SAMMIE in the Trap! | 85 South Show Podcast

SAMMIE  joins the 85 South Show to discuss his career journey. This episode features candid reflections on fame, family, and the music industry, from early success to navigating challenges. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, I got a lot of things in the works,
but I'm so I own. I'm one fourth the owner
at Creup Camp Creek Talk, You'll Talk, been doing that
now for a year. Got a candle line distributed through
Simply Naked Candle Cold Black, owned off of Walker Street
by Peter Street. Been doing that since twenty twenty one.
I've always wanted to get into acting, but wanted to

(00:20):
be a great actor. So I now have the time,
once I deliver this last album, to become a prolific
great than that. And then, Bro, you know, I also
like to be uncomfortable because you can't say what's next,
because that's you. But when you don't know what's next,
that's God.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Faith isn't believing what you can't see music, Bro, I could,
I could write a I could do an album tonight
if I wanted to. You know what I'm saying, And
I want to look done. This is my last official album,
doing the press, going to tour the album.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm still to forever. Yeah, album wise, my last my last.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Year.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Every now and yeah might.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Catch the Holy Gott mixtape and y'all can have it
if y'all want it. Oh, but this is my last
official album, and I want to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
On my own term independent from here on that.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It's been independent, that's the thing. It's been independent. But
this is my last who rode doing it big the
way where it's it's a moment because it's just like
I've done everything, and also I just like to I'd
rather leave before it's my time than that this is
my time. I hate seeing artists. I hate seeing athletes
doing it one because they have to to survive. Two

(01:38):
they surpassed their prime. And now you know Michael Jordan
who used to drop sixty three and a given night,
it's only able to get eighteen nineteen. Bigga. Don't want
to quit, Yeah, but sometimes you just gotta know transition
to just to just to leave on top before the
internet hates you before Instagram or you didn't tweet it

(01:58):
the wrong thing or didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
We need you man.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, they they looking to write you off though
they look at it's entrepreneurship too. I've always wanted to
be a Muncal too. I never wanted to just be Nah,
this is just a gateway to sell you this and
to pitch you this, and then having children has made
me also wanted to diversify my portfolio. You know what

(02:25):
I'm saying. I don't want to have to just go
on tour to make money. I want to go to sleep,
like you said, and put a little something in the
stock that I learned, and I get money sleeping in
my bed or playing mad at the crib. It's just
that time to really, you know. I take care of
the family, bro, take care of a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, and this music business is more fickle than it's
ever been. I got three hundred million streams worldwide in
those not bots, cause now I think everything is starting
to come to fruition as far as can you buy
certain things and pay for certain views? Is not that right?
But I ain't. I ain't make a million dollars off

(03:03):
three hundred million strange. And I wrote every song, vocal
arrange myself, sequence the project paid for the studio time,
which means Howard used to be the math is not
math and one plus one is not tooing for me, right,
And when you understand the evolution of the game and
how it's never really beneficial for us anyway, it was
they they they oh we gotta Sammy okay, And and

(03:23):
then Sammy runs out, then we go get this and
try to make him say right now. Fortunately for me,
God said otherwise, there's only one me, And I'm grateful
for that for sure, for sure, and I'm humble for that.
But I understand you evolve or you evaporate, and I
would hate and dread the day that bro this album.
I'm like twenty nine songs in I started a year ago,

(03:44):
and it's I promise you, I'm dropping a forty piece,
maybe a fifty piece and put it out there. It's
gonna be like her you just like Nigga. Here you go. Yeah, yeah,
like a a side B side, honestly for sure, because
every day is a song. You just gotta look for it, right.
And the more I keep living, the more what I
have to sing about. But I'm also tired of manifesting

(04:06):
from a spiritual place right the things that I write
that's coming into fruition. I write my best from pain
and sorrow, but it might heal you, it might heal you.
I'm tired of experiencing that I got a beautiful, two
beautiful little girls I look at every day that I
just wanna be my healthiest self mentally, spiritually, financially, and
then bigger than that. Freedom free from expectations, free from

(04:30):
having to be perfect, free to make a flaw, free
to make a mistake, and uh, leaving on my own
terms is the best way for me to do it.
If understand that if three four five years from now,
the beautiful thing about music, bro one hundred three thousand
retired and he came back playing the flute, you know

(04:51):
what I'm saying, so true, and and and he he
had this whole That's what I'm saying. So when you
say retired, that's a that's a infant to me. It's
just I'm going out on my own terms. But however,
if God tells me to come back and create another
R and B project, so and I've lived a life
and I have the content to do, so I'll come back.

(05:11):
I'm sure. I always listen to my spirit talk talk. Yeah,
but my spirit right now says leave out on your
seventh studio album, the number of Completion, and it's called
the Journey, And it's a owe to my daughter. Yeah,
and she changed my life and also saved my life.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think you built for it, though, I think it's
built for it. Though.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Last no, I'm built for everything.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You built for it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Man, you know exactly what you supposed to do along.
Oh yeah, yeah, I play all some joints for for sure. Sure,
but that's all. It's not like A. It's never uh.
Ain't no quitting me.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Ru Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
We all have our days. R. You feel what I'm
saying where you're tired or you're mentally and spiritually depleted.
But uh, this is an A. It's how we're supposed
to celebrate funerals. We supposed to right celebrate the life.
But y R, the flesh feels like you're supposed to
live eternally ruk because the spirit does ru That's the
same thing with music. Music is a universal language. Everybody

(06:09):
in his room speaks music, hip hop, R and B, rock, gospel,
et cetera. This is me listening to my spirit and
God saying I need you to be uncomfortable, cause you
too comfortable.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I need you to tap into the other point where
I'm really called you to be right. We all chosen.
I just learned that a couple. We're all chosen because
we're all here for a reason, but few answer the
pol because that call is a pool. There's something pulling
me to talk more and sing less. So maybe I'm

(06:43):
supposed to start a foundation for young men that don't
have a father, don't have a uncle or a man
kingdom man figure to preach to. And I don't wanna
be in nobody's pool, pitt. I've saying more than most.
You know what I'm saying, right, But I desire to
be godly. I desire to be a righteous man. So
maybe that's man I'm supposed to move to mm hmm.

(07:05):
And where I'm doing things from my honest and righteous,
pure heart and my hardest partial in the right place.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's the main thing.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I'm rich. I know you every day going crazy and
we going what you're supposed to do. Yeah, So I'm
excited to not know what's next. So I know we're.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Talking about the end and the next stage in the evlation.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know what I'm saying, elevation. I wanna take it
back to the beginning, yes, sir, okay, I wanna take
it to the to the beginning with Sammy with the
fro Man. Yeah, man, the day that you took that
iconic picture that you am in Florida, Yeah, yellow and
food fro Man.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
That was gonna be on all cat I got I
need to know, man, cause being a kid at a
super study, man, that ship would be like yeah, time.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I wrote, everybody canna be little, they gonna be little
slunk right right? What was you thinking? What? What was
your your your mindset? Or said like, first of all,
how did you get into music?

Speaker 7 (08:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And and did you know it was gonna happen like that?
I got into Okay, four years ago, I was raising
the Church of Christ right right, Everything again for me
is starts with God ends with God. And that's my
in between. Uh. I sung on a Sunday at a
program where you get to sing or tell a testimony. Right,
I'm just sitting down, but I just see my cousins

(08:33):
go up there and my Auntie's give a testimony. I'm like,
I could sing. I know one church song. It's called
troubles Don't Last Always, right. So I told my cousin Frankie,
I'm like, yo, I'm about to go up there, and
I I'm for it. He's not gonna stop me. So
they let me go, right and I started singing, and
they was like, all you need is to step that one,
hey boy? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah amen?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
That fueled me. You know what I'm saying, and I
really was just like one key and doing little rifts
and runs right. And from that day forth, everyone was like,
he really has a voice on him. Fast forward four
years and it really you know, numerology is a thing
for me too, because God is very intentional on the
Bible about numbers. Four years from that, I'm humming during
the test second grade. Ms. Allen goes, do you want

(09:14):
to share with the class? I'm living in Miami, Florida.
Brown's up going to early to heights. I didn't know
what she said, but naturally I was a mannerable young man,
so I was like, yes, ma'am, and I'm singing now
a song that I was humming during the test that
I'm not supposed to do. Sends me to the office
sing to the principal. The principal sits me down correct, correct, correct,
and I've said yes, ma'am. So now I think I'm

(09:36):
in trouble because now I'm in the principal's office. Principal
has me sing yeah, correct, But no one says anything
like no feedback, just.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Next up?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Next up is my mom? Next up, my mom, Come
my mom. Don't play, Miss Angela, don't play. So she's
like one of those moms used to say, you get
showed out on where you show out at. So I'm
thinking that's a whooping come in and I'm like, they
talk you the same.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
It was like, he's too talented to go to a
regular school, he needs to go to a magnet school
for music. I get transferred my third year and I
go to Charles Drew Elementary in Liberty City. Right played
football for Libbery City Warriors. Shout out to Antonio Brown. Ab,
that's the homie. We played in the same joint. You
know what I'm saying. I always knew he was gonna
be AB in that school. I joined the group called

(10:28):
Wonder Three. Shout out to Terrell and Phillip. We auditioned
for the Apollo I'm ten, the other boys is fifteen, sixteen, and.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah so Apollo, yeah yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Apollo c calls back and they say we want the
little one right for Apollo Kids.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
No, not that, but it was like he done. It's
not that, but there's more.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
So I couldn't do amateur nite cause I'm ten, Right,
So we want him for Apollo Kids, and we'll take
the group as Emma to nite bring her back. Yeah cool,
I asks him, could I go? They said yeah, And
I did my Street More by Stevie Wonder. Steve Harvey
was the host. Rub rubbed the law, rubbed the law.
Terrified we got from them. Yeah, I said, they're gonna

(11:12):
let it back. We're gonna pray about that.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Some terrible niggas.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
We ain't do just being y'all, man, it's crazy, we
ain't doing that. That's how you get blame catchy a
war niggas. But once you're thinking about all the black
history that they came through, the apollow, we don't want
to get it.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
Won't even that niggas said, I don't even everybody in
the hell.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Y'all ain't been back since no President Little Please'm.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Sorry, y'all, apollow take my brother's back, because that's a
staple for me that it won't us. We just got
I've been like that. I've been banned from every MGM
grant in the world. But it wasn't me either. So
's another story for another day. That's yeah, yeah, I

(12:07):
get it. I get a standing ovation. My mom say, oh,
if you can conquer New York, you can conquer the world. Okay,
I do that, and then I make it to the
finals and it's a woman named Joyce Herbie. She discovered
Dallas Austin, myself, Jasper Cameron, and Lloyd I n I
call him Lottie. She flies to Tampa to have me

(12:27):
sing on the tape. Initially I was supposed to be
in a group with Lloyd called in Tune. They thought
me and Lloyd would clash because he's the start of
a group. And then I I just had a very
like alpha Florida boy, like we racing. I wanna win
if we play checkers, I wanna win if we play
I don't gamble, but if y'all teach me some night shit,
give me a little bit, I'm I'm i'm'a start winning.

(12:50):
It's just how my spirit has always been. So Dallas said,
we're gonna keep Lloyd as e lead singers in Tune
and we're gonna take Sammy to Capitol Records. And the
first song I ever did in my whole life in
the studio was in Nashville, Tennessee. It's called out like
it HM, We're crazy, And at twelve I was number
one in the country.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, four and a half.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Weeks, twelve year.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
How long are you doing now? Thirty eight y'all?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, I'm thirty eight now. At twelve, I was
number one for four and a half weeks in Billboard,
and I was the the beautiful part. I'm still the
youngest to have a number one on the billboard. Were
looking at a hands free This is real talk, and
and it's a crazy thing because when you're twelve, you're
not thinking about accolades. I wasn't. You don't even understand

(13:42):
what you're doing. All I knew was I'm cute enough,
sound good enough to make the girls go crazy. So
I'm not even understanding all the money I'm generating and
for my mom's but I'm noticing shit, you know what
I'm saying. The car my mom used to have, Nah,
she pulled up in the expedition Like, no, No, that's
when expedition was like a thing.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Ru you know what I'm saying. Then we had then
we had like the.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Four la wheeler's outside for Christmas and a goat cart
for this And I'm like, damn, like not knowing where
it's coming from at the time, cause all I know
is I'm popping. I went to school William Dandy seventh grade.
That's when I garnered fame. I was a normal kid
until spring break. That's when BT back in the Day
the Box debut my v.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
You remember your transition with it, Yeah, because I already knew.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I spent time in Atlanta working on my album, where
I got a deal, R got a little advance. They
don't know, cause we still still don't. Like we we
living kind of in the hood. Were living at Royal
Palm if you know where that said in Fort Loaderdale.
That's not like, don't get royal. I'm from all over Florida.
I was born in Boynton Beach, where Lamar Jackson's from.
I went through UH Fort Lauderdale High, William Dandy, Charles Drewitt, Miami, UH,

(14:48):
living in Tampa with my dad, West Orange and Orlando.
Then I came to the A. I'm on Florida all
the way from south to central. Like I can't even
rep one city because I've lived Delray Beach. My family's
still there Deerfield. I'm a Florida boy first, and then
I'm at l E and now like eighteen years Florida,
twenty years Atlanta, and I just started understanding, like damn

(15:11):
singing I can sing my way out the hood. I
grew around people that was doing bad things. You feel
what I'm saying. But again, my spirit never never resonated
with when people wanted to break in the house. I
was like, Okay, we're not playing football. At the more
we're not playing basketball, an, themore I'm gone put that
spring break though, nigga kid nah spring break. They played

(15:31):
the video every day on the hour. I like it.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
So I come back to school, my mom drops me
off like it's normal, and kids are starting to whisper
around the campus like dang, y'all seen that that new
niggas saying.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Me, I like it.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That looked just like his Name's happen.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Like I'm in a year book.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
They looking at pictures, they looking at me, and I
don't know what to say because I'm watching the shift.
I was just a normal new kid going to William
Dandy and after spring break, bro bt ninety nine gams
having them played out like it a million times and
everybody was like you staying me, bro Yeah, And I

(16:21):
was lying because I was like feeling uncomfortable. I'm not
my name saying I just looked like the nigga, But
I ain't right, that ain't me.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I'm twelve years old. I don't know how to
you got the throg? Yeah, I know, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Yeah, I had the video just like yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So I couldn't explain to them what was happening. So
I go home and I tell my mom. I'm like,
all right, mam, you need to come to school with
me tomorrow and tell like the faculty right who I
am now? Like, because she was like, what you mean?
I was like, there's no more dropping me off? And
I'm just walking the first period, you know what I'm saying,
Harry Hartible. And then it just started getting worse because

(17:01):
I like it with shooting, It just came out, and
then it just went because I was the first kids start.
And then I ain't gonna say I influenced the other
kids stars that came after me, but I influenced the executives.
Somebody said, oh, well, then Boto can work, Romeo can work,
Little Corey can work, Lloyd can work as a soloist,
Chris Brown, Mario Trey songs. It was just the pioneer.

(17:25):
Just look at the stats. That was me first and
I didn't fail. It was number one, and school got
tricky for me. Now the niggas hate me. Bro niggas
was like, oh you think you all are we gonna.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Beat you up when you go to pe.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, take your thro out.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah it was bad.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It was bad, but the girls loved me. So it
got to a point where I think, at that yea,
at the.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Time, the k like it was bad. Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Fly, I got a little. I got it. Look. One
of one of the last things Dallas did before I
went to seventh grade, Lennox Mall was closed, they opened
up for Dallas Auston. I was pulling stuff I ain't
I mean, I ain't never even know what size shoe
I wore. And I did that, and I swear have
got It was just me and and and uh. At
that time it was free rol entertainment, but now it's

(18:23):
rowdy records, but free real entertainment for Dallas Company. He
was like, just pick what you want. And I was
just picking stuff. I didn't even look at sizes. I
was twelve, picking size eleven. I wear nine, wear nine.
Now it felt good to me, you know what I'm saying.
I just never I just was never able to do that.
So that's another thing that started connecting dots. You know,

(18:45):
But you got one week of like being flyes before
you start repeating. Now, ah boy, I have months to go.
You know what I'm saying, I'm just David gap this gap,
this this echoing it. That's what they know.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
What I'm saying. That got. I'm just I never had it.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm just I'm just I'm just doing all kinds of
just whatever I pick. Bro'm just wearing it and I
ain't never repeat and they trying to connect the dots.
But after that screen break, bro, nothing was the same. Dog.
I'm on a Nickelodeon tool with Nick Cannon, l F folks.
I will go to school Monday Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Nick is everywhere.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, We'll go to school Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Sunday be over the planet, and then back in school
Monday at that school. But now I have security though,
like everything that ship so hard at.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Public State.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right now with the car right there. Yeah, because because
because I was getting threatened every day by guys. You
know what I'm saying, Like guys hated me Florida. Guys
hated me.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
You and clans they got to ship there and listen
to Yeah for sure, you're.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Sitting on a niggas shoulders in clad Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Anywhere I went in the hallways, I had to have
security helped me get to the next period that I
had to go to because my mom made it like
a mission that she wasn't never taking me out of school. School.
She was like, he gonna have a regular life too,
you know what I'm saying. And in hindsight, I'm grateful
for it now. It was terrible when I was experiencing it,
But from seventh and eighth grade I went to William Dandy.

(20:30):
Bro it was roomors like Seamy got beat up at
the behind the lobsters.

Speaker 8 (20:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I ain't want to bring that shit up.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Bro, Ain't nobody heard this true guy? The big cap though,
Big Cap.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Then then high school it got worse because now I
like it. Crazy Things to Do for Love two thousand
and one, Heartball with Bi Wild, Little Wang, Little Stupid.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Then my mom had this.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Bright idea because it was so uh, I would say,
hostel in Fort Lauderdale, Okay, we're gonna move to Orlando.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
That's worse, right, Yeah, Also because at least.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
The kids that that got used to me over two years.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
So we going to Fort lot of Delle High. Cool.
We got your back when you get out school.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, you ain't Hollywood, you humble right, We got your back, bruh.
My mom was like, nah, we going to Orlando. So
now I'm at a new school, new city, going through
the same hey, and now it's worse now one of
those six and Parker is out. So you seeing hardball
every day and I'm sitting in geometry next to you,
and you and.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
The girls only bad girls, say Jean, bruh.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
First day of school though you seeing me? I said,
do me a favor, yes, but don't say shit, you
fucked up, nigga. I confirmed it. We went to lunch,
same thing I experienced that William Dandy now at West Staunch.
Were in the ninth Greene Center. I'm eating a little
pizza by myself. I'm the new kid. Shout out to
my brother far still my best friend, best man to

(22:00):
this day now for twenty five years of brotherhood. He's like,
I'm responsible for showing you around the campus. By the
second class, he goes, did I win something? I'm like,
what do you mean, he's like, ain't you saying me?
I'm like, here we go again, but this time I'm
kind of prepared. Nigga's not gonna like me. El's gonna
love me. And now I'm in ninth grade. I got
a little more Cohn and so I'm talking shit though

(22:23):
if if it's coming, yeah, like I been bullied verbally
my whole life. This fuck you yeah yo, no no, no, no, no,
drop me off. I'm in Orlando security and in Orlando
first day.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh Shit'm by myself, by myself. I'm yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I knew what to say this time. So I'm like,
listen at lunch, I'm eating and everybody coming into me
like I like, like they can't see me, or like
I can't see them. They're like, are that's saying me?
That's samy, niggas niggas? I do need my goals. My
niggas is immediately. Niggas is immediately Matt. The girl's going crazy.
And I took myself to the office and I told

(23:03):
her principal. I was like, uh, you need to call
my mom up picture she could tell you what I do.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
My mom comes up and I'm like, man, you can't
keep dropping me off at public schools, like I'm not
saying me bro.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's already been number one Crazy Things, Top twenty. Hard
Ball did whatever it did from the bottom to the top,
certified goal. I can't just get dropped off at a
public school. And now these big niggas, this is juniors, right, Yeah,

(23:40):
like hard Ball was on one of those six and
for about three it was up there coming to house
two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yep, like ten nine eighty.

Speaker 8 (23:51):
But see from the outside looking in Bro, we would
we would just have sworn.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I was at BRO. I was at a wreck. No
and that now, Oh now, let me give y'all something
that i'm'a speak on because I seen Dallas Auston speak
on it on another platform. The PR answer, media training
answer was why did you stop the first time? Alright
from twelve to fourteen when you got from the bottom
to the top. I like it. Crazy things are do

(24:18):
for love and hardball and then you just disappeared. No announcement,
m no, nothing. The truth is my mother at the
time was my mamager aka mommy, and manager Joyce Herbie
was running co manager Dallas Auston was the creative all
three had beef. My mom wasn't letting the label get
over and just do what they wanna do. Joyce's like,

(24:40):
let us show you how to make him a superstar,
and Dallas is like, I just wanna do the music.
I know what I'm I'm doing. Leave us some lan
and he pulled the plug mid project. This is something
that we don't talk about. I was supposed to do
a remix of Crazy Things I Do for Love with
bow Wow. Never said this in public in my life.

(25:04):
This is why bob I got oh h, duh, we
see ye bou m m m mm mm. Once Bao
came out, they was tryna find a way for me
and him to collab. I'm not gonna say who, but
someone blocked it. No one. I didn't show up to
a whole photo shoot, that excuse me, video shoot that
was paid for in New York City, and they pulled
the plug on the Sami project. Right. They say, we

(25:27):
love the kid, but we can't deal with you, you
and you as a team. It's too much. Yeah, and
that's how I ended up back in public school. And
I never learned that until I was seventeen, graduating from
West Orange in Dallas. Austin pulled me into a little
office and was like, man, you turn eighteen March. First.
I've been looking for you since you went back to Florida.

(25:49):
I'm'a re signed you you going to college. I'm like,
it's not if dropples, God damn, come back to music.
I hate I hate school. I love the people, I
love my teachers, but I don't see m I done
been on a tour with LFO and Maya and Nick Cannon.
I've been on all that.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Why am I here?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Why am I sitting in class? My brain is already brainwised. I'm'
seeing the world, bro. I know how to get fifty
thousand on the show. I'm thinking I'm about to do
a job for fifty thousand. This is my brain, right,
this is my brain. Nothing wrong with anybody yet. Yeah,
I don't even know what gum like.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
You talking about at the time, at the time, when the.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Time, which where were they giving you?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right bread?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I'm already like lost in school WI while they
talking about algebra. Once they they fucked me up when
they did letters and numbers. I said, ah, yeah, write
a song right now, And I'm just flunk out.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I'll go to the
bathroom three times and for two hours cause I'm not
engaged with my life. Is not normal. This, you know
what I mean? I've seen too much. Steve Harvey was
being for somebody that told me I'm go'na be somebody, right,
and then you come out the gate with a number one.
This is before internet. These are cassette tapes in CDs.

(27:05):
This is going market and market, kissing babies, mom and
pop stores, signing autographs in the hoods of Brooklyn and
Miami and flea markets. I did all those things. That's
why I still always had an independent mindset. I know
how to make you touch me, and I know how
to touch you. Pause. I gotta see you, You gotta
meet me, You gotta see my spirit. You gotta hear
me speak, You gotta hear my music in person. This

(27:29):
internet thing is easy. I could record a song to
night and put it out tonight at the same time, rough,
rough mix. There's no reason why I can't touch the people.
But back then it wasn't like that. And uh once
he told me that.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I had thought nigga pranking. If for get mad at here,
I'm like, why about all I can do is talk
about all I can do this.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I knew it was the right man, Bro, God, damn
figure man and funk Bro.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Why man, I thought the nigga burst in the flame.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I ain't gonna tell you what light of.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
It would, but I know, yeah, I don't even know
what I was talking about. Nigga you were talking about?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Now that right? Everybody?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh yeah, Dallas, Dallas, here we go. The hell's going on?
That ship scared the funk out.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Of me, everybody, apparently I said this.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
Sound I.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Elna run, but we both got it. Hey.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I was hell bro.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Okay, growth regrowth, boom.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Find that out. When I'm about seventeen. Turn at eighteen,
I fly back to Orlando and I tell my mom,
I ain't going to college. I thought I was gonna
go to family with my niggas and be a really
a therapist or a psychiatrist. Always get into people's minds
and why they the way they are. You know what
I'm saying. The traumas came to Atlanta, Bro with four

(29:42):
hundred dollars. Oh that's another thing that fucked me up.
I made this money for the family, so I learned
over the years, had to endure certain things in high
school that's not normal. And no one again, I'm not
gonna pinpoint put at least a hund doone a hundred
racks away from me.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
I I was just gonna ask you a question before
you even just see it. That okay, cause I'm I'm
I'm listening. Okay, Okay, I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
You're a child star, number one in the country, number
one in the count highoneer of my time, my era. Yep,
you just.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Saw your life transition. Yeah, you're seeing a phase understanding.
You went from normal, Yeah to now.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
You're a superstar extraordinary ok time, Okay, still but yes,
holidays are coming up, things are happening, your skin thing,
You're you're paying attention, but you're noticing.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Nobody's is consulting you.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
Okay, correct, things are happening, and then all of a sudden,
you back in school.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
You keep having these.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Recess quick transitions and recess, and nobody is telling the
superstar what is really going on?

Speaker 8 (30:57):
Correct, As you grow, you'll find things out cause you
just say it.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
That is also saw your eighteen I've been trying to
get you. Yeah. Now you're older.

Speaker 8 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, where's your mindset, once you realize what was
going on, and once you put one in one together.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think that, uh, my mother couldn't separate the mother
and her and then the business manager. And in hindsight,
as a thirty eight year old, I've learned that it's
all about perspective, right And I could be feeling some

(31:33):
type of way about currency which comes and goes, or
I could look at my ethics that I haven't right now,
my spirituality and my godly foundation right now. I've never
been uh how do I work this? Nothing's ever happened
to me where I sold my soul, understand what I'm saying.

(31:55):
Never been on drugs, I've never been wrongfully touched. I've
never question who I am because of her too, so
I paid more attention to Okay, my mom mighta been
a hard ass, but she saved me from a lot
of demons and a lot of harmful things that I

(32:15):
know some of my peers have experienced. And that has
way more materialistically and monetarily mm monetarily Uh, but I
my soul is rich, my spirit is rich. I wear
crocs and hoodies and basketball shorts. I'm a real Flordaboard
slides with the hot socks every day. I ain't into

(32:37):
no designer for real. I got some pieces, got a
little rolly for myself, a little van Cleet, But I
ain't never even looked at this for time in my life,
and I've had it for three years. I'm looking on
the iPhone when you say that. So I think my
mother for saving my soul over me being thirty eight
with thirty eight meal and I'm soulless and unhappy and

(33:00):
miserable and trying to find myself. I'm found. My purpose
is to spread godliness. My passion just so happened to
be music, and that's where people get like misconscrued. So
there was a part of me in my youth where
I was feeling a way. I never verbalized this to
my mother to this day, but as I learned how
cold the world is, how cold this industry is. Bro

(33:25):
we came in this world, broke, we're dying, broke. M
money came by you into heaven. You feel what I'm saying.
So I'm more purpose driven than I am passion driven.
My passion is music. My passion is art. I'm good
at it and it's always good at it, great at it.

(33:45):
Comes easy to me. Never surprised myself musically, haven't written
my best song yet understood I did twenty six years
later from doing it professionally. But now in hindsight, thank
you Mama, you know what I'm saying, and for saving
my soul because that's not for sale and I wouldn't

(34:05):
be happy and complete if I knew I had to
do something that's less than who I am and whose
I am to garner it understood. Yeah, so shout out
to my mind understood. That was a that was a
mouthful here. Yeah, yeah, Paul, true story.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So that's heavy.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
But the it you it it it it.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
It shows them the maturity of the mindset of where
you took it.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, it's a lot of things you could do, and
everything is about choices. We all have decisions work. You
feel what I'm saying right, perspective, bro and being able
to control the mind cause thoughts become things and then
things provoke action. Before we do anything in life, we
thought at first you thought, then you acted upon that thought.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
So if I can shift my perspective to find God
and anything which I find God and everything, right, that's
my new self. This is me probably doing a month's work.
Me and you had a conversation outside about something. I
appreciate you pulling me to the side, praying with me
and giving me church, cause where true or more gathered,
he is there, there were gone, and what's crazy? I

(35:19):
was gonna do that anyway. You did it first, which
came from a genuine place, and I appreciate that for sure.
That's where I bask at. Brother. I pray f I
I do even say. It's so many prayers for you
in the last two years, Bro, watching what you going through,
Watching how you handle it, watch how you carry it,
Watch how you profess still the glory of God, carrying on,

(35:43):
pushing on. How can I quit right and my brother
still going. I woulda never had this moment if I
never kept going. But I never woulda kept going if
I ain't see you keep going. It wasn't my time
to speak outside. You feel it was pointing to me,
not pointing to you. So I appreciate you for being

(36:04):
the spiritual godly Kingdom man in every platform. Brother, you
give God the glory. If one person at a time
continues to embody those attributes, the world will be a
light a place we gonna never be comfortable, bro, so
get cozy. Being uncomfortable. You gonna always feel like the

(36:28):
odd body, even when you the start in the room,
cause it's in you, not on you. You always talk
from the spirit, You always moving the light, You always
moving to love and the gracefulness of God. And for
those chosen ones that answers the cause. Well, we got

(36:49):
a fight to fight, hm, we gonna keep fighting. Yes,
A respect Jesus name.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Cause.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's open shore.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
That's why we all, That's why. That's why I did
what I did. I appreciate that cause I I wanted
to let you know you do. You know what I'm saying.
I appreciate that I needed that. You need to do
a king like versa. Nigga. I it's crazy cause we
got the same you need to talk with man fresh
when you entered my life. I had your take. I
had your take. I'm thirty three years old.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
So to just even see us a line and still
just just letting us know that God is still working always.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I had to tape sitting in my room, yes, sir,
at seven.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
Like I'm staring at it, like I'm I'm put I'm
putting my face on your body, Paul, I'm like, what the.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Fuck that's, sir, Cause I had a fro too.

Speaker 8 (37:43):
But I'm like, I put that I'm in, I'm and
and it's vivid cause I remember I'm taking the tape out.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Cause I used to love all that shit. I'm I'm
just a tit and just eat at your top.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
I love used to hearing that shit hit and hearing
the record play, yeah man, and you come on, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Broy kid, you have a tape rough?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah man. They were making it seem like only adults
can do these shit. Yeah man, I was a superstar
early age, yes, sir, knowing that it was possible, Thank
you brother, and that and that's that's the the whole mission.
I I. I just aimed to uh, I aspired to inspire.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
If I could do it, bro, anybody could do it
for sure. I just decided I was great at something,
but actually good at the time, and then wanted to
be great at it and then from there life's gonna happen.
I know I'm great at this music thing because there
was obstacle after obstacle, reset after reset, and I never
lost my mind, right, God never left me. I mighta

(38:39):
left him, but I alway, he always gave me my
My My biggest fear in life, bro, is falling upon
death ears. Yeah, that's my biggest fear in life, praying
and God no longer is listening to me.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I gotta ask you this, man, cause you did get
to see success at a very youngest. Yes, sir, what
was that moment that hands you star strug though.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
It didn't happen til years later? Bro, I'm like eighteen nineteen, y'all.
Remember three hundred we bowl left three hundred.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Parties.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
You know what I'm saying? Three hundred. I like the
like the brom bowling. My highest is two sixty six, bro,
and I ain't even no real profession of my regular live.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Im good. We got to go.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I got a ball in the back, I got oh yeah,
you're going crazy. You're going to a bowling car my.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Bar three feet.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Now my first time being uh star struck.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, the moment that just had you like I was.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Eighteen nineteen bowling with my homies high school. Now I
done graduated and made it back to Atlanta, signed the
Dallas Starts from Bowling and bro Usher and shout out
to Keith. They all in the private room to the left,
right somebody and it could have been Key cause I know,
like now they like keeps it bro right. He was like, yeah, Usher,

(40:05):
shut up, you can vote with him. Bro, I'm got
damn you know what I'm saying with my homies. And
as soon as the Homies was no longer the Homies,
as soon as they told me I could go see Usher,
I'm gone.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I had to because it's because because.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I I watched Usher go from a child star to
a teenage star to his early twenties to Confessions. I
was an O four junior. I know when Confessions came
cause that's when I started working on my falsetto cause
I couldn't understand what was going on, Like how does
he hit these high notes and what is that going on?
I need if i'm'na come back to the game, I
need to learn how to do that. So just to

(40:44):
be acknowledged by Usher, bro. And every time I saw him,
saw him at the h you call them things in
uh vegas O, the Casidency. Okay, saw him at the Residency.
La Reed, saw me shout out to his wife, She
saw me we know each other. Took me up there
to seeing broke. Anytime I see Usher, I have the

(41:05):
utmost respect for him. I don't have much to say,
knowing I have a lot. I just candap him up
and just be like, wow, this nigga. Just let me
shake his hand and he knows me. He's like, oh,
I saw him shopping Christmas this past Christmas. I'm in
uh saxophifthy and saxs fist with his wife on crutches.
Fresh actor. I just saw him on uh the PPP

(41:27):
tour right, not not the peepe from pandemic but past present.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Future to it.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah. Sure, And he was like seeing me come over
here and take a picture. Man, I ain't even want
no picture. I just like, man, just hill up. I
love yes all your concert. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Oh I wish I knew you was there. I woulda.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I ain't got nothing to say it, just.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
May you better start talking? Hey man, this I'm just Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I've never seen somebody always so polished, so pure and
and sh still evolving, you know what I'm saying. Like
he's always Usher to me, he's just always on his
a game. His worth ethic is like impeccable. So the
time that I knew I arrived I was like eighteen

(42:13):
nineteen and then I have it framed up my house.
It's a Vibe magazine. Usher's on the cover and he said,
I support the Chris Browns, the Tray Songs, the Sammis
and the Lloyd's of the world.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
That was my grammy. That was it, Grammy to me.
Usher on the cover. Usher said that in the Vibe
magazine and he he's on the cover and his main
thing is I support Chris Brown, Tray Songs, the Lloyds
and the Sammis of the world. Wow. And I was
in the grind when that came out. I was doing
mixtapes for free, trying to get back on, putting out

(42:47):
things on lime wire and YouTube and thatpifth dot com
Live mixtape dot com.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
It's when you went through the sis, right right. R
ex manager took everything from me. I already had to
go through shit coming off of being number one. Now
I'm back in the mix at least on screen tours
and all that, and then my paperwork ain't right, ain't
on my business cause I trusted somebody and that was
a seven year reset. So I went to a four

(43:14):
year reset and the seven year reset. But the seven
year reset was more humbling cause I got bills. I
had a crib and faburn. I bought my first house
when I was twenty. Well as Fargo's wan. They want theirs.
I got a little whip outside. They want theirs. I'm
I got my sister living with me at this time.
I got my brother coming in after that. I got
all the homies who needed a head start in life.

(43:37):
Taking care of people. That's why God takes care of me.
I've always did it for the m uh pure place,
even when I ain't have it right now. I got
the most money ever had at one time, and I'm
still not rich in currency. I don't ever. I don't
think p people understand richest. Spirit might richest favor richest
people doing things cause they like you people as rich

(43:57):
cause you did for them and they, oh yeah, I
remember r I was on my last eight dog. He
gave me two thousand and he ain't want it back.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I just do.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I I plant seeds of greatness. Every day Rich is
opening the door for an elderly woman. Rich is saying yes, ma'am, yes, sir, no, ma'am,
thank you. I appreciate you. That's rich. Wanna get rich?
Drop little samples of godagness everywhere you go, and I've
been doing that. I'll never go poor. I'm'a always spread God.

(44:28):
You feel what I'm saying, Yes, sir so, But that
was a second step. That was the second step.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
So cause I hear you.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Cause as a singer, we do.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Transition that we learn things.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Now, you been singing for quite some time, and you
got ribs and you got runs.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Now you heard us shit and you said, hold up,
there's a falsetto what is that? You got to give
me the sauce? What did you do which song?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Oh so well?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I did was to even develop it right right? Uh,
it's the best decision I made when I decided I
wasn't gonna go to college and I was gonna come
back to singing. Right. I joined the choir at my
high school and we went on competitions. Now we singing
like classical music, singing things in different languages. They made

(45:21):
me the sec s uh uh, the section leader, and
I don't still to this day, know how to read music.
So I was just looking and this is how you
get your vowel right cause I'm trying to do uh,
which is a rift, but it's Oh, it's about how
you position all these things that I was like, I
was naturally gifted with m with music. I used to

(45:41):
just listen to Bridman night Boys men and I can
hear usher and I can just mimic it. No one
taught me. I never went to like vocal training until
I got a deal. Then they told me how to
run on the treadmill and sing at the same time.
Run up a hill, shout out to Marvin McIntyre. If
y'all don't know who that is, new addition, Sammy Lloyd
Seattra and really it's too many to you. I got, yeah, yeah,

(46:05):
it's but yeah, en scene and control the breath. So
I didn't know what a false was. Like a falsetto
is when most men, well not even just men, because
women do it all the time, but particularly it's more
impressive because a man is going out of what his
natural is. So if you can't hit this key that's up.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
There, you could cheat it with you could seat it right.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Staccato is when you chop it up. Bravado is some
things that.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
What Trey does.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
He sings with a lot of evado and crescendo, is
when you ascend come from. It's all these things I'm
learning in chorus. I knew how to do all of them.
I just didn't know what they were called. And then
I didn't know the placement and when to do it.
So once I learned the chorus game, it took my

(47:01):
R and B game to another level. Go back now
and listen to all my backgrounds. They're not R and
B backgrounds.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Like and for delity one on them.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, it's actually called face to face, but the hook
is infod t. You know what I'm saying. But listen
to my background vocals. They're very choral created. Got a alto,
you got a tenor?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You wrote?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I write all my music.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I was around Jazzy Young Dallas, Austin Young Dre and
Vadell Young, B Cox Young mm JD. I was twelve
years old, already trying to figure out how to formulate
my own record. Jasper Cameron was the first one that
was like, man, you don't need me to write for you. Shouty,
you already got it. So I went downstairs and I

(47:53):
started working on mistakes and writing on my own, and
I started to learn when the beat would change, from
the verse of the B section be sexy in to
the hook hook back to the second verse, or maybe
there's a post hook. And back then we did bridges,
which was when the core tane just happened. I met
Troy Taylor, who's my industry dad, go, I know he's

(48:13):
still and he gonna put your thought.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I ain't gonna have that. Yeah, yeah, he gonna put
your through it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I just I I recon I recognize greatness, I respect it,
and I just study it so I can and if
I could steal a little bit of usher, a little
bit of breezy, a little bit of trail, let me
get that, Troy Taylor, let me get that, be Cox,
let me get that JD. Let me get that. They
give it to you. Now it's on the internet. They
show you how they do it. Now it's up to
you to embody and study and become a student. And

(48:43):
then sometimes the student becomes greater than the teacher or
can teach the teacher something. And for me to have
lasted this long, I was able to evolve every time.
I never went through a place where my voice was
stuck in one spot. M you know that like little stage.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Even when you came, you came back. I was like, damn,
the nigga picked right back up where you left.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I was crazy. It was in course every day, sixth
period learning what stacado was and falsettos was singing different
languages and just harmonizing with this. We competed, bro. We
came in number two in the nation. We competed with
other schools, like what's the show that the movie? Classic?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Just that was that was us.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
That's what the god go on YouTube you can see it.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Car Remighty Car.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That was us.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
That was us, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Came in second place my junior year, first place my
senior year. And I was just doing it because I
knew I wanted to pursue music again and I hadn't
sang a song in like two years. So I was like, man,
I gotta get my shit together.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
And that's and and see, people don't understand even with
our background or how we grew up people.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Who really love music. We beat in certain organizations because
we like music.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I was in the band.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
Correct, you couldn't be in the band in high school
and walking into high school with these band suits on.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
But guess what I did? It and you ain't gonna
say shit to me.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I didn't wanna wear a bad road bro, dumb bitches,
ugly piel shoes.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
I had on ibuprofen, game bro, ibut prof bro.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I didn't want to wear a suit with a whooped
any more. But the girls was in course. All the
girls is in course. So that's really why I signed
up if they wore and then I ended up loving
mister Reddin now doctor Reddin My my core director, doctor
Reddin court director. Excuse me, he has a Grammy Talk
Yo talk, he has a Grammar post me graduating some

(50:57):
years ago. Inspire me. That's the only thing I'm like missing.
Did everything else I wanted to do, But even that's
like a gang and I don't play the game. Indeed,
everything is a game. I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
That's the only thing I'm missing. Yeah, yeah, Grammy Sammy
has a ring to it. Yeah, yeah, that's the only
thing I'm I'm like, And really just listen to just
listen to the album.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Who you were and who was you impressed by when
you was in the studio.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I know you don't work with a lot of artists.
Who was you impressed by when you.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Like, I collabed with or want to work Eric Bellinger
Crazy bro We Tore We Tore twenty twenty two Vibs
on Vibes tour. He did a song with me called
Show and Tell, and then I owed him one and
I knew it was on though, because I just know

(51:53):
how fast and how prolific his pen is. So I'm like, oh, oh,
you know, if I think I'm him, then my him.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
They're gonna eave the god.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Damn bruh surface And that man gets on the booth,
he's smoking weed. So I I don't do no bad
stuff when it's time to really like bruh. Like I
could sip tonight cause we chilling re vibh, but I
try not to. I can sip a little bit.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
This you don't wanna do.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
That can go that can against your voice. I'm watching
him smoke and then he's writing and he's just rifting
and floating, and I.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Was like, how you niggas, that's gift.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
You know what I'm saying, right, But I wrote my
posson about fifteen minutes and I only go one way.
That's another thing, like what I hear first, it's either
that it's not that, and ninety percent of the time
it's that. Every song that y'all talking about. It was
my first idea, cause I feel like music is not
a thought, it's a feeling. Remember, I'm coming from the

(52:48):
spirit every time. If I gotta think about this too long,
I'm good. Nah, that ain't mine. Go to another track.
He played it, I wrote it, I sang it, did
the harmonies, and then he was like, I knew you
as me. And that was my greatest compliment that I
got from one of my favorite writers, because in artists,
because I was like in my head, like, man, I

(53:10):
don't come with it, bro, you know what I'm saying.
He gonna let you, gonna let me know. He was like, nah,
I knew you was a same beast. That's that's a
and And to me it felt like how Jordan probably
rep recognized Cole. I love Eric Bellinger cause there's nothing
there's no box you can put him in. Yeah, and
he's underrated, but he's such a great guy for sure,

(53:32):
for such such a humble guy, such a uh h.
There's no ego. There's only art and ethics and morals,
and that's the principles I stand on so uh su
Eric be Yeah, I would shout out to uh. I
would say, eb chassy fays always the same since I
been a kid.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Jermaine du Pre knows I respect him, but I respect
Jamine the Pre more than he knows I respect him.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
That's hard.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
You feel what I'm saying. Bruh uh Jermaine the Pre
bro do y'all know how much of a living icon
still that he is in the things in the innovation
and the bow wows and the criss crosses and the
brats And that's what I'm saying. They gotta put more
emphasis on. Yeah. Yeah, it's a uh goat t pain

(54:21):
yup had the pleasure of you know, te pain is
a talent we've kind of maybe still never seen that.
You feel what I'm saying. He he embodies a sound
that the whole world took, m took and then tried
to play him for it. I don't respect that, you

(54:42):
know what I'm saying. So it's a it's a it's
a lot of people, man, anybody you see me work
with I'm not working with him cause it's for me, right,
or it's a look, it's cause I respect him. I
have a a admiration for him, and I wanna learn
something right. But it's a lot man uh of artists
that I worked with in my time or producers that
I've got to sit behind it study that might mighta
not known I was watching him. Who who you haven't

(55:04):
worked with that you would like to work with?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Usher?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
First? I've never worked with Usher, Usher Raymond?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Famous for making mother fulkers come true. I would I
would like to earn my respect and work with Usher
before it's all said and done. I'm a big Drake fan.
I uh, I respect the run that he's still on.
M you know what I'm saying in spite of for sure,
Drake is Is is phenomenal. Uh next to like the

(55:39):
old Kanye Drake is mine, M guy. And then Brandy
and I would go on to detox, not smoke, not
drink to be able to n even at a minuscule level,
keep up with her vocalist, cause Brandy is my favorite vocalist,
her and Kimbarell of all time. Yeah yeah, I can't

(56:00):
hear it. I don't care what it is. It's gonna
be crazy Brandy bro bro Brandy is. Her voice is beautiful.
That's not even the word. It's just like, it's not
of this world's If you never believe in heaven, then
just listen to Brandy.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Have you said this before? No, it's this couch magic.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
I'm trying to tell you nothing like Brandy and the
great part A.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
B Gray J is my brother. But but again, I
want to earn all mine.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I don't gotta start talking broll Ry J college sister.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
On the phone, right, I don't know if you hung him.
You don't tell me you on the plate. That's true.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
That's I'm standing now.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Though.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
People want to work with you the same way you
want to work with them. They just don't even know,
y'all both, ain't nobody see saying nothing?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I'm saying it.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I'm saying it's it's it's you're watching. I love you,
is Loveyer and Brandy? Ay uh yeah, those would be
the future. Those would be the those Yeah, those would
be the top three that I'm good. I'm good usher,
Come on, man, that's my idol. He's the reason why

(57:16):
I picked up a microphone. I saw us and just
thought he was the coolest thing and still moving. That's
just all your favorite what's your favorite us? Like video,
I would have to go uh mmmmmmm after the night,
don't it would It would be that because yeah, because

(57:38):
he just has his coolness about him. That's cool. It's
just it's just you know you again. You can't coach that.
You can't teach that. And uh and and I believe
that's the eighty or seven or one album. He was
just the biggest of bags confessions. Don't get me wrong,
that's the one. The whole album eighty one was artist

(57:58):
artists like large feel I'm about to go to the
I don't feel like that's status confession.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
I don't feel like you know, young drops always.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
He's always always be remember my way.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
My video.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Video in the middle of the video and then even
tell you why Ius just.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Just woke up with a pat on.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
My way is phenomenal. My way was the friends my
way with my favorite video.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I was caught up a right caught up the dance fight.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
Called up to caught up because when they when they
when they got into that.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
That that battle, it was getting time. He battling. He's
gonna turn he about to go fine, go crazy, bro,
is he gonna battle you?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
He's finna turned off.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
That one God damn, what the what the about here?
That was ring no ring, ring Creek. He had a
full here ring with him, didn't read no red.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Niggas.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
He came out saying, when you came out, he's fourteen
fifteen years old. So us is my goal, man, Drake
is Drake is one of my rap goats. And then Brandy.
I can't I can't even create the verbiage to express
how much I love brand It's gonna beautiful song. That
is beautiful. She's amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Bro, Damn, we can talk. This is how this is
how deep the conversation you're gonna be. Man, we ain't
even introduced to this nigga the whole time.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
We did, just go into it.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
That's what I'm saying. You know, if you don't that, man, man,
we might have to start a whole new series for
this DC, the Young Legend series. We gotta cooking in
the building. Man, Man, I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
Holdo, hold on, I don't know if I con is
the world, it's more so it's beyond I count status.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
It's like Hall of Fame shit.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
Man, y'all, y'all you fear me, cause we really got
more Hall of Famers than any other culture.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, yeah, out there.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
And I think the only thing that we be missing
is the love and support. We be letting the love
fade away and not embracing that. When I say the
f I am respect the moment when you introduce.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
When it was introducing to my life, yes, sir, And
now what I'm seeing it, I'm like, it was a
reason why I was staring at that teak.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It was a reason that's crazy right there. I was
getting hope from a mother nickel, yes sir, that I
was gonna meet and pray for and pray for and
influence and inspirer. It's deep spirit, It's deep God's design. Man.
Thank y'all first and foremost for having me. It's a blessing.

(01:00:50):
It's an honor to be on eighty five South Dog.
This is legendary already, and y'all just now built this platform.
I know y'all been working behind it since maybe for
a long time for too manifest, but it's manifested. Apreciate
you feel what I'm saying. I was excited to to
do this, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
We want one down with the fucking intro nigga. Keep
going the intro nigga. You beyond you are Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I love that you a legend, Thank you, brother, more
than just a star, yes, sir, one of the moguls
in the game, man, Yes, sir. And and and it
don't matter the breaks. We didn't even look at him
as breaks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
You sir, we was weighing on you. I'll tell you
that you feel me.

Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
And we was weighing on you as I was scared,
because every time you dropped, we were all right back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
With you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Dig what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:01:39):
And and and it's an honor just to be sitting
amongst legends when it's longevity.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Bro twenty six years, brothers twenty six years.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
Man, we got none other the icon, the legend, hall
of famer, him first, first child, star number one first.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yes, sir, No, come on, man, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I appreciate that we dig.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I appreciate the o G.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I appreciate that you did this ship. That's love right there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
That's what I said when I you know, because the
last time I heard you were young. You know what
I'm saying, When I was young. So then when I
heard that album, I'm like, okay, because when I you
know how, I too will be having like other people
like other people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
That you that you listen to. I seen you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I was like, what the fuck? I was like, oh yeah,
I'm on him out on my album.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, I've been wasting there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I ain't line thank y'all man, that makes that rot.
I can't tell y'all how full Uh, my soul, my spirit,
my heart is. I never even did it to be
anything beyond who I am but makes sense, but I
just wanted to be myself and always prayed that myself
was enough. And Uh, after twenty six years of staying innovative,

(01:03:02):
reinventing myself, evolving and not evaporating in the way I
did it independently ninety percent of my whole career, Brother,
I been putting my own money into my albums, sequencing
of myself, vocal rings in myself. So when you aks
like who right? Who the world be right? I'm like, Uh,
that's beautiful that you hear, Cause when to lose blame
me and to win and win don't mean money, wind,

(01:03:26):
don't mean fame, fortune girls, None of that win means
I gave this man hope. I gave you some inspiration
that you could be greater than what you made me
thought you could be and to be sitting amongst fellow
kings that are doing something that I inspire to be
a part of a podcast that's shifting the culture, that's

(01:03:50):
controlling their narrative. That don't let nobody come on this
couch and leave this couch and disrespect them. I watch, y'all.
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
The Bobby watching, you know what I'm saying. So now
I'm a part of history.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I know. I know everything that I talked about in
God's due time with faith and works will manifest because
I'm in the right place at the right gud divone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Tom Man, Yes, sir, let them know where they can
follow you when you're drop that man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
So we don't have a date, right you don't?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're still working. I'm twenty nine songs
in though, what bro, that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Sounds like you want to get me on the MONI no, no,
we're working.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Come on, come on, yeah, about to drop fifty piece here,
I'm dropping a forty fifty piece first of all, to
be side.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
No, I actually want you to be the fortieth song.
I told you that we show power in God right
in neurology and forty meant so much in the Bible.
It's a lot of times that forty was significant, right,
And you just shaid a prayer for me outside, So
I want to call it. You know what I'm saying,
DC's prayer. We're gonna do something for the Lord. We're

(01:05:09):
talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I get turn on the curt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
On the way and forty nights, bro, you know what
I'm saying. It's forty days album for some but no
date on it because I'm really just in the place. Man.
I got a press run in New York for a
week next. Let social social media, samity, we keep it
real fluent. Sammy always s A M M I E

(01:05:35):
always A L W A y S. That's Instagram, that's
my x A K A Twitter that's a threads the website.
And then uh my, what's up? Snapchat? Is Sammy Lee
Bush s A M M I E L E I
G H b U s H.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Show dates, tour dates, I gotta I don't know when
it's gonna so I'll just let you know what I
got coming just in case. Even if my one music
fest with RSVP. Shout out to my brother Ray j Okay, myself,
Bobby Valentino, and pleasure pure. You know, we've been rocking
heavy since the versus and then glad to see y'all
brother who No, it's like yeah it the you know,
the new rat pack to twenty twenty five has been beautiful.

(01:06:17):
And then I got so many business things that I'm doing.
If you ever in Atlanta, hoo could drinks restaurant bar,
the vibes coming to Crew Camp Creek. I'm a part
owner in that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That's all right? Or do yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Alright? Simply Naked Candle Coal, we got a shop. You
can make your own candles great for a date night,
or you can run out the space if you're shooting content.
I've been in that since twenty twenty one as well.
So that's the thing, Like I can step away because
I wanna be uncomfortable and master other things. I never
just wanted to be one dimensional. Uh, I wanna diversify

(01:06:50):
all the talents God has gifted me with. Yeah, but
the journey is on the way, you know what I'm saying.
The new album, seventh studio album, in my last R
and B studio album. I love y'all so much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Hey, well, they're having Folks eighty five as show. None
other than Sammon legend.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
We out there get it