Trinidad James in the Trap |The 85 South Show

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Get. Seriously, that's a good question. Go to work. I ain't,
and I didn't know he was gonna make it one
of these nights. Can I sell with you? You're gonna
make it. You're not even ready to go to work
anybody else than you and outfit. That's crazy. That's the

(00:29):
type of ship you're doing. Ship when you're doing and
getting paper wi other niggas being lazy. Let's kick it
off because it's never full. Gay had a lady, she
tried to graze men, tried to get a pregnant. She
might have two or three babies at one. That's how
I'm ripping and chilling, because i'd be pamper and I'd

(00:51):
be dunking on holes like boars simps. I need a
bitch with blue hair like Mark Simpson myself. I'm getting
home or trying to get the doom. Do you smell
the rooma of this? Mariwona put a nigger in a coner,
now bring it back just like a spine. I started seeks,
but I don't never stop it. Now. Don't let they

(01:13):
go over your head. You ain't shid my head. Bitches
licking on my left leg because I'm that nigga, I
do go bigger and I've been in the basement, but
my name ain't ticket. Oh wait, yeah, damn, that's what
you said. My ship too big. Can't nothing go over
my head. I keep it going. Yeah, I keep on flowing.

(01:36):
Come on, and everybody in the building they be knowing,
they be. You say you're dunking on niggers like bos Sampson. Well,
I'm a follow up like Dominique will cool. I'm anna go.
That's how you know trending that James and the motherfuckingglet's
see it all go everything nigger. The girl with some

(01:58):
good couches even had an ear ring in it. Just
wait a minute and let me tell you what I said.
What I just said, Yeah, so she spread the legs.
I've seen the Pierson. I'm like, really, this is what
we're doing. I checked my tooth because on the couch,
I'll be you be showing on the couch. That's crazy,

(02:20):
that's crazy, that's nasty. I'll be doing this ship sitting
like the eight like the as. Yeah, that's how you
seen you Tuo on the couches. Now Green he get me,
he'd be eating it and don't be shanned because you
could tell from the way that he'd be tanning through
meals and he the time you about to dude and
what he's doing, because every time he gets the couch

(02:42):
and be room, Yeah, he'd be walking in and listening
to a little oozy I've seen this nigga right here
and make a coochie smooth. Damn, that's a man. WHI
I heard you made a whole couches sandwich and you
manned it. Damn listen that no as he just made
What the fun was that do with? One more time?

(03:04):
My ja? Why you say that? Because now I want
to coach it side man, Welcome back to the South show.
It's not open is bringing back allright? Hold on, well,

(03:24):
let's get it right back where it was. This one
right here's for the mothers and the cup sins and
step brothers. This for the gangsters and the pumps and
the huspitals. This for the crooks who reading books. This
for the pretty girl that's hung up on their looks.
This for the niggas that dude with bigger This for

(03:48):
the white folks with big figures. This for the foreigners,
This for the immigrants. This for the niggas who'll be
wearing all them crazy pants. This for the chicken real hair,
this long bit than we've this for the people who
bought teeth that they didn't even need. That was kind
of mean. I think you're talking about me with my

(04:09):
unturtam side of James. But that's okay, Yeah, I get
it right. These bits just make me walk down the
steps like Willy Dina might. I ain't playing here. What
I'm saying trend at that James in the trap and
we ain't playing. You know it's down, you know what's up?
Jo went playing that pimp and that what the funk? Yes, sir,

(04:31):
Hey man, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the South
show voted. This podcast was voted most likely to smell
like we man Most likely. We got a very special
guest and trap with us today. You know we're on

(04:52):
the whole street with this ghetto legends, So we went
and got us a certified ghetto legend. Come on, man,
This dude started off with a mixtape giving them out
in the city for the Freeman. I'm talking about hustling
everywhere you want your song. I mean I picked up
one at the Moro one day buying some shoes I

(05:13):
funked with it, I played it, I laid that ship
to some of the being part of some of the
biggest hits, some of your favorite song all the way.
One of the coldest writers, one of the most creative
motherfucker's that it would come through here man, very entertaining.
Hey man, you might know him as the shoe plug.

(05:33):
Some people called Nick and Nick Jane. Come on, some
people call the trendier Dad. He introduced himself to the
holes of just Dad first round. That's how you know,

(06:01):
I won't say going back to the trap, trap, trap,
plenty trap. I was in a pre trap, pre trap. Yeah.
So man, just welcome, make yourself and oh yeah, I
love it. Man, How y'a feeling that? Amazing? Man, it's
you know, like you had one of them, the moments
and hip hop that is. You can't you can't even explain,

(06:24):
you know, It's it's not too many people who had
that moment where you take over the whole world on
your first one, you know what I mean. It's kind
of like that, you know, I don't even know what
to compare it to because it's it's everybody knew that song.
I mean, my daughter just used to be singing that
ship when it first came out, and she was a
little girl. I mean, whoa pop to Molly I And

(06:44):
it was everybody I mean, and it's just like that,
the energy that you created with that, Like I always
wanted to ask, like, is it a level of pressure
that comes with having one that's so major on your
first one? Is it easier to never have to try
to create that again? Or do you continuously try to
create that again? Um, it's all about the resources and

(07:06):
knowledge that you come into it with it. Um, if
you ask me this question ten years ago, and like nigga,
this is your hard don't ask me this question right now.
How whatever, But ten years or ten years or later,
I still look good. I'm still successful, and I feel
even better about the ten years in front of me.
I'm gonna tell you that it's about us of both
because when you do win big in the beginning, Um,

(07:26):
the resources that are open to you are amazing. It's great,
you know, Um, the resources to make something else like that,
it is there. But you have to understand your artist type.
And what I mean by that is, Um, all artists
do art, but some are is kind of not needed
to be tainted by mainstream how whatever. I think that

(07:47):
when you're making music, it has a different demographics for it,
and so you could either get you gotta understand what's
good for your spirit outside of what's good for your
bank account, how whatever. That's what I'm gonna say to you.
So I had to realize that the ear the early
age in this game, like he's like, do I really
want to go through everything that comes over having another
one song every single summer? That was just about to

(08:09):
ask you that though, because it's like when your soon
did the first boy? Remember about the first two halloweens?
After that? Yeah, he has dressed up, that's all. I
had a long, long legs man, long life as they Yeah,
I mean justin Timberlake did it on Saturday Night Live
When I saw that or yeah, one of those times

(08:31):
I was like when I saw that, I was like, Okay,
you gotta understand. I'm coming out of the reel an
the streets would not a background in music, Like my
background is the shrieks and being an immigrant. So for
me it's different as like, you have to get out
of that. I can't speak for anybody else. For me,

(08:51):
I had to get out of that phase of not
deserving it, feel like I didn't deserve it. I'm wondering
if I deserve it? That that imposter syndrome or just
one dream, Like when you don't have no background in uh,
that type of success in your whole family and you're
the first of the generation, you're the first of your
kind um in your own family, you know you you

(09:12):
don't wonder did they come from? Like the blaws in
the media, though, what comes up like you thinking that
you ain't deserve it, like you know what I'm saying,
feeling like that or feeling like what you were? I
think that part of it would you know, But I
think also the reaction of the people around you, Um,
that's closest to that, you know. So when you start
to see those people change, or people change for the

(09:33):
good and the worst, how you start to realize you
you start to realize you're doing something that matters. You know,
But if you don't know what you're doing, just as
yet you're trying to understand, like what matters? Is it?
The moment? Is it me? Is it the music? Is it?
The money? Is it the jury? Like? What is it?
You know what I'm saying? So That's what I had
to wrap my head around in the beginning of this

(09:54):
always like what is actually mattering right now? Bro, you
dealt with the criticism better than any in and we
didn't seen in the in the industry. Hold on before
we get on there and say with it all kind
of crazy Shi about whom I see you explained like ship,
I don't give a straight like he gets the criticism,
but I don't think you'd be getting the plaut like
we're just talking about. We're talking about this first thing

(10:15):
you can all go everything. That ship encapsulated what the
club scene was like. And I was I don't think
people realize that ship like you think about it giving
you the perspective everything, get rapper going out, a person
going down m j Q, all these all these clubs

(10:36):
like it gave you the vibe of after hours. And
he was telling you this, keep the old money. Everybody
feeling their motherfucking self. N That's why we did not
tend your anniversary concert at m j Q. Tim Big
Tim was trying to write you off in the beginning. Yeah,

(10:59):
I wanted to that. I understand that like Woledge at
ten years and ten years not a lot in this game.
But it's enough for me the way that I paid
attention to it to just understand why people say the
things that they say. The truth of it is kind
of what you gotta keep to yourself to know to

(11:20):
not let that ship matter how whatever. It's like, damn
it is that true? Do I actually I actually take
this look from Marian when I really when I realized
that the things that people was like going viral off
of wasn't actually true and that ship don't really make
no difference unless I really entertained it. I said, you
can't beat me, you know what. I like, you can't

(11:41):
beat me like you might get me down today because
I'm human and I can't be got there one thousand
confidence every single day, how whateverybody, This too will pass,
like they say in the Bible. You know what I'm saying,
but I mean, it definitely passed. And then I think
it gave mold mold like to the ship. They can't
see me on a big platform like this one right here,

(12:01):
how whatever. At this point in time, I feel like
they just wondered, like like I keep running this nigger
off and he keep writing himself like however, like yeah,
you don't ConTroll my narrative. You just control your perspective
of the art here and didn't make it. So these
were dedicated to my first album, All Go Everything, So

(12:24):
I say, don't believe me, just watch and then um
dad for the pinky, I did the gold change obviously
for the gold change, that's the dollar sign, just I
always do for my James. This is my soccer the sneaker,
my first sneaker. And then this is me old character. Yeah,
I mean my whole body is are I look at tattooing?
Is are? I don't look at it like a job.

(12:44):
It's like when you do it. Well, how don't look
at my nail text? This is a black lady from
Atlanta named dots. Uh these are these? Are? You know?
She could she could be up there. There's a lot,
that's a lot. I know how much the jail nils
be for the right win. Yeah, I got that on
my ship, you know what I mean, they'd be twice.
You show you one that that's still laminated. So that's

(13:11):
why I just I see how you're looking at well,
that's why I would ask that's it. I just got
regular fingers, my fingers pussy in I got cubs in
the cuticles, regular ship. You know what I'm saying. You said,
don't believe me. Just watch how does that look? Don't

(13:38):
believe me? Just watch bro. It is like, Uh, we're
gonna be all right. It's a it's a negro spiritual.
I'm just about to say that because when you said
nick nick and nigga nigga, I feel like you unlocked
all the powers of the runaway slaves or some ship music.
Your music, with all your kind of music, guy or whatever,

(14:00):
hihilated people's or tribe. And when of them had a
song that had a nig nigger nigga partner, how whatever
back in the day before me, I didn't never even
trip yeah, ever heard it until Hey came up to me.
It's like, hey, man, you did this because of what
you call it. I was like, man, I've never even
heard that song. I felt bad. I never heard of
this song, how whatever. But you know, once again, these

(14:22):
things are just in our culture. If you're gonna look
at old pimpsy he was saying, or old nor he
was saying, slime the word you know what I'm saying,
saying cloud, Yeah, you know what I mean. All of
it is nothing is you know, NA said that nothing
is new one of the suns. You know, I may
everything's been jne because I was like, that's crazy twork

(14:45):
and they't have ship to do with this. Yeah, I'm
gonna make it work. I'm gonna work something something right,
he wasn't talking about. I mean, I'm gonna go it in.
They gotta say, Paul, I'm to work. But that's the

(15:06):
thing like that, you know, on that song specifically, just
that one, you was you was rapping, but it was
like you was preaching on that motherfucker. Like it was
just the way they were saying what you were saying.
It was so easy to follow, and it was like
you was paying the picture for anybody who hadn't been
to Atlanta, even if you didn't see the visual, because
when the visual came out and took it to another level.
But if you never been to Atlanta and you hit

(15:27):
that song, you're like, nigger, when is these places? Yeah
this ain't for no fucking nick real nigga, then fun
with it straight up. I'm doing the Lord's work, man.
He was. It's like this Nile was in the club
and he saw everybody shout out on this ship all

(15:52):
the way to even have a first secure Let's let's
let's break down the song a little bit. You know
what I'm saying, Nigger had just became a ward that
was really really cranking in our city, like a fighting
word or whatever. Say. It was the most disrespectful words,
the most attention grabbing word. So I was like, you
gotta start off the project with that. That's our culture.
Mind you. I'm not coming to this as a rapper

(16:13):
because my background is not being a rapper. My background
is being a stylist and a human and a fashion
nick and a street and selling weed and selling molly
like hustling. You know what I'm saying, I don't know
how rappers think. I don't even give a funk. I
dressed better than them in my head fifteen years ago,
you know what I'm saying, Like in my and I'm like,
you ain't see me because I saw I'm a stylish

(16:34):
I'm styling artist. I'm styling Travis sporting in them, I'm
styling scream and d Holiday and it's coming off the
rocket ship. Just wait, like you know this is you
know what I'm saying, Way like, way before money being
one of those clients that came down to sing like that.

(16:56):
You know what I'm saying. So anyways, it's kind of
like taking it something like nigger, strongest word, most disrespectful
world in our culture. Start there, you know what I'm saying.
Then I worked at the Wilfer House that's right by
Chester Bridge. I would have so I knew all the
strippers and I learned so much from those girls from
working the night ship. Being the cook that spoke to him,
and I was like, oh damn wait wait wait tell

(17:18):
him this triple plate. Wait wait wait, wait wait, this
man's being hustling. Wait wait wait the triple plate cool?
Huh yeah, yeah, it went perfect with the wiff wile
you know real it looked like look when he first
came out, he looked like a maker that would work

(17:38):
at the Waff and he missed that small toothing. Right,
there's like a crack crazy real humer man. That's really
what it is we want about her wifehouse About you,
Oh definitely, it is about you. Just turn this back
to you. And I don't the grill on this side.

(17:59):
I love, I don't want to. Yeah, he just don't
do No, he's doing the lord's work what but yes,
you know what the stripping plate is for some people,
for anybody didn't hear the stripping plate, and it might
have changed because girls have it's a nuance and girls
have elevated, you know, the past the morning needing that

(18:22):
type of lamb. When Jesus, that's a good point right there.
When did all the lambs became available to the black
community life? Never seeing nobody eating lamb? Now know something?
They got lamb lollipop shops? And then when the lambs come,
when did they migrate to the Negro community? Bro, when

(18:44):
you was all the crab leads? Oh yeah, they it's
a big crab, crab having like a mother. They to
show up like I heard, how good juice the crab
is somebody crab spot is a about to fa when
COVID hit that all new animals choppling pancakes, niggas is

(19:11):
just into them now, But lamb chopping everything get slow?
People fault. It's racism fault. Thinking how much delicious ship
we ain't even had yet? Oh yeah, that's true, that
you're talking about ship that we ain't even got a
holt of yet. Well, the hood grocer, what grocers? A
lot of times. That's exactly that's caring for breakfast to

(19:36):
see is gonna stop making roost. We just ain't never
seen a prime real done. Yeah, they always look like
that is that's after you gotta eat a prime rib
man that bit bet you know? Telling what else white
man pink in the middle. You know, I gotta say

(19:56):
this is the gardens. Like the ultimate compliment on the
video was you holding the oh yeah and then the
hand movements to Nick. You know what I'm saying that
it was just it was player man that My question
to you is, being from Atlanta, like you said, from
the from the streets of the perspective that you had
coming into the game, what was your reception like for

(20:16):
the people that knew you prior to you blowing up? Um?
It was it was interested like the Nigga used to
see a weed and Molly too when they see you
grow up like goodness, I mean what you see. The
beautiful thing is that no matter what I think, he

(20:45):
just lost his job. But it was a blessing bro
me being that I love answer these questions now because
I just understand everything because I never fucked nobody over.
It was like they was happy as him because I
was somebody that was in their circle and we was
all flipping money between each other. He's like a ship.

(21:07):
It's like I make money off for selling all these
shoes and all this model and then a boy even you,
and then you the new you know what I'm saying,
It's like whatever you need to who had a community
that was a big part of this community were here.
I didn't do I didn't use it to take care
of my mom and be able to on my own
business stop having to work for somebody. I didn't do

(21:27):
music to be famous or I was already cool and
the coolest city in the world. You know what I'm saying,
like my version of cool, Like you know what I'm like,
Well you not uh Gucci Man, t I Jez, But
there's so many levels to cool in this city. Once
you really established what your worth is and you're enginer
how whatever that I had made a name for myself
from a fashion standpoint, providing the drip to so many

(21:50):
people or whatever. And if I wasn't doing music and
probably had one of the best snicker stores in Atlanta, Georgia,
because that's the only thing I would have to focus on.
Is the thing that I already was becoming a big,
huge asset for the city. You know what I'm saying,
It's bigger than my partners. Going back to your question
or whatever. Like the people around me, they were just
happy because they knew that I was a person that

(22:14):
was like he gonna he deserved it or whatever. I
didn't even know he was doing music, but he ain't
a bad person. So the blessing who was just something
that was all thankful for. That's beutiful because you've got
so many artists in Atlanta. You've got so many people
who wrapped in Atlanta that's been doing it for so
long that never got anywhere near close to having a

(22:34):
even a local hit for something that God worldwide like that,
like that probably can breede a lot of you know,
envy from people. So for you to not have that
experience as a blessing, I think that that's one of
the greatest things talking to you all now ten being
at an official ten years, is that over these ten years,
he's whatever three hund sixty five thousand days whatever that is,

(22:58):
um all thirty six thousand names maybe, UM. The people
who started off jealous in the first five how whatever
I stayed so consistent that we're cool. How whatever, I've
looked at my being able to even make my enemies
get closer to me, damn there or whateverywhere, it's like,
you're not You're not an enemy because you realize that

(23:20):
now you're here, you're missing formed about what you thought
I was gonna do. You thought I was gonna take
my fame and ship on you. I never should are you.
I just really stay focused on me, which I didn't.
Left me no time for you. That I mean, I
shouldn't on you. I just don't have no time for
you because I need to focus on me in order
to take care of what actually matters, the thing that
we got into this trap for, to take care of

(23:42):
our families. I'm still in the trap. It's just a
better looking one, know what I'm saying. That's quote, you're
good in this city and you do good business. Yeah,
like you said, people with you and comedy ship, we'd
have seen that ship first hand. People like my boy

(24:02):
tickets Jerry. The first tickets the first Hawks game I
ever went to is because I gave him some Jeanes
from my store for the tickets. You know what My
first car I ever got was ticket Jerry and not
crashed his brand new fast ass challenge. He had like
a three to three to fire the bumble Musician, one
of them CHALLENGERSO, how whatever, I crashed the croaker parking

(24:24):
right here on Western into the park car, you know
what I'm saying. And he was like it's all good
or whatever, you know what I'm saying. And when he
got another car, that's crazy because crazy knew that I would.
I could take care of you being back in it.
What you can mother in Atlanta is probably different than
any other city, you know what I mean. You probably

(24:46):
can just trade off some ship in Atlanta. You can't
trade off just because of the ship that's available in
this city, you know what I mean? Like you funking
around and just say, man, looked like you get me
a lap dance, like you know, ticket garretty close in
any city like this naked damn, they'll be on the
court like players got to drip around that nigger? Was

(25:07):
that Tike Jared? Who anything the best? Best get your
tickets while the ship going on. I had just got
my mom from Mary j. Black n blowing Jerry's and

(25:29):
they know him, you gotta know him. It's gonna be
some more people like I wanted to take Jerry ever
got us the ticket to the bigger Why you get
gonna get the tickets to your ship? Damn, but he

(25:50):
already got the sweets for the show coming up. Man,
what is guaranteed? He's never failed man, my family, he's
never felt my family's friends, never failed, not one time.
I never heard a negative Yelp review about this, never
never up tickets tickets to anything, anything nights. He gonna

(26:19):
get everything because he got to go up to the game.
It's gonna be old man sitting on the bench when
he get up off the bench to ticket, gonna be
out of the bench under your it's yours, that's ticket.
Ja is the wizard of tickets. But is it only
in a Lanta everywhere? It could be drinking London of

(26:42):
the old towery what called before tickets? More tickets Chicot
The best time to follow ticket Jarry is doing Valentine Day.
The goddamn it s traveling counts. The nigga take his
girl to grease one day. They're back in that Lanta
courtside at the game, like he do ship like that.
So the women followed him. So the women showing you

(27:03):
what this nigga doing. What are you talking? We're talking
about doing all this ship, not like y'all you not
wrought some ship into that, because if you listen to him,
you're gonna be the type of way because Jarry take
care of his who want me so good? Your woman
gonna be like, so what you doing? I'm not a
motherfucker trying to get my girl. Don't need to be

(27:24):
trying to get contact with her like I'm trying to
get in contact with this noose st im trying to
act like you want great guys. I'm definitely a great guy,
but I ain't taking Jerry and win y'all nig telling
about Yeah but ticket Jerry, help you get there? Oh yeah,
I need you. That's what you're trying to get to it.
But some sh I wanted to see. I want to

(27:46):
see Taylor Swift nigging something that I would never get
a ticket to. I'm gonna I'm gonna try a Swifty.
I'm gonna be one if I swift Man and that
nigga might have you introducing her. That nigga so goddamn
cold with the ticket ship. Damn, he has a backstage
pass there with her Mama and yeah, damn drinking Jack Davis.

(28:10):
Guess what it's the ground name nig you know, come on,
just the best promo of the host. He has a
real chain from ice Box chains say take a jam. Yeah,
what do you mean? You got to commercial on the ready,

(28:34):
Amaran's Finest, Atlanta's Best. Don't miss man had a little
shit out of head right then they let on the couch.
You don't take some because he's been to everybody show.

(28:54):
That's what I'm saying. You know what something that's exactly
how you get in the tramp with the ghetto letters. Bro,
another guy, don't live your hay. You gotta get red
and speak your name. We got lo holes. Its lo holes,

(29:17):
We got lo holes. It's a man, I'm telling you,
chick you see, really don't want to go Nino service
it tick t I c K take underscore Jared, huh
take it. You gotta undersco It might be underscore, all right,

(29:40):
he should be very fat. Verybody in the end of
it was Stubb. But man, what you talking about? I'm sorry,
I don't know. I like, but you know you know
what I a However, you get your tickets, feel free

(30:03):
to get them. What does it feel like when somebody
comes through and want to send for your work, And
then that ship turned into a super super mega super
song and we heard the Bruno Mars. We heard right,
we heard that they had to so it's it's beautiful now,

(30:29):
beautiful now. The way that the bag works is the
business that I'm happy that I learned getting the initial
big bag. At first, it's more tied to my childish
ways when it's like, oh damn, I got a lot
of money, cool, how whatever, But I have made more
money before that from that, but not overall. Over time,

(30:50):
they see money is about making it travel, not the
moment of it. Like if you can the further you
can throw money is the better. Having moment money right
in the moment is like, that's what you're saying. The
front you can throw money is the longest is going
to last. You know what I'm saying. If you got
all of them, Simmer, that's real because in my mind

(31:12):
it's Randy Moss going to get the money, So you
just gotta put it over there. Yeah, just throw it.
It's that consistent, and don't look back too much, however,
because you miss it, and just keep going. And then
when it's time to put your arms out, receive what
you deserve, and catch it because if you're dropping, that's
on you. There's nigga Philosopher. I didn't know this ship.

(31:33):
He turned to financing, but let's just start here. She
gonna pop up with my man said, it's gonna pop
up with the little Indian. That's philosopher. Money told him.
Taking it back to it, taking it back to it
because I want to get too lost in translation, the

(31:54):
Bruno Mars thing was amazing, but at the time that
it happened, if I'm being honest with you, it happened
when I was at my most depray a state as
a artist. And actually I never got depressed until I
got into music. Like I've never been the first in
the music industry success Like you want to be successful? Bro?
Like to take back to your original first question right

(32:16):
when you asked about you know, when you get a
big success off the top? How whatever? Wanted to keep
up with that? How whatever? Bro? I'm an athlete first,
I played basketball, ran track, and football, how whatever. Like
I'm a very competitive person because I've played all these
sports in high school. You know what I'm saying. So
it was like that part of me is like I
want to kill all these things that whatever, I would

(32:38):
want to kill it for, like my brand that I'm building,
it ain't even about like I'm trying to be a
better rapper than Kendrick how whatever. Ship, I've already just
met this man, and like I was saying to earlier,
like damn the energy that he showed me ten years ago,
nine years ago when first Man was where it's like,
I'm not a competition with you. Actually I just name
dropped your name in the song and then it end
up being the remix the Bison on Kimra virtually James,

(33:00):
and I was like, oh, what the fuck? You know
what I say, imagine meaning the nigger out of the
concept big concert. I'm kind of like the biggest name,
but he is who he is at that moment or whatever,
Like I'm kind of bigger than him. Were like the
kids are a little bit more ready to see me
than him to a certain extent, not on a weird ship,
just like yeah, like I'm a Southern nigger and I'm

(33:21):
just giving the culture at that time. Literally the energy
we need is like the first like the equipment, not
the equivalent, but somebody that gives that I think gives
the culture the energy that they need right now is
like Glorilla, like the energy that the culture wants in
a party. It's her song, A little glow man all

(33:42):
the way and you know something and you have provided
they hold on to it like I think that y'all.
That y'all, she got way more songs than the song
that's going crazy, how whatever, because I like her. But
what I like to pay attention and that's why started
to start working on a new album here in Atlanta,

(34:02):
um and only working on it really are in Atlanta,
is because this is the perspective that matter. The reason
why you appreciate all go everything is because that is
the perspective of somebody that's not trying to be famous,
but literally, like bro, this what's going on for nigga
is trying to be cool the level of Atlanta Nigga cool,
which is like, you know, Atlanta niggas think that we

(34:23):
God's gift to earth, like our descendants are outcasts and
this person and that person you know. So for me
taking it all the way back, you know, all the
lessons that I learned, but the lesson taking it back
to your questions about the brutal thing. I was very
depressed at the time, so when the initial play came through,

(34:44):
I was like, I don't care y'all sucking me over anyway,
Fuck y'all how whatever. So it wasn't cool to your
people or to the overall system, to the system whatever,
my people brought the play to me or whatever, like hey, bro, Bruno,
Marge fucking with you. He wants to do something to
all go everything, how whatever. I felt such a distaste
in my mouth towards the game and everybody. And the

(35:05):
distaste came because the distaste came because the difference between
the streets and the industry, as many of them. But
one of the distinct differences that I'm gonna touch on
right now is that when somebody does something that is
legitimately some funck nigger ship, you cannot really whoop their ass.
Yeah you could when you know, and I was making

(35:34):
corporate I ain't even even ali. This is one thing. Whatever.
The niggas fight all the time privately on some secret
circle ship and keep going and just be having be
fab Like why do these things be forever? Because you
think it would be fighting the concerts that you don't
see or be fighting that this and you think he's
got to fight in the bath, throw them in the airport,
and you wasn't there. You're talking about the real gangsters
with the suits in the pens. Yes, the corporate people

(35:56):
or whatever, they would do something that is legitimately disrespectful.
Tell your culture to you as a black man or
a black woman, to you as an artist, don't matter
your race, and it is nothing that you can do.
And if you come from an environment like I do,
how whatever that is how we were taught to handle
certain levels of disrespect. I'm a conversating type of fella.

(36:17):
My conversation is pretty damned on point. But it's been
things in this game the way that it's been done
where it's like, I don't want to do no talking.
I want to put my hand on the face for
you're saying they got as swooping type disrespect. That's just
the norm around this motherfucker on that level of like
fuck talking. Yeah, imagine you walk in, you hear your

(36:41):
ship on the top of the commercial and andre you
don't have no say so and nothing that they were
like thanks for making the song man you did. That's
a solid black motherfucker. Right, that's what you're setting outside
the door. That's God, that's what you're here. That's what
you're here. Hey, don't you use those big lips and

(37:03):
eat some of that fruit? Yeah? Get a cool aid
packet in there? He just playing guess what we get here?
A watermelon? Yeah? Get you Your mammy will be really

(37:24):
proud of that. Yeah, Like, how do you deal with this?
Speak to that? Like, how do you get through that? Like?
Because I think that's what a lot of people who
watched this that are on, you know, because we got
a lot of people that watch us that are don't
even know that they on the cusp of becoming the
most successful that they've ever became in their life. So
these are things that we need to get out there,

(37:45):
Like how do you get past that? What's the way
to navigate past seeing that, feeling that and not being
able to do nothing? How do you walk out of
that room and still continue to be whoever you are
before you walked in? Um? I think that staying My
first thing I was say to you, staying focus on
out working the opinion, outworking artwork in the room. Um,

(38:06):
you gotta understand your advantage, your advantages. Well, my advantages.
I'm the culture. I'm really outside there. Advantages. They have
spent their life learning the business and how to take
your culture and monetize it how whatever. So that instead
of focusing on the oppression, I think you should focus

(38:31):
on the knowledge that you lack, and then that being
able to fight it is what allows you to kind
of like being a better position now to answers a
little bit more detailed into your question. I have been
blessed enough to not get that extreme stuff happened directly
to me. But micro microaggressions. I think you've heard of

(38:55):
people say that in the workforce. I feel like those
are the things that a lot of the newer people
and labels don't realize that they're doing, and the ones
that do, only people they know what they're doing. They'll
give a funk. It's like your parents. Your mother, if
that's how she cooked this ship, that she could be nasty,

(39:15):
said she'd been cooking it that way for thirty seven years. Nigger,
that's how it's getting cooked. It's the same thing with
the older people in the label thing or whatever. It's like, bro,
if James Brown took this contract, turn that James take
this contract or whatever. It ain't necessarily uh personal, my
nigga or whatever. It's just like because you're just the business.

(39:36):
And if if you never beat me in court to
make me change this contract, I'm gonna keep using this contract,
my nigger. You know. I think that the industry is
changing for the better because more people of color coming
into it. But even outside of more people in color,
it's not about us. We are always going to try
and figure out how to be team us, whether it's
a clique or all of us. But the newer races

(39:58):
of people that are coming into the understand I need
that these old dinosaur ways are not even appealing to them.
So the new white A and r s, new white
CEOs or whatever. Like some of these guys now being
ten years and this ship. I met them when they
were just a mid level an R and now they're
like s VP of this record label and ship like that.
And you can see when they pull a white man

(40:19):
move because they just can't help that they're white. I
hate asking white people to do black ship. It's like, bro,
I expect the white person to do white ship because
he's white. That's what he knows. When you go when
he goes to his house, he lives his lifestyle, and
you go to your house to live your lifestyle. It's
different or whatever, Like let's take our families. It's different.

(40:40):
So unless you take the actual conscious effort to do
your homework on somebody's culture, you will always be button
his or whatever. Because I don't want to keep blaming
somebody for something that you've been doing a fo hundred years.
I need more knowledge to beat it. I need to
beat it. I need to beat it. I need to
If I don't beat it, I need to make sure
to leave enough things, enough interviews with other brothers and

(41:04):
other sisters and other people, whether whoever the racist person
I'm talking to. Whereas like we figured this out because
it's people outside of being black, they want to beat it.
I feel like, if you don't love black people, you
should be getting no money off of them, Like, if
you don't love the funk out of black people, you
shouldn't be able to prefer everybody not respect it. But

(41:27):
think about it. If you don't, let's say, let's take
it to car. If a white man fix her engine,
ain't you gonna pay him? If you fix the white man? Everyone? Baby,
I know I understand the better question know is do
you think like if you want to take it all

(41:48):
the way back to white you know, if you're just
speaking white should be doing. You can't say that right
you get them, yeahpends on what you let me. Then
you shouldn't be able to just God damn go home
and be like, listen, we're white over here. You've just
been making money off black people all day. But that's

(42:10):
why I love you, because I'm asking you now and
I can show you love as long as the prophet
margin is dead. So you want to they're gonna be loved.
If I ain't got nothing that you ain't got nothing,
then come on jumping the car and gonna see you
walk down the street that type of little so whatever.
You got a hunt your white artists on your black
But how should I won't that? I just understand as

(42:31):
many TikTokers, I feel like, hey car is like the
shower of like hey yeah, lady guy, It's like it's possible.
But not he not he not he not, Like I
feel like he's not from from never see a black

(42:57):
man on the country music boy and he got a
hundred white artists signed the funked up deals and he
getting rich at funk off of them. It wouldn't work
this thing, Okay, we would doing letters here, we would
do it. He wouldn't. He couldn't. Got damn come over
to like, wouldn't be like all his money off white
people music and come over here and act like his

(43:19):
motherfucking Dr Dre. Listen, Toby, and you know what's praso.
It might be a nigger that did that. They just
never let us know who he is, right, you know
we're ever you say Niggers have done things to other
races that they were piste off about. Like when Michael
Jackson bought up Board the Catalog. They were friends. It

(43:40):
was smooth, but he didn't with something back to him.
He wasn't a yeah, no, no, no, I ain't gonna
say back your jokes. Chico, say you pawd me your
jokes if I'm the Beatles fucked them jokes. So you're
saying Mike funked up for that. They know you cant

(44:03):
had him get damn jokes, Mike. I'm about some of
your ship, Mike, Mike can about the jokes back? Mike, Mike, Mike,
can you can you give me run over here? Give
my souls about telling me they're gonna take one of
my I need at least one of my ship. One

(44:23):
too many times he put that ship on the NT.
Confern was like, all right, I'm not playing, stop asking
me what is that? As Paul mccarton lawyers could stop
me slaughter the pockets, head of tattoo, a rocket, a man.
Michael Jackson ain't gotta do ship for you. So he
got hit up a couple of times. Tell us where

(44:43):
he had Mike fucked up the girl of course like that.
Of course that's chance type. You don't know what said
through Paul mighty got drunk on that. I'll give you
your fucking money when I feel like it. Okay, hold on, hold,

(45:09):
you gotta go step further because you know, Paul said,
Mike asked him what's the best way to make money
as an artist, and Paul was like buying publishing to
other artists. He went about the ship. So he gave
him the game, but he meant, go by that's what
I heard. He ain't by my ship man, So that's

(45:30):
even colder. But like, but like for you being in
the game teen years now, that's an eternity for you know,
any artists to do anything like how much do you
credit the fact that not just the music, but like
something that I always looked at you for just because
of some ship I meant to just the fashion, how
much do you credit that? And stretching you these teen years?

(45:54):
Um at least images images turning to James power. You
have to try understand your superpower just like this too
far the dress stuff, the dress stuff like wearing a
dress whatever, like um I wore I wonder call it this.

(46:23):
I know I understand the fashion perspective of it, because
mind you, I'm really the person. I don't dredging about it.
That's why you'll see games at my show. You'll see whites,
you'll see you, but you're gonna see the most left
of center people have to turn the James Show or
the most left to center fans of music. They treat
the James mans how whatever. Why is that? I don't

(46:45):
ask that question no more. I just cultivate these nakeds
and just want to build things, to build communities and
build metal versus and build things to cultivate all these
left to center people that my frequency speaks to them,
my confidence speaks to them. That's what it is, you know,
what I'm saying. So you know, um, I forgot what

(47:06):
your question was. The fashion, but yes, like image, images everything, man,
you know, that's that's what I started as a stylust
before a musician. I started in fashion before I ever
picked up a mic, so images. I always felt that
I had image handled because artists were coming to me

(47:27):
to dress them before I ever did music. Some of
your fashion. That just was about to ask that I
gotta get it. I gotta get so of course, Andrew
three thousand, James Brown, little Prince um escrita. If you
don't know, that's creata, that's a little Richard kind of
got his way from back in the day. Yeah, my

(47:49):
grandfather played for a Little Richard's band. He played the
whole the Little Richard man yet Clifford, Clifford Berks, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's yeah. Welcome, y'all, welcome. I'm holding out. I'm understand you.

(48:16):
But those people, those people in some shape away. My
older brother, his name is Solomon, Um, he was one
when we didn't grow up together. I got a lot
of brothers and sisters because my pops was he was
a roller and we didn't grow up together. So even
though I have so many brothers and sisters. I grew
up by myself, so I'm a very like selfish person.

(48:38):
And Um, when I met my brother for the first
time as a as like a little bit old, as
a teenager, he was a little older. He was older
than me. However, he was in New Yorker. I was like, damn,
just think you got more jeans and I got clothes
like just jeans how whatever, and like when I left,
I went to visit him for the first time. When

(48:58):
I left there, I didn't see him again for years.
But in my mind, I was like, Okay, I got
something to live up to. How whatever type situation. Um,
the way that my parents treated me because I came
over here as an immigrant. I wasn't born in Atlanta, unfortunately,
but I love being a Trinidadian, proud Trinidadian. Um. Atlanta
molded me as as you know, a child, and the

(49:19):
dot with you too. Oh yeah, I mean so you
went if they didn't they you do when you went
through the city. Man, I love DC because the Caribbean
demographic there is amazing to me. Bro all the way,
it's really really good. Like if anybody that's watching this
right now, which is probably millions of people because we're

(49:40):
going viral for something. Um, DC's Caribbean culture, not just Trinidadi.
And even though Trinees are the best, uh is amazing. Man,
Why y'all don't funk with Tobago. Man? Oh nobody said that.
Um but literally so literally nobody. These shoes my sneaker.

(50:06):
These are the Maxi taxis because and they're this color
because in Tobago, because they're the blue Maxi taxis. Only
in Tobago you can get a blue Maxi taxi. So
that I dedicated. Some maxi taxes are form of transportation.
How whatever I formed transportations, Like I was trying to
ascend like I knew y'all was acting like ta taxi.

(50:27):
Yeah I yeah, man, guys soon but but yeah so time.
But but you are right there, Tobago does not come
out people's minds when they say tuning that as often
as the ship. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
I just didn't do what the Tobagan, Tabagonian, Tambagoniangonian, Tambagonian.
This ship going crazy. Yeah it is historic all the way,

(50:49):
but shout out the Tambagonians. Yeah, all of that that
sounds like a spell probably, but the contract with Bruno
that was right though. Yeah, so you know Bruno did
great business. This was sometimes your attitude can block of
blessing and luckily I was able to get out of

(51:11):
my funk before that. And then you don't even know
you'd be doing this. I was just a vessel from creative.
I'm just doing the Lord's workout. But um, I was
able to get out of it. And as soon as

(51:31):
I unfortunately had left out of Atlanta, went to Latium
shoot some music videos with a guy whom kind of
like threw me a bone. Um my whole everything changed. Bro,
everything changed. And I say that to say words like bro,
I love Atlanta, but I had to get out of
Atlanta in order to really appreciate Atlanta because Atlanta made

(51:53):
me who I am as an artist and partially as
a man. Um, but who I am to be that's
not Atlanta's to say in this guy's decision. And I
think he just had more for me, because sometimes when
you got when the universe has more for you, you
gotta go to that medium that helps you get what's
more for you. Here's no offensive this to what helped
you become a part of you, you know what I'm saying.

(52:14):
But Atlanta didn't birth me. I wasn't even moving here,
you know what I'm saying. So that's why I once
again you're gonna Henry keep saying. I really look at
these last ten years. At the beginning of it, hour
came to do the Lord's work time and messenger what
the culture needed, you know what I'm saying. And people
still talk about the thing that happened ten years ago

(52:35):
that still matters. I just did a show and goddamned Jacksonville,
North Carolina, that ship was going upside down, like the
song came out yesterday. You know what I'm saying. Why
is that? Because that spiritual him it works in this
church still they still go by that Bible, you know
what I'm saying. Like in Atlanta, we get new spiritual
hymns every two weeks ago. It's like this church's craft

(52:59):
turning them into that we got new class together, you know,
because by time the song go like global, we already
be tired of. And in Atlanta, because I heard the
ship for a year, you didn't ask about the question
boom he did good business. I was in my feelings
and I got out my feelings in time. How whatever

(53:21):
was able to hit my people like, hey, did we
do good business on this? Because I didn't hear the
song until I got to l A to shoot a
music video. And two things happened the same day that
song dropped and the song to me your scooter did
was on Grand Theft out of five whatever. I was like, uh,

(53:43):
did we do that? Did we do the business on?
That's you know what I'm saying, And you know, if
I'm being honest with you. To take it back to
a lot of things, people are always like man, they
always dropping jams or whatever. So but that's just like bro,
so many things that happened because I didn't know Ship
coming into this. How they didn't know Ship. When I
went to work at the Wilf House, I didn't know ship.

(54:03):
I'd never stirred eggs how whatever. And I left a
part that bitch of super Grill Master chief in the
red shirt. You know that's a little shirt that's a
super Grill Master cheap Master operator super shirt. The ones

(54:26):
that I might have came in contact, like this Nick
on the shoe his motherfucker that you're gonna find out
about the person who you having high regard, you're gonna
realize that they've been doing him wrong. He's just been
working in a long time, but he ain't been trying
to level up. And that's the difference. Wilf House taught
me that his people, who I saw, his certain things.

(54:48):
I'm not gonna bring him all up because I'm close
with some things. But one of the biggest lessons I
learned from things like the waffle House, things like working
again to the clothing bluetieth. I used to work at
how whatever is that people work at something for a
long time, but they don't work on level enough. They
work to just work how whatever, And you can get
caught up in this working atmosphere where it's like brown,

(55:09):
is that all you want to be trading time for money? Yeah?
You know what I'm saying. That's just literally just a
that's it. How wouldever? And not just once music showed
me that I was worth more, I've just been digging
for that goal. That's the goal I've been digging for
because like, what what what more can I be worth
to to my culture? What more can I do that

(55:31):
makes something? You know, it's ain't crazy, you know what?
Other things that's God happened story for me, because if
it wasn't meant for me to be here, how would
it still be cranking things out that crush how whatever
weather it's for me or writing to hit for other
people who are not um. Random fact, random fact. And
somebody ever said to you, Abro, you know the white

(55:52):
girl bad Baby catched me outside training her first hit.
He'd be like, no, I first platinum hit, zone, that's
launched the musical career. Oh that I was a part
of that, mother, I was a part you wanted to
start it? Man? Did you make that white? He's gonna

(56:13):
claim that with the next thing is remember that period
April that too. Boy, I'm saying, you know, but out
to my w to but whatnot? You know, And that's
the thing about it is like certain things happened, um,

(56:36):
you know even when even meeting that young lady at
the time you're so young or whatever, felt where to
be in the room. You know what I'm saying. But
it was just like, bro, talent don't really got no color. Bro,
he really talent. Bro. It's so interesting. But like the
talent that God gave me, he gave me the will
to go find the talent. He gave me image, he

(56:58):
gave me confidence, the talent. I had to go find
that motherfucker, bro and just dig for it to bring
it out because what all of everything took off. But
that's raw. Me and my boy Jose was just listening
because you know, I just listened to the first project
because we're working on a new project. Don't be safe
too for the new album, and I just listened to it.
I'm like, bro, this ship is so unorthodox the knowledge

(57:21):
I have now, I would have never been able to
do this, this terribly perfect, perfect masterpiece if I had
all the knowledge I have now, you know, like rang now,
knowledge said don't change what then everything? So I don't

(57:43):
do everything you can make? I'm sad, Hey, everything Dad
was just the get had never ended. Now with the Fritzes,
that is really now you. But you know, even to

(58:06):
any young artist is watching this, it's like, hey, man,
if you really do make something that hits our culture
like that, bro, you really can't make twenty of them.
I don't think that you can't. Nobody nobody hate what
the song everything. I don't hate the song I hate

(58:27):
and I want this is not that was advocate for
you to a young person watching. If you make something
like everything and you you catch a wave, do not
let anybody tell you to not make ten of those
make ten make tent now to play Devil's advocate. The
reason why I did not make tend is because those
people limit our culture. They kept they keep our culture

(58:48):
locked in a certain place because they make us feel
like that is the biggest version of us. And I
knew that I was bigger than the nigger that they
perceived that they wanted to make this like it's a
lot of characters to tune James. But if this nigga
is the nigger that you want to make the face
of our culture, no ya, I didn't go for that.
And so that was a personal decision that you gotta

(59:08):
will you ever to fit my size and levering in
order to him to that, because most niggas would have
took the money and may tend to eight and nine more.
All go everything, nigga. You know when you first came,
you were telling people like, listen to the whole album,
like you kept telling people when you because you know

(59:29):
that it's more to me then this thing that you
got there doing backflips about in the middle I've got
them Central Station. How wouldever I do appreciate this love
because love is love. You know how long you go
as a black man not getting no love? You know
how long you go as a black woman not getting
no love? You know you go long? It needs to go.

(59:49):
The Angel Black. Feel bad about saying black what I'm
saying about this because bro, that ship really is tough.
Bro Oh no smoke. You know what I'm saying. I
know that it's tough on humans. I know that's tough
on every human. You know what, I would not like
to be a woman in the Middle East. They just

(01:00:10):
got their license of the eligibility to get their license
like three years ago. How you know how crazy that is?
I wouldever like to be a whole woman? Yea to
me about being over there, that ship sounds scared and
it's like damn, you know. So it's everybody's going through
their own version. You know. I've traveled a lot. You
know what I'm saying that, I've always I always dive
in the culture when I traveled as much as I can.

(01:00:31):
I'm gonna do my show. I'm gonna make my bag
when you're seeing me in three o'clock in the morning
to some hole in the wall or some boom, Yeah,
like what is this about. I think that's how you
get in touch with you know, the people. And really
that's the way I've realized just within the you know,
United States, I've realized that you know and doing that
same thing, that this ship is the same everywhere where

(01:00:53):
we are. The person I wish I would viral as
a comedian compared to artists. I wish I was doing
all everything as like a new jokes kit and then
that went viral, and then I would have started doing
being a comedian, because I feel being a comedian is
the last art form where you could tap in the
culture and literally be a one percent transparent version of

(01:01:13):
the jokes that you're saying in the barbershop. It literally
can be the jokes you're saying on stage. But at
the same time, one of the benefits of doing the
Joel way in twenty years and then you're gonna be
on one of them line ups performing all go everything
getting the bag. But we can't come do the jokes
we did yet. But you can do a reunion tour
that you said the last time they saw you. You

(01:01:34):
can't do that, Okay, when they heard it, they like
was neck fliging. But when you think that's true, because
do you think it's actually really true or do you
think that like if we go to Kevin Hart's first
series and he did like I'm only doing this jokes
from this right here, that those people won't come out
of that. No, I don't not not well maybe like this,

(01:01:56):
maybe like that time only want you ready to run
with that ship and that set has gone global and
everything can do delirious to the concert. They want to

(01:02:17):
hear a new song that they like just as much
as your last one. They want really, they really want
before they want you to do your old ship because
because you know, when you go up and you give
them the new ship, oh man, that she was great,
why you ain't doing but and you liked, then you
go up and do your old ship. Then they'd be like, right,

(01:02:41):
So it's said, you want my old ship by my
old alp man. Right. But it's like that's the thing
about being a comedian where you go in and like
Glow said, they want to hear the new song that
they liked just as much as the old one, but
they never heard the new song, but they made this
new song better be as good of the one. Yeah, yeah,

(01:03:02):
that's what it is. So and that's what I said, said,
that's what I've been studying for the last ten years.
It was like, okay, and not for the last thing.
I'm lying. The first five years I wasn't studying what
all everything was doing to our culture, how it was
studying how to survive in this industry. The I would
say the last four years of the ten was when
I was like, I'm like when I worked at Bruno Mars,

(01:03:24):
That's when I was like, oh, ship, I gotta do
homework on myself, how whatever, because the main thing I
learned from working with him, I was like, damn, this
thing has been studying me and I'm not studying me,
and this think it could do me better than me
in the moment right now. And you moved on and
I'm literally out here. You know what I think about

(01:03:46):
artists like those thousan that's when they just stopped. It's like, bro,
I'm so far ahead. It's like I can't do it anymore.
It's like, keep making myself believe that one day he's
just gonna pop out with eight thousand songs they hit
The ain't for you though, we take anything, we take
anything Dacoda song we take stopped rapping at the end.

(01:04:10):
It was like that's all I got. And then the
thing to me is, we know I like with three thousand,
this door and his process of doing it better than
doctor Dre and keep teasing us with this Detox ship
that it's bold to be coming out. Since I was
in the level grade ever man, I was in the studio,
like ever see what I'm saying. It was like a

(01:04:38):
credible person. He's like, bro, you wanna some from the
Detox that went to me? It was to another person
who was bigger than me, how whatever. So I'm just like,
now he once again knowing how to play the position
or whatever. It was like, look at out this conversation,
how whatever, a little bit above me right now? Whatever?
And I heard songs from the Detox or whatever, and
I was like, Okay, this is great. You know what

(01:04:59):
I'm saying. But it's great for the same point of like,
whenever you get it, it's gonna be worth it, man,
because he's just a great musical when he's standing that.
But it's like every time that you get a glimpse,
it's like a tease to where you're like, Okay, I've
been hearing this for so long. When am I going
to get something to be able to satisfy his tease
with three with three thousand? It's you that just walk

(01:05:22):
around with the flute. He don't give you no inclination
that he give me. And then whenever you mean about
him and he rapped, he rapped. It's something that's out
is that is that Kanye West verst about his mama's
I went back and listened to all the songs he
did for the cartoons for three thousand, Hard Sonny, come

(01:05:49):
On Man, and what's you call it? You know? And
the Beauty once again. Andre is one of those people
who was like, I hold in high regard because of
oh yeah, can't tell my trap studio Metro Paul and
when I first kicked off, I'm through about do She
was a big fan, but she was a big fan
because he put her on me how whatever type ship.
So I was like, damn, what's going on? Right? Yeah,

(01:06:10):
That's that's why it's hard for me to be like,
my life had to change over the team. I had
to get used of, like not being the regular fan
that was. The people are like Okay, now we are companions.
Now we are business. You old g you know we
got do business. You know what's it's like, bro, I
come from straight out of the trap, straight out of
the streets. How whatever hand to hand selling kicks this
that that that They're like, Oh damn, I just got

(01:06:30):
paying a hundred thousand doing a show with Drake how whatever?
And I had the ship got to be hard because
all these badass bitturees in here, and rich had Nick
is here. They want to show. They just spend all
their money because I just made it, you know what
I'm saying. And Drake is ready. He's always ready. He's
always ready. He's just always ready. I remember, I will
never forget the shows. Here's the All Star that I

(01:06:54):
have two shows the same night. I've just made so
much money, and it's me Drake to change at one show.
Then I have to leave them because I have another
show with me Jeez and Tia Nigga. I just quit
my job one night, one night, I just quit my job.
Hold on my team. Okay, no time he was working,

(01:07:18):
I was working. I stopped that job like right in January.
All Star February as Basketball February All star, so you
quickly job January and in February, the bossors like to
do was like a man, you gotta doing stories like
you can't work in the way because it already went
crazy because of the video with viral. So we already

(01:07:40):
had everybody calling my phone to sign me Rick Cross Diddy,
I'm hanging out with Diddy boo boo. So it already
is lit from a cloud thing. And but your money
and money once again, money is about throwing it as
far as you can throw it, how whatever. Don't try
and get all the money like I got all the
fame up front how that? But I didn't get all
the money up front of now whatever, So that was

(01:08:02):
what was awesome about it. I was like many how whatever.
I was like, don't want to change fame or don't
want to see this money go long long whatever. So
I was like, Okay, in order to get the money
anything I've ever succeeded that, I had to actually do
the things because I'm a hard work I'm a boot
strap type working like I gotta go. I wasn't good
at working smart. Who then is wining boots with straps?
Come on? Man? Really going down there back like people

(01:08:31):
actually had these. I had a question for you though,
speaking of boots with straps on them, Uh, what's your
fashion moment? Like that moment you spoke about a lot
of the musical moments that Eric about what's that moment
where you was in the fashion side of the game.
He was like, oh, Ship, nigga, you like at one
of them shows watching them Balencia, y'all, mom was walking down.
How crazy? Like, what was that moment for you? I

(01:08:52):
think honestly, man, it's a brand called b O d E.
Some people from that pronounced this bold. Some people say
bo d Yeah, that's exactly exactly. Um, the designers from
Georgia or whatever. And uh, I was shopping with her early.
I was on the brand early because I'd be outside
just still seeing ship. So things closed me speaking to

(01:09:14):
me and we got so cool. She invited me to
her first runway show in Paris for Men's Fashion Week
pandemic year, so it just before the pandemic in January
in Paris. My first time going to Paris, just to
like kick it. My first time going to Paris was
on my birthday. Um, so I came in the game
September and then my birthday or whatever. He was on tour.

(01:09:40):
It was wild, but it was wild, you know. But
so my next time back in Paris was so that's
seven years later, how whatever for fashion week, um her show,
big show. She she liked the little baby or fashion
how whatever, if you're comparing like the bubbling, like you
know what I'm saying. She got goddamn. So she got

(01:10:00):
the energy going, she got the team how whatever, she
got the people vouching or how whatever, like Will Welch
and Mark Anthony Green. That was like the heads of
g Q. That's like you know, Doug saying, like man
hooking the money to get out of the stop trapping,
burn rap or whatever, like the equivalent of that. So
like I know that because I cared how about fashioned
as much as music, as far as like who popping

(01:10:22):
and like who really the ship and she invited me
to the show and it was our first show and
it was like, oh ship, So I'll go right to Paris.
And it's a moment right before we go inside, walking
around the corner, I get out, I'm fresh as fuck.
I'm fresh fun. I'm talking about bra I'm fresh as fun.

(01:10:44):
I had that ship old, you know what I'm saying.
Like it's just going to Paris Fashion Week. I always
walking to ship really humble words, like I really don't
think I'll be the freshing again something. I'm really just
putting on some clothes how whatever. And when I went
to Paris, I was like, man, this niggas on this
super fashion ship. That's why I went a long time
not sucking with fashion week because I was like, man,

(01:11:05):
just a bunch of niggas who who their egos? They
went to college, they think they better than me because
I didn't go to college, these niggas whatever. And then
I realized I was like, oh damn, I dress better
than everybody I saw coming to Paris, going to that show,
coming around the corner, all the cameras stopped at all
the like known fashion people who they were all who
was like, who is this person? How whatever? Getting all

(01:11:29):
their attention to walking and sit in front row, And
just in that moment, I was like, damn, my nigga
really embarrassed right now, So fashion ship the first time
it really embarrassed when it is the white bears behind
you with a duck on smoking a cigarette this long
man oh man. Yeah. And I asked that because you know,

(01:11:50):
just being as into the you know that as much
as I as you grow with it, I know that
you gotta grow with it. It's not something that you
could just pick up, like I'd have been buying my
own clothes for so on that I know. It's a
process like this nigga tell you like I'd be in
the mall nigger everywhere, you know what I mean, And
I gotta process. I walk around that bitch one full
time to see what I see and then go back

(01:12:12):
and put it on again. It's like it's it's a
it's a process. But I remember the moment for me.
One of the moments for me is I come from
d C. We got a lot of local brands that
you know what I mean, the madness and the all
days and the shooters. And when I started getting recognition
from no gus leaders. No, no, no, no, it's it's
a bunch of or it's a major museum. Yeah, the museum.

(01:12:37):
That's my boy, madresses in DC. Majors, majors, you know, majors.
D I ain't never not hip the majors, my bad majors.
I don't know if y'all knew, but you know, I mean,
I know the ones that from when I was a
young I'm not about to sit there like, don't put
that ship on. Oh no, put that ship on and
take him a while. But he get it on special

(01:13:00):
down a little bit. The poor man we're talking about. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, yes he did. Yeah. It was a Zorro
one for two. You can tell. You can tell it

(01:13:23):
was that slightly above H and them quality, but below
you know what I mean, Jim, one of your ball
on the budget. It's like it's right above H and
them quality, but below like Sandro Paris and all of
those people that get you the real silk and all
that ship. Yeahs no slaps slides, the Gucci slides with it.

(01:13:53):
But to take it back to what you're saying, no chicken,
you know, um bit fashion and image. Man. You know,
if I didn't have it, man out to be equipped music, like,
if I didn't have that to balance it out, because
music business is they they they are not in the

(01:14:19):
game of it's it's it took them a long time
to get to where we are now. It wasn't meant
for us to win in it. It was meant for
us to survive in it. And I'm an immigrant I've
been surviving my whole life. All I know is survival.
So it was like, how long do I got I
survived my whole life? When they can I get to

(01:14:40):
a place of living, When you're gonna get to a
place of like being able to just be to be
treated as an actual equal how whatever. It might not
be for me, it might not happen, because it just
might not. But I think that what's been more important,
it's being able to take the time whenever I'm depressing.

(01:15:01):
It was like birth the world and everything being against me,
and get back up, make another project, do new things,
do movies, make my own sneaker, start a brand, how whatever.
But in the midst of it all, be a good
person to people, you know what I'm saying. Like that's
been the main consistent thing with me. It's like, no

(01:15:22):
matter what, I've never been bad to nobody, how whatever,
I might not have came and couldn't have come through,
how whatever, And but my intention what's here to me?
Once you're intentions in the right place, then you'll be
all right as long as you're not normally hurting yourself
and nobody else. Yeah, come on, man, you know what
I'm saying, you know, and and I'm so happy, the
happiest thing I'm about. Happy I'm about right now. I

(01:15:42):
don't know when this is gonna come out, but whenever
it does, whenever somebody looks at it. If just if
my album Don't Be Safe Too is out, then know
that that music means a lot to me because I
had to fight a lot of depression and a lot
of personal battles and a lot of self sabotage to
get to that place to be able to write those
words A lot, a lot, a lot. And that's me

(01:16:04):
in the midst of You know how conflicting it is
and how the president it is to be able to
write a hit song for other people to watch that
go viral. You can't write well for yourself or whatever
is the worst fit on earth? It literally is you
want to kill yourself. You know what I'm saying, and
so like to whether you hear well, I don't know
what this interview come out. You know to know that

(01:16:24):
my project R next project is called Don't Be Safe Too.
I'm working on it currently, so this comes out after
the project comes out. Um, know that that music, if
you chose to listen to it, you know I wanted
you to, and you know that means a lot to
me because those words were not easy to write, they
were not very being a lot more vulnerable because it's

(01:16:45):
like all the things I've learned in this game. You know,
it's ten songs, ten years, one year per song, THEMN there,
it's a lot. It's a lot, bro. You know, when
you actually really do care about morals and character in
the world is moralists and no character. You know, you
have to control your narrative at all costs, and that's

(01:17:07):
not always easy. Um As as good of a communicator
I am, as much as I know and all that human,
I'm human as fuck, you know what I'm saying. But
the fact that I can tell you that, Look, if
you see me on the stage performing my new album,
I'm bringing that smoke because I'm happy as fun, you
know what I'm saying. I had to fight day and

(01:17:28):
night to get out of that that depression, to get
out of that self sabotage. Because when they put you
the chokehold, and it features on that, and it features
on that, Yeah, for sure I would ever be talking
to you now. I haven't locked them all in time
it come out, you know, what I'm saying, like here, definitely,
because don't be safe. It's not about having the biggest

(01:17:50):
names on it. Don't be safe is the is the start.
I know when you say you're coming out of that depression,
you want to make music with people that you know,
so somebody and then you'd be like, who's Tony Snow?
But who's that? You know what I'm saying, Like who
is bruising Woolf for? Who is what I'm saying like
you pick on street fighters medium? So that is what

(01:18:20):
I've been studying the game right now. It's like, damn,
should I just drop my album on TikTok? Should I
just dropped my album eight South Channel? Like? What is
the k I'm saying? It ain't for a nigga like me.
My whole life was devised to make it to show
a nigga who really don't do ship by the rules

(01:18:42):
and you can be successful taking of your family doing
it however the funk you want to. Man, that's the
whole model of let's go man won every goddamn you
dropped that ship, come back, come back, come back for
you get some couple of wings and we'll do it. Yea.

(01:19:05):
Because it's no right way, man, It's no right way.
And I really appreciate everybody here and shout out to
my boy d C who was not here. You know
what I'm saying, Like, well, y'all being the thing that
like and I'm not a crier because I just I
don't know. My eyes don't do it. But um, I
gotta get some more sleep. This nicn blink the whole time.

(01:19:37):
But no, man, you know the fact that brothers like
y'all exists and platforms like this exists, and y'all I've
been wonder I was like, why can't these real nigga
show me respect? But then other people don't get it?
How whatever. Once again, it's that media versus in person,
you know. So every chance and every opportunity that I
get to push when I got going forward, whether it's

(01:19:58):
my music, my clothes on them brand uh, my socks.
You know what I'm saying. Whatever it is, anything movie
this that that you know, I truly appreciate it because
I'm always studying our culture and not just I coach.
You said something earlier that I want to touch on
before we get out of here. Um where It's like, bro,
when I went to Africa for the first time this

(01:20:18):
year in two, because that's when this is happening for
anybody watching, whether it's two, when you watching, No, we
ain't gonna be that late, is like and if you
want to know two, think about this. I went to

(01:20:41):
Africa for the first time this year twice. I went
to Nigeria to bring in the new year um legos
and then um in right before June, I went to
Cape Town, South Africa, and a lot of man Bro Nigeria.
First of all, I felt like Atlanta in Houston and
New York times a hundred times a hundred like smart

(01:21:07):
most we got to get over there. We've been talking
but too long. We got to get many. You know
what you're saying, I've been saying said, We've been saying
name and country. You know what I was saying, hit

(01:21:32):
And the reason why I bring those places up and
the reason I'm saying too because we were talking something
about black culture, and I think we were talking about
like if a black person at the label or white person.
You know, Bro, you said something I wish I wanted
to stop there, but Bro been from American Yes, how
whatever is like, Bro, black culture is one race. It

(01:21:54):
really is one race Black Africans. I got to see
our called you from three black perspective us. How I
was born in Trinidad and Tobago, so black Trinidada and
Tabagonian culture, right, and then I grew up here the
real talk you know what I'm saying, elementary, middle school,
in high school, so they can't tell me about it,
Letton or whatever Black American culture. And then I went

(01:22:15):
to Africa and you got to see black culture, which
is basically the it's the same thing. I got to
see a person in Africa that look, talk, walk and
act just like a Nick in Atlanta and a Nick
in Trinidad. Same features, same disposition, the same laugh, the
same teeth, the same smile, the same weird things that

(01:22:38):
we got in our culture. It's the same thing. Bro's
we have been taught, whether it's by each other or
other cultures, that we are different types of black. It's
one black. It's one black. I'm just pointing out there,
it's one black. So everything that everything that's happening, it's
not because of us. It's because the separation of us.

(01:22:59):
So when you go up place, do not I think
that you are a lessen there? You right there. And
if you go around there, you you know you you
you know you're gonna be around around the right Africans.
When they make you feel that you are just like them.
You should not feel less than a black person at
anytime because all black culture is one coature. I think
you get that more if you go over there, because
over here everything is jaded because of what the images

(01:23:21):
that the projecting this space is basically over you got
to go over there. See when the black we we
gotta go to boys, man, we gotta go to Africa. Man.
They wanted to questions about it all that this thing

(01:23:45):
is gonna be that a document the just toward Africa,
just toward Africa. If y'all know, we might be too
rong in some places. They don't come to come to
me too much. When you say you eat, what do
you mean? They don't care about that. Noons, be afraid.
We are not going to do nothing to You're the

(01:24:06):
front of anybody, but we need to know what you mean. Yeah,
but we gotta get over that making a black person,
you are doing it yourself. You are doing the same
thing Black people need to come to learn. I think

(01:24:27):
black people just need to come to Atlantage. If you're
a black person you go up with what you Kansas
and all you know is what you're tark Kansas, then
you're doing a disservice to yourself, and your black counts
are not coming to Atlanta. Yeah, because you get to
see a success level in Atlanta that you don't get
to see nowhere else. Atlanta is the only thing supposed
to exist, I know, right, That's the thing I say
about just this city in general, like this is one

(01:24:50):
of the only places where you can come and become
successful and not be a target simply because you're successful,
because there's so much black success where every other place
you go, for the most part, if you're the nigger
with the bread and the big Bentley and the chains,
and everybody is looking at Black success is expected in Atlanta.

(01:25:11):
It's expected in other places. I feel like it's battled
by the other cultures, Like Houston is close. I would
have like Houston, the black millionaires there, the crushes, they
do their thing. But I do feel that, um, Atlanta,
black success is just expected. You expect to meet a
rich black nigger how whatever, or a black woman with

(01:25:31):
their own business going crazy. Holdever, other places, the talent
is there, the money is there, Like I mean ship
the DMV. How do you got to certain parts of
of of d C. Hey did not the rich as
black people over there, that's the gentrification. But they still

(01:25:52):
they still you know what I mean, the black people.
I'm talking like you know where you have Atlanta that
you have you know from here, crush. The people who
from d C don't benefit from successes of the city

(01:26:13):
were coming from some I was like, oh damn, it's
a division here. I hate when I see a division
in black culture where when I'm like, bro, y'all so
close to each other, Why y'all, why it's a twenty
minute drive, like this is stupid or whatever. But it's
like this has been generations and generations of like, you're
working to get on this side. So if you're on
that side, how did you get there? Over the right

(01:26:37):
exactly like Lantern Nigga over here and show them how
to stay here. But that's a crazy perspectivity. You're gonna
make it working on. We're working working on, working is out.
Don't be safe to guys. Many dad socks. Shout out
to my brother RG. When you can get the shoes

(01:26:58):
all your products hands a company rg B Atlanta. I
would ever support where we're RGP dot com, RGP dot com.
Bet man, I know about the ship. Watch what I watch?
What I want sweat bro brother we knowing wait till

(01:27:18):
you pull up? You got so hey man, I because
y'all always talking shit. Whoever you roll yours up for you? Yeah?
Question three child? You know yeah, it's like that three.

(01:27:44):
Um you work with that I don't have in year. Yes, Um,
meeting Donna Glover child can be now however you want
to refer to him? Um, I identified with him because
he grew up drove a witness. I grew up drove
a witness. So when I saw that left the center awkwardness,

(01:28:07):
I was going, he just a joke witness? How whatever?
So to me, like the first time I met him
is like, oh, he flew me out to um to
come do the thing with him and Chris Bosh's old
mansion in that a nice sass mansion on the hills
pool off the side of the hill. You know what
I'm saying, It's just amazing. Here is me a chance
to rapper, playing connect forward, just hanging out. You know
that life is great? Whatever? Know, I was at the time,

(01:28:29):
I don't even know who this who chance to rapper
is how whatever. It's just like I'm gonna playing you
know what I'm I'm gonna play. I'm a bust this nigger.
You don't know how good at this game is actually
the only game I'm good at. I would have kill
this light ski nigger right now. It's you know, it's
a long time. I'm I'm sorry whatever. You know. So
I've got way better with black culture over the years.
Um and but you know see it being around him,

(01:28:53):
he is a very great curator to me of the
people that his his association so showed me. Then I
was just like, damn, I gotta find some arts friends, arts,
new friends. I had my current friends, but we were
so streeked, like I come from like street ship Bro,
which is like I'm not down on it. It's just

(01:29:14):
like Bro that has a certain type of skill set
with it, and if I'm not doing that skill set,
then it's coming way useless. And the things that I'm
doing now at the time, So when I got around
him and his entourager people, how whatever, I was like, damn,
just think there's no songs I've never heard of that
that helped me make better, help me make my next album,
Like meeting them helped me do TEMPIESI my next project

(01:29:34):
where I was like, who what if I do a
song that has Gucci Man, Scooter alley Boy, and then
oh wait a minute, I just did this thing with
you'all gonna be no. He from the east Side. So
Mountain is the east Side, the suburbs and the hood.
If it got black people and it's still one, it's
just a different type of house, you know what I'm
saying something like That's like me and him showed me that,

(01:29:56):
like we're gonna be all right type situation because left
the center is okay, and it's seeing Atlanta later on
and just seeing how you move. It's like this dude
right here could make Star Wars by himself and New
Face Bunches and ship New Face Atlanta legend, ghetto legend,
the legend legend. Oh wow, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

(01:30:24):
you open that up Trinidad James. And then but then
you open that up right there first, what's inside that's
got inside? Man,

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