April 2, 2025 • 39 mins
In Episode 23 of The Backcourt Podcast, YES Network’s Sarah Kustok and NetsDaily’s Lucas Kaplan break down the Brooklyn Nets' recent performance, including their two-game win streak and the impact of new players like Drew Timme. They dive into the role of the G League in player development, highlighting the strong synergy between the Long Island Nets and the Brooklyn Nets. The duo also discusses the team’s emphasis on ball movement, a key focus for head coach Jordi Fernández. Plus, they wrap up the episode with some fun Nets trivia and Final Four predictions!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You are now in the backcourt a Drew Timmy, I
mean a Brooklyn Nets podcast presented by Ticketmaster.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thank you to them.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It is April Fools, but we are recording and there
will be no Shenanigans. Of course, it is brook Lopez
and Robin Lopez is there for birthday. We were just
talking about how perfect that is that the all time
NETS leading scorer and the very silly man that is
brook Lopez was born on April Fool's Day. Sarah, how
are you doing on this wonderful holiday?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Fantastic? Just got back from Dallas and it was.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
It's been fun to writing calling a Brooklyn Nets to
game win streak, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Here for it, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And that brings us to the recap of the last week.
They lost to the Raptors and the Clippers at home,
but then went on the road and found some success.
They are on two game win streak as we record this.
On Tuesday afternoon, they had a weekend win in the
Nation's Capital over the Washington Wizards. Drew timmy game winner
(01:10):
in the final seconds, and I know we're going to
talk a lot about him and a win over the
Dallas Mavericks on Monday Night, which was great, Sarah was
in the building, a lot of resiliency, a double digit
fourth quarter comeback. So the Nets are entering the month
of April, Kat and Cara business. No April fools here, Sarah.
(01:33):
What have you seen over this last week? Generally speaking?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I think it's just such a contrast of what we
saw in that Toronto and Clippers game. Because we may
have talked about this, but you can count on one
hand the time said it felt like the Nets just
really didn't have it. Didn't have it in a sense
of a sense of urgency or just a sharpness in
how they were playing. And so I think in responding
(02:00):
in what things look like and Washington's been I mean,
Washington had won the first two meetings against Brooklyn this season.
They're an interesting team. I know there were missing pieces,
and I understand the way the record looks, but sometimes
playing at Washington, given the environment, given a little bit
of stagnancy, there can be a challenging place to really get.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Up and play.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And then of course, Dalla, it's a team that is
fighting to get into They're already in a play in spot,
but just kind of fighting for their playoff positioning.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Anthony Davis was back. They just got back Daniel.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Gafford pretty much. You know, a lot of the healthy
bodies they were looking to get back, short of Derek
Lively were playing, and Brooklyn got down, they came back and.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was such a really fun showing of the resiliency,
the execution.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I know we'll get in to the game winner at Washington,
but I think all of those things that it just
felt like the way the week ended, the way the
road trip ended, there was a lot of really good
juice here as you headed to this final stretch for Brooklyn,
and I think that's what you want to see because
regardless of circumstances of all things, you want all these
individuals and you want this group to feel good as
they headed to the off season.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, we're definitely going to dive into specifics the Wizards.
You know, they were ten and seventeen since February started,
so I know they had a really tough first couple months.
That record looked pretty awful, but really for two months
now they've been a decent to competitive NBA ball club.
(03:29):
You could find a lot worse records than ten and seventeen.
And then Dallas was welcoming back Daniel Gafford.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They were big.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The Nets don't have Dayron Sharps, they didn't have Noah Clowney,
and the size disadvantage really did not bother them. I mean,
they gave up a lot of points in the paint,
but they combatd that in other ways, which I'm sure
we're going to talk about just first though, a couple
of shout outs that we have to get to. Oh
that happened over the last week. Tyson Etienne, who the
(03:56):
Nets signed to a two way deal, scored his first
NBA point on his first NBA shot. He made a
three at home against the Clippers, and he became the
five thousandth player to ever appear in an NBA game.
So that's a cool piece of trivia. You have to
file away for an episode of the Backcourt in you know,
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fifteen years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And Drew Timmy did the same.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He not the five thousandth player to appear, but he
was probably the four thousandth, nine hundred and ninety ninth.
And he's had a great three game start to his
NBA career, and we're going to dive into that, but
I just want to ask and talk first about the
synergy between the G League's Long Island Nets and the
Brooklyn Nets, because that's kind of stood out all season,
(04:44):
and we've talked about it, you know, I've written about
it for a couple of years now, Cam Thomas Dayreon,
Sharpneck Claxton, all of these real deal NBA contributors, Jalen
Wilson have spent a lot of time in Long Island,
and this season Tyree Smart and worked his way from
a two way to an NBA standard contract. Drew Timmy
was not on any two way deal, earned an NBA contract,
(05:08):
Tosana Woma, Long Island picked him up. He's contributed in
some big ways, and Tyson Aten just making his debut.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What is it about, either what you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Know about Long Island specifically or the G League in
general that has made it such an effective farm system
for Brooklyn because it's a really unique, you know, part
of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
A really unique part of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And I'll go back to you know this, not to
take us too far back, but I hid this is
probably this was actually back when Directors nine to five
had won the G League title with Fred van Fleet,
Pascal Siakam. I'm trying to think who else was was
on that on that team, But nonetheless, you get the point.
(05:51):
Those are years that time, a couple of seasons I
called the G League Finals and it was when they
were trying to get one to one with NBA teams
and so a prior year and Sioux Falls and obviously
the Miami Heat team in the connectivity between that group,
and you could tell that organizations were starting to latch
on the idea of this isn't just more of a
concept of the G League being a place that you're
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you're kind of pulling different players and it's it's more
of a showcase of players, but not necessarily the systems
that are feeding into the the pro team, the NBA team.
And I think from that we now continue to see
the growth, especially with Long Island, because I know, look,
as we're so tied to it, we see it, we
understand the coaching systematically, everything is in line, and you
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have an opportunity to have players get a full understanding,
whether it's during training camp, whether it's through the course
of the off season and then during the season doing
the things that they would potentially be doing with the
Brooklyn Nets club as well, and vice versa or you know,
the back and forth, and I think to just the
value that has been shown in so many different NBA players,
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and you can go down the list, you know, I
feel like Alex Caruso was a big one of that
early on, many others that it was no longer. It's
not a demotion going to the K League. It's not
a circumstance where you know, I've got to go. It's
an opportunity, and it's an opportunity to improve your value,
get some run, whatever the skill set is to then
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get set to have these type of opportunities. And so
I think more than ever you see that with the
Long Island Nets. Give a ton of credit to the
different coaching staffs and staffs that have been through there
and those obviously that have been in the front office
of the Long Island Nets. But fon Udophia like what
he has done with this group and the synergy between
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the coaching staffs. And I say all that to say
that so many of these players you have mentioned them
all that have played for the Nets, they talk so
much about what that time has meant. And so now
you see the jump of these players. And Jordi Fernandez
said in a recent press conference when speaking about and
whether it's you know, some of the time Jarik Whitehead
or now what you know we've seen just kind of
(08:03):
the flawless transition of Tyson Ntian or you know, obviously
Drew Timmy that he said, we know these guys, they
know our system, they know we're asking of them, we
know what to expect of them, and so it's not
some big Hey, we got to go back through the
whole playbook and realign everything that we're doing. And that's
been evident with how they're playing. And so that's a
(08:25):
long winded way of saying I can't say enough good
things about what the g League is, specifically with the
Long Islands, but just overall the league in general, how
organizations use it, what it does for these players, and
how much it impacts the potential sustainability or longevity or
opportunities throughout the course of their career because they have
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that type of translatable experience.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Now, that was a great pull with the Fred van
Vliet Pascal Siakam Raptors nine oh five championship squad, and
I do feel you know, that was twenty seventeen. It
does feel like over the last little bit less than
a decade, the NBA has really leaned into the G
League as a development ground. Obviously changed from the D
League to the G League in that time. A lot
(09:10):
of NBA teams, if not all, have gone one to one,
you know, with their own G League team. And Drew
to me said it when he was called up. He
not only praised the coaching staff and you know how
hard that they've pushed him and the grind that the
G League is, but he said, I will say a
lot of faces are familiar to me coming into this.
(09:31):
I've never been to Barclays before, but I've seen a
bunch of people around and everything. The offense is similar,
so trying to learn everything real quick, that's been a
little easier. But most importantly, you see familiar faces around
and that also makes it comforting. So I think, especially
in a rebuilding sort of era for the NETS where
there's a lot of young talent, it's great that they're
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not just quote unquote plucking guys off the street. There
is a synergy and it's helped guys like Tyrese, Martin,
Tosan and Awdrew, Timmy and just a big shout out
to the work that Muffan Udolphia has done. We cover
Long Island Nets at Nets Daily. I want to shout
out my guy, Scott Mitchell, who covers them, you know
as a b writer covering the team, but you know
(10:14):
the story of the Brooklyn Nets, and Geordi Fernandez has
said this over and over is not complete without talking
about the full club, the full organization, and that includes
Long Island, and I think it's very very appropriate to
shout them out. And now it's appropriate to dive into
the man of the week maybe in early Brooklyn's finest selection.
(10:38):
Drew Timmy, Timmy Time. Tommy Time is March March Madness legend.
He is the sixth most points in March Madness in
the tournament history, and his good fortunes in this month
have just continued. What have you seen from Drew Timmy,
who is averaging thirteen points and six boards over his
first three career NBA games.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
He does a little things like to me, it's just
the instincts and the feel of how to play, and
obviously you see in the production of points of rebounds,
craftiness around the basket, but him picking up some of
that loose change, him getting on the floor dive in
from these balls. All of those things matter. And when
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you go through an individual like that who have a
type of success he had through his collegiate career and
then doing what he did to earn this opportunity, like
he just to meek jumps off the page as a
winning player. Like you can't always categorize all the things.
You understand how he can play, you understand the fit
that he brings, his ability to facilitate in that in
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that big spot, but he just he just feels like
a winning player. And I think that's why you have
seen him have a lot of moments that really energized
what the team was doing or came in important times.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I say winning moments. Obviously in the game winning
play and.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That was a beautiful play in past by Tyree Smart
off of that circumstance, So give him a ton of
credit for creating that. But he's just he feels like
a guy you could just count on. You know, he's
going to be in the right places. You know, he's
gonna be trying to do the right things. He's not
always going to be perfect. You know, there's circumstances where
whether it's the size for quickness, you name, it may
come into play, but overall, he just gets it and
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he understands how to get things done. And that, to
me is a player that as a coach, you put
on the floor and you can trust what you're going
to get from.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's really interesting that the Nets have had these two
way guys. And I'm thinking of TOAs On here that, yeah,
that came into the NBA as really accomplished basketball. You know,
they have accomplished basketball careers. They have a pedigree. Drew,
Timmy and Toson were focal points of their really good
college teams, and so it almost feels different, you know where,
(12:53):
for example, like a guy like Peyton Watson on the
Nuggets came off the bench at UCLA for one year
and I think his mindset probably he's a little different occasionally,
you know, maybe reluctant to shoot an open three. Obviously
I love Peyton Watson, but that's just a point of
reference to where Timmy and toss On, especially Timmy these
last few games, come in and want the ball, and
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they're not afraid and they're confident. They've been the best
player on the court in huge games in their basketball careers,
and I think that really shows with Timmy because when
he played made his NBA debut versus the Clippers and
then that game in Washington, he wants the ball. He
wants to show you what he can do, and that's
everywhere on the court. Like you can tell, he believes
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he can play at this level. And how about blocking
Anthony Davis in isolation last night? Yeah, obviously the defense
is going to be, you know, more of the question
mark because we know how offensively skilled he is. But
diving on the floor for a loose ball on that
end to ignite a fast break, blocking a d what
do you think he has to do to really solidify
(13:58):
a solid NBA career for himself, because we know he's
going to play hard, we know he's going to try
to play to his strength. But what do you see
as you know, the key for him going forward?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I think I think so much comes down to fit
and the role and how he fits within the context
of what a team is trying to do. And you know,
we talked about the skill set and what he brings
to the table, and that's why I don't know what
it looks like, but I think part of it is. Okay,
what is the compilation of the roster, of the line up,
the rotation, look around him and where does he fit
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in that he brings something to the table. Because the
thing that's where I think, I know the nets were
down the bigs and Noah Clowney and Dayron Sharp against
Dallas Cam Johnson not playing as well. So that's just
positional size across the board. But I think the compliments
of you have a player like Nick Claxton, like Dayron Sharp,
even a Noah Clowney, true to everyone's different and you've
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got a different skill set, strengths, weaknesses, and that brings
optionality for a coach to a lineup. And I think
what Timmy does, again we've talked about all the little
things he does, there's to me always a room on
a roster for that. And whether it's a guy that
ends up playing twenty five minutes a night or someone
(15:14):
that's playing twelve minutes a night, he feels to me like,
whatever my opportunity is, I'm going to make the most
of it, whatever minutes I get. That could be variable changing,
you know, or very based on a nightly basis, based
on opponent or matchup or personnel. But he to me
is a guy that's okay, what do you need me
to do? This is what I can do, and I'm
going to figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
To get it done.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I think for Timmy, something that he's talked about is
an improving three point shot.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And I think sometimes that gets overstated in.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The NBA, like every big needs to shoot from the outside.
I don't know if that's totally true. There's a lot of,
you know, really good centers that don't really take outside shots.
The Nets kind of have two of them in Nick
and Dayron, though they've been expanding their range. But I
really do see him with the skill and kind of
the passing acumen to play from the top of the key,
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you know, handoffs, drive the ball a little, with that
kind of funky, unorthodox game. He had a play against
Washington where he caught the ball at the top of
the key against j T. Thor, who is a big,
strong guy, and methodically took the ball to the rim,
kind of turned it into a post up and scored
with his left hand. And so I think that three
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pointer is going to be big for him. You know,
obviously he's only taken a handful at the NBA level,
but the Nets did run an out of time outplay
for him to come off a flair screen against Dallas
and he nailed the three, So I think that shows
you that they believe in his three point shooting ability.
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
We've seen him impact winning. You know, we just talked
about the G League the Nets. The Long Island Nets
did not start this season very strongly. They were I
think four and sixteen if you include the preseason, the
tip off tournament going into the regular season, before Timmy
shows up, and then they have a winning record. They're
above five hundred with Timmy who averaged twenty four points
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a game in his twenty nine appearances. So he's not
just obviously about getting his own putting up stats. He's
about doing it the right way and trying to lead
his team to wins. Is there any play or moment
or skill that maybe surprised you stuck out? You know,
Timmy's a guy that we watched a lot because of
his career at Gonzaga, maybe more so than other fringe
(18:02):
NBA guys. But is there anything that may be surprised
or you liked from his first three games?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
No, just every I think everything I've said and everything
we've said and we've talked about.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And I think you're right about the three point shot.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
However, I think his willingness to take it, the improvement
that he showed through the course of even this G
League season, that's a factor. And if you're just a
player who can somewhat be a threat from that area,
especially for how much Brooklyn wants to shoot three point shots.
But every team's going to have their scouting report, Every
team is gonna you know, their personnel of how they
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want to guard that with the player given whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
The efficiency of shooting that is.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But no, But I think everything everything that we've said,
and those are all positive things. But I think that's
a lot of what we had come to expect from him.
I think it was just can he do it at
this level? I think you saw that in a very
small sample size two games, but still two games of
which the Nets were able to come away with wins,
and he was an impact part of that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, And I'm just probably going to go down as
a good, a great moment. Towards the end of this
NET season, he and Jalen Wilson middle school teammates bet
in the fourth grade from Dallas, you know, get to
have great moments in a win over the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's the story of stuff you can't script. You know,
Jalen had a good week.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We're going to get to him score a season ye
twenty points against Washington and then he closes out the
Dallas game at the free throw line with two swishes.
That's just a nice, you know, a great moment. And
obviously Timmy holding his own against one of the NBA's bigger.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
More athletic front lines.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That was really cool, and it I think really exemplified
a switch and what we talked about last week where
the Nets have been really.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Struggling to close out clutch games.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They have played the most clutch games in the NBA
within five points in the last five minutes since the
All Star Break. Prior to this week, they were three
and twelve in such games two and oh this one.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So what changed, man, I don't know, Lucas, if I
could put my finger on it. I think there's the
small things of just getting more comfort in those situations,
and that makes a difference. The more you're in those situations,
the more that you feel a level of freedom and
comfort with one another. I just felt like the quality
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some of the big issues, and especially those two bad
losses to Toronto and the Clippers, but even the first
half or moments when then it's got down in the
games against Washington or Dallas, it was turnovers and if
they're not you know, if they're not getting some of
those quality looks. Because there were stretches in Dallas, and
even when Dallas had extended their lead to eight points,
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I think that it was as large as ten, but
six seven, eight points a lot of it is still
came from Brooklyn getting some good looks, just not going through.
And I think all of these players are confident enough,
especially the end the games, we see it that as
long as they're getting those looks, was a great and
I'd say it was sitting, you know, court side, calling
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the game, watch and seeing their faces.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There was trust in each other, like you could see.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The build of chemistry. And whether it's Jalen or Tyresee,
you know, Drew Trendon Keia, like all of those got nick.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I want to leave anyone out because everyone.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Was a part of it. Like it just felt like
they were having fun. They're having fun playing for one another.
I'll bring this back to I think I said it
on the broadcast the shooter around in Dallas the morning
of that game. It was in Dallas's practice practice gym
within American Airlines Arena.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It was just it was really it felt like just
really special energy, Like.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
It was a good vibe. It was a good environment.
And it's not to say that it's not always like that.
And sometimes I don't know, sometimes I feel like it's
a smaller, more intimate gym. You could blast the music
they were going through stuff, But there was just a sharpness,
there was an excitement and there was something about it,
and that felt like they just really had something good
going and I think it translates at the end of
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games when you just have trust in one another and
when that continues to build. And so, yeah, there's points
of execution. It was getting stops. I think Dallas ended
up doing a lot of thing. You know, there was
a lot of moments from Dallas that kind of made
you scratch your head of ways in which to me,
it felt like they came out of a timeout with
about three to go and they got a nice lob
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play I think between Spencer din Winni and Daniel Dafford. Yeah,
and from that moment it felt like, Okay, now they're
gonna lock it down and they're gonna be more sharp.
But it felt like they just figured they would walk
away with that one. It felt like they there was
there was a sense from them like, oh, Okay, we've
got this back.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
We're gonna fiture out a few of the better team.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeahs like that.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And then that's just kept making plays and making shots
and you.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Don't come back from double digits in the fourth quarter
too often it was ninety four eighty four nets come back,
kind of go back and forth, that lob play happens,
then the same thing happens. I thought Brooklyn shot quality
was just way better down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And you know a lot of the clutch time stuff
hen be random. You have. It's very small sample size.
It's five minutes.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Sometimes you miss an open shot and the other team
makes a tough shot, not really indicative of how well
you played, quote unquote, but I thought Dallas what especially
was indicative of the quality of play between the two teams.
Brooklyn deserved to win that game. I thought they did
a lot of the little things well. Obviously shout out
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D'Angelo Russell for coming back in and commandeering the offense.
You know, he finds Nick Claxon on a great dive
to the rim on. Really the kind of the dagger
and all of that reminded me of a quote from
Jordi Fernandez.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I had to look it up.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This is preseason, we're talking and he talks about his
offensive philosphy, philosophy and sharing the ball, and it was reminded.
I was reminded of this because of the ten nets
that played against Dallas nine hit a three, Eight of
them hit multiple threes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
The ball was popping.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
They had thirty plus assists again, and he said in
the preseason, I really think that the ball has energy.
Everybody touches the ball, everybody's happier. I think that good energy.
We need to share that energy. So we've been playing
a certain way and that way is sharing the basketball,
being more unpredictable, harder to guard. And it's really cool
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that six months later, you know, he's talking about preseason
games there, six months later, that feels like the main
reason as to why they beat Dallas. You know, DiAngelo Russell,
I think at the end of shot clock kind of
had to commandeer some stuff, take over, play high, pick
and roll.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But for the most part, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
They get the ball to Nick Claxton, Drew Timmy at
the top of the key, handoffs, backcuts, everybody touches the ball.
And what did you make of their offensive strategy? Because
it felt like they knew they weren't going to out
muscle Dallas.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
In the paint.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Admitted to getting up forty to fifty three point shots.
They go twenty to fifty one. They all felt really good.
They felt like good looks from where I was sitting.
You know, I don't know if you talk to any
Dallas people or whatever, what makes the Nets offense harder
to guard when they can get those clean looks.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Because it felt like that was the reason they beat Dallas.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, I think that was it, and that's what I
was saying of just like the quality of looks. I
think there's a belief that those whill go through at
the end of the game. And I don't think there's
anything in particular. I think they just I think Dallas
in many cases was given a more room than you
would anticipate on three point shots. I don't think they
had expected the Nets to shoot that well or shoot
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that well on the clutch.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And to me, it was just the quickness of decision.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Making involved movement by Brooklyn And so you said it
like that's if they continue to move the basketball that way.
There's enough threats on the floor when they say stay
spaced and balanced that when they're hitting very very tough
to guard because they'll penetrate kicks so often.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It looks so good because.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
They're touching the paint, and whether that's through passing, whether
that's through dribble penetration, whatever, it is. They can create
those open looks, and they've got guys that can when
they get hot, like a Tyrese Martin some of those
big three point shots that he made again Keon Johnson
Jalen like, there are stretches that when those are going down,
you just you feel it and how they're moving. And
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I think obviously anytime you see shots go through gives
you a little bit more, a little bit more juice
on the defensive end.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And so I think you saw that go hand in.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Hand Brooklyn is taking this is the whole season now
the fifth most threes in the league and the third
most corner threes in the league. And you know, I
think a lot of the season they haven't had maybe
a like constant, aggressive downhill driver that can bully their
way to the rim.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And against Dallas, big.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Team, not switching a lot of you know, screens, plane drop,
that's what the Nets have been best against this season,
you know, handoff game, all that stuff you see, you know,
initiating from the top of the key. And they were
excellent getting into the paint playing off two feet and
so Dallas scores fifty six paint points and wins that
(27:16):
battle by a lot, But because of Brooklyn's commitment, you know,
to spraying the ball around getting open looks. It never
felt I think, you know, on overcomeable. That's certainly not.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Right, but no, it felt like it was.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, in addition to, you know, how did their fight
on the defensive glass. They really held their own on
the glass against a much larger team. I'm sure you
were like getting feeling like you were getting bumps and
bruises sitting courtside.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, but they were. It was positional and like that's
what it came down to, was positional.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Everyone was moving in the word and it was not
pretty early on right, and especially when they were you know,
going through some of the zone and Dallas was get
in the middle of it. That's what happened in that
first meeting. But they were making shots and keeping up
with Dallas's shot making, and then they tighten things up
coming into the second half. But I think, you know,
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just in terms of they go throught, they are good
at blocking out, like they understood the importance of that.
And sometimes when you're playing a team that's that much
bigger than you, it's more front of mine and so
you know that this is the one thing that we
need to absolutely focus on and it makes you be
a little bit more just intentional on every single time
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a shot goes up. And I think we saw that
with them.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I would say I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
The asked the announcers question last night was I believe
it was what you look at on the stat sheet
or you know what is the most.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Most important stat And then I gave ten, you gave ten.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But they were all about the possession, you know, the action, rebounding,
the turnovers.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You got to get more shots up.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I would say a four to one assist to turnover
ratio is pretty good. Yeah, thirty two assists, yes, yes.
And if there's I guess one stat I would mention
from that Dallas game, it's that there are a lot
of strong individual performances this week, especially in the Washington
game where Jalen Wilson scores a season high twenty. Tyrese
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Martin just continues to be rock solid. He hit twenty
in the Washington game. I know we just talked a
lot about Drew Timmy and very deservedly so, so for
sort of a modified Brooklyn's Finest or whatever. Are there
any individual performances that you would like to shout out.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I know it's tough when everyone is touching the rock.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I just I just feel like everyone was so I
there was just such a complete effort, like you can
go through the Washington win even though we got hurt,
Like what Cam Johnson did, you know, to really help
them and will them and especially get into the line
and facilitating and creating so much. I think Keon Johnson
(29:55):
has been solid in his confidence and obviously there's a
lot of areas to shore up D'Angelo Russell. To look
at him having eighteen and eleven and some of those games,
I mean he orchestrated things down the street. You asked
about what was the difference in closing out that game
in Dallas, And to me, a huge part of that, yes,
was all the shot making and the little things and
the ball movement every so much of that was also
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the composure that I think in many cases D'Angelo had shown.
Nick was great, Like I don't there's not one player
this I think we've touched on all of them. But
like that to me is the fun part of what
this group has done now at this point and what
we're going to watch them do. And even you know,
Tyson Tyson at the end getting an opportunity to come
(30:39):
in if he was really like he gave a great
purse and you can just see with his energy on
the bench. I can go down the list, but that,
to me is the special part of what this group
is coming together and doing at this point in the season,
when it'd be very easy to just pack it in,
be count down the days, count down the games, and
be ready head off for the offseason. And that is
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the entire opposite of how they've shown up. And so
I think you just give them so much credit for
that type of professionalism that they've brought each and every night.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Their three lowest minute guys against Dallas were Tyree Martin
after he had a great start in Washington, Maxwell Lewis,
and Derek Whitehead. They score eleven points, eight points and
eight points respectively. So, just to illustrate your point about
top to bottom production.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
In those in you saying that, like to me, I specifically,
there was a couple of Tyree three point shots in
that fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That early fourth shifted.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
It felt like they.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Shifted the complexion of oh no, this isn't necessarily just
going to be a runaway here in the final quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Down ten points.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
As I said beginning of the fourth quarter, those are
the best heavy lineups typically in the NBA. You know,
started the second start of the fourth and Brooklyn winning
those minutes saved them in that game, and that I
think is a good note to sort of transition to
well befortreate.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
We got a little a few.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Injury updates, you know, Dayron Sharp with a knees brain
has been out set to be reevaluated this week. Noah
Clowney missed Sunday's game, as did Cam Johnson, so still
a lot of moving parts. D'Angelo Russell missed the Washington game,
then came back sort of in Cam Johnson's place, you know,
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veteran leading the offense again.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Shout out to those two guys.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Cam Johnson was just the engine of that comeback in Washington,
and d Lo was awesome against Dallas, so veteran presence.
So we'll see what's going on with the Nets over
this next week where they are at home. You only
have to go on the road one more time. Are
you going to uh Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I am, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
How does it feel to be almost done with travel?
I know you have other obligations.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Weird. I always feel this time the season, especially.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
That when we know that there is a a actual
date that it's going to finish, it always feels a
little a little weird.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I will be going to San Antonio this week.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
The only game I will not be doing will be
the Toronto home game on Sunday, So for the men's
Final four and for some CBS shows, I'll go to
the go.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
To the Final four in San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
But yeah, but it's weird, and it's a back to
The Minnesota game is a second of it back to back,
so it's just a quick one off, it is.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
If he'd even call it that.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
So, yeah, it feels, you know, it feels it feels
like it's been a long year, but also it feels
like it flew by, it does. I think that's the
typical typical to feel at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
If you guys haven't been to a NETS game yet,
here's your chance. They have six more games left, five
of them are at home. Over this next week. They
got the Wolves, the Raptors on Sunday, as Sarah mentioned,
and the Pelicans. So that's what we'll be talking about
a week from now. But now it's time for some trivia.
By the way, I found this when I was looking
at the Raptors nine to five squad. You mentioned, uh,
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you know who's on that team too, not that this
is not the trivia. I'm sorry, Christian Watford, Trenton's older brother.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I don't know, you know, I felt that was
worth mentioning.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That is oh wow, Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And hey, Norm Powell was not on that team, but
he was on the next year's team and another player
that the Raptor's nine oh five produced. And so I
think the Nets have taken some of that mantle. They're
just churning out NBA quality rotation guys in Long Island.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's not what our trivia is about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Our trivia has to be about Drew Timmy, uh you know,
or himmy as iron Eagle so delightfully exclaimed in Dallas
after he blocked a d How many Nets in franchise
history have recorded a double double in their debut as
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in their NBA debut, not in their Nets debut in
their NBA debut, as Drew Timmy did against Los Angeles Clippers.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I'll give you a hint. It's single digits.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
How many nets?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
How many nets?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Buck Williams?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh, wow, you're gonna name them? Yeah? Buck Williams is
on there. Wow, grate Pool.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Now, maybe I shouldn't start naming. I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna say, I'm going to give you five others.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's Drew Timmy became the fifth. Okay, so four others.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
But I'm trying, well, I try to buck.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Another.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
There's another famous no NBA debut, NBA debut, Oh, NBA debut.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
There's one more.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Renowned Nets big man from a little past that era
that is somewhat of a franchise. That is a franchise
legend that did it, that played in the early nineties.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I'm going to be very upset when I don't get
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is Derek Coleman is another? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Okay, okay, okay, DC Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Calvin Natt did it in nineteen seventy nine as and
one of my vivid memories as a childhood Nets fan
was Terrence Williams doing it in two thousand and nine
against Minnesota, and I feel like I can picture him
wearing those all red New Jersey Nets jerseys around that era.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So those are the four that's some good company.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It is it is you know, we got hey, no
disrect to Terrence and calvinat Derek Coleman and Buck Williams Man.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Those are NBA careers to strive. Yeah. Also Drew Timmy
great great quote, great quote. I should go look at
his press conferences.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
At a story I'm writing for nets Daily right now
that'll be out when this pod is released. But a
fun week in NETS world two and two, two great
victories on the road, and we hope that they can
continue that moment and when they come home this week.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Is there any partying words?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, just uh just let's let's keep keep rolling strong
here through the final stretch.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
The weather is turning. March weather is turning, weather turning.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Who you got? Who you got? Who? Who you have?
Winning for your final four? Talking March fandness in college.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I do four number one seeds is a bit much.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I'm very mad at everyone whose bracket is doing well
because I just think it's cowardly to pick four number
one seeds, and yet they were rewarded this year, so
I can't really hate too much.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I gotta go with Duke.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I just they're very good. They seem awesome. But really,
I wouldn't be surprising if anybody wins. I just think
Duke is an extremely rarely polished college team that is
awesome on offense and defense, and they got some major talent.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
But all four teams have been great. How about you?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could agree.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I got to see as I think I talked about
lest we Duke in Florida in colin those first two
round gags and radio. I saw Houston earlier, I've not
seen Auburn live. I Duke just impress me in such
a way, in such a way.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
They're so complete.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You said it, what they do at both ends of
the floor, their length, their size. Cooper Flag is the
real deal. John Shire I know from from back. He's
from North such yeah but so yeah, so he I
know very well.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
We go way way.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Way back, So I obviously want to see great things
for him.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
But no, but I really like Florida.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
But for as much as I if you would ask
me before the start of sernament, I would have picked Florida.
But after watching them and watching you know just kind
of how things have played out, more so not just
in the scores, but in in the performance. But Walter
Clayton Junior he's another Yeah, he's another impressive, impressive player,
So that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
There are some good and hope lay deems in this
Final four PAP. Maybe next time you can corroborate, we
can talk about Patrick Beverly's story of calling John Shire
White Mike, as he was apparently known in Chicago throughout
his high school career.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
For another day.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That's a story for another day. But thank you everyone listening.
We hope you enjoy the great weather. It's been happy
down the Northeast, the sunny days in New York City,
the Final four men's and women's. That's going to be
just a great next week of basketball, as it always
is throughout this time of year. We thank you very
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much for listening to the Backcourt Podcast as always presented
by Ticketmaster. Thank you to them, Thank you to you
for listening, like subscribe, rate us all of that good stuff,
and we will see you next week.
You are now in the backcourt a Drew Timmy, I
mean a Brooklyn Nets podcast presented by Ticketmaster.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thank you to them.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It is April Fools, but we are recording and there
will be no Shenanigans. Of course, it is brook Lopez
and Robin Lopez is there for birthday. We were just
talking about how perfect that is that the all time
NETS leading scorer and the very silly man that is
brook Lopez was born on April Fool's Day. Sarah, how
are you doing on this wonderful holiday?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Fantastic? Just got back from Dallas and it was.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
It's been fun to writing calling a Brooklyn Nets to
game win streak, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Here for it, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And that brings us to the recap of the last week.
They lost to the Raptors and the Clippers at home,
but then went on the road and found some success.
They are on two game win streak as we record this.
On Tuesday afternoon, they had a weekend win in the
Nation's Capital over the Washington Wizards. Drew timmy game winner
(01:10):
in the final seconds, and I know we're going to
talk a lot about him and a win over the
Dallas Mavericks on Monday Night, which was great, Sarah was
in the building, a lot of resiliency, a double digit
fourth quarter comeback. So the Nets are entering the month
of April, Kat and Cara business. No April fools here, Sarah.
(01:33):
What have you seen over this last week? Generally speaking?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I think it's just such a contrast of what we
saw in that Toronto and Clippers game. Because we may
have talked about this, but you can count on one
hand the time said it felt like the Nets just
really didn't have it. Didn't have it in a sense
of a sense of urgency or just a sharpness in
how they were playing. And so I think in responding
(02:00):
in what things look like and Washington's been I mean,
Washington had won the first two meetings against Brooklyn this season.
They're an interesting team. I know there were missing pieces,
and I understand the way the record looks, but sometimes
playing at Washington, given the environment, given a little bit
of stagnancy, there can be a challenging place to really get.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Up and play.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And then of course, Dalla, it's a team that is
fighting to get into They're already in a play in spot,
but just kind of fighting for their playoff positioning.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Anthony Davis was back. They just got back Daniel.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Gafford pretty much. You know, a lot of the healthy
bodies they were looking to get back, short of Derek
Lively were playing, and Brooklyn got down, they came back and.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was such a really fun showing of the resiliency,
the execution.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I know we'll get in to the game winner at Washington,
but I think all of those things that it just
felt like the way the week ended, the way the
road trip ended, there was a lot of really good
juice here as you headed to this final stretch for Brooklyn,
and I think that's what you want to see because
regardless of circumstances of all things, you want all these
individuals and you want this group to feel good as
they headed to the off season.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, we're definitely going to dive into specifics the Wizards.
You know, they were ten and seventeen since February started,
so I know they had a really tough first couple months.
That record looked pretty awful, but really for two months
now they've been a decent to competitive NBA ball club.
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You could find a lot worse records than ten and seventeen.
And then Dallas was welcoming back Daniel Gafford.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They were big.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The Nets don't have Dayron Sharps, they didn't have Noah Clowney,
and the size disadvantage really did not bother them. I mean,
they gave up a lot of points in the paint,
but they combatd that in other ways, which I'm sure
we're going to talk about just first though, a couple
of shout outs that we have to get to. Oh
that happened over the last week. Tyson Etienne, who the
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Nets signed to a two way deal, scored his first
NBA point on his first NBA shot. He made a
three at home against the Clippers, and he became the
five thousandth player to ever appear in an NBA game.
So that's a cool piece of trivia. You have to
file away for an episode of the Backcourt in you know,
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fifteen years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And Drew Timmy did the same.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He not the five thousandth player to appear, but he
was probably the four thousandth, nine hundred and ninety ninth.
And he's had a great three game start to his
NBA career, and we're going to dive into that, but
I just want to ask and talk first about the
synergy between the G League's Long Island Nets and the
Brooklyn Nets, because that's kind of stood out all season,
(04:44):
and we've talked about it, you know, I've written about
it for a couple of years now, Cam Thomas Dayreon,
Sharpneck Claxton, all of these real deal NBA contributors, Jalen
Wilson have spent a lot of time in Long Island,
and this season Tyree Smart and worked his way from
a two way to an NBA standard contract. Drew Timmy
was not on any two way deal, earned an NBA contract,
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Tosana Woma, Long Island picked him up. He's contributed in
some big ways, and Tyson Aten just making his debut.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What is it about, either what you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Know about Long Island specifically or the G League in
general that has made it such an effective farm system
for Brooklyn because it's a really unique, you know, part
of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
A really unique part of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And I'll go back to you know this, not to
take us too far back, but I hid this is
probably this was actually back when Directors nine to five
had won the G League title with Fred van Fleet,
Pascal Siakam. I'm trying to think who else was was
on that on that team, But nonetheless, you get the point.
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Those are years that time, a couple of seasons I
called the G League Finals and it was when they
were trying to get one to one with NBA teams
and so a prior year and Sioux Falls and obviously
the Miami Heat team in the connectivity between that group,
and you could tell that organizations were starting to latch
on the idea of this isn't just more of a
concept of the G League being a place that you're
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you're kind of pulling different players and it's it's more
of a showcase of players, but not necessarily the systems
that are feeding into the the pro team, the NBA team.
And I think from that we now continue to see
the growth, especially with Long Island, because I know, look,
as we're so tied to it, we see it, we
understand the coaching systematically, everything is in line, and you
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have an opportunity to have players get a full understanding,
whether it's during training camp, whether it's through the course
of the off season and then during the season doing
the things that they would potentially be doing with the
Brooklyn Nets club as well, and vice versa or you know,
the back and forth, and I think to just the
value that has been shown in so many different NBA players,
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and you can go down the list, you know, I
feel like Alex Caruso was a big one of that
early on, many others that it was no longer. It's
not a demotion going to the K League. It's not
a circumstance where you know, I've got to go. It's
an opportunity, and it's an opportunity to improve your value,
get some run, whatever the skill set is to then
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get set to have these type of opportunities. And so
I think more than ever you see that with the
Long Island Nets. Give a ton of credit to the
different coaching staffs and staffs that have been through there
and those obviously that have been in the front office
of the Long Island Nets. But fon Udophia like what
he has done with this group and the synergy between
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the coaching staffs. And I say all that to say
that so many of these players you have mentioned them
all that have played for the Nets, they talk so
much about what that time has meant. And so now
you see the jump of these players. And Jordi Fernandez
said in a recent press conference when speaking about and
whether it's you know, some of the time Jarik Whitehead
or now what you know we've seen just kind of
(08:03):
the flawless transition of Tyson Ntian or you know, obviously
Drew Timmy that he said, we know these guys, they
know our system, they know we're asking of them, we
know what to expect of them, and so it's not
some big Hey, we got to go back through the
whole playbook and realign everything that we're doing. And that's
been evident with how they're playing. And so that's a
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long winded way of saying I can't say enough good
things about what the g League is, specifically with the
Long Islands, but just overall the league in general, how
organizations use it, what it does for these players, and
how much it impacts the potential sustainability or longevity or
opportunities throughout the course of their career because they have
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that type of translatable experience.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Now, that was a great pull with the Fred van
Vliet Pascal Siakam Raptors nine oh five championship squad, and
I do feel you know, that was twenty seventeen. It
does feel like over the last little bit less than
a decade, the NBA has really leaned into the G
League as a development ground. Obviously changed from the D
League to the G League in that time. A lot
(09:10):
of NBA teams, if not all, have gone one to one,
you know, with their own G League team. And Drew
to me said it when he was called up. He
not only praised the coaching staff and you know how
hard that they've pushed him and the grind that the
G League is, but he said, I will say a
lot of faces are familiar to me coming into this.
(09:31):
I've never been to Barclays before, but I've seen a
bunch of people around and everything. The offense is similar,
so trying to learn everything real quick, that's been a
little easier. But most importantly, you see familiar faces around
and that also makes it comforting. So I think, especially
in a rebuilding sort of era for the NETS where
there's a lot of young talent, it's great that they're
(09:51):
not just quote unquote plucking guys off the street. There
is a synergy and it's helped guys like Tyrese, Martin,
Tosan and Awdrew, Timmy and just a big shout out
to the work that Muffan Udolphia has done. We cover
Long Island Nets at Nets Daily. I want to shout
out my guy, Scott Mitchell, who covers them, you know
as a b writer covering the team, but you know
(10:14):
the story of the Brooklyn Nets, and Geordi Fernandez has
said this over and over is not complete without talking
about the full club, the full organization, and that includes
Long Island, and I think it's very very appropriate to
shout them out. And now it's appropriate to dive into
the man of the week maybe in early Brooklyn's finest selection.
(10:38):
Drew Timmy, Timmy Time. Tommy Time is March March Madness legend.
He is the sixth most points in March Madness in
the tournament history, and his good fortunes in this month
have just continued. What have you seen from Drew Timmy,
who is averaging thirteen points and six boards over his
first three career NBA games.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
He does a little things like to me, it's just
the instincts and the feel of how to play, and
obviously you see in the production of points of rebounds,
craftiness around the basket, but him picking up some of
that loose change, him getting on the floor dive in
from these balls. All of those things matter. And when
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you go through an individual like that who have a
type of success he had through his collegiate career and
then doing what he did to earn this opportunity, like
he just to meek jumps off the page as a
winning player. Like you can't always categorize all the things.
You understand how he can play, you understand the fit
that he brings, his ability to facilitate in that in
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that big spot, but he just he just feels like
a winning player. And I think that's why you have
seen him have a lot of moments that really energized
what the team was doing or came in important times.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I say winning moments. Obviously in the game winning
play and.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That was a beautiful play in past by Tyree Smart
off of that circumstance, So give him a ton of
credit for creating that. But he's just he feels like
a guy you could just count on. You know, he's
going to be in the right places. You know, he's
gonna be trying to do the right things. He's not
always going to be perfect. You know, there's circumstances where
whether it's the size for quickness, you name, it may
come into play, but overall, he just gets it and
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he understands how to get things done. And that, to
me is a player that as a coach, you put
on the floor and you can trust what you're going
to get from.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's really interesting that the Nets have had these two
way guys. And I'm thinking of TOAs On here that, yeah,
that came into the NBA as really accomplished basketball. You know,
they have accomplished basketball careers. They have a pedigree. Drew,
Timmy and Toson were focal points of their really good
college teams, and so it almost feels different, you know where,
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for example, like a guy like Peyton Watson on the
Nuggets came off the bench at UCLA for one year
and I think his mindset probably he's a little different occasionally,
you know, maybe reluctant to shoot an open three. Obviously
I love Peyton Watson, but that's just a point of
reference to where Timmy and toss On, especially Timmy these
last few games, come in and want the ball, and
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they're not afraid and they're confident. They've been the best
player on the court in huge games in their basketball careers,
and I think that really shows with Timmy because when
he played made his NBA debut versus the Clippers and
then that game in Washington, he wants the ball. He
wants to show you what he can do, and that's
everywhere on the court. Like you can tell, he believes
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he can play at this level. And how about blocking
Anthony Davis in isolation last night? Yeah, obviously the defense
is going to be, you know, more of the question
mark because we know how offensively skilled he is. But
diving on the floor for a loose ball on that
end to ignite a fast break, blocking a d what
do you think he has to do to really solidify
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a solid NBA career for himself, because we know he's
going to play hard, we know he's going to try
to play to his strength. But what do you see
as you know, the key for him going forward?
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I think I think so much comes down to fit
and the role and how he fits within the context
of what a team is trying to do. And you know,
we talked about the skill set and what he brings
to the table, and that's why I don't know what
it looks like, but I think part of it is. Okay,
what is the compilation of the roster, of the line up,
the rotation, look around him and where does he fit
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in that he brings something to the table. Because the
thing that's where I think, I know the nets were
down the bigs and Noah Clowney and Dayron Sharp against
Dallas Cam Johnson not playing as well. So that's just
positional size across the board. But I think the compliments
of you have a player like Nick Claxton, like Dayron Sharp,
even a Noah Clowney, true to everyone's different and you've
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got a different skill set, strengths, weaknesses, and that brings
optionality for a coach to a lineup. And I think
what Timmy does, again we've talked about all the little
things he does, there's to me always a room on
a roster for that. And whether it's a guy that
ends up playing twenty five minutes a night or someone
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that's playing twelve minutes a night, he feels to me like,
whatever my opportunity is, I'm going to make the most
of it, whatever minutes I get. That could be variable changing,
you know, or very based on a nightly basis, based
on opponent or matchup or personnel. But he to me
is a guy that's okay, what do you need me
to do? This is what I can do, and I'm
going to figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
To get it done.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I think for Timmy, something that he's talked about is
an improving three point shot.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And I think sometimes that gets overstated in.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The NBA, like every big needs to shoot from the outside.
I don't know if that's totally true. There's a lot of,
you know, really good centers that don't really take outside shots.
The Nets kind of have two of them in Nick
and Dayron, though they've been expanding their range. But I
really do see him with the skill and kind of
the passing acumen to play from the top of the key,
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you know, handoffs, drive the ball a little, with that
kind of funky, unorthodox game. He had a play against
Washington where he caught the ball at the top of
the key against j T. Thor, who is a big,
strong guy, and methodically took the ball to the rim,
kind of turned it into a post up and scored
with his left hand. And so I think that three
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pointer is going to be big for him. You know,
obviously he's only taken a handful at the NBA level,
but the Nets did run an out of time outplay
for him to come off a flair screen against Dallas
and he nailed the three, So I think that shows
you that they believe in his three point shooting ability.
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
We've seen him impact winning. You know, we just talked
about the G League the Nets. The Long Island Nets
did not start this season very strongly. They were I
think four and sixteen if you include the preseason, the
tip off tournament going into the regular season, before Timmy
shows up, and then they have a winning record. They're
above five hundred with Timmy who averaged twenty four points
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a game in his twenty nine appearances. So he's not
just obviously about getting his own putting up stats. He's
about doing it the right way and trying to lead
his team to wins. Is there any play or moment
or skill that maybe surprised you stuck out? You know,
Timmy's a guy that we watched a lot because of
his career at Gonzaga, maybe more so than other fringe
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NBA guys. But is there anything that may be surprised
or you liked from his first three games?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
No, just every I think everything I've said and everything
we've said and we've talked about.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And I think you're right about the three point shot.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
However, I think his willingness to take it, the improvement
that he showed through the course of even this G
League season, that's a factor. And if you're just a
player who can somewhat be a threat from that area,
especially for how much Brooklyn wants to shoot three point shots.
But every team's going to have their scouting report, Every
team is gonna you know, their personnel of how they
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want to guard that with the player given whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
The efficiency of shooting that is.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But no, But I think everything everything that we've said,
and those are all positive things. But I think that's
a lot of what we had come to expect from him.
I think it was just can he do it at
this level? I think you saw that in a very
small sample size two games, but still two games of
which the Nets were able to come away with wins,
and he was an impact part of that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, And I'm just probably going to go down as
a good, a great moment. Towards the end of this
NET season, he and Jalen Wilson middle school teammates bet
in the fourth grade from Dallas, you know, get to
have great moments in a win over the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's the story of stuff you can't script. You know,
Jalen had a good week.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
We're going to get to him score a season ye
twenty points against Washington and then he closes out the
Dallas game at the free throw line with two swishes.
That's just a nice, you know, a great moment. And
obviously Timmy holding his own against one of the NBA's bigger.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
More athletic front lines.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That was really cool, and it I think really exemplified
a switch and what we talked about last week where
the Nets have been really.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Struggling to close out clutch games.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They have played the most clutch games in the NBA
within five points in the last five minutes since the
All Star Break. Prior to this week, they were three
and twelve in such games two and oh this one.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So what changed, man, I don't know, Lucas, if I
could put my finger on it. I think there's the
small things of just getting more comfort in those situations,
and that makes a difference. The more you're in those situations,
the more that you feel a level of freedom and
comfort with one another. I just felt like the quality
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some of the big issues, and especially those two bad
losses to Toronto and the Clippers, but even the first
half or moments when then it's got down in the
games against Washington or Dallas, it was turnovers and if
they're not you know, if they're not getting some of
those quality looks. Because there were stretches in Dallas, and
even when Dallas had extended their lead to eight points,
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I think that it was as large as ten, but
six seven, eight points a lot of it is still
came from Brooklyn getting some good looks, just not going through.
And I think all of these players are confident enough,
especially the end the games, we see it that as
long as they're getting those looks, was a great and
I'd say it was sitting, you know, court side, calling
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the game, watch and seeing their faces.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There was trust in each other, like you could see.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The build of chemistry. And whether it's Jalen or Tyresee,
you know, Drew Trendon Keia, like all of those got nick.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I want to leave anyone out because everyone.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Was a part of it. Like it just felt like
they were having fun. They're having fun playing for one another.
I'll bring this back to I think I said it
on the broadcast the shooter around in Dallas the morning
of that game. It was in Dallas's practice practice gym
within American Airlines Arena.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It was just it was really it felt like just
really special energy, Like.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
It was a good vibe. It was a good environment.
And it's not to say that it's not always like that.
And sometimes I don't know, sometimes I feel like it's
a smaller, more intimate gym. You could blast the music
they were going through stuff, But there was just a sharpness,
there was an excitement and there was something about it,
and that felt like they just really had something good
going and I think it translates at the end of
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games when you just have trust in one another and
when that continues to build. And so, yeah, there's points
of execution. It was getting stops. I think Dallas ended
up doing a lot of thing. You know, there was
a lot of moments from Dallas that kind of made
you scratch your head of ways in which to me,
it felt like they came out of a timeout with
about three to go and they got a nice lob
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play I think between Spencer din Winni and Daniel Dafford. Yeah,
and from that moment it felt like, Okay, now they're
gonna lock it down and they're gonna be more sharp.
But it felt like they just figured they would walk
away with that one. It felt like they there was
there was a sense from them like, oh, Okay, we've
got this back.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
We're gonna fiture out a few of the better team.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeahs like that.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And then that's just kept making plays and making shots
and you.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Don't come back from double digits in the fourth quarter
too often it was ninety four eighty four nets come back,
kind of go back and forth, that lob play happens,
then the same thing happens. I thought Brooklyn shot quality
was just way better down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And you know a lot of the clutch time stuff
hen be random. You have. It's very small sample size.
It's five minutes.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Sometimes you miss an open shot and the other team
makes a tough shot, not really indicative of how well
you played, quote unquote, but I thought Dallas what especially
was indicative of the quality of play between the two teams.
Brooklyn deserved to win that game. I thought they did
a lot of the little things well. Obviously shout out
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D'Angelo Russell for coming back in and commandeering the offense.
You know, he finds Nick Claxon on a great dive
to the rim on. Really the kind of the dagger
and all of that reminded me of a quote from
Jordi Fernandez.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I had to look it up.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This is preseason, we're talking and he talks about his
offensive philosphy, philosophy and sharing the ball, and it was reminded.
I was reminded of this because of the ten nets
that played against Dallas nine hit a three, Eight of
them hit multiple threes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
The ball was popping.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
They had thirty plus assists again, and he said in
the preseason, I really think that the ball has energy.
Everybody touches the ball, everybody's happier. I think that good energy.
We need to share that energy. So we've been playing
a certain way and that way is sharing the basketball,
being more unpredictable, harder to guard. And it's really cool
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that six months later, you know, he's talking about preseason
games there, six months later, that feels like the main
reason as to why they beat Dallas. You know, DiAngelo Russell,
I think at the end of shot clock kind of
had to commandeer some stuff, take over, play high, pick
and roll.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But for the most part, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
They get the ball to Nick Claxton, Drew Timmy at
the top of the key, handoffs, backcuts, everybody touches the ball.
And what did you make of their offensive strategy? Because
it felt like they knew they weren't going to out
muscle Dallas.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
In the paint.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Admitted to getting up forty to fifty three point shots.
They go twenty to fifty one. They all felt really good.
They felt like good looks from where I was sitting.
You know, I don't know if you talk to any
Dallas people or whatever, what makes the Nets offense harder
to guard when they can get those clean looks.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Because it felt like that was the reason they beat Dallas.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, I think that was it, and that's what I
was saying of just like the quality of looks. I
think there's a belief that those whill go through at
the end of the game. And I don't think there's
anything in particular. I think they just I think Dallas
in many cases was given a more room than you
would anticipate on three point shots. I don't think they
had expected the Nets to shoot that well or shoot
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that well on the clutch.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And to me, it was just the quickness of decision.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Making involved movement by Brooklyn And so you said it
like that's if they continue to move the basketball that way.
There's enough threats on the floor when they say stay
spaced and balanced that when they're hitting very very tough
to guard because they'll penetrate kicks so often.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It looks so good because.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
They're touching the paint, and whether that's through passing, whether
that's through dribble penetration, whatever, it is. They can create
those open looks, and they've got guys that can when
they get hot, like a Tyrese Martin some of those
big three point shots that he made again Keon Johnson
Jalen like, there are stretches that when those are going down,
you just you feel it and how they're moving. And
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I think obviously anytime you see shots go through gives
you a little bit more, a little bit more juice
on the defensive end.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And so I think you saw that go hand in.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Hand Brooklyn is taking this is the whole season now
the fifth most threes in the league and the third
most corner threes in the league. And you know, I
think a lot of the season they haven't had maybe
a like constant, aggressive downhill driver that can bully their
way to the rim.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And against Dallas, big.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Team, not switching a lot of you know, screens, plane drop,
that's what the Nets have been best against this season,
you know, handoff game, all that stuff you see, you know,
initiating from the top of the key. And they were
excellent getting into the paint playing off two feet and
so Dallas scores fifty six paint points and wins that
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battle by a lot, But because of Brooklyn's commitment, you know,
to spraying the ball around getting open looks. It never
felt I think, you know, on overcomeable. That's certainly not.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Right, but no, it felt like it was.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, in addition to, you know, how did their fight
on the defensive glass. They really held their own on
the glass against a much larger team. I'm sure you
were like getting feeling like you were getting bumps and
bruises sitting courtside.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, but they were. It was positional and like that's
what it came down to, was positional.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Everyone was moving in the word and it was not
pretty early on right, and especially when they were you know,
going through some of the zone and Dallas was get
in the middle of it. That's what happened in that
first meeting. But they were making shots and keeping up
with Dallas's shot making, and then they tighten things up
coming into the second half. But I think, you know,
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just in terms of they go throught, they are good
at blocking out, like they understood the importance of that.
And sometimes when you're playing a team that's that much
bigger than you, it's more front of mine and so
you know that this is the one thing that we
need to absolutely focus on and it makes you be
a little bit more just intentional on every single time
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a shot goes up. And I think we saw that
with them.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I would say I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
The asked the announcers question last night was I believe
it was what you look at on the stat sheet
or you know what is the most.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Most important stat And then I gave ten, you gave ten.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But they were all about the possession, you know, the action, rebounding,
the turnovers.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You got to get more shots up.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I would say a four to one assist to turnover
ratio is pretty good. Yeah, thirty two assists, yes, yes.
And if there's I guess one stat I would mention
from that Dallas game, it's that there are a lot
of strong individual performances this week, especially in the Washington
game where Jalen Wilson scores a season high twenty. Tyrese
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Martin just continues to be rock solid. He hit twenty
in the Washington game. I know we just talked a
lot about Drew Timmy and very deservedly so, so for
sort of a modified Brooklyn's Finest or whatever. Are there
any individual performances that you would like to shout out.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I know it's tough when everyone is touching the rock.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I just I just feel like everyone was so I
there was just such a complete effort, like you can
go through the Washington win even though we got hurt,
Like what Cam Johnson did, you know, to really help
them and will them and especially get into the line
and facilitating and creating so much. I think Keon Johnson
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has been solid in his confidence and obviously there's a
lot of areas to shore up D'Angelo Russell. To look
at him having eighteen and eleven and some of those games,
I mean he orchestrated things down the street. You asked
about what was the difference in closing out that game
in Dallas, And to me, a huge part of that, yes,
was all the shot making and the little things and
the ball movement every so much of that was also
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the composure that I think in many cases D'Angelo had shown.
Nick was great, Like I don't there's not one player
this I think we've touched on all of them. But
like that to me is the fun part of what
this group has done now at this point and what
we're going to watch them do. And even you know,
Tyson Tyson at the end getting an opportunity to come
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in if he was really like he gave a great
purse and you can just see with his energy on
the bench. I can go down the list, but that,
to me is the special part of what this group
is coming together and doing at this point in the season,
when it'd be very easy to just pack it in,
be count down the days, count down the games, and
be ready head off for the offseason. And that is
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the entire opposite of how they've shown up. And so
I think you just give them so much credit for
that type of professionalism that they've brought each and every night.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Their three lowest minute guys against Dallas were Tyree Martin
after he had a great start in Washington, Maxwell Lewis,
and Derek Whitehead. They score eleven points, eight points and
eight points respectively. So, just to illustrate your point about
top to bottom production.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
In those in you saying that, like to me, I specifically,
there was a couple of Tyree three point shots in
that fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That early fourth shifted.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
It felt like they.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Shifted the complexion of oh no, this isn't necessarily just
going to be a runaway here in the final quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Down ten points.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
As I said beginning of the fourth quarter, those are
the best heavy lineups typically in the NBA. You know,
started the second start of the fourth and Brooklyn winning
those minutes saved them in that game, and that I
think is a good note to sort of transition to
well befortreate.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
We got a little a few.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Injury updates, you know, Dayron Sharp with a knees brain
has been out set to be reevaluated this week. Noah
Clowney missed Sunday's game, as did Cam Johnson, so still
a lot of moving parts. D'Angelo Russell missed the Washington game,
then came back sort of in Cam Johnson's place, you know,
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veteran leading the offense again.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Shout out to those two guys.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Cam Johnson was just the engine of that comeback in Washington,
and d Lo was awesome against Dallas, so veteran presence.
So we'll see what's going on with the Nets over
this next week where they are at home. You only
have to go on the road one more time. Are
you going to uh Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I am, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
How does it feel to be almost done with travel?
I know you have other obligations.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Weird. I always feel this time the season, especially.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
That when we know that there is a a actual
date that it's going to finish, it always feels a
little a little weird.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I will be going to San Antonio this week.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
The only game I will not be doing will be
the Toronto home game on Sunday, So for the men's
Final four and for some CBS shows, I'll go to
the go.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
To the Final four in San Antonio.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
But yeah, but it's weird, and it's a back to
The Minnesota game is a second of it back to back,
so it's just a quick one off, it is.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
If he'd even call it that.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
So, yeah, it feels, you know, it feels it feels
like it's been a long year, but also it feels
like it flew by, it does. I think that's the
typical typical to feel at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
If you guys haven't been to a NETS game yet,
here's your chance. They have six more games left, five
of them are at home. Over this next week. They
got the Wolves, the Raptors on Sunday, as Sarah mentioned,
and the Pelicans. So that's what we'll be talking about
a week from now. But now it's time for some trivia.
By the way, I found this when I was looking
at the Raptors nine to five squad. You mentioned, uh,
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you know who's on that team too, not that this
is not the trivia. I'm sorry, Christian Watford, Trenton's older brother.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I don't know, you know, I felt that was
worth mentioning.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That is oh wow, Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And hey, Norm Powell was not on that team, but
he was on the next year's team and another player
that the Raptor's nine oh five produced. And so I
think the Nets have taken some of that mantle. They're
just churning out NBA quality rotation guys in Long Island.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That's not what our trivia is about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Our trivia has to be about Drew Timmy, uh you know,
or himmy as iron Eagle so delightfully exclaimed in Dallas
after he blocked a d How many Nets in franchise
history have recorded a double double in their debut as
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in their NBA debut, not in their Nets debut in
their NBA debut, as Drew Timmy did against Los Angeles Clippers.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I'll give you a hint. It's single digits.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
How many nets?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
How many nets?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Buck Williams?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh, wow, you're gonna name them? Yeah? Buck Williams is
on there. Wow, grate Pool.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Now, maybe I shouldn't start naming. I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna say, I'm going to give you five others.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's Drew Timmy became the fifth. Okay, so four others.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
But I'm trying, well, I try to buck.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Another.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
There's another famous no NBA debut, NBA debut, Oh, NBA debut.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
There's one more.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Renowned Nets big man from a little past that era
that is somewhat of a franchise. That is a franchise
legend that did it, that played in the early nineties.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I'm going to be very upset when I don't get
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is Derek Coleman is another? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Okay, okay, okay, DC Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Calvin Natt did it in nineteen seventy nine as and
one of my vivid memories as a childhood Nets fan
was Terrence Williams doing it in two thousand and nine
against Minnesota, and I feel like I can picture him
wearing those all red New Jersey Nets jerseys around that era.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So those are the four that's some good company.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It is it is you know, we got hey, no
disrect to Terrence and calvinat Derek Coleman and Buck Williams Man.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Those are NBA careers to strive. Yeah. Also Drew Timmy
great great quote, great quote. I should go look at
his press conferences.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
At a story I'm writing for nets Daily right now
that'll be out when this pod is released. But a
fun week in NETS world two and two, two great
victories on the road, and we hope that they can
continue that moment and when they come home this week.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Is there any partying words?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, just uh just let's let's keep keep rolling strong
here through the final stretch.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
The weather is turning. March weather is turning, weather turning.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Who you got? Who you got? Who? Who you have?
Winning for your final four? Talking March fandness in college.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I do four number one seeds is a bit much.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I'm very mad at everyone whose bracket is doing well
because I just think it's cowardly to pick four number
one seeds, and yet they were rewarded this year, so
I can't really hate too much.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I gotta go with Duke.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I just they're very good. They seem awesome. But really,
I wouldn't be surprising if anybody wins. I just think
Duke is an extremely rarely polished college team that is
awesome on offense and defense, and they got some major talent.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
But all four teams have been great. How about you?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could agree.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I got to see as I think I talked about
lest we Duke in Florida in colin those first two
round gags and radio. I saw Houston earlier, I've not
seen Auburn live. I Duke just impress me in such
a way, in such a way.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
They're so complete.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You said it, what they do at both ends of
the floor, their length, their size. Cooper Flag is the
real deal. John Shire I know from from back. He's
from North such yeah but so yeah, so he I
know very well.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
We go way way.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Way back, So I obviously want to see great things
for him.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
But no, but I really like Florida.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
But for as much as I if you would ask
me before the start of sernament, I would have picked Florida.
But after watching them and watching you know just kind
of how things have played out, more so not just
in the scores, but in in the performance. But Walter
Clayton Junior he's another Yeah, he's another impressive, impressive player,
So that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
There are some good and hope lay deems in this
Final four PAP. Maybe next time you can corroborate, we
can talk about Patrick Beverly's story of calling John Shire
White Mike, as he was apparently known in Chicago throughout
his high school career.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
For another day.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That's a story for another day. But thank you everyone listening.
We hope you enjoy the great weather. It's been happy
down the Northeast, the sunny days in New York City,
the Final four men's and women's. That's going to be
just a great next week of basketball, as it always
is throughout this time of year. We thank you very
(39:31):
much for listening to the Backcourt Podcast as always presented
by Ticketmaster. Thank you to them, Thank you to you
for listening, like subscribe, rate us all of that good stuff,
and we will see you next week.
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