June 27, 2025 • 56 mins
The 85 South Crew sits down with KAREGA BAILEY for another great conversation in the Trap!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
I think they took the word clean, which means they
want you to be pure, which you mean nobody is puire,
but you want to be as perid as you can
when you step towards my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You got to be righteous too.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You got to be righteous. You got to be righteous.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Part of the clean right. You're gonna practice being clean.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Now you're gonna rely your false food every day.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What you got right here, Oh Theesus, this is gonna
be for y'all. This is the book that's gonna be yours.
That's gonna be yours, Johnny, that's gonna be yours. Everybody
get a copy. Just whenever Runner can get to it.
You may get to it, but no matter what, definitely
gonna get to it. Yeah, I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Fam were ready you ready? DC?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, We're ready.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hey man, welcome back to any famam Hey you? Oh yeah,
I got a little literature, man. They see who we
got in here with us today?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Man, Man, we got some soul for brothers. You dig
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, some real down the earth artists.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Legends, especially when you're talking about you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Sacramento coming out of California.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If you dig what I'm saying, we got emmy. We
ain't just talking about artists just being in the studio
rapping ship. You know, niggas got.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Dig what I'm saying. You gotta be tapped in music.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Just ain't music just because you ain't heard. I'm gonna
say that again. Music ain't music just because you ain't heard.
Feel what I'm saying. It's so much classical music that
you got to tap into.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And then I think that's why we this is a
great time.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Because we got all these different DSPs and we could
just go.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Search as much music as we can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Absolutely, and.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
These group of individuals is every time they piece or
put anything together, they compose anything.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Man, just be classic. You dig know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
We got a Korean You dig what I'm saying, big
time producing Jenny cool.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He man would appreciate y'all stopping through that. Come on,
That's why. That's that's why I feel so good.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Others bad. Real, No, it's it's love to even be
here with y'all. And you know what I mean, just
be able to do this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So we really appreciate that talk Johnny is behind a
lot of shit that's already like no, and shit like
he pieced to beat up?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Like no, he who pieced to beat up? Maybe somebody
else got a recognition for it.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
But yeah, I mean it goes like that, just just
it was a learning process for me getting into the
game early as like you know, eighteen years old was
like my first placement with was it Genuine at the time, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Think it was what what what? What song was it came?
Speaker 8 (03:33):
I don't even remember the name of the record they
had at the moment, but Genuine was the first like
official artist to tap in and say, hey, I like
these beats, you know what I mean. And then that
was in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area, and I had
lived out there, and I just learned a lot, you know,
(03:54):
with just work with artists. I didn't know nothing about
no publishing. I didn't know nothing about no proper crediting.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I didn't know nothing about that work.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
All I knew is I got these beats and I
want to give them the folks, you know what I'm saying.
So along the way, you know what I'm saying, I
started to learn. I started to learn what what it
looked like to have proper you know, representation, what it
looked like to own your masters, what it looked like
(04:23):
to you know, just how everything broke down. And uh,
I was able to gain a lot of experience by
working with artists like that and working with hit Maker
and working with you know, just a whole lot of
artists and producers and whatnot that definitely got the gold
sauce all on all the records, and a lot of
them guys still used the formula that was laid down.
(04:45):
And but now it's a new day. You know what
I'm saying. We got we got new records that this
shit don't stop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So, yeah, that's dope. That's dope. I think about like
John and his records and what we've been able to
like do and create work. And you're right, bro, he's
behind a lot of he's behind a lot of people
found and he's also want them, you know, one of
the producers and writers who's not selfish. He'll lend the
idea just to make the record better, even for his record.
(05:14):
I've seen him touch a lot of records that wasn't
his and just laid the idea that might make it better,
and in fact he did right, So shout out to
to you go behind twenty four y'all. Oh yeah, yeah
he had twenty four hours. Man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Me and my brother, we was able to Yeah, man,
we was all able to get together and go crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
My boys, Spencer, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He did? Yeah, yeah, See, I love this ship, you
know what I'm saying. Like I even met I met
Johnny doing them What the hell? I was doing a
magazine interview. It was a.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
It was a hip hop magazine magazine interview.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He downstairs in the studio. Yes, sir, he just don't
have enough. He'll pro said, hey, what's up.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm like shit, hold so he'd be like, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Know, you do music whatever we like, but you're up
in La. I'll be over here, you know what I'm saying,
holding it down through the dude. But we hear this
ship all the time. As artists. I'm like, he like,
let me play something. I'm like, damn, you're gonna count me.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm like, I got his I got to hear song
you feel.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm like, all right, I go in this studio. I'm like,
let me see what's saying. He plays some I'm like,
all right, you play something now. I'm like, a am
like you record it an hill. He like, yeah, nigga,
I know how to engineer it. That one thing with artists, bro,
(06:38):
we hate recording with new niggas.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Cause it's like buying weed from a new personal. You
don't know what you're smoking. He may say he can record,
get there, don't know how to do no, plug in,
don't know how to do nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He'd be like, all right, I'm gonna try that. And
when I went in, not only did he had this
shit already really like he had laid out already, Like
all you gotta do is just going there and rap insane.
Don't worry about me, poor, I'm gonna show you boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boo. Oh that nigga.
Ain't cat Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We're locked in, been locked in ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Sure, he said on the time cook Kitchen Fast, right,
John really got experienced cooking. I remember, like it's start
way back from him and me, start back in like
ninety five. John used to sneak out the house with
my older brothers to go learn how to play the
studio right good. So yeah, because my mom wouldn't less.
(07:38):
She wasn't going for it na studio.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
No, no those hours, but you go where you ain't.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Going to the studio. But my brothers was into the
music at that time. So John would tell his mom
he's coming over kicking with me. But he would sneak
out with my brothers and go learn how to work
everything so we can figure out how to get these
songs out. He had songs in our head all the time,
but he had to PENSI really figured the sh out right.
So that was one of the earliest ways he was
getting into it. And they were like, you know, we
(08:07):
around sixteen we started making our own records. We uh
convinced one of the one of the one one of
our mentors we had I never forget. We had to
sit down with Intel right because it was about bridging
the digital the vibe because like it's like, okay, cool,
we're gonna give you our computer lab. It was like,
we're gonna do a computer lab. We can make a studio.
(08:27):
It's about to say require the same thing. And we
made a pitch. He was like fifteen and sixteen and
got them to sponsor the first studio and that's when
the music first started happening.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it's all that's hall y'all fifteen ninety five.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
But y'all, no, no, no, Now, we've been friends since
we was little kids.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
We make friends, uh, you know, racing in school and Ben.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Don't let that nigga try to shame you many, brother.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
And you know what's funny about that that first studio though,
that that we got uh Victoria Monet right at the time,
because she's from Sacramento as well. Right, So it was
we had our one brother, Drew Scott, who was cold
on the keys, but he was known all throughout the city.
He was like one of them catch that player at
church every church. He might play at this church on
(09:25):
the eight o'clock service, play at this church at the
twelve o'clock.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So he was like that.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
But he was young too, we're the same age. So
he would come through the studio we'll produce together. And
one time Victoria, Uh, she came in and she was
maybe a year younger than us. She might maybe be
in fifteen, about fifteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
At the time.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
She was like, Hey, I think I want to sing.
We were like, all right, come on, we're gonna show
you how to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Ru you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Then you know, he called he got that. I don't
want to interrupt, Walt, bring your ass on. He like, man,
I just I just got to walk your hands.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Damn she cold too.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What she went on to do, it's amazing.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
So it's it's some it's some real talents come up
by the Sacramento man.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
In fact, but show for sure.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Oh look so he get you right, we'll be Yeah,
we can't officially start to show to somebody might go out.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's like a good look, let me get let me
get your back, No canna get your bright back.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, just having all the time, get your.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Let me get that. Let me go you you you're
right here.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Lot uh the world bus ride.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Put her head around. Yeah. Yeah, that nigga was creeping
up coming to the city. What he was sitting on
the couch she came behind that ship was funny back.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, we beg were running.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
All right, being from a situation like understand, like how
does she go like explain when emy and I and
like the recognition and all that starting to come into
fruition life.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Explain that that that's a crazy entry point. It's a
one is It's like one of the awards that you
never would you never wanted life to take you in
a direction that won you that award.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But I'm part of a collective. So I have a
music group, Soul Development, and we're part of a collective
called Be Imaginative, and we do healing circles for mothers
who lost children of gun violence. Damn. Right, And that
work came to my life because you know, naturally, one
(12:03):
of the brothers that really got to John on the
wing and got him in the studios my older brother Kareem,
he was shot and killed in twenty fourteen. So I'm
sorry that so we started. Really I had already been
the context is this while John is doing this work
in DC and working on the records, I'm a teacher, right,
(12:24):
So I was a special education teacher in Southeast DC
in Northeast DC. After I finished school, I went in
to teach special education. And after I taught special education,
I became the dean of students. So when I became
the dean at like twenty four I was able to
create programs and create culture. So I'll never forget this
wide all tie in. I'm I'm in my I'm in
(12:47):
my office when I get the call to my brother
past and my students that experienced so much loss at
that time, they could see what the phone call look like.
They know what that shit looked like. And Trey Vaughn
was his name. He didn't want that held me up.
But all this becomes like really part of how to
work because when I started to go into gun violence
interruption spaces, I knew what this shit could feel like
because I saw it all my students first. They was
(13:09):
walking through the school with missing siblings and homies and
having to walk through that. So they taught me a lot, right,
It was like my first grief mentors. So when it
came time for me like to work on I was
working on the album at the time. It's called Peace
Came I Nen't forget, and I was me and John
was working on it. My goal was to take it
back because I was living in DC at the time.
My goal was to take it back to Kelly. Let
(13:32):
my brothers hear it so I can you know, so
you can see how I matured like, you know what
I'm saying, my nice yet you know what I'm saying,
And granted I knew I was nice, but what I'm
saying is you want to earn this certain like yeah,
that shit is real from certain people. But I didn't
get a chance to present that album to career, right,
So I had to keep working on it because it
wasn't done now, so that getting me into the space
(13:54):
like working and telling the stories around gun violence, interruption
and turning the stories were lost. So then my groups
sold development. We did a documentary with KQED in the Bay.
We sat down with them and they were like, we
want to do a story on y'all because at this
time we're all teachers. Bro, We're not just teachers now,
we're school founders. So shout out to Rose in Concrete, Oakland, California.
(14:17):
What took me to Oakland was I got a call
from the homie Jeff Duncan Dade and he was like, Yo,
I need your help getting the school open. You're talking
about I'm living in DC at the time, and he's like,
check your email. We just got approve but a charter.
So it was a school called Roses and Concrete and
it was a TUPAC legacy school, right, So I met
(14:38):
dude on the speaking circuit. I was trying to go
to grad school. He was a dope lecturer, so we connected.
But I moved to Oakland and helped launch the school,
and that's how we sat down with KQED in the
Bay Area. They're like, these teachers are amazing and their
music is amazing. They said, we can do a story
about you as teachers in the community. Cool. We can
(14:59):
do a story about like the music and making the
music cool. But they learned it like my brother had
just passed a year prior and they saw me like
really working through that and they're like, or we can
do a story about you all was working gun violence
eruption and that's the work that they chose to follow. Now,
so the Emmy comes in. It's crazy because we're doing
(15:21):
a film. It's called When the Waters Get Deep and
it's available right now. It's on all platforms on YouTube,
look it up. They played it. I got a homie
that came home from the pan Bro he saw this
because it was on PBS in the penitentiary and he
was like, man, I got to meet Bro. So the
dude came out to meet me just to really acknowledge
how I was telling that story surrounding you know, the nuances, lost, revenge, grief, anger,
(15:46):
all the films that are justified. While doing this film,
we're filming when the waters get deep. While filming this film,
my wife and I experience of full term loss. So
we were pregnant with our firstborn child. This is a
forty one week pregnancy. So you asked me, how do
(16:09):
we get into the Emmy. That story became when the
pandemic came. So we were going to take this film
on tour, but we couldn't take the film on tour,
so we created another film with the tour budget, and
this one was called Dear Beloved. The mothers that we
were talking to, the mothers that were in our first documentary,
they we now have the courage to read letters to
(16:31):
their sons. They're reading letters to their sons. Were in
the sixteenth Street Station, West Oakland. BJ McBride director, another
one from Sacramento. It's all people from Sack but we're
in there. Bro and Soul Development records another album. It's
called Dear Beloved, and that project is the Emmy Award
(16:51):
winning project. So that's how we got to the Emmy
asked me how I got there bro a path that
I would have never chose, path that no man would trose.
But it only happened when I kept putting one foot
in front of the other because I couldn't go back,
can't go back, that's just crazy, hey, But look for me,
(17:19):
it's just a trip to be able to speak it
as freely one. I can only tell the story like
that one because I feel I'm with my nigs, I
feel safer here. Nobody like going back to any moment
of particular vulnerability to revisit a part that don't feel
like it don't give you good feelings, you know what
I'm saying. But it'd be like, it'd be really novice
(17:41):
to try to fast forward past that part or not
bring that part to a space that's as real as
this to me, because all I know is real talk
over here, And you just realize how many you know,
how many times people are carrying things that you can't see,
evolving through things that you can't see. Like, did I
(18:02):
think anytime during those points of loss that I think
that anything would bring me to a conversation like this
with people who bring joy to me, and I laugh with,
and I chill with, and I build with, and I
pray with. I just think a conversation of from from
that point of my life to bring me here. Well,
we're here, doc here, love here.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Both of y'all hear about it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You do what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think that that be the the lessons.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Like you said, man, that we don't know until we
go through it, and we we don't choose any of
our trouble. You dig what I'm saying, and what we
learned from the trauma is what's gonna take us to
the next step anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
M h. Feel we allow the.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Trauma to overcome, then you're not really saying full purpose
in the lesson you feel me like you got people
that say, well, you must don't feel so I ain't
never told you he never felt nothing. I'm telling you
you keep going, so you rather me tell you what
you want to hear versus what you need to hear.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Ye, I very much understand that. I didn't say I
didn't feel I just had to keep going.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All I said.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, I'm not feeling to courage you to cry, but
I'm not saying it wasn't okay.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
If you did.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yea all, I'm telling you what you need in order
for you to keep going. You want to shut down.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
They like what you told me and what I wanted
to hear, because I got some emotions that I gotta
let go.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, I know that. Yeah, that's why I didn't tell
you what you wanted to hear.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I told you what you needed to because.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
What you wanted to hear probably ain't good for you too.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
On the reel, on the reel, on the real what
you want it, don't boil down to what you want,
sure does it not? A lot of times real it become,
it becomes. Really it's really the art of I think
I call it's right keep going, the art of relentless incrementalism.
(20:20):
Micro steps. You just got to keep just keep stacking them.
You keep going in some way somehow right. I take
it to the point where it's like I can't tell
nobody how anything is ever going to end up. I
just know that the richest man in the world can't
go backwards. There's nothing that allows us to go backwards.
(20:42):
So the only place you can go is forward. You
can't stay still, you can't stay in it. You cannot
stay in it. Because even it's changing. So what I've
learned this from just by going forward, it's not an advice,
it's just reference. I can't tell nobody how to deal
with nothing. I can just give you reference because everybody
trying to find their steps. So reference is what we do.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It became, it became more than just like how you
learned talk.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
So I used to give yourself sustained because even though
I was just in what you're saying, a lot of
people like to replay, like to replay pain or to
replay the trouble.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And if you know you don't like the pain, why
replay it? Yeah? Yeah, So I try my best to.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Anything that got onto me to not replay it. I
think I'm gonna pregnice them a little bit more, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, God, damn, Bro, I
ain't saying cry but God, try the game. Mm hm
you feel me for what?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But but but but what for whom is it good for? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
What what is this fascination right with seeing me in
this state? What is this fascination with seeing us?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But once you realize it's emotion, once you let it
all out and.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Realize, Damn, I still got keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like okay, at that point, then what is it?
It's a release point. You fear me, so okay.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Then then that's when you be like okay, that's when
I try to keep yourself in good graces so you
just won't.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Have unexpected releases.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Mm hmm. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
You have a channel, so you be like, okay, speaking
certain things can trigger certain ship where you were like,
oh ship, Yeah yeah, that's an unexpected Yeah, you ain't
know that one gonna go?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
How do you get yourself together?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
See, the craziest part is like that the whole the
whole path is ain't none of it predictable? You know
what I'm saying. None of it is like what you
just wanted to be. You just take it. You realized
the artists ain't taken it one day at a time.
But the truth of what I'm saying is like, it
ain't you know, you can't predict it, and it don't.
It's now you high. It's just that's like it's gonna
(23:01):
come when you suspected it's not. It's not coming at
a convenient time. Those feelings they come, they real, they real,
and you learn to acknowledge it. You learn to figure
out what's coming to tell me, and you learn how
to keep navigating the responsibility of one foot in front
of the other. I feel I feel like it's like
like a spiritual war. Look at it, how like being
in the war.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right, No matter how fraid.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Or how frustrated they might be, they have to they
have to keep a certain composure in order for them
to get to the next destination.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So you in the battlefield and this blood a lot
of shit they help going like that, you like.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Times out, Yeah, total chaosity. But then you have to
rely on your training.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You got to rely on your training.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And what is that training that you've been you've been
so purposefully training on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Wow, this is when he kicks head.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Hey, let me tell you some training. So this is
my this is my brother right here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Man.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So I've seen him go through loss after loss but
having resilience and also seeing him stand in the space
for students, for relatives and friends.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But now when he's in the.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Space where he needs that support, it's like, man, it's
kind of hard to find. So he had this book,
he had this book written and it wasn't even a
book at the point, it was him just getting into
a practice of, you know, let's just write some affirmation
what I'm saying. Let's just make this a healthy practice
of writing informations. And he had he had the composition
(24:39):
of affirmations done. And I remember we were sitting at
his kitchen table after the loss of Camayu Sou and
he was like, Bro, I just don't got the answers.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I just don't know what. I just I can't.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I don't want to hear nothing. And I said, you
might not want to hear this, bro, but you already
did the work. It's in that book. And I damn
sure wasn't trying to hear it.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I've remember, and I remember because it's coming from my
dog too, right, So it's like you ain't trying to
bark on a nigga. But it's the only place I
can really tell you how I feel. I don't feel
like hearing none of that, right, none of it. I
don't care what's in there. But it's just it mattered
when you have solid people beside you. You did what
I'm saying. And when I realized that, like my own
(25:31):
experiences were not just my own experiences. First things first, like, yes,
it feels like it's just you, but it's never just you,
Like none of us is just us. So when I
realized that other people haven't experiences similar to my lived experiences,
I realized that reference is what we need. We need more.
(25:51):
We need more, We need more reference, We need more stories.
We need our voice, right, we need black men's voice
included in there in conversation, including in how we're doing,
including with how we checking on each other, Like, we
need our own voice because if you it's very easy
for them and the general public to assume we don't
(26:13):
feel It's very easy for them to assume that we
don't have feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And this isn't just like modern this is a historical practice.
We're not as humans, so we don't have all the
human emotion, but we do got full range of emotion.
So I just realized that bro, like I needed to
leave my leave reference along the journey from my experiences
in case somebody else has an experience. They they got
(26:39):
something they could rely Yeah, Bro, they got they got
some They got a place they can start from Andy,
not starting from scratch, because we have a grief for
literate society, so a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Don't know how to deal with it. But I'm so
thankful that I was brought up in the church. But
God got his hands on me, and I know that
has my only best friend. And that's that's I know
who got the answers. It's just like how you said,
Like you might not say I don't want to hear
right now, but you know how many times some nigga
(27:08):
might be like I don't want to hear, but at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I know I got to hear.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
That.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, somebody got to say it.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So it's it's more so like I already liked them
being conditioned to know that there's this way of feeling
and thinking and then there's this way that I.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Have to move.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Even when you feel like this, you know you got
to move like this.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But this it always shows you the separate, separate too
of why this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is gonna always be the best route.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, you will never not had these feelings because you're human. Yeah,
it's spiritual.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
You have to be strugg enough to always choose this side.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yes, I agree, and I believe that happens through practice
and repetition, right, that is what that is what the
faith is is practice and repetition. Right, And like you said,
we've partner, so I really know how it get down
that I ain't seen you step to no stage ever, ever,
no matter how many tour dates, no matter how many tired,
how tired you are, no matter how much time you
got between, I ain't never seen you step to stage
(28:18):
without sitting inside you can't give you your thanks, right.
So it's like the repetition. But I realized that we
all need practice with repetition, and how we train our
minds is going to have a whole lot to do
with how we respond in time of need, ain when
time is easy. So the affirmations is like creating the
conditions for us to rehearse the knowings so that we
(28:38):
know what so we know how to move in case
whatever the day is, but whatever it brings itself. But
in terms of like the faith, I'll just tell you,
like this, bro, there's absolutely no way, there's absolutely no
way I could have made it to today without the
faith that I hold true, there was no tomorrow. You
(28:59):
did what I'm saying. I remember. I just remember telling
the enemy, look, look you get nothing. I said that
out loud, I declared it out loud because I just
knew that, Like I already knew what happened when I
lost my brother. I remember how I remember what revenge
feel like. I remember how creep into your brain and
become your best friend, and all these ideas becoming shit
(29:19):
that you can't like, you are not necessarily obsess over,
but you can't get rid of the feeling, get rid
of the idea. So I knew early and on like, look, bro,
you getting nothing on this one. No matter how hard
I fall, no matter how what it feels like, it's
gonna be me and God at the beginning and the
end of this. And here we are. He's still getting glory,
he's still using Yes, he's still mobbing. He still put
(29:40):
one foot in front the other. So it's like, it's
all those things. It ain't no fast forward, but it's
just all those things. It's is who creates who's on
the couch today, right, and we still evolving. It creates
while we're on eighty five South today. It's like for
me fro you knoww many times I come to the show,
I remember coming to the show hight of some of
(30:00):
my pain, and John was like, hey, I need you
a fee to come out and laugh. That's crazy. I'm
telling you the truth.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Oh yeah, the first Oakland show, Yeah, where you had the.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, hey listen, brother, I'm telling you on the real
what We didn't just go to to go and pop out.
We came because it was it was a real place
we needed. We needed the laughter, we needed, we needed
the stories, we needed the layers. And you know, y'all
took good care of us. So my wife felt safe
because she didn't necessarily be out right, but we needed
(30:32):
to be out We need to change. Solid brothers in
your corner to throw you a player, and they say, hey, man,
this just change is frequency up real quick. So for me,
it's just a real, uh, real profound, fuller circle that
I'm here kicking it with y'all.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know what I'm saying. You know.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That capital that's the part that means a lot to everybody.
It ain't just being here. It's about man, Look where
the niggas had to keep mobbing. Look how they had
to keep going, and look how they treated each other
on the way, right, Look how they evolved on the way.
Look how you treat this family on the way like
I'm living by those virtues it's still putting one foot
from the other, still creating meaningful art, still making sure
(31:18):
my brothers like I need, brothers deserve to be well.
We privileged the name of the next book, brothers deserve
to be well? On hey, put that down, you want it.
I don't deserve to be well. Real talk, And like
you and I may be privileged because we have as
heavy as a cross. It is privileged to have good sys,
(31:41):
privileged to have faith, privileged to have people who are
willing to play a role to make sure every all
the needs are meant right. Not every brother got that right,
Not everybody got somebody solid in their corner like you
got it, like I got So if we don't create
the conditions for our brothers, but on a real door, right,
(32:11):
So like if we if we recognize that we had
these privileges by design or whatever, we got to make
sure we put game on the table, create the conditions
and put the resources out there for all of our
brothers to be well no matter where they fall on.
Where can they get this book?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Man?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That book is available everywhere that Soul Affirmations you can
find it. So all my mute, all my my merch
is sold under the music. It's actually under their because
of music first, but that's gonna be on bad Camp.
Go to Soul Affirmations ig is in the link in
the bio. Go to my ig Cariger Bailey. It's in
the link in the bio. It's available everywhere and check
(32:50):
it out. Thought just because it's a book, right, but like,
not everybody got privileged to have time to sit down.
Some people's commuting, some people putting kids to bed, some
people just trying to make it work. So we created
an album out of this as well. Right, So it's
not just a book. Uh, and it's not an audiobook,
it's an actual album. That what it is. Okay, get
(33:11):
this book saying oh yeah, oh yeah, so the book
is is? It became an album. I'm signed up for you.
It became an award winning podcast with my wife and
I sol Affirmations with Career and Felicia. My wife wrote
another one, Sole Affirmations, a toolkit from mothers who are
investigating briefs process. So I told you we sat down
(33:32):
with mothers who lost children, right, And I'm gonna tell
you like this too. Bro, there's a whole lot of
things they think gangsters do and and people like there's
a lot of fantasies in the hood about like how
we the money and what people got not Bro, it's
so seldom that the hood come up and pull up
(33:54):
and sit with the mama. Like it's seldom, and because
they don't know how to sit with her, that feeling
is too it's too overwhelming. But sometimes she's not looking
for you for answers, Bro, she looking at me. Just
check for her. She know you don't got answers. You
not God. You know what I'm saying. The way that
woman missed her baby, you can't bring it back. She's
not looking for you for answers. But we get so
(34:15):
caught up in like think we gotta have answers for
something that we be staying away from these mamas. So
I'm like the hood really needed to, you know, go
check on the mama. Go check on your potnam mama,
Go pull up on her. Just see how she's doing.
You don't gotta have no answers, You don't gotta have
no nothing. Just go see about her. Like That's one
of the things I realized one that the momss are
(34:35):
So I just gotta put that out there. Man, go
check on your potnam Mama. You know what I'm saying.
If you can, if it's in resource, if it's in reach,
let's go pull up on her.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Let's go pull up on her.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It don't got to be the Sun's birthday. She's not
gonna get their emoji hands on social media. She's not
on social media like that. So when you post that
on an anniversaries, those don't go on to her. You
feel what I'm saying. So we got to go pull
up on our elders. But I'll just try that out
of there because that's what I want us to do.
But yeah, bro, great, the conditions us to be well,
it's the resources, the music. Uh, I'm gonna sign your book.
(35:06):
I make sure I sign your book. John we got
another uh the album on the way, Wings.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
Over Waves Drop. Uh, it's gonna drop in May. It's
dropping in May.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
A lot of May stuff dropping. I got Drop.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I got my producer friends and you know up and
coming second, third, fourth generations. Man, say you cold with it, Johnny,
go what's going on? Drop some game on the up
and coming producers?
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Manus for the up and coming producers.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Make beats every day number one like beats every Day.
Just just get your beat.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Catalog up so that way when it's time to press play,
when you when you when you're in the studio and
it's signed the press play, you got stuff to go through,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So have have rapid fire number one. Number two.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Learn about publishing. Learn about intellectual property. Learn learn about
your rights.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (36:13):
What just just learn how to collect all your money
as a as a as a producer.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's a nigga. Don't give you what what.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He said, what first? Been waiting on this piece for hour?
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yet the first light DN game.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm a nigga that no lot that not overstate he will.
Now you get the first piece. I don't want you
to be telling nobody I got the first.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Know why I got two of them?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
The third piece, No budd Frosco. I try to get
some doumble nose out of steak. I told them make
it j like this. They did not.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You gott you gotta have to connect. They did not.
What's special about that one?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You see?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Okay? Okay, never like this?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
They little with somebody black little somebody said you got
all that thing and that stuff? Don't many want to
eat bread all day.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Puffing that up, puffing it up. One thing about that.
So we're gonna eat, they gonna have something to eat.
Gotta hands down.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
We're supposed to weed, not to have no.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Gotta bust down, y'all. You know, I don't know what
appreciate it. I might get involved. You might as well.
We just had a look, just a little pizza party.
Little ain't nothing but the pizza.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If you have no part, okay, want ship.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You're glad to be the ultimate reward? Oh yeah, went
on that?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
What but.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
School up into the last day.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I talked this the same.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Bullshit I was just I was just talking about and
I never forget. I got sick at one of end
of years. I did. I did everything I was supposed
to do this part.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Man, you man.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I tried to stick out the house. My mom came
and got me from that bus. Stop talking about you sick.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You can't go.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm like, no, I heard this shot this pizza.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I need this pizza.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And if I don't go, John gonna get the pizza ed.
He goes a couple of skates and I'm gonna tell
you that he's gonna take the girl. You gonna couple
skate that's the bet.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
The girl a couple skate with.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I gotta go, I gotta go a couple of skate
aad his pizza.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You don'tunderstand.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I would wait all year for this. Damn pizza parties
used to go up. Absolutely, that's crazy. What type of
dead incentive they dangled over kids heads?
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Because pieces used to be a luxury, real talk, not
knowing get a pizza on a Friday night and it
be her best weekend for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Remember when it was enough pieza to have left over?
Speaker 9 (38:58):
Yeah, ain't the splices and ship and there was still
six slashes left.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
That's the best. That's the best. That is the best.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
But with that one left in there, you know what
I'm saying, even left in there three days turned up.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Ain't nobody gonna touch it though? No, he just started
curling up.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
One of your fathers work with you got somebody with you,
just start curling up like this, definite work.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's the work. This was or fresh. He took two
of the last flashes to work.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The cheese was transparent on them.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
He didn't even eat him up. He's just left him
in his truck.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
On the head.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
That's sad. He didn't lie. That's somebody, that's somebody working
daddy right now, right right now, technical glid was Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It was Saturday morning, so he ain't lying.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You stupid. But you know it's crazy when you think
about it, like just the nature what we're talking about,
the whole pizza, the leftovers. It's just he said, the
daddy gonna take that one to work. Hey, we really
make a whole lot of work out of leftovers.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Bro I would have left over, man, you wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Just so we can have the leftovers like leftovers forget
it hits so hard on about day two, day three,
what after everything done settled.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
In season, this particular food, if it were left over,
it was ours.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
Anything that go in and Priderator is done anything anything.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
That goes in and you gotta take it back out
and read man in this household?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
All right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You better. First of all, I might be a road
to that part ain't looking.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
They get.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Cover that food up. It's won't be saving there. Niggas.
Nigga wasn't stunning wrong cause I was stuffing broke. I
was stuffing roach you.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But I'm telling you, but no leftover was in my house.
Sorry feel piece that was a luxury, A piece of
absolutely luxury, absolute luxury.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man, I remember school lunch used to be here, man,
that's what piece used to be. Boom bit that square joint,
especially when she get that fresh slice. You see her,
she pulled that rack out of the whole pen. She
pulled them over and she spent. It's like that she
spent that motherfucker. She's like, I'm I'm a pick which
cone I want to cut first? You gotta picked that one, men,
miss Tew, you picked that cone. She cut that motherfucker
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did that. When I was a pork ship, they have
a saft one, a little squim.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
Yeah, a little und little sausages in it. We used
to have a squat piece that take up the whole
middle of the trade. Bro yep, quick around. I was
buying me extra slice for a dollar.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
It was a dollar A.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Yeah, that's when like the pizzas of the slices used
to be a dollar. Yeah, that's what extra pision. It
was the plex to be a line and tell the
lunch that I'm buying another.
Speaker 11 (42:26):
Like it's a second, get another, like it's a section.
Who a, yeah, she don't want to cut big bank.
You putting out big bank for that pizza.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Then you get out to that, you get to the
end of the line where you got to give them
your lunch number.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
The lady got a check to make sure you ain't
hold on how many of you got you ain't worried. Man,
I got a dollar with the token. I got a dollar.
I'm paying for this one to pay for lunch.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Bro I put around and put in a number and
it went through, and just are using that and I
just start using that bit that be at worked for.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Like five years streat man.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
I was like, bag, I'm talking about nigga. I paid
for luck every year until like ninth grade.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I just put in some ship. I think it was
just a one mile with like two It was like
three nine four eight some zero. She was like two fifty,
mister Midfield. I'm like, go put it three nine four
eight two one one. She was like, all right, all right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Like, hold on, hold on, I'm gonna hold onto that.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I ain't no man about that. She's like, man, nobody
your accounts.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Look at the man money on count.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Love all right, every day fifty.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
Four getting ten dollars, hold on two fifty for lunch
and bitty for bro.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
You should have got that ship reduced reduced lunch.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Be like.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You to be there.
Speaker 9 (43:58):
That's make a count all that taxes on the school lunch.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
What he saying on the free lunch? Come on, bro, brother,
be like fifteen cent.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
But they just hate this ship.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Sometimes that would be the only time I would see
my dad when he would come up there.
Speaker 9 (44:14):
And pay for my little teaching kids the hard way
about credit.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, you can't have no breakfast.
Speaker 8 (44:21):
You all in school two dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
To spend your account.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Your mother has to send five dollars up here for you.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
This child food for five dollars.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Man, They send the letter home. Get you cussed out, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Talking about why you got these people in my business.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Denied their child food for mama.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Man, she ain't got the money. She just talking ship
back to the people.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
When you get to that school, you tell them, folks,
I don't got no damn money. I don't eat.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Take you up and down or something. Ain't nothing like
taking that.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You got school program? Read at school program?
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Yeah, but that my mother a school program. Ain't no
after school program. We live in the country.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh yes, take y'all at home.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Boy, huh, no after school.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Program, but take your ad and on what I'll see
you tomorrow. You can walk, but you closer though the walk.
That's crazy telling you in the kindergarl. I give a
fuck man in that room.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
This is crazy. Now we'd have been done without after
school program, Yeah, for sure, we'd have been done without it.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Yeah, I need Yeah, I'm glad I could not have
been in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
During the days of me being in school and after
school program more cause the.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Days that I was when I didn't, I got turned.
So imagine this ship. I see why once I got
like eighth, ninth till I'm live.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Everything I saw because I want to see. Yeah, you
see what I'm saying. Even though it was right outside
my door. Stuff, it was like I saw that.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
I'm like, oh, that's why my mom ain't want me
from this time, from this time, because this was going
this what's going on?
Speaker 2 (46:12):
But I'm in the seventh grade now I know what's
going on. But I realized why you didn't want me
home early. You killed me over here. You killed me
over here like superhids. I don't want them kids. Somebody
always had to watch me. Yeah, got to watch me.
We're gonna watch your June by somebody. Somebody need to
hear the fuck.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I need chaperone.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I came from the house key generation. Oh yeah, better
not lose that mother fucker. You moved your house key.
That was the worst day. So now you just outside.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, you go get your ad wards for sure, because
now they scared. They think a burglar go called because
they key out there in the world and they know exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
That's the craziest part. That's the craziest part. Somebody got
a kid this house. They don't know what house this is.
I'm just trying to Can we just cut me another key? Please?
Like no, I don't want to do the election.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I can't see. It wasn't that. It wasn't that.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
You also gotta understand, this is our room. This is
our responsibility as a child. We don't know, I know,
damn responsive don't put the big world on that. We
don't have a responsibility. We need and worry about not
shot on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
That's the only thing we gotta about.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
And you got me walking around with a house key
on a shoe string around my neck.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
You ain't even died right, think about it.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
We gave Versus way too much credit. We ain't Burglars.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
We gave Burglars way too much credit. I said, like,
they just gonna find the house. Kids, Miss Justin got
us fucked.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know that?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Well thirty five cheer.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
Everything on the.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Ridge, ridge getting points, getting points. I know that I
know that. Anyway, Well, this is crazy, bro, this is
absolutely crazy that we had to worry about this as
a as a kids kids.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
I had a kid in the fifth grade, but I
can only go home with my nephew, like I couldn't
be Like my mama knew me.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
She knew like if he did by himself, or he
anywhere by himself, he ain't got nobody he gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Absolutely ain't gonna tell me the start I was, I'm
trigging him, trick, I was triggering him.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Like them, I'm gonna believe anything guys say when I
came home from school, Hey, boy, now.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Why ain't gonna believe it? They're like what I'm like, boy,
is that I got into him with the principal. They like,
for real, I'm just lying the whole time. I'll get
all to the like I was just bush and they
like man a lot of kid Man. I'm like, why
do y'all keep believing.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's like the thirtieth story. They don't. They always believe
me bro, and they should have just known at this point.
I think they just love the stories.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
But but I felt like that was my first audience.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
I was performing it for a little because I was
trying to f I was trying to outdo each story.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I remember, I think one time I had nothing told me,
I started a food fight. I like Nigga. We was.
We was in the cafe tier I was when I
came home. I was like, hey, y'all, nigga, go downstairs.
I got something. Tell y'all. They like what. I ain't
gonna believe what happened to day? They like, what but
your uncle boy? Oh plate playing all? I got all
(49:48):
three old plate, old plate, and like what happened? Like
little Nigga, he was in the caf Tiers.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
We was all chilling. Everybody was in there being chilling.
I'm in the principal walk through the quiet. Everybody act
like they want to eat their food.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
You know, I don't fuck with pepperoni. Get what I do?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I just tossed that pitch. They're like, where go You
ain't gonna believe it? Hit the principal dead in the
he little look piece all over he everybody they looking,
they looking. I'm just sitting there. I got a little
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piece o that one nigga hit the sense of prom live.
They're like what I'm like, everybody just start throwing fool nigga. Shit,
were crazy, Nigga, My mama had to I ain't wear
this today.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
I ain't wear this, nigga.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I close.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I got yeah, Bro, I'm like, yeah, nigga.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Get down to the head because couldn't think of no more.
I was like, why y'all keep believing me?
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Bro? The craziest part is you went from telling the
story about telling the story to your nephews and telling
me so you put me in the audience just now, nigga.
When you said guess what happened next? I almost asked
like what?
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I was like, you do?
Speaker 8 (51:15):
Like, what what happened?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I was not throw How you think you think I'm great?
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, brothers deserted to laugh. What's your social media?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Man?
Speaker 8 (51:35):
Let them know how they can get in touch with
Johnny n n Y G O L D.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Johnny Gold Yep, very like that at coreger Bailey k
A R E G A B A I L E Y.
And if you find yourself in Oakland on on last
Tuesday of the month or Sacramento last Monday of the
month at the Men's Wellness Fellowship. So that's the that's
the group that I co founder, man, and we do
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we do. We do something just like this, but picture
like a hundred and something prins buthers in the building
and we got a DJ, we got cater food, and
we got conversations that like just help us leave better
than we came. He did what I'm saying, whether that's game,
whether you looking for advice, what you looking for you
have an idea that you wanna bring to life, whether
nigga life is just going in the direction. You just
need a good word. Right. We've been doing this for
(52:24):
three years now, so shout out to the Men's Wanting Spellowship.
So yeah, man taping. Men just need to get together
and a lie that ship is healing, show a.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Good boy a start.
Speaker 9 (52:36):
All you ever knowed what old niggas get together, just
you can tell them best line.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Eighteen wes gat been. Last week.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I had piece let out, I went home in eighty five.
That night my father had mad up.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I ain't another I ain't even tell you about shut up.
Just exactly real, ship, I know, you know, on the real.
Don't look I got this crazy idea. I know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I know.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Y'all be working, y'all, be on the road, y'all, be on,
y'all go. We got to align it, man, and really
get you to pull up any one of you whoever
schedule pup to the men's wellness Fellowship. Here's the thing
we did a lot, Bro, we don't have medical doctors.
I want this nigga to come to this book, That's
(53:45):
what I want to him. No, because look, bro, we
don't have we don't have we don't have medical doctors. Right,
we don't have artists shout out to d Smoke pulled
up on us to looks like Roger pulled up on us.
I think the next part of this wellness exploration that
I'm just exploring his brother's like the need for joy,
(54:06):
the need for laughter, right, the need for Yeah, just
that joy and laughter part gotta be sustainable, you know
what I'm saying. Because coaches a week, George Different, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's great, don't worry. I'm meaning.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Plural plural.
Speaker 9 (54:38):
Now gonna tell you about the highlight of his life.
It sounds like some ship there to be on, like
some TV one, like behind the music ship.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
This point, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Was even.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
At this point. It was real bad. I mean.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
It's going crazy, wallowing, out of control, just out of control.
That's why, that's why I started.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
I wouldn't consider myself a freak, but I said, I'm
gonna heat them.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Coach, give me here.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Get that's great, that's great, that's great. Men, get here.
Speaker 12 (55:36):
You see see see.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is see see.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Oh no, no, all all ship. But at my lowest,
I was even.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
The day a week, focus a week, slow down, then.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
The money, then.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
The floor over drive the plan.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
He just picks them up.
Speaker 9 (56:29):
Man will be ordered to go ship a name. Man,
y'all know exactly where we're at. Man, y'all just be
the last time y'all stopped through the eighty fist and
now pull enough for real man. Eighty mins so all
were talking to is ghetto legs man, stay tuned, were
out of here.
I think they took the word clean, which means they
want you to be pure, which you mean nobody is puire,
but you want to be as perid as you can
when you step towards my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You got to be righteous too.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You got to be righteous. You got to be righteous.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Part of the clean right. You're gonna practice being clean.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Now you're gonna rely your false food every day.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What you got right here, Oh Theesus, this is gonna
be for y'all. This is the book that's gonna be yours.
That's gonna be yours, Johnny, that's gonna be yours. Everybody
get a copy. Just whenever Runner can get to it.
You may get to it, but no matter what, definitely
gonna get to it. Yeah, I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Fam were ready you ready? DC?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, We're ready.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hey man, welcome back to any famam Hey you? Oh yeah,
I got a little literature, man. They see who we
got in here with us today?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Man, Man, we got some soul for brothers. You dig
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, some real down the earth artists.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Legends, especially when you're talking about you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Sacramento coming out of California.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If you dig what I'm saying, we got emmy. We
ain't just talking about artists just being in the studio
rapping ship. You know, niggas got.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Dig what I'm saying. You gotta be tapped in music.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Just ain't music just because you ain't heard. I'm gonna
say that again. Music ain't music just because you ain't heard.
Feel what I'm saying. It's so much classical music that
you got to tap into.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And then I think that's why we this is a
great time.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Because we got all these different DSPs and we could
just go.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Search as much music as we can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Absolutely, and.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
These group of individuals is every time they piece or
put anything together, they compose anything.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Man, just be classic. You dig know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
We got a Korean You dig what I'm saying, big
time producing Jenny cool.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He man would appreciate y'all stopping through that. Come on,
That's why. That's that's why I feel so good.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
Others bad. Real, No, it's it's love to even be
here with y'all. And you know what I mean, just
be able to do this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So we really appreciate that talk Johnny is behind a
lot of shit that's already like no, and shit like
he pieced to beat up?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Like no, he who pieced to beat up? Maybe somebody
else got a recognition for it.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
But yeah, I mean it goes like that, just just
it was a learning process for me getting into the
game early as like you know, eighteen years old was
like my first placement with was it Genuine at the time, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Think it was what what what? What song was it came?
Speaker 8 (03:33):
I don't even remember the name of the record they
had at the moment, but Genuine was the first like
official artist to tap in and say, hey, I like
these beats, you know what I mean. And then that
was in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area, and I had
lived out there, and I just learned a lot, you know,
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with just work with artists. I didn't know nothing about
no publishing. I didn't know nothing about no proper crediting.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I didn't know nothing about that work.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
All I knew is I got these beats and I
want to give them the folks, you know what I'm saying.
So along the way, you know what I'm saying, I
started to learn. I started to learn what what it
looked like to have proper you know, representation, what it
looked like to own your masters, what it looked like
(04:23):
to you know, just how everything broke down. And uh,
I was able to gain a lot of experience by
working with artists like that and working with hit Maker
and working with you know, just a whole lot of
artists and producers and whatnot that definitely got the gold
sauce all on all the records, and a lot of
them guys still used the formula that was laid down.
(04:45):
And but now it's a new day. You know what
I'm saying. We got we got new records that this
shit don't stop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So, yeah, that's dope. That's dope. I think about like
John and his records and what we've been able to
like do and create work. And you're right, bro, he's
behind a lot of he's behind a lot of people
found and he's also want them, you know, one of
the producers and writers who's not selfish. He'll lend the
idea just to make the record better, even for his record.
(05:14):
I've seen him touch a lot of records that wasn't
his and just laid the idea that might make it better,
and in fact he did right, So shout out to
to you go behind twenty four y'all. Oh yeah, yeah
he had twenty four hours. Man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Me and my brother, we was able to Yeah, man,
we was all able to get together and go crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
My boys, Spencer, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He did? Yeah, yeah, See, I love this ship, you
know what I'm saying. Like I even met I met
Johnny doing them What the hell? I was doing a
magazine interview. It was a.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
It was a hip hop magazine magazine interview.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He downstairs in the studio. Yes, sir, he just don't
have enough. He'll pro said, hey, what's up.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm like shit, hold so he'd be like, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Know, you do music whatever we like, but you're up
in La. I'll be over here, you know what I'm saying,
holding it down through the dude. But we hear this
ship all the time. As artists. I'm like, he like,
let me play something. I'm like, damn, you're gonna count me.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm like, I got his I got to hear song
you feel.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm like, all right, I go in this studio. I'm like,
let me see what's saying. He plays some I'm like,
all right, you play something now. I'm like, a am
like you record it an hill. He like, yeah, nigga,
I know how to engineer it. That one thing with artists, bro,
(06:38):
we hate recording with new niggas.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Cause it's like buying weed from a new personal. You
don't know what you're smoking. He may say he can record,
get there, don't know how to do no, plug in,
don't know how to do nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He'd be like, all right, I'm gonna try that. And
when I went in, not only did he had this
shit already really like he had laid out already, Like
all you gotta do is just going there and rap insane.
Don't worry about me, poor, I'm gonna show you boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boo. Oh that nigga.
Ain't cat Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We're locked in, been locked in ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Sure, he said on the time cook Kitchen Fast, right,
John really got experienced cooking. I remember, like it's start
way back from him and me, start back in like
ninety five. John used to sneak out the house with
my older brothers to go learn how to play the
studio right good. So yeah, because my mom wouldn't less.
(07:38):
She wasn't going for it na studio.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
No, no those hours, but you go where you ain't.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Going to the studio. But my brothers was into the
music at that time. So John would tell his mom
he's coming over kicking with me. But he would sneak
out with my brothers and go learn how to work
everything so we can figure out how to get these
songs out. He had songs in our head all the time,
but he had to PENSI really figured the sh out right.
So that was one of the earliest ways he was
getting into it. And they were like, you know, we
(08:07):
around sixteen we started making our own records. We uh
convinced one of the one of the one one of
our mentors we had I never forget. We had to
sit down with Intel right because it was about bridging
the digital the vibe because like it's like, okay, cool,
we're gonna give you our computer lab. It was like,
we're gonna do a computer lab. We can make a studio.
(08:27):
It's about to say require the same thing. And we
made a pitch. He was like fifteen and sixteen and
got them to sponsor the first studio and that's when
the music first started happening.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it's all that's hall y'all fifteen ninety five.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
But y'all, no, no, no, Now, we've been friends since
we was little kids.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
We make friends, uh, you know, racing in school and Ben.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Don't let that nigga try to shame you many, brother.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
And you know what's funny about that that first studio though,
that that we got uh Victoria Monet right at the time,
because she's from Sacramento as well. Right, So it was
we had our one brother, Drew Scott, who was cold
on the keys, but he was known all throughout the city.
He was like one of them catch that player at
church every church. He might play at this church on
(09:25):
the eight o'clock service, play at this church at the
twelve o'clock.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So he was like that.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
But he was young too, we're the same age. So
he would come through the studio we'll produce together. And
one time Victoria, Uh, she came in and she was
maybe a year younger than us. She might maybe be
in fifteen, about fifteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
At the time.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
She was like, Hey, I think I want to sing.
We were like, all right, come on, we're gonna show
you how to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Ru you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Then you know, he called he got that. I don't
want to interrupt, Walt, bring your ass on. He like, man,
I just I just got to walk your hands.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Damn she cold too.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What she went on to do, it's amazing.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
So it's it's some it's some real talents come up
by the Sacramento man.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
In fact, but show for sure.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Oh look so he get you right, we'll be Yeah,
we can't officially start to show to somebody might go out.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's like a good look, let me get let me
get your back, No canna get your bright back.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, just having all the time, get your.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Let me get that. Let me go you you you're
right here.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Lot uh the world bus ride.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Put her head around. Yeah. Yeah, that nigga was creeping
up coming to the city. What he was sitting on
the couch she came behind that ship was funny back.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, we beg were running.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
All right, being from a situation like understand, like how
does she go like explain when emy and I and
like the recognition and all that starting to come into
fruition life.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Explain that that that's a crazy entry point. It's a
one is It's like one of the awards that you
never would you never wanted life to take you in
a direction that won you that award.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But I'm part of a collective. So I have a
music group, Soul Development, and we're part of a collective
called Be Imaginative, and we do healing circles for mothers
who lost children of gun violence. Damn. Right, And that
work came to my life because you know, naturally, one
(12:03):
of the brothers that really got to John on the
wing and got him in the studios my older brother Kareem,
he was shot and killed in twenty fourteen. So I'm
sorry that so we started. Really I had already been
the context is this while John is doing this work
in DC and working on the records, I'm a teacher, right,
(12:24):
So I was a special education teacher in Southeast DC
in Northeast DC. After I finished school, I went in
to teach special education. And after I taught special education,
I became the dean of students. So when I became
the dean at like twenty four I was able to
create programs and create culture. So I'll never forget this
wide all tie in. I'm I'm in my I'm in
(12:47):
my office when I get the call to my brother
past and my students that experienced so much loss at
that time, they could see what the phone call look like.
They know what that shit looked like. And Trey Vaughn
was his name. He didn't want that held me up.
But all this becomes like really part of how to
work because when I started to go into gun violence
interruption spaces, I knew what this shit could feel like
because I saw it all my students first. They was
(13:09):
walking through the school with missing siblings and homies and
having to walk through that. So they taught me a lot, right,
It was like my first grief mentors. So when it
came time for me like to work on I was
working on the album at the time. It's called Peace
Came I Nen't forget, and I was me and John
was working on it. My goal was to take it
back because I was living in DC at the time.
My goal was to take it back to Kelly. Let
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my brothers hear it so I can you know, so
you can see how I matured like, you know what
I'm saying, my nice yet you know what I'm saying,
And granted I knew I was nice, but what I'm
saying is you want to earn this certain like yeah,
that shit is real from certain people. But I didn't
get a chance to present that album to career, right,
So I had to keep working on it because it
wasn't done now, so that getting me into the space
(13:54):
like working and telling the stories around gun violence, interruption
and turning the stories were lost. So then my groups
sold development. We did a documentary with KQED in the Bay.
We sat down with them and they were like, we
want to do a story on y'all because at this
time we're all teachers. Bro, We're not just teachers now,
we're school founders. So shout out to Rose in Concrete, Oakland, California.
(14:17):
What took me to Oakland was I got a call
from the homie Jeff Duncan Dade and he was like, Yo,
I need your help getting the school open. You're talking
about I'm living in DC at the time, and he's like,
check your email. We just got approve but a charter.
So it was a school called Roses and Concrete and
it was a TUPAC legacy school, right, So I met
(14:38):
dude on the speaking circuit. I was trying to go
to grad school. He was a dope lecturer, so we connected.
But I moved to Oakland and helped launch the school,
and that's how we sat down with KQED in the
Bay Area. They're like, these teachers are amazing and their
music is amazing. They said, we can do a story
about you as teachers in the community. Cool. We can
(14:59):
do a story about like the music and making the
music cool. But they learned it like my brother had
just passed a year prior and they saw me like
really working through that and they're like, or we can
do a story about you all was working gun violence
eruption and that's the work that they chose to follow. Now,
so the Emmy comes in. It's crazy because we're doing
(15:21):
a film. It's called When the Waters Get Deep and
it's available right now. It's on all platforms on YouTube,
look it up. They played it. I got a homie
that came home from the pan Bro he saw this
because it was on PBS in the penitentiary and he
was like, man, I got to meet Bro. So the
dude came out to meet me just to really acknowledge
how I was telling that story surrounding you know, the nuances, lost, revenge, grief, anger,
(15:46):
all the films that are justified. While doing this film,
we're filming when the waters get deep. While filming this film,
my wife and I experience of full term loss. So
we were pregnant with our firstborn child. This is a
forty one week pregnancy. So you asked me, how do
(16:09):
we get into the Emmy. That story became when the
pandemic came. So we were going to take this film
on tour, but we couldn't take the film on tour,
so we created another film with the tour budget, and
this one was called Dear Beloved. The mothers that we
were talking to, the mothers that were in our first documentary,
they we now have the courage to read letters to
(16:31):
their sons. They're reading letters to their sons. Were in
the sixteenth Street Station, West Oakland. BJ McBride director, another
one from Sacramento. It's all people from Sack but we're
in there. Bro and Soul Development records another album. It's
called Dear Beloved, and that project is the Emmy Award
(16:51):
winning project. So that's how we got to the Emmy
asked me how I got there bro a path that
I would have never chose, path that no man would trose.
But it only happened when I kept putting one foot
in front of the other because I couldn't go back,
can't go back, that's just crazy, hey, But look for me,
(17:19):
it's just a trip to be able to speak it
as freely one. I can only tell the story like
that one because I feel I'm with my nigs, I
feel safer here. Nobody like going back to any moment
of particular vulnerability to revisit a part that don't feel
like it don't give you good feelings, you know what
I'm saying. But it'd be like, it'd be really novice
(17:41):
to try to fast forward past that part or not
bring that part to a space that's as real as
this to me, because all I know is real talk
over here, And you just realize how many you know,
how many times people are carrying things that you can't see,
evolving through things that you can't see. Like, did I
(18:02):
think anytime during those points of loss that I think
that anything would bring me to a conversation like this
with people who bring joy to me, and I laugh with,
and I chill with, and I build with, and I
pray with. I just think a conversation of from from
that point of my life to bring me here. Well,
we're here, doc here, love here.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Both of y'all hear about it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You do what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think that that be the the lessons.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Like you said, man, that we don't know until we
go through it, and we we don't choose any of
our trouble. You dig what I'm saying, and what we
learned from the trauma is what's gonna take us to
the next step anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
M h. Feel we allow the.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Trauma to overcome, then you're not really saying full purpose
in the lesson you feel me like you got people
that say, well, you must don't feel so I ain't
never told you he never felt nothing. I'm telling you
you keep going, so you rather me tell you what
you want to hear versus what you need to hear.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Ye, I very much understand that. I didn't say I
didn't feel I just had to keep going.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All I said.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, I'm not feeling to courage you to cry, but
I'm not saying it wasn't okay.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
If you did.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yea all, I'm telling you what you need in order
for you to keep going. You want to shut down.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
They like what you told me and what I wanted
to hear, because I got some emotions that I gotta
let go.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, I know that. Yeah, that's why I didn't tell
you what you wanted to hear.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I told you what you needed to because.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
What you wanted to hear probably ain't good for you too.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
On the reel, on the reel, on the real what
you want it, don't boil down to what you want,
sure does it not? A lot of times real it become,
it becomes. Really it's really the art of I think
I call it's right keep going, the art of relentless incrementalism.
(20:20):
Micro steps. You just got to keep just keep stacking them.
You keep going in some way somehow right. I take
it to the point where it's like I can't tell
nobody how anything is ever going to end up. I
just know that the richest man in the world can't
go backwards. There's nothing that allows us to go backwards.
(20:42):
So the only place you can go is forward. You
can't stay still, you can't stay in it. You cannot
stay in it. Because even it's changing. So what I've
learned this from just by going forward, it's not an advice,
it's just reference. I can't tell nobody how to deal
with nothing. I can just give you reference because everybody
trying to find their steps. So reference is what we do.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It became, it became more than just like how you
learned talk.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
So I used to give yourself sustained because even though
I was just in what you're saying, a lot of
people like to replay, like to replay pain or to
replay the trouble.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And if you know you don't like the pain, why
replay it? Yeah? Yeah, So I try my best to.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Anything that got onto me to not replay it. I
think I'm gonna pregnice them a little bit more, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, God, damn, Bro, I
ain't saying cry but God, try the game. Mm hm
you feel me for what?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But but but but what for whom is it good for? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
What what is this fascination right with seeing me in
this state? What is this fascination with seeing us?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But once you realize it's emotion, once you let it
all out and.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Realize, Damn, I still got keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like okay, at that point, then what is it?
It's a release point. You fear me, so okay.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Then then that's when you be like okay, that's when
I try to keep yourself in good graces so you
just won't.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Have unexpected releases.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Mm hmm. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
You have a channel, so you be like, okay, speaking
certain things can trigger certain ship where you were like,
oh ship, Yeah yeah, that's an unexpected Yeah, you ain't
know that one gonna go?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
How do you get yourself together?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
See, the craziest part is like that the whole the
whole path is ain't none of it predictable? You know
what I'm saying. None of it is like what you
just wanted to be. You just take it. You realized
the artists ain't taken it one day at a time.
But the truth of what I'm saying is like, it
ain't you know, you can't predict it, and it don't.
It's now you high. It's just that's like it's gonna
(23:01):
come when you suspected it's not. It's not coming at
a convenient time. Those feelings they come, they real, they real,
and you learn to acknowledge it. You learn to figure
out what's coming to tell me, and you learn how
to keep navigating the responsibility of one foot in front
of the other. I feel I feel like it's like
like a spiritual war. Look at it, how like being
in the war.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right, No matter how fraid.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Or how frustrated they might be, they have to they
have to keep a certain composure in order for them
to get to the next destination.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So you in the battlefield and this blood a lot
of shit they help going like that, you like.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Times out, Yeah, total chaosity. But then you have to
rely on your training.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You got to rely on your training.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And what is that training that you've been you've been
so purposefully training on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Wow, this is when he kicks head.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Hey, let me tell you some training. So this is
my this is my brother right here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Man.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So I've seen him go through loss after loss but
having resilience and also seeing him stand in the space
for students, for relatives and friends.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But now when he's in the.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Space where he needs that support, it's like, man, it's
kind of hard to find. So he had this book,
he had this book written and it wasn't even a
book at the point, it was him just getting into
a practice of, you know, let's just write some affirmation
what I'm saying. Let's just make this a healthy practice
of writing informations. And he had he had the composition
(24:39):
of affirmations done. And I remember we were sitting at
his kitchen table after the loss of Camayu Sou and
he was like, Bro, I just don't got the answers.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I just don't know what. I just I can't.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I don't want to hear nothing. And I said, you
might not want to hear this, bro, but you already
did the work. It's in that book. And I damn
sure wasn't trying to hear it.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I've remember, and I remember because it's coming from my
dog too, right, So it's like you ain't trying to
bark on a nigga. But it's the only place I
can really tell you how I feel. I don't feel
like hearing none of that, right, none of it. I
don't care what's in there. But it's just it mattered
when you have solid people beside you. You did what
I'm saying. And when I realized that, like my own
(25:31):
experiences were not just my own experiences. First things first, like, yes,
it feels like it's just you, but it's never just you,
Like none of us is just us. So when I
realized that other people haven't experiences similar to my lived experiences,
I realized that reference is what we need. We need more.
(25:51):
We need more, We need more reference, We need more stories.
We need our voice, right, we need black men's voice
included in there in conversation, including in how we're doing,
including with how we checking on each other, Like, we
need our own voice because if you it's very easy
for them and the general public to assume we don't
(26:13):
feel It's very easy for them to assume that we
don't have feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And this isn't just like modern this is a historical practice.
We're not as humans, so we don't have all the
human emotion, but we do got full range of emotion.
So I just realized that bro, like I needed to
leave my leave reference along the journey from my experiences
in case somebody else has an experience. They they got
(26:39):
something they could rely Yeah, Bro, they got they got
some They got a place they can start from Andy,
not starting from scratch, because we have a grief for
literate society, so a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Don't know how to deal with it. But I'm so
thankful that I was brought up in the church. But
God got his hands on me, and I know that
has my only best friend. And that's that's I know
who got the answers. It's just like how you said,
Like you might not say I don't want to hear
right now, but you know how many times some nigga
(27:08):
might be like I don't want to hear, but at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I know I got to hear.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
That.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, somebody got to say it.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So it's it's more so like I already liked them
being conditioned to know that there's this way of feeling
and thinking and then there's this way that I.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Have to move.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Even when you feel like this, you know you got
to move like this.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But this it always shows you the separate, separate too
of why this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is gonna always be the best route.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, you will never not had these feelings because you're human. Yeah,
it's spiritual.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
You have to be strugg enough to always choose this side.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yes, I agree, and I believe that happens through practice
and repetition, right, that is what that is what the
faith is is practice and repetition. Right, And like you said,
we've partner, so I really know how it get down
that I ain't seen you step to no stage ever, ever,
no matter how many tour dates, no matter how many tired,
how tired you are, no matter how much time you
got between, I ain't never seen you step to stage
(28:18):
without sitting inside you can't give you your thanks, right.
So it's like the repetition. But I realized that we
all need practice with repetition, and how we train our
minds is going to have a whole lot to do
with how we respond in time of need, ain when
time is easy. So the affirmations is like creating the
conditions for us to rehearse the knowings so that we
(28:38):
know what so we know how to move in case
whatever the day is, but whatever it brings itself. But
in terms of like the faith, I'll just tell you,
like this, bro, there's absolutely no way, there's absolutely no
way I could have made it to today without the
faith that I hold true, there was no tomorrow. You
(28:59):
did what I'm saying. I remember. I just remember telling
the enemy, look, look you get nothing. I said that
out loud, I declared it out loud because I just
knew that, Like I already knew what happened when I
lost my brother. I remember how I remember what revenge
feel like. I remember how creep into your brain and
become your best friend, and all these ideas becoming shit
(29:19):
that you can't like, you are not necessarily obsess over,
but you can't get rid of the feeling, get rid
of the idea. So I knew early and on like, look, bro,
you getting nothing on this one. No matter how hard
I fall, no matter how what it feels like, it's
gonna be me and God at the beginning and the
end of this. And here we are. He's still getting glory,
he's still using Yes, he's still mobbing. He still put
(29:40):
one foot in front the other. So it's like, it's
all those things. It ain't no fast forward, but it's
just all those things. It's is who creates who's on
the couch today, right, and we still evolving. It creates
while we're on eighty five South today. It's like for
me fro you knoww many times I come to the show,
I remember coming to the show hight of some of
(30:00):
my pain, and John was like, hey, I need you
a fee to come out and laugh. That's crazy. I'm
telling you the truth.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Oh yeah, the first Oakland show, Yeah, where you had the.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, hey listen, brother, I'm telling you on the real
what We didn't just go to to go and pop out.
We came because it was it was a real place
we needed. We needed the laughter, we needed, we needed
the stories, we needed the layers. And you know, y'all
took good care of us. So my wife felt safe
because she didn't necessarily be out right, but we needed
(30:32):
to be out We need to change. Solid brothers in
your corner to throw you a player, and they say, hey, man,
this just change is frequency up real quick. So for me,
it's just a real, uh, real profound, fuller circle that
I'm here kicking it with y'all.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know what I'm saying. You know.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That capital that's the part that means a lot to everybody.
It ain't just being here. It's about man, Look where
the niggas had to keep mobbing. Look how they had
to keep going, and look how they treated each other
on the way, right, Look how they evolved on the way.
Look how you treat this family on the way like
I'm living by those virtues it's still putting one foot
from the other, still creating meaningful art, still making sure
(31:18):
my brothers like I need, brothers deserve to be well.
We privileged the name of the next book, brothers deserve
to be well? On hey, put that down, you want it.
I don't deserve to be well. Real talk, And like
you and I may be privileged because we have as
heavy as a cross. It is privileged to have good sys,
(31:41):
privileged to have faith, privileged to have people who are
willing to play a role to make sure every all
the needs are meant right. Not every brother got that right,
Not everybody got somebody solid in their corner like you
got it, like I got So if we don't create
the conditions for our brothers, but on a real door, right,
(32:11):
So like if we if we recognize that we had
these privileges by design or whatever, we got to make
sure we put game on the table, create the conditions
and put the resources out there for all of our
brothers to be well no matter where they fall on.
Where can they get this book?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Man?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That book is available everywhere that Soul Affirmations you can
find it. So all my mute, all my my merch
is sold under the music. It's actually under their because
of music first, but that's gonna be on bad Camp.
Go to Soul Affirmations ig is in the link in
the bio. Go to my ig Cariger Bailey. It's in
the link in the bio. It's available everywhere and check
(32:50):
it out. Thought just because it's a book, right, but like,
not everybody got privileged to have time to sit down.
Some people's commuting, some people putting kids to bed, some
people just trying to make it work. So we created
an album out of this as well. Right, So it's
not just a book. Uh, and it's not an audiobook,
it's an actual album. That what it is. Okay, get
(33:11):
this book saying oh yeah, oh yeah, so the book
is is? It became an album. I'm signed up for you.
It became an award winning podcast with my wife and
I sol Affirmations with Career and Felicia. My wife wrote
another one, Sole Affirmations, a toolkit from mothers who are
investigating briefs process. So I told you we sat down
(33:32):
with mothers who lost children, right, And I'm gonna tell
you like this too. Bro, there's a whole lot of
things they think gangsters do and and people like there's
a lot of fantasies in the hood about like how
we the money and what people got not Bro, it's
so seldom that the hood come up and pull up
(33:54):
and sit with the mama. Like it's seldom, and because
they don't know how to sit with her, that feeling
is too it's too overwhelming. But sometimes she's not looking
for you for answers, Bro, she looking at me. Just
check for her. She know you don't got answers. You
not God. You know what I'm saying. The way that
woman missed her baby, you can't bring it back. She's
not looking for you for answers. But we get so
(34:15):
caught up in like think we gotta have answers for
something that we be staying away from these mamas. So
I'm like the hood really needed to, you know, go
check on the mama. Go check on your potnam mama,
Go pull up on her. Just see how she's doing.
You don't gotta have no answers, You don't gotta have
no nothing. Just go see about her. Like That's one
of the things I realized one that the momss are
(34:35):
So I just gotta put that out there. Man, go
check on your potnam Mama. You know what I'm saying.
If you can, if it's in resource, if it's in reach,
let's go pull up on her.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Let's go pull up on her.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It don't got to be the Sun's birthday. She's not
gonna get their emoji hands on social media. She's not
on social media like that. So when you post that
on an anniversaries, those don't go on to her. You
feel what I'm saying. So we got to go pull
up on our elders. But I'll just try that out
of there because that's what I want us to do.
But yeah, bro, great, the conditions us to be well,
it's the resources, the music. Uh, I'm gonna sign your book.
(35:06):
I make sure I sign your book. John we got
another uh the album on the way, Wings.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
Over Waves Drop. Uh, it's gonna drop in May. It's
dropping in May.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
A lot of May stuff dropping. I got Drop.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I got my producer friends and you know up and
coming second, third, fourth generations. Man, say you cold with it, Johnny,
go what's going on? Drop some game on the up
and coming producers?
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Manus for the up and coming producers.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Make beats every day number one like beats every Day.
Just just get your beat.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Catalog up so that way when it's time to press play,
when you when you when you're in the studio and
it's signed the press play, you got stuff to go through,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So have have rapid fire number one. Number two.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Learn about publishing. Learn about intellectual property. Learn learn about
your rights.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (36:13):
What just just learn how to collect all your money
as a as a as a producer.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's a nigga. Don't give you what what.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He said, what first? Been waiting on this piece for hour?
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yet the first light DN game.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm a nigga that no lot that not overstate he will.
Now you get the first piece. I don't want you
to be telling nobody I got the first.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Know why I got two of them?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
The third piece, No budd Frosco. I try to get
some doumble nose out of steak. I told them make
it j like this. They did not.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You gott you gotta have to connect. They did not.
What's special about that one?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You see?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Okay? Okay, never like this?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
They little with somebody black little somebody said you got
all that thing and that stuff? Don't many want to
eat bread all day.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Puffing that up, puffing it up. One thing about that.
So we're gonna eat, they gonna have something to eat.
Gotta hands down.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
We're supposed to weed, not to have no.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Gotta bust down, y'all. You know, I don't know what
appreciate it. I might get involved. You might as well.
We just had a look, just a little pizza party.
Little ain't nothing but the pizza.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If you have no part, okay, want ship.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You're glad to be the ultimate reward? Oh yeah, went
on that?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
What but.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
School up into the last day.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I talked this the same.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Bullshit I was just I was just talking about and
I never forget. I got sick at one of end
of years. I did. I did everything I was supposed
to do this part.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Man, you man.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I tried to stick out the house. My mom came
and got me from that bus. Stop talking about you sick.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
You can't go.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm like, no, I heard this shot this pizza.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I need this pizza.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And if I don't go, John gonna get the pizza ed.
He goes a couple of skates and I'm gonna tell
you that he's gonna take the girl. You gonna couple
skate that's the bet.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
The girl a couple skate with.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I gotta go, I gotta go a couple of skate
aad his pizza.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You don'tunderstand.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I would wait all year for this. Damn pizza parties
used to go up. Absolutely, that's crazy. What type of
dead incentive they dangled over kids heads?
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Because pieces used to be a luxury, real talk, not
knowing get a pizza on a Friday night and it
be her best weekend for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Remember when it was enough pieza to have left over?
Speaker 9 (38:58):
Yeah, ain't the splices and ship and there was still
six slashes left.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
That's the best. That's the best. That is the best.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
But with that one left in there, you know what
I'm saying, even left in there three days turned up.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Ain't nobody gonna touch it though? No, he just started
curling up.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
One of your fathers work with you got somebody with you,
just start curling up like this, definite work.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's the work. This was or fresh. He took two
of the last flashes to work.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
The cheese was transparent on them.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
He didn't even eat him up. He's just left him
in his truck.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
On the head.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
That's sad. He didn't lie. That's somebody, that's somebody working
daddy right now, right right now, technical glid was Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It was Saturday morning, so he ain't lying.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You stupid. But you know it's crazy when you think
about it, like just the nature what we're talking about,
the whole pizza, the leftovers. It's just he said, the
daddy gonna take that one to work. Hey, we really
make a whole lot of work out of leftovers.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Bro I would have left over, man, you wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Just so we can have the leftovers like leftovers forget
it hits so hard on about day two, day three,
what after everything done settled.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
In season, this particular food, if it were left over,
it was ours.
Speaker 8 (40:40):
Anything that go in and Priderator is done anything anything.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
That goes in and you gotta take it back out
and read man in this household?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
All right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You better. First of all, I might be a road
to that part ain't looking.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
They get.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Cover that food up. It's won't be saving there. Niggas.
Nigga wasn't stunning wrong cause I was stuffing broke. I
was stuffing roach you.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But I'm telling you, but no leftover was in my house.
Sorry feel piece that was a luxury, A piece of
absolutely luxury, absolute luxury.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Man, I remember school lunch used to be here, man,
that's what piece used to be. Boom bit that square joint,
especially when she get that fresh slice. You see her,
she pulled that rack out of the whole pen. She
pulled them over and she spent. It's like that she
spent that motherfucker. She's like, I'm I'm a pick which
cone I want to cut first? You gotta picked that one, men,
miss Tew, you picked that cone. She cut that motherfucker
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did that. When I was a pork ship, they have
a saft one, a little squim.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
Yeah, a little und little sausages in it. We used
to have a squat piece that take up the whole
middle of the trade. Bro yep, quick around. I was
buying me extra slice for a dollar.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
It was a dollar A.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Yeah, that's when like the pizzas of the slices used
to be a dollar. Yeah, that's what extra pision. It
was the plex to be a line and tell the
lunch that I'm buying another.
Speaker 11 (42:26):
Like it's a second, get another, like it's a section.
Who a, yeah, she don't want to cut big bank.
You putting out big bank for that pizza.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Then you get out to that, you get to the
end of the line where you got to give them
your lunch number.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
The lady got a check to make sure you ain't
hold on how many of you got you ain't worried. Man,
I got a dollar with the token. I got a dollar.
I'm paying for this one to pay for lunch.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Bro I put around and put in a number and
it went through, and just are using that and I
just start using that bit that be at worked for.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Like five years streat man.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
I was like, bag, I'm talking about nigga. I paid
for luck every year until like ninth grade.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I just put in some ship. I think it was
just a one mile with like two It was like
three nine four eight some zero. She was like two fifty,
mister Midfield. I'm like, go put it three nine four
eight two one one. She was like, all right, all right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Like, hold on, hold on, I'm gonna hold onto that.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
I ain't no man about that. She's like, man, nobody
your accounts.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Look at the man money on count.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Love all right, every day fifty.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
Four getting ten dollars, hold on two fifty for lunch
and bitty for bro.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
You should have got that ship reduced reduced lunch.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Be like.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You to be there.
Speaker 9 (43:58):
That's make a count all that taxes on the school lunch.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
What he saying on the free lunch? Come on, bro, brother,
be like fifteen cent.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
But they just hate this ship.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Sometimes that would be the only time I would see
my dad when he would come up there.
Speaker 9 (44:14):
And pay for my little teaching kids the hard way
about credit.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, you can't have no breakfast.
Speaker 8 (44:21):
You all in school two dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
To spend your account.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Your mother has to send five dollars up here for you.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
This child food for five dollars.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Man, They send the letter home. Get you cussed out, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Talking about why you got these people in my business.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Denied their child food for mama.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Man, she ain't got the money. She just talking ship
back to the people.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
When you get to that school, you tell them, folks,
I don't got no damn money. I don't eat.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Take you up and down or something. Ain't nothing like
taking that.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You got school program? Read at school program?
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Yeah, but that my mother a school program. Ain't no
after school program. We live in the country.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh yes, take y'all at home.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Boy, huh, no after school.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Program, but take your ad and on what I'll see
you tomorrow. You can walk, but you closer though the walk.
That's crazy telling you in the kindergarl. I give a
fuck man in that room.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
This is crazy. Now we'd have been done without after
school program, Yeah, for sure, we'd have been done without it.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Yeah, I need Yeah, I'm glad I could not have
been in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
During the days of me being in school and after
school program more cause the.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Days that I was when I didn't, I got turned.
So imagine this ship. I see why once I got
like eighth, ninth till I'm live.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Everything I saw because I want to see. Yeah, you
see what I'm saying. Even though it was right outside
my door. Stuff, it was like I saw that.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
I'm like, oh, that's why my mom ain't want me
from this time, from this time, because this was going
this what's going on?
Speaker 2 (46:12):
But I'm in the seventh grade now I know what's
going on. But I realized why you didn't want me
home early. You killed me over here. You killed me
over here like superhids. I don't want them kids. Somebody
always had to watch me. Yeah, got to watch me.
We're gonna watch your June by somebody. Somebody need to
hear the fuck.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I need chaperone.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I came from the house key generation. Oh yeah, better
not lose that mother fucker. You moved your house key.
That was the worst day. So now you just outside.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, you go get your ad wards for sure, because
now they scared. They think a burglar go called because
they key out there in the world and they know exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
That's the craziest part. That's the craziest part. Somebody got
a kid this house. They don't know what house this is.
I'm just trying to Can we just cut me another key? Please?
Like no, I don't want to do the election.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I can't see. It wasn't that. It wasn't that.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
You also gotta understand, this is our room. This is
our responsibility as a child. We don't know, I know,
damn responsive don't put the big world on that. We
don't have a responsibility. We need and worry about not
shot on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
That's the only thing we gotta about.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
And you got me walking around with a house key
on a shoe string around my neck.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
You ain't even died right, think about it.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
We gave Versus way too much credit. We ain't Burglars.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
We gave Burglars way too much credit. I said, like,
they just gonna find the house. Kids, Miss Justin got
us fucked.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know that?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Well thirty five cheer.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
Everything on the.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Ridge, ridge getting points, getting points. I know that I
know that. Anyway, Well, this is crazy, bro, this is
absolutely crazy that we had to worry about this as
a as a kids kids.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
I had a kid in the fifth grade, but I
can only go home with my nephew, like I couldn't
be Like my mama knew me.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
She knew like if he did by himself, or he
anywhere by himself, he ain't got nobody he gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Absolutely ain't gonna tell me the start I was, I'm
trigging him, trick, I was triggering him.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Like them, I'm gonna believe anything guys say when I
came home from school, Hey, boy, now.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Why ain't gonna believe it? They're like what I'm like, boy,
is that I got into him with the principal. They like,
for real, I'm just lying the whole time. I'll get
all to the like I was just bush and they
like man a lot of kid Man. I'm like, why
do y'all keep believing.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's like the thirtieth story. They don't. They always believe
me bro, and they should have just known at this point.
I think they just love the stories.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
But but I felt like that was my first audience.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
I was performing it for a little because I was
trying to f I was trying to outdo each story.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I remember, I think one time I had nothing told me,
I started a food fight. I like Nigga. We was.
We was in the cafe tier I was when I
came home. I was like, hey, y'all, nigga, go downstairs.
I got something. Tell y'all. They like what. I ain't
gonna believe what happened to day? They like, what but
your uncle boy? Oh plate playing all? I got all
(49:48):
three old plate, old plate, and like what happened? Like
little Nigga, he was in the caf Tiers.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
We was all chilling. Everybody was in there being chilling.
I'm in the principal walk through the quiet. Everybody act
like they want to eat their food.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
You know, I don't fuck with pepperoni. Get what I do?
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I just tossed that pitch. They're like, where go You
ain't gonna believe it? Hit the principal dead in the
he little look piece all over he everybody they looking,
they looking. I'm just sitting there. I got a little
(50:30):
piece o that one nigga hit the sense of prom live.
They're like what I'm like, everybody just start throwing fool nigga. Shit,
were crazy, Nigga, My mama had to I ain't wear
this today.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
I ain't wear this, nigga.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I close.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I got yeah, Bro, I'm like, yeah, nigga.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Get down to the head because couldn't think of no more.
I was like, why y'all keep believing me?
Speaker 3 (50:59):
Bro? The craziest part is you went from telling the
story about telling the story to your nephews and telling
me so you put me in the audience just now, nigga.
When you said guess what happened next? I almost asked
like what?
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I was like, you do?
Speaker 8 (51:15):
Like, what what happened?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I was not throw How you think you think I'm great?
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, brothers deserted to laugh. What's your social media?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Man?
Speaker 8 (51:35):
Let them know how they can get in touch with
Johnny n n Y G O L D.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Johnny Gold Yep, very like that at coreger Bailey k
A R E G A B A I L E Y.
And if you find yourself in Oakland on on last
Tuesday of the month or Sacramento last Monday of the
month at the Men's Wellness Fellowship. So that's the that's
the group that I co founder, man, and we do
(52:02):
we do. We do something just like this, but picture
like a hundred and something prins buthers in the building
and we got a DJ, we got cater food, and
we got conversations that like just help us leave better
than we came. He did what I'm saying, whether that's game,
whether you looking for advice, what you looking for you
have an idea that you wanna bring to life, whether
nigga life is just going in the direction. You just
need a good word. Right. We've been doing this for
(52:24):
three years now, so shout out to the Men's Wanting Spellowship.
So yeah, man taping. Men just need to get together
and a lie that ship is healing, show a.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Good boy a start.
Speaker 9 (52:36):
All you ever knowed what old niggas get together, just
you can tell them best line.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Eighteen wes gat been. Last week.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I had piece let out, I went home in eighty five.
That night my father had mad up.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I ain't another I ain't even tell you about shut up.
Just exactly real, ship, I know, you know, on the real.
Don't look I got this crazy idea. I know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I know.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Y'all be working, y'all, be on the road, y'all, be on,
y'all go. We got to align it, man, and really
get you to pull up any one of you whoever
schedule pup to the men's wellness Fellowship. Here's the thing
we did a lot, Bro, we don't have medical doctors.
I want this nigga to come to this book, That's
(53:45):
what I want to him. No, because look, bro, we
don't have we don't have we don't have medical doctors. Right,
we don't have artists shout out to d Smoke pulled
up on us to looks like Roger pulled up on us.
I think the next part of this wellness exploration that
I'm just exploring his brother's like the need for joy,
(54:06):
the need for laughter, right, the need for Yeah, just
that joy and laughter part gotta be sustainable, you know
what I'm saying. Because coaches a week, George Different, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's great, don't worry. I'm meaning.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Plural plural.
Speaker 9 (54:38):
Now gonna tell you about the highlight of his life.
It sounds like some ship there to be on, like
some TV one, like behind the music ship.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
This point, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Was even.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
At this point. It was real bad. I mean.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
It's going crazy, wallowing, out of control, just out of control.
That's why, that's why I started.
Speaker 8 (55:11):
I wouldn't consider myself a freak, but I said, I'm
gonna heat them.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Coach, give me here.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Get that's great, that's great, that's great. Men, get here.
Speaker 12 (55:36):
You see see see.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is see see.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Oh no, no, all all ship. But at my lowest,
I was even.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
The day a week, focus a week, slow down, then.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
The money, then.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
The floor over drive the plan.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
He just picks them up.
Speaker 9 (56:29):
Man will be ordered to go ship a name. Man,
y'all know exactly where we're at. Man, y'all just be
the last time y'all stopped through the eighty fist and
now pull enough for real man. Eighty mins so all
were talking to is ghetto legs man, stay tuned, were
out of here.
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