't do that. I did it once. Yeah, and
it's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's you're right, but just the brazen, just
the fucking Who the fuck do you think you are
talking to Benson like this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Like I know, I know, I know, it's just a
captain on the NYPD, Like it's just whatever. Gold asks
for a moment with his client because he realizes he's dealing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
With a fucking child.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Okay, so he pulls Gold pulls Howard into the stairwell
and he's like, you should have kept your pants zipped
and nine to keep your mouth shut, and Howard yells
at him, make this go away, and Gold just bitch
slaps this little fuck right across the face and it's
so good, and he goes, shut up, you idiot, and
he's like, yes, you really don't see it coming.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
It's such an exciting moment. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I don't think we've ever seen it in the history
of this show. Like it really is a fun ass thing,
and it's what we want.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
We hate this motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
He just came for Benson like fuck you, and then
he gets slapped by this guy, and then you see
who's really in power. It's very Jonah from Veeb without
the jokes, like yes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Yeah, exactly like this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
This guy Gold is the king maker and he could
make anybody happen. But you're being a fucking idiot. And
he's like, you're stupider than they told me you were,
which I love that. Everybody's like talking about how dumby
your asses. So in the stairwell, Gold is like, oh goodness.
So as they're having this combo in the stairwell, caresium
Benson are eavesdropping and they're like, we can't use any
of this in court, so we probably should just walk away,

(01:02:58):
I guess. But they've heard everything, like they know that
this guy is a piece of shit and that Gold
calls the shots now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
But it's also like even though they can't talk about this,
it's like it infers something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
There's more inform me, and you know, it's a giant clue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, Like it's so useful to see him getting slapped
and be like, Okay, there's more to all this, even
if like it's not for a cord, it's right, definitely
a peek in. So yeah, it is really thrilling. And
I also think it's a little comedic with them behind
like a marble column being like woo, Like it felt

(01:03:30):
very like yeah, it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, and like for this guy Gold, who's like this
massive like lawyer and we find out later extremely powerful,
like you're not doing stairwell conversations, like you're not come on,
like anyone could be down a stairwell, Like I think
this guy's taking you into another conference room or going
shut your fucking mouth, you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Know, but I think he's pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, he's pissed and I'm the slap is fantastic. Corisi
and Rawlins are now about to go to dinner when
they're like, she finally convinces him stop working.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
We have a budding romance. Let's go out to dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And then uh their phones ring, uh oh, sirens. Cops
are everywhere. Finn and Creese go into a building. They
go into a dark bathroom where someone is dead in
the tub. Done done, it's Ruben Ortiz. Then we see
we've seen this kind of thing before. We see Pollie
in prison getting surrounded by a gang of guys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
He's going, guys, you don't have to do this, you
don't have to do this, and then they just beat
the shit out of him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
And when they zoom out, there's a prison guard standing
right outside, like standing watch and not doing anything.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
And then yeah, it's bad. We get to Rosa.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
She's watching TV and she gets a phone call but
it's just a hang up and she's like, stop calling me,
and then she goes to the window and she sees
men heading into her building. So she wakes up her
son and she's like, wake up, wake up, we gotta go.
Then we see Catalina Machado dead on top of a car,
having jumped from a building allegedly. H Benson tells Rollins,
we gotta find Rosa and Jenna now, and that is

(01:04:56):
the end of this part one episode. Okay, it is
like you watch House of Cards and all this stuff
and like, yeah, there are some sketchy things in Washington
we've heard of, but like you never hear about like
five witnesses in a case all being like murdered, you know,
or like or do you hello Boeing? Yeah, that's true,
the Boeing thing. Yeah, it's true. But with politicians, like specifically,

(01:05:20):
I'm like, people are watching what you're doing, and I
just think it's like you think, now this guy's gonna
run for president. Everybody that was in his involved in
this scandal is dead. Like I don't know, it just
it seems very TV to me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
But also like, why wasn't this guy in protective custody?
Like yeah, today.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
About it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
It's like the day before they're testifying the trials, the
next day guard officers on them like it makes no
sense or safe houses or whatever you do. Okay, So
then episode two and Never Turn Your Back on Them
begins and it's reporters at the scene of Catalina's alleged suicide,
recapping everything that's been going on, so you know, in

(01:06:00):
case you're just tuning into this episode, you now now
what's just happened.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Garland shows up to the scene of Catalina's body smashed
on a car, and Benson uh breaks the news to
him about Ortiz also, and he's like, Kat is looking
for Rosa. Jenna and her fam aren't answering their phones,
so Howard is cleaning house or someone's doing it for him,
Like this guy still thinks he's running for president. There's
no way he did any of this dirty work himself, right,

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So Kat shows up at Rosa's she's still there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Wildly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
She says she got a call to keep her mouth
shut or they'll hurtfully fait. Why would they just tell
Rosa keep your mouth show? Wh wouldn't they kill her too?
But just letting some people live and some people not
like they obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Well, because the other guys have more like enemies, maybe
like maybe with her it would be extra suspicious, you know,
because yes, it's like, oh, it's a jail Sabba, Like
I don't know, it's more maybe with I'm just guessing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, that's true. A jail sabbing. She was stealing from
her company. He was betraying his friend or something like that.
They could you know, there could be all kinds of yeah,
but maybe it's a little more obvious. Yeah, maybe they
have a heart because she has a child. But so
she saw the guys outside and she's like, I'm out
of here. I'm taking the dollar bus to Buffalo, to

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my cousin's house or whatever, and cats like please, like please, say,
here's this uniformed officer who's gonna stay and keep you safe.
And then she straight up lies and goes, you're safe
for here than you are there. We can protect you.
All those seem like lies. We've seen it not work
out many times. I would never help. I would never help.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I don't think I would ever testify against a criminal enterprise.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Yes I would. I'd be like, I will zoom you
from Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I'll zoom and tell you on my info, and I'll
come back down in an armored car for the trial.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Why to Buffalo, because that's where she was going. Oh okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Like I'd be like, I'm going to Buffalo I'll zoom
you from there and get all the inbo and then
when we're ready, bring me down in an armored tank
to New York and I'll testify. Because this does feel
so house of cards, like just the way that it's like, oh,
politicians can get to anybody and blah blah blah and
that quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
That's like a quick, yeah, quick night before the trial.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
So at Rikers Finn shows up to find out that
Paul Binducci is dead from a crack skull.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
It wasn't just a beating.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
And then the guy who's like the emmy at the
prison is like, I don't know CEOs inmates, nobody likes
the rapists, like it could have been anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Who did this, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
And now they're in Bayone, which is the hometown of
one of our recent guests, and Rollins and Belasco are going, yeah,
that's where Tammy Blinchard is from. That's where she lives
and where she's from Bayon, New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Okay, wow, you have such a good memory with that.
That's like yeah, because she's like just such a Jersey girl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
But Rollins and Alasko are on the way to try
to find Jenna her parents roll up to the house
and they're like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Jenna's a sleep upstairs. We just went to dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
They're like, you haven't been answering your fucking phones, like
we were watching the game. It's like your daughter is
fucking testifying against a cong person tomorrow, Like, what are
you doing? Just needed to unwind a little bit before
your teen daughter takes on a politician, Like, Okay, in
the house, there's blood on the ground. They bust into
her room, She's not there. The dad is screaming, where

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is she? Where is my daughter? Rollinson's like, I think
maybe she jumped. Her window was open, like she could
have made it to the floor to the ground. So
the blood, they figure out is probably from the dog.
They have a dog named Maverick getting a bite of
the bad guy, and they think Jenna probably jumped out
like herd Maverick jumped out the window and escaped on
her bike.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
She even left her phone there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
So now we're getting the idea also that we haven't
met him in the first episode. But the dad is
a real fucking asshole, and he runs this home with
an iron fist and Blast goes like the mom and
the daughter don't really want to, the mom won't really
say much in front of the husband or whatever, and
Belasco's like, oh, I think I left my phone back
in the house, and because he wants to go take
another crack at the mom because he's like, I'm Danny

(01:09:52):
Zuko type, you know, blondes love me. So we cut
to Howard getting hounded by the press and he's giving
this whole song and dance about, you know, mourning his friends,
but also all this criminal activity was them, and NYPD
is framing me, and it's political. Like he's basically saying
Ruben Ortiz took his own life because he felt bad
about letting NYPD frame his friend and whatever. Benson, Creese

(01:10:15):
and Garland are all watching this, and they're like, wow,
I would say this actor is hotter than Matt Gates
by a lot. Oh ing, yes, yes, this actor Ben
Rapaport much better looking than mac Getz for sure. And
because if Matt, if I watched this, he probably felt

(01:10:36):
good about himself.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
You're listening, He's probably like, you think I can get
high school girls.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
But Benson, Creese, Garland, they're all watching this. They're like, Wow,
these guys are going to war. They're wiping people out.
McGrath barges in, what the hell we lost our whole case.
This couldn't because I'm a hot headed glory hog put it,
and Garland is like telling McGrath like, yeah, bro, this
is what I was worried about. Like and he obviously
take zero accountability and he's like fine, Jenna. And then

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McGrath gets a call and it is like, well, good
police work. Velasco just saved our asses. So we find
out that Jenna, as she's running away from possible murder
or whatever, has decided to message Q. She's decided, you
know who I'm in a message, This influencer I met
for five seconds before I got roofied the other night.

(01:11:24):
That's who I'm going to message on some app from
a burner phone and crazy, it's crazy, And so she
he goes it's she messaged me, I replied, and then
she ghosted it's a burner phone. They're like, we got
to track the calls on the burner. He's like, I
already did that. And then there there's this one number
that calls that burner every Tuesday and Friday. At four twenty,

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Kat's ears perk up she goes, maybe it's a weed dealer.
They're like, well, we need to track the number to
an address, and he's like, already did that the number
that's been calling, so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
They so they're pressed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Everyone's like, oh, oh, maybe all this boy already the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Does all of his busy work, so he's done all
of the investigating, and they basically end up at this
house in Brooklyn. It looks like it's the house of
maybe a hip hop musician. It seems like they went
out to a lot of trouble of locations and getting
this whole place set up for like a truly sixty
second conversation where he's like, yeah, that's Chris, my weed dealer,

(01:12:21):
but he wouldn't kidnap anyone. And then they're like, okay,
what's his address and does his crew have weapons? And
the guy's like fuck okay. So now we're just swarming
the house the music there's music playing inside. They bust in.
They tell a bunch of guys like get down. Kat
goes along to the side of the house and when
she goes to open the side door, a couple of
shots ring out and hit her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
She's down.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
The vest caught one of the shots, but the other
one snuck under her vest. So sadly, Kat is just
like bleeding with Luckily, she has Finn right next to her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
He's helping her. They're calling EMTs whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Rollin's and Velasko search the house for Jenna, while Kat
is like, yeah, I said, bleeding on the side of
the house.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
This guy has a gun. This guy comes up to them,
he's got a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Gun, and he's like, well, Jenna told uf someone was
after us, and you guys didn't identify yourselves. And then
they're just like shut the fuck up and they just
pistol whip this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
It's like crazy, I am on his side. I mean,
is he bad, No, he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I'm saying the same thing. I'm like, lol. Police work
like they didn't announce themselves. They go it's cute, Jenna,
open up, it's cute, like they never said they were police.
And they go into the house. They've got guns drawn
and Jenna. Someone is trying to kill Jenna, you know,
so he doesn't know. They didn't identify themselves. So I
don't think this guy did anything wrong, but they fully
pistol whip him. I hope he gets a suit against
the city. Well, I just don't know who he is.

(01:13:34):
So he's just like, I don't know if he's just
a weed dealer. Yeah, I'm on his side, but I
think he's just the weed dealer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
He'd better not be having any sexual relations with this team. No,
we what is the vibe? What's the vibe? Like, because
I'm on his side, it's like, you didn't announce yourselves,
you maniacs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, we really never get to the bottom of why
Jenna fled to this place, Like we have no idea
why she's at, Like her friend is there, her friend Hayden,
the girl that they originally had. Like when they're going
up to try to find Jenna, she goes cue like
she's like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Cue?

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Like Eddie's in a full cop outfit. She's like not
putting it together. And then we don't really know. It's
like she's friends with the weed dealer. Hayden's friends with
the weed dealer. We do not know why she's there.
We don't know how she doesn't have a phone, how
did she make her way to this house?

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Whatever, Well, she'd probably lasts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Weed there, so I guess, but she must have other
friends or maybe she is Sarah Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
She lives in New Jersey, so she got into the
city to go to a weed dealer's site. It's like
a lot, It's just a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
It's a long day's journey in tonight to a drug
dealer's house when I don't know how any of this happened.
And now the funniest scene you want to talk about
camp The next scene is so fucking funny. Thelasco finds
Jenna on the roof of the house and she's trying
to get away, but it's really just this little roof
and she just keeps like throwing her body onto different
parts of the roof, but it's like, are you trying

(01:14:55):
to jump down or what are you doing? You're not
going anywhere. She gets closer to Alasco and then farther away,
literally she just They never do like a wide shot
because I think they're like, oh fuck, there's really not
enough like cat and Mouse, but they want to keep
her moving, so like she's just wrestling with the roof
and then Finn's on the way to the hospital with Cat.
She's hanging in there. Jenna is, yeah, telling Velasco, my

(01:15:19):
dad's gonna kill me, and it's like, dude, an actual
hitman came to kill you, but you're scared of your dad,
Like it's so crazy, bad dad, that's a bad dad. Yeah,
She's like, I should have stayed with the guy who
just broke into my house that my dog bit and
Belasco takes off his belt and shows Jenna, this is
the belt my dad used to hit me with when
I was a kid, and he used to beat my
mom too, so I know how it is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
And she's like, what did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
And he's like, one day I just had enough, so
he tried to I tried to stop my dad, and
he put me in the hospital. But then he went
to jail and our lives began. And then when he died,
he goes all anybody wanted was was his car, his money.
I wanted the damn belt. I wear it every day
to remind me why I do this job. I'm gonna
protect you, and you're want to teach you how to
protect yourself, but you got to trust me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
And then she grabs the belt and he like pulls
her over.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
She literally could just stand up and walk to where
he is, but they're doing this whole belt thing like symbolically,
like she's not on a ledge. They've done other ledge
scenes on this show. It's so confusing. So she she
is gonna accept Velasco's help, and she's going to the
top of this weed house or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
She's going inside.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Back in the ambulance, Cat is starting to crash and
Finn has to keep her awake, so he's telling her
a joke. He's like, Cat, Cat, you can't miss this punchline.
How many cops does it take to screw in a
light bulb? And then he goes none.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
They bust the bulb for being broke and the room
for being black, which that's a good one. That's steel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
I want to say, is that Ice team made that up?
I want to say, I feel like Ice made that up.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
That's good. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I mean, maybe a writer gave it to him, but
I feel like, in my mind, in my heart, he
made that up. Cat kind of smiles, so she heard
the joke. She's staying with him. They have this sweet
little relationship. But then very soon Cat starts and they're
doing the pads on her over and over again, like
the clear whatever, and Finn is just yelling Cat Cat
a defibrillator?

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Is that what? It's called it just came to me,
not when I was writing my notes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
But at the er they wheel cat in Lives or
Live arrives, Finn feels guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
He's like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Should have been in front Lives, Like, don't put that
on yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Everybody's stressed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
They're in the middle of one of the biggest apartment
cases they probably had in years, and one of their
guys is down. Now they're upset. Jenna is now with
her parents talking to the squad. They try to explain
to her asshole dad that Howard might be behind whoever
broke in and tried to intimidate her from testifying, and
then dad keeps going, why is she even testifying? She

(01:17:39):
said nothing happened, and they go back and forth and
the dad keeps insisting nothing happened, nothing happened, and Belasco goes, well,
she ends up in the hospital. That's not nothing, like
she did, end up with drugs in her system and
she's sixteen, and the guy goes, don't you talk to
me about my family, Like it's so stupid. These two
just actually start now having a pissing contest's wearing off

(01:18:00):
at each other and they're like, we didn't mean to
disrespect you, and he goes he did he did, like
hit him in Velasco or whatever, and then he makes
his wife and daughter leave. He goes the two of
you up like he's such a prick, this dad, Like
he's like, I'm the man of the house. I run everything, okay,
And the mom has this like I wish I could
help you guys kind of look, you know. And so
now Benson and Rollins are talking to Careesi and they're like,

(01:18:22):
wear fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Cat's shot. Three of our witnesses are dead.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Myron Gold is already filing emotion to dismiss and they're
getting nowhere with Jenna because she's scared of her dick
dad and now less like they're like, I hate to
say it, but Velasco has a good rapport with the mom.
Let's reach out to have him reach out to her.
Good news. For one moment of the show, Cat is
out of surgery back at the hospital, Cat's being Cat.
She's like, wow, dying, Like wasn't even cool. I didn't

(01:18:47):
even get to see a white light. Couldn't I have
floated over my body for a second. And then she's like,
but when I came out of the anesthesia. My mind
was racing. I kept thinking about Careese and Finn's like
Carreese and Kats.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
It's like, not like that, Like she's a lesbian.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
She's not coming out of a of a coma.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Being like, yeah, that hot guy I work with, Like
Finn doesn't respect less, Like he doesn't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
He doesn't get it. If you're a man in a
woman's dream, it's a boner dream. So yeah, she's like, no,
he told me he had no regrets about being a cop,
that he's where he's supposed to be. And she's like,
I'm wondering if I'm where I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
She goes with SVU.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
It always feels like we're there too late, and he's like, well,
I like to get the bad guys off the street,
and she's like yeah, but half the time the bad
guys plead out or they skate if they're rich. There's
got to be a way to be more proactive. And
it's like, I don't know, Like I think she's talking
about like educating men from the ground up, about like
about like fixing rape culture, Like I don't know what
she wants to have.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
It feels very Cabot going to the congo.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Yes, exactly, exactly, except I don't know what congo there
is for, you know, cat. But Finn's like, you have
to just chill. You just got shot and came out
of surgery. Don't make any big life decisions right now.
And now we're at the precinct. Alasco has something. Jenna's
mother has proof that Howard had sex with her daughter.
She saved one of her dresses, and just as before

(01:20:10):
you can say Monica Lewinsky, he drops a bomb, going
Howard got Jenna pregnant when she was fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Done done So now their meeting with the mom.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
She gives Benson and Alasko the dress in a plastic
bag and makes them swear that her husband won't find out.
He'll kill the guy and he'll kill me for not telling.
She explains the whole thing. Jenna met Howard on the
freshman class trip. They exchanged numbers, they texted about an internship.
The mom goes, that kind of made my radar go
up a little It's like, yeah, you're fifteen year old
at the time, daughter texting with a congressman.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
That should make your radar go up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
And then she goes, but she did go get a
job in his office that summer, and then for her
fifteenth birthday, which means she started at fourteen. She was
a freshman on the trip. She was fourteen, so like, yeah,
I mean maybe she had a lot of political promise. Yeah,
like she was a young Hannah Tunberg got to solve
climate change. And he's like, if I just have sex

(01:21:01):
with you, we can solve climate change together. And he
threw her a party on her fifteenth birthday in New
York City and she goes. Me and her dad were concerned,
but it seemed legit. All the other interns would be going.
He sent a limo, so they let her go. She's
a shambo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
The mamo is actually the red flag and not yeah,
oh I'm calm about it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, Or it's like it's like you come to the
party too, and then you get the parents drunk or whatever.
If that's like what your plan is, you know, Like,
but don't be like I'm just gonna have a car cumpicker.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
And she's like the mom goes, you must think I'm
a bad mom, and Benson's like, no, don't, we don't
think that you know, Benson in her head is like,
you fucking idiot, and she says, Jenna never admitted it,
but I know something happened. When she came home that
night from her fifteenth birthday, she was drinking. Her makeup
was a mess. I found her dress. It was stained.
I put it in a bag and shoved it in
my closet. But I like, I mean, like I said,

(01:21:53):
this is a woman who was raised on the Monica
Lewinsky scandal. So it's like you would think to do
that if you know enough about me, But like, I
don't know any reason why Otherwise you'd be like, I'm
just going to keep this dress for safe keeping in DNA. Later,
a few weeks later, she said she found a positive
pregnancy test in the trash. And then a few days
after that, a car service picked up Jenna took her

(01:22:14):
to the city. She came home white as a sheet
and didn't get out of bed for two days. Her
husband doesn't see it, but she sees it. I saw
my baby changing. He has to pay for what he
did to her, all right, So the mom is helping.
But now we're talking to Gold and Howard, and Howard's like,
she kept the dress who does that, literally the most
famous presidential sex scandal in all of time, Like, you

(01:22:35):
cannot run for president.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
You are too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Stupid, Like, I honestly don't think politicians have to be smart,
but I think you are too stupid. He starts bringing
up a hot tub. He goes, well, my mom has
a hot tub lives, Like, no, we have a picture
of her wearing the dress, sitting on your lap on
her fifteenth birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
And then there's the abortion. And Howard's like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
The what And he's like, she told me she was pregnant,
but he's like not wrapping his head around the abortion,
and Gold is like, shut the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Fuck up, Shut the fuck up, Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
And he's like, I know it's a woman's decision, but
I don't believe in that. And this is also hilarious too,
because it's like you might not believe in it, but
you're absolutely getting it done if you knocked up a
teenager and you're trying to run for president, Like you
don't believe in most women getting that, but you're gonna
allow it for yourself. Like I don't think there's that
many Republicans that are like I'm just patently not down
for that like, even if it was my own kid

(01:23:26):
or my own situation, this guy would be doing it.
I just don't buy this, and this is what blows
up his whole fucking life. They're like, yeah, dude, we
have record of your driver driving Jen out a Chelsea
guynecology and I don't know how they have that, Like
the GPS of the driver.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
I guess has keeps a record. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
He turns to gold and goes, you told me it
was a false positive, that she made it up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
This man is mad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
He's like, I wanted to raise a child with a
fifteen year old. How could you do this to me?
Question mark? And he goes, anyway, there is no way
that it's mine. I always pull out. And I'm like,
you absolutely cannot be the president. You don't even understand
that the pullout method doesn't work, is not.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
But also you just submitted it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Yeah yeah, you now in front of the police and
your attorney just too stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Like too dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
And he's like, it's like, I think even Trump knows
pull out methods not one hundred percent, like you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Like there, you're like, I pull out pregnancy is impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Are you twelve, like that is truly what a young
boy would think. Gold and Howard start fighting, and he goes,
I'm protecting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
You, you half wit, and then he goes, what are
you gonna do? Hit me again?

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
And Howard tells Gold to get out, and this is
actually the part where he goes, you're even stupider than
everyone told me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
I jumped the gun earlier, but I wish he said
it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Howard goes all of it, the abortion, Catalina, Reuben, it's
all him, he did it. And then it's like, you're
blowing up your life and everything and admitting to crime
because this guy took care of your your stupid ass
getting a teenager pregnant, Like I just don't I don't
buy it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
I think he'd be kissing this guy's feet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Gold calmly buttons his coat, grabs his briefcase, and says,
anything Howard tells you is coerced under duress and without
the presence of his attorney, and it won't stand up
in court. Benson tells Howard's like, is that true? And
Benson's like, why don't we start from the top. So
now Caresian Benson are debriefing McGrath, Howard spilled and wouldn't stop.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
He claims he's a puppet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Gold pulls the strings, arranged Jenna's abortion, the hits on
Catalina and Ortiz, Polly's beat down, the threats to Rosa, everything,
But is there proof? No Gold is smart. They raided
his office. They'll be digging through ENCRYPTID files for months.
His finances are a maze of campaign contributions, trusts packs,
anonymous donors, holding companies and holding companies. It's house of

(01:25:41):
card shit, as I've already said like three times now.
They're in a room with Myron Gold and his attorney
and she's like, you want him to plead guilty. You
must be joking, and Gold's like, I know the law.
You'll never be able to prove shit. And then we're
back with Anya Avtal, the US attorney, and she's like,
maybe not, but we here at the Southern District have
the resources to dig through your whole fucking life for
the last ten years, and you know that's going to

(01:26:03):
be a pain in your ass. Gold realizes that it
is going to fuck up his life to have the
Southern District of New York in his shit for a decade,
especially because he is sketchy as hell and does a
lot of illegal shit. So he's like, let me give
you a deal. I know where a lot of bodies
are buried, and they're like, yeah, because you buried them.
He's like, they like CARIESI and Avatal are acting like
they just really don't even want to hear shit, and

(01:26:24):
gold is like, I'm making an effort at least act interested.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Lean in, you know, And then they're like, what do
you got?

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
And he's like an ex president and ex president's relatives,
Hollywood royalty, Real royalty, Silicon Valley billionaires, what's your pleasure?

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
I mean, this guy's got tea on fucking everything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
But is he really willing to give up any of them?
Like why would anyone work with him?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Like the whole point is you don't give people up,
Like what whoever they say they'll get, He's just going
to give it up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
I wonder if there's a way to If you're a lawyer,
you probably know a way that you can like anonymously
give this shit up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
That's also like a disbarment. Yeah, it just kind of seems.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Yeah, like what do you get disbarred? Yeah? Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah,
you would, you would. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
But so now Coresee and Rawlins are speed walking through
like Bryant Park or something, and Rollins is like, we
did a deep dive into Gold's offshore accounts. I'm like
the NYPD did, I just don't, like they always are
act like Rollins is like part of some technological unit
that doesn't exist at New York Police Department, I know
for sure. And they're like, and he's holding companies and
he's telling the truth about who he can take down.

(01:27:32):
It's like that was accessible to the NYPD. I think
the FBI would take it from here. But whatever, Coreese's like, whatever,
these people are all already on the fed's radar and
Gold is on all of their wiretaps, so you know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Oh the Feds are listening to all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
They don't, yeah, everything, They're like basically Coorese's like, this
doesn't really do anything for us because.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
This doesn't help us get Gold.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Like, the Feds already have an eye on all the
people he's doing, So if the Feds are gonna flip Gold,
then they're gonna get these people. And cause exactly this
guy's almost offering Coreesy stuff that's too big for korse
Chrise's not taking down the royal family. He's a ada
in Manhattan, has view, you know what I mean. Like
so it's like, yeah, you could pass him off to
the Feds, but he's not gonna help them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
And then Caris gets a call.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
He gets rushed, he's rushing off to a meeting and
he gets a call and he seems pissed. And Garland
is also walking through the city streets screaming into a
cell phone and he's accusing the Attorney General of a
protecting the powerful.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
And neglecting their victims.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
McGrath same deal, walking down the street, fuming into a phone,
and he's got Velasco like tagging along next to him,
and he's like this could have been ten times bigger
than Gotty or Epstein.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
They're all they're all upset, they're all getting this bad news.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
And back of her Office Lives TV is showing Howard
being like Purp walked Live is apologizing to Careese on
the phone. But it seems like at least they got
Howard the sacrificial predator they're calling him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
He's and he does just seem like a fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Idiot who likes to molest and and rape young girls,
but didn't. Actually, it probably is a low level compared
to some of the other psychos that this guy Gold
works with.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Howard is taking a plea.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
He's going to be sentenced next month, so the Presidential
Exploratory Committee is probably on hold.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
But the bad news is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
They're not moving forward with Gold's deal or with Gold,
so they're pissed. They're like the high ups win again,
like whatever, but at least they got Howard.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Kat comes limping in with a cane. She said she's
feeling better. She wants to talk to live alone. She's like, listen,
I thought things would change when I first joined us View,
but they haven't. It's like, girl, you've been there for
like a year and a half. I don't know why
you thought things were going to like change systemically. But
she's like, but guys like Grat McGrath are holding on
tight and lives like you need to stay and fight
with me. The department needs voices like yours, and she
goes does it cause my rank is too low to

(01:29:46):
go up against the system. She's kind of like, I
get why you do this, Like you have twenty years invested,
but I don't and I need to get out before
I get into deep and she's like I just can't
stay and lives like, well, my door is always open,
and sadly that's the end of Kat to me. And
that's a series on cat Tomine. I really liked her
character a lot and I wanted her to stay. But
Carisie and Rollins are chatting about the whole case Caresee's like,

(01:30:10):
you know, eighth floor, I can't believe they're fucking you
like this whatever, and then he goes, well, if this
had gone to trial, I would have had to recuse
myself or you would have had to recuse myself. And
she's like, well, what do you mean And he's like, well,
we need to talk about like the professional implications of
like what we're doing here with our little la kissy
kissy And she's like, well, I thought we didn't have
to disclose unless it's a serious relationship kind of a

(01:30:31):
burn and Carisee's like, bitch, I'm serious as a heart attack,
and she's like, yeah, me too, but nobody else needs
to know that. She's like, can we just kind of
keep it casual, but like together we know that it's
it's important.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
And now they're at.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Garland's office and he's packing his shit and Benson's like,
why do I feel like we're winning some battles here
but we're losing the war, And Garland's like, because we are.
He's like, I went to one PP to argue with
them about the gold decision. McGrath hung me out to dry,
acted like I was not satisfied with just taking down
a congressman, and then I was being greedy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
They don't see me as a team player.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
They didn't fire him, but he's like, I decided to leave,
and he goes I talked to my dad, who's a
career NYPD guy, and he goes, move on, you'll be
more dangerous to them outside the department than in.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
And I wonder what Garland goes on to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
But McGrath barges into Benson's office then, and this guy
does coke or something. Like his energy is always psychotic,
Like every room he enters, he's like, where are we
out of this?

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Like it's so nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
He's like, never calm, and he's like things have gotten
too politicized as for you, we need to focus on
the real rapes and lives like come again and he's like,
oh oops, that's my.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Old school talking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Of course, we believe all victims, but you know, these
Monday Morning regret cases, they fall apart every time we
try to police kid.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Room insane because he's the one that wanted to take
down the congressman.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Yeah, politicize yeah, Also what Monday morning regret cases are
even talking about? You guys just went after a ring
of sex trafficking and child predator.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Like who's in Congress?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
That's not a Oh I think I regret hooking up
with this guy last night, Like that's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Also, no one ever says I regret hooking up with
this guy. I'm gonna accuse him of rape instead. That'll
be easier. Your life sucks, Like I don't even get
who started that rumor.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's no one has ever done that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Biggest piece of misinformation around, like false reporting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that is who.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Like, I don't understand why anyone would think regret would
be harder to deal.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
With everybody at your school thinking you're a slut, so
you tell them it was rape and they're like, that's
better for you to go through trial, Like I don't, like,
it's crazy that people don't do that. So Liv's like, okay, babe,
acquaintance rapes are not policing the bedroom and I'm not
going to turn my back on any victim. And he's like, oh, yeah,
I wouldn't expect you to. You're the best at this job.

(01:32:50):
By the way, you report to me now that gonna
be a problem. I mean, this guy's like flip flopping
even on what he's trying to say. Maybe he's trying
to like feel out how willing live is to like
become an asshole like he is.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
And she's basically like not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
And he's like, you report to me now, that gonna
be a problem, and she goes, no, sir, and that's
dick wolt. And I'm like, if we're never gonna let
her have one ounce of happiness in her personal life,
can she at least can we let her run the
ship at work and not constantly be battling some colossal
clown who's above her, Like, can we, like we're not
gonna let her have a boyfriend, Can she just have
an okay time at work?

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Yeah? You know, it's insane anyway, Thanks for hanging in there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
With us guys. I know, the double EPs are a
longer recap. I try to get through it as quick
as possible. And now I'm excited for Liza to take
us through the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
The truth or the truth. That's Lionel Huts.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
So it's Matt Gates obviously, you know they mentioned him.
Everyone's mentioned okay, So and this is also like, you know,
it's kind of I would say a thrill because it's
happened like November December of twenty twenty four, so to
be like within like you know, the year of it
occurring kind of is a thrill. And the official like

(01:34:11):
report that was released happened. And there's a quote with
him being annoying, being like they did on Christmas Eve
Eve on purpose and it's like grow up Christmas Eve
even for you get a life. He said, they like
did it on purpose, so he couldn't respond or this
and that, and I don't know, it's just yeah, it's

(01:34:35):
it just was making me feel like you're so immature
and funny that Christmas Eve Eve was uttered out of
your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
It's like saying I'm twenty six and a half. You know,
It's like, yeah, this is it's twenty six. It's like
saying skizzers. It's weird. It's like a weird thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
But yeah, Mecca, it's Trump loyalist and former employee of
the government.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Lol.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Okay, So yeah, it's fun looking him up and seeing
former rep. You know, yeah, and that it says resigned
and it was the first district of Florida, and so
congressional investigators found evidence that former Florida Rep. This guy
and he was almost attorney general, almost almost, but that

(01:35:17):
he regularly paid women for sex had sex with a
six seventeen year old, which you know is rape maybe
sashch what do I say, Like all the things say sex.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
It's like crazy, yeah, yeah, And is that the trick?
Is that the thing? Is that why they because then
we're okay with it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
I mean, are we normalizing it by saying had sex
with a seventeen year old?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Right? I consent in Florida is seventeen, then it is sex.
But it's just like it's all kind of psychotic and
I hate having to like argue the minutia of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
The age of consent for sexual activity is eighteen in Florida.
According I am shocked. I'm so shocked, Consider me shocked. Wow, yeah, yeah,
I mean that's that's what that's what this So then
it's why would credible news sources say sex and not
statutory rape like with a seventeen you know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
It's all it's I mean, it's just annoying. It's this
like world that we're living in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Now. This Wikipedia thing says fourteen but also says eighteen.
On what does unrestricted mean versus fourteen? Makes more sense?
Oh okay, that would be actually no crazy. Younger partner
is deemed able to consent to having sex with an
older one as long as their age difference does not
exceed a specified amount that's restricted by age difference. So

(01:36:37):
a sixteen year old can have sex with like another
sixteen year old or a seventeen year old, but he
would be committing statutory rape.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
I'm pretty positive. Floridians let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Yeah, Florida, let us know about the intricate rules, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
You're a criminal to me, no matter what, I don't
care if all you're disgusting, you're a congressman, you were
like elected represent your state in this in the government,
like you're gross.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Yeah and and okay, oh it says it does break yeah,
Florida's satutory rape laws, and frequently he was using illegal
drugs but it was weed, okay, but probably other things
and countless other violations of House ethics rules. He basically
resigns so then he could say he was no longer

(01:37:24):
a member of the House. So then the committee did
not have jurisdiction to release this report. Lol, that's the
actions of an innocent man, Like, like, this report is
about to come out on you, and you resign from
the government to make it quiet.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Like I don't know if that's the like the confidence right,
you're like, bring on the report. I'm innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
If it's if it's like politically motivated and not real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Now now I'm gonna leave my job and be like
you actually can't you can't actually release it. So and
that was his last sitsch effort to make sure this
report didn't come out. And then he also sued the
Ethics Panel and it's chairman to block the report release
and saying like I'm just a private citizen. Now you
can't do this to me, and the committee can determine

(01:38:13):
if there is a public interest then to release its findings,
even after a member resigns and they had to fight
for it, and you know, did they I'm glad they
did it, but you know, it's not a common thing,
I guess. But he was paying sex workers who were underage,
who were girls.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
That's another thing. It's all like written.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
So it's fucked up, how like, yeah, pervasive because like
I'm writing for this from the newspapers and it's like
underage girls and it's like girls, girl.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Is on girls are underage.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, Like it's crazy to even have to because we
never say underage boys.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Anyways, so he was doing drugs with girls, paying for sex,
doing special favors, obstructing congress. Busy boy, he was traveling
with an underage girl and then he paid her for
committing for sex across state lines and you yeah, state line.
You never went across state lines with a minor, Okay,

(01:39:14):
that's a violation of federal law. He denies he did this,
but the House Ethics Panel was investigating him since twenty
twenty one, and in twenty twenty three, the Department of
Justice ended the investigation because they had evidence of adult
women across state lines for sex. They didn't find sufficient
evidence that he engaged in the trafficking, sex trafficking of miners,

(01:39:36):
but they also helped him and did not cooperate with
the House in this investigation. And according to PBS Todate,
the DOJ has provided no meaningful evidence or information to
the committee or cited any lawful basis for its responses.
And that's according to the committee. And a lot of
women who spoke to the Committee had already given statements
to the Justice Department and did not want to relive

(01:39:58):
the experience, especially because the DOJ didn't do much beforehand.
So and they were just nervous. They're like, it's a
sitting congressman. And either way, they did not they didn't
hand over any statements, and they requested for the House
to stop investigating. So sketch, yeah, cool, Justice, Yeah, so

(01:40:21):
let's get Benson on the case and we should We'll
see whatever in swam cover, Okay. They found he was
sending payments for drugs with an email account he created
from his congressional office to get weed, which is a
stoner move. Which is a stoner move to use your
work congress email to buy drugs, get.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
An aid to get you your weed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Jesus, But these are losers, Like that's the whole thing,
Like they're fucking losers and so of course they don't
know how to fucking get weed. He also was abusing
State I D records, mispropriation of camp paying funds for
personal use and properly accepted gifts, and violation of House
rules like a trip to the Bahamas that included transportation

(01:41:09):
and lodging. And then he also showed colleagues explicit photos
of women on the House floor. In the report, they
found that he used his chief of staff to get
a passport for a woman with who he engaged in
sexual conduct, falsely indicating to the US Department that she
was a constituent.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
So wow, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
And that he had ninety thousand dollars in VENMO payments
between him and about a dozen women.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
But the committee.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Stupid, fuck you're using venmo like there's gotta be like
encrypted ways to send money. Why are these congressmen so stupid?

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah, but the ex Florida too. The committee got his
VENMO with a subpoena. So I don't know how much
I love that that, Like your VENMO records can be subpoenaed,
But I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
I'm sure that guy's open profile is public. I bet his.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Probably he's so stupid. I bet his profile is just public.
They're like, we just went in, we saw the emojis.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Like his big excuse was he was just giving money
to women he dated and or women who just asked
him for money, and nothing's wrong with that. He's like, whatever,
some of these women I dated for years, and there's
nothing wrong with funding women's lives.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
That's so. But he doesn't seem that generous of a
guide to me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
You know that he would just be like using your
own money or using taxpayer money.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Oh yeah, I yes, he would be generous with the taxpayers.
The committee said they had substantial evidence that Gates had
sex with seventeen year olds, rape raping seventeen year olds. Like,
I don't know what to do, okay, so the committee,
I'm a part of the problem. So the committee said
they had all this evidence against him, and victim A

(01:42:47):
said that, like she was at a party twice in
twenty seventeen, and one time there were witnesses and there
was like witnesses testified to the panel that he gave
this girl four hundred dollars and she understood that was
payment for sex. She says to something called nineteenth news
dot Org that she didn't tell him her age, but

(01:43:08):
he never asked. I wow, but you know who a
teen is? I'm sorry, Like, I not not believing that.
And three eyewitnesses did see this go down, that there
is a party with old men, young hot women, alcohol, cocaine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
So very sv you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Investigators, according to ABC News, said they interviewed like a
half a dozen women who allegedly attended parties where Florida
congressmen were present and who were paid by this man
named Joel Greenberg, who is one of Matt's closest friends.
And Greenberg was sentenced in twenty twenty two to eleven
years in federal prison after pleading guilty to multiple charges,

(01:43:47):
including sex, trafficking a minor and introducing the minor to
other adult men. So if this is your close friend
and he pled guilty to like trafficking young girls, yeah,
and is serving eleven years, Like, I don't know how
you're still like, oh, but I'm a chill, good guy,
Like I just don't understand people's braain, Like I don't
get it, just as cocky as the fucking character. Yeah,

(01:44:09):
And the judge who handled the Greenberg case, Judge Gregory Personnel.
At the sentencing in twenty twenty two, it was is
quoted this is the ABC News saying he had never
seen this kind of degree of cooperation in more than
twenty two years on the bench. So it's like he
was obviously guilty or forced into it, Like they've never
seen someone plead guilty like that quickly and happily and

(01:44:32):
just so like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Have so many details and like be open to helping. Probably, yeah,
save his own ass.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Probably. I bet they forced him to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
I think he had to do it, and I bet
they promised him things like I don't think he had
a choice here.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's my guess. I don't think. Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
He probably he probably he pled guilty to stalking.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
He feeled guilty. That's probably so hard to prove.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
But like I would say, you're right, and they probably
were like you'll get out in eleven years if you
tell anymore, will fucking kill you?

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Or like tell them more things you've done or something.
Because I bet Matt gaz was like I'm gonna be president.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I bet there's some kind of attorney guy like who fuckings? Yeah,
but he felt he pled guilty to wire fraud, stalking,
and sex trafficking, a minor huge charges bet close friends.
It's really like, I don't know, disgusting. I don't even
have a good the source word. It's just like disgusting.

(01:45:32):
There's a text, Okay, so this is like pretty damning
evidence to me for like the DOJ to be like
there's no evidence, so there, but I get okay. So
there's a text with a twenty year old woman and Greenberg.
According to PBS, she said, you know, usually I do
four hundred dollars for a meeting, and Greenberg responded with
he understands the deal with a smiley face emoji, and

(01:45:54):
then he asked if they were old enough to drink alcohol,
and then sent the woman a photo of Gates, and
the woman responded that her friend found him really cute.
So then Greenberg replied, Wow, he's down here for only
the day. We work hard and play hard. That seems
like substantial evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Now, yeah, I guess it's like I guess you could
talk your way around anything and go. We just thought
it would be fun for him to meet some of
his constituents at a party. The four hundred dollars is
where the sketchiness is, you know, worrd. Yeah, work hard,
play Hard's what they used to say about my college.
That was like on every tour we'd be like we're
like a work hard.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Play hard school, you know, like so, and then you know,
Gates is funny. He goes, I was young, I was
in my thirties. I'm a different guy now. So interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
But he got married in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
And this reminds me of Jonah from veepsu with Like,
I looked up this girl and she does remind me
of the character who ends up with Jonah marrying Jonah
or like fake Tan Sherman. Tan's is more what I'm
thinking they did. He ended up not with her, but whatever.
So we got married in twenty twenty one, and he's like, well,
I'm married now, so I'm different, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
So oh, and this girl thinks she's going to be
a fucking first lady.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
For sure, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
I mean, her name's Ginger and she posted a photo
of him on Twitter with the caption that said unemployment
has never looked so good and that's according to the BBC.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
So listen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Basically, he's like, yeah, this is embarrassing but not criminal.
I partied, I womanized, I drank, I smoke, but I'm
different now and that's the BBC. And he, of course
is like, this is a smear campaign, smear campaign, No
one cares.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
How about him?

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Yeah, all this happened between twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen,
and now he's like stopping a bad boy. Okay, so,
but he is out of our lives really, I mean,
he's not going to be Attorney general, and he's left Congress.
He now hosts a show called The Matt Gates Show,
airing on One America News Network, which sounds nazi.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Oh an n yeah, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
January twenty twenty five is when that show premiered, and
he's on cameo.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Give me a break. What a loser. Not that you're
a loser if you're on cameo. We've both been on cameo.
But you're like a disgraced fucking politician. You're going on cameo.
It's yeah, you're a loser. If you order one from him,
I'll say that too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
So yes, So basically, Axios in March twenty twenty five,
wrote that he could still actually be the next Florida
Attorney General. And then they like explained all the weird
ways and votes and I was not interested in.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
I don't care whatever. He has crazy archdyebrows.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
And our current president was quoted by PBS slash NPR
thing called why but with two whys. I don't know
exactly what it is, but he okay, So basically he's
said that he's the right person to root out the
systemic corruption within the agency.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
So sure, yeah, a guy, you could probably just venmo
a few hundred dollars and I'll do what you want.

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
Like, what a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
I'm glad that, Like, there's been so many horrible people
that Trump has nominated for jobs, and I'm glad at
least this one. People were like, that's a bridge too far,
you know, like at least for attorney general.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
People are like, that's a bridge too far. But don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
There's like an influencer who's going to be the new
surgeon general. So that's good news. But we have a
great guest, So don't anybody go anywhere, all right. Today's
guest is an actor best known for his recurring roles

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on shows like The Good Wife, Mister Robot younger and
currently Gross Point Garden Society, but we know him best
as the sex trafficking congressman douche Justin Howard. Please enjoy
our chat with non douche Ben Rappaport, Hi, Ben, Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
To meet you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
Nice to meet you, guys. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Might already seem like a bigger pleasure than your character.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
I was.

Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
Immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
I'm like, you seem like such a nice guy, and
this shows the bounds of acting, because I want to
murder your character on this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
I just rewatched that two part season premiere last night
in prep for this. I've seen it in a while,
and I was like, oh god, he really is not
good and I and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
That secretive like if you're gonna be a pedophile, stop
chatting about it so much.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
I know, I know it's he's such a petulant child.
And like I had this string of roles like back
I'd say like late maybe like before twenty right before
twenty twenty into the like right after the pandemic, where
I was playing like douchebag after douchebag. Okay, I think
this was sort of like this was sort of like
the mountaintop.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
Of douchebag that I was playing. And I don't know
what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
Maybe maybe there's something cool about the juxtaposition of like
a really nice guy doing really bad things. Maybe that
makes it more complicated, but I was starting to get
a complex about it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
Yeah, no, what men, you're also nice sort to everyone around?

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
I think you like because whenever someone's really evil and
they have to be around a kid, it's like always
nice to hear that they were like nice, like nice
to the kid, Like you know, if you were a
double dick, would be hard for everybody you want someone
to be like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
It's also yeah, it's also like the the twists of
just judging a book by its cover, like you you know,
like we love when they have comedians on the show
playing evil people because it's like, oh my gosh, why
is Martin short like a full murdering pedophile, you know
what I mean? Like that's not what I was expecting,
and it like, you know, so, how did it come

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about you getting this part? Did you just get like
an offer? Did you audition? Like how did it?

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
This this came to me as an offer. Nice and
it's time, Yeah, yeah, baby, it was. It was at
a time I was like right after the pandemic, when
you know, things were really tough, and this was a
complete surprise, out of nowhere offer from through Warren Light
who was the show runner at the time. And uh,
he is a massive theater guy. Yeah, I think he
was familiar with some of my theater work, Like he

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was a big fan of Fiddler on the Roof, which
I did a couple of years ago on Broadway. No,
it was the one with Danny Burstein, the one that
Bartlet shared it. Sorry, my dog who just had surgery
is trying to run off the couch. Hey, buddy, come here.

Speaker 6 (01:52:30):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
So he saw me in that and he's like, no,
I know who's going to play this part of like
this really dirt bag Congressman's kind of like you know,
Kennedy esque in It's been rapidport.

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
I saw him.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
I don't know what it was, but something something clicked
in his mind that I'd be the guy for it.

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
And and it was a two parter too, so it
was like double whimmy, it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
And that's the thing. It's like it's so accurate. It's
like these guys, it's not even a satire. It's not
even an exaggeration of these people. It's like kind of
a tame creep that we have in our I mean, the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Only thing that was getting my the only thing that
was getting my blood pressure down watching this these episodes
a little bit, because like you know, at the end
of this arc, there's kind of like everybody gets away
with everything pretty much. The only thing that kind of
like made me feel better was like that Matt gets
is like kind of out of politics now, or he
got like he got rejected from like you know, like
he at least it didn't get his dreams of like

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cause you're like your character's clearly based, right, I mean
you know you knew that going in. There's like a yeah,
there's similar, Yeah, sure exactly. And I think I think
the blatant entitlement and the like, oh, I'm going to
be president, like none of this is going to matter.
It's like any other politician would be like even an

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allegation like this could ruin my whole career and there's
like so much evidence against you, and you're like this
isn't happening you guys, And it's just so like to me,
that can only be Matt getz. Like that's only like
that level of like creepy, fucking narcissism that I can't even.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
So did you look to any of them for inspo?

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Did?

Speaker 4 (01:54:06):
Yeah, you searched on that or you kind of knew
how to be I mean done.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
It was like pretty like self explanatory in the writing
and like also based on just like the zeitgeist of
who these guys are and like what is constantly in our.

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
Feads all the time. So it felt pretty like Okay,
I can grab onto this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
But what was really interesting is like they kind of
dug into my character, Congressman George Justin Howard, his his
childhood a little bit, and that was I found that interesting.
So like what kind of childhood does this guy have
where he has literally zero there's no awareness that he's
that anything he's doing is wrong, that he's ever going

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to get caught, but no matter what he does, he
can do it with impunity.

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
Like I don't know, it was it was really interesting
to kind of dig around in there.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
Yeah, he definitely had a hashtag boy mom.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
But I mean, like we've watched every episode of this
show obviously a bunch of times, and like they've this
theme they've revisited many, many times, is like talking about
the childhood, like young men whose parents cover up for
their crimes, who tell them everything they do is fine,
like you just got to get to the top, Get
to the top, get to the top. You're the best,
You're the best, Like none of your mistakes are need
to be acknowledged, you know, and that's what breeds these

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kind of people. Well, speaking of you played real life
Billy mcfarliy, Yes, another Dlulu.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Another Yeah, you guys are bringing out that whole era exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Yeah, how was it playing this real life person? That
was pretty like we all know him, you know, we all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Know he's in the news again lately saying Firefest two
is coming like RFS too.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
Yeah, No, that one was a lot of fun because
there was so much footage to go off of with
those documentaries on Hulu and Netflix, and it was a
lot of fun to sort of dive into that. But
also like, okay, how do I you know, you never
want to do an impression of these people you wanted
to do? You want to kind of borrow you know,
maybe like a vocal tick or a physic and maybe

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some dialect stuff, but you also want to infuse your
own thing into it to create something in the middle.

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
And there's a play.

Speaker 5 (01:56:07):
That I did on Broadway that I'm actually I was
just announced today I'm going to the West End to
do it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:13):
Good Night Oscar with Sean Hayes.

Speaker 5 (01:56:17):
Yeah, I played Jack Parr The Tonight Show, and it
was the same kind of process where it's like you
just study footage and you know, you're kind of like,
you know, you're trying to do the voice, you're trying
to do the physical, but then you try to forget
about it after you do that like kind of base
work so that you can kind of just have your
own amalgamation of it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:36):
And I felt like my Billy was a lot like that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:38):
And it was also Shondaland too, so everything was a
little bit elevated. You know. Some of the wardrobe, like
Billy's wardrobe was like, you know, Billy wishes he.

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
Looked like this in the wardrobe, you know what I mean.
It was a little a little heightened.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
But yeah, that one, oh my god, it was so
fun to do. We shot in this like crazy townhouse
in Soho that had like five floors and an indoor
swimming pool and it was.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
It was absolutely nuts cool.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Did you end up seeing who played it? I forgot
her name? Julia whatever? Did you see her on set?

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
Yeah, we were, we were in the scenes together.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Yeah. Well yeah, So what was her vibe? Did she
keep the accent the whole time? Is she in and out?
What was what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
She was Julia like you know, off like you know,
you know, between action and cut obviously, then after that
between setups she's Julia, but she's still doing the dialect.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Okay, it's so hard to go in and out of
a dialect like that. It's so specific, like that weird
like euro American accent that she was doing, like.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
Well, she was doing like kind of three or four
things at once, because it's like I think it's like
Eastern European origin but then lived in Germany. But then
it's but then it's trying to sound American on top
of that, like crazy complex.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
So crazy, that so good, I really like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
But then like right out of Juilliard, you your first
ever IMDb credit for on camera stuff is literally the
lead in a sitcom.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
That's when I've never seen that on anybody's IMDb that
they just like like they didn't have like a bunch
of little shorts they did first or like a bunch
of crappy TV shows where they played waiter number four
and like it's just like you thirty six episodes first credit.
Were you like okay? I mean was your mind blown?
Like how did you even know what to do when
you got to set?

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
I mean it was one of those like trial by
fire things. Like I graduated from school and I had
no I had no like aspirations to be on TV
or movies, Like I wanted to graduate from Juilliard and
like go be a company member at like Oregon Shakespeare
Festival or something.

Speaker 6 (01:58:46):
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:58:47):
And like so the TV stuff just kind of like,
you know, like we had some great agents and stuff
that came to see and casting directors that came to
see shows at Juilliard and they started, you know, I
got a couple of great meetings and got great reps
out of it, and then started auditioning for TV, and
I was like, you know, I didn't think this was
going to be part of my journey. And then like
my third pilot season out of Juilliard, you know, I'm working,

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I'm working theater refreshments. I'm selling water at Broadway shows,
like you know, I'm walking up and down the aisles
talking like four dollars bottles of water to the tourists.

Speaker 6 (01:59:18):
And and then I'm auditioning for pilot.

Speaker 5 (01:59:21):
This is like back during like pilot season proper, where
you go out for like you know, the NBC, CBS, Fox,
whatever pilots, and I get this one outsourced and then
it gets picked up for twenty two episodes and I
go in like so wet behind the ears and so earnest,
like I'm treating it like the cherry orchard, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:59:40):
Like I've never been on other than like a K
Jeweler's commercial.

Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
I've never been on set before, so like I really
learned how to be like.

Speaker 6 (01:59:49):
You know, there's like you're on set, there's like a
million people, like you know, what are what are all
these wires? Who are all these people? What are they holding?
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:59:55):
So it was a cool way to sort of learn
in a intense and quick way. And uh so, yeah,
I was kind of see it as like my fifth
year of like school. You know, it's like the it's
like the camera part of school. And then that you know,
and then TV has kind of been my bread and
butter ever since, so you know, and I have like
a whole new love for doing that kind of stuff.

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And then theater over here too.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:00:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh I haven't.

Speaker 5 (02:00:21):
I have a fun bit of bit of trivia about
about the beginning of the season that I did.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
So this was the season where Marishka broke her ankle.

Speaker 5 (02:00:30):
Yeah remember this, yes, and so she this was the
first episode back. I don't remember what what happened, but
I think she like broken in the Hamptons or something
like that month before shooting.

Speaker 6 (02:00:40):
And so they wrote they wrote it in.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Getting chased off the road by like organized crime people like.

Speaker 5 (02:00:47):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, Like she's like exactly a car is
like tailing her and she like swerves off the road.
And so yeah, those were the first two episodes where
she was she had the broken ankle.

Speaker 6 (02:00:57):
So anyway, yeah, we're getting back.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
To the SVU.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
We got to talk about you getting slapped in the face.

Speaker 6 (02:01:04):
By yeah, by by Gold.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01:07):
Glenn Fleischler amazing, amazing. Do you guys know him at all?

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
He's been on three episodes of sv No.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Five, He's been on five episodes of SVU, we gotta
we got it to get him.

Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
But here he plays a powerful guy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
He played like a loser lawyer and something in another episode,
but he was in was he True Detective?

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
Or I think of someone else? So he's the bad guy?
Is he the bad guy and true Detective?

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
I knew there was something creepy about him when I
saw him in this episode, and I was like, Barry too,
Oh yeah, I love Barry.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
He also was in a Price about Rubies, which is
about orthodox shoes. Well, anyways, how was it getting slapped?

Speaker 5 (02:01:44):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:01:44):
You know, so you know, the cameras like behind us.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
You know, there's like, you know, about a foot of
air between his hand and my face, so you know,
stage combat. Man, you know, it was just one of
those things. But they but that what that sound they
put in posts. It was like night and you know,
nice and media because.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
It's what we all want to do. We all really
wanted to slap you across the face.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
And it's a nice twist because then you're like, who
is this lawyer? Like he's obviously running the show, and
then you realize that you're kind of you're just a
clog in.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
The earth and the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the wheel.
I'm like, I know, clog's not right. I don't know
what it was.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
How was it working with the regulars any Marishka skinning
you know stories for us?

Speaker 5 (02:02:31):
Yeah, well Marishka was great and she like I just
remember feeling like she's got this she's got this stare
when she's looking at a perpetrator that's just so like
it just like dissolves you in your seat.

Speaker 6 (02:02:47):
Like I remember sitting across from her in the interrogation
scene and like.

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
I went home like really shaken, like I think she
doesn't like me, Like you know, it's not just acting.
I think it was something to do with me. So
she really got my skin because she's so good. She's
so it was just like really maybe squirm. Yeah, and
then Scanna and then Scannaveno. He and I like back
in the day used to go out for like a

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lot of the same parts, like in two thousand and
eight and nine. So he's like, I remember you from
sign in sheets at like Telsea's office back in.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
The day signed before Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
Oh yeah, remember the old Telsey where it's like it's
like that big old room with all those benches.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Like yeah, with all the benches and everybody's working on
their stuff and it's like so nerve wrecking.

Speaker 5 (02:03:39):
Yeah you can cut the terror with a nice yeah exactly.
So we like we go back to those days and
we were kind of like, you know, just talking about that,
but yeah, it was so sweet.

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
Wait, tell us about this show you're on now.

Speaker 6 (02:03:54):
So I'm on a show called gross Point Garden Society
on NBC and Peacock.

Speaker 5 (02:04:00):
And it's sort of a like really frothy, fun like
uh you know, sexy, colorful, like kind of Desperate Housewives.

Speaker 6 (02:04:11):
Yeah, I guess you now grow back, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:04:14):
Like a little bit of that, a little bit of
Pretty Little Liars, a little bit of how to Grey
with Murder and the bay that it takes place in
gross Pointe, Michigan, which is like the super like affluent
suburb of Detroit, and everything's like picture perfect on the
on the you know, on the surface, and you know,
pristine and it's all keeping up with the Joneses and

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you know, all this like high society stuff. But it
centers on this garden center at the center of the
of town. It's these four unlikely friends who are connected
through this garden club and it jumps back and forth
in time. But the big thing is that there's a
murder at the center of it. So at the beginning,
you see them six months in the future, in the
winter of these four people burying a body in the garden,

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and so the whole the whole season is like who's
in the grave. And so we jump back and forth
in time and sort of take you on this wild
journey of like how we got there, And yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
That sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
I've been getting I think based on what I watch.
I've been getting served a lot of advertising for it,
and I've been wanting to watch it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
I'm just like done everything.

Speaker 5 (02:05:17):
But it is a lot of fun. We had a
blast doing it. And and the guy I played, Brett,
and he's like a dad of he's a divorced dad
of two, so he has got a daughter who's eight
and a son who's twelve. So that's like a new
thing for me playing a dad of like kids that age.
This guy's very much the opposite of my law and
order guy, like yeah, so it was kind of refreshing

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to like, you know, he I think he's probably too good.

Speaker 6 (02:05:42):
Of a guy. Is his problem, and you.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
Know, he's got this, he's got this dream to start
a car restoration business, but you know he's sort of
like bogged down because his ex wife left him for
her current husband, who's this like fancy schmancy lawyer. Yeah,
there's like a lot of tension there. And this show
is really funny. It's it's super funny, super you know,
it's it's just one of those things where you want

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to like pourse up a glass of wine forget about
the world.

Speaker 6 (02:06:08):
Yeah, just have fun.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
You know, I knew a bunch of people that grew
up in gross Point, and I think the town I
grew up in has a bit of a gross Point vibe.
So I like shows like that where it's just set
against all these shitty people. Well, I do have one
more SVU thing that I well, because you've done so
many things in New York, But how was it like
filming outside the press conference, the courtroom stairs like that,

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those kinds of scenes.

Speaker 4 (02:06:32):
Are you used to shooting in the streets?

Speaker 6 (02:06:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:06:35):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun stuff like that.
Like we shot the in the first episode of the two,
we had this big fundraiser that was shot at the
Marriott Marquis and we got to and then when they
go up to the party up the you know the
infamous party upstairs where they were where he gets caught.
They had this shot where we got to go into

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the you know those famous elevators in the middle of
the Marriott Marquis that are like those glass Oh it's
like mary Marquis was built in like late seventies, and
it's like this almost like brutalist kind of architecture, and
it's got these glass tube elevators that go all the
way up, so like you know, you're standing in the
glass tube and they go up super fast and your
stomach drops and stuff. And so we got to we

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had the whole place to ourselves, so like it was
cool to shoot on shoot on those and like and also,
well it's not so much of a secret right now
because I'm spilling the bean. It's the best public bathroom
in Times Square is the Marriott Marquee.

Speaker 6 (02:07:32):
You go to the eighth floor. You know, you there's
never anywhere to pee in Times Square, Yeah, you go, No.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
I always have to go buy a shot somewhere. I'm
always running into some Irish pub buying a shot. But yeah,
the Marquis eighth.

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
Floor, Marquie eighth floor. You are to here first. Yeah. Wow,
it's really nice too. They keep it pretty clean and.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
They just let anybody can take the elevator to the
eighth floor. That's not like a key access you just yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:07:54):
I mean I would, I would just uh, you know,
might be safer doing the escalator because you know, the
less people kind of garden the escalators, so you go
up a eight escalators.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
Are the New York tips that we have this podcast for.

Speaker 6 (02:08:07):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
My gosh, wait, do you watch Do you watch your stuff?

Speaker 6 (02:08:12):
I do?

Speaker 5 (02:08:12):
Yeah, I can't help it. I watch everything I do.
Like a couple of times it's it's I'm kind of
a masochist like.

Speaker 4 (02:08:18):
That, you're studying what you've done, you know, to see
what you know.

Speaker 6 (02:08:24):
It's probably not healthy.

Speaker 5 (02:08:27):
I mean, I uh, I don't know. I just it's
just something I obsessed over. But I never change anything
based off of it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
I'm just okay, you're just there to like you're just
there to like hit yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
You're trying to.

Speaker 5 (02:08:40):
And then there's like there's times where all there's like
some nights where I'll watch something like that was pretty
damn good, and I'll watch that same thing a couple
of nights later. But that was absolute garbage, and it
just kind of goes like that, it's it's a fun game.

Speaker 4 (02:08:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
I mean I would say, so charming, so exciting. I
can't believe he plays such a douche lord. But I
started watching Gardens Society. Yeah, yeah, it's fun. I mean
it's it's in the vein of Elspeth, you know I'm in. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
a romp around the crime universe. That's right, that's.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
Right, And I love that. Yeah, he's like a douche
and mister Robot, he's like, I just think it's fun
that we keep talking to these guys that are so
hateable on screen, but then they're so lovely in the
Vein of Buchanan, you know, just nice, nice people in
real life.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
That's acting acting, it is, but he was extra great.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
I don't know, I feel like we've really had a
run of just nice, nice, good guys.

Speaker 4 (02:09:43):
Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
The post mortem of this episode is, yeah, no powers,
crowd fully, Yeah exactly. But our corrupts absolutely absolute power corrupts. Yeah,
something like that. But like, yeah, you you can't give
and you can't give people an ounce of power or
they'll abuse it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
It's really crazy everyone, even yeah, the nuns, everyone, they'll
do something bad. Yeah, yeah, and it's about me. I've
been fighting people on the inner I know their bots on.
I'm gonna stop. I'm stucky. But the fucking Kardashians talking
against public education.

Speaker 4 (02:10:22):
I don't even know about this. What did they do
so well?

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
All just the rise of homeschool anti education, Fuck the
schools is just like feeding into all this propaganda. And
to have people with such influence they basically I forgot
which Kardashians were talking, but they were like school is
so like retro, it's over, it's outdated. I'm all about homeschooling,
homeschoolings in and it's like, well, first of all, you're

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rich enough to hire teachers, so it's different. But like
most people are fucking dumb, like I don't they shouldn't
be homeschooling, Like you're dumb, Like what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
It's probably Courtney because now that you say this, I
saw like a headline that was like here what Courtney
Kardashian I had to say about? And Courtney has like
a lot of really stupid views, Like even her sisters
are like like, yeah, exactly, you know, oh well on this,
on this, but like Courtney is like a mom that
I would not hang out like even if she wasn't

(02:11:19):
like her, Like she just like doesn't apparently does it.
If her kids don't feel like it, they don't have
to go to school, if they want to have like
a cuddle day, She'll just like let them stay home,
like no discipline, like doesn't think school is important.

Speaker 4 (02:11:30):
Like she's not, especially with like rich people too.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
It's like you're already so disconnected from humanity and society
like you're and so now you're all like and all
the private schools are they would be with only rich
people too.

Speaker 4 (02:11:44):
It's just like so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
And then you're in fights with people where their bios
are like Christian, heavenly gifted, and then you're talking to
them and they're just like, it's not my responsibility. Stop
asking people for handouts. And I'm like, school isn't handout,
And then she goes, do you not even fucking understand?
Like so aggressive, and I'm like, no, I understand what
you're saying. I'm like, I just disagree with you. I
think it's like, yeah, our responsibility to make sure kids

(02:12:07):
are fed, safe and educated, Like I don't know what
to tell you a handout. These kids aren't your responsibility.
It's just like what are you talking about? Everyone should
be able to go to school.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Yeah, it's there's also just like a lot of very
stupid people out there.

Speaker 4 (02:12:21):
That's the problem. It shouldn't be teaching.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
I just don't get at when people don't realize, like, no,
you're actually dumb, like you can't teach long division, Like
what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (02:12:30):
What are we doing? It's like it's that it's like socialization.
I don't know. I'm not going to get on a
whole thing about homeschooling.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
I'm sure it works well for some people, but like
to be a chamberlain, yes, to be like everybody should
move towards homeschooling is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:46):
Well because it's also like the Duggers stuff like that
Dugger doc. It's basically like you think they're just one
religious like you know, weird family, but it's like a
group of them.

Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
There's a guy in charge, he does the books.

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
It's all like you know, patriarchal lets abuse and then
he abuses people.

Speaker 4 (02:13:02):
It's just like eat like.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
But and then it gets bigger and bigger of just
like people think like parenthood is when you're like, you know,
as being selfless, when it seems like the most selfish
behavior comes out of people in the name of their children,
and it's like fuck all these other kids. Yeah, and
that bothers me too on this level where it's like
I shouldn't want Why am I carrying more than you

(02:13:27):
about other kids?

Speaker 4 (02:13:28):
Like that's crazy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
No, I totally totally like the way that free lunch
gets people riled up.

Speaker 4 (02:13:37):
It's so wild.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
I mean whatever, this government's about to cut money for
everybody to eat, so it's crazy. But let's not get
into that as we always do right before that episode.

Speaker 4 (02:13:48):
No, no, no, just human trafficking.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
Yeah, and thank you all for staying with us. We
know this is a long one, but you know some
of you love the Jumbo size.

Speaker 2 (02:13:56):
Maybe this will last it because they listen to it
in the car. It helps their commute, Yeah, because they
get it a week.

Speaker 4 (02:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:14:04):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
I went to the La Fair on Sunday with the
kids and another family and the second I walk in,
like we're literally just getting our wristbands, and I see
this woman wearing the Olivia Benson Eras sweatshirt and I
go I love your sweatshirt. And then I start, I start.
I just keep walking like I'm okay, I go I
love your sweatshirt, and she goes, wait are you and
I go yep, and I just kept walking. And then

(02:14:28):
her husband chased me down and was like, my wife's
too embarrassed. Can get a picture with you? Can like
to ask you? Can I get one? I was like,
of course she could have asked me. She just seemed
like I didn't know whether like she thought I was,
like you know who she thought I was. But I
was pretty sure that she listened and she was like,
I listen to your podcast on my commute.

Speaker 4 (02:14:43):
Thank you so much. And I was so cute. But
the La Fair huge fair, like thousands and thousands of people.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
I was like the first person I saw basically in
there was a murder girl. So great to see you.
I just wet shirt this week. Yeah we should get
a lot. Let do what would sister Peg do? This
is our weekly segment.

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
You know, we.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
Direct the car coming back from holiday week because I'm
like sitting here and I keep just remembering all the
things I haven't done.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
I know, oh wait fuck oh now the and now
the week is like a day shorter to do all
the ship you gotta do. And you're just like I've
been dealing with my poisoning. JK, I've been getting drunk.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
I mean, listen, just so quick recap before we get
into what would Sister Peg?

Speaker 4 (02:15:26):
But like am I Memorial Day? That lane? My friend
he cooks who we had just the best.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
I had muscles, I had homemade onion rings, steak, asparagus,
crab dip.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
He doesn't really relent. He's very good at cooking.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
We were, we were having a great fucking time. Yeah,
another vodka. Another I've been drinking. I've been drinking.

Speaker 1 (02:15:56):
Okay, all right, what this is our weekly segment what
would Sister Peg Do? Where we direct you towards an organization,
a blog, post, a book, a movie, a doc something
to give you more information about what we talked about.
And listen, there's not a lot of resources for how
we take down shitty Republican predators, so I'm not really sure.

Speaker 4 (02:16:18):
I wasn't really sure where to go with that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:20):
And what I've been wanting to call out for a
while is Fiona Apple, one of my favorite artists from
my youth and current day, has released She's a court watcher,
and she's been a court watcher for I think five years,
and she released a song called pre Trial Parentheses let
Her Go Home. So, like I said, Fiona Apple has
been a court watcher for the past several years, taking

(02:16:41):
advantage of the proliferation of online hearings to virtually sit
in on proceedings in Prince County, Prince George's County, Maryland.
And she has started this or I don't know if
she started it, but she's shouting out this website called
let Her Go Home dot org on that they're really
focused on the hundreds of thousands of women and girls

(02:17:03):
who are incarcerated in the United States on any given day,
and how many of them are detained pre trail because
they can't afford bail, and many of them are moms
and they have are low income and it's just like
really really to me, sort of a disgusting facet of
the cash bail system that is screwing so many people's lives.

Speaker 4 (02:17:24):
So go to let Her Go Home dot org.

Speaker 1 (02:17:26):
You can find a local bail fund, you can donate
to the project overall, and yeah, we'll have a link
to that in our show notes and as always in
a story the day this episode comes out that will
be saved forever on our Instagram That's Messed Up Pod
in our highlights underr WWSPD.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
Thank you so much for that, and next week we'll
be doing Delinquent Season twelve, Episode twenty three, Done done,
See you next week and forever we hope bye. That's
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Speaker 1 (02:18:24):
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Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
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