In Loco Parentis w/ Ryann Shane

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
These episodes are based on These are our stories.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
Done done.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast, another episode coming
at you. I'm Liza Traeger and.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm Carol Klank and we hit up classic episodes of SVU,
all episodes of view, not just classic, some actually ones.
Uh wait, what's the one that's the worst that we did?
Some that you should never watch again.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, there was one that we were like, this is
the worst ever. But I think the person that was
with us thought the same thing that we interviewed for it.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Maybe not, Maybe I'm making something up. No, you're right.
We did do one recently, but it's raided.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's like raided bad on b Well, that's the Gamer one,
the Gamer one.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Obviously, I would never talk about the game. No badly.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm talking about the one where it's like her best
friend is raping her with her fingers and dominates.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm thinking it was Eden.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It was when we interviewed eating Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
But I love talking about you all.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
SVU the good, the bad, the ugly, the classic, the
very unclassic, and then we talk about the true crimes and.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We interview a guest.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And but first up top, we chat about whatever and
everything last time we last week.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I care.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
We're not talking about anything besides Taylor and Travis. And
it's crazy, crazy that you would keep Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Everybody is.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm like, I made a list of stuff to talk
about in the intro. JK, it's just gonna be Taylor
and Travis.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
We don't have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
A long time. I mean, I think engagement shoots and
stuff are a corny, but but Taylor is corny, right, Yeah, corny.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I thought it was. I mean I was I couldn't believe.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I just couldn't believe my eyes, to be honest, because
I never thought in a millionaires we would get this
kind of closeness.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
She's like so private. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I was like, for some reason, I felt it coming.
I don't know why. I was like, I feel like, well, yeah,
an American Eagle collab dropped the next day, so yeah,
you know you needed to cover that up. Yeah, perfect timing.
I think it was just like seeing them on that
podcast together.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
But he did it after the podcast, I'll tell you
everything because Ed Kelsey, the father, he did a news radio,
like a Cleveland news radio that day, like two hour
We're like, we'll never know anything, and then two hours
later the dad spilled everything. So while they were podcasting,
people were setting up the florals in his garden. That's
his garden, and they were going to go to dinner,

(02:49):
so they dressed up for dinner. And then he's like, well,
why don't we just have one glass of wine in
the yard.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
We have time, And then Ed.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Kelsey said that the flower the floral people had to
jump in bush because it was like down to the wires.
So they were in the bushes while all this happened.
They were hiding. And yeah, she obviously knew something was
up all those flowers and so romantic.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I just like love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's amazing that you got the scoop from the dad. Wow,
I love that. It's like, once she does my podcast,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Pop the question now because people have been posting you
can see her headphone in dent in her hair in
the pictures.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's something that only swifties would notice. I'm pretending to notice,
Like that app the memes said that, and I was like, yeah,
for sure, I see it, but I don't really see it.
I posted it because I don't even follow Taylor, but
it actually, like, you know, I like Taylor was shocked,
but I was shocked when I saw it. And when
I also saw her post, I was like, this happened

(03:50):
two hours ago? How did it take me so long
to see?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I got evenually two hours I got a text from
my friend who works for Delta, and I couldn't believe
she broke them, And then the text started coming in,
So I wonder when I actually found out, because then
I started getting tons of texts and DM so well.
And I posted on my story going I'm not particularly
invested in this, but this is a great caption, and

(04:13):
people were like, you better not tell Lisa you're not invested.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'm like, I'm not. You think I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Watch the wedding, But that's funny you like the caption
that much that you would repost.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm actually I thought that was cute. I thought it
was cute.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I liked it better than like, I liked it better
than like, I'm oh my god. Today my best friend
asked me to marry him, Like, I mean, I thought
it was like a succinct one emoji, funny, it's totally
who they are. Yeah, are totally an English teacher and
a gym teacher. I thought that was great. Yeah, now
it's getting now it already within a day. I'm like,
maybe I hate it now because it's getting like memed
to shit by other people. But as their announcement, I

(04:46):
thought it was cute and funny.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
You're right, it's cute succint quick.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Actually, well, I.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I never thought I was gonna find this love blah
blah blah write it in a song, bitch like this
is an Instagram caption.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
She did it exactly right.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, So I'm in like full blown dexter Mania right now.
I can't think about anything. I'm rewatching the original in
the past week. I'm on season four, so you know
how my mental state is doing. I'm waking up season
one in a day, so putting it on, putting it
like I can't stop. I like, I can't believe it's
only today. I'm like I needed my new episode of Resurrection,

(05:20):
but but I'm like waiting to rewatch that again. Anyways,
I literally just texted my sister two nights ago, being like,
I need your paramount password.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
She's like, it's on Prime because my sister's saying me too.
Oh your sister's watching yeah super each Oh my god. Okay,
that's it's great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
One of the servers of the Cellar, it's like, for
how popular it is, I really am not finding a
lot of people watching it. It's kind of like I'll
ask an audience in one person's clapping, I'm like, this
is actually a huge It's always number one on the
Prime like yeah, down thing like he's I mean, everyone
loves him. But anyways, the reason I brought it up
is because I watched that episode where he gets married

(05:56):
and his vowels were one sentence. So the dexter tailor
mind melt is happening to me. Yea and yeah one
sentence succinct. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah you like that. What
did you post?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I just I posted. Now what did you post when
you got engaged? Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I posted a picture and I said we decided to
get the government involved, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's cute, okay, okay, quick, good, all right?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Because I didn't have a ring either, you know, so
it's like, you know, like I got. He gave me
this necklace that I love, and like, I you know,
I couldn't just be like a hand placed on a chest,
you know, strategically.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Did you like her ring? I did.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I like that It's obviously giant, but the setting is
like vintage bending, Like yeah, I felt like her delicate empty.
Yeah it's like I said, empty, but that's not what
I meant, but like, yeah, it's it makes it seem
not as ostentatious as it truly is.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's it's like, as of this recording, it's not been
twenty four hours since they announced this. Now people are like,
I can't believe items. This is a plot to get
this is a plot to get more people to watch
the NFL. Or like people are like, but I definitely
think it was good timing to I mean definitely have
a friend that thinks it's like they're getting financially, like

(07:27):
really rewarded for what they are sharing, that it's not authentic,
and I was like, shut up, I think they want
to show us.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
How do I think we need any more money?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
She doesn't, and I do only but she you know,
she knows how to make money, sure, but she doesn't
need to like be giving, like she doesn't need to
traffic in her personal life now, not at all. I'm
disagreeing with the person.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
This person literally release like a freaking her own trash compactor,
and people would buy it.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't know why that just came to my head.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But I will obviously, I will obviously read the Vogue
where she's featured.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I want what she's wearing. I don't think she would
give it to vote. I don't know what she'll do.
I wonder if we'll see him, like we better see
a wedding photo. This gives me hope, but I don't know.
But you know, So there's this billionaire Becca Bloom that
I follow on Instagram and she's getting married tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Okay, we're not we'll record whatever. She's getting married.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Bonaire her dad okay, like a tech Chinese tech company
in ninety went public, came back whatever, like billionaires, billion billion, billions, like,
but she talks like she's just in a town, like
she's just like hey, and this is the van, like
but she is I mean private shopping events like bill
Like I can't.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Her life since Instagram is crazy, But she's been on
Instagram for under nine months, like she's a mass millions
and millions of followers in less than a year.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Everyone's just obsessed, and I am one of them, sadly.
But she's getting married on a Thursday, and rich people
just get married on weekdays, and I want to know more.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, it is kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I just have heard of other people where's like they
got married on a Tuesday, and I just and I
guess days don't matter.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
But don't they like I don't, does no one Well, if.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
You have regular friends who need to get time off
work to come to your wedding, there's no why right
out of a weekend. Huh they don't have regular friends.
I don't think sure, I'm just like I mean, and
also like I've always heard, even on a Friday, Sunday
is cheaper. Like I've been to a wedding and I
was like, why is it on a Sunday? And it
was like, oh, it's cheaper.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, yeah, for sure, but these billionaires don't care about
this wedding is for sure going to be at least
half I mean, millions, millions of dollars. I saw the infights.
I'm she's posting about the houses and dressed like that.
The houses that they looked at, but like why they
didn't work out for them? And it's like the most
it's truly like Versailles. It's like Versailles style sizes and

(09:58):
that's their house like shopping.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
This girl about to have a freaking reality show or what.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
No, no, no, and she takes no endorsements. Oh no, no, no,
she doesn't need it. She has a finance job. She
got on to dump down finance. Like her thing was
she thinks men over complicated and things are quite simple.
So it started with her like giving finance tips. And
quickly it was like, well, me, I wanted this necklace,

(10:28):
but Van Kleef only sells one type of necklace per household,
and me and my sister like to match.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
But they sent it to me.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
For my wedding like that, Like yeah, it's like that
kind of a vibe. It's last week we talked about
some here up, some here down, and a lot of
people have weighed in on what they call some here up,
some here down. Okay, I need a shorter way tell us, Yeah,

(10:55):
So here are some of the ones I've gotten. So
a bunch of people have said half pony that they
call it a half pony Okay, half pony, I guess
makes sense because only half your hair is in it.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
A Samantha someone said they called it because that's how
this girl, the American girl Samantha wore her.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Hair so great.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
But the one we got the most was Pollyanna. They
called it a Pollyanna.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Wait, legit, that's like the thing probably that's I've never
even heard that once.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, Pollyanna.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I'm gonna go to uh get, I'm gonna say that
next time to a stylist. Can I get up Pollyanna
and see what they say? It's definitely quicker than some
hair aff has some half down. I'd love to say. Yeah,
So that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
But also somebody wrote us Victoria on Instagram wrote us
a question that I thought was interest interesting, but I
think we know the answer to it. But they were like,
do you think that Dean Winters makes more money from SVU?
And like and like residuals or Mayhem Mayhem and it's Mayhem, right, Like,

(12:06):
I know, it's definitely Mayhem. He did thirty one episodes
of SVU, so he definitely and it plays constantly on
seven different channels, so he's definitely making money from SVU forever.
But now he's like Mayhem. I mean like they got
to pay him the big bucks.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, I loved what you posted, uh the maloney where
he reposted the FBI cash Patel dude and was like
accept some pedophiles or something.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I just like I love when I love when it's maloney.
I mean I love what it's stabler. Yeah, comes out
on Mega.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
He's like a Mega, Like, oh, hardcore, but I just liberal,
like just like trolls.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
On online all. But I like when it's about sex crimes.
You know it's uh.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I think he just did an architectural digest because people
are kidding me a chance to look well.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Also, the Flow the Progressive Lady did a CBA Sunday
Morning that only saw a clip of that I'm dying
to watch. Really, Yeah, I'm a curios Yeah, I can't
wait to be cause she like improvides something.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
It was going to be a one off, you know,
obviously it's like a wild story.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
No one imagines they're going to be like how she
Halloween costume for decades to come. Yeah, but she's definitely
richer than Mayhem, I would.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Assume, right.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh, Yeah, I think that girl is uh and like
people know her from, people know her from like comedy,
are all like, she's really cool and nice and talented.
So I'm happy for her. I want her to hold on.
I just opened this link and I'm sending it to you.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Hold on, Yeah, one hour ago. It's only one hour ago.
Inside Serene, NYC home.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I've already received it like seven times, so I just
hadn't had a chance to watch it yet. So they're WHOA,
I can't believe he lives there. Oh that's so, you know.
I mean, we've talked about this, but he lived in
my hometown for like two years in a massive mansion.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Wait, dude, this camp. This is gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wow, oh my god, it's just the little thumb.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm watching it small and my jaw is on the floor.
It's gorgeous. I wonder where it is.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, I can't wait to get in there.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, that's gonna be exciting.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
How is family camp or what else? What else?

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Family camp was great.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
No say what you were gonna say, because I feel
like family camps. I was just gonna say. I on
the way home from Family Camp home two days ago.
I keep getting roped in to movies on Delta that
have famous, famous people in them, but I've never heard
of them, and I keep forgetting that there's a reason why.

(14:45):
Like I watched this movie called The Fabulous Four, and
if you could literally ask Ai to make a movie
for Kara Clank, it's like, this is the movie. Okay,
it's Susan Sarandon, Megan Malally, Bette Middler. Literally my io
on Twitter forever was like Bette Midler enthusiast, like I
have been obsessed with Bettedler since I was a child,

(15:07):
and Shirley Ralph. Okay, they play four best friends. I
mean it's literally it's book Club, It's Palms. It's like
all the movies that I like about old ladies hanging
out with each other and maybe one or two of
them finds love, Like that's what I need. And so
basically in this movie, they all go down to Key West,
where I've been dying to go my whole fucking life.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I've never been there.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
They all go down to Key West for one of
them is getting remarried and they're all gonna go down
and be the bridesmaids. It is so bad, I don't
It was such a bad fucking movie. I kept being
like should I turn this off? And then I was
like no, I mean Malaly like tries to save it
a little bit. But like what's it called. It's called

(15:53):
the the It's called the Fabulous Four. So like in
the movie Bette Midler like Mary rich and her husband died.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I haven't seen this and I didn't fall prey to it.
I saw this, Oh my god, Bett Midler's do you
saw it?

Speaker 1 (16:06):
You saw it as well? Yeah it's not it's not
necessarily Lisa Bate. It's cantrabate for sure. Like they I
want well after.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Mama Mia and not Mama Mia, Mama, Mafia Mama, Oh.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, mafia Mama. No.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And what's the one where it's like a bunch again
a bunch of stars and it's like couples and the
people are day.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
One with like Richard gear and and and oh and
Emma Roberts and like all the other Like this is
so bad? Why is this so bad? Like I just
I don't understand. Like I was telling Jared, I was like,
why would these women do a bad movie? Like it's
not but do you think it's bad?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
In the edit and they had fun and it was good,
and it's that sucks, or there's the writing bat as well,
and then it's like is this a favor?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Like who is this director? Right?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Like I want to know what's up? I know, I
really can't tell. It would be like a lot of favors.
It'd be like a it's like a favor to pulling
Susan Sarandon, but to get then Bett Middler, Cherrilee Ralph.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I mean Sarandon likes to work, dude, because she's in
Yars movie.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, Yoster probably wrote a really funny movie. I haven't
watched it yet. Yeah, it is very funny. Yostters like
a joke writer. I mean, I don't know who wrote
this shit. I don't know if it's the writing. The
writing was bad. But also like they really let Megan
Malally be loose and that was great, Like she was
fun She's like funny. She's supposed to be a singer.
What kind of singer? We have no idea. We just

(17:29):
once to see her in a recording booth and then
the rest of the time. Her whole identity is that
she wears Gucci but like cool streetwear Gucci and likes
to fuck younger men and that's her whole identity basically,
and then which one Megan Malaly's okay, and then Charlie
Ralph's character has a weed business, runs a weed business,
and then.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Her this must be a woman that comes from money
because from this director's made like fourteen movies.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I have not heard of one of them.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like, we're all just like letting somebody Becca Black. I
mean not that now. I guess Rebecca Black is cool.
It's come full circle. But like you know, when she
originally came out on the scene, it was like, oh,
we're just like letting anybody buy a pop song. But
like I, I just know the movie Proof, So she
did Proof. I guess people know that movie. Oh is
that the one with Meryl Streep and Uma Thurman. No, No,

(18:20):
that's Prime, that's Prime. What's Proof?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't know, but I have no idea, but it
sounds like something people, Oh Russell Crow's, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I just like I could not understand.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I was like, you got women have been like Shirly
Ralph is like Curdly winning Emmys all the time.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
They were all like Oscar her husband. Her husband directed
Muriel's wedding. Okay, things are things.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Are big, okay, clearer, okay, okay, but still it's like
you guys didn't have.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
The resources to like the like it's there.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, so her higher assailing Muriel's wedding, My best Friend's
wedding Peter Pan in two thousand and three, and Confessions
of a Chopaholic.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh okay, Confessions of a Shopaholic. I just like Irandon's
character is a ridiculous cartoon. There's like this whole the
plot makes next to no sense. At one point, they
go parasailing. You know, we're like where you just sit
in the thing they are. It's so it's green screen

(19:17):
like it's full. It looks like a Saturday Night Live
sketch of people going parasailing. Like it's there's so much
about it that makes no sense to me. In the
parasailing scene, Susan Sarandon's too scared to go, so it's
just the other three Bette Midler and Cherlie Ralph, all
obviously iconic singers. I guess Megan Malally sings. I didn't
really know that. So they're up in the parasale and
they're singing. I can see clearly now the rain has

(19:39):
gone that song and They're like just up there singing.
You're like, Okay, I get this. The point of this
scene is you just wanted these three women to like
sing together. And then at the very end of the movie,
but by the way, why is Cheryl with Ralph not
the singer? Why is Bett Midler not the singer? Like,
I just Megan Malaly's the singer. Megan Malally at one
point in the movie sings a duet with Michael Bolton.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
It doesn't sound that good. And I'm saying this as someone.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Who is like a huge fan of Megan Malally and
I just was like, why did they have Bette.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Midler sing with Michael Bolton? Like what's happening?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Then at the very end they repriase I can see
clearly now, but just bet Middler and Cherylie Ralph are
singing and Susan Sarandon's off to the side and Megan
Malalley's know where to be found and they keep doing
tight shots of Megan Malaley and You're like, someone couldn't
make the shoot day, Like someone was like, I can
do it, but I can't be there for that last day.
So they like praise this big singing song. But the

(20:34):
singer in the group is not there. That's just like
one of my things. None of it makes any sense.
It's silly, but it made me like, it made me
want to go to Key West. You know they it
looks like they shot it all in q wes. Well,
you actually did the opposite, and I'm about to watch it.
So girl, you fly enough that you like you, you
should definitely throw it on and Bette Midler's character.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Save wait the dressmaker. Okay, so I did discredit this woman,
and I do feel bad. She did make some movies
that people like, how to make an American Quilt? I
get it a thousand acres.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I don't know what happened then? Was it the edit?
Was it the like the writing? It's just it.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I want to know how much everyone got paid, what
the budget was, how they get it?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Like now, I just want to know everything. I want
to know here.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, I mean, are they like sitting around being like
this sucks, or like are they having a like are
they trying? Like?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I mean the writers have not written much. It's
like a writer team that has not written much, so
I don't know. But they're also having something upcoming called
you're dating a narcissist that they wrote. But I just
I was like, these women are all fine. I do
wonder any comedy, yeah yeah, And it just was it

(21:45):
was it felt so crazy to me, Like I was like,
what happened? Were they only given a week to make
the movie? Like it was so confusing to me. But
Megan mulally is charming in it. I like love her,
and her character's just like a slutty like likes to
get high and drunks, and I like her. Susan Saranda's
character does not exist on this planet. Like it's an

(22:05):
insane character. And there's like a whole there's like a
whole secret, not a secret, but a reason why two
of them don't get along, Bette Midler and Susan Sarandon,
And like you find out very quickly, it's that Susan,
the husband that Bette Midler just lost, her husband of
twenty seven years, was dating Susan Saranon first and Bette
Midler stole him. And Bette Midler's character is like, I

(22:26):
don't know what happened between us?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
What where did our friendship go?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That is a recurring thing that she keeps saying and
it's like you stole her boyfriend and married him.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I don't know that, Like, what are we dumb? Like
it makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
But you know, I watched it on the plane and
I didn't have to watch dog Man, which Rosie was
begging me to watch.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Dog Man. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Dog Man are these books about a cop and his dog.
And in the very first book, they get into an
accident and they can't save the CoP's head and they
can't save the dog's body, so they plant the dog's
head on the CoP's body. And he doesn't talk, but
he has all these adventures and his nemesis is named
Petie the Cat. And in the movie, I think in
the movie Pete Davidson voices PD or no, I don't remember,

(23:10):
somebody does. Anyway, the movie was actually very funny. The
dog Man movie is funny if you have to go
see movies with your kids, it's funny. Unlike minecraft movie,
where I had no idea what was going on the
entire time. Dogman movie was at least funny and had jokes.
But did you see my story also of how my
renter who rented my house for the summer, like transformed

(23:31):
my garden and planted fifty plus herbs, vegetables and flowers
in my garden.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I mean, are you gonna murder them or keep them up?
That was my first thought. I'm gonna try. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, I have a drip system, So I'm thinking if
I adjust the drip system to a little bit more water,
maybe I don't have to do as so much up keep.
Yesterday I was out there watering them by hand. But
it's day one, you know, like, I don't know if
this will keep up.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Are you gonna partake in the produce that's being grown? Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, there's already a cucumber out there that looks ready
to go. Also, she saw that she saw some of
the art we have, like hanging on the walls of
that the kids have drawn, and they like butterflies and stuff,
and so she grew butterflies at our house. Like she
started raising butterflies like on milkweed, and like they turned

(24:18):
into caterpillars. And then she noticed that the caterpillars were
getting eaten by lizards. So she bought these like netted
cages and brought them into the house. And so when
we got home, there were twenty one chrysalises, and we
brought there was nine and one and thirteen in the others.
We brought the thirteen to Oscar's class because his teacher
loves butterflies and loves raising them. That's why Rosie got

(24:39):
into butterflies. So they're raising thirteen of them. Three have
already closed. It's called e closing. I'm learning a lot
about butterfly biology. And one has already closed at our
house and we let it go yesterday, but there's like
four that are about to go because you can tell
because the chrysalises get really dark and they just honestly,

(24:59):
I didn't see it happened.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It just suddenly there was a butterfly in the cage.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Wow. And then you have to let it out onto
a flower like it within four to twenty four hours
of it being born borned.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
And she just started.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Actually the renter and I'm not going to say her name,
but we have like basically become friends. We text all
the time, and she started listening to my podcast and
so she's like, I love you guys, I want to
hang out with you.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
And I'm like, you know, what, where did you find
this woman? This is incredible.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Butterflies herbs, I know, like truly Airbnb, which is crazy.
Like I tried to go through channels of renting to
people like that I knew were friends of friends, and
I just threw it up on Airbnb and she contacted
me and wanted to and I was like, can you
please come back every single summer? But she might move
to LA And when she does, I'm sure we're gonna

(25:46):
hang out because I don't know. Wow, this is huge,
so exciting, and why was she there? She lives in Arizona.
She lives in Arizona and it's so hot there in
the summer that she like comes to LA for just
like a little relief. Plus she has a kid that
lives here. Okay, I love that LA and the summer
is the relief. I know if you live in Phoenix,

(26:09):
I think it is. I mean, at least we have
cool nights. We're honestly going into the hottest time. September
is the hottest fucking time in LA. I'm not I
don't know, I'm not that pumped for it. But yeah,
Family Camp was great. I was the director this year.
A lot of questions, a lot of a lot of questions,
a lot of eye contact, a woman at the end
told me I had a really great You did a
really great job.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
You made a lot of eye contact, and I was like, wow,
thank you. Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, you know, uh, but we had a great time.
You know. It was more work for me than usual,
but I still got to spend like a lot of
time with the kids. And now we're back from two
months and my house is like in shambles, Like I
have to spend the next two days like putting it
back together, get all.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
The stuff out.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, what were the big our biggest blenders, Like what
are the deets on family Camp?

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Outside of eye contact?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I mean I forgot to announce yoga, so we just
never offered it. But you know, that's that's all. That's
I didn't make too many massive mistakes. Oh, I mean
I one time I forgot to tell somebody they were
taking someone to the airport and they were waiting for
a ride at five am. But that was actually not
my fault, it was someone else's. But that's it, not
that many blunders. I mean I've that it was my

(27:21):
fourteenth time doing family camp, so like I kind of
know how it works, Yeah, because I did it when
I was in my twenties and I've done it and
some in my thirties, you know, I've like not consecutive,
you know, like over the years.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, So it was fun though. It was fun and
like the whole trip was good. Thank you to everybody
that came to the New York Show. This is our
first time being doing an episode that was so fun.
If you weren't at our New York show, we had
quite a time. Somebody in the audience yelled out, it's
Marcia gay Harden's birthday, which it was, and I didn't

(27:57):
know that because I was telling everybody how me and
Marsha have been texting recipes back and forth because after
she sent me the original messipee, I made one and
I sent it to her and then she sent me
another one. So now I got to do this one.
And this guy yelled out, it's Marsha gay Heart's birthday.
I went, no way, should I should I text her?
So I texted her sing. Someone in our audience just

(28:19):
yelled out that it's your birthday. Uh, so I have
to say happy birthday. And then Lisa was like, I
think you it was your idea. You were like, let's
sing to her or somebody did someone I was so
I took a video of the whole audience at the
Bellhouse packed singing Happy birthday Marcia gay Harden and I
sent her that and she sent me a voice note

(28:40):
back which I played on stage. Casey's like oh my god,
which I played on stage of her being like, oh
my god, this is amazing. I gotta post this. She
hasn't posted it, but you know, it was just her
Birthday's her prerogative. But so Bronwyn was at the show.
We brought out a special guest. Yeah, that was really exciting.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I was like, we gotta say your name because you
don't read exactly like Brounwin anymore.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know, her hair's not as long.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know. I'm like, you're not holding a tin of lasagna.
You know it's everybody? No, Yeah, I think so. It
was so much fun. Loved meeting everyone. I had so
much fun that night. We did bombshell time of our lives.
We do have to start.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I do want to say I am on the road,
so come see me in Plano, Texas, Springfield, Missouri. I'm
going to Amsterdam, Paris, London, Dublin, Australia, Hartford, Connecticut at Hartford,
my college town, other place San Francisco and Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I mean, what are you doing in Hartford? Are you
doing city Steam or are you doing the club that
we did? I'm doing the Funny Bone, Baby, the Funny Bone. Yeah,
all right, there's getting a place called city Steam in
Hartford that other comics do, and my friend used to
waitress there. Anyway, if you want to find out Lisa's
tour dates, it's in her Instagram bio and stuff. But
it's also at that's messed up live dot com. You

(30:03):
can go down to the bottom and like you can
see it says like Lisa's website, and that takes you
to all her dates and that way you can get
legit ticket links.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Don't Google. People get scammed. Get scammed.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Oh my god, you know what I started watching that
I was obsessed with but I haven't finished it.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, we're gonna start Thelma. What is it?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh my god, it's this movie with June squib Oh
and Parker Cosey and Nicole Byer has a small part
in it. I love it so much and I'm only
like halfway through because the plane landed, So I gotta
go watch the rest, but I was literally laughing so hard.
It's so especially after watching The Fabulous Four. It's so good.
It's so smart. It's like about it's funny, but it's

(30:44):
also about like the getting old and like taking care
of our elderly family and stuff. And it's so good.
I'm like, I mean, unless it like really fucks up
the Landing, I feel like it's one of the best
movies I've seen lately, in Casey's taking and giving it
two thumbs up. I love an older protag and June
Squib is so good, like she's she plays like old

(31:05):
grandma who kind of doesn't know what's going on at
the same time as making like great jokes. Like it's
such a good movie. I'm loving it. And you know,
I love Parker Posey whenever I can get her. And
the boy in it. I didn't recognize him and then
I looked him up and he's from everything.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
He's like in He's in White Lotus.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
He's like the son in White Lotus the first season,
Connie Britten's son, and like he's in all this stuff.
His name is, it doesn't matter, it's like Fred something.
We gotta get going, We really gotta get.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Going one more quick thing before we start.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I am hosting and producing a show at the Bellhouse
on September twenty eighth in New York.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's a stand up show.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's benefiting the Triangle Center, which is an LGBTQ organization
in Connecticut. It's in honor of my friend Jed, who
I've talked about on the podcast, who passed away last year.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
And it's going to be an amazing show.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Lisa is on the lineup as well as Josh Sharp,
Jay Jorden, I'm a Willman, Jake Cornell. It's gonna be awesome.
So you can go to the link in my bio
for tickets, Kara Clink on Instagram, or you just go
to the Bellhouse website.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Thank you. Let's get started, all right.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Today we are doing the episode in Loco Parentis. Yeah,
what is this title? What is I'll tell you, I'll
explain it. This is a season nineteen jam. It's Careese heavy,
so all of you Careesi fans get ready.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I don't know why, but this title is misspelled on Hulu.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's spelled without the ie, so it's just the letter
N and then Loco Parentis. I don't know why, but
This is a Latin phrase that my father used to
use all the time when I was growing up, And
that's kind of how why I know what it means.
Like it basically means acting as the parent. So like,
for example, when I was seventeen and I was a
camp counselor, even though I was a counselor, like I

(32:54):
was on the staff, because I was under eighteen, the
camp was acting in loco parentis and like was responsible
for me. So that's why, like if you were under
eighteen at camp, they were like, you really can't drink
because like we're your parents here, like we're responsible if
anything happens to you. But like you weren't supposed to
drink after you were eighteen until you were twenty one either,
but it was really bad if you were under eighteen.

(33:15):
So that's what it is basically, And I think in
this episode, I think it's in relation to the fact
that the college is trying to be like the parent
figure in this scenario.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
So, like we've talked about this.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
So many times, but we start with some kind of
like internal tribunal or like case court case that's going
on internally out a college. Okay, and the female accuser
is named Mia. She's on a video chat and then
the guy, Ethan, is in person, looking very uncomfortable. Mia
describes what happened the night of like it's obviously like

(33:52):
I've talked about how I was on a court like this,
but for other bad behaviors that did not involve anything sexual.
That was like a completely different like group. But I
was on like four you got caught with drugs, you
did this, like I was on this group. I tried
to give everybody a pass. Really, I was like, aren't
we just kids? But Mia described that her and Ethan

(34:14):
ran into one another at a campus party. They had
a lot to drink, They went back to her dorm
and from here we just hard cut to cares and
he's out to lunch with his sister Teresa, and he goes,
what are you telling me here, Teresa that my niece
has been raped, And it's like, I'm sorry, Teresa Caresi
is such a funny name to me. I don't know
why I can't get over it. It's it's just like Teresa Carresi.
And we've only seen this woman in one episode this episode,

(34:36):
Like she doesn't recur the way we've seen Bella Careesi
many times, and I think there's even more sisters beyond there.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I'm sure they're just keeping it open. And she is.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Played by Rachel bay Jones, who is a Broadway baby
and won an Emmy, Tony and Grammy for playing the
mom in Dear Evan Hanson. She is three quarters of
her way to Egot. She just needs to at an
oscar And some people also might know her. She's kind
of in like the Young Sheldon universe. She's like a

(35:06):
recurring character on like Young Sheldon and like the new spinoff.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
So this woman is she's great.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
She's like blonde and like very Italian or whatever, and
she explained she's like the whole thing is a mess.
Mia was drunk and she woke up with this guy
on top of her and Carisie's mad that his sister
didn't call him, but Mia didn't want the cops involved,
and she's trying to be a good mom and like
listen to what her daughter wants. And of course MIA's
dad is named Tony, but they're divorced and he doesn't
know anything, and he's like, why did you even call me?

(35:34):
And she's like I'm scared. Like they don't let parents
into these hearings. And she's there all alone, which is
weird because we very soon find out that Ethan's father
is at the hearing with him.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
So I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Maybe she just didn't want her at the hearing with
her CARESI calms down. He wants to know who the
bastard is. So now back at the tribunal, and now
we're with Mia and Ethan's on video. So we're live
with Mia and Ethan's testifying on video about how they
were kissing and Mia didn't pull away, she kissed him back,
and then they asked like, well, was if there was

(36:07):
their non con sensual sexual contact, and he's like, I
don't remember, but I'm sure i'd never rape anyone.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And it's just it is.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Wild that, like you're like, well, I just like know
myself and I would never continue having sex with somebody
that didn't want to or wasn't responsive. And I feel
like it's like a lot of men don't actually interrogate
that about themselves, Like especially if you were so drunk,
You're like, you can't even believe that you would keep
doing that, Like if someone looked uncomfortable or froze up
or passed out. You would just keep doing that, you know, Like,

(36:37):
but his the person next to him his like, quote
unquote lawyer like, I don't know who it is.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm just calling it.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
His lawyer brings up that in me A's original statement,
she said she didn't consent, but then later said she
didn't remember. So they asked me, did you ever give
affirmative consent?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
And she says no, I did not.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
In the next scene, the dean or whoever it is
presiding over this trybunal says, I've made my decision. I
find Ethan responsible. You're suspended for one year effective. Immediately
pack your shit and get out by five o'clock. This
is sort of the most unbelievable part of it to me,
that a school would actually side with the girl when
there's kind of like no evidence. Yeah, he said she
said that the girl. They'd just be like, you know what,

(37:16):
we think it's you, Ethan. Like that doesn't happen very often.
Ethan is flabbergasted when he hears this like deliberation. He's like,
you bitch, and he says he's like yelling. He's like,
you can't do this to me. This can't be happening.
He's like yelling at the screen, and Mia looks upset.
And now MIA's meeting her mom and uncle Sonny where

(37:37):
they were having lunch, and she's like crying.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
She's like, he.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Got suspended for a year.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
He was so angry. He yelled and he threatened me.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
We don't hear the threat, but he does call her
a bitch and says, like, you can't.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Be doing this to me.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Sonny goes, I'm gonna take care of this, and they go, well,
what are you gonna do? And he's like, I'm gonna
do what I would have done in the first place,
open a police investigation and arrest this son of a bitch.
And it's like I appreciate his anger. I know it's
his niece, but it's like he knows as well as
I do. Like there will likely be no evidence at
this point. I guess maybe we could find a Monica
Lewinski dress or something, but like that doesn't even really
that's not really even like a smoking gun when it's

(38:10):
like he said, she said about consent, you know. And anyway,
now we're at the credits at the top of Act one,
where it lives office and she's filling Stone in about
the case. So this is a Stone season. He's still,
you know, getting his footing with victims and stuff, and
Carisey is there explaining that the assault happened three months
ago at Hudson University obviously where else the victim never

(38:31):
went to the police and it was handled internally by
the school. Caresee's fired up, he'd tells Stone the school
only suspended this guy for a year and he made threats,
so he's a danger to the victim. And He's like,
who I have to disclose is my eighteen year old niece.
So he says he believes her and that the school
did too, and Stone goes okay. So despite Betsy de Vos,

(38:52):
which if you'll remember, is Trump's we thought was the
worst Department of Education pick we could get, but it
got worse. Despite Betsy of us, is New York's enough
is Enough laws still on the books. In July twenty fifteen,
New York established enough is Enough to address sexual assault,
dating violence, domestic violence, and stalking on college campuses. It
was one of the first laws in the country to

(39:13):
require that all colleges and universities adopt a set of
comprehensive procedures and guidelines, a uniform definition of affirmative consent
am Disney for bit standers who report or victims who report,
a student bill of rights, and that all campuses undertake
campus climate surveys as well as prevention and awareness training.
So that's a good step, I would say, But that

(39:34):
was happening in New York, and I'm not sure what
other states followed suit. But Benson says, yes, the law
is still in effect and caresy clarifies for the audience,
like fully for our benefit. He goes, yeah, I know,
the school only needs a preponderance of evidence to convict,
whereas the state needs beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning this
is not going to be easy. And Stone's hurt enough
and he gets up to leave, but surprise, he's on board.

(39:56):
Barboa would never but this guy's like, oh sure, I'm
trying to make friends. Yeah, Barbara just murdered a baby,
but right, and he's like, all right, I'm gonna subpoena
the tribunal transcripts and until you guys get enough evidence
to charge this guy with rape.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Son he leaves.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Benson tells Carries, you know, officially you're off the case
but unofficially don't fuck it up. So then in the bullpen,
Stone runs into Finn and goes, hey, Antonio Dawson says, hi,
and Antonio Dawson for you Chicago people is a Chicago
p D guy and fire and we've met him on
the episode Nationwide man Hunt a couple of seasons ago,

(40:34):
when you know Chicago crossed over to find Yates and
Rollin sees Finn have this little interaction with Stone and
goes YouTube Buddies now, and Finn's like, I don't know,
I think he's cool like, and Rollins goes, I think
he should go back to Chicago, and she's got this
like sweet little bitch smile on when she says it,
and you're like, oh, yeah, I forgot you guys like
hate him some of you, and Finn goes, it's not

(40:54):
his fault. Barbara pulled the plug on that baby, and yikes,
he's really laying it down like it is not his fault.
Next stop is the home of Teresa Cariesi, and she
lives in New Haven, Connecticut, classic home of many Italian Americans.
She's gushing to Benson, oh Sonny tells me so much
about you, it's embarrassing him. Benson's like, okay, I want

(41:16):
to talk to Mia. They go to her pink bedroom
with like gymnastics trophies and a butterfly paintings, and Mia
tells Benson she didn't really know Ethan that well. He
was friends with her roommate Renata, and she tells Benson
she's like, well, you know, I did invite Ethan to
my room, and then she tells her like, we sat
on the bed, we kissed a few times, and then

(41:37):
he just got on top of me, and I could
feel that he was ready quote unquote, and then she goes,
it happened so fast, he put his tongue in my mouth.
I pushed him away, but before I knew what was happening,
he was inside me. And Benson's like, I just want
to know if you said no, and me is like
I think I did, and she definitely said wait and
pushed him off, and he got all mad and left.
And so now we're at Ethan's family's house, and that's

(41:59):
when I see that the guy who was in the
tribunal with him is his dad, Like he was fully
with his dad, being like represented by his dad, and
so I don't know why, like they weren't she wasn't allowed.
But I can understand why, Teresa KRIESI would not be
helpful in a situation like that. And he goes, my
son's going to be arrested for rape, and Ethan's sitting

(42:20):
on the staircase, going, I told you her uncle was
a cop, and Finn and Rollins are like, no, no,
we just want to hear your side, and the mom
another hashtag boy mom can't believe that he's suspended. She's like,
he can't even go to class. It's like, yeah, that's
what happens when you get suspended. It's not like they
just like take you off the meal plan, like you're
gone from the whole school, no class, no nothing. And
she goes and the dad goes, well, we're going to appeal,

(42:42):
and Finn tells them, okay, well this is an open
police investigation.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
I just have to let you guys know.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And Ethan's dad's like, well, we're getting a lawyer this time,
and Ethan pipes in. He's like, I didn't even want
to hook up with Mia. I only went there because
I thought Renata was going to be there. And then
the dad tells him to shut the fuck up, and
he kicks the cops out of the house. So they
don't really get that much, but Finn and Rollins are like,
let's go talk to Renata. So they're on a beautiful
outdoor walk and talk with Renata. She's pretty, she's in

(43:06):
fall fashion for college and it's like a pretty campus
and they're walking and talking and.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
She's like, I was so shocked to hear what Ethan did.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Mia told me the next day after after I got
back from skiing with my parents. She said, I asked
Mia what Ethan was even doing in their room, and
she just started crying, saying she didn't want to have
sex and he forced her, and Renata can't believe. She's like,
I can't believe I ever went out with him. I
thought he was one of the nice guys, like non toxic,
And so Rollins thinks it's notable that after Renauta walks away,

(43:37):
Rollin's is like, huh, so like Mia didn't actually disclose
to Renauta until Renauda brought up Ethan and Cariese's like,
so so what, Like it's actually totally crazy that he's
even there questioning witnesses just because like this is exactly
what the other side will get thrown out in court
that you were like interfering in a like investigation when

(43:57):
you have a conflict of interest. But that's just me,
uh And he's not playing it like remotely cool at
all for the fact that he should not be on
the case, and Rollins points out like, well, these cases
aren't always black and white, like these are kids. There's
sexually inexperience, and then you add drinking into the mix,
like it's tough. And he's like, so what are you saying?
And she's like, let's take a look at the tribunal
tapes because I'm obviously not gonna be able to have
a rational conversation with you. So at the precinct they're

(44:20):
looking at a tape of a woman testifying and she's like,
I saw Ethan and Mia making out in the hallway,
and this is Hillary. She is the ra in MIA's
dorm and she says Ethan was aggressive. They went in
there with the door closed for an hour, and when
Ethan left, Hillary went to check to see if Mia
was okay, and she said she needed a minute. And

(44:41):
then she's they were like, so did she ever just
close to you? And she says, no, not to me.
She never just close to me that she'd been assaulted.
But maybe she told Andy Rayburn. He's her dorm neighbor.
And I saw him leaving MIA's room the next morning. So,
and I really love Benson's hair here. I just want
to stop and point it out. She's got like these
really pretty curtain bangs that I think I've like dreamed

(45:01):
that I can pull off, but I know that I can't.
And I really think she looks very pretty. None of
the squad has heard of Andy Raeburn, Like who is this,
Like how does he factor into the story? No, one's
brought him up. So now Robin's and finner in the dorm.
Hillary takes them to Andy's door. There's like loud music
playing behind the door. When Andy opens the door, he's
immediately giving douche like, immediately giving asshole like so quickly,

(45:23):
and he's holding a can.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I can't tell if it's beer.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
It's pretty brazen if it is beer, because I don't
think any freshman dorms that exist allow alcohol.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
So like, if a ra knocks on the door, you
got to hide that shit.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
And Hillary says, they want to ask you about Mia,
and he goes, oh, why she's saying I raped her too?
And then the music swells like that's some big plot twist,
but I.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Think that's just a kid being a dick, and so
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
But we do go to commercial and now Andy is
in cement room bars answering questions with a lawyer, and
he's like, look, Mia texted me that night that she
was depressed and needed to talk, how she was a
terrible person, how it was all her fault. So he
basically says she did disclosed to him. So they're like, well,
then why did you say that thing about her accusing
you of rape too? And he goes, I didn't do

(46:06):
anything me and I just stayed up all night talking.
I only said that because I knew she was accusing Ethan.
I freaked out when I found out you guys were cops.
And it's like you did. You looked extremely calm and
cocky the entire time, like you never if you were
freaking out. It was internal, He says. The campus investigator
never asked me if I was with Mia that night,
Like it seems like this guy was just totally omitted
from the entire investigation, and he goes, but I don't

(46:27):
know that she wasn't raped, Like I just think maybe
she didn't want to tell me, And then he says,
maybe she was just waiting to tweet me too about
it or write a short story for The New Yorker.
I'm kind of finding it hard to believe that this
is the guy that she needed to bring in for
the emotional support when after she's been sexually assaulted. This
guy seems like an asshole at a douche that would
probably be trying to make out with her the whole time.

(46:47):
And He's like, I used to think I understood girls,
but nobody understands them anymore. And it's like, I don't know,
It's like not that hard watching through the fish bowl glass.
Cariese's like, this doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted, but Stone's like,
you don't think she should have mentioned another male student
spending the night in her room, and Benson's like, look,
a lot of victims leave out parts of their story.
Chrisy said she was probably embarrassed, and Benson's like, you

(47:10):
just haven't prosecuted a lot of college age assaults, have you,
And he's like, no, this is my first one. And
I don't think that many people have because they mostly
get covered up by the schools, and girls don't come
forward because of social pressure.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Like there's not that.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Many adas that are like, oh, I've prosecuted so many
college rapes because like they do not go to trial
that often.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I would say.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
He suggests that they talked to Hudson's investigator and then
he leaves. Crisy's like, great, we got the new guy
on my niece's case. It's like, dude, Barble wouldn't even
taken this one, so you should be thinking you're lucky
stars with stones even on the case. Back in the
pink bedroom, Me is telling Benson I didn't mention Andy
because I didn't want to seem like a slut. And
Benson's like, okay, but you know this isn't your fault,

(47:48):
like you told Andy, like you told Andy this was
all your fault. And Me is like, it is my fault.
I invited him to my room. And Benson's like that
doesn't matter, and She's like it does. My whole life,
I've tried to be good. I've tried to make people
happy and say what want to hear? And Benson's like,
are you saying you did that with Ethan, like you
told him what you wanted, what he wanted to hear,
and Me is like, I don't remember. And she's like,
I don't want to go to trial, but i'll I know,

(48:10):
I'll be letting my uncle down. And I should never
have told him anything. But she really didn't tell him anything.
Your mom did, Like so uh, Live closes her eyes
and shakes her head, like this is kind of messy, right,
And now we're talking to Teresa Cariesi, and we're talking
to Sonny and Lives like, you know, we believe Mia,

(48:30):
but a jury might not. And Teresa's like, this boy
raped her and he's just gonna get away with it.
And then she walks away and goes, thanks for nothing, Lieutenant,
and Cariese's like, sorry, my sister's very Italian, So I
like that little joke. Live says to Sonny, I think
Mia did go through a trauma, but I'm not sure
what happened in that dorm room was assault. And I

(48:50):
don't think she's so sure either, and she's just not
going to make a convincing witness. And Cariese's trying to
fight it, but Benson's like, unless the school knows something
we don't, we like may not have a care. So
now we're at Ethan's family's house again, and then and
Rollins are there to tell the family, Oh, good news,
the DA isn't pursuing charges. And the mom's like, oh,
did that girl admit that she lied? And Rollins says, no,

(49:12):
we're just saying we don't have enough evidence to pursue
a criminal case. And the mom wants the cops to
tell like the school will tell the school because.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
They are still suspending him, and Rollins is like.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well, you can appeal that, Like I'm not getting involved
with like the school politics, Like that's not really my deal.
And Ethan goes, I don't even want to go back there.
Everyone thinks I'm a rapist. And it's funny because it's like,
I don't think anyone. I don't think if there's a
situation where everyone would think he's a rapist, you would
definitely have a solid squad of men that were on
your side for sure. And he can't go back to

(49:44):
Hudson and he goes, no school will accept me when
they find out how I got how I left Hudson,
and he's like, sorry, mom, I guess I'm not going
to be a doctor anymore. So this is you know,
at this point you're kind of like, oh wow, this
could be a gray area thing, like kid's life is
getting like, you know, who knows what's happening here, right,
because nothing feels like it's like a hard truth yet

(50:07):
in this episode, So cut to Teresa stamping out her
sig in an ashtray in the middle of her kitchen,
windows closed. Okay, She's like, she's like pissed. She's like,
what do you mean He's not being charged? And then
he's explaining, look, we don't have enough evidence to go
to trial, and she's like he threatened her, and Cariese's like, well,
we could get a restraining order and she's like, I
want him in prison, and then she goes, why'd you

(50:28):
get involved if you couldn't help, and then Teresa CARESI
storms off, leaving Sonny with Mia, and then he asks,
are you gonna be okay? And she goes yeah, but
she also goes, I don't want Ethan going to prison,
and I also don't want a restraining order and he's like, yeah,
but he threatened you, and she's like, yeah, but he

(50:49):
was upset, and Careese's confused. He can tell that she's
like really hesitant in the way she's talking and like different,
and he's like, what's going on, and she's like, well,
what Ethan did? Like he did move too fast and
I wasn't ready and I didn't want to do it.
But then she admits I said yes. And then when

(51:10):
Renata asked her about him, she didn't want Renata to
be mad at her because they'd gone on a date,
so she told Renata that he raped her. That seems
like a really wild jump in the plot here. And
then she went to the Then Renata went to the
ra and the school got involved, and then I couldn't

(51:30):
take it back and I'm so sorry, and Cariese is incredulous.
He's like, are you telling me? Why do the school
took the police? And she says sorry, and he's like,
don't apologize to me. Apologize to Ethan because at this
point they're all like, wow, you've like ruined this kid's life.
You did say yes, that was consensual sex. And she
says she never thought it would go this far, that
he would get kicked out of school, and she's like

(51:52):
she's like, I ruined his life and I don't know
what to do. And it's like I sort of hate
that the show did this because like there are so
many cases that aren't black and white, but I think
it is so rare for a girl to make up
an allegation and then actually go through with reporting a
fake allegation, Like at any moment in the process with
the school, she could have just said I don't want
this to go to school tribunal. I don't feel comfortable,

(52:13):
and then it wouldn't have you know what I mean,
And like whatever, everybody could have just done dealt with
the rumor mill if they wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It was even harder to do research on this because
it is a fucked up thing that happens that can
be acknowledged and talked about, but it's like it's used
and like as a tool to make it seem like
it happens equal amounts of time, right that the false
accusations happen, And it's like, I don't know, I just
think the lifelong effects of being raped might be longer

(52:43):
than being falsely accused, Like yeah, it's because we don't
acknowledge the lifelong like effect it can have on you.
So it's all this discussion of like ruining men's lives
with no discussion of like what an assault actually does
to the mind and body.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Right and happens so much more.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And so yeah, it's really it was tough to research
because the person did do something wrong, but it's tree
like she got more prison time the most rapists too.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah, and so it's like it is really tough to
even talk about.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I would say, because I feel like they could have
made it. They could have kept it that was ambiguous,
of course, but they could have.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Kept it that it was ambiguous.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
This stuff happens all the time, like where somebody doesn't
say no, but they don't say yes, but they're like frozen,
and that's still important to talk about. How that's not
enthusiastic consent, you know, Like and so I and I
just feel like she why did she tell Ranada he raped?
Like you could have just said, oh my god, yeah,
he like forced me to kiss him, and then we
like we like I kicked him out.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
It's just like it's so wild that she would jump
to rape, thinking that that wouldn't even become a rumor,
even as a rumor. It could be detrimental rather like
even if she hadn't gone to the ra so like,
and I just don't think that this happens, like.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Like it happens.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Of course, everything can happen, but like, I don't think
it's common. And I think putting it in a television
episode like this makes it seems like it's the kind
of thing that happens all the time. And I think,
if you're going through a school tribunal, it's because you
do not feel comfortable being with this person on your
campus anymore, and that you have to. In this episode,
they're on cameras, so they actually want to be in

(54:21):
the same room. Most of the time, they have to
be in the same room as each other. You have
to go in the same room as your assaulter and
sit across a table from them and like say what
happened and then watch them like most of the time
walk off scot free, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
So anyway, I guess like that that's my point of SVU.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It's like they talk about all this stuff, but yeah,
it just makes it seem like it happens in the
same kind of way.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, often, and they do, like I guess they are
trying to set it up that she's like a people
pleaser and she tells people what they want to hear,
and that definitely is like a result of just like
generational misogyny that we all, like some of us have
inside of us of like, oh, just be polite and
do the thing that people want. But this feels like
she could have shut it down way sooner with no
repercussions and didn't, and they could have just focused on

(55:09):
the fact that these cases can be nebulous, like that's
what I was thinking. But anyway, Careesy like yells at
me and goes, you got to make this right. And
then like he calms down and he's like, you can
fix this. I know you can. It's gonna be okay,
but he doesn't tell her how. So now back at
the precinct, Rollins is trying to tell Cares, you know,

(55:30):
like we can keep investigating, and it's like, Rollins, what
kind of budget?

Speaker 5 (55:34):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I know the NYPD is working on actually an insane
budget that's like the defense budget of multiple countries put together,
But like, I don't think they're gonna keep investigating this case,
like you know what I mean, Like there's not going
to be sudden evidence that like a video from the room,
like I don't think anything's gonna pop up, and he's like, well,
either way, my sister's probably never gonna talk to me again.
And then he gets a phone call and we can

(55:55):
tell it's Mia and she's freaking out but won't say why,
and he goes, stay right there and he goes to
meet her and Rollin's like, I'm coming with so he's like,
I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
She's like, I gotta go meet my future family.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
So when they go to the dorm, Renata is in
the hallway going Mia was raped again, but won't tell
her who did it. And then when they get into
the dorm room, MIA's on the bed like curled up, upset, tears,
and she says she needs to talk to Carisy alone,
and Mia goes, I tried to make it right. I
asked Ethan to come over. I apologize, but he said

(56:27):
it was too late and he pushed me on the
bed and raped me. And when it was over, he said,
now you know what rape really feels like. And Caresee
looks stunned like he knows he kind of had a
hand in this happening. It's like, why didn't you talk
to her about how to make it right. You just
trusted that an eighteen year old was going to like
go do that and not put herself in harm's way,
Like you should have discussed like what the plan was

(56:48):
going to be to make it right, like go to
the school, Like you don't have to invite him to
a closed space with a bed in it, you know.
And MIA's like, I tried to do what you said.
I tried, and now no one will believe me, and
Caresee's like, yes they will, Yes they will, because we're
not going to say anything about what really happened the
first time. Uh oh, we see how much Carisie's family
meets to him, because he's really not a rule bender,

(57:08):
I would say most of the time. And he's like
basically hatching a plan to make sure that Mia gets justice,
but it might be a sort of a stabler way
of going about things. You know. Mia is crying, He's
saying I'm sorry, like I don't like where this is going.
So top of act three, Hell, yes, it's the legendary
Susie Sman and she's playing defense attorney Arlene Heller, who

(57:32):
I will refer to as Arlene henceforth. She's in four
episodes as this character and this is her final one
and she's defending Ethan. Why not more, I don't know,
maybe her curb schedule, she wasn't going to be in
New York.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I don't know more, Susie s men.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I know she's great.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
We can bring her back anytime.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I mean, this is season nineteen, she's only been gone
for a few seasons. And like in the last episode,
I forget what it is, but Larry heller Is is
the person and it's like her nephew. So she's like,
how dare you you know, like, and she's she brings
the comedy to this episode. I'll say that, so so
Stone and Finn uh sit down with them and our
leans like my clientby comedy. But she's also a fucking bitch.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Oh she is. She is, but she's got some like
one liners.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
You know, she's a bitch, she's she's she's expensive, she's
a Buchanan, she's a rita, you know, Like she's up
there with them, and uh, she's like, my client's innocent
and he's like, I didn't rape me. We had consensual
sex both times, and she's setting me up and Stone
is like, why would she do that the school found
you responsible And he's like, well, maybe she's pissed that
I'm not getting prison time.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
She texted me and asked me to come over.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
And Stone's like, so you went behind closed doors with
a girl who falsely accused you, you claim falsely accused you.
And Arleen's like, yeah, so he's an idiot, but not
a rapist. And Ethan says Mia said she wanted to
have sex with him and felt bad, So now this
is apology sex Like, this is confusing, Stone says, I'm
new to SVU, but I get that no one confesses

(58:56):
to rape. It's too easy to deny it or say
that somebody else wanted it. I'm waiting for the story
that makes me believe you over her. You were angry,
you made a mistake, and you did something you regret.
And Arlene's like, yeah, nice, try bye bye. If he's
not under arrest, we're out of here. So they leave,
and Stone is worried that the jury might not believe
Mia since she doesn't remember the first assault. And now

(59:16):
we're at four Leanie's, which is the gang's favorite white
tablecloth restaurant, and Live and Stone are meeting, but live,
can't stay for dinner, and you know, Stone just starts
immediately blowing sunshine up er ass, like, wow, you're just
like so impressive. You're a lieutenant and a single mom.
That's like a level of energy I can't even imagine,
and you just make it look effortless. And she's like, Okay,

(59:36):
like enough flattery, Let's get to the case. And then
she's like, I think me is telling the truth. She's like,
she may have been unclear the first time, but the
second time, I believe her. And Stone says, well, she's
still an imperfect witness, and Benson's like, well, welcome to SVU.
She gives him yet another review of how there are
no perfect witnesses or rape victims, and that victims omit

(59:57):
parts of their story all the time. They ca can't
remember things, they change their minds, they feel guilty, they
blame themselves. The less perfect they are, the harder we
fight for them. No One asks a robbery or a
homicide victim if she wanted it, and a homicide victim
would not be able to answer you, but I understand
what she's saying. Nobody asks what was she wearing? Why
was she walking in a dark alley, nobody implies that

(01:00:18):
the crime was her fault. Stone is just used to
having more evidence before trial and lives like, you have
her word. We go to trial so the victim can
be heard, can tell her truth, and the truth is
what heals. If you're going to trial because you want
to win, you're in the wrong place. It's like they
still have like a pretty high closure rate. I gotta
be honest and guilty rate, I would say. But back
in MIA's room, the pink walls, it's dark now, Okay,

(01:00:41):
I don't know if that's I don't know if that's
like symbolic, but you can't really see the butterfly very
well anymore. Cariese's telling her that Ethan's being arraigned and
if he doesn't make a deal, this will go to
trial and Mia will have to testify. And she's like, well,
what if they ask me about the first time I lied?
And he's like, well, I'm not asking you to perjure
your but if nobody asks, don't volunteer. And it's like,

(01:01:03):
first of all, they're going to ask, and you know
who's definitely gonna ask, Arlene Heller, like she's going to ask,
and so it's like, at least, if you're gonna lie,
think of a way to tell her an answer that's
kind of like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, it's really you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
He has like way too much like, yeah, you'll figure
it out, Yeah, you'll be good on the stand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, you are. You are asking her to commit
a crime action.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, and she's a kid like and if it's like
she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
And she trusts you, and you're truly giving her the
worst advice ever, which is to perjure herself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
And like, I think that it's still easy to say
I don't remember if I gave consent like I guess
she does, that's still a lie. But anyway she's she
could still say I'm drunk, I don't remember everything clearly.
But that's not saying she doesn't remember the yes. It's
just not saying that she does remember the yes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Now I'm trying to help somebody figure out how to
lie on the stand. I don't know where I'm going
with this. She asks CARIESI am I a bad person,
and he's like, of course not. And he tells her
about the first time he met her as a baby,
how even at three months old, she was a people pleaser.
I'm not sure who she was trying to please in
this scenario, like the roommate, Like who was she trying
to please? Like the roommate was like, please tell me
he raped you, Like I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Why she didn't want to have sex with him, but said, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yes, I think that's for sure true. But then like
who are you trying to people please with? Like the
court and the tribunal and all that, you know, just
giving everyone the answers they want. Yeah, Cariese says, he
promises he's not gonna let anything bad happen, and he leaves.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
He goes downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
He swipes a cigarette right out of Teresa Careesi's hand,
and he's like, will you stop it with this, and
she's like, I'm a nervous wreck and it's your fault.
We never should have gone after Ethan and gotten the
police involved. Now my daughter has been raped twice. And
he says, Mia will get through it, but she's like,
just fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You gotta fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
And then she's like crying and upset and she's he's
hugging her and she's crying on his shoulder and we
go to commercial. So now we're in court and Mia
is on the stand, and she said, maybe it was stupid,
but I thought we should talk. I texted Ethan asked
him to come over to my dorm room. I never
thought there were so many people there, she says. So
I think she didn't do it in a totally like

(01:03:10):
stupid thing like I was saying before, like there are
people around. She doesn't think he has the balls to
like shut the door and sexually assault her with all
these people in the hallways. But I guess, yeah, that's
what happened. So when he got there, he was mad.
He said I was being selfish and ruining his life.
He said, if my life is going down the toilet,
I'm taking you with me. Then she describes that he
pushes her down on the bed, pulls her sweats down,

(01:03:32):
and holds a pillow over her face so she couldn't scream.
Like that's a pretty specific detail for somebody to just
make up, you know, like that somebody was essentially trying
to I don't know, smother you while they were you know,
raping you, and you're trying to say that it's like consensual.
And so now it's Arlene Heller's turn and she goes,

(01:03:52):
I want to talk about the first time you cried
rape and stone objects And she withdraws, and she goes,
do you think a year's suspension is sufficient punishment for
what you claim Ethan did to you? She goes, I
don't know. The police thought he should go to prison.
Arlene's like, and that would be your uncle, Detective Dominant KREESI, Like,
she's bringing in all the reasonable doubt, basically as much
as she can. And did uncle dom look into your case? Yes,

(01:04:14):
and they found there wasn't enough evidence. And then Arlene
starts like clowning the tribunal, like, oh really, two English professors,
an adjunct sociology professor, and a grad student in medieval
music thought he was guilty, which is which is funny.
I mean that is the thing about these tribunals. It's
like what gives you any like professionalism. It's not like

(01:04:38):
it's like the school counselor that's on this board or
like you know that like the head of campus safety
or people that deal with this all the time. It's
literally will just be like me, Kara klink, a fucking
theater major, You're on the board.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Like that makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So she starts going, well, the like they thought he
was guilty, so they had to toss his ass, and
then Stone objects the judge she's out of line, and
she goes, a bunch of unqualified eggheads ruined this kid's
life on evidence that couldn't pass a motion to dismiss
in real court. I think the line was erased a
long time ago. Okay, Arlene work. I mean, like, he
is guilty, but I think she's good. The judge egghead

(01:05:15):
is just funny. Yeah eggheads wait outs like four yeah right,
It's like a little bit more professional than dork uh
or nerd. The judge threatens her with contempt and so
she moves on, and then she goes, you wanted him
to go to prison, didn't you, Mia, And me is
like I don't know, and she's like, of course you did.
Don't you think the punishment should fit the crime he
violated you? For Christ's sake, he should get worse than

(01:05:38):
living at home and eating mommy's pancakes. And then she goes,
you wanted to make sure he spent many many years
behind bars, which is why you invited him over, slept
with him, and then cried rape. It happened once who
wouldn't believe you a second time, Certainly not your uncle,
the detective. She's basically like, yeah, blasting all the reasonable
doubt out of a cannon right now. And the judge
has had it and he finds her fifteen hundred dollars,

(01:05:59):
which we see threatened all the time, but we almost
never see it acted on. So I was excited to
see someone finally get a contempt charge, you know. And
Arlene says, small price to pay for ruining a boy's life,
and then he ups the charge to two thousand. I
have a feeling that's not going to be a problem
for Arlene. I think she's got the funds. But now
Careese is on the stand and he's describing how he
took me a statement and took her to the hospital

(01:06:20):
where her rape kit showed forcible penetration and the DNA
that matched Ethan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Was like, also matched. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
So then Arlene gets a turn with Careesy and she's like, yeah,
you felt terrible the first time this happened, and you
couldn't arrest the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
If you had, it wouldn't have happened again, right, And she.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Goes, well, we're the physical results of the rape kit
similar in both cases, but he clarifies that the school
never did a medical examination, which is yeah, like normal
that like schools don't do that. She asks, okay, well
was she curled up in a ball shivering, which she
kind of was after the second attack, and Crisy said, well,
no one said that. She was like, they're going all
off of hearsay here from witnesses that aren't there. And

(01:06:58):
then Arlene's like, oh, just because it was the same guy,
same physical assault, And then they object and it's withdrawn
and it's like, why are you acting like her physical
reaction to both attacks would be identical. It's like a
crazy it's a it's a crazy thing to say, but
I guess jury's also don't always know that that would
make no sense. And she's like, did your niece describe

(01:07:20):
the attacks to you in the same way? And like
why would she describe the attacks in the exact same way?
And Caresee is quiet, Like I think he could have
just said no, she didn't, you know, I think it
would have been also okay to say the first attack
was more of a consensual hookup that went too far,
and the second attack was a literally like a rape,

(01:07:41):
one rape like with us. I would say assault with
a deadly weapon if you're using a pillow to smother someone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Caresee is quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
He can't answer, and then she goes, well, can you
tell us what me I told you about the first rape?
And he's silent again, and you can tell this is
like Caresee's big moral conundrum moment, and he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, but fuck that because he likes his niece.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I don't know why did he tell her to do
that if he wasn't gonna stick with it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Sorry, I interrupted before he said what happened. No, it's fine,
it's fine. He says, there was no first rape. He
fully admits to everything. But it's like, at this point,
I understand you shouldn't lie if stuff is like but
you told her to lie? Yeah, but if stuff is like,
you know, really nebulous like that, But in this case,
it's like we know. He keep back a second time

(01:08:25):
and said to her, now, you know what, really being
rape feels like, like he's done all this horrible shit.
Now I don't think it's like I don't know, I
don't really know why the first one kind of even
matters as much anymore as if like, even if she
did fully say, hey, I made it up for fun.
It would warrant him raping her the second time, you
know what I mean, Like, that's not warranted. So Arlene's like,

(01:08:45):
so me alied to the school tribunal, to the officers,
to this court, and Carisi goes yeah, and then Arlene goes,
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
We can all go home now. It's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
It's a wild confesson for CARIESI on the stand at
the precinct, Benson walked pissed. She's like, Crisey my office now,
and then she's like, what the hell were you thinking?
And he's like, she's my niece and lives like, well,
then you should have been she should have been honest
with you from the beginning, and she reminds him that
in these cases, the credibility of the witness is all
that matters, and me is basically at zero, which is

(01:09:16):
like also a flip for Olivia. Olivia is also like
no one's ever at a hundred, Like I know, she's
like less credible now, but you're saying, like, oh, she
should have been honest with you from the beginning, But
aren't these things always are people changing their stories and
feeling guilt and like everything you've already said about victims,
so I don't know, but she's pissed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Yeah, she's mad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Now. Cariesy then goes to the bar and finds Stone
and I think this is like where they always meet
because there's like fun, colorful lights behind the bottles, and
he expects Stone to be pissed at him, but Stone's like, now,
it's good you told the truth. Everyone has family secrets.
You spoke up when it counted. And then Cariese's like,
you're not such a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
For a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Like they're definitely letting you know. Stone is fitting in.
Now people are liking Stone. So now Cariese's like, can
we have a drink? And Stone's like sure, and he's like, yeah,
I need to like wash away this guilt. And Stone's like, listen,
my dad's last thought before he died was probably I
should have opposed that damn motion to exclude. Like his
dad was all about work up until the end. And

(01:10:09):
he's like, oh, are you're worried that's gonna be you
And he goes, look, I want to do the right thing,
and winning feels good, but there's got to be more.
That's what Stone says, So back in court. Now Ethan
is on the stand. I'm like surprised that this keeps
going after that big admission, but like this keep the click.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Case moves on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Ethan is on the stand, saying that he and Mia
were both crying and she said that he could handle
it and she couldn't. She said he was strong and
she wasn't. Then she kissed him and led him to
the bed. And then like Arlene goes up bit of
the old consolation sex and there's an objection, and Ethan
admits he slept with her and says she did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Not bite him off. It was her idea. Now he
knows why.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
And it was also she could claim he raped her,
and this time she would have evidence and her uncle
could lead the charge. And he's like, I don't know
what I did, do you, Mia? But I don't deserve
this and Mia looks furious. Stone's turn and he asks Ethan, like, so,
what were you studying in college?

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
He says pre med.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
He was going to be a neurosurgeon, but that's all
gone now, and he goes, oh, you don't think you'll
be acquitted, and he goes, doesn't really matter. I'm already
wearing the scarlet R. Friends won't talk to me. I
applied to six places since I got kicked out. None
of them are taking me. I got a seven hundred
on my essatmy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
That's what's annoying about this too, where it's like it
actually doesn't hurt. That's not believable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, we wouldn't let the man or he couldn't do
anything like that shit I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Went around with a scarlet R.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
It's like we all know people who have ripped people
and they don't walk around with a scarlet R.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Like some people say, oh, that guy's a rapist, like
p did he has people out there being like Celevia
Justice for pay Didy. Yeah, like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, that's what's unbelievable at this moment, Like he probably
will wait again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah, like this guy, this kid could not go to
college for a year, probably reapply and no one will
notice anymore. That that's you know, like and he'll be
back in college. But but he goes. Once the PC
police get their fangs into you, it's over. And that's
like really kind of I feel like what this episode
is trying to shit on a little bit is these
boys that have these like you know, the anti PC

(01:12:11):
like people and this is like, again, what this episode's
from what twenty eighteen? I guess we were that was
around me too, and that was around Uh. Woke is
starting to get a bad connotation and this and that,
But yeah, what were you gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
And that's another thing that's not real. Even whoa you
can't say anything, you can say everything, yeah, or even
like the Sydney Sweeney At it's like, oh, these woke people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
It's like it's not it. It leans Nazi. I don't
know there are historical context. I'm not like overly sense it.
I'm not offended by it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I'm just like, wow, we're a Nazi fascist world, and
that's what's gonna be happening. The hill House dresses, the
trad it's all the same thing. It's the country, it's
the patriot Like, I don't know why the context of
what this is. I'm not offended, but I know that
it's a sign of fascism.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, Like free speech is about not going to jail
for what you say, Like you're not no one ever
said you could say whatever you want in this country
with impune that will end And guess what the people
that yell about woke NPC are not going to care
when the people that speak out against this administration you
get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Yeah allah Colbert, Right, no one's saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
No one's coming to talk about Colbert. What I was
gonna say is, for some reason, we didn't mention that
this girl has been in multiple sviews. Oh so she
plays this character again in a later season. But she's
from Daddy DearS, She's from the fucking James Vanderbeet And
this actress I should have mentioned earlier. The one that's
playing Mia is named Ryan Shane, and she's in Banshee

(01:13:48):
and a bunch of other stuff, and she is uh
in another SVU. She's in Daddy Dearest, which Lisa points
it out is the James Vanderbeet episode. And then she
also comes back as Mia A again in Promising Young Gentleman,
a season twenty three episode. I think this actress is great,
but I just don't think she looks like Carisi or

(01:14:08):
Teresa CARESI like they just she's got like a freckly look.
She just doesn't have the Italian thing going on. But
I think she's very talented, and that's huge. I mean,
an SVU three episode girly. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, this
guy is like, you know, oh, like the PC police

(01:14:30):
are gonna get you. And then it's all over all.
It takes is one girls to say, girl to say
you looked at her funny, but he's like, but you
did more than that, and he goes why because she
said so. He's like the first night we were in
it together, even her uncle said I didn't rape her.
And then Stone realizes like, I'm gonna start gassing this
kid up. This kid's like a fucking socio, like even
if he didn't do anything wrong the first time, like,
he's crazy. And he was like, you were railroaded and

(01:14:52):
the bleeding hearts didn't believe you and you were pissed
about it, and he's like, damn right, they wouldn't know
the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Truth of it slapped them in the face.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
And then and he's like, and then you went to
me as the second night you planned to tell her
how pissed you were, and Arlene objects, but the judge
over rules it's like, I guess you shouldn't have been
such a bit the judges and not on your side, Arlene.
And now he's like he just lets Ethan go on
this fucking ramp where he's like, fuck the school, fuck
their honor code.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
They don't know shit about honor. I was labeled a rapist.
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I might as well be a rapist, okay, And he's like,
and who better to rape than me? And Marino is
what Stone says, and the guy goes, that's right. The
bitch ruined me, and I got to ruin her. And
it's like, I don't know. I just like don't know
if you get really get people to fucking blow up
on the stand like that and like like truly admit
to everything. Like I could see this guy saying this
to his friends and then getting him on tape. I

(01:15:39):
don't know if he's like doing it right in front
of his pricey lawyer and his parents. But then you know,
next scene, very unsupprised, he's like, you do have it
in Yeah you are a rapist? Yeah yeah, yeah it
was there. And also it's like yes, maybe she like
said the word yes, but like like this is a
boy that was not taught to like look at your

(01:15:59):
partner's and see if they're having a good time. Because
I bet you that Mia Marino did it look like
she was having a good time. So then very unsurprisingly,
the verdict is read out loud by the jury foreman
and it is guilty because he just confessed on the
stand again Like, I don't even know why we're going
to the but somehow, so, somehow, the squad still won
what seemed like an impossible case. And we hear Arlene

(01:16:22):
say to the guy to Ethan, it's okay, will appeal
and that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
He'll appeal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
This kid will appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal
until he's out. Like that's just like what will happen.
I feel like that's what happens with everybody rich, unless
there's like video of you murdering someone. You just appeal
and appeal until you get out, like if you're rich.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Yeah, it's the Bill Cosby.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, Like they're just gonna figure out a way so
in then, I mean, he does have to go to
jail until the appeal though, so that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
In the next scene, Live.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Walks up to Stone's office, knocks, he says, come in,
and when he comes in, when she comes in, he's shirtless,
but like in the middle of putting a shirt on.
But we do see the Gore just Torso and Live like,
why wouldn't he wait to let her in exactly? Why? Yeah,
that's like incredible and Live goes sorry and he goes,
it's okay. There's a time for work and not work.

(01:17:10):
And I remember always thinking that these two were gonna fuck,
and then I couldn't remember why, Like after we started
this podcast, I was like, why do I always think
that I thought Stone and Benson were going to be something.
And it's like when you rewatch, you're like, yeah, he
sits her down and tells her what an amazing woman
she is being a lieutenant and having a single child,
and then she he goes come in while he's like naked,

(01:17:31):
you know, like I think there were some hots going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
They just always have to set the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Yeah, j for just In case Y, Yeah, totally totally,
and like that's fun like for us to be like
always there's something there, you know, Like I think I
thought there was something there with every single man. I
think there was something there with Tomorrow. I thought there
was something there with barbar Like never Barbi. Actually I
never got that. But so she was like, thank you
so much for not being like too harsh with Korea.

(01:18:00):
See and he's like, says something cute, and she goes,
so that's the plan. You're just gonna charm your way
into our hearts and he goes, it could work. She goes,
we're NYPD detectives. We can see through charming. And before
she leaves, he tells her, Hey, I heard Noah likes baseball.
I can get him all the Mets tickets he wants,
and she goes, you are good, but like, knowing Noah,
he's probably gonna like rip up the tickets in front

(01:18:21):
of her and go, I like the Yankees, you dumb bitch,
Like I just you know, can see it. But back
at Hudson you Carisie is helping Mia pick up her
stuff and she wants to know what's going to happen
to Ethan and CARESI figures he'll get seven years and
she's like, in prison, this is all my fault. And
she's like and Cariese's like, whatever you did, you didn't

(01:18:43):
deserve what he did to you. And we find out
that she hasn't told her mom that she's leaving school yet.
I do kind of feel like the school might suspend
her for like the false allegation, being like no just
knowing colleges, they'd be like, well you did false like
you falsely go through a tribunal and get a student
like punished. But and they're like, oh, have you told

(01:19:03):
your mom that you're leaving school? And she's like no,
she wants maybe go to school with pneumonia. And he's like,
you deserve some time off. I'll help her break it
to you. And then she's like, he's gonna she's gonna
hate you too when he goes she's my oldest sister.
She's supposed to hate me. And then he's like, you're
gonna be good. He tells you you'd be good, So
like that's the end, and that's dick wolf Baby is careesy,
like just trying to pick up the pieces of his

(01:19:26):
nieces And uh, I hope that she is okay. I
forget what her part is in promising young gentlemen. One
family so much drama.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah, we same with Amrrow, Like I feel like all
their families just have a lot of shit going on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, Rollin's yeah, rollins.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Hold on, am I saying something really obvious that we
all know and have known and talks about, like they're
all their families are really fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, but I feel like, uh, kind of everybody's family
is fucked up. But also, if you're gonna do TELEVI
if you're going to be a television character for like multiple,
multiple seasons, they're gonna keep big Because I remember thinking like, oh,
Stabler's probably boring, right, And then like the more you
get into Stabler's backstory with with OC, You're like, oh,
Stabler had kind of a fucked up childhood, Like I

(01:20:14):
think you like shot a gun when he was a
kid or something and did something bad.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
But I don't know. Uh so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
They got to keep digging, but I don't know anything
about the real case. So take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I'm here and I will take it away. It is
the case of Nikki Yovino. Sacred Heart University in Connecticut,
fair few. Yeah, I knew people that went there, and
what's the scoop? What I think Connecticut's Sacred Heart scoop?

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
It kind of already It always felt to me like
kind of it was mostly girls I remember that went there,
and they always went. It was like girls that you
could feel wanted to stay closer to their parents, you
know what I mean, Like it was it was that
kind of vibe like I'm gonna go to Sacred Heart.
It's close by, you know, but I don't really know
anything else. I just assumed it was religious, So well,
yeah Sacred Heart.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, no, I applied.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
To a Long Island woman, uh falsely accused two black
football players of rape. And so the racial element does
come into play that it doesn't in this episode. It's
like cause I'm like, no one false accused it. Like
that doesn't work. It doesn't work. And it's like, well,
it does work if it's white woman, black man, Like

(01:21:32):
that's just like a historical and current truth. And so
then that that is that's another layer to everything. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Emmitt Till. But the way the episode is, it's like,
no way, but they've had episodes. I think that man
deciphered is the one who falsely accused.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Oh yeah, black suits. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Her husband said that she wants to do this podcast,
Like what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Maybe I'll message him from our account, let's see. Yeah, okay,
all right, you heard it here. First, This is r
up against. This is a up against. I mean I
would die if we talk to her. I mean she's
always promoting something. She works a lot, she works so much.
She's so talented and good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah, and she's one of the people that in architectural
digest brags about the kinds of wood that she has
in her home.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I don't know if you've seen those.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
I haven't montage.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
You haven't seen the montages.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
No, Oh, it's like a full montage of just like
I guess, rich people love to like brag about where
their wood is coming from, and so it's just like
almost every architectural digest and it's like, so this is
from a ship from the seventeenth century.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
And then I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Aaron Paul was like, we got these wooden beams from
the cabin flowing like flown in from Idaho. Like it's
all everyone's just always like this guitar is from Jimi
Hendrix's childhood dresser, Like everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Imagine that you can, like I just can't even imagine
doing like any kind of renovation on my home, let
alone making sure that every part of the renovation has
like history, you know, like I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
That just sounds so expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah, oh god, are you watching oc howswives? I know
I'm not all right, it's good, but there's such a
dumb bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Okay, So not fully. Everyone's complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Okay, she's not my least favorite, but I do hate
the way they talk about money so much, in the
way they do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
I'm over it. I'm over it. They should just move
out to Beverly Hills.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
She doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
We're having a no boo fifty thousand dollars party for
no reason, Like I just yeah, I don't know, but
I love the wealth of Miami, so like, I don't
know what my issue is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
I love the wealth but not Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Anyways, so she said she made up the allegations in
twenty so the allegations were in twenty sixteen. And then
she did say she made them up because she was
worried that her consensual. So there's a few like different
theories of what it was. So like one it was
that she was worried that this consensual encounter shared with
these two players would damage her relations and ship with

(01:24:00):
another student. And then others said it was like she
didn't want someone to be mad at her, like there
it was just like things like that, but she was
maybe dating someone didn't want it to come out at first,
she said she was raped by these two students in
a bathroom during an off campus party. It was a
Christmas party, and detectives believed her. Again I don't believe it,

(01:24:23):
but again the racial element. So there were and there,
but there were witness statements that corroborated her story, and
it appeared that the two students were going to be charged. Uh,
the hospital did a rape kit, and the hospital is
who contacted the police. But then another student came forward
and shared apparently like explicit text messages between her and

(01:24:46):
like the two male students, and this man also captured
part of the incident on his cell phone. Well, taping
a sexual encounter without consent is a crime, I believe, right,
so who taped it? This person or the player and
this other student knew And also texts don't mean anything.
So at this point it's like you people text after

(01:25:07):
they've been assaulted, Like texts don't matter to me. I'm
also just like confused where this incident cell phone situation happened. Well,
like it happened in a bathroom, So this person with
a cell phone was maybe like trying.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
To record like through the door or like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah, it's it's strange if someone was watching, I don't know,
did you and if and if she knew this evidence existed, Like,
you can't tape someone. I don't I don't know if
it's like called rape, but you definitely can't tape someone unknowingly, right,
that must be something. It's kind of like if taking
a condom off is rape, then like secretly taping someone's

(01:25:42):
probably rape.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
I guess I can look it up, but I didn't
think about it till right now. So police were like, hey,
here's some evidence. So they brought her in. This is
according to ABC Local six. So the police are like, hey,
so we have this evidence. And she could have been like, yes,
I texted whatever, but she she said she made it up.
The cop Captain Brian Fitzgerald told eyewitness news ABC seven

(01:26:06):
that she recanted immediately. She dropped out of school and
returned home to Long Island, And initially she was not charged,
but then after months of investigation, and it's like, but
why just drop it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Like what are these months of investigations?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
It's just like it's hard not to see the double
standards of like stuff, even though what she did was wrong,
It's like, really it's tough. But they said they had
no choice but to arrest her. And she was charged
with tampering with evidence, which is a felony, and falsely
reporting an incident, which is a misdemeanor. She said, though,
that she was pressured into confessing. So her lawyer Ryan

(01:26:42):
O'Neill said that she said that they had sex with
her against her will, but she never used the terms
rape or sexual assault, and it's like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
It well it is, but naw.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
And then her behavior and core one of the by
like the defendant's lawyers, said that her attitude at the
hearing was disgusting and she was given so many opportunities
to fix the situation but wouldn't do it. And that's
according to be Et. And basically she rolled her eyes
and made everyone mad. And I did see the eyroll photos.

(01:27:18):
She also like pursed her lips like MICHAELA. Mulrooney the
balance Beam when she got silver and was pissed, or
the vaults. I think she volts and so she I mean,
it's just an eye roll, But so a photo of
an iyroll looks bad, Like if she I rolled once,
I don't know if that's that bad. But she was
eye rolling and so it made everyone pissed, but she

(01:27:40):
did it plead guilty. She was sentenced to court August
twenty third, twenty eighteen, and she was sentenced to three
years in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Like this is where I get mad. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
So she only had to serve one year and then
the other two uhs were suspended as part of a
plea agreement to include three years probation. She wanted early
release from probation and they said no, and then you
have Brock Turner who gets three months. And so like
that's why these cases are hard to deal with because
she did something wrong, but then you can't. I just

(01:28:13):
there needs to be standard sentences where rapists can't get
less than a falsory vacusation. Yeah, because if you're saying
they're equal, they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
And it's like also sounds like something maybe did happen
that she didn't want to happen, but maybe she didn't
say no, And like I don't know that this doesn't
sound like cutting dry just made it up, but she
just made it up. She did hook up with these guys,
but they didn't want like a friend to get mad
that like probably liked one of them or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Okay, kind of like what happened in this episode, but yeah,
I go, there's more.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I don't know why I didn't put it up top,
but I have more reasons right now. Oh okay, it's chunk,
but like it would have made sense to say it sooner.
So the men's names are Demir Bradley and Malik Saint
Hilaire and I'm sure I'm saying that wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
I bet it's like French and fun. Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Men were never formally charged, so that's good. But they
did withdraw from school while facing possible discipline, and that's
because their council advised them to drop out and one
lost a football scholarship because of that. One of the
men did speak and made a statement in court. Malik
said that his life has been a rollercoaster duh, and

(01:29:22):
that he suffers from anxiety and PTSD and both men
plan civil lawsuits against her and the school. October twenty eighteen,
they sued her for alleged slander and infliction of emotional distress.
They accused the school of wrongly suspending them, but it
was concluded that the court did not abuse its discretion
and affirm the judgment in favor of the university. So
like one document said that all the motions were withdrawn

(01:29:43):
without cost to any party and against the suit. So
I don't think the school one worked and I couldn't
find information about the civil suit with her, But basically
I don't think they got any money or anything that
And their side of the story is that they told
the police that they had consensual sex with her at

(01:30:05):
an off campus party and that she lied so she
wouldn't lose a potential boyfriend. And then other sources said
she did it to get sympathy of a person that
she wanted to date. Either way, like there's no like
conclusion as to why or what or for who or
what she was trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Damn well. But she did go to the store. Yeah,
and she went to jail, which I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
They did drop out of school, but like there were
no charges. Ever, they're not on a list, like and
there's no articles about what happened. All the articles are
that she lied, so there's like no scarlet letters here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
But also but they.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Don't get more seriously immediately than if it was like, oh,
white dude, I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, yes, And but these are also like this is
these are like you know, men that were in school
and one on a skull that he lost, Like that
does that is that's terrible, Like that's not life ruining,
but that's life altering. You know, if if it was
completely he was like just thought he was having consensual
sex in a bathroom. Yeah, that is true, that is

(01:31:15):
you know, I do not want to diminish that. Yeah,
but I mean again the racial element that they're not
really touching in this SPU episode. But yeah, it's like
she should be punished.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It's like the wrong thing to do, and it makes
it hard wa YadA, YadA YadA. But it's like I
just can't believe that she gets more time than like
a brock Turner type.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
It's like really hard to digest that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
And then also what bothers me is like this is
used as evidence that women lie, but that men rape
all the time is not used as evidence is all
men rape or you know what I mean, Like it's like,
well women lie. I look, yeah, it's like, well if
we men every rapist, It's like, I don't you know,
It's just I feel things like this are used to

(01:31:58):
discredit women often, yet the stain of like men being
rapists and doesn't really do that to men.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yeah, totally, but that is a downer of a story
and pretty much of an episode as well. But we've
got a great guest to bring things up. Don't go anywhere, okay.

(01:32:26):
Our guest today is an actress who you may know
from the show's bansheet or Lights Out, but you know
her today as the conflicted niece of Dominic Caresi, Mia Marino.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Please enjoy our chat with Ryan Shane, a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Three episode sv icon. How are you today? Yes, that's me,
a member of the Kreesi Dynasty. To be honest, they
could ask you back at any moment.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
I would love to be back. I love that sets
so fun there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Yeah, but I don't have my man Warren light over
there anymore, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
So yeah, that's true. But there's a whole new showrunner
in the coming up, so and they finally got a lady,
so we're excited to see what happens, very exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
Yeah, Warren and I were friends.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
I was on a show he did called Lights Out
when I was in high school, so that's how I
knew him.

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
So he just brought me on.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Oh so yeah cool. Well, so I guess we could
start with you know, daddy dearest.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, wild episode wild episode.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
I will say I don't love watching myself, so I
just reread the synopsies and didn't rewatch.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
But I have like behind the scenes anecdotes that I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Can we would hear.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Yeah, we love to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
So it was in twenty twelve, I believe, or twenty
eleven maybe when we shot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
So it was a while ago.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
I was nineteen years old and maybe eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
Now I'm giving away my age.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
The best fact of this story is that Shannon Walsh,
who was the main girl we like met on that set,
didn't know each other. We just saw each other in
the dressing room. Then years later it turned out we
were in the same acting studio. We were not in
the same class. I had to do a makeup class.

(01:34:19):
I sat in on her class. She's like, oh my god, Ryan,
do you remember me.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
I was like, yeah. We became friends.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
Then I moved to LA, she moved to LA and yeah,
so now we're good friends. So and so at parties
when we like talked to people, they're like, how do
you know each other? We're like, we played sperm donor
baby Sisters on SPU when we were eighteen years old.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
So that is kind of the best. How do you
know each other's story? I feel that you could give that's.

Speaker 6 (01:34:46):
People get really confused when we say that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
We're like, it's for acting, it was for for you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
Yeah, And then on that set, I just remember it
was like the first time I had really held a baby.
I don't know if you guys remember that, seeing like
the babies head is as big as my head, and
I really didn't know what I was doing. So that
was a little I was like more nervous about holding
the baby than like acting, like being on set and
like knowing my lines and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
So those are.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
The only things I really remember. It's that was like
a lifetime ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
I know. But then they brought you back to be
part of the Coreesi fam.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
So this episode is like so intense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I feel like and like you're like you've got courtroom testifying,
like you're from the very beginning, like in you're collapsing
into your uncle's arms many times. How was working with
Peter Scanaviino. We've got a lot of our listeners are
very horny for him, And yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Just have to say, every single time I've been on SBU,
it's been so fun. Everyone is I'm sure other people
you've had on and have said the same thing. Everyone
is super easy to work with, super charming.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Peter is awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Like obviously what they do, they're down to a science there, right,
it's a machine.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
They go and they know their lines.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
They're they're learning their lines on the fly a lot
of the time because they have so much to do
the day before, and then they're learning their lines really
quickly on the fly. They're just they're pros and they'll
they'll drop into these heavy scenes the second it cuts.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
They're they're telling jokes, they're making each other laugh.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
I'm like, they are comedians and they should be featured
in a comedy next. Yeah, so Peter Marishka's hilarious, Like
they just have everyone cracking up in between scenes, in
between tapes.

Speaker 6 (01:36:37):
It's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
It's the most fun set. It is a well oiled machine.
Every crew member there is happy, Like I mean, a
couple of crew members have told me that the series
Rags treat them really well, like every Christmas they give
out lots of gifts and yeah, so it's just like
it's the best show to work on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
So yeah, so what's your vibe do you go in
and out?

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Can you joke around? Are you very like you got
to be in it? What's no?

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
I can go in and out, but for like the crying,
I have to be I have to like have like
thirty minutes before the crying to be by myself and
get in the zone. This is like the best story
I could give behind the scenes forsview is that I'm
a huge, diehard Eagles fan.

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
I hadn't worked for almost a year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Of course, I booked this episode right when the Eagles
win the Super Bowl, and so I watched the Super
Bowl on a Sunday in New York when all my
friends were back in Philly watching it because I couldn't
go to Philly because I had a six.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Am call time the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
I had worked the whole week previously shooting, and I
became friends with the crew who are all Giants fans.
Giants hate the Eagles, so there was a lot of
shit talking about her. And I came to set Monday
morning after the Eagles won, and I was like, super
Bowl champions, baby, and I get joking around, laughing like okay,
now you have to get on the stand and cry
about being raped. It's like I have to do that

(01:38:06):
so uh so that that is probably like just to
my own horn for a second. I don't think I
could ever go from super happy to super sad so quickly, but.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
Like that was a true test that day.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Yeah, when your team wins and then you have to.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
I mean I was on cloud nine and then they're
like you need to be sad. I'm like, okay, let
me just think of really dark shit right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Now, Susie, lets you have it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
Yeah, she's amazing too.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
She's so funny too, Like I'm telling you, when they
say cut, it's a it's yeah, it's like stand up
comedy in between takes.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
And then you got to do like a lot of
intense like face to face with Marishka in your little
pink bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
How did that all go? Your butterfly poster on the wall.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
And yeah, I do remember being quite nervous for that
because it's Marishka, and I think I do think that
was my first scene with her on that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Fun fact, so Warren and I knew each other from
a show he did, lights Out. He also brought in
Norberto who directed that episode, who was a big director
on Lights Out. I think he did, like he did
multiple episodes, so we all knew each other. So it
was really nice to be on Narberto's set because I
like already knew him.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
I felt comfortable and stuff. So yeah, I was a
little nervous, but like great, She's so sweet and she's
so kind.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
She like and she knows that you know, this is
a big moment for an up and coming actor to
be on SVU. So she like I remember her putting
her hand on my leg and be like, you got this,
It's good. You're all good. And every time I've been
on the show, every like after every scene, she'll she'll
be like, you were fantastic. I hope to see you
again soon, and like she's just so nice and personal.

(01:39:55):
And then another Tibeth, when she's out on the street
and there's fans, she like goes over and says hi
to the and like takes pictures. I mean, everyone is
just so cool and that's a it's really like the
real New Yorkers just like cool, funny, down earth people.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
And you like you were on you were a regular
on Banshee for like a bunch of seasons as well. Yes,
so I was on that show for four years.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
And you were pretty young also, you were playing like
a teen.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
Yeah, so I was on that from when I was
eighteen to twenty two and then I'm still good friends
with a lot of the people from that show. And yeah,
I'm mostly writing now, writing and trying to produce my
own stuff and shopping things around in La.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
So what kind of things do you want to do
writing wise?

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
I have a writing partner.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
We're doing a lot of like horror and dark thriller
type stuff for film, so we're starting out with that.
So we have a couple things in the pipeline, one
about like very sv ask girls stalked by a guy
if she meets on Hinge and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, just you know inge stalker.

Speaker 6 (01:41:09):
Yeah, so we have we have a couple that were
shopping around.

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
We have a few exciting meetings actually next week, so
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Are you a theater girl like Warren Light?

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
I grew up doing theater.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
I'm I'm really not acting as much anymore, so it's
more the writing. I mean I still audition and do
things here and there, but it's more the writing focus
right now. And yeah, I have a normal job as well,
so just you know, juggling all the hustles as one does.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Want to share your normal job.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
It's so boring.

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
I'm a marketing manager for a pharma pharma tech and
machinery company.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Is your job flexible for when you book and stuff
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
Yeah, so I work remotely and I mean able to
like audition and write and stuff on the side. But yeah,
it's a fine balance. I'm still learning to manage it all.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
But that's great. That's that's good to have a flex
job when you're trying.

Speaker 5 (01:42:11):
To I'm very I'm very thankful for that, and it's
nice I can like turn off my creative brain and
just focus on like corporate monotony.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Do you do a lot of spreadsheets?

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
Yeah, I have Excel sheets and different documents and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
I love a spreadsheet.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
It's very calming. It's super calming. Like I feel very
accomplished when I have all my spreadsheets.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
You're an organized gal? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
I in certain ways? Yeah, in certain ways.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Other ways, no, like my Yeah, my room isn't always
the most organized, but my spreadsheets are organized, and that's
what matters.

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
No one's judging me on my room.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Did you like did you get into acting like as
like a little.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
Kid, Yeah, I was like seven or eight.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
I was doing regional theater and then commercials and then
film and TV. And my my first big thing was
Lights Out with Warren. I wasn't Yeah, So I did
some movies before then and then and then Banhi was
the next big thing. So then I've done little pieces
here and there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
I'm curious about Crying Girl, and Francisha.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
Mus said, yeah, what a great movie. I rarely watched myself,
but I love that movie so much. Yeah, that was
a weird. So I was eighteen. I just moved to school.
I went to Barnard in New York and yeah, and
then my agents were like, you have this audition. There's
no lines. You just have to go in and cry.

(01:43:48):
It's like, okay, did it got it?

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Then Noah Bombach he had like it was a ten
person crew. It was no one.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
They were like, meet us on this cross street in
Midtown at this time, and we're going to drive you
to Vasar College. So I told my parents at eighteen,
I'm like, yeah, I'm getting in this stranger's car.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
I had to go to Schenectity.

Speaker 5 (01:44:10):
Yeah, in the middle of nowhere. I remember I really
had to use the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
There was nowhere to go.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
He pulled out of the side road and I ran
unto a bush and then I got there and there
was like no hair, makeup, no wardrobe, Like I had
to provide my own wardrobe, and I ended I ended
up wearing Barnard's sweatpants in it that you can't see
in the shot because it's on the other side of
my leg. But then Greta was like I went to
Barnard and I was like, oh, cool, awesome. So we

(01:44:37):
kind of bonded over that for like two minutes, and
then I had to be serious and cry.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
So yeah, I just sat in a Paul and cried,
and then they drove me back to school.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Wow, And that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
But like looking back, I'm like, how did my parents say, Yeah,
that's cool, just get in this random dude car just
a dud what I mean in the car driving out?

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Two hours? Yeah, So it was cool.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
I got to work with Greta and No and they're awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
And then like a year later, I ran into Know
on Columbia campus because he was like shooting something or
he was there for some reason. I was like, hey,
do you remember me? He's like, crying, girl, you made
the cut awesome. I'm sure like in post he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Seeing your face.

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
A million times, like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
That's so.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
That was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
And he knew to say you made the cut. Wow.
I like that interaction.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Yeah, he was cool. They were both cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Well I hope I still see one of your horror projects,
because well Caroen doesn't do horror, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Depends on the more thriller than horror. I'll go. But
like if it's just a blood bath, I can't really
get involved.

Speaker 5 (01:45:41):
We have some blood bath. He ones very bad she asked.
I don't know, you shouldn't watch Badgie. It's a lot
of blood, but okay, and then we have more thriller
like the stalk or the creepiness and you know, attempting
to be gone girl, but you know everyone's doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah, well that's awesome. Well we'll keep an eye out
for all that stuff. Thank you for talking to us.
I mean, if you have any more little tidbits before
we let you go, h.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
No, just sp is a great place to work. And
yeah you guys should, yeah, try to get.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Bring you back as like the little babies, like babysit
for the little baby Kreese and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
And yeah, I will love to come something goes on,
I would love to come back. If you end up
getting that new showrunner on, just tell her that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
We got we got lots of more more Mia Marino, Yes, please.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
A ways.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Always these guys so much drama in their families. Cares
tomorrow stay, their kids, their fathers, their nieces.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Yes, it's like it's never ending with the men of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Sv well, all the men in SVU two are always
like like Stabler. It's like, oh my wife, Barbara, It's like,
oh my Aboila. It's careesy. It's like all my sisters,
you know, and with uh, with uh what's his name?
Tomorrow it was like Zara, Maria, you know everybody pretty much.
Do you remember my.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Dad was a criminal and his dad was at the wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah, we should do the dad the tomorrow dad rape episode.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Write that down, Casey tomorrow Dad rape episode. Please put
that in the notes. Wait, I don't know if they're
selling the merch.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I have to look, but so Matt and Bowen on
less coulch Teresa's and I think the girl from Hereditary
they call her Little Diva had come off.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
And they have a hat.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Matt was wearing a baseball hat on Instagram, and I
hope it's official merch.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I want Little Divahead come off so bad, give me
the merch, give me the marra is so okay, yeah,
little diva head come off. I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
It makes me so oh happy. Okay, Chris, let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Oh it's under Yep, it's on their merch. What I'm
seeing when I Google it? But maybe the link is old.
Let me make sure.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Why would it be old? I don't know, because Google
sometimes I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
I'm scrolling. I'm seeing all this other stuff. Oh this
is last Cult? Is this not Less Culture Rest? Yeah,
it's out of stock, but you can request more.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
I'm hitting yes please, And it's merched from the twenty
twenty five Lost Culture Rests Awards. Little Dad, it's so
guys are so funny. Okay, yeah, all right. So this episode,
I don't know, it's so complicated. Like I we talked

(01:48:42):
about it when we recapped it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Weird that Mio was like, well, I had to make
up a rape so that my roommate wouldn't be mad
at me, Like that's kind of weird. And then the
it's a weird episode it's a weird episode that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
The like, I don't really like that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
They they they've done tons of episodes that are really
great about how things are not black and white. There's
a lot of gray area, and this one was just
so weird, like, oh, there's gray area.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
And then it was like, nope, just kidding, it's totally
black and white.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
She said yes the first time and no the second time, like,
but who knows it's from a later season.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, he was
a rapist, like he we could sense the energy that
was rapiin.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
I was at the I went to the Skoky Backclot bash,
so I wrote a Ferris Wheel. You know, it's Fried Snickers,
a Depeche Mode cover band. It was that kind of
a fair and there were these teen boys and they
were cutting like they were joining this other group of
boys and cutting people, and was it weren't even charming

(01:49:47):
about it, Like if you're charming, I'm gonna let a
teen budget.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
But I didn't like their attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
And it took all of my energy not to be like,
excuse me, boys, we've been waiting, but I want children
to have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
But it's all like this is how we get serial killers.
These boys just do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah,
And because I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Don't know if you saw about Idaho Brian murder, there
were like complaints, like actual like written complaints about him
at school. A PhD professor was like, we cannot give
him a PhD or he will be a murderer. And
so I was just like that was in my mind,
and I'm like, this is where it starts. These fuck
turd teens.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
They're just cutting lines, caring and obviously they're spiraling, but
it is like that's who these people are, That's who
this boy is.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
It's like that's ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
It's also like the cultural thing we have of you
can't do anything until it happens, Like you can't like
just tell somebody we can't give you a PhD because
you're creepy. No.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
No, it was like that there was all of these
people saying they didn't want to be around him, Like
why can't that be enough? We've had thirteen formal complaints
that thirteen women don't want to be around you, and
you make them unkift about so you can't be here.
Why do thirteen women have to suffer because it's not illegal,
Like I.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Don't get I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I just so like it's like the same way as
you can go and say my ex boyfriend has been
doing X y Z and stalking me and doing this.
If he doesn't touch you or whatever, like then we
gotta wait till you get murdered, babe.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Sorry, Like you know, it's it's so annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
And it's like, I bet there's people that don't get
to be doctors and don't get to be PhD for
many reasons, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
It's like, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Think you'd be right for this position. Yeah, you like.
I I just don't unders. I don't understand how everyonet
to see uncomfortable like people he was interrupting people no respect, wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Like but specifically for women, right, It's just like, specifically
that's such a fucking read. But it's always so, it's
always the it's always the telltale sign of all of them.
I haven't listened to it yet, but Maren was on
Maren was on pod Save yeah, or he was just

(01:52:03):
talking to love it, I think maybe by himself. I
don't I haven't listened to it yet, but and I
actually don't really listen to those guys that much anymore,
But I like, I would listen to the Marin one. Uh,
and he was trying to talk about this documentary with
Joe about Joe Rogan guys and how they get into
Joe Rogan. I think it's called Elephant Graveyard. Is that
what it's called. And it's basically how these guys get

(01:52:23):
indoctrinated into like the menosphere of like Rogan and Uh.
I think Maren just said something funny, like anything that
only men like is probably not going to be good.
Like if it's something that only men like, it's not
going to be good. I was like, Oh, I love that, Yeah,
you know, so what I don't know. I don't know
what our post mortem is from this episode. It's like,

(01:52:44):
don't lie, don't lie about don't rape, don't but also
you should have enthusiastic consent. Oh I did write a
DA in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
I went to their website. I wrote a crazy message,
but basically, a cop raped a woman and the DA
doesn't want a pro isn't taking it to court because
he said no isn't some magical word?

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Yeah, so I guess saying no doesn't mean the yeah,
rape isn't like rape should be legal according to this DA.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I just think we need to teach the youth like
whoever you're having sex with should be having a time cheaf.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Chief Deputy Attorney Ryan Shaan s h a U M.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yeah, that's up there with you can't get pregnant from
rape and legitimate rape and all those other comments.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Yeah, it's like Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
It's so insidious and it's like the guys won't It's
it's like living in a twilight zone where it's like
you don't think we're people and all of the policy
and history and everything is evidence of it and you
ignore it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Yeah, yeah, whatever, tell us appos Morten.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Let's move on to what would Sister Peg do.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
This is our weekly segment where we give you, guys
resources or link you to a duck or something interesting
that will give you more information about.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
What we talked about in today's episode.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
And we've already pointed out like no you'r nine and
end campus Rape and the Hunting Ground documentary and stuff.
So this week where we'd like to point you to
the campus sexual Violence resource list on the website for
the National Sexual Violence Resource Center. There's statistics for campus
sexual assault preventative measures, campus policy information, information regarding the
correlation between alcohol you send sexual violence perpetration. Just it's

(01:54:41):
like a list of a lot of good information if
you're looking for more information, or if you happen to
work in higher ed and you know need resources. I'm
sure most colleges have this coverboard, but then again I
think some don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
As you know, many don't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
So for more information you can go to NSVRC dot
org and that will be post in our show notes
and as a story the day that these episodes come out.
And yeah, it's uh September second, which means it's the
beginning of school for a lot of people. My kids
now have already been in school for three weeks at
this point. I mean they were late, but they're classmates.

(01:55:16):
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lists of some of our that's messed up listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Also, and next week we will be doing Dare from
season nineteen, episode sixteen. If you dare Okay, Hulu Peacock,
have fun. Thanks for listening, Come see me live, Come
to Kara's show at the Bellhouse in September. XOXO forever

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