🏕️ Camp Mystic Flood Tragedy
- A devastating flood struck Camp Mystic in Texas, killing 27 people, including 16 young girls and the camp director, Dick Eastland.
- The Senator recounts a personal and emotional visit to the site, describing the destruction, grief of families, and the heartbreaking sight of children’s belongings scattered across the camp.
- Emphasis is placed on the historical rarity of such flooding at the camp and the community’s mourning and response.
- A call to prayer and support is made for the victims and their families.
🚨 Violence Against ICE and Law Enforcement
- The hosts discuss recent violent attacks on ICE and Border Patrol agents in Texas, including:
- A shooting in McAllen.
- A planned ambush in Alvarado involving fireworks and vandalism.
- The narrative strongly criticizes Democratic politicians and media rhetoric, blaming them for inciting violence against law enforcement.
- Specific quotes and actions from Democratic figures are cited to support this claim.
🕵️ Investigations into Brennan and Comey
- The final section covers criminal investigations into former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey.
- Allegations include false statements to Congress and possible conspiracy related to the Trump-Russia probe.
- The Senator offers historical and political context, including Brennan’s past vote for a Communist Party candidate, to frame him as ideologically extreme.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Ted Cruz Weekend Review. Ben Ferguson
with you, and these are the stories that you may
have missed that we talked about this week. First up center,
Ted Cruz was on the ground at Camp Mystic. What
did he see and what did he learn about the
flooding and the recovery efforts. Also a massive rise in
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threats and attacks on ICE agents. Who's to blame? Could
it be the leadership of the Democratic Party. We've got
their quotes and you can decide. And finally, the FBI
has opened investigations into John Brenham and James Comby. The
deep state that was in charge of trying to overthrow
the will of the voters to get rid of Donald
(00:42):
Trump now may be finally out accountable for their actions.
It's the week in Review and it starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I'll tell you, Ben, the most difficult thing I
did today, it is I went to Camp Mystic and
I went and walked to the grounds at Camp Mystic,
and I think it may be the most horrifying thing
I've ever seen in my life. You walk through and
actually as you walk through the river was calm and
(01:13):
peaceful and beautiful. But it rose, and it rose suddenly.
And I will say the press, I think, has been
less than clear and honest about how camp Mystic is
it is set up, because they've described it as saying, well,
the camps for the cabins for the young girls were
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down by the river bank and all of the other
cabins were up high. That's not accurate. And walking the grounds,
the cabins are all hundreds of yards removed from the
river bank. There's a lot of distance between the river
and where the cabin is, and the cabins are all
about the same elevation. There's some differences but not massive
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differences in elevation between the cabins at Mystic. And I
was talking with one of the longtime employees there who
said there had been a flood decades before and it
had gotten up, It had gotten up and crossed a
little bit of the ground, and it had come to
sort of the foundation of one of the buildings that
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was not a cabin, but one of the buildings closer
to the river. But it had never gotten close to
the cabins. So that's one thing to understand. People say, well, gosh,
this is prone to floods. Yes, but in the one
hundred years of Camp Missic, there'd never been a flood
where the water had gotten to the cabins. And in
this case, the water was eight feet deep in the cabins.
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Walking through and every building you could see the water line,
you could see the water line outside the buildings, and
it was eight feet deep. And in the cabins the
water shattered the windows, it swept the furniture out. You
looked in the cabins and every one of the cabins,
the furniture had been swept out. The windows were all shattered.
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And I got to tell you, look, there was one cabin,
it's called the bubble in, and it's a cabin at
Missed It where the youngest girls were. And outside the
bubble in were sixteen white crosses, and on each one
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of those was the name of a little girl, and
their names that we've read in the paper, their names
of little seven and eight year old girls, third graders
who lost their lives when one of the crosses was
for Dick Eastland, the camp director who drowned trying to
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save the girls' lives. And he had spent he graduated
from ut fifty years ago and had spent fifty years
of his life running this camp for girls, and he
was in his suburban. They showed me where he drowned.
It was a couple of hundred yards from where I
was standing. In the river. He was trying to save
the girls in the water swept him away and he drowned.
And the sixteen crosses reading those names. Two of those
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little girls go to school with my daughter. There are
third graders at our school. The parents of one of
those little girls lives a block away from me. And
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I'll tell you, I just knelt and wept. There were
families there. Ben There was a mom and dad who
was kneeling in front of those crosses, and they were kissing,
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kissing the cross and I stood back. I didn't want
to interrupt their grieving, but just watching them. The mom
came to that cabin, the bubble in and she just
broke down in tears. In front of every cabin, there
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were the children's belongings. There were trunks, there were electric fans,
There were slippers and flip flops and crocs. There were
teddy bears, there were stuffed animals everywhere. These are little girls,
and many of them have their names on them. And
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there were moms and dads picking through the rubble looking
for their girls belongings, and I I don't know which
of those moms and dads lost a daughter. We know
of twenty seven who were lost, and there may be more.
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There are eleven that are missing. And there were girls
picking through the rubble. I don't know if those girls
were campers themselves who had survived. I don't know if
they're siblings who had lost a sibling. But everyone is
walking around. Shell shock doesn't begin to describe it. They're
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up on the field. There was a field that was
basically a parking lot for the cars of counselors, and
the waters had thrown the cars on top of each other.
It's like they were matchbox cars, just flipped over. You
saw car after car after cars stacked on each other,
flipped on its side, flipped the over, tossed around the
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dining hall. An entire wall of the dining hall had
been ripped off. They had heavy wooden tables that filled
the dining hall. Every one of them had been pulled
out in the bubble, in which is where a large
percentage of the fatalities occurred. The water swept in and
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just pulled those girls out the windows. It seeing that
and I saw it first from the helicopter and you
could see all their belongings spread out. But then standing
there and reviewing it from the perspective of a dad.
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You know, I have helped my daughters pack their trunks.
I've you know, can't pick up every year you go
and pick up your daughter's trunk and it's a joyful time.
Our state is more mourning right now, Ben.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I tell you, for everyone listening and I say this,
just pray for the people that are affected. Pray for
the people in Texas. Pray for the families who are
still without their their loved ones. They're still trying to
find them. Pray for the moms and the dads who
are planning the funerals as we know people personally that
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are doing that and getting ready for that this week.
Pray for the moms. God, please pray for the moms. Yes,
and anything you can do to help with all of that.
There's so many different groups that are helping the people,
and Comfort and Kirk County and and and there are
people that need help. And we focus so much on
the kids, but there's a lot of elderly people that
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have been affected by this. There are a lot of
people that lost their lives and all their belongings, and
and and help any way you can with with all
of the nonprofits that are getting involved, that are that
are doing this, and and we're going to keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But I would just say, and Ben, I want to say, Ben,
I want to say three more things of encouragement. So
in Hunt there's a store that's kind of a focal point.
It's called the Hunt Store, and and it's right at
the junction of two of the highways. You go up
one highway to go to one of the big camps,
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you go up another highway to go up to Mystic
in Lahunta, and actually Hunta's right across the street from
the Hunt Store. The Hunt Store the flooded, the flood
utterly gutted it. It's it's just ripped out in a
hollow shell. I went and stopped at the Hunt Store
and just just visited people who were there gathering there.
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And they'd actually changed the sign where it said Hunt
Store and instead of Hunt Store, they change the sign
to read Hunt Strong. And you know, Heidi and Catherine
were at the Hunt Store last week. I mean, it's
(10:11):
I've been there dozens of times. The owners were there.
I just hugged them and they were just like residents
there who were just there mourning and grieving. And I'll
tell you there was set up. There was a giant
barbecue truck, all right. So this is a story that
is amazing that you're gonna like. It's a barbecue truck
from Rockport. Rockport is a town down on the Gulf Coast,
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and Rockport when Hurricane Harvey hit, it devastated the Gulf
Coast from from deep East Texas to south all the
way really to Corpus Christie. So that's a lot of
and Rockport is right in there. It's by Port Ramsas
and MS Pass and Rockport was devastated by Hurricane Harvey. Well,
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these guys, and these are big old Texans with big
old beards. They look like z the top. And they said, well,
you know when when Hurricane Harvey hit, there was a
group from Hunt, Texas, little town in the in the
hill country that came down to Rockport and set up
a food truck and fed us when we had lost
our homes. And so they got in a truck and
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drove up this giant smoker and griller and they were
just giving away free barbecue. And one of the things
that's really cool. I was at in Rockport several times
after Hurricane Harven. I was in all the towns up
and down the Gulf Coast, but I was at that
those food trucks. So I don't recall visiting with someone
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and hearing that they were from Hunt down in Rockport,
but you know what, in Rockport, they remembered that. And
that's something we see happening, just Texans coming together. The
Cajun Navy from Louisiana came and and we're there helping
people out. That was incredible, And I just had chance.
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I visited with a family, one dad who introduced me
to two little boys, and he said both of them
lost some of their closest friends in the flood, and
I just I said, you know, little kids, and they're
not much older than your boys. They shouldn't have to
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deal with death and loss at that age. But I'll
tell you, in that same parking lot at the Hunt store,
there was a car that had written on the back
of it a Bible verse written in like shaving cream
on the back window, and it was Isaiah forty three
too that says, when you go through deep water, I
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will be with you. And then that is Look, you
just asked folks to pray. Let me just underscore that
for the moms and dads who have a yearning, gaping
hole in their heart, I think there is no pain,
no agony like losing a child, and nothing will ever
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fill that hole. That pain will never go away. But
they need love, they need support, they need friends, they
need families to hug them, to hold them tight, to
just give them a shoulder to cry on and to
hold them up. And I got to tell you, this
is a time for the church. One of the reasons
Texas I think we are so resilient when facing natural
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disasters is because the church is strong in Texas and
you see, you see church a step. I started the
day actually by visiting with a number of chaplains who, look,
you want to talk about it was brutal on the
chaplains when you're dealing with moms and dads who've lost
their kids and they're just weeping. Even a chaplain of
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a man or women of strong faith, I mean it
rips your heart out to be with a parent and
who's lost a seven or eight year old daughter, and
right down from the Hunt store, there was a church
that had a big sign free barbecue, lunch, and dinner.
All are welcome. And that's what the church should be doing,
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is helping and clothing and comforting and taking care of
the needy, and that the church should always be doing that,
but especially in time of crisis.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
you can go back and listen to the full podcast
from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, Sinata,
I want to move to another big story, and that
is the rising threat that has just become oh so
real with federal law enforcement, and there was a shooter
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that ambushed Texas Border Patrol agents. Words from elected officials,
in my opinion, have major influence but also consequence. We
have seen time and time again right now Democrats coming
out and saying that Ice are evil, stand up to Ice,
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fight Ice. These are words coming from so many Democrats
that are actually elected to office.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, listen, as you noted, words have consequence, and we
have seen an awful lot of democrats. We have seen
the corporate media denounce Ice, called them Nazis, call them
them goose stepping fascists, and unfortunately that rhetoric fuels a rage.
It fuels a rage that that that we have seen
manifesting in violence over and over again leftists engaging in
(15:36):
active violence against ICE agents. So uh, just a few
days ago, an active shooter opened fire on ICE agents
in McCallen, Texas. And and and here here here's the
story from Fox News. Active shooter killed an attempt to
ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas. One McCallan police officer
(15:57):
wounded but in stable condition following a parent plan and
ambush at Rio Grand Valley facility. And here's what the
article says. An active shooter armed with tactical gear and
a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they
arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas
and the Rio Grand Valley on Monday. Law enforcement sources
say agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman.
(16:22):
No federal agents were hit, but one McCallen police officer
was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in
stable condition. Quote. This morning, an individual open fire at
the entrance of the United States Border Patrol Sector Annex
in McCallen, Texas. Both border patrol agents and local police
helped neutralize the shooter to the Department of Homeland Security,
(16:43):
said a statement of Fox News. This is an ongoing
investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared
as it becomes available. Now tell you, I have walked
into and out of that Border patrol facility in McCallen,
Texas multiple times. The fact that you have violent criminals,
and this is a criminal who lost his life because
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he showed up and wanted to shoot at law enforcement officials.
He was doing so. We don't know this conclusively, but
we can certainly infer that he was doing so because
he's been listening to the extreme rhetoric that these are Nazis,
and so he was like, you know what, if you've
got Nazis, let's kill the Nazis. That is the consequence
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of the unhinged and deranged rhetoric on the left.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right now, you talk about that rhetoric, let's give actual quotes.
House Minority Leader Kim Jeffries of New York said employed
people to quote fight the Trump administration in the streets
quote unquote. He also declared ice agents quote will be
unsuccessful and protecting their identities no matter what it takes,
advocating for docsing and putting their families at risk. Ice agents.
(17:52):
Representative Jaypow of Washington called ICE agents quote unquote deranged
and said it is quote inspiring to obstruct immigration enforcement.
Representative mc ivor of New Jersey, who was arrested in
charged with forcibly impeding and interfering with federal officers outside
Night's attention facility, incited her supporters to quote shut down
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the city because we are at war quote unquote, and
even the former vice presidential candidate of the Minnesota Governor
Tim Waltz, getting in on the action, called ICE agents
the modern day Gestapo. Chicago's mayor this past week, Johnson
accused the ICE agents of being quote unquote the secret
police and quote terrorizing our communities. And you add in
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Eric Swalwell of California, he said it was quote his
priority to ensure ICE agents quote are no longer faceless,
comparing them to some eighteen hundreds bank robbers or some
KGB officers in Russia. Words have consequences, and this is
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the rhetoric come out from some of your colleagues in DC.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, and not only do they have consequences with the
armshooter who was killed in McCallan, Texas. But in North Texas,
eleven people were arrested for plotting to ambush to kill
ice correction officers, and I want to read from this
story from the Daily Wire. Quote. Eleven people have been
arrested in what law enforcement officers described as a quote
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planned ambush of corrections officers at an ice detention facility
in Alvarado, Texas on July fourth. One Alvarado police officer
was shot in the neck during the attack and is
expected to survive. Quote. Early reports indicate that more than
a dozen massed individuals dressed in black arrived at the
(19:47):
Prairie Land Ice detention facility late Friday night and vandalized
vehicles and security cameras in the parking lots. CBS News
reported the individuals launched fireworks in an apparent effort to
lure lawn enforcement. On July fifth, Deputy Attorney General Tom
Blanche posted on x quote we are closely monitoring the
attacks on DHS facilities in Prairieland, Texas and Portland, Oregon,
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and are coordinating with USAOs and our law enforcement partners.
The Department has zero tolerance for assaults on federal officers
or property and will bring the full weight of the
law against those responsible. On Monday, acting US Attorney Nancy
Larson stated quote, We're here to tell you that late
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at night on July fourth, Friday night, at approximately ten
thirty seven pm, at Prairie Land Ice Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas,
ten to twelve individuals dressed in black military style clothing
began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at
the facility. That was part of an organized attack. Today,
(20:52):
my office has charged ten individuals with three counts of
attempted murder of a federal officer. Of the ten are
also charged with three counts of discharging a firearm in
relation to a crime of violence. Each of these defendants
faces a mandatory prison term of ten years and up
to life in prison. An additional co conspirator was charged
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with obstruction of justice and conspiracy for attempting to conceal
and destroy evidence in relation to the attack, and faces
up to ten years in prison. And she continued, quote,
let's discuss the incident. It was a planned ambush with
the intent to kill Ice. Corrections officers. Make no mistake,
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this was not a so called peaceful protest. It was
indeed an ambush. This is the violence we are seeing.
And it turns out when you call law enforcement officers
federal law enforcement officers that are keeping us safe, when
you call them Nazis, when you call them gesta lunatics
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on the left, hear that, and sadly, we are saying
over and over again, they are acting, and they're acting
with violence.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You look at even on Tuesday you had Democratic Senator
Padilla of California and Corey Booker New Jersey. They introduced
that legislation to require ICE officers to quote display clearly
visible IDs and not wear masks no matter what during
their enforcement operations, accusing quote the Trump administration of alarming
immigration enforcement tactics that have terrorized communities across California and
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the nation. And we know what the left has done here.
They want to dock these ICE agents. They're family members.
They've been putting their kids even online and posting. People
been posting their home addresses hoping that basically people go
after the ICE agents who are just doing their jobs.
That's how sick these people are.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, listen, there's a simple choice. There's a choice for
Americans all across the country. Who do you stand with?
Do you stand with cops? Do you stand with law
enforcement agents? Do you stand with the men and women
who risk their lives to keep us safe? You and
I both stand with them? Or, as the Democrats have chosen,
do you stand with illegal immigrants? Do you stand with murderers?
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Do you stand with rapists? Do you stand with child molesters?
Do you stand with Venezuelan gang members who are engaged
in human trafficking? Sadly, the Democrats and inexplicably, they've decided
to stand with the criminals and not law enforcement, and
we're seeing the consequences as before.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you want to hear the rest of this conversation
on this topic, you can go back and dow the
podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing.
I want to get back to the big story number
three of the week you may have missed, Sinata. I
want to get into this and get your reaction to
the FBI launching an investigation into John Brennan into James
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Comy over the Trump Russia probe. I think we need
to go back and just remind people of what they
were peddling that they knew was false. Basically, in my opinion,
it was. It was a coup attempt against the American
people who chose Donald Trump in sixteen to be their president.
They didn't like it, and they're like, no worries, you know,
we'll do what the least of page Peter Strucks were doing, right,
(24:12):
We'll fix it. We'll take care of it after the fact,
after he gets sworn in, and we're gonna go after
him and we're gonna undermine him. We're gonna get him impeached,
and that'll be all fine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, I got to say, this is an astonishing story.
John Brennan was the head of the CIA, James Comy
was the head of the FBI. Both of them are
right now under active criminal investigations. Here's what Fox News
has reported.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Former CIA director John Brennan and former FBI director James
Comy are under criminal investigation for potential wrongdoing related to
the Trump Russia probe, including allegedly making false statements to Congress.
Justice Department sources told Fox News Digital CIA director John
Ratcliffe referred evidence of wrongdoing by Brennan to FBI director
(25:00):
Cash ptel for potential prosecution, DOJ sources told Fox News Digital.
The sources said the referral was received, and told Fox
News to Digital that a criminal investigation into Brennan was
opened and is underway. DOJ sources decline to provide further details.
It is unclear at this point if the investigation spans
(25:21):
beyond his alleged false statements to Congress. As for Comy,
DOJ sources told Fox News Digital that an investigation in
the former director is underway, but could not share details
of what specifically is being probed. The full scope of
the criminal investigations that Brennan and Comy is unclear, but
two sources described the FBI's view of the duo's interactions
(25:44):
as a quote conspiracy, which could open up a wide
range of potential prosecutorial options. The FBI and the CIA
declined comment.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean, this is massive on so many different levels.
And John Brennan, by the way, he went on TV
on MSNBC, and it was pretty funny because it was
like he was just playing dumb and it was like,
I don't even know why they would be investigating me.
I don't know what they would be looking at. I
don't understand how this is even even a thing in
(26:19):
his own words, And in fact, I'm going to play
it because I want you to hear it. I want
to get your reaction. Here's John Brennan MSNBC after finding
out that he's the target of an investigation.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Believe if there is an investigation that people will be questioned.
I would be questioned about it. But again I've had
no contact from them. But again I testified in front
of many many congressional committees in the House and the
Senate over the years, and I continue to explain exactly
what we did during this process, why we tried to
make sure we stay true to our intelligence responsibilities and
(26:51):
that we were not going to do anything at all
to try to interfere in that election. And again, it
was a challenging time, but also one I think that
the the people who actually worked this, both in terms
of trying to collect intelligence prior to the election and
then the ones who put together intell assessment, they really,
I think showed the best of what the intelligence community
and what CIA is made of. So again I am
(27:14):
clueless about what it is exactly that they may be
investigating before.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That may be the fastest center I've ever heard John
Brennan speak on TV ever, and I've watched him a
lot over the years. That seemed like a very nervous
man to me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, then let me give a little more background on
who John Brennan is. He was the director of the
CIA from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen under Barack Obama. Now,
in nineteen seventy six, John Brennan was a young man.
Nineteen seventy six, you were not alive, Is that right? Ben?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I was not.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now, now you're enough of a political student and scholar.
Let me ask you who were the presidential candidates in
nineteen seventy six?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Jimmy Carter? Yeah, all right, and on the Republican side.
I love when you play these games with me. M
did Reagan was Reagan seventy six as well?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No? No, he so Reagan ran, but he lost. It
was Ford, It was Ford. Ford was the incumbent presidents.
Remember Richard Nixon had been president. He resigned, so Ford
was the incumbent president. Reagan primary Ford, but he lost
in that primary. So the general election was Gerald Ford
versus Jimmy Carter. Now, let me ask you, all right,
(28:30):
in that election, who would you vote.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
For, I'm gonna probably go with a Republican there, not
Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah. Look, although I will say, and by the way,
do you know this is my first political memory. I'm
about ten years older than you are. My first political
memory is when I was five years old, nineteen seventy six,
and my mother voted for Jimmy Carter. My mother is
a strong conservative. She just thought Gerald Ford was an idiot.
And I remember my father, my father, who's an immigrant
(28:57):
from Cuba. He was not yet a US citizen today,
but he was not in seventy six, and my father
was furious because he felt like my mom had the
family's vote and she voted for Jimmy Carter. It's funny.
My mom is ninety now, and she's incredible and a
wonderful conservative and incredible person. But when I bring this up,
she's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Jimmy
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Carter was an absolute disaster. He was a left wing wacko.
He was the worst president this country had ever seen
until Joe Biden. Joe Biden managed to be worse than
Jimmy Carter. Now, how is this relevant to John Brennan, Well,
John Brennan was in college at the time. He was
faced with a choice between Gerald Ford and ultra left
(29:43):
wing crazy Jimmy Carter. What do you think, John Brennan.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Did, I'm ready give me the punchline here.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
He cast his vote for a guy named Gus Hall.
Do you know who Gus Hall was?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
He was the presidential candidate for the Communist Party USA.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And there's your sign.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So John Brennan decided Jimmy Carter is two right wing
for him, and he voted for someone who I'm not
calling him a communist. He was the nominee of the
Communist Party. And John Brennan said, I want America governed
by a communist president. That's who Barack Obama put in
charge of the CIA, and that's who was played an
(30:28):
integral role in orchestrating the whole Russia Gate fraud. And
it's just it's important to understand just how extreme and
radical this guy is. I got to tell you, I
don't know. To be honest, I don't know anybody else
in public life who thought Jimmy Carter was too conservative.
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John Brennan is literally to the left of every Democrat senator,
every Democrat House member. Every single person I've ever encountered
in public life, the lefty loons, all voted for Jimmy
Carter except for John Brennan, who said, Nope, we need
a full on communist. That's who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Final question on this how concerned do you think these
two individuals should be about this investigation or is this
one of those moments where you say, Okay, yeah, there's investigation,
but I don't have to worry because nothing ever really
happens to us. When were the elites?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, listen, the greatest exposure they have is for lying
to Congress, because lying to Congress you're under oath, and
lying under oath that carries a prison sentence that carries
up to five years in prison. James Clapper, who was
the Director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama, I think
the evidence is very clear that he lied to Congress.
Whether John Brennan did, whether James Comy did, I think
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this investigation will reveal. It will depend upon There's no
doubt they were terrible heads of the CIA and the FBI.
Whether they committed criminal conduct or not, I think that
that is the purpose of this investigation. But I got
to say It is a big damn deal that the
former head of the FBI and the former head of
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the CIA are being criminally investigated for felony conduct. That's
what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Ted Cruz Weekend Review. Ben Ferguson
with you, and these are the stories that you may
have missed that we talked about this week. First up center,
Ted Cruz was on the ground at Camp Mystic. What
did he see and what did he learn about the
flooding and the recovery efforts. Also a massive rise in
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threats and attacks on ICE agents. Who's to blame? Could
it be the leadership of the Democratic Party. We've got
their quotes and you can decide. And finally, the FBI
has opened investigations into John Brenham and James Comby. The
deep state that was in charge of trying to overthrow
the will of the voters to get rid of Donald
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Trump now may be finally out accountable for their actions.
It's the week in Review and it starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I'll tell you, Ben, the most difficult thing I
did today, it is I went to Camp Mystic and
I went and walked to the grounds at Camp Mystic,
and I think it may be the most horrifying thing
I've ever seen in my life. You walk through and
actually as you walk through the river was calm and
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peaceful and beautiful. But it rose, and it rose suddenly.
And I will say the press, I think, has been
less than clear and honest about how camp Mystic is
it is set up, because they've described it as saying, well,
the camps for the cabins for the young girls were
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down by the river bank and all of the other
cabins were up high. That's not accurate. And walking the grounds,
the cabins are all hundreds of yards removed from the
river bank. There's a lot of distance between the river
and where the cabin is, and the cabins are all
about the same elevation. There's some differences but not massive
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differences in elevation between the cabins at Mystic. And I
was talking with one of the longtime employees there who
said there had been a flood decades before and it
had gotten up, It had gotten up and crossed a
little bit of the ground, and it had come to
sort of the foundation of one of the buildings that
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was not a cabin, but one of the buildings closer
to the river. But it had never gotten close to
the cabins. So that's one thing to understand. People say, well, gosh,
this is prone to floods. Yes, but in the one
hundred years of Camp Missic, there'd never been a flood
where the water had gotten to the cabins. And in
this case, the water was eight feet deep in the cabins.
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Walking through and every building you could see the water line,
you could see the water line outside the buildings, and
it was eight feet deep. And in the cabins the
water shattered the windows, it swept the furniture out. You
looked in the cabins and every one of the cabins,
the furniture had been swept out. The windows were all shattered.
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And I got to tell you, look, there was one cabin,
it's called the bubble in, and it's a cabin at
Missed It where the youngest girls were. And outside the
bubble in were sixteen white crosses, and on each one
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of those was the name of a little girl, and
their names that we've read in the paper, their names
of little seven and eight year old girls, third graders
who lost their lives when one of the crosses was
for Dick Eastland, the camp director who drowned trying to
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save the girls' lives. And he had spent he graduated
from ut fifty years ago and had spent fifty years
of his life running this camp for girls, and he
was in his suburban. They showed me where he drowned.
It was a couple of hundred yards from where I
was standing. In the river. He was trying to save
the girls in the water swept him away and he drowned.
And the sixteen crosses reading those names. Two of those
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little girls go to school with my daughter. There are
third graders at our school. The parents of one of
those little girls lives a block away from me. And
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I'll tell you, I just knelt and wept. There were
families there. Ben There was a mom and dad who
was kneeling in front of those crosses, and they were kissing,
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kissing the cross and I stood back. I didn't want
to interrupt their grieving, but just watching them. The mom
came to that cabin, the bubble in and she just
broke down in tears. In front of every cabin, there
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were the children's belongings. There were trunks, there were electric fans,
There were slippers and flip flops and crocs. There were
teddy bears, there were stuffed animals everywhere. These are little girls,
and many of them have their names on them. And
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there were moms and dads picking through the rubble looking
for their girls belongings, and I I don't know which
of those moms and dads lost a daughter. We know
of twenty seven who were lost, and there may be more.
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There are eleven that are missing. And there were girls
picking through the rubble. I don't know if those girls
were campers themselves who had survived. I don't know if
they're siblings who had lost a sibling. But everyone is
walking around. Shell shock doesn't begin to describe it. They're
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up on the field. There was a field that was
basically a parking lot for the cars of counselors, and
the waters had thrown the cars on top of each other.
It's like they were matchbox cars, just flipped over. You
saw car after car after cars stacked on each other,
flipped on its side, flipped the over, tossed around the
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dining hall. An entire wall of the dining hall had
been ripped off. They had heavy wooden tables that filled
the dining hall. Every one of them had been pulled
out in the bubble, in which is where a large
percentage of the fatalities occurred. The water swept in and
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just pulled those girls out the windows. It seeing that
and I saw it first from the helicopter and you
could see all their belongings spread out. But then standing
there and reviewing it from the perspective of a dad.
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You know, I have helped my daughters pack their trunks.
I've you know, can't pick up every year you go
and pick up your daughter's trunk and it's a joyful time.
Our state is more mourning right now, Ben.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I tell you, for everyone listening and I say this,
just pray for the people that are affected. Pray for
the people in Texas. Pray for the families who are
still without their their loved ones. They're still trying to
find them. Pray for the moms and the dads who
are planning the funerals as we know people personally that
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are doing that and getting ready for that this week.
Pray for the moms. God, please pray for the moms. Yes,
and anything you can do to help with all of that.
There's so many different groups that are helping the people,
and Comfort and Kirk County and and and there are
people that need help. And we focus so much on
the kids, but there's a lot of elderly people that
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have been affected by this. There are a lot of
people that lost their lives and all their belongings, and
and and help any way you can with with all
of the nonprofits that are getting involved, that are that
are doing this, and and we're going to keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But I would just say, and Ben, I want to say, Ben,
I want to say three more things of encouragement. So
in Hunt there's a store that's kind of a focal point.
It's called the Hunt Store, and and it's right at
the junction of two of the highways. You go up
one highway to go to one of the big camps,
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you go up another highway to go up to Mystic
in Lahunta, and actually Hunta's right across the street from
the Hunt Store. The Hunt Store the flooded, the flood
utterly gutted it. It's it's just ripped out in a
hollow shell. I went and stopped at the Hunt Store
and just just visited people who were there gathering there.
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And they'd actually changed the sign where it said Hunt
Store and instead of Hunt Store, they change the sign
to read Hunt Strong. And you know, Heidi and Catherine
were at the Hunt Store last week. I mean, it's
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I've been there dozens of times. The owners were there.
I just hugged them and they were just like residents
there who were just there mourning and grieving. And I'll
tell you there was set up. There was a giant
barbecue truck, all right. So this is a story that
is amazing that you're gonna like. It's a barbecue truck
from Rockport. Rockport is a town down on the Gulf Coast,
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and Rockport when Hurricane Harvey hit, it devastated the Gulf
Coast from from deep East Texas to south all the
way really to Corpus Christie. So that's a lot of
and Rockport is right in there. It's by Port Ramsas
and MS Pass and Rockport was devastated by Hurricane Harvey. Well,
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these guys, and these are big old Texans with big
old beards. They look like z the top. And they said, well,
you know when when Hurricane Harvey hit, there was a
group from Hunt, Texas, little town in the in the
hill country that came down to Rockport and set up
a food truck and fed us when we had lost
our homes. And so they got in a truck and
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drove up this giant smoker and griller and they were
just giving away free barbecue. And one of the things
that's really cool. I was at in Rockport several times
after Hurricane Harven. I was in all the towns up
and down the Gulf Coast, but I was at that
those food trucks. So I don't recall visiting with someone
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and hearing that they were from Hunt down in Rockport,
but you know what, in Rockport, they remembered that. And
that's something we see happening, just Texans coming together. The
Cajun Navy from Louisiana came and and we're there helping
people out. That was incredible, And I just had chance.
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I visited with a family, one dad who introduced me
to two little boys, and he said both of them
lost some of their closest friends in the flood, and
I just I said, you know, little kids, and they're
not much older than your boys. They shouldn't have to
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deal with death and loss at that age. But I'll
tell you, in that same parking lot at the Hunt store,
there was a car that had written on the back
of it a Bible verse written in like shaving cream
on the back window, and it was Isaiah forty three
too that says, when you go through deep water, I
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will be with you. And then that is Look, you
just asked folks to pray. Let me just underscore that
for the moms and dads who have a yearning, gaping
hole in their heart, I think there is no pain,
no agony like losing a child, and nothing will ever
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fill that hole. That pain will never go away. But
they need love, they need support, they need friends, they
need families to hug them, to hold them tight, to
just give them a shoulder to cry on and to
hold them up. And I got to tell you, this
is a time for the church. One of the reasons
Texas I think we are so resilient when facing natural
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disasters is because the church is strong in Texas and
you see, you see church a step. I started the
day actually by visiting with a number of chaplains who, look,
you want to talk about it was brutal on the
chaplains when you're dealing with moms and dads who've lost
their kids and they're just weeping. Even a chaplain of
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a man or women of strong faith, I mean it
rips your heart out to be with a parent and
who's lost a seven or eight year old daughter, and
right down from the Hunt store, there was a church
that had a big sign free barbecue, lunch, and dinner.
All are welcome. And that's what the church should be doing,
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is helping and clothing and comforting and taking care of
the needy, and that the church should always be doing that,
but especially in time of crisis.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
you can go back and listen to the full podcast
from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, Sinata,
I want to move to another big story, and that
is the rising threat that has just become oh so
real with federal law enforcement, and there was a shooter
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that ambushed Texas Border Patrol agents. Words from elected officials,
in my opinion, have major influence but also consequence. We
have seen time and time again right now Democrats coming
out and saying that Ice are evil, stand up to Ice,
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fight Ice. These are words coming from so many Democrats
that are actually elected to office.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, listen, as you noted, words have consequence, and we
have seen an awful lot of democrats. We have seen
the corporate media denounce Ice, called them Nazis, call them
them goose stepping fascists, and unfortunately that rhetoric fuels a rage.
It fuels a rage that that that we have seen
manifesting in violence over and over again leftists engaging in
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active violence against ICE agents. So uh, just a few
days ago, an active shooter opened fire on ICE agents
in McCallen, Texas. And and and here here here's the
story from Fox News. Active shooter killed an attempt to
ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas. One McCallan police officer
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wounded but in stable condition following a parent plan and
ambush at Rio Grand Valley facility. And here's what the
article says. An active shooter armed with tactical gear and
a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they
arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas
and the Rio Grand Valley on Monday. Law enforcement sources
say agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman.
(16:22):
No federal agents were hit, but one McCallen police officer
was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in
stable condition. Quote. This morning, an individual open fire at
the entrance of the United States Border Patrol Sector Annex
in McCallen, Texas. Both border patrol agents and local police
helped neutralize the shooter to the Department of Homeland Security,
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said a statement of Fox News. This is an ongoing
investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared
as it becomes available. Now tell you, I have walked
into and out of that Border patrol facility in McCallen,
Texas multiple times. The fact that you have violent criminals,
and this is a criminal who lost his life because
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he showed up and wanted to shoot at law enforcement officials.
He was doing so. We don't know this conclusively, but
we can certainly infer that he was doing so because
he's been listening to the extreme rhetoric that these are Nazis,
and so he was like, you know what, if you've
got Nazis, let's kill the Nazis. That is the consequence
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of the unhinged and deranged rhetoric on the left.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right now, you talk about that rhetoric, let's give actual quotes.
House Minority Leader Kim Jeffries of New York said employed
people to quote fight the Trump administration in the streets
quote unquote. He also declared ice agents quote will be
unsuccessful and protecting their identities no matter what it takes,
advocating for docsing and putting their families at risk. Ice agents.
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Representative Jaypow of Washington called ICE agents quote unquote deranged
and said it is quote inspiring to obstruct immigration enforcement.
Representative mc ivor of New Jersey, who was arrested in
charged with forcibly impeding and interfering with federal officers outside
Night's attention facility, incited her supporters to quote shut down
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the city because we are at war quote unquote, and
even the former vice presidential candidate of the Minnesota Governor
Tim Waltz, getting in on the action, called ICE agents
the modern day Gestapo. Chicago's mayor this past week, Johnson
accused the ICE agents of being quote unquote the secret
police and quote terrorizing our communities. And you add in
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Eric Swalwell of California, he said it was quote his
priority to ensure ICE agents quote are no longer faceless,
comparing them to some eighteen hundreds bank robbers or some
KGB officers in Russia. Words have consequences, and this is
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the rhetoric come out from some of your colleagues in DC.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, and not only do they have consequences with the
armshooter who was killed in McCallan, Texas. But in North Texas,
eleven people were arrested for plotting to ambush to kill
ice correction officers, and I want to read from this
story from the Daily Wire. Quote. Eleven people have been
arrested in what law enforcement officers described as a quote
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planned ambush of corrections officers at an ice detention facility
in Alvarado, Texas on July fourth. One Alvarado police officer
was shot in the neck during the attack and is
expected to survive. Quote. Early reports indicate that more than
a dozen massed individuals dressed in black arrived at the
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Prairie Land Ice detention facility late Friday night and vandalized
vehicles and security cameras in the parking lots. CBS News
reported the individuals launched fireworks in an apparent effort to
lure lawn enforcement. On July fifth, Deputy Attorney General Tom
Blanche posted on x quote we are closely monitoring the
attacks on DHS facilities in Prairieland, Texas and Portland, Oregon,
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and are coordinating with USAOs and our law enforcement partners.
The Department has zero tolerance for assaults on federal officers
or property and will bring the full weight of the
law against those responsible. On Monday, acting US Attorney Nancy
Larson stated quote, We're here to tell you that late
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at night on July fourth, Friday night, at approximately ten
thirty seven pm, at Prairie Land Ice Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas,
ten to twelve individuals dressed in black military style clothing
began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at
the facility. That was part of an organized attack. Today,
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my office has charged ten individuals with three counts of
attempted murder of a federal officer. Of the ten are
also charged with three counts of discharging a firearm in
relation to a crime of violence. Each of these defendants
faces a mandatory prison term of ten years and up
to life in prison. An additional co conspirator was charged
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with obstruction of justice and conspiracy for attempting to conceal
and destroy evidence in relation to the attack, and faces
up to ten years in prison. And she continued, quote,
let's discuss the incident. It was a planned ambush with
the intent to kill Ice. Corrections officers. Make no mistake,
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this was not a so called peaceful protest. It was
indeed an ambush. This is the violence we are seeing.
And it turns out when you call law enforcement officers
federal law enforcement officers that are keeping us safe, when
you call them Nazis, when you call them gesta lunatics
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on the left, hear that, and sadly, we are saying
over and over again, they are acting, and they're acting
with violence.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You look at even on Tuesday you had Democratic Senator
Padilla of California and Corey Booker New Jersey. They introduced
that legislation to require ICE officers to quote display clearly
visible IDs and not wear masks no matter what during
their enforcement operations, accusing quote the Trump administration of alarming
immigration enforcement tactics that have terrorized communities across California and
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the nation. And we know what the left has done here.
They want to dock these ICE agents. They're family members.
They've been putting their kids even online and posting. People
been posting their home addresses hoping that basically people go
after the ICE agents who are just doing their jobs.
That's how sick these people are.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, listen, there's a simple choice. There's a choice for
Americans all across the country. Who do you stand with?
Do you stand with cops? Do you stand with law
enforcement agents? Do you stand with the men and women
who risk their lives to keep us safe? You and
I both stand with them? Or, as the Democrats have chosen,
do you stand with illegal immigrants? Do you stand with murderers?
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Do you stand with rapists? Do you stand with child molesters?
Do you stand with Venezuelan gang members who are engaged
in human trafficking? Sadly, the Democrats and inexplicably, they've decided
to stand with the criminals and not law enforcement, and
we're seeing the consequences as before.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you want to hear the rest of this conversation
on this topic, you can go back and dow the
podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing.
I want to get back to the big story number
three of the week you may have missed, Sinata. I
want to get into this and get your reaction to
the FBI launching an investigation into John Brennan into James
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Comy over the Trump Russia probe. I think we need
to go back and just remind people of what they
were peddling that they knew was false. Basically, in my opinion,
it was. It was a coup attempt against the American
people who chose Donald Trump in sixteen to be their president.
They didn't like it, and they're like, no worries, you know,
we'll do what the least of page Peter Strucks were doing, right,
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We'll fix it. We'll take care of it after the fact,
after he gets sworn in, and we're gonna go after
him and we're gonna undermine him. We're gonna get him impeached,
and that'll be all fine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, I got to say, this is an astonishing story.
John Brennan was the head of the CIA, James Comy
was the head of the FBI. Both of them are
right now under active criminal investigations. Here's what Fox News
has reported.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Former CIA director John Brennan and former FBI director James
Comy are under criminal investigation for potential wrongdoing related to
the Trump Russia probe, including allegedly making false statements to Congress.
Justice Department sources told Fox News Digital CIA director John
Ratcliffe referred evidence of wrongdoing by Brennan to FBI director
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Cash ptel for potential prosecution, DOJ sources told Fox News Digital.
The sources said the referral was received, and told Fox
News to Digital that a criminal investigation into Brennan was
opened and is underway. DOJ sources decline to provide further details.
It is unclear at this point if the investigation spans
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beyond his alleged false statements to Congress. As for Comy,
DOJ sources told Fox News Digital that an investigation in
the former director is underway, but could not share details
of what specifically is being probed. The full scope of
the criminal investigations that Brennan and Comy is unclear, but
two sources described the FBI's view of the duo's interactions
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as a quote conspiracy, which could open up a wide
range of potential prosecutorial options. The FBI and the CIA
declined comment.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean, this is massive on so many different levels.
And John Brennan, by the way, he went on TV
on MSNBC, and it was pretty funny because it was
like he was just playing dumb and it was like,
I don't even know why they would be investigating me.
I don't know what they would be looking at. I
don't understand how this is even even a thing in
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his own words, And in fact, I'm going to play
it because I want you to hear it. I want
to get your reaction. Here's John Brennan MSNBC after finding
out that he's the target of an investigation.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Believe if there is an investigation that people will be questioned.
I would be questioned about it. But again I've had
no contact from them. But again I testified in front
of many many congressional committees in the House and the
Senate over the years, and I continue to explain exactly
what we did during this process, why we tried to
make sure we stay true to our intelligence responsibilities and
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that we were not going to do anything at all
to try to interfere in that election. And again, it
was a challenging time, but also one I think that
the the people who actually worked this, both in terms
of trying to collect intelligence prior to the election and
then the ones who put together intell assessment, they really,
I think showed the best of what the intelligence community
and what CIA is made of. So again I am
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clueless about what it is exactly that they may be
investigating before.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That may be the fastest center I've ever heard John
Brennan speak on TV ever, and I've watched him a
lot over the years. That seemed like a very nervous
man to me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, then let me give a little more background on
who John Brennan is. He was the director of the
CIA from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen under Barack Obama. Now,
in nineteen seventy six, John Brennan was a young man.
Nineteen seventy six, you were not alive, Is that right? Ben?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I was not.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now, now you're enough of a political student and scholar.
Let me ask you who were the presidential candidates in
nineteen seventy six?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Jimmy Carter? Yeah, all right, and on the Republican side.
I love when you play these games with me. M
did Reagan was Reagan seventy six as well?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No? No, he so Reagan ran, but he lost. It
was Ford, It was Ford. Ford was the incumbent presidents.
Remember Richard Nixon had been president. He resigned, so Ford
was the incumbent president. Reagan primary Ford, but he lost
in that primary. So the general election was Gerald Ford
versus Jimmy Carter. Now, let me ask you, all right,
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in that election, who would you vote.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
For, I'm gonna probably go with a Republican there, not
Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah. Look, although I will say, and by the way,
do you know this is my first political memory. I'm
about ten years older than you are. My first political
memory is when I was five years old, nineteen seventy six,
and my mother voted for Jimmy Carter. My mother is
a strong conservative. She just thought Gerald Ford was an idiot.
And I remember my father, my father, who's an immigrant
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from Cuba. He was not yet a US citizen today,
but he was not in seventy six, and my father
was furious because he felt like my mom had the
family's vote and she voted for Jimmy Carter. It's funny.
My mom is ninety now, and she's incredible and a
wonderful conservative and incredible person. But when I bring this up,
she's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Jimmy
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Carter was an absolute disaster. He was a left wing wacko.
He was the worst president this country had ever seen
until Joe Biden. Joe Biden managed to be worse than
Jimmy Carter. Now, how is this relevant to John Brennan, Well,
John Brennan was in college at the time. He was
faced with a choice between Gerald Ford and ultra left
(29:43):
wing crazy Jimmy Carter. What do you think, John Brennan.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Did, I'm ready give me the punchline here.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
He cast his vote for a guy named Gus Hall.
Do you know who Gus Hall was?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
He was the presidential candidate for the Communist Party USA.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And there's your sign.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So John Brennan decided Jimmy Carter is two right wing
for him, and he voted for someone who I'm not
calling him a communist. He was the nominee of the
Communist Party. And John Brennan said, I want America governed
by a communist president. That's who Barack Obama put in
charge of the CIA, and that's who was played an
(30:28):
integral role in orchestrating the whole Russia Gate fraud. And
it's just it's important to understand just how extreme and
radical this guy is. I got to tell you, I
don't know. To be honest, I don't know anybody else
in public life who thought Jimmy Carter was too conservative.
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John Brennan is literally to the left of every Democrat senator,
every Democrat House member. Every single person I've ever encountered
in public life, the lefty loons, all voted for Jimmy
Carter except for John Brennan, who said, Nope, we need
a full on communist. That's who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Final question on this how concerned do you think these
two individuals should be about this investigation or is this
one of those moments where you say, Okay, yeah, there's investigation,
but I don't have to worry because nothing ever really
happens to us. When were the elites?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, listen, the greatest exposure they have is for lying
to Congress, because lying to Congress you're under oath, and
lying under oath that carries a prison sentence that carries
up to five years in prison. James Clapper, who was
the Director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama, I think
the evidence is very clear that he lied to Congress.
Whether John Brennan did, whether James Comy did, I think
(31:44):
this investigation will reveal. It will depend upon There's no
doubt they were terrible heads of the CIA and the FBI.
Whether they committed criminal conduct or not, I think that
that is the purpose of this investigation. But I got
to say It is a big damn deal that the
former head of the FBI and the former head of
(32:05):
the CIA are being criminally investigated for felony conduct. That's
what's happening right now.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center,
Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal
with my podcast and you can listen to my podcasts
every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each
day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to
have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts,
and we will see you back here on Monday morning.
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