Baggage

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Done done hoo doy who I've never said that. I'm sorry,

(00:31):
but it's that's messed up. An SVU podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I am Lisa and I am Kara, and welcome to
our podcast where we talk about episodes of Law and
Order SVU the true crimes they're based on. Sometimes we
interview guests from the show and up top we just
chit chat about what's going on.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
And boy we are how is evacuating your family during
a giant fire that's still not apprehended.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
We're two weeks into this fucking year, and like we
don't even have Trump yet, you know what I mean, Like,
I just don't even know if I'm prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I know, I watched the defense guy be like examined
by the Democrat like by the Congress or whatever, and
they he doesn't know anything. He doesn't know any alliance,
he doesn't know the words Like I don't know them.
I can't repeat them. But like I'm not trying to
be the director of of defense. I like, he doesn't
know anything, Like how is this allowed? And why are

(01:26):
the Republicans on tape raping children? All of them? Like
why not? One of them is like, I mean, we
can't have this guy being charge, Like I don't, I
just don't. They're like that one smart guy. I just
don't understand. But like he's cheated.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
He's cheated on two wives and had a kid with
one of them. Out of way, It's like, it's crazy.
Are you hearing about mel Robbins too? Do we have
to cover her? Let them? You don't know about this?
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
She's this like psychologist, Like she might not have a degree.
She's an inspirational speaker, but she's all over TikTok, right,
Like she's like a tit she got. But she's someone
that was like eight hundred thousand dollars in debt. Her
life was a mess, she changed everything and now is
like a millionaire podcaster, right, and she has these this
she's just everywhere or maybe just in my algorithm. Okay,

(02:11):
she's just like everywhere, her books everywhere. But I don't
even know how it connected to anything. Oh she was
just talking about like someone called in for advice on
Chelsea Handler's podcast of like feeling hopeless and like everything
being terrible and blah blah blah, and it was just
kind of the thing that you're probably experiencing right now
in La of like all the big stuff. Let that
you can't change these people. You can't change what's happening

(02:33):
in government, like the collapses, like things are out of control.
And yes, we can be hopeless and it's fine if
you are. Honestly, I'm not Mel Robbins. I don't give
a shit. But it's like the community, the people are
coming out. Yeah, like places are like we have enough donations.
Like it's just like you're seeing actual community come together

(02:53):
and help each other in small, manageable ways that you can.
People's houses are burned down, they have nothing, like there's
nothing we can actually do, but people are helping and
I don't it just is wild. And then I'm sorry
the someone in your leadership. It was like thinking target,
like it's like I just hate everything in government and

(03:13):
it's just she's not original saying it. I can't even
you know, listen, I but it's just a small collective, yeah,
people and seeing people come together and is the one
the inspiring thing we can have before the you know,
insurance companies buy. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I just you know,

(03:36):
it's been unfortunately inspiring in ways that might make you
feel less hopeless.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, but thank you for everybody who has has messaged
me asking how my family is.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
We were we were okay.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
We're about ten miles nine miles from the closest fire,
and our house was very smoke. Our power went out,
so we did leave and go somewhere with better air,
and then we moved to we went to Long Beach
and then we moved south down to closer to like
the San Diego area for a day. And then once
our power was back on and I heard that the
air was improving in La, we came back like we

(04:15):
were gone for two days and it's just been scary
and it's just been sad, Like I just know a
lot of people that have lost their homes. But we
are doing okay, And like you were just saying, it's
been so inspiring, so amazing to see everybody mobilizing, like
everyone's doing stuff to help. Like honestly, I have two
bags of clothes like sitting marked with everything that's in them,
what size they are sitting on my coffee table because

(04:37):
like everybody has too much right now, like a lot
of not in terms of cash, everybody can use more cash,
but in terms of like goods, people like I've been
given so much and everybody I think a lot of
people that have been displaced feel like in terms of
goods donations, they feel like pretty taken care of. But
I think we're gonna shout out some gofundmes at the
end of.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
The money for sure. Money is all so like the
labor of at all, Like people have to sort through
everything and organize it. And so of course you wrote
on the bag, what's up, Like that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
But like one of my mom groups, like two of
my mom groups joined forces and created a store that
was up and running in like three days of all
like really nice clothes for women and kids and men
for anyone, for people, clothes for adults, like toys, toiletries,
all kinds of shit that you could just go shopping
at this store. So instead of people just like bringing

(05:28):
you shit that you're like, cool, this isn't really my style,
or like what am I going to do with this
that doesn't fit?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's what we did. The synagogue had like just clothes
and you could go and fix that up.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, And they had that mobilized up and running for
like in two days, and like it's going, it's going
all week in.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
La one video and it started and I was like
about to be mad that it was like sill, like
I didn't get it at first, but it was a
guy being like, I'm going to donate all my squish
mollows and he went to a store our JUnit and
it was like boxes and boxes and boxes, and I
was like what And then you see the kids jumping
in and picking out their toys and hugging the squish
mallows and then I'm like the kids lost everything. They

(06:09):
don't have schools, And then I lost it, but like, yeah, yeah,
that's like a toy, Like yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, so yeah, I dropped off a bunch of school
supplies at a school at a drive yesterday. Like I
think it's just trying to get things like but everybody
really feels like they're helping, except for the people that
are on the internet spouting misinformation and conspiracies about why
La deserves this or whatever. So appreciate it's not even
to give them time honestly.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I appreciate everybody's well, you know what.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I also told our friends like I was, I was,
you know, I was texting a little bit, but that
the kids were at like a trampoline park. I don't know.
And so I was like, that's so funny because to
the kids, this is gonna be one of the best
weekends of their lives and they have no idea. Well,
obviously there's gonna be trauma. But it just reminded me
because in like O nine or twenty ten, there was

(07:02):
a horrific blizzard in Chicago and like people froze to
death on shore drive in their cars, like there was devastation.
It changed the way like snow days were administered from
then on, like in terms of like, well it's not
risk it. But our friends at the best party ever
and we got hammered, and I had a big sleep
over at my house and we watched movies all like

(07:24):
the blizzard that devastated and people died, not comparable to
the fires at all, but like just such a good memory.
And with the kids, it's like they're just gonna remember Sandy, Like, yeah,
they were so excited to just be at this, like
we stayed at like you know, the equivalent of like
a residence inn where like you know, you have like

(07:44):
a room and a living room and like so that
we can like maybe not be with our kids twenty
four or seven, and like they were like all got friends.
The video the dads were jumping. I got a video
of the dance. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Everyone was like
all of our friends are at this hotel. Like so
in the morning, they'd be like, can we go have
breakfast with all of our friends.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I mean they were like having They love hotels. They
like they yeah, they felt like they were on vacation.
But at the same time, like I've been talking to
a lot of parents that are like, what are you
telling your kids? Like I'm just like I had a
friend text me and go, we've just been telling our
friends our kids that this is a windstorm. And I
was like, oh, everybody do your own thing to each
their own. Of course, you know your kid better than

(08:21):
anyone else. But like I tell my kids, I'm very
honest with them, Like I told them everything. I was like,
there are these big fires, some people have lost everything.
You're very lucky, you know, Like I'm telling them everything
and then people are like, we just told them that
we had.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
A power outage. Is that weird? And I'm like, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
They're gonna hear stuff at school, and I think you'd
rather hear it from your parents in like a thoughtful
conversation than like I'm not showing them charred remains, but
like you know what I mean, like I'm telling them
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
This could be you.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, Like I'm trying to get them to donate some
of their stuffies, which has been difficult, but we did
get rid of a few Paw Patrol stuffies for a
family that had a Paw Patrol fan.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's been like, Okay, there's been comics who have lost
their homes and I understand, like I do get the
sentiment of kill the rich. Obviously, you know Luis g Fan.
He's innocent though, but alleged. But like Billy Crystal, losing
his house is not the establishment, you know what I mean? Yeah,

(09:21):
like Billy Crystal will be okay, but I'm sure he
has better memories than you do and he deserves to
have them, like he hosted the Oscars. I'm sure there's
envelopes but like we can still feel sad for you know,
Mandy Moore losing her house even though she's on a
TV show like the I don't it's not just.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Anymore GoFundMe for her in laws and people went after her.
And it's like, do you think Mandy Moore has the
money to rebuild everybody's life in her entire family? Like
her in laws needs some help, like she reposted their GoFundMe,
Like everybody is going, I don't know. Everybody feels out
of control at times like this, I think, And and
they want to like be like they want to like

(10:03):
exercise control by telling everybody like how they need to
be doing this and that and spending on on on
and publicizing one and and whatnot. And it's like it's
everybody needs to just take a step back and look
for how you can help. But we don't have to
dwell what else has been going on?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
You don't have to dwell? Okay, I will, I'll just
I guess switch quickly. I was doing a show well
still with the Fires. I was doing a show at
Union Hall, one of my favorite places to perform, and
I'm gonna do a show in tel February seventh BT
Dubs and when does this come out? My special is
on Netflix or coming out night Owl? I am desperate

(10:42):
get over it, so.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Please A special night Owl on Netflix comes out in
one week from today. If you have not gone to
your TV and set the remind me whatever button it is,
just go to your Netflix now and go be boop
remind me. That way, it will just pop up on
your Netflix. You don't even have to think about it
on the twenty eighth, because yes, thank you are getting here.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
We're worry we gotta get this baby in the top ten.
I'm also so nervous. I'm trying to like be on
all everyone's podcasts. I'm messaging every friend I have that's successful,
and I'm like, do I have this many things to
talk about? I do? But it is like Jesus Christ,
people are gonna be sick of my ass. But so
Gavin Mattz put together a show to give money to

(11:24):
fire stuff, like I said, yes, of course, I show up,
and I'm kind of like, I don't know, I feel
like I should be killing harder. I'm a little annoyed,
but I'm having fun, you know. I'm like, oh, this
is a nightmare. I go well, obviously in California it's worse,
you know, like trying to be charming, but I'm like,
what's going on? Two people had seizures in the back
of the showroom and two comedians were whole Emil Waqim

(11:47):
Ricky Vellez holding up a woman seizing and then Ricky's
like I kept being like sh because I was like,
no one was telling me. They were taken out of
the back of the room. Yeah, a one woman's ease
and foul and then another and like chances that's not
a massive venue, Like what are the alls of two people?

(12:10):
And I'm up there being like what that was a
good one? Guys, what's going on? You guys are giving
me nothing. I think people are watching women's seas in
the back. But I'm like, I guess it's good they
hit it for me. But I went back behind that
current and everyone was like, you will not believe what's
been going on. Because I also felt like I was
on stage longer, like usually they're really tight on time there,

(12:30):
like yeah, because I was like, am I going crazy?
But I am a professional, like I know kind of
where I'm at, So I did feel like I was
I knew it was more than ten minutes, so now
it all makes sense. But I was up there for
a while being like, all right, I guess they want
me here longer, you know, like because I knew the
next comic was there. So yeah, it' all like kind.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Of wow and both during your set. Yes, it's going on.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, so I hope they're okay. Yeah for your donation
to the victims of the fire. And I hope you
could afford your ambulance ride. Yeah, yeah, I guess maybe
we should figure out how to reach I've been kind
of making light of the situation, but yeah, two people
did have seizures.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
If you know the people that have the seizures, please
let us know that they're own.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, let me know. I don't mean to make light
of it. It is just like a why you know,
a story. It's a story. I tell stories. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Also,
this is a brag, so I well, I guess I'll
do a Luigi update. A Luigi update. The trial date
has been moved from January eighteenth to like February seventeenth,
because the defense, Yeah, the defense actually needs more time.

(13:37):
I was reading an article in a Baltimore paper where
am I the Baltimore Sun. I'm sure I'm a fucking
subscriber and that's why I can read it. Okay, I can't. Yeah,
I gotta check in with the business manager be like
how many papers am I subscriber?

Speaker 3 (13:51):
We need rocket money on the case here.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
But it's actually good for the defense because they need
more time to build the case. And the Pennsylvania date
has been like stopped because basically you go to court
to like plead not guilty and guilty, but you can
do it not in court by being like, we understand
the charges and this is how we plead. Okay. But yeah,
so February seventeenth it's been moved, which is good because
I have a busy Saturday because I was gonna go,
but I do have a lot.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Of seventeenth of February. That's gonna be a Monday. But
that's gonna be like the start of the real trial.
That's not like the grandeur.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
They're like, no, it's still not This is gonna take
a long time. It's gonna be I don't know. I
don't know if it's good. I don't know exactly, Okay, Okay,
I was just wondering might not appear in federal court
till mid February. It's the one of the defense attorneys says,
this is standard operating procedure and and they said this

(14:48):
is good, like they need more time. It benefits the defense.
The longer the case drags, it puts more pressure on
the state to try and get a verdict. So yeah,
and it says he comes from one of the wealthiest
families in Baltimore. Yeah. So honestly, I'm not going to
read you guys, like any paper that uses the photo
of him screaming. I'm like, I don't, I'm not using it.
But oh, can I tell say one thing that I please?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Speaking of court, So, Jeredika watched this movie the other
day with Nicholas Holt that's out now. It's on Max
and it's called jur Number two. Okay, okay. Clint Eastwood
directed it was he truly looks like the crypt keeper.
And I'm not even rude. It's just the side by side.
I know, I know, I know, And like, oh wait,

(15:32):
that's so funny because when I was watching the movie,
the main wife in the movie, her name is Zoey Deutsch,
and I was like, who is Zoey Deutsch? Like how
do I know HER's daughter, Leah Thompson's daughter, and her
husband is a TV director who directed a movie director
and a TV director, and he's directed Tales from the Crypt. Wow,
he's just Wow. That's like a fucking IMDb backflip. I
just did and I was insane. So but he directed

(15:55):
some kind of wonderful which is how he met Leah Thompson.
And then they had Zoey Deutsch and she's in this movie.
So this movie, I mean, fast forward if you don't
want spoilers, but like it's literally if you just watch SVU,
you're like, this movie doesn't make any sense based on forensics.
Like the premise of this movie, Like essentially the premise
of the movie is that a guy gets on a

(16:16):
jury and then realizes he may have committed the crime.
He committed the crime that is on on the thing
for but it's like the way they have her accused
being murdered is not the way he murdered her. And
it's like forensics would tell you that, and so the
whole thing makes no sense. It's like shot in a
way that looks like very lifetime to me, Like and

(16:37):
you go on the Rotten Tomatoes and it's got like
a ninety one percent, and I'm like, I just can't
believe so many people like this movie. It's based, it's
well acted. Oh Tony Collette is the fucking prosecutor. The
guy from Mindy Project who's oh my god, movie Grit
has a new game, Casey. Have you played it? It's
called Movie Snake. It is the best thing ever.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It is so good that I play it on my
Google Chrome, then play it on my phone to try
to get better, and then I play it on both Safaris,
like I keep just trying to get a better and
better and better score because it's so fucking fun. It's
basically one actor, So let's say it's Julia Roberts and
then it's a snake. You don't see the next category,
and you can't the first time I play, I try
not to like skip forward to like see what works best,

(17:19):
Like I try to just play it naked, but it'll
say like a category and you keep going through the
snake of categories. And obviously it just was really fun
because it's the actors you really know, Like you know
Matt Damon's catalog, you know Tom Cruise's catalog. Okay, you
can really have fun picking and choosing. So shout out
to the movie group people for I'm more new games.

(17:42):
You just keep coming at me. And I can't wait
for Reese Witherspoon because I just watched Little Nikki last
night and she's in that. She plays an angel and
I'm about to get an incredible score.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh my god, I wonder if they're sick of me
dming them.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Were you like, I love movie snake. I just googled
my streak, by the way, and I did not get
the I did not get the result.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
That I wanted.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Uh, but like a penis No, it was just a
lot of huge snakes from movies like Anaconda or whatever.
You know that I don't want to see an a
Conda in the theater. Oh, Jennifer Lopez Yeah, and John Volloy. Yeah. Anyway,
I would just say if you're like, if you're even
a freshman at sv University, like you do not need

(18:30):
to watch your number two? It's like whatever, but what
else is going on? That was my review my movie corner.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, yeah, I'm I'm gonna watch the Dana Mora Escape
Show because Melanie, who is in charge of Simpsons Trivia,
told me it is good and her her boyfriend did
lighting for it, so I like being connected. I like, okay, okay,
but that's exciting. I also did go back to Simpsons Trivia,
and I had the time of my life just playing,
just playing. Oh yeah, I said, you guys were going

(18:58):
and we had a great time. And I hope, I mean,
I hope. I'm like so busy when my special comes
out and popular. But also I do hope I'm free
that night so I can go to Simpsons Trivia because
I did have so much fun and we did better
than I thought. But I also am an idiot. It's
crazy because one of the cattle, like one of the
themes was Snow, and I watched every Snow episode. Then

(19:21):
while I was getting ready for that for that night,
I watched a bunch of them again. Took notes. Two
of the questions about an episode I watched before I
left the house had no recollection.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, I like, you were overloaded.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I was like, because I was like, oh, I know
this answer, and then they're like, but how did he
break his COCKSIX? And I go, I don't know, Like
it was just so annoying, but I had just watched it,
so annoyed. Oh my god, I am talking about bad movie.
But I do love Nicholas Holt. I do really, I'm
a big fan of his.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I loved the I like him. It was that foodie
one that I loved, the menu y. I love that, Like,
I think he's very talented. I just and he's He's
good in the movie. The acting is not the problem.
It's just experts. It's also got the MINDI Project guy,
the guy that was like her love interest in the
MINDI part.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I love you know, Hannah, I have Christmasina.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
And he's cute too, Like it's star studded, and you're
just like, why isn't it good? Why is it based
on something that like could not be real? Like later
they try to say, oh, well, the guy who did
the autopsy did for autopsies that day. That's a lot
of autopsies. And I'm like, but you're gonna maybe put
this guy away for like, like you'd redo the autopsy,
Like I don't know. No one is like it's and
then the in the movie, the prosecutor starts to investigate,

(20:37):
and that's when you're like, they don't do that.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
The prosecutors only care about winning.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
They do not they are not going out to see
if maybe they were wrong, Like that's not happening. Oh no, no,
well I watched its terrible movie, so bad that I
could not even finish, even in the background while I
was doing other things. It was that bad. But star
studded so it's so weird, and I think the reason
it got me, not that that's this podcast, is because

(21:02):
this guy made She's all that and the guy just
bought the script. Get over it.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Get over it sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So bad, But listen to this cast. Kirsten Dunce, Ben Foster, Cisco,
Shane West, Colin Hank, Zoey's Sildana, Mila Kunis, Swoo Scerts,
Ed Bagley, Junior, Martin Short, Carmen, Electra Coolio like and
this guy, Dove Tiffenbach, who is from SVU episodes That's

(21:32):
why I know him and from a Harriet the Spy.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
But he's you know it truly is. Oh wait, Melissa
Sage Miller is in it.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, but I because I don't know who that is.
She's one of the forgettable das from SVU. She took
the strawberry.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Blond that you're like, who the fuck is this like.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Are you fucking kidding me? Oh my god, you have
to cut this as a clip. Casey, the fact that
I fucking you're like, I swoop because I didn't get you.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
She's Jillian Hardwick.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
She is third in the IMDb photos and I skipped
her because I go, well, that's an unknown who didn't
go anywhere. And she is in the show that we
do a podcast about. Are you fucking kidding? And we
call her the forgettable da she is forgettable. That is
why you don't have a career, bitch. Sorry, yeah, Ada,
Jillian Hardway. Oh my god, Oh my god, this is

(22:22):
the best moment of my life. Like this is electric.
Eleven episodes of SVU skipped over even saying her name.
She's redacted in your mind. Oh my god, this is
like the best moment of my life. Oh how she
was a mister Woodcock. That's funny. Oh that's a good
one for Billy Bob Thornton if.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
He ever comes on movie grid is that Susans is
mister wood No, that's a different movie.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Never mind. Okay, but what I did want to say,
and it does have to do with our podcast, kind
I mean, yeah, So I went to the first, it's
a brag. So I went to the Met an artist
that I owned three pece from him, and then he's
gifted me one piece as well. He was at the
he was in a Met, he was in an exhibit
at the Met, Damians Damian Davis. So we and it,

(23:10):
you know, So we did a pilgrimage to the Met
on a Sunday, on a.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Sunday upper eating, I mean side on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah. I'm just saying, like that's commitment. That means you
really want to see someone because it is packed.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Ye, not the way I love to do things.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
But the exhibits till February seventeenth, it's Flight into Egypt,
Black Artists in Ancient Egypt eighteen seventy six to now.
And what it's cool is they had like a TV
situation playing an old sketch of Richard from the Richard
Pryor Show, which I don't even know was a show,
and it's like it seems very Chappelle show, Key and Peel,
like what a lineage, But it.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Was a sketch about like.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
How they like find a tomb and realize that the
civilization started with black people, so the white people. One
of which is Robin Williams, close him in a tomb
and burn everything to hide it.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, oh my god, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And what was cool was like Damien's piece was in
the same room as like next to a Kara walker
and in the same room as a Basquiacht, Like, oh,
that's so and obviously like probably other very well known
artists that I just don't know, but like yeah, and
then I heard two women walking towards the Damien's piece

(24:26):
going oh, I want that, like pointed him and then
like read about. I mean, it was like I can't
believe I know someone with a piece at them in
the met Like I just can't awesome, that's cool. I
truly can't believe it. And then on the way there
I couldn't even believe my luck I found an exhibit

(24:46):
that was I So we're walking past the modern photography.
I mean, this place is huge, so like you have
to walk across the thing Jesse Crimes corrections and it's
a whole room of our made by this guy, Jesse Crimes,
who was incarcerated for five years, and it's basically the
art he made on the inside with decks of cards, soap,

(25:09):
newspaper clippings and photos and pebbles from the yard and straying,
and it's like his whole thing was they can take
everything from you, but not your.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Ability to create.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Wow. And but the art was just okay, yeah, like
you know, limited resource considering the materials.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, limited resources.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
But it was also like the power of photography and
like just different photos of like peoples, mugshots and collages
with like famous people and newspapers. I don't know. I
just like couldn't believe. I found like a prison art
show on my on the way and I did write

(25:51):
to Luigi to let him know about the exhibit.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
How are you communicating with Luigi snail mail or is
there any Yeah, I'm writing No, No, I'm writing cards,
like okay, I'm writing.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I've written to a few of I only have one
friend that's been supportive, and everyone else is like pretty
upset by my choices. One friend said, I will pray
for you. One shook their head. No. But I just

(26:21):
couldn't believe it, and that's awesome. It was just cool,
a beautiful day at the met And I also just felt,
I mean, this is like terrible to say, well, you know,
you're in the fires of la But I just can't
believe I live a train ride away from the met Like.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
It is Yeah, that's that is cool.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, it's like to be an art It's like yeah,
And that's how I felt in Chicago, like I love
I mean, I love the Art Institute. But and it's
so funny because I saw a painting and I go, wait,
that's in Chicago. This George Sarah is not fucking hero
what the fuck? And it was one of his like
like getting ready ones. It was like a study. It
was like one of the prequels to the Final and

(27:04):
I was like, damn, I'm like so smart. Yeah, the
last year the Art Institude in.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Chicago is amazing, Like I love that museum.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
No, it was just a very special day and also
connected with what we do and what we're interested in.
So it was like that's cool. Anyway, any business, before
we wrap up, We've got night Owl on Netflix coming

(27:33):
out in one week from today. The time I had
like a really fun experience with my sales associate at
T Mobile, but I think since we're at thirty minutes,
we could save that for a different day. The one
little funny thing I'll say about it and then this
will be a to be continued for next intro. But

(27:56):
I was like, I'm not good with technology. It panics me.
I'm just like it's it's a trigger for me. So
I'm like stressed. I have to get this upgrade. But
my sister got this great deal. I gotta go get
a new phone. And I'm like panicked and something glitch
like while it's sharing information, I'm like, what's the mirroring?

(28:17):
Like is all my photos the files? And I'm like
flipping out. He goes, No, I understand. The iPhone twelve
merge was a wild time. A lot of people lost
a lot. He goes. I get a lot of people
your age, real stressed. But things are different now, That's
what he said to me. Things are different now, he goes.

(28:37):
He goes, I get a lot of people like you,
stressed out, but like all of your photo everything will transfer.
Do not worry.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
He's okay, okay, babe, Everything's gonna be okay, all right
before we leave though. Also, Lisa has a ton of
tour dates. You can go to the link in her
Instagram bio for those or you know that's messed up.
Live dot Com has like all of our Instagram bios
that lead to calendars and stuff like that. And then

(29:04):
we are going to be doing a live show in
DC on following Lisa doing a weekend there, so go
see Lisa do stand up. And then we're doing a
show on February twenty third, so go grab tickets to that.
We love coming to d C. And yeah, it's going
to be at the Improv again. We always do a
different episode, so if you've come before, come again, and yeah,

(29:28):
let's get started.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Baggage Season ten, episode eighteen. I'm really excited. This also
reminds me there's a show called Baggage and it was
referenced and I think season one of Girls. You know
you have like big baggage, medium baggage, little baggage. Have
you heard of this?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So in Chicago, I had a friend and every New
Year's Day we would get together and watch Baggage. And
it was a game show hosted by Jerry Springer and
basically it's like a dating show and a man or
woman and then there's like three people, three contestants, and
they have a giant suitcase and they reveal your like
big baggage.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yes, I'm remembering this and then you.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Pick which one you can't deal with, and then one
gets eliminated, and then it's like medium baggage, and then
you have to pick someone before you find out what
the small bag, like what the biggest baggage is or
the you know, the like, yeah, the most fucked up
and then you like decide are you going to date
that person or not? But it's it's unhinged. Oh guess what.

(30:32):
You can watch it now and then watch it on
Pluto TV on all these new fast channels they're letting
you watch baggage.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I totally remember this now that you're bringing it up.
I'm like, it's coming back to me, like.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And I remember. I feel like I remember Shoshana's baggage,
like her most crazy one was that she didn't doesn't
love her grandmother, and then one was that she was
a virgin, and then I don't remember what the other
one was.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Wow, I what do you remember?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
What they ever were on the on the Springer Show, Like,
were there ever any like crazy ones? Like I feel
like there was one that a guy was like I
was in Joe for Murder. Never mind, but maybe I'm
making that up.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
That would be in I remember any of them, but
we yeah, we would eat I think wings Stop and
pizza and it was just it was I think we
only did it like two years in a row, but
it was nice. But this is not that. This is terrible.
This is terrible and obviously unlocked a huge fear. I
am traveling and this is something that will like, did
I already give something away? Listen, I don't care. This

(31:30):
is the most horrifying episode. So we're in a sexy
old time warehouse elevator and it's the type of elevator
that would be in a nineties movie about a woman
cheating on her husband with like a sexy art guy,
and obviously something goes wrong and like the Diane Lane
movie Unfaithful, yeah, perfect murder. Like there's always just like

(31:53):
an old timey sexual elevator because the guy always.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Lives in like a massive yeah loft that he's like
and you have to like crank the elevator yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah. I actually just recently went to a bar where
they behind the bar they were cranking with the rope
the food from the kitchen. It was like a circular
police system. Yeah, I mean I felt like I was
on a pirate ship. Yeah, I got a lie. Wow, okay,
so cool. So yeah there and we hear chatting and

(32:24):
it's between a young woman explaining art to a white
haired man who is pawing at her, grabbing her. She's
pushing them away, but she still tries to like talk
about art. Every piece is unique. He's now fully in
a rate mode. He's trying to get her. She's like screaming,
and then she goes, Casey, Hi, I've brought someone to
see your ceramics, and then oh god, Casey is dead.

(32:45):
And not only is she did she is naked, eyes open,
bruised up, tied up in like a BDSM style, tyings
marks on wrist ankles. She has red hair. It's very scary,
and the cameras start, you know, flashing. It's Judah Ciper,
friend of the pod, and she's the lead on the
science side the scene, and this apartment has a lot

(33:06):
of plans, like full jungle vibes. She was really ahead
of her time. And then Finn and Stabler arrive at
the scene and she gives them the lowdown. This is
Casey Chapman. She's twenty eight. Did you think about Tracy
Chapman when you saw that name? No, that's I should
have though. That's how it's scy that they did.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Casey Chapman is pretty funny, Like, I mean, I'm going
to Tracy Chapman fan my whole life.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I miss that. I never cared. It's fine. It's just
like word associations, you know. Yeah. So she's twenty eight
and she's an up and coming ceramics artist, so I'm
sure she has wealthy parents as well. There's no sign
of forced entry, so Finn, you know, it's like he
you know, conned his way in obviously, but there is
a window open, and Stabler is like, this is fucked.

(33:52):
He goes tortured, hog tiede and posed for shock value.
This is not the first vict And then we find
out not the first victim, April Silva. The same thing
happened to her three weeks ago. And they both have
their lips glued shut as well. And then they see
he you know, is learning he's leaving less behind, and god,

(34:13):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
There's it's really really graphic. It's really a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Basically there is her back is burned from hot water,
so it's like scalding hot water, and Finn goes and
he's just winding up, and Stabler goes, well, we need
to shut him down, and we go into credits, of course,
and we're in Melinda's house and there are you know
what my dad asked me during I went to see

(34:38):
them on New Year's And my dad goes, when did
you like that? So Dad like or me, but he
was like, why do you do this show about our podcast?
He goes like why Cray like, why do you learn
about this? And I go, Dad, I made you take
me to a murder cereal like a cerealcular wax museum

(34:58):
when I was a child, Remember I watched OZ and
you would take me to the library and ed get
like forensic Psychologists book. I'm like, none of this is
ringing a bell that I've been doing this for ever,
Like it's so crazy to me. That's so funny. He's like,
and I'm a criminal justice. I'm like, I also majored

(35:19):
in sociology, like the study of people and how like yeah,
why they do things? Effect Yeah, like I I you know,
maybe he's just older or doesn't remember, or it's just
too much. But it was such a dad thing of
like when just start doing this And I'm like you've
been here for all of it for decades.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Meanwhile, like my parents will give me something canoeing related
like every year, and I'm like, I was a canoeing
counselor twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I have other interests.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
They'll just think of.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Remember one thing that you like and be like here
it is forever like and then just ignore the other
things that you've been clearly interested in.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It was just so funny. I'm like, I just care
about injustice and I don't know it's sick, but yeah,
we'll see. I just can't believe I'm going to about
to be like a woman in the court stands. Okay,
So we're in Melinda's house and the well because then
you know, I'm only I'm so acab and my dad
was like, why why are you so anti? And I

(36:18):
go all right, let's go. So then it was just
like every it was the ed Kemper police trials. It
was like, what was the upstate New York one where
I kept it scaping. We'll Colleen stand too, but like
I just like kept going bad, like all these cases
that we've covered, and I'm a pothead. So it was
like the fact that I remembered as many as it.
I'm like, I don't make stuff up. My thing is like,

(36:40):
why would you trust your children less than Russian television?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, my parents trust me less than Fox News.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
It doesn't make sense. Like, I don't understand why you
wouldn't listen to your kids who you ran who? Like
you paid for my college.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I know, that's such a good point. It's like you
created me.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You don't have any faith in anything I have to
say or my thoughts. Yeah, but anyways, back to this horror,
back to the scalding backwood. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Woman, so we're talking about pubes.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, that's it. Melinda's house baby. She says, there's no
foreign hairs or fibers on the body, but there were
pubes in the carpet. Score, so running DNA Now she
died from strangulation. Bummer. She died thirty four hours before
she was found. She was also punched in the face.
Like the first victim, the new one was not sexually assaulted,
but her butthole was glued shut. Like what, Like, Kara,

(37:50):
how much of this episode's in the true case? Not
that's not in it? Okay, because who came up? Like
I think the writer of this needs to be put
on a watch. I don't trust this motherfucker. You're crazy
gluing buttholes and that's not part of the real crime.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, Like we already did the lips being glued shut,
which I was like horrific, Like there's something just horrible
about that. And then you're like, can we add something else?
How can we up it? Glue their butthole shut as well? Yeap,
let's glue the butthole shot. Like what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
My god? Okay, So anyways, it's just upsetting to think
someone is going through something like that. So and then.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Hopefully the butthole was glued shot postmortem. I just have
to say that I'm hoping that that was a postmortem.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, you know, you know the answer and Edma Linda
goes it took an acetone levage to get the scope in.
Should I have left that detail out? Like I don't know?
Or should I let the audience know that she said that.
I so levage is underline and I spelled it right
from the episode. Levage is something that they invented. But

(38:58):
I know exactly what she means. But oh god, Okay,
So he's gluing a holes shut, he's torturing hot water.
They better find the sicko and fast. Sailor is shocked
that there's no rape, so that means probably his dicked
in work, and that's what leads to like more rage.
So like anytime he can't rape, there's more anger involved

(39:18):
because his dick sucks. And then two women have nothing
in common, like except they do live in Harlem, and
then in walks in this guy, Victor Moran, Detective Rictor
Moran for major crimes, and he lists sophomore parts of
the city. Okay, he's just like blah blah blah blah,
and there are more and he has a flash drive
and he's like, here's you know, the info hogtie all

(39:40):
mouse glued shut like this is it? Two raped, but
not all of them and the ones that not raped
all have a butthole like this is like glued like
this is a thing, a pattern, Victor Moran so and basically,
you know, he has to debase these people, humiliate them,
whether he rapes them or not. And he's being helpful informative,

(40:00):
and Finn's like, well, why didn't you say anything sooner?
And it's like, I don't know. He came in pretty helpful,
but he goes, uh, well, sorry, it took me, like,
you know, second to get it together. And then he
goes because it's all different, like the first one used
her own belt, second one scarves, third rope he brought,
so there's always a turn. And then Stabler goes, well,
when I looked all this up in the system, I

(40:21):
didn't find it. Now we hate victim Ran. He goes,
I blocked it. And then they go, oh, you're a
glory hog. So he like blocked people being able to
get information because he wanted to solve it. What the fuck? Yes?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Bad, Yeah, it's bad and it it yeah, because why
is that even an option? Why is there an option
in the system that you can block information from other
precincts finding it?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, like he does know it's about them, but then
it's like why clog And he goes, I've been working
this for six months.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I didn't want anybody in my way. Yeah okay, and he.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Goes, you see every fifty five days now it's down
to every nineteen. And Stadler's like, cool, now get lost.
We got it from here and Major and he goes,
Major Crime says it's mine, this is this is what
we talked about last This is what we talk about.
Why can't men be more like women? They're like, they're
just always taught not to be feminine, and it's like,

(41:17):
this would be a moment where I think women would go, oh,
let's share information, let's get this.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Let's get collab, let's get let's collab, let's throw it down.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
That's ice.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
We're gonna find this guy.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yes, girl, come over, bring wine, We're gonna figure this out.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Truly, I'm gonna be talking about the way they fight
over this case for about thirty five minutes, Like I
am so livid at how much time, and and not
only that, Craigan's gonna be He's in his own fight.
So basically, then the morang goes, well, my boss is
talking to your boss. Mature, mature. So Cragan's in with
the chief of D's and Craigan goes, no, it's mine,

(41:55):
my squad can do it. How dare you? You get promoted?
And the first thing you do is me over my
desk and so and so. Then they waste more time
fighting who gets it? Munch is there, and finally Finn
is like, can we get a suspect profile? Then? And
he goes okay, okay, great. So then Moran goes, okay,

(42:16):
I think Latino black mail late twenties, early thirties, Stablers
poop Poo's. The infhone goes, yeah, yeah, you're not the
only cop who spent time in Quantico and walks off,
and it's just like okay, and then his response is, well,
I'm the only cop working at Sport, so you blocked it.

(42:37):
But if you didn't block it, they could have been
working on it. So then Craigan and the chief of
D's walk out yelling, and he's like, stay out of
Moran's way and give him what he wants. And they're
both bald. It's just like bald on bald crime. And
then again even the bosses aren't like, Hi, hey, how
about we all work together to solve this horrific serial
killer who is like torturing women in Stabler gives him

(43:01):
the box of info and is pissed and he's like,
you're using these victims to get a gold star from
your boss. And it's like, well, you're doing the same thing,
but now it's gossip time. Stabler goes, I hear you
don't know how to play nice with people, and he goes,
I'm just better working alone, and then he goes, you're
willing to risk more victims because you can't share. Come on,
and he screams, this is my only priority. You have

(43:24):
so many sex crimes. Go do your other work and
give me privacy. Sabler walks to Finn, who has a witness. Okay,
So Deborah Huggins lives one floor below, she works nights,
and she found their card during while they were canvassing,
and so Finn is going to keep Major Crimes busy
while Stabler is going to go work the case alone

(43:45):
and not involve him in it. So again like foolishness,
Munch walks in and goes, fuck the pubes from the
carpet aren't in the system. Maybe we can do a
familial match, and Victor Moran goes, why are you asking me?
Just go do it, and mons like geez okay, yes sir,
and Finn hates him too. In Major Crimes, by the way,

(44:06):
it is an actor named Delroy Lindo, and so Victor
gets very America's next top model, and he goes, I'm
trying to catch a killer, not make friends, and then
Finn says, by yourself and Vic asks, you think I'm
out of line, and then this is more ice than Finn.
He goes from the minute you got here, and so

(44:28):
I hope, since you know, I hope he learns something.
This is a mess. So they go see Debrah and
she's like, I think I might have seen the killer.
I saw a guy waiting for the elevator. He was
in a maintenance uniform but no company name, and so
that gave me alarm bells. He was black, twenties, lanky,
and then in the elevator, she also noticed no toolbox.
So she got Karen with him and then started asking

(44:49):
questions and he wouldn't answer them, and she hurried into
her apartment. She's gonna sit with a sketch artist and
get it going. So now immediately we get a phone call.
That's someone that looks like the sketch is getting chased
by a group of people and they look like they're
out for blood, and this is all moving very fast.
He's getting beat up. Finn and Stabler arrive at the scene.
They like rip people off of him, and then he

(45:12):
looks he looks like the picture and the guy that's
in charge of the mob beating him up is named Peanut,
which is a fun detail.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I love that. I love Peanut.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
It's like the person who wrote this, I was pissed
about the glued butthole, but I'm back in with the peanut. Yeah,
you got me with Peanut.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
This reminded me of Richard Ramirez, how like a random
like crew of people in the neighborhood just chased him down.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
That's how he got caught. Like, I love that the neighborhood. Baby,
don't fuck with us. So basically, Peanut's like, yeah, we
recognize him from the news. We were all playing basketball.
He was going into the building where my granny lived,
and then they see he has lock picks on him
and they're gonna put him in lock up, and he
you know, and he thinks but he thinks the cops.
He goes like, thanks for saving my life, and Stabler goes,

(45:56):
I don't even know if I'm happy about this, and
the guy gets confused, like what. So we're in cement
room bars and he's so beat up, and they think
it's him. They're being mean to him. They're really going
out of him. He's like, I'm chill, this is chill.
But then he slips and goes I always wear gloves.
And then he asks for a lawyer. He goes, I'm
getting a raw deal. He starts crying, and Finn does

(46:16):
the classic oh you think this is a raw deal,
You're gonna get it raw in prison. You're gonna get raped.
He's crying. He's like, we're gonna fucking rape you in prison.
They're gonna throw the table like there. I hate when
they do. Yeah, I hate that tactic. And then you know,
so then the guy peas himself. He's so scared and
I'm like, it's not our guy. Okay. So then they

(46:37):
come out and Craigan's like, what the fuck was that?
And they're like, well, social workers said his biggest fear
was prison, so we decided to pounce.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
On that lean up and he so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And then finally cabots there and the only one making
sense a woman. She goes like that jellyfish of a
person did not commit these brutal crimes, like come on,
you're wasting my time. We need a murder kit or
leave me the fuck alone, and then she leaves. Munch
walks in and says that Chief of Dez is here
and Granddaddy is mad. So then the squad comes out

(47:10):
and he's yelling like, how dare you take this case?
I told you you were off of it, and I
wish Cabot was here to like help them work together.
So the baldies fight, and then we get a reveal
maybe why our friend has anger issues. Basically Victor Moran's
kid is in the hospital and so you know you'd
rather but yeah, be with your kid maybe at but whatever.

(47:30):
So he's invested in the case because his life is
too sad. So then they're you know, at the end
of the day though, like the offices, the PPEs, what
are the what are the name the PPOs? What is
the p one? Pp one? Ppeah? Oh all one pp
cares about his results at the end of the day,

(47:51):
just get fucking results. And we have a guy in there,
so let's go, you know, keep nailing this guy. They
go in. He's in the corner. He split his own
thre wrote he was so scared of jail he decided
to slit his own throat and then he said, I
didn't mean to hurt anybody, and while he's falling into unconsciousness,
and then Finn takes takes that as a confession. So
Stabler is like, gonna visit the hospital where Marana is

(48:14):
with his daughter, and she's been like this for five months.
There's a car accident. She's twelve years old. It's very sad.
He does a monologue, he's you know, he chokes up.
She's supposed to have a life. And now Stabler sees like,
maybe now that you know his wife is dead and
his child is on a ventilator, that maybe they can
work together. So Stabler says, solving this case won't bring

(48:37):
your daughter back. Okay, what a dick, And Sailor's like,
this case isn't about you. It's not about your family.
You gotta you can't pull away from the squad. You
need to work with people. We and you not getting help.
The victims pay for it. He gets up and says
I can do a good job, and Sailor goes, well,
stop blaming everyone for your shitty situation. Yeah, how many

(48:59):
things do you think you miss because you're in grief?
And then he goes how many fresh eyes could have
helped this? And he goes, Okay, okay, I'll we'll all
work together. Phone rings another body. So that's a bummer
because that means the suspect, which we knew was not.
He pissed himself and slit his own throat. It's not
the same guy that glues buttholes and tortures women. Okay,

(49:20):
so the suspect they have is wrong, and uh oh,
this time the woman is burned. So this is Sarah
bral and Victor goes, well, you want to know why
they he burned her, and we do. So what I
didn't mention earlier was there was a leak to the
press and that there was DNA found, So the press,

(49:41):
we don't know who leaked the story. It's really fucked up,
but basically that the cops had DNA from the Pubes
was told on the news. And so now he burned
the woman, So now there's no Pubes traumatic music. So
the balls are chatting and it's confirmed. You know, they
take a deep sigh. She was burned alive while he

(50:02):
was in custody, and that's because of like the breathing,
you know, like the contents wrongs and so so that's
Melinda info. And but like, what did the suspect confess
to then? And that was burglary. And then a dude
was there and they fought and the victim died of
a heart attack, so that's what he So this is

(50:23):
a big scrub. This is a big scrub. But Victor
defends him and finally he's like, all right, fine, now
we'll work together. I thought the hospitals when they decided
to work together, but I guess they needed another woman burned.
So now they're going to work together. And Craigan goes, wow,
you finally saw the light. And he goes, yeah, maybe,

(50:44):
and Craigan goes, you're not a team player, Moran. You
hold anything else back and I'll have your ass and
then okay. It's like Moran's like hands up, all right, dude,
Like I'm ready to work. I'm ready to work. Stabler
has his thinking face on and just looking and looking
and he sees something. So him and morand get Cooken.
All victims, same age, but very racially socially and professionally

(51:06):
and physically different all over the place, Like but what
are the what are the similarities? Like what are the
ones that he did not sexually assault? Like what's what's
going on there? And so basically like one the Morgue photos, blonde,
but she had a red hair, and then also like
one of them, didn't have natural pubes, Like the pubes
and the hair color didn't match, he didn't rape them,

(51:28):
so and like one had fake tits and so basically
he hates like fake tits, not natural colored hair stuff
like that. So so that changes the profile, Moran says
to over forty, you know, because he probably got into
his psychosexual types when he hit puberty, which happened before

(51:50):
plastic surgery was like so common and dyeing your hair
and whatnot. So that's why his type. I mean, this
is sick for them.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Like they figure that they get to that shit real quick,
like they're like, okay, never mind, move the age up,
like they know everything about.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
This guy suddenly, yeah, just because he like likes the natural.
But yeah, so this also means he's been doing it
forever and he's been studying, and I bet he's like
a true crime like junkie. And then Munch comes in
with some DNA. So basically there's like three people with
DNA that is shared with whoever this person is. So

(52:28):
they go to one guy. He's yelling about child support
and then he does have a brother, but the brother
is dead so it can't be him. So then Munch
also obviously does not like this. It's an invasion of privacy.
We're bothering people, and Finn keeps saying there's six dead women.
I don't give a shit. So then Victor and Stable
are harassing a woman and she doesn't want to talk
to the cops. But she has four brothers. She doesn't

(52:48):
know where they are. Two are in school, one works
for the airline, and one lives down south.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So they also just fully bullied her, and we're like,
tell us or we'll arrest you, like they just they.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Really like or not being good cops here. No, And
then someone in jail is also related to him, but
he's like, well, for fifty dollars if you want info,
fifty dollars, I need money in here, and Craige goes, damn,
you're gonna like sell out your brother for fifty bucks,
and he goes, well, if I thought he did it,
I wouldn't do that. But I know he did it,
so give me my fifty dollars. And then basically his brother,

(53:21):
Tyrese is an active duty military. He's in Afghanistan. It's confirmed,
and so he didn't Yeah, he got fifty bucks, so
I'm happy for him. And the dead guy is confirmed
as well, so it has to be one of these brothers.
There are crow brothers. There's Mark or Currow who works
for the airlines, Luke and North Carolina Farmer, and then
the two others are not in school, ones in rehab
and the other like, we can't find him, so we're like,

(53:44):
it was probably this airline guy. We see the picture
and then we realize. The squad realizes that in every
crime scene photo there's fresh luggage in the photo. There
is luggage in the corner of every single like of
the crime scenes. And then they look in and some
of the women had just come back from a trip.
So then I look what he does for the airlines.

(54:06):
He is a delivery man and he returns lost luggage.
That's how he gets in. It's so crazy, Like my
friend just moved into a new apartment and she doesn't
have curtains yet and it faces another building which is
like and a lot of people don't have curtains, And
I was being like, do not always turn off your
lights when you leave? Keep them guessing, like leave lights on?

(54:28):
Don't always know, Like so no one knows your schedule,
Like no one can know your schedule and she's like,
you need to you need to stop. You need to
watch less, you need to watch less. And now in
this moment, it's like, yeah, like I would never allow
an airline person into your apartment. No, I'll teck me

(54:50):
when you get here.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I'll meet you on the street, Like yeah, I mean no,
we're not doing coming into my house.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
This is like the scariest fucking thing and it could
be anyone. Oh my god. So okay, so this has
me scared forever. Okay, he and then he is delivering
things right now, he has a new victim. Like it's scary,
it's upsetting, like he is in action. We need to
fucking get to him. So he locks the door, he

(55:17):
wheels it in, and she's like, oh yeah, put it
in the bedroom.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
What She just walks in, turns her back on a
stranger who's behind her, like crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
And says, go put my suitcase into my bedroom. So
he locks the door, he wheels it in. He's he's casual,
he's having fun, casual chats like blah blah blah. She's blonde.
He looks sneaky. He starts the attack and then Stable
has him right away. The blonde woman's an undercover cop. Yeah,
not a real victim, think fucking god, holy shit, you're done, bitch.

(55:51):
They find everything they need in his van, everything he
needs for the crime, and on his sheet all the
female names are circled. He is awful. He is smirking.
Maran like leaps at him and the dude flinches, but
still the six smile, confidence silent. He knows not to
talk to the cops. Maran of course, calls him a
son of a bitch. And this dude is creepy. His

(56:13):
name is Nelson Vesquez. He hasn't acted in like fifteen years,
but what a performance like that? Or yeah, what a
fucking freak. They have him in cement room bars. He's
playing the game. He knows. He oh, I don't know
these women. I don't I love women. Anyone that knows
me would tell you that I love women. And then
Maran ice cold, anybody that knows the real you is dead,

(56:33):
and you know he's an asshole. He's playing games like oh,
I feel bad for their families, and they're like ah, there,
and then they start talking, right, they're trying to get
is like dick hard, which is like a common threat. Yes,
so they're like, ah, yeah, you like the hunt. The
only time you feel excitement in your life, the only

(56:53):
time you feel anything is that moment right before. And
then she rejects you, and you get raged and punched people,
and then they're helpless and bleeding and you tie them
up and then he's like licking his lips and he's like,
and that's when you know you can have him for
as long as you want. And then they go, and
then you look up at what you've done and you're

(57:14):
pumped with power. You're so proud and you show it
off with the poses and he goes, you don't know me,
and then Stabler says, well, we will because we're searching
your apartment. His face falls. We're going through your private things.
How do you like that, mister Akurro And he says
he wants a lawyer now, So shit's getting serious. Finn
and Muncher at the house. It is clean, clean, clean

(57:37):
as hell, and a lot of creepy books about forensics,
transcripts from serial killer courtroom, Like, I don't know, I
always like, I always want to be the person for
this podcast that like reads the court documents and the
FBI reports, and it's like I'm just too I don't know, phone,
but honey, they're hard to read. I don't know how.

(57:59):
I don't know how these lawyers do it. I don't know.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I don't, I truly don't.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
As someone, my parents used to always be like, you're
gonna be a lawyer when you grow up because you
have to argue, and I'm like, no, not once I
see what they have to do, like I can't, that's
too much.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
The reading the cases. The font.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
It's the font honestly of the court cases that I'm like, immediately,
this is I can't read it, like it's not going
into my eyes.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
It's so bad. But yeah, So then Munch is so smart.
He sees three frames hanging in this clean, clean, very
precise home, but the wires are crossed at the top
at the nail where they're hanging, and he goes, I'm sorry,
like there's no fucking way it would be crooked, and
he would allow that if it wasn't for a reason,
they flipped the art over. It goes from bridges to bound,

(58:46):
tied and gagged women. Okay, So now Jerry Ryan is
his lawyer, and of course it's like poor and is legal.
You can have porn. You can't connect the magazines to
the crime. They're like, hello, pubes match, there's a link, babe,
and cabots this ponytail. She's killing it and Petrovsky does not.
She's like, how the six cases are one case? Like

(59:06):
what are we doing here? But it applies. It works,
like if you're guilty of one, you're guilty of all six.
That's what they're saying, like they're so identical. And Jerry
Ryan's like, listen, you know he used the bathroom. It
happens pubes fly and it's like, okay, he went to
the bathroom. There's not one print, but his pubes are everywhere,
and she's quick, my client doesn't wash his hands all right?

(59:28):
Then they fight back and forth, what's like, what is
gonna happen? And Petrovsky does not like how cocky Jernaly
Ryan is being like that the case won't go to trial,
and she goes, how about an alibi? How about that?
So the time of Casey's murder, there's a witness, the
mom and the whole Bridge club that says that he
was at her house and so if he didn't do
this one, he didn't do all six isn't that what

(59:50):
you said? Blah blah blah. He grins evilly and like
she has to dismiss the case and it sucks, so
we hate him. Stabler and Victor go talk to his
mom and she works in a coffee and she's like,
oh my god, I know it's about Mark. I'm sorry
to say my son was with me. I know he
belongs in prison. I've known this for a long time.
She's like, he called me out of the blue, wanting
to come over and there, and you know, she doesn't

(01:00:13):
like to be alone with him because he's so scary,
so she invited her bridge club over so she didn't
have to hang out with him because he's tied a
cat to a bust. Once he dropped another from a
six floor walk up. She goes, he is a mistake
mine or God's and she says he wouldn't leave and
she said, like, ugh, it pains her, and he stayed
the whole day and she's like, just wanted him to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
She's like, he knows I don't like him, like he
why was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
He coming over?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
He knows I hate him?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Like uh, And so that means he planned this, so
like he plans everything he like learns, he reads, he's
all the books, Like, what's going on? Something's going on?
How can they get this guy? So we only know
how she died because of Warner's d comp So like
what if the hours are wrong? Like what if there's
a mistake there? But Melinda doesn't make mistakes? So they're like,

(01:01:00):
can can the decomposition have happened more rapidly? So they're brainstorming,
brains storming, like how could they have gotten like how
could he have fucked with the decomp and the timing
and the alibi? They they know it's him and then
their fate. Oh my god, the Kiln. She did ceramics,
Casey did ceramics. What if the Kiln was used to
do this? And I love a Kiln centric storyline. I

(01:01:22):
don't know if I'm also should I not be doing
the l Kiln? No?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
The reason this pocus, Yeah, the reason I suggested this
episode is because my friend Jackie, who does ceramics, and
the time I see her, she goes, when are you
guys gonna do the Kiln episode?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, we gotta do that one.
So I put it on the list. Yeah to me,
it says I forgot about the kiln, you know, like
that's yeah, that's for her, probably sticks out as a memory.
For me, it's, oh my god, this is the this
is fucked, this is so fucked. Yeah. So they go
back in there to do some and they're like, oh
my god, the window is open, so what is going

(01:01:59):
on here? And Cragan's like, but we weren't even onto him,
Like how would he have known that this alibi was
going to be needed in the window and the kiln?
And he's like, well, he studies other cases, Like he
was just prepared if he ever made a mistake. This
is like his fucking life, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And so but also how could he have how could
he have found a victim with a kiln in her apartment,
like when he has to go to people that have
luggage that he's delivered, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I think it was random and it was like an opportunity.
It was like a chance of oppotunety of like oh fuck.
But maybe he was always doing alibi, like we don't
know what his journey has been. But also I was thinking,
like he circled all the women's names, like how does
he have to do a lot of deliveries in a
date is he always do the last one? Does he
look them up online? Like how does he choose? Is

(01:02:48):
it in the moment? And then like how do you
get the other ones? Or are you allowed to be late?
Like I was, I am curious about like the scheduling
of it as well. But anyways, so ugh so, but
thrown out for one murder, it means walks on all
there's no prince in the kiln? Like, how do we
prove it? And Finn has an answer. The power company
just confirmed that Casey Chapman's killawa hours doubled the day

(01:03:10):
of her murder, So fuck you, alibi. He was with
the mom on Sunday, killed her on Monday and then
thought he got away with it, and so what we
got him? So they go to the suitcase area in
a rush and the guy goes what terrorism and they're
like no, we're looking for Mark and so then he's
making deliveries. Now, okay, let's say this guy was found

(01:03:30):
not guilty. Like he's not even suspended for a week.
I know, he doesn't miss a day of work, not
even an internal investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
They've tailed people for way less. This is a fucking
serial killer. Had they've kept off uniformed officers on guys
before like, it is kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I definitely clogged that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
So they got to get to him. Faster's twelve women
on the list, so they're trying to call him. He's
not answering. They need to get to the women. Blondeberd
and then they realized the order of the magazine art
on his wall was blonde, brunette, redhead, blonde brunette, redhead,
So who's a redhead? We need to find a redhead.
So like Finn's looking up the women and then we
have a redhead. And then so they catch a mid attack.
She's crying, oh my god, can you believe the luck?

(01:04:13):
Hopefully this is you know, before she's glued and so
she's tied and naked, and Stabler covers her with a
suit jacket and says, you're safe. Now what a gentleman,
I tie her. Okay, but Moran starts like I would
be so uncomfortable, like I just, oh my god, I'd
be like, you can truly look in my pussy untimey,

(01:04:33):
like untimy, Oh my god, I just do not like
restraints in that way. Stress trust, stressful. So okay, So yeah,
she's got Moran starts beating the ship of this guy
and Stable's like, can you please stop? We cannot, like
we need him in jail. So then okay, we got
the guy. We got the guy. So now Stabler and

(01:04:54):
Miran meet at the hospital Joys and surgery, and Miran goes,
that's a good thing. And so the good news and
a cura, you know, they talked and Racurro did confess,
and he confessed to other crimes in the Dominican Republic,
so it's a global serial killer. And then all of
a sudden, Stabler realizes these organs are being taken out,
they're being donated. His daughter is gone, so this is sad.

(01:05:16):
So Stabler's like, this is sad, so but it is
a good thing to help others. And I get that
a second chance. Everyone needs one. Moran walks off with
tears in his eyes. We want the best for him.
And then Stabler watches him go, you know, like touch
his daughter who's under a sheet, and he's haunted. And
then the credits roll and that is Dick.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Who it is a dark one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I mean, he blames he blames the serial killer also
for what happened to his wife and kid, right, because
he was. He was out working on the case, and
that's when his wife got pissed and got in the
car and they got into the accident. Right, So that's
kind of why he does the like I care about
this case more than you bullshit. But it's still crazy
to be like, no one else can solve it a

(01:06:00):
except for me. It's like a level of hubris that's
hopefully now meeting Stabler, he's learned his lesson. But of
course I don't think we ever see him back. I
don't think Victor Marin ever comes back for like another collab.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
No, no, he doesn't. But he works, he's working, he's working.
I like, yes, okay, let's get into this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
There were a few crimes like listed as what this
could be about. I didn't really think some of the
other ones fit some of them. One of them was
about like a guy who was a serial killer I
believe in the Chicago area. But he had like a
he had like a forced confession from the cops, which
I think is more along the storyline of what happened
to the guy that Peanut kicked the shit out of.
So I'm not really focusing on that one for today.

(01:06:48):
I'm going to focus on Francisco Dea cis Pereira, the
Park Maniac. I will start by saying, this man is Brazilian.
These crimes took place in Brazil, and it is extremely
hard to find any English resources about this case. So
I watched a four part Amazon Prime series called The
Park Maniac colon the Untold Story. It's all the people

(01:07:12):
that it was produced in Portuguese. But then when I'm
watching it, I'm hearing the English dubbing. They've literally hired
a different actor for every person. It feels like AI
did the voice over. The translations are bad, the words
are like wrong to the subtitles. At times, it seems
like some of the vo people are like laughing when

(01:07:33):
they're saying something serious, like they're being like and then
they found a dead body and you're like, oh my god, why.
It's just it's a wild experience to watch, like a
docu series that you could tell if you were watching
it in Portuguese is probably very well done and serious
and it's modern. I think it came out in like
twenty twenty one, but the vo of it all, it's like,
oh my god, this is it was like making my

(01:07:54):
head spin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
So I'm going with what I could find on this case.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
It's not it's not insanely similar, but I can kind
of see where people think that this is drawn from.
But so this all takes place in South Powlo, Brazil,
which in the late nineties, I guess, there was like
an epidemic of violence, like fifteen homicides a day, like
it's just really a brutal time in that city. On

(01:08:19):
July fourth of nineteen ninety eight, two young female victims
are discovered in a state park that's literally just called
Parque Dostado, which is you know, means state park outside
of South Parlo, Paolo. It's or it's on the outskirts
of South Parlow and it's not a very trafficked park,
Like it's very dense. There's hiking trails, but you really
have to know your way around to get in and

(01:08:39):
out of there. They say, they start searching more areas
of the woods, they find more bodies, and a couple
of the bodies that they found had just been killed,
and then they found other bodies of people who had
been killed months earlier. So this is obviously somebody's like
dumping spot. One of the victims was Selma Ferreira Kia
spot just reminds me of Decks. Sure, I know, Oh yeah,

(01:09:01):
I can't think of anything. Oh the New Dexters are
you watching? I haven't got a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I watched two or three. I just can't. It's not
the actor that plays Young Angel is doing an incredible job.
It is on point, Christian slan Christian Slater. I I
just am not feeling and I'm realiter in it, like

(01:09:27):
young right, the young dad, like Dexter's dad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
That's really but he's alive, not coming to him in dreams, which.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, so the whole thing is like Dexter is a
teen Okay, Dexter's a teen boy, and it's like and
the sister, they're in high school or college.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
They're in college. He's in med school when it starts. Okay,
so I forget when the dad died. Is the dad
is Christian Slater alive or like ghosty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
No, no, a lot. He's alive. Father. They're both at
the police station right now together, like you see the
origin and why he's try why he started bringing donuts
like you kind of like seeah, so you're like he's
in his twenties, he's trying to get it together, like
he thought med school and like cutting people open would
make him feel better, and it's not. And so it's

(01:10:13):
his first kill. It's that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
So it's like that's where we're at. Okay, I might
still give it a spin, but I would love for
you to give it a spin. And so the Ghost Angel,
there's no, it's a narrator. So Michael Sea Hall is
the narrator. Uh huh, that's how he's still involved, gotcha, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, let me let us know how you feel. I
just have was not I'm not, and I'm a Dexter fanatic. Well,
I thought they did a pretty good job with the
I love new Blood, the new Blood, yeah, loved it,
Like yeah, I wish it was continued with that young
man and then Dexter's ghost dad or whatnot. And then

(01:10:58):
like I don't know why that's not what it is true.
I was into that kid. I like the park Ranger woman,
like yeah, that villain that was so good. Like the story.
I like loved new Blood. That's why I was, you know,
that's why it's like upset.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, Well, back to our little Brazilian Dexter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Oh but you meet young like the Emmy like like
the perverse the perverse, Like it's like a young pervert.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
I love that. That's why I want to see it.
I also kind of want to see what new young
deb is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Like a young Angel is a I mean he well,
it's such I don't want to say impersonation because that's
like really it's like truly mannerisms, language cadence, like kills it. Yeah,
I'm impressed. Yeah, and the wardrobe of like the Young
Angel is really impressive. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Famously Old Angel married to Liza Colonzias from The Bear
All These Connects, who was also in the SVU. Okay,
so they're finding all these bodies. One of the victims
is Selma Ferrera Kiros, who was an eighteen year old
whose family had been searching for her since she had
gone missing like the day before, and they had actually
received they had paged her and then they got calls

(01:12:23):
back from a person that was like I need this
much money to give her back to you, and they
were like, let us talk to her, and he was
like no, and then he would hang up and he
would call back, but then he just they stopped hearing
from him. So she was one of the victims they
found it was very hard to find a comprehensive list
of all the victims, like of all nine of them.
But another victim was Rosa Alves Netta, who was twenty one.

(01:12:45):
Raquel Mota Rodriguez, twenty three, was found separately in the
park months earlier. They didn't connect it as a you
want to talk about the cops fucking up, they didn't.
There's cop fuck ups all over this. They didn't connect
this death to these other deaths immediately because even though
she was found in her underwear, face down in the dirt,

(01:13:07):
the coroner said her death was from natural causes. So
she was just in the in the woods, you know, naked,
and ended up with her face in the dirt.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
She had, you know, a natural death that way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
So Raquel's cousin got a call from Raquel saying, Oh,
I met this guy named Chico. He's gonna he's actually
a talent scout. He's gonna take pictures of me for modeling.
And her cousin's like, don't do that. But she went
and then other women came forward after saying that they'd
run in you know that happened with my best friends
to DM. This was Chicago days, so you know, pre

(01:13:40):
twenty fourteen. But like someone was like, I want to
take photos of you, so we went. We met in
a public but but I went with her to watch.
So I just like stood on the side and was watching.
So nothing like that. I'm glad you went, Jesus. But
like a lot of women came forward saying, oh, yes,
I've had a run in with this guy who also
approached me and said he was a modeling scout, blah

(01:14:01):
blah blah to a few. Other victims were Michelle Dos
Santos Martinez aged twenty e Los Angelo Francisco da Silva
twenty one, Patricia Gonsalvez Marino, twenty four and so all
these bodies in this remote park were like, oh, yeah,
there's a serial killer on the loose. And so a
Brazilian magazine called Veja broke the story and they started

(01:14:24):
calling the killer the park maniac or the State park
maniac or also he had the nickname Modo Boy. All
the bodies were naked, lying face down with their legs spread,
so similar from the episode in the sense that it's
a lot of bodies, it's a lot of women the
same age, same profile, and that they were sort of
posed after death.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
There was no butthole glue. They were not hogtied.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
It was not quite as a graphic, but still horrific.
Police subsequently added those other victims that they had found
in that area in January in May of the same year,
so the total bodies found in the park was eight
eight bodies. Police investigating spoke to many women who had
a similar account of you know, talking to this modeling

(01:15:07):
scout and wanting to take their photo.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
So by mid July, between all the witness sketches and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
An anonymous tip, police began searching for Francisco dea sis Pereira,
who was a thirty one year old motorcycle courier, hence
the moto boy nickname.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
That's why he got that nickname.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
So they're looking for him in Brazil frantically for like
three weeks, and then on August fourth, nineteen ninety eight,
he was arrested, I guess on the border of like
Brazil Argentina. When they arrest him, he is wearing a
Boston Bruins hockey jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
After his arrest, he's almost lynched by a mob of
two hundred, which is seems like a peanut reference as
authorities transported him to a maximum security prison, they said
that obviously he was going to be held in solitary
confinement because he would have definitely been killed by other
prisoners if he'd been allowed in gen Pop. He had
also briefly gone to Argentina and passed through several police

(01:16:04):
checkpoints without being recognized at all, even though his picture's
out there, there's this man hunt for him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
He's going through checkpoints, no one's noticing him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
It's like we hear this about this all the time,
like the Yorkshire Ripper, Like he was brought in like
five times for questioning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
They never got they never know was him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Police found also eventually linked him conclusively to the victims,
in that they found a partially burned ID card in
a clog toilet at his job, and it is the
ID card of Selma Ferrera Cairos, who was one of
his victims, and so he had tried to like flush
a bunch of like evidence down the toilet. Perea initially

(01:16:41):
denied being a murderer and told them you have to
prove it, and then that phrase became like a headline
on all these papers in Brazil, like you got to
prove it, but then literally like the three days later,
after he was arrested on August seventh, he confessed to
killing nine women. They eight from the park, as well
as nineteen year old is Adora Frankel who had gone missing.

(01:17:04):
And don't worry, he had actually been picked up as
a suspect in her disappearance because he had forged checks
from her. And he literally went into police precincts like
a handful of times to talk about this girl's disappearance.
And he just told them, oh, yeah, like we dated,
That's why I had the checks, and they believed him,
and off he went, and he's like the one that
killed her. And so after he was arrested, he led

(01:17:26):
them to her remains. And her dad had been very
vocal in the press being like, help find my daughter.
Where like she was more a lot of the other
women were not from She was from more of a
middle to upper class background, so her father had more
connections and like was on the TV constantly being like,
help me find Isidora, Like this is not like her,

(01:17:46):
blah blah blah. And she had gone to South Pallo
to take a course to become a flight attendant. So
I don't know if that's connected at all to the
baggage man. But like they had been looking for her
for months, and they had the guy was coming in
to talk to them all the time. So after his arrest, Yeah,
he led to her remains and he had doused her

(01:18:06):
body in gasoline and burned it three days after he
had murdered her, So similar to that, I mean, but
not while she was alive.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
As far as I read, it was a post.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Mortem burning, so that's at least like a silver lining
for the victim. He also told them there was a
tenth body of a fifteen year old girl and tried
to like lead them to it, but he couldn't find it.
And he testified about each killing in detail and said
he may have lost count of how.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Many women that he killed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
So that same magazine, Veja ran a cover story that
was with the with the headline it was me, and
they somehow had all these transcripts of his conversations with
his lawyer and his police and police, and everyone's like,
that's weird. How did this magazine get all this information?
So it felt like it was a leak or someone

(01:18:52):
in there was talking to the magazine. But that was
apparently that magazine was like sold out. This story was
like rocking Sapaolo, Like everyone is wanting to read about
this guy. He confessed to using shoelaces to strangle his
victims after sexually assaulting them. He targeted women between the
ages of eighteen and twenty four. He was apparently from

(01:19:12):
the Ted Bundy school. He was very charming. He got
girls to trust him very quickly. He complimented them on
their looks and how they're going to be beautiful models.
One day and a few victims that are in this
documentary that I watched, they managed to escape him and
like a bunch some of them were like I was
in the woods with him, like we got there, and

(01:19:33):
they all say that he transformed from this nice, charming
guy into a monster, like as soon as he got
into the woods, like he just like fully was juckal
and Hyde when he got into the woods. One woman
who was named Sandra Alivera, she was nineteen when he,
you know, did this model thing. Got her to the
woods and she was like he had me on the

(01:19:55):
ground and was pulling my pants down and was like
about to rape me, and I told him I had
HIV and that saved her because he ended up just
tying her to a tree naked and leaving her there,
and she went to the cops, and she went to
the press, but like nothing came of it. And like
a lot of what they were saying too, is that
at the beginning, when these women escaped him, they were

(01:20:16):
going to their local precincts and the city's so huge,
they're not all talking to each other. So maybe that's
also where some of the like, you know, Delroy Lindo's
character versus Stabler, like they're not communicating the right way.
Otherwise they would have connected a lot earlier. That this
was like a fucking cereal And so apparently, yes, once
he lured them into the state park, he became really violent, biting, strangling,

(01:20:38):
mutilating the victims, and he told authorities that he was
about to start eating his victims if his six month
killing spree hadn't come to an end, like he was like,
my next move was to start cannibalizing. So crazy, he
told a judge Jose ruy borgas Borgos, I was possessed
by an evil force. Quote he said he had a

(01:21:02):
Jekyl and Hide thing going on and that the bad
side took over. He said quote, I am a person
with a good and bad personality. Sometimes I am not
able to dominate this dark side. I pray, I pray,
but I cannot resist. And then I chase after women.
I wish that they would not go with me into
the park, that they would run away. End quote. His
lawyers went for an insanity defense, hoping for a lighter

(01:21:23):
sentence than the thirty years in prison, which is the
maximum maximum sentence under Brazilian law, and one of his lawyers,
Maria Elisa Muonhaals, told reporters, my client is guilty, but
my client is sick. And then like some background on him.
As a child, he was molested by a family member,
a female family member, and then as a young man

(01:21:44):
he was apparently coerced into homosexual relationships. Again, this is
like a lot of this stuff is very hard to find.
I found some of this on the Wikipedia entry for him,
and it's like not credited, but like there is barely
anything in English about this and so and then apparently
what it says at one point a quote unquote goth
Man tried to rip Francisco's penis off, and so he

(01:22:06):
had a fear of losing his penis as well as
pain during sexual activity from that that encounter. So I
don't know if that's what turned him into this person.
I'm sure the trauma also of the of the being
molested as a young child was contributed to that. He
had also previously been accused of rape. In the documentary

(01:22:27):
they talked about a woman that he had tried to
sexually assault and he was under suspicion for the you
know Isidora disappearance. But also a lot of the women
who escaped this guy said they reported it to the police,
and the police barely paid attention. They said, they got
a lot of well what were you wearing? What is
this what you were wearing? Is this what you look like?
Like a lot of that very old school, I hope

(01:22:51):
way of talking about victims. And then again, like I
said before, the police precincts are not integrated and as
connected as they are today, I guess, and so a
lot of the information like just did not get passed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
And so the sky was at it for six months.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
On December eighteenth, Okay, so he does go to jail.
He goes to a psychiatric prison facility. On December eighteenth,
two thousand, a bunch of inmates tried to kill him
during a prison riot. Four inmates died, but he did
survive and they moved him to another psychiatric facility. He
did get the maximum sentence, but guys, the maximum sentence

(01:23:28):
in Brazil is thirty years and he's been in jail
since ninety eight, which means he's getting out in twenty
twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
In three years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Oh, how is he going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
He'll be sixty one. It's not even that old. No,
he can still commit crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I gotta keep him in or I gotta do something supervised,
probate as some I can't even believe this guy's getting out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I know, I don't know what, Like, that's just their deal,
Like thirty years is what you do, so like, and
he was thirty one when he committed the crime, so
he'll be yeah, early sixties, so yiker. Anyway, if you
want to see something truly bizarre, please go watch this
Amazon doc and listen to all these people's voices, because
you're like, you're watching the people speak and you're like,

(01:24:11):
this looks like a normal person that's probably giving a
very thoughtful account of what happened, and then the voiceover
does not match it. At all, like it's all very crazy,
but seems like it's one of the wildest crime cereals
that Brazil has seen. So definitely a huge case there.
And I don't know why we have not been more.

(01:24:33):
I feel like we do focus on crimes in other countries,
but maybe because so much of the reporting was not
in English. I think we're very obsessed with like British
killers as well in other English speaking countries, but Canada,
a lot of Canada, but we don't get as much
of the Brazil coverage anyway. That is the story of
Francisco deaces Perira. No butt glue but a pretty horrific killer.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
I can't believe he's gonna get out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Nuts. Well, I guess we'll tell you what we've learned,
which is no one will ever return my suitcase. However,
I'll come to the airport. Thinks, yeah, you could just
hold it, think you yes? And also never go with
a modeling scout to a second location. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
But yeah, we'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Let's do a post mortem. So no guests today, so
we can just dive right into our post mortem. But
I did want to point out we did not mention
in this episode that Marishka's not in it, and according
to the factoids, it's because she got a lung injury
doing Wildlife, which was the episode before. So you know,

(01:25:45):
our queen was down and out, uh, and that's why
she's not in this episode. That's why they brought into
I guess that's why they brought into No, they obviously
knew Delroy Lindo was coming in or they didn't bring
him in like a pinch hitter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
But yeah, but like I'm trying to think of that
episode and what could have happened to her line? You know,
it's kind of like one of those have you seen
the trend where they'll show an artist, like a like
a musician, like dancing crazy and they're like, there is
no song, but this person has to be moving like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
And that's how I feel with this. It's like, Mushka,
what did you what happened? I know, I'm like, when
you that's always the episode for me? Are you ready
for me?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Daddy?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
That's always that episode?

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
So I don't think that any of that, Uh, snuggling
with Maloney topless gave her a lung injury?

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Did she wrestle to get a gibbet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Oh there's a whole scene where they're running after the
different animal guys and like sacking them, aren't they Maybe
it was that because they're like, yeah, like all the
guys that are you know, trading tigers and gibbons and
all that. Anyway, that's wildlife. This is baggage. What a
fucking terrifying episode.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
This is one of the worst of their I would
put this on top with charisma, like, but for me,
these are always worse because I can see myself, like
I know that I'm not gonna be in a religious
child's pregnation incest cult, like I'm past my prime, Like
I don't. I don't think that's gonna happen for me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah, you aged out on a child cult.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I'm sorry to say, yeah, but but this is like
these are my number one fears being tortured by a man,
and no worry out like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Yeah yeah, really yeah, it's it's it's really awful.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I mean, like there are some episodes that are truly
this isn't haunt, This isn't the Haunting Hall of Fame,
Like this is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Awful, Like and they zoom in. They want you haunted.
They want to haunt it. They zoom in on her
open eyelids, they zoom in on the bruises, the and
just the tying. I'm kind of like we should check
the motive of them who wrote this, Like no one
needed to be tied that that accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Glued buttholes like the hog time we've seen before. The
glued oles were like a new level. But listen, they
also very much skimped over. Like why the guy like
he we get he's like a psycho, he's always been
like that, his mom doesn't like him or whatever, but like,
was he abused?

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Like what makes him?

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Also he's obsessed with them being natural, Like he doesn't
even attack the he doesn't even sexually assault the ones
that are have dyed hair or fake boobs or anything.
What's that company? He never says any of that in
his like tit for tat with the cops.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
It felt like there were some unanswered questions about this
fucking guy's pathology.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But well, yeah, because they work together, we would have
gotten more pathology if Maloney didn't go, ah, yeah, you're
not the only guy who's been to Quantico.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
It's like, okay, cool and story bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I mean The lesson is also like, why would you
ever let a baggage delivery person come into your house
and turn your back on that and let them go
into your bedroom with a bag? No?

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Uh, I think you need to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
No, but even like downstairs, like like but SV is
eventually going to ruin my life fully, but like actually,
but I did love how this worked out. So I'm walking,
I'm doing other things. I get a call and it's
Amazon and the dude's just like yo, no, one's answering, like,
I have your package. I go fuck. I'm like I

(01:29:25):
could be there in fifteen minutes. He goes, all right,
I'll be on the block, like you'll you can get
your package. So then I get it and he goes,
I have another. He goes, which one's yours? I tell
him my full address. Now he's looking at me and
he knows my apartment. He knows yeah yeah, And immediately
I go, uh oh baggage, like I did? I go
because then he goes, wait, I have another package for

(01:29:46):
your building. Will you take it for me? And I
go yeah. So then like I he scans stuff. I go,
thank you so much for call. What was the package
that I couldn't wait? For beads. You're gonna get murder
for bees. It's like I gotta make well because I'm yeah,
so beides. I'm surprised they called you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
When did they call? They never call me. I mean
I have a porch. They just like leave it there.
I guess, yeah, no one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
But the thing is, I you know, I'm kind of
like my building is resident buzzer in like I am home.
Like when I'm home, they know I'll buzzem in, so
like yeah, because I usually I do have something whether
it's like I don't know right now, I don't know,
like for I'm just home and they usually buzz for me.
I get everyone's packages into this building. I don't think
they know how much? What is it? Uh an? What

(01:30:37):
does what do they say about stay at home moms?
Unpaid labor, yes, unpaid labor yep, the mental load. I
am buzzing this building in. No. I think it's like
annoying for them to have to redo it. Maybe they
I mean, I'm sure they get punished like they're working
for an evil lord. Like so I'm sure like if
they have to go back or it goes back to
the warehouse, like it's just like a nightmare for them,

(01:30:58):
so they would rather be like where Yeah that makes sense,
And I happened to be close to enough and I'm
happy to I hope I help end their day early,
like I don't know, yeah, but be but yeah, just
be careful everybody like but yeah, so like him like now, no,
I mean he was like a young man. I don't
think he's gonna like come in here. But immediately I'm

(01:31:18):
like standing with my package as he takes a photo
to send to Amazon with my full address as like
a confirmation of delivery. I'm like, ah, like it's so crazy,
got it? Call me? You know my name, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
My number, you know my address.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I'm also not signing my Luigi letters with my full name,
just my initials. But it's like the prison has my
full address, like if they want, you know what I mean, Yeah,
oh my gosh. All right, well but yeah, wild one,
a wild one. Hope you guys can sleep okay. After
watching Baggage, I mean, now I understand the people that

(01:32:00):
just listen to us talk about it and not Yeah,
this one was I mean, this was another one where
the real crime is fucked up too. I mean, how
many people did he fucking torture and kill, Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
This one actually made me google why do some people
die with their eyes open? Because like the women in
this were like and what is it? It was literally
like sometimes the muscles relax or something like that, like
after you die, after you go into like a certain
kind of like rigor or whatever. But yeah, like, how
come sometimes people are dead like this and sometimes their

(01:32:31):
eyes are wide open?

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Like it was?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
It was not clear to me, but I think I
was just sort of scamming an AI response.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
I need to look more deeply into it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
That's how much I was, Like, Wow, Svu, you really
zoomed in on those glassy dead eyes, Like sure you
didn't want to give us at a little glance at
the buttthole too, Like why didn't you just show us that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Like will you imagine this show not on network television?

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Yeah, it would be like watching the movie or something
like every week, like it would be oh boy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
But let's uh, we can. We can move on to
our what would Sister Peg do?

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
That's our weekly segment where we direct you guys towards
usually an article, a book, a documentary, an organization, something
that ends more involved with what we talked about in
today's episode, but I thought it would be appropriate this
week to point you towards a directory of displaced Black
families from the fires. It's a directory of their gofundmes.

(01:33:33):
There are obviously countless families who are in need of
help and aftermouth of the fires, but it's been pointed
out that a lot of gofundmes for people of color
are slower to gain traction to meet their goals. So
I would love if you guys are feeling like the
urge to help people out in California, if you could
take a look at this list. A lot of them
are listed by how complete they are, so you can
just go and check and you can help some of

(01:33:54):
these Because just to be clear, Alta Dina, where one
of the fires is, is the closest to me, and
I know many people who live there, and it's also
a historically black community, and so a lot of people
that have lived there for decades have lost their homes,
and so I would love for you guys to check
out the link to donate, and those are going to
be obviously in our show notes. We'll post those on

(01:34:15):
our Instagram and then the Instagram story will live Forever
in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page. We also
no doubt you have heard of the firefighters who have
been like absolute fucking godlike heroes in this whole situation,
and many of them are incarcerated men who are fighting

(01:34:36):
against these fires for the rumor is five dollars a day.
We wanted to point people to the Anti Recidivism Coalition,
specifically the ARC Firefighter Fund. There are nearly a thousand
incarcerated firefighters currently fighting these fires in La so this
is part of a voluntary program they do with the
California Department of Corrections. These men and women earn between

(01:34:56):
five dollars and eighty cents to ten dollars twenty first
cents day working in twenty four hour shifts to save
lives like they could be making at max ten bucks
a day. Every dollar donated to the Firefighter Fund goes
towards immediate needs like food and hygiene supplies, fire camp upgrades,
and scholarship funds for when they are released. So you
can also please feel free to donate to Anti Recidivism

(01:35:20):
dot org slash Firefighter Fund and that will also be
in our stories in our show notes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
For your for your viewing. Ease, what am I talking about? Lisa?
Pick pick it up?

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
There's nothing to pick up. You know, as you talk
you just think about Like I look up top, I'm like,
we gotta be hopeful. But in the end, I'm like,
the darkness is so deep.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Yeah, it's been a it's just a wild five ye
just but like yeah, the like the prison system is
a business.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Like it's just like what the fuck? Like it is
just you know, such a deep darkness but a lot
of hopefulness. Yeah. If you can help someone, please this week.
I think it's it's time to do it. Next week,
please join us, we'll be doing Thought Criminal Season fifteen,
episode twenty three. And as always, we're so lucky to

(01:36:16):
have such incredible listeners. And if you've listened all the
way to the end, you're sick, get a life.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
We'll see you next week. Bye.

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