December 13, 2025 • 13 mins
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Fraud Allegations
- Claims Somali-American individuals and organizations misappropriated billions in taxpayer funds, especially COVID-era aid programs like school meal initiatives.
- References the Feeding Our Future scandal, estimating losses at $300 million and citing lavish spending (luxury cars, Maldives honeymoon, $270k cash box).
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Federal Investigations
- States the Treasury Department, IRS, and FinCEN are increasing scrutiny on money transfer services and businesses wiring funds abroad, particularly to Somalia.
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Terrorism Links
- Some funds may have reached Al Shabab, but no defendants have been charged with terrorism-related crimes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But let me also say a very special thanks to
all of the spouses and loved ones here tonight. You
make incredible sacrifices for us as politicians. I call myself
now a politician. None of what we absolutely do whatever
would be possible without you. And I want to thank
my great wife, my great first lady, for helping me.
(00:22):
But every single one of you have been helped by
your stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good Saturday morning. It's nice to have you with us
on the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got one
big story for you. The Treasury Department is now ratching
up its investigation targeting the Somali community for massive fraud
in Minnesota, and the governor there, Waltz, is fighting back.
What's his excuse now? He says, it's not his fault.
They've been sending me to terrorists. It's somehow AI's fault.
(00:53):
Operation Overlord the D Day Beaches. You and I share
a passion for history, so I hope you'll join me
spring on the D Day Beaches in Normandy. That's right,
the invasion that's sealed Hitler's doom. Oh maha, and Utah.
You're gonna discover the sacred patch of sand with me
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(01:14):
America's leading expert on France and the D Day Invasion.
Can chase fifty seven fifty seven and that includes your airfare.
You're going to stand at General Patten's grave site by
Stone Plint, Duhal and Mulberry Harbor. Call my friends at
Conservative Tours on your cell phone. Just dial pound two
fifty and say the keyword Conservative Tours, or go to
(01:37):
Conservativetours dot com. An A plus rating with the BBB
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to receive a one time auto dialed text message from
my Heart Media. It's the forty seven Morning Update and
it starts right now.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Story number one.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We've been talking a lot about important store, and that
is Somali refugees that are taking billions of dollars from you,
the taxpayer. We know just how much money and how
many of them are taking your dollars, especially in Minnesota.
Well now the Treasury Department is ratcheting it up with
investigations targeting the Somali community for fraud, specifically in Minnesota.
(02:22):
The Treasury Department targeting businesses they say that people use
to wire money to family members abroad. As the Trump
administration is investigating the fraud within Minnesota Somali community. The
Treasury Secretary of Scott Thes sent confirming on Friday now.
These new actions have been prompted by a series of
(02:43):
fraud cases, including a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future that
is accused of stealing pandemic aid meant for school meals.
Prosecutors have put the losses from the case at three
hundred million dollars. The Center's point to report by conservative
news outlet City Journal, which claims the taxpayer dollars from
(03:05):
defrauded government programs flowed to Al Shabab, an al Qaeda
linked militant group that controls parts of Somalia. The report
sides unnamed sources, and the allegations have not been substantiated.
Federal prosecutors have not charged any defendants with supporting terrorists.
On Friday, set on social media that the Treasury Department
(03:29):
will soon issue an order requiring money wire services that
people use to send money to Somalia to submit additional
verification to the Treasury. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, a
Treasury arm that combats financial crimes like money laundering and
terrorism financing, will also deploy to assist in the efforts,
(03:51):
the Treasury Secretary stated. He added also that the Internal
Revenue Service would also be involved in looking to firms
a Q of engaging in fraud. Additionally, Treasury personnel are
on the ground working hard to uncover the facts, he said,
about why so many American tax dollars have been going
(04:11):
to fraud, including going to terrorist organizations and the money
going literally back to Somalia. Now, Democrats were hoping that
this entire scandal would disappear. It certainly doesn't look good
for Democrats, including the governor in Minnesota, who knew that
this was going on. CBS even putting out a report
(04:32):
saying this way, as they're describing how bad the abuse is.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
A honeymoon in the Maldives, a fleet of luxury cars.
Here's a box with more than two hundred and seventy
thousand dollars in cash. This was all evidence from a
Neutrova files obtained exclusively by CBS News showing how a
group of convicted Minnesota fraudsters spent taxpayer dollars. One text
message reads, you are going to be the richest twenty
(05:01):
five year old were.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Not even at the end of the beginning of our
pursuit of the stolen money and of the people who
stole it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
US Attorney Daniel Rosen leads the office digging into the
wave of COVID era fraud that hit Minnesota. So how
much money are we talking about stolen from the American taxpayer?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I can say with great comfort, well and excessive a
billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
In the past three years, eighty seven defendants have been charged,
sixty one convicted. The majority of them are Somali American
Minnesota has the nation's largest Somali population. The perpetrators are
accused of ripping off state run programs intended to feed
low income kids, house the disabled, and provide services to
autistic children.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
This was a get rich scheme.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Andy Luger was the US attorney who first examined this fraud.
He left in January.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
One of the things we discovered is that a number
of the people involved we're buying investment property resort property
in Kenya.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Wire transfers reviewed by CBS News also show more than
one million dollars went to Chinese banks. The Trump administration
has said it's investigating whether any of the money fell
into the hands of terror groups like al Shabab and Somalia.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You listen to that CBS report and you can see
just how bad the corruption is. Not only how bad
the corruption is, but also the fact that there's been
a long history of it and the governor was looking
the other way. Tim Waltz now on Defense saying this
about the Somali community at a press conference today.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Do you want to hear.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
More from members of leaders from a small community to say,
we need to hold our we need to look at ourselves,
we need to call our own neighbors acout is look
at the damage that this is. Don tor he what
do you want to hear more from it?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Say?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I just saying, don't lay us. Do you want to
see more ownership and oversight from.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Look, it's not law abiding citizens. If that were the case,
there's a lot of white men. Should be holding a
lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they
have committed. I think for the community to maybe educate
their population, because I think what you're seeing here is
there are secondary victims in this that there's providers inside
the community that are then victimizing the community himself by
signing them up. Because when we're going to some of
(07:20):
these people, they're like, I had no idea I was
in this program. So I think it's asking us, then,
you know, for every crime, which of course the majority
being committed by white men, asking us to do more
about that. I think it's crime in general. And I
think the biggest thing on this is is just making
sure that we're educating the population. And again, this is
eighty people or so that have been convicted in this,
(07:42):
maybe some more in that out of a.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You listen to Waltz, there if some alli communities should
hold their own accountable, quote, a lot of white men
should be holding white men accountable. This is still a
governor that is trying to turn this into some racial
issue instead of a massive fraud issue. There is fraud
in the small community. They figured out how defraud the
federal government. The people that are coming into Minnesota are
(08:07):
understanding how to grab American dollars and send them back
home to not only family members, but to literal terrorist organizations.
Al Shabab. Tim Waltz saying this as well.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Connor, is the welch and spoiled or can you count
on flaw issue with the US Security's.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Office here and one hundred percent that well is not spoiled.
I would let Drew talk to that, and I'm going
to say that in the midst of what's very clearly
a vindictive attack on Minnesota from this administration, I will
say this, the bright point on this has been the
US Attorney's office, and you saw that when Andy Lueger left,
(08:47):
we never missed a beat to Joe Thompson and they
have been good point. I'll let Drew talk by that
he worked with them and we have talked about this,
and look, I have to assess this too. I understand
when I speak up it brings is Donald Trump's petty
vindictiveness to Minnesota, and this is all about coming and
attacking us. He didn't know anything about this. He doesn't
(09:08):
know how Medicaid program works. The only thing he knows
about is he going to double the cost over the
next week. But he doesn't know how these programs work
or anything about it. So he heard and somebody told
him the Somalis are stealing money and they're not doing
anything about throw it up there. That's not how the
US Attorney's office works.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You listen to Tim Waltz and he's saying it yet again,
this is vindictive. So all the waste, all the fraud,
all the abuse, sitting many to terrorists. Tim Waltz is
telling you, he's telling the American people, no, no, no, this
is really about vindictive Donald Trump. So then if that's
the case, why did moments later he say this.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So if you try and commit fraud Minnesota, and there's
folks out there listening right now, you are going to
prison eventually. I think the biggest thing on this is
is you'll hear from some of the experts here. Many
of these programs, especially federal medicaid and medicare plagues every state,
and when you set down and dig into this, it
takes weeks and weeks and weeks, and actually it takes
(10:08):
years to become experts in this. These are programs that
have been layered up in a spider web over the years.
That makes it incredibly difficult, and I think unwinding those
are bringing about the integrity. It's the reason why we're
seeing federal agencies under the Trump administration acknowledge the work
that's being done, acknowledge that these things are better, and
actually suggesting in other states when I talk to them
(10:29):
about implementing that, because they're going to deal with it.
COVID moved a lot of money very very quickly, and
our goal was to make sure we were moving that
money so that people ate that they were housed, that
they had vaccines. But it also opened up the door
to relax the guardrails and to have fraud be committed.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So there it is the governor yet again blaming everybody
else but himself, and that is why this has become
such a massive problem yet again, when there's very clear
fraud at a level that is a scan that is broken,
that is putting his governorship in real peril. He's saying
this is somehow just Donald Trump's fault. It's vindictiveness. But eventually,
(11:08):
as he describes, if you're breaking a law, yeah, okay,
you'll go to jail, and then immediately goes back to
playing politics. I look at this governor and he goes
back to say one final thing, giving another excuse for
why this happened. This time, he's not blaming the fact
that he and the people around him refuse to look
(11:28):
at the Somali community for what they are doing in
the crimes of committing No, no, you want to know
what he says. The real problem is, you know, he's
actually blaming for the waste, fraud and abuse and the
money going to terrorist organizations. He says, it's a I's fault.
I'm not joking. This is his final excuse.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Any amount of fraud is too much. That's where over
the last several years, we've made many systematic changes to
state government to both detect fraud and hold those accountable
after it happened. Year after year, we brought new ideas
to the legislature to stay ahead of the evolving tactics,
and they are evolving. AI poses immense challenges in the
fraud space. We sought top to bottom change in state
(12:10):
government to create stronger oversite. We leveraged outside experts, We
modernize technology, and hold criminals accountable.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So there it is a governor seeing billions of dollars
stowing from the American people and he says it's a
conspiracy and Trump is the problem by trying to crack
down on it. He then says it's not actually happening,
But if it is happening, eventually you will get put
in jail eventually, and then he says it's really AI's
problem that this is happening, not the government for allowing
(12:42):
it to happen in Minnesota. If you want to know
how broken Minnesota is, this is a perfect example of
it and exactly why the Treasury Department, the IRS, and
the federal government is involved under Trump's leadership, to stop
your tax dollars from going to this abuse and going
to Harris as well.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Thank you for listening to the forty seven Morning Update
with Ben Ferguson. Please make sure you hit subscribe wherever
you're listening to this podcast right now and for more
in depth news, also subscribe to the Ben Ferguson podcast
and we will see you back here tomorrow
But let me also say a very special thanks to
all of the spouses and loved ones here tonight. You
make incredible sacrifices for us as politicians. I call myself
now a politician. None of what we absolutely do whatever
would be possible without you. And I want to thank
my great wife, my great first lady, for helping me.
(00:22):
But every single one of you have been helped by
your stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good Saturday morning. It's nice to have you with us
on the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got one
big story for you. The Treasury Department is now ratching
up its investigation targeting the Somali community for massive fraud
in Minnesota, and the governor there, Waltz, is fighting back.
What's his excuse now? He says, it's not his fault.
They've been sending me to terrorists. It's somehow AI's fault.
(00:53):
Operation Overlord the D Day Beaches. You and I share
a passion for history, so I hope you'll join me
spring on the D Day Beaches in Normandy. That's right,
the invasion that's sealed Hitler's doom. Oh maha, and Utah.
You're gonna discover the sacred patch of sand with me
ten days in Europe, luxury hotels and fully escorted by
(01:14):
America's leading expert on France and the D Day Invasion.
Can chase fifty seven fifty seven and that includes your airfare.
You're going to stand at General Patten's grave site by
Stone Plint, Duhal and Mulberry Harbor. Call my friends at
Conservative Tours on your cell phone. Just dial pound two
fifty and say the keyword Conservative Tours, or go to
(01:37):
Conservativetours dot com. An A plus rating with the BBB
all your sight seeing in Paris. To dial pound two
fifty say the keyword Conservative Tours. You'll have the option
to receive a one time auto dialed text message from
my Heart Media. It's the forty seven Morning Update and
it starts right now.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Story number one.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We've been talking a lot about important store, and that
is Somali refugees that are taking billions of dollars from you,
the taxpayer. We know just how much money and how
many of them are taking your dollars, especially in Minnesota.
Well now the Treasury Department is ratcheting it up with
investigations targeting the Somali community for fraud, specifically in Minnesota.
(02:22):
The Treasury Department targeting businesses they say that people use
to wire money to family members abroad. As the Trump
administration is investigating the fraud within Minnesota Somali community. The
Treasury Secretary of Scott Thes sent confirming on Friday now.
These new actions have been prompted by a series of
(02:43):
fraud cases, including a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future that
is accused of stealing pandemic aid meant for school meals.
Prosecutors have put the losses from the case at three
hundred million dollars. The Center's point to report by conservative
news outlet City Journal, which claims the taxpayer dollars from
(03:05):
defrauded government programs flowed to Al Shabab, an al Qaeda
linked militant group that controls parts of Somalia. The report
sides unnamed sources, and the allegations have not been substantiated.
Federal prosecutors have not charged any defendants with supporting terrorists.
On Friday, set on social media that the Treasury Department
(03:29):
will soon issue an order requiring money wire services that
people use to send money to Somalia to submit additional
verification to the Treasury. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, a
Treasury arm that combats financial crimes like money laundering and
terrorism financing, will also deploy to assist in the efforts,
(03:51):
the Treasury Secretary stated. He added also that the Internal
Revenue Service would also be involved in looking to firms
a Q of engaging in fraud. Additionally, Treasury personnel are
on the ground working hard to uncover the facts, he said,
about why so many American tax dollars have been going
(04:11):
to fraud, including going to terrorist organizations and the money
going literally back to Somalia. Now, Democrats were hoping that
this entire scandal would disappear. It certainly doesn't look good
for Democrats, including the governor in Minnesota, who knew that
this was going on. CBS even putting out a report
(04:32):
saying this way, as they're describing how bad the abuse is.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
A honeymoon in the Maldives, a fleet of luxury cars.
Here's a box with more than two hundred and seventy
thousand dollars in cash. This was all evidence from a
Neutrova files obtained exclusively by CBS News showing how a
group of convicted Minnesota fraudsters spent taxpayer dollars. One text
message reads, you are going to be the richest twenty
(05:01):
five year old were.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Not even at the end of the beginning of our
pursuit of the stolen money and of the people who
stole it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
US Attorney Daniel Rosen leads the office digging into the
wave of COVID era fraud that hit Minnesota. So how
much money are we talking about stolen from the American taxpayer?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I can say with great comfort, well and excessive a
billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
In the past three years, eighty seven defendants have been charged,
sixty one convicted. The majority of them are Somali American
Minnesota has the nation's largest Somali population. The perpetrators are
accused of ripping off state run programs intended to feed
low income kids, house the disabled, and provide services to
autistic children.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
This was a get rich scheme.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Andy Luger was the US attorney who first examined this fraud.
He left in January.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
One of the things we discovered is that a number
of the people involved we're buying investment property resort property
in Kenya.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Wire transfers reviewed by CBS News also show more than
one million dollars went to Chinese banks. The Trump administration
has said it's investigating whether any of the money fell
into the hands of terror groups like al Shabab and Somalia.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You listen to that CBS report and you can see
just how bad the corruption is. Not only how bad
the corruption is, but also the fact that there's been
a long history of it and the governor was looking
the other way. Tim Waltz now on Defense saying this
about the Somali community at a press conference today.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Do you want to hear.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
More from members of leaders from a small community to say,
we need to hold our we need to look at ourselves,
we need to call our own neighbors acout is look
at the damage that this is. Don tor he what
do you want to hear more from it?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Say?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I just saying, don't lay us. Do you want to
see more ownership and oversight from.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Look, it's not law abiding citizens. If that were the case,
there's a lot of white men. Should be holding a
lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they
have committed. I think for the community to maybe educate
their population, because I think what you're seeing here is
there are secondary victims in this that there's providers inside
the community that are then victimizing the community himself by
signing them up. Because when we're going to some of
(07:20):
these people, they're like, I had no idea I was
in this program. So I think it's asking us, then,
you know, for every crime, which of course the majority
being committed by white men, asking us to do more
about that. I think it's crime in general. And I
think the biggest thing on this is is just making
sure that we're educating the population. And again, this is
eighty people or so that have been convicted in this,
(07:42):
maybe some more in that out of a.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You listen to Waltz, there if some alli communities should
hold their own accountable, quote, a lot of white men
should be holding white men accountable. This is still a
governor that is trying to turn this into some racial
issue instead of a massive fraud issue. There is fraud
in the small community. They figured out how defraud the
federal government. The people that are coming into Minnesota are
(08:07):
understanding how to grab American dollars and send them back
home to not only family members, but to literal terrorist organizations.
Al Shabab. Tim Waltz saying this as well.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Connor, is the welch and spoiled or can you count
on flaw issue with the US Security's.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Office here and one hundred percent that well is not spoiled.
I would let Drew talk to that, and I'm going
to say that in the midst of what's very clearly
a vindictive attack on Minnesota from this administration, I will
say this, the bright point on this has been the
US Attorney's office, and you saw that when Andy Lueger left,
(08:47):
we never missed a beat to Joe Thompson and they
have been good point. I'll let Drew talk by that
he worked with them and we have talked about this,
and look, I have to assess this too. I understand
when I speak up it brings is Donald Trump's petty
vindictiveness to Minnesota, and this is all about coming and
attacking us. He didn't know anything about this. He doesn't
(09:08):
know how Medicaid program works. The only thing he knows
about is he going to double the cost over the
next week. But he doesn't know how these programs work
or anything about it. So he heard and somebody told
him the Somalis are stealing money and they're not doing
anything about throw it up there. That's not how the
US Attorney's office works.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You listen to Tim Waltz and he's saying it yet again,
this is vindictive. So all the waste, all the fraud,
all the abuse, sitting many to terrorists. Tim Waltz is
telling you, he's telling the American people, no, no, no, this
is really about vindictive Donald Trump. So then if that's
the case, why did moments later he say this.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So if you try and commit fraud Minnesota, and there's
folks out there listening right now, you are going to
prison eventually. I think the biggest thing on this is
is you'll hear from some of the experts here. Many
of these programs, especially federal medicaid and medicare plagues every state,
and when you set down and dig into this, it
takes weeks and weeks and weeks, and actually it takes
(10:08):
years to become experts in this. These are programs that
have been layered up in a spider web over the years.
That makes it incredibly difficult, and I think unwinding those
are bringing about the integrity. It's the reason why we're
seeing federal agencies under the Trump administration acknowledge the work
that's being done, acknowledge that these things are better, and
actually suggesting in other states when I talk to them
(10:29):
about implementing that, because they're going to deal with it.
COVID moved a lot of money very very quickly, and
our goal was to make sure we were moving that
money so that people ate that they were housed, that
they had vaccines. But it also opened up the door
to relax the guardrails and to have fraud be committed.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So there it is the governor yet again blaming everybody
else but himself, and that is why this has become
such a massive problem yet again, when there's very clear
fraud at a level that is a scan that is broken,
that is putting his governorship in real peril. He's saying
this is somehow just Donald Trump's fault. It's vindictiveness. But eventually,
(11:08):
as he describes, if you're breaking a law, yeah, okay,
you'll go to jail, and then immediately goes back to
playing politics. I look at this governor and he goes
back to say one final thing, giving another excuse for
why this happened. This time, he's not blaming the fact
that he and the people around him refuse to look
(11:28):
at the Somali community for what they are doing in
the crimes of committing No, no, you want to know
what he says. The real problem is, you know, he's
actually blaming for the waste, fraud and abuse and the
money going to terrorist organizations. He says, it's a I's fault.
I'm not joking. This is his final excuse.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Any amount of fraud is too much. That's where over
the last several years, we've made many systematic changes to
state government to both detect fraud and hold those accountable
after it happened. Year after year, we brought new ideas
to the legislature to stay ahead of the evolving tactics,
and they are evolving. AI poses immense challenges in the
fraud space. We sought top to bottom change in state
(12:10):
government to create stronger oversite. We leveraged outside experts, We
modernize technology, and hold criminals accountable.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So there it is a governor seeing billions of dollars
stowing from the American people and he says it's a
conspiracy and Trump is the problem by trying to crack
down on it. He then says it's not actually happening,
But if it is happening, eventually you will get put
in jail eventually, and then he says it's really AI's
problem that this is happening, not the government for allowing
(12:42):
it to happen in Minnesota. If you want to know
how broken Minnesota is, this is a perfect example of
it and exactly why the Treasury Department, the IRS, and
the federal government is involved under Trump's leadership, to stop
your tax dollars from going to this abuse and going
to Harris as well.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Thank you for listening to the forty seven Morning Update
with Ben Ferguson. Please make sure you hit subscribe wherever
you're listening to this podcast right now and for more
in depth news, also subscribe to the Ben Ferguson podcast
and we will see you back here tomorrow
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