Episode 231 "Sean Garrett"

Episode 231 - "The Baller Alert Show" Feat: Ferrari Simmons, Su Solo & You Know BT Produced by: Octavia March

Topics include: ICYM: LSU, Marques Houston, our exclusive interview with Sean Garrett: working with Beyonce, creating new Usher song Glu & more.

The Baller Alert Show

Featuring @FerrariSimmons @_SuSolo  @Youknowbt @iHandlebars 

":The Culture Deserves It"

IG: @balleralert

Twitter: @balleralert

Facebook: balleralertcom

 

Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Um borrow with me here. You know BT's so low,
shout out oct no color what we see O getting
rid the bula backing. You can't stand on the home
SUSI already you know he can't ball with me because
you have with the square to me they getting they
called to me balla. Welcome to the Battle Show. Podcasts

(00:26):
available everywhere you get your podcasts. I go by the
name of Ferrari Simmons. I go about now you know
BT with that man living legend in the building. Do
you do snapshir we do snaps the bold famous sea. Yeah,
it's up, sir. Welcome to the show man. We said snaps.
You don't you doing snaps? Man? Give me novation. A

(00:49):
lot of people don't know this, but I talked to
you all the time. We talked all the time. One
of my friends in the industry that I met in
the industry, but we talked about personal stuff all the time.
I appreciate you pulling up on us. Man. We go,
how you host a show with us? Then we will
getting your business? Okay, all right, here we go. What
do you guys thoughts on LSU, Angel Reese and Jill Biden.

(01:13):
The Jill Biden controversy. You guys know that LSU won
the we didn't know that ship for people who don't
know because it's a podcast and some people be in
Lala land. Um, Jill Biden, the uh, the wife of
the president, the first lady. She invited both teams to
go to the White House, and then of course one team,

(01:35):
one team one and that never happens. You never invite both.
It was like one h two to eighty five. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a really good game. I watched that game.
It was a good game. And that was my first
time ever watching a woman's basketball game. And for the record,
Caitlin Clark is a bad mother weather none time out.
He's bad. She's not a bad girl. I only watched

(01:55):
it for her. I shoot, she just shoot from the pardlt.
I don't know why they put the black verse the
white thing, but he's fired anyway. With Internet about that,
the Internet, I felt like the way it ended up
playing out the way it should have played out. Yeah, um,
you know LSU man shout out the LSU. Yeah yeah
they did. The ladies got down, um and Kaitlyn is

(02:15):
hard like she she should get down. And I think
that Caitlin actually calmed everything down. He did when when
she got an opportunity to um speak about it, Yeah,
speak about it. And man, I think she was real
professional sportsmanship, right, I think she did. Yeah. I don't
think she wanted to smoke though with what baby girl
facts facts the court, Yeah on the court by Kayla

(02:37):
got all the smoke. Listen. I don't think I don't
think that both teams should have been invited, you know. Fact,
I think LSU kind of looked at that as like
a slap in the face. And then and you know,
the only the thing that I hate most about the
Internet is the Internet and the media makes everything so racial.
It's like everything has to be black and white. It's like, hey,
I feel like that's never gonna stop. Keep in mind

(03:01):
because we saw it with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson UM,
and it's just I don't I haven't seen a female
rivalry like that in a long time. I can't even
remember one that was good for TV for me. For me,
that was the viral moment for female basketball, you know
what I mean? Like that, this is the moment I

(03:21):
think we all look back on and say, like this
was the turning for Remember what I'm saying, and I
feel like, well, it's it's about time that I want
to go on record to say I think it's about
time that the females start get pay Come on now. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. They got they gotta feel them,
they gotta feel them seats up. Though they feel they
feel well, I think they was the attention that it
was felt. Yeah, like they feel the seats up right.

(03:43):
But not only that, I feel like it's more than
enough ways for them to figure out how to, you know,
how to put put people in the seats. Um. I
think if they, you know, started to do more um
participation in advertising, you know what I'm saying, Um, you know,
commercializing it more, um, just bringing more light to it,
you know what I mean, Like girls be balling. Yeah,

(04:03):
I think I think they need more media coverage. I
think the media to speak more about because this is
probably the most I've ever seen a woman's basketball game
being being covered in the number showed like I believe
the whole game. I did too. Yeah, I've never even
watched a woman's basketball game. I watched the whole game
like I'm watching watching the NBA Finals. I'm like, I was,

(04:24):
Oh my God, I was one time for fly J's
my little homie. Remember she was on she was on
the Rap Game, she was on the Rap JD. She
now plays for LG and she has a recording deal
with rock Nation. Wow, big shout out to her. Yeah yeah,
all right, all right, right, all right, um, how'd your kids?
How'd your wife? No? Okay. Marcus Houston says he met

(04:46):
his wife when she was seventeen, but did not pursue
a relationship until she was eighteen. He is twenty years
older than her. Thoughts, y'all didn't know that. I knew that,
but go ahead. He met her at seventeen and did
not pursue it that she was eighteen. He's twenty years old. Yeah,
he talked to or anything. He wait until she was legal. League,

(05:07):
come one, who is believing that you met a young
lady at seventeen and you said, Hey, I'm gonna wait
twelve months and talk it. Take you on a day.
I think this stuff, Lisa, stop resurfacing because this happened before,
because I remember when he married her and they would
talk about the age gap and how how young she

(05:29):
was and nothing happened. So like, why are we continuing?
Like why are we continuingly talking about it if we're
not gonna say or do anything, you know you want
to people, go ahead, go ahead, I said, you want
to know why people keep talking about it because r
Kelly and Jail and they was high. They look at
that time they were sweeping another rug under the rug

(05:49):
and then it came back out again and they for years.
Car Malone, My thing is, I wouldn't get would I
would want more attention on things. Does this matter? I don't.
I'm not upset that this stuff keeps rehashing. We needed
to just to protect these women out here. What do
you think about this, Sean? I mean, I think what

(06:11):
do y'all y'all feel like? I mean, but do you
feel like do you feel like the women are like
who Who's whose fault? Do you think it is just
like the whoever's older, it's their fault? Whoever is the
mature dog? She's seventeen when he had his eye on

(06:31):
her and thirty seven a thirty seven year old man
should not be a mutual friend too. So some people
and that's a little sketchy because some people we were
talking with Gail be and the uh they do? What
does what does she call it um grooming? Yeah, some
people do the grooming thing, so that's kind of raises
a brow too. She turns eighteen, he turns thirty eight.

(06:55):
Still a twenty year gap. Ain't no twenty eight year
olds or thirty two year olds or not see this
as a red flag. Well, I think the mutual friend
was was the probably one of them that was helping
doing the grooming. You know what I'm saying, like, like,
I don't know, I believe with people adults, you know,
the age thing, the age the age yub don't don't

(07:17):
think eighteen is not an adults But he said seventeen.
I mean he probably really met her at fifteen, nineteen twenty.
It's like you have so much more things going on
around that those times frame mentally. But well they married now, right,
all right, says man. Code wives and baby mamas are

(07:37):
off limits. What are your thoughts? And do you agree
like baby mamas is off limits amongst friends meaning you know,
my baby mom, you shouldn't be here. I think he
was saying it as like an industry thing, like people
you know like you Yeah, yeah, I mean I me personally,

(07:58):
I probably would take that same it that same route.
I mean, respectfully, I don't think that I would if
I know somebody, Uh, the baby Mama's probably a little
bit of off limits. Yeah, it was a little bit.
I mean, what if the opportunity presents itself. Is she single?
That is true? I don't know if if it's somebody

(08:21):
that I'm cool with, like that, I'm cool with. Yeah,
I definitely, I'm probably not gonna now. I think if
I think the baby mama is off limits, if you
if you know the kid, you know what I'm saying,
like like, if you ain't got no relationship with the kid,
then it's like I don't think the baby Oh lord

(08:42):
who Future does definitely does no bout. I mean, ain't
got no choice but to know each other. I don't
know they don't have no choice. But I'm saying, prior
to him dating his baby mama, did he know that
was Oh, I don't know. I don't think. I don't
think Future and Batau ran around the same. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think that was in the same But is
that not like he said, Like we were just saying,

(09:02):
it's like an industry standard, like bro code. I'm guessing
man ain't nobody ain't nobody baby mama off limits. I
don't think yes, because the dollar reason why I say
wives are off limits because people people saying the same.
I think, I think people will kill you over their
baby mama too. Yeah, but they why like Brome is

(09:23):
definitely yeah, wife is off well, ex wife too, because
I'm sure that's what he means is because it's like, yeah,
because they got my ex wife because if his wife,
you know what, I don't care who's to me? I
don't care. So they not respectfully to the mother the
mothers of my kids, right, respectfully, I'm not tripping. Yeah,
we don't want to get you in trouble personally Ferrari Yeah,

(09:46):
right to my exes. I'm not tripping on any of that.
So that's what I'm saying. No, X happier relation is
off women, your baby mama limits, your ex wife not
off limits to my circle. Now you and my grooms
man still to my friends. Yeah, but industry people aren't
friends because I'm let's stop, let's stop not friends. Yeah,

(10:07):
but Garrett was was wrote somebody record and y'all not friends.
And the man baby Mama tried to give you that
thing you're gonna hear is off limits to me because
that's my That's that's what I mean, because I would
definitely take a personal I would take a personal if
like my friend, like if fou out, r if if
if foul out was to hit my my baby one

(10:30):
be like wheezy, what's happening? Like But yeah, like I mean,
I think, yeah, oh my god, oh yeah, no, you
know that's it's no man dreams, it's you know what

(10:51):
gonna talk about? Okay, Yeah, because I was ahead, it's
like on the court, on the court and on the
field better than now, I'm taking his head off. I'm like,
he's not he can't fuck with me. Okay, but can
we go? Can we go there? Yeah? All right, So
shout out to you in the dream, you guys is
like the first unofficial versus the first viral. You guys

(11:16):
were the first viral moment in the pandemic ye, which
turned into versus and all this stuff like that. I
think the viral moment came from Sean being kind of
tipsy or drunk or whatever you want. I actually, first
of all, I don't do nothing to roll, but but
now you know, I had went to the dentist. I
was at the dentist that day and I had two

(11:39):
root canals. So I was actually when I when I
when I got the call from Swiss, I was with
my man Bobby, and I was out of it in
his truck, you know what I'm saying. So when I
got the call, it was like, Yo, I don't even
know if I'm gonna really be able to do this Swiss,
and Swiss like, yo, I need you right, So it
was it was it was like the same night he

(11:59):
called you when you got online. It was yeah, it
was like an hour ye, like an hour away. Was
this like the verses or was it just like something
like well, it was like what was so crazy? When
people don't really understand I was actually holding my I
was actually holding my phone the entire time, right, So
it wasn't like it was set up. It was, you know,
this was the versus versus was you know what I'm saying,

(12:22):
was like, hey man, we're gonna have it a little battle,
you know, a little conversation. And this was like he
had told me like a week before. Should I forgot
about it? You know what I mean? And I definitely
when he when he called me and reminded me that day,
I was like, I am I am lit, you know
what I mean? I was he was late, but who
wants up with me? No? I was, oh yeah, but

(12:44):
I still yeah, I mean why when it got real,
it got real serious. And you know what really turned
it up was Swizzy put me on the cables and
was like, yo, bro, you ain't feeling this, Like I
gotta show you this commercial this So he sent me
the commercial and you know, because we both did like
little like little commercial to for the for the event,

(13:08):
and oh my god, he was just talking about, man,
I'm the culture and you're not the culture, and I'm
just like, what gas? Like, who is gassing you to
think that you? What are you talking about? What are
you talking like? So it just it just went from
you know, in my natural I'm already on ten to

(13:29):
come to you know, being on the field, and I mean,
you know, it's kind of like men men men's dream
have always had this um competitive nature. Yeah, we've always
been competitives. You know. He always wanted to occupy that house.
You know what I'm saying. Can can you go down
the list of your number one because I know you

(13:50):
know them Ushers? Yeah you wrote ushers. Yeah, Yer's goodies,
Sera's goodiesh Beyonce's check up on it, Fergie's London Bridge.
Did you do give me body too? Yep, give me body?
He did upgrade body. Yep, you did upgrade, you upgrade
you diva. Uh that's the shy soldiers lose my breath.

(14:13):
I mean, you got Beyonce records, but he got records too.
Ain't got these, but he got the newest ones. He
ain't got the bombs like these. Man, listen. So so
let's let's go, let's go, let's go, let's put let's
put his against even the latest album alone grand So
you're gonna tell me, so let's just keep it gangster.
You're gonna tell me which one of them records on
they're harder than ring the alarm Renaissance. We're talking about

(14:35):
blog we s my shit that that's classic forever. Yeah,
we're talking about records that you just got to perform.
Put a ring on it, Okay, classic forever. Okay, I
put up one of mine up, I put check up
on against that. Nah. It was nine weeks number one,
So what you say, number one? What's happening? Dream? You
gonna to come on here? Dream? It was cool, he Dream,

(15:00):
Let me let me do it more real quick, Hey, Dream,
we gotta have you on The Baller Show. Sean Garrets
on here talking smack. I'm talking and I'm talking, So
we need you to come back on here. We might
need to do an episode both of y'all, but that
would be I got more I got more hot one
hundred than ones and him about far period. Hey, So

(15:21):
I'm gonna let him come on here into enough crying.
What we're doing? What is we doing? We'll be right
back with more of The Baller Alert Show. Sean Garrett,
Where are you from? I'm from Atlanta from um and
you grew you grew here? Know. I moved to Europe

(15:42):
when I was fired, okay, um? And how what made
you get into music? Like? Was music something that that
was already in you? Like? How did you? Because you
know it's hard to become a number one hit writer.
So you know I was an artist and saw my
first record deal when I was fourteen. Um, I came
back to the States with who where do you? Who'd
you signed with Aerial BMG so in Europe and I

(16:05):
actually came back to the States to sign a new
deal here in America, um My deal fell through. I
was signing with Warner Um Warner that I worked for,
yep um and so um and so then man, my
mom came. My mom got sick and I and I'm
losing my mom to cancer. And so I moved back

(16:29):
to Atlanta, and you know, I started shopping um my
demo for a new artist deal. Uh. And so people
were like, yo, you were by Sean Garrett. Yeah. People
were like, yo, you really read some great songs, like
do you mind or would you mind writing songs for
other people? And I was like, I don't really do that.

(16:49):
Who asked you that? Just generally people were hearing. Yeah,
And it was like a lot of the songs that
I was that I wrote for myself, they were all different.
I've always had this perspective of, like, none of my records.
I never really wanted none of my records to sound
the same. So I could do a body of work
they would all go together, but they would they would

(17:12):
definitely be different. Like, you know, like it made sense
for me to do a year right on an album
like Confessions, because my perspective would be, let me do
something on this album that's going to be different, that's
going to be a standout outside of what everyone else
is doing, right, And so I never really even thought
writing songs, writing and producing songs for other people with

(17:34):
something that I really wanted to do. I never even
something I never even thought that I wanted to do.
And I actually was like totally against it until I
lost my mom. And you know, it was really like
a sort of a wake up call of just like
realizing that, you know, life is short and she should
always say, like, you know, you should put all your

(17:56):
eggs in basket, in one basket. So I ended up
doing a wishing deal with Hitco. I mean lad publishing company.
UM original Hitco, the original one, Yeah, the original one. UM.
And right before then, I started getting a lot of
UM offers from different publishing companies. So I was like, damn,

(18:16):
they really want to pay me this much money to write?
Did you have a hit record for them to reach
out to you like that or No. It was just
like in our community, like in Atlanta, you know what
I mean. It's like, you know, you had you had Hitco,
you know, you had Sony, you got all these different
publishing companies. That's right in our area, you know what
I'm saying. So heard your stuff was circulating around. Yeah,

(18:36):
it was kind of circulating around, and there was different people.
And I actually ended up doing my deal with hitco
Um God Rest his Soul with Shakier Stewart and Billy Callaway.
So Billy Callaway was throwing these um Billy Callaway was
doing these bowling leagues, the Entertainment Bowling League, so the
Entertainment Bowling League. Everyone would be there, right, and so

(18:58):
it was just all of the play is that was
actually in Atlanta, Man, you had plugged in. Chris hicks
Um was actually the president of Warner Chapel at the time,
and then he also had Noontime. They also had Noontime,
so neon Time was a whole production company. And then
you got the dreams uh and Tricky they were all

(19:18):
at what's the name, what's the name of their uh
the click Uh damn, I forget the name of the click,
but that was a whole click um. So you had
like different section sectors of you know. B Cox was
signed too, if I'm not mistaken, he was signed the
Noontime John toy Austin was signed the Noontime UM. Jazz
Fabe was signed a Noontime UM so you know you

(19:39):
like that young click. I wasn't in the click just
like people just liked the songs, you know what I'm saying.
And so I ended up doing my deal a HITCO
and and the crazy part was like, as an artist,
I was an outsiders. As a publisher, that was my publisher, right.
So as a producer and a songwriter, I was working there, right,
I was signed there, and so um, my first opportunity

(20:03):
to get it get in the game was UM working
on Ushers. Yeah, I was working on was trying to
get on Confessions, UM, and that was one that you
were trying to get on there. So I was trying
to get on there because it wasn't um, it wasn't easy,
and it was like that you know, La had called me.
It was like what you're gonna do? Kid? Like, you know,
Confessions album is about to close. So I looked at

(20:24):
that opportunity as man, if I if I can get
on this album, this could be the start of something
and I can get I can get in and get
out of here, you know what I'm saying. Because my
whole perspective was like I wanted to get in and
get out. I really wanted to if I was gonna
do this, I really wanted to do it. I wanted
to do it at the highest level. So UM, I

(20:45):
ended up doing my UM doing my deal there UM
and so the quickest way I felt like I was
gonna be able to because at the time everybody was
real clickish, so I wasn't in the click to be
very honest, you know what I mean. J d Um
shout out to J d Um, Brian Michael Cox, a

(21:06):
lot of these guys, man, they were already implemented in
the systems right and so I'm an outsider UM at
the time. Also, Pouvier was signed to Hitco um My
man Zeke who now uh is president for um Epic.
He was a songwriter, he worked, I mean he was
signed to Hicco as well. Um Tab Tab was over

(21:31):
uh No, I think Tab was signed a Hitco too,
but he was a part of Tricky and Dreams crew.
So to be honest, man, it was like they all
thought all my records were completely They were like, who's
this new guy? Man? His song was a whack like,
so people thought your songs weren't good or they was
just hating on you. I don't know what it was. Man.
But you know, you know, I was an athlete. I'm

(21:53):
an athlete, Bob Bob. I played football, basketball, baseball, like
I played every sport. So I'm I've always been real competitive,
always been like really in shape. So wrong business. Yeah,
I was just with competing. It didn't matter, you know
what I'm saying. My question to you is, how did
Usher get Yeah? This was your first big one? Yeah?

(22:14):
This was my second song. Actually ever, what was your
first hit? My first? But USh, Yeah it was my
first hit. My first song out was latifs I Don't
Want to Hurt You. That was my ship, you know
what I'm saying. Um from my slow jam playlist. Yeah,
so like that's crazy so um And I actually really

(22:34):
loved that song, Like I thought that was I thought
that song was gonna go. Then he did a video
in the rain and yeah, yeah, I didn't very about
to do a video in the rain. I was like
the first but go ahead in the car? How did
they say? Yes? How did you get in the door? Well,
I mean I had. Um. I got a shout out
to Antonio Junior as well La Ree's son. Okay, Tonio,
that's my boy, my guy Junior. Um, So you know

(22:59):
working over there. Um, that was my perspective. I was like,
we ship, the only way I'm gonna be able to
get on this album is I'm gonna have to do
something really different and I'm gonna do something that's completely
far to the left, or they ain't gonna fuck with it,
you know what I'm saying. So I, um, I wanted
I wanted some of those little John beats. I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna do one of Michael Jackson song.
I'm I'm gonna create a Michael Jackson record on a

(23:19):
on a little John beat. And cast thought I was crazy,
you know what I'm saying. It was just like, um,
they all they all thought that. I don't know if
they was hating or what, but they all thought that
was talking as if my records were just like it
was just it just wasn't good because they didn't sound
like theirs, and I thought that shit was amazing. Or

(23:42):
they might didn't want you to get through the door. Yeah,
if you do listen to The Confession's album, that's the
only song that sticks out, you know. And I had
like this style of like you know, I had like
a I have an unorthodox style of writing songs, you
know what I mean. It's like it's like I really
I really try to do things creatively to a point where, um,
it makes you it it's so uh it makes it

(24:06):
makes the consumer love it from not just a melodic perspective,
but a style, right, And so I always create songs
that have a style that that's sort of like that.
I knew it not only was a good song, but
it made the artists look cool. It made him feel cool.
Like if you think about like Chris Brown's running or
give Me That or Ain't No Way or wall to wall, Um,

(24:31):
those are all that's That's like, that's like Chris's signature.
Female Like that's still Chris today. You know what I'm saying,
He's still that he uh says the words and and
does the runs and stuff. I know what you're saying.
I'm saying, there were you there with Usher with Chris Brown. Yeah,
that's another thing that's a part of my gift is

(24:51):
like I'm really really good at producing vocals and creating
there with the artists. Yeah, like like we did like
we did be there in like two and a half
weeks the whole album. You know what I'm saying on
that album, um, ring the Alarm Upgrade, you M Get
Me Body green Light with Pharrell, Um, that was a

(25:12):
dope album. Um, how was it working with her? Like,
I know she likes to write a lot of her stuff.
Did did you write it in she assisted or changed
words in the booth? Or how does that work with
Beyonce at the time? M Beyonce's Beyonce's like, well, first
of all, everybody knows she's really really private, right, and
so she don't really like people like knowing her business.

(25:34):
But to be very honest, like, she's like one of
the one of my favorite people to work with because
she's extremely smart. Right. Um, I don't know if y'all
got a chance to listen to a knife wonder kind
of explained the story on like when I was doing
Recause like girl or is she the reason why the
first record I did for the Girls it was definitely

(25:55):
child is? Um? Is she the reason girl? T shirt?
I'm Through with Love? Why are you going? You know?
Soldier lose my breath? Bee was like at that time,
she was like she wanted the best right and so
she would just you know, she had these rooms set
up at Sony and she would give us all like
it was only like God rest his soul. But Lashan

(26:16):
Daniels and Rottney that was one team. It was me
and I was actually working with um My Man Swiss
Swiss Beach, and I was also working with Pharrell, and
then I was working with I think I brought in
a couple of other tracks as well. But a lot
of times Bee let me do, she let me do

(26:38):
when I got around her, I was trying to give
her the craziest shit possible. So I would come with
ideas shit before she wouldn't come to the studio a
lot of times, you know what I mean, Because I
was so excited to work with her, And that's why
I feel like, you know, pound for pound today, I'm
still one of the best songwriter producers for Beyonce period

(26:58):
because I feel like she and I really work well together,
Like in reference to like communicating, like she'll just say hey,
She'll say, Sean, I'm feeling this way today, or I
want to do this, or i want to do that.
I'll take that perspective and go make a record and
come take it back and then like you just leave
her with it and then she does her thing or

(27:19):
are you in there vocal coaching her or anything like that,
or does she just she takes the demos and then
the reference and then go do her thing. And that's time,
like I would do a demo, like anytimes I do records,
I'll do the demo, you know what I'm saying. And
so then she'll, oh, I might just do the chorus
and then finish the song up. You know what I'm saying.
She might cut the chorus and see how she feels

(27:41):
about it. And a lot of times it was just
we was it just every song was just going crazy,
you know what I'm saying. And it was like I
would make this, I would create the ship like right
there in front of her to the point where she
would love it, and she would cut you know what
I'm saying. And it's just it was. And she was
then going in another room. So she so she like
five rooms going so I think at the time also

(28:03):
there was um uh she was Solange was there, her cousin,
um Angie was there, or Bay. So these are production rooms,
studio studio studios. They'll runt out of studio and they're
having different separate um separate, separate studio rooms. They would

(28:25):
have like a group of people working in one room,
like maybe me a songwriter, producer, and and a tract producer.
Yeah it's the same. Yeah, it's the same thing. They've
been doing the same thing for years because most people
don't know that there's other writers as well. Yeah, there
will be other people in the in the rooms and
it'll be it. That's why it's so competitive, you know
what I'm saying, and say this song sucks, We're about

(28:47):
to go Sean Gear. Yeah, like a lot of times,
and that's where some of the that's where some of
the um I guess some of the um hate comes
from sometimes because at the end of the day, it's
not like I'm in there dissing or or hating on somebody.
It's just like, shit, they're gonna go with the best
song her record, you know what I mean? Now, Yeah,
you know what I mean. So it wasn't like like

(29:08):
like you know, like anybody that know me and shit,
like I'm just I'm a real nigga, Like I'm like,
I'm cool, Like I don't I don't really got no
problems with nobody, you know what I'm saying, unless there's
a problem, and then there's a problem. I have a
question recording and at the end of the day, before
we get off of the songwriter thing, it's about it's
about who gets the most on the record right on. Yeah,
it's like, well it's it's really about the songs, you

(29:31):
know what I'm saying. At the end of the day,
that's that's the part that's today. I feel like people
compromise and they end up having to pay for it later.
Like it's like, you need the best fucking song to
sell your product. But that's why she has so many
people around her so she can pick from the best.
That's hard too, you know what I'm saying, because it's
like you can have a lot of people in the room.

(29:53):
Like I never like to work. I never liked to
work like that because for me, it's like I'm more
so paying attention to what whomever it is that's driving.
If Beyonce's driving, I'm paying attention to what Beyonce. He's
talking about her process. Yeah, I ain't got shit to
do with I'm not focused on anything else because anything
else is gonna take me off of what I came

(30:14):
to do, you know what I'm saying, And I'm focused
on where she's where she's coming from and and and
being it's it's about you being smart enough to understand
how to take this ship to the next level. Understanding
the job. Yeah, she's the job and you're gonna work
according to her process. So it's like the way they're
doing it now, it's crazy, like they be having like

(30:35):
six seven eight people writing on a song. That shit
is crazy. And a lot of these songs that's coming
out of y'all can tell like the songs ain't really crazy.
I've been music is not as good as because yeah,
because it's all over the place. But to your point, though,
and I do miss how the old process were, where
it's like a Jimmy Jammt Terry Lewis spending time with

(30:56):
their talent, a Janet Jackson getting to know her and
then create something for her, like a whole sound for her. Yeah,
and um, you know, I feel like that's missing. How
important is it for the artist to have the right producer? Important?
Like it's important. You got to think about it like this, right,
Like I look at the consumer, like I really respect

(31:18):
the consumer. I like that's the end goal. It's almost
like like Nike selling sneakers, Nike packages, their shoes properly.
It's the box, it's the paper, it's the way the
shoe look, it's the color. It's everything, right, that's the
presentation is everything. The product is everything. So the fans
at the end of the day, UM, that to me,

(31:39):
I feel like that's the reason why you know, people
will pay for your ticket when your music is incredible,
Like the reason why Taylor Swift sells out the way
she does because her music, her fans already know she's
going to deliver an incredible project, right, And that consistency,
that's a problem with us because when you're in assistant,

(32:00):
what does consumer thing? Shit? Last time I went to
go buy this damn last time I went to the
grocery store over at the Walmart, the damn the meat
was spoiled. But why is that though? Why why does
why does um with the you know, with our side
of the music business. Um, I look at like the
country singers and stuff like that, they always have the
same producers, like Corners Bro. It's like, you know, it's

(32:22):
you know, it's that's it's us, you know what I mean?
Like we always think we can get shit cheaper. We
always think we can you know, what I mean. Uh,
you know, it's like Gibson was talking about, it's like
you think you can, like you really think the people
that really do this shit, they really are amazing at it.
Like I really do this music shit. You know what
I'm saying. And I'm very thorough about it. You know
what I'm saying. And I'm gonna do amazing songs no

(32:44):
matter what. I'm not just a songwriter. I'm a songwriter,
producer and singer and artist and creative. Who needs to
call you back? Y'all know who need to call me back?
You know? Nah? Man? Look, man, think about to call
you back then, y'all hear who need to call you back? Hey? Man,

(33:10):
y'all heard the new Glue? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Um, look,
I'm just I'm just excited still about doing amazing music. Man.
That new Usher song? Is that new Usher song is crazy?
Is it? It's called Glue? You heard it? Yeah? I
know what you're talking about now, But just for the audience, Yeah, okay,
you're good. Questions in the comments, boy, but that song

(33:34):
is great? Um, how was it working with Usher for
this for Glue? I mean it was really amazing actually,
because um, one Usher is like one of the hardest
working UM artists. He gonna work his tail off, He's
gonna he's gonna challenge yourself. I really wanted to challenge
him on his vocals. Yeah, because he he's back in
that false subtle range is giving me Maxwell or something. Man.

(33:55):
I thought. I thought, I was like, man, that sound
like Prince. Yeah, Like I'm like, like, no, shout out
to Prince Man, and like Prince is like unbelievable, Like
it definitely is the inspiration of that spirit of him
um DeAngelo Um. I just wanted to help Usher. Well
one I got I got annoyed by the idea of

(34:17):
UM and what this is one thing I don't really
like about our community. Man, It's like we're always putting
each other down or we're never giving um our people
man the respect that we deserve. Like you know in
the country, in the country sectors or the pop world,
you know, they always got the same respect for their
for their for their artists, and they show it on stage.

(34:40):
Artists think the producers and songwriters that help they bringing
them on stage. And for some reason it's like I
don't know why we feel like we can't thank somebody
like you can't thank the person that really bust they
asked to help you shine. I always say the real
the real stars of the songwriters and the producers. Yeah. Man,
it's like I I but but don't get me wrong.

(35:02):
Back to Usher. Usher works his ass off, Beyonce works
her ass off, like so's Chris Brown works his ass off.
You know he's wanted. I love him, man, I love
Chris too. Um. And it's like when it comes to
working with each other, it's we're all using our talent

(35:23):
to get to get to one place, and that is
the scoreboard, that is to win, right or number ones,
you know what I'm saying. And it's like it's a
combination of us helping each other, using our talents in
different ways. Right to be creative, because sometimes it's like
you know what, um, you know, uh, the ideas like

(35:44):
when an artist does one cycle with an album, the
next cycle is a completely different cycle, right, but you
also still want to keep that level of uh, that
level of greatness. You still want to keep that shit
up there, you know what I'm saying. Speaking of that,
and you go, like you just said, from how the

(36:05):
old album was to like the newer sound summer Walker Project. Um,
what was your thoughts on the performance of that and
the reception of the second album versus the first The
first single was a little bit different, and that was
on purpose, right because if now, if you look at
we were trying to do, you see what scissors at now? Yeah,
you see what's going on. Yeah, that's where I want

(36:25):
to get to. People don't understand, you know what I'm saying,
Like we were trying to get Summer in that space
of the world, right because she had already been you know,
you got to keep involving, you know, the urban side.
So we need we needed to cross, right, because if
you don't cross, then you stay in the space and
it becomes to it a lot of times you started

(36:48):
to climb, you hit that ceiling, hit right, and so
that was just expertise of trying to get her to
that level. But the problem is ready. Well I don't
know if fans are ready, but sometimes it's the way
you play it right. It's like like everything works in
a law, Like the law of it is the star

(37:09):
is the person that knows. That's why they a star.
The star is giving the world what the world what
the star wants to give the world. Right, and so
the world has to wait and deservingly and respectfully allowing
the artists to roll out their project. Right. And so
when you got if you put yourself in a position

(37:30):
where you're allowing people to not even let you roll
your shit out properly, then it makes you nervous. Give
an example. Yeah, some some artists don't stand behind their music, right,
they don't. If they they'll get nervous if they get
some sort of uh, if it seems like like a

(37:51):
bad comment, if it seems like people get bad comments
and stuff like that. You got to keep in mind,
this whole comment thing, this whole idea of likes and dislike,
has just came about in the last five years, right,
So now we have allowed ourselves to lose our strength
and being confident in our decisions of what we're putting

(38:14):
out there, right, And so now it's causing it's causing
artists to not necessarily have the strength that they have before,
because it's like they're hesitating. You're hesitating, you're worried about
somebody you know, commenting on some shit that ain't got
shit to do it really what you're doing, right, And
so the idea is just and nothing's perfect, man, nothing's easy. Um,

(38:37):
it ain't always gonna be perfect, but you gotta, you know,
you gotta. That's the whole point of us having each other,
man and trying to trying to push forward, trying to
um elevate UM. And I love Summer and I had
an amazing time working with her, and she was in
and to be very honest, man, but people don't realize
that she was pregnant the entire damnity, the entire time
of recording her album, all the way up until the

(38:59):
days she had her child. Oh wow, you know what
I'm saying. So shout out to shout out to Summer.
It was a dope album too. I really like that album.
And you know in shouts the Summer man like Summers.
I'm just I'm just uh I really, I really enjoyed
working with her, Like, well, you be on the next
project because I know she's dropping an EP soon. Well

(39:20):
this EP she do this EP she's putting out. That's
her thing, like her relationship she got with her labels.
Like when it comes to her albums, like everybody works
on that, but but that's when it's her project, you know,
her um, when it's her ep that's that summer thing,
you know what I'm saying. So you don't have any
records on that. Nah. So she so she's writing on
that and yeah, she summer got a pin like she

(39:43):
she writes on all the shit I'm saying, But this
particular thing, it's almost like her brain child, you know what.
I'm just like personal for her. Yeah, it's a real
personal So you know, respectfully, man, I think it's also
important to let people get their shit out too. Yeah,
and then when it's when it's time to get them
his they call you. Yeah. I mean I have a
thanks bro, I have a niche, and my niche is

(40:06):
just trying to do number one records man, like you know,
and sometimes it's not, uh, my perspective is not necessarily
Sometimes a hit record is not the most emotional record. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying it. You know, some records

(40:26):
are to build base, you understand, or stretch your your
market out. Like yeah, I don't. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. It's like you know, and and and and
everybody doesn't really understand that, you know what I'm saying.
To the point, if you know, so, I can't beat
all things to everybody. And that's why I have to understand.
It's like, Okay, if an artist is like I've given

(40:47):
so much of myself to the world. I've given myself
to the industry. I've given myself to all these artists,
you know what I'm saying. What about yourself? Though? Uh?
You know, have you reached the heights of success as
an art is that you want? Or have you done
that yet? Nah? I think I think that's the beautiful
thing about life, right. It's like, um, like I'm working

(41:10):
on my album now and it's like, you know, I'm
gonna tour like internationally and stuff like that. That's a
good thing about like working on your own shit. It's
like you can go and you can tour and you
can do shows, you know what I'm saying, And you can. Um,
being an artist is completely different than being a hit maker,
you know what I'm saying. And I can't lie sometimes. Um,

(41:33):
I enjoy it so much. I enjoy giving of myself.
I really do. Like some people don't some people really
have a person? Is that hard though? Like when you
got when you got a record that you're like, man,
this is a hit record, and then you got us
or somebody like, hey, man, come on, let me get
that record. Yeah, I mean for me, man, Nah, you've

(41:54):
never done that before, Like I want to save it. Yeah,
I've I've known that record at get this one away.
This is mine. You know what's crazy, Like Mario's breakup
was like that. My breakup was my record was huh yeah, yeah,
so that wasn't your record, now that was my It
was my record, but then I ended up because you're

(42:16):
on the hook, but album, I'm on the whole record. Yeah,
so I thought it was your record. But so what
happened was at the time Mario had Aum Mario's manager. Um,
like Mario was in a place man where he really
needed to hit something, and so it was like, you know,
his manager was like, man, Sean, whatever, what do I

(42:37):
gotta do to get I said, dam, I had already
told you, bro, like I ain't played the ship for
you for somebody else. Um, but anyway, um, you know
again man, that's just me giving them myself. I was like,
you know, I'll share this record with you. You know
what I'm saying. Um, that's dope, you know what I'm saying.
So and that's the part sometimes that you know artists forget.

(42:58):
It's like, man, I I did this for my heart. Yeah,
I didn't have to do that. You know what I'm saying,
Like I didn't have to. I have to share this
with you, bro, like I purposely said, Yo, I'm gonna
share this with you. I put my own money. I
spent my own money at radio, you know what I'm
saying to get it going. I remember it was on
radio everyone. Yeah, it was on radio crazy. The pds

(43:19):
was like a couple of ps, like I don't know
about this one, and I knew it was I knew
it was crazy because I knew it was different. Speaking
of smash record, it definitely blew up at the verses.
Did you see the verses? I know you did. Did
I see the Marian versus Mario? I love a Marian,
but I knew Mario can eat with them vocals, but

(43:40):
I didn't think honestly, I thought like with O versus. Yeah,
a lot of people was on Mario side because when
I seen the verses, I said, man O, Mario got
the records. He about the smoke Mario. And then when
I watched it, I was like, I love a Marian,
but I'm telling that Mario and you know what the
great single about Mario Yo. It was funny because it

(44:01):
was almost like I saw Mario setting him up, you
know what I mean, he was sting at the end
of everyone. He wouldn't go acapella and just sing him
under the table, you know what. He went back to
his you know, the crazy shit. Mario went back to
his um. He went back to his first album and
um uh I love you. I would never yeah, like

(44:33):
he got some songs or that, or he got U
or he got uh he got braid my hair or
I love that song. He has some but he killed him.
He killed him with the vocals though. That's why I
was like killed. I was like, but he was on
his b more ship too because when he got the
talking shit, Yeah, I was like, oh he had all

(44:54):
the licenses. We didn't. I just felt like we didn't
expect that. I think a lot of I expected that
from am Arion. I have to ask you a question.
Though we've been talking, we've been talking about everything, guys,
I Tavia BT asked you all these questions, you know,
I want to ask you. We'll be right back with
more of the baller alert y'all. Where the hell is

(45:16):
the money at Let me explain where you're writing records
for people? How do you know or how do you
bank on getting paid? Where do you get paid? How
do you get paid? Because now you know, I'm you know,
your normal person. Thing you didn't did usher? Yeah, you're
a millionaire overnight. Yes. No, I'm gonna say this because

(45:37):
it gets political, right, so I'm gonna have to be
all shit, No, but I'm not gonna be political. But
but the reason why I said it like that is
because I'm on this platform that's the music business, and
it's so many different ways. It's almost like trying to
explain to somebody how this building. Uh so, dumb it down.
If you got a number one record, what does what

(45:59):
does the money look like? All of these different people
make money from the source, which is the song, right,
and it becomes a situation of how that song is
going to be divvied up in reference to how it
makes money one, how it busts how do how do

(46:20):
you bust the money down? From one song, two songs,
three songs, four songs, an album, a package? Right, And
so those those different um, those different components really matter.
So when people try to tell you to break the
ship down or to hurry up and tell you. There's

(46:41):
no hurry up way of telling you that, because because
you'll come back later and be pissed that you miss something.
And that's what's wrong. That's the tough part about our
generation right now. It's like our generation don't communicate, We
don't like to talk. And that's the worst thing you
can do because when you you get these were talking
about Manny talking too much. Yeah, because I know a

(47:03):
lot of shit. You know what I'm saying, and I
know what to do, and I know what not to do,
so I know what to ask for and I know
what not to ask for. So when I come into
a situation like number one, I'm a producer. I am
a producer first period. So you produced to be No. See,
that's the misunderstanding producing producer does not make all the time.

(47:26):
Producer puts the fu song together, create the song like
that's so instantly. I'm already if I write the song,
I've already owned fit center to copyright. That's what did
he said? If I talk on a song is mine,
I'll produced it. Yeah, I don't know, well I'm saying
if I'm talking a song it's mine to politics, you

(47:47):
know what I'm saying. So I see what's what's green?
Or one person is read to another, you know what
I'm saying. Depending on your strength, your status, and your
ability to hold your own, you know what I'm saying.
So if I I was never I was never able
to get like tossed around like that because I actually
did the songs. You know what I'm saying, Like, you're

(48:08):
not nobody, e't inna come and handle me like that
like I did, Loving you no more for Diddy, loving you,
you know what I mean? Um, and I love didd
He shout out to Diddy. Um. But everybody got their own,
like the way Diddy came in the game it as
a producer, but he produces the way he produces because
he had the leverage to produce the way he produces.

(48:33):
Just to give a little more context and to break
it down in black and white for our audience, for
you know, the song is one hundred percent, fifty percent
goes to the songwriter, correct, and then fifty goes to
the producer. Right, But here's a yeah, and then they
did that up on their ends. If you got well,
sometimes people breaking sometimes people yeah, Well, sometimes that's kind

(48:56):
of the same thing. Fifth percent as the writer side.
Other fifty is the track side or the music side.
The music side. Yeah, but to add to that, a
person might come and do some drums, and then another person.
You might have another person that come and play keys,
and then you might have another person that comes and
and uh programs uh rhythm right, an arranger, you know

(49:24):
what I mean, Like I arrange, our produce, I write.
So it's different ways that it's broken down. Sometimes like
in uh uh in the country music they um they
break it down. On the pop side, they just break
it down a third third, you know what I'm saying, Like,
we don't do it that way. We do it a
little different, right, and sometimes it hurts the person who's

(49:46):
actually doing most of the work, you know what I'm saying.
So it depends. That's it depends like on who you're
working with and how you want to work with them, right,
And so if you don't know those different things, a
lot of times what was happening is that people would
come in and they would be working and they don't
talk discuss no business. And that's how you come in.
That's how you have all of these split disputes, and

(50:08):
so that's how people get sued for a record when
someone says, you know, this person, what does that mean?
When people you see all the time, when people say,
well this person stole my record or you know they
stole my beat, how does that happen? I give you
a prime example. Right, So, so I got I'm not
gonna mention on names, but this is some This is

(50:30):
the first my first lesson I learned in the music
business that was that really pissed me off, and I
ended up probably losing I don't know. That person ended
up making over time from Yeah, probably like five million dollars. Right,
So I had somebody to engineer my session, right, and

(50:50):
that person was a songwriter. But that person didn't write
a fucking lick on this song on Yeah. But because
that person was a songwriter, and at the time, the
guys that the company wanted everyone to participate from the
company because it made the company look bigger, they ended
up convincing me because I was new, to give this

(51:12):
person four percent of Yeah, what I'm saying. And I
was fucking pissed later because I was like, y'all just
sucked me over. When you learn you know what I'm saying,
you learn, and so that was all I needed to
ever learn, and that was the reason why. So sometimes

(51:33):
people tend to think like, oh, you know, well, this
person is like um, like I've always had. Sometimes I
get this stigma that I don't know why I got
this stigma. It was like, like I was telling y'all before,
it was like, I don't do not to go do
my job. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes people hate
on you, but it's like, I don't know why y'all
hating this shit because I don't I've never had a

(51:53):
confrontation with somebody or or wouldn't stole something from someone
that took some I've worked by my damn self, or
I collaborate with a track I might work with Ninth One,
that I may work with Swiss Beasts, i might work
with Champ. I've worked with so many different people to
help make so many different people money, you know what
I'm saying. In this business, that's why I get a
lot of love, But at the same time, you're gonna
get hate because success just breathes that right. But to

(52:16):
simplify things, the reason why I've never been in no
issues like that because I always do the ship by myself. Yeah.
I was just about to say that that's probably why
you don't like a bunch of people in the studio
because when I try to collaborate, that's exactly right, bro.
So it's like when you try to collaborate with people,
the ship gets messy and messy. So it's a hit
kid Glow really happened though he knew about himself. Yeah, yeah,

(52:42):
he do everything by myself. The money is on a
number one record, a hot one hundred number one record.
That's why when you ever you hear me say I
got eighteen hot one hundred number ones. Anybody that knows
what the hot one hundred chart at the chart? I
want to be on what do you understand what that is?
But if you don't know, you don't know. And a

(53:05):
lot of these kids is doing music. A lot of
these people that's managing people. It's managers that don't understand
what I'm saying. So on your new podcast that you
have coming soon, but you be discussing more in depth
of what you mean. Yeah, I will, I will. That's
why you over here being political. Do you have a
name for the podcast yet? Yeah? Um no, but I

(53:26):
will I will be I will, I will be UM.
I will be letting you guys know first what it is. Um, Yes,
for sure, And it's gonna be crazy. It's really gonna
be crazy. I really love y'all show too, to be honest,
and I'm not being political. I want to I want
to be clear. I'm not being political. I'm just being

(53:47):
correct and it and I said it is political, you
know what I'm saying that the business is political. And
you get yourself and shit that you know, you know
how a lot of shit go viral when it shouldn't
go viral. It's like, damn, I was just walking down
the street and some shit go viral. Well, today, you

(54:08):
just have to be extra clear about the context and
how you're speaking like that because it's so many different
elements to the question. Right, It's not a it's not
a one answer. It's not a one answer to that
question because it's a loaded ass question, right, And I

(54:29):
would love to be as informative as I can possibly be,
But part of it has the change has to be
from this new generation of people who are managing people
who are artists, who are producers, who are songwriters. That's
why I'm gonna start doing these seminars. I'm definitely gonna

(54:49):
do some informative seminars and to to help being with you. Yeah,
and also man like, yeah, we're gonna get down, like
you don't want to get a to that. Um, So
how are you single? Have you do you have children? Yeah?
I mean I don't like to, Yeph, but I don't
really like to talk about that. I like to I like,

(55:10):
I got two boys. I really don't. I try to
keep my personal life um as private as I can,
only because to protect my family, you know what I mean,
to protect my to protect my kids, you know what
I'm saying, And to protect whoever I'm in a relationship with,
you know what I mean. But now important is that
for artists to protect their their family nowadays, especially with

(55:32):
social media being so crazy, the way you enter something
is the way you're gonna end up exciting, you know
what I'm saying. And so, to be very honest, like
the music business, if that's how you're making your money, um,
you gotta learn how to understand the details of it

(55:53):
because the details has a lot also to do with
like shit, to be very honest, it has a lot
to do with how you how you get dealt with agree.
You know what I'm saying, Like, people like leverages everything right,
and a lot of times the leverage is what causes

(56:13):
you to take a loss on a deal, right. So
so sometimes you know, it's like people don't like to
communicating ship. So they might be like, man, this shit
take it too long, or or damn, why is it
taking so long to get the song done? Or why
is it taking so long to have this conversation. It's like,
because in the end, you're gonna want to know all

(56:35):
the answers to this shit, and you're gonna want those answers.
Those answers that you're expecting to get, is the purpose
of the conversation and the dialogue at the beginning, because
if you already know how this process works, you already
know that X plus O minus x equals whatever. You

(56:56):
already know that. So if you're not taking your time
to understand that from the beginning, you're gonna be pissed off.
In the end, you're gonna be pissed and you're gonna
blame someone. And that's what we do in our community.
You know what I'm saying, We're not taking the time
to understand what this business is about, and it ain't trickery.
It ain't no bullshit. If you if you know what
you're doing, you know what I'm saying, and if you

(57:17):
approach it from the right perspective, it ain't gonna be perfect.
And you know, of course sometimes you're gonna you know,
you are gonna get yourself in some shit. Um, But
I can honestly say it comes with a lot. You
know what I'm saying that it's come with a lot
when it comes to hit songs. That's my goal. My
goal is to make hit records and it makes everybody money. Right,

(57:38):
you're very pr train. That's that's what I realized. The
relationship question, right, you get a grade job. You did it, okay,
But I was gonna ask, what, wait, with all the
issues that, like you said, the music industry has and
people not paying attention, would you want your kids to

(57:59):
be a part of it? I ain't got no choice.
There are and it's it's like you know the all
you can, Yeah, I mean the hardest part is like
like fighting with them, fighting with them to like my
oldest like fighting with him to um, because you love

(58:21):
him so much you want him to know the pitfalls first, like,
you know, you might feel like I got all this
shit happened to dad. I'm I'm lit like here, I'm
my my numbers, is this my stylish this? I got
this shit figured out. I got this figured out. Yeah,
you got that figured out. But you do not understand
how to move yet. And the way you move has

(58:41):
everything to do with where you end up being. And
it's gonna be harder for him because of who his
dad is. And that's something that I feel like a
lot of kids as parents are in the industry, they
don't understand because they're like, Yo, my dad is this
person and they're not helping me, and it's like, WHOA,
I think your dad is probably trying to protect you
because it's gonna be really hard, hard because of who
your parents are. And if you get to a certain

(59:03):
level of success as a kid, they're gonna say, well,
they only like that because it's dada. Sean geartt Well,
let me say this right, So when you bring this
on your kids, it comes on them like four or five,
four or five, like four or five heavy ass waves
more than it comes on you. Because I was just myself.
You know what I'm saying. No one knew who I was.

(59:23):
But for your kids, that shit makes it because the
first generation was the first generation of the it's the same.
And that's such a good point. When you first generation,
you're really taking all the bullets, so you can help
them not take the bullets because you're hoping that they
can take the bullets. But they ain't gonna be able
to take the bullets. They can't take the bullets that

(59:43):
we took, right because you know, it's almost like adrenaline,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I ended
up making it out of that situation because I had
the adrenal just because of mine. Why can't they Is
it because you gave them a certain life that you
didn't have it so where that they didn't have to
feel like to be prepared like that to take the bullets. No,
it's not even a life. It's what comes with it.

(01:00:04):
It's not the life. It's like you know, it's like
like I wouldn't want my son to have to deal
with Like it's it's really tricky. It's really tricky, like
when you talk about hate, right, you know what I'm saying,
Like when you look by the time, by the time
I was um by the time I had like my ten,
I had ten number ones, Like they didn't even know.

(01:00:26):
My face looked like you know what I'm saying. There
was people like there was people telling me like, yo,
y'all know, y'all man is Sean Garrett. And I would
be like word and I'll be talking to the person.
Wait wait so you said you said people would say
I managed Sean Garrett and as a selling point and
you're bro I was so high. I mean if you
really think about it, like like we ran the game man,

(01:00:51):
Like like I ran the game for like a good
ten years, ten to twelve years, like hands down, like
at least five number one one is a year. But
would they know who your son is? Hell? Yeah, Like
it's heavy on your children one. Trying to explain shit
to your children, uh from your logical perspective, and there's

(01:01:13):
it's like completely like night and day. And because me
and my son are so close in age. Um, it's
like you may think that you're talking to them on
their level, or you may think that you're talking to
them on the same level, but you're not talking to
them on the same level because they're emotional. Right. It's
like my son, these kids are emotional as hell. So

(01:01:34):
they don't like the word no. They don't like they
want it now. They want to do easy to them
because because their dad's yeah, because you took the bullets,
like the ship exactly, it's like I could do this
shit already, got thirty number one. Yeah, and and the
ship that they got in a DNA like he got it,
like he got it. Yes, he got it. He got everything,

(01:01:57):
you know what I'm saying. Everything, But but why won't
you just give it to him? Because some people believe no,
I'm giving it to him. But it's just like you
still want to you want to be cautious with your children,
like you got kids, okay, so when you have me, yeah,
oh really worry enough for everybody, all right, the way

(01:02:18):
you know, But like kids, it's just like it changes you.
You know, when somebody have a child for the first
time and you talk to him like a couple, like
a couple months later or a year later, two years later,
you'd be like, damn, y'all, you're a change because it's
it's it's that's a feeling that you can't like your
child is your everything, you know what I'm saying. And
it's just like certain things you just don't play with it,
you know what I'm saying, Like I don't play with
my kids. You know what I'm saying, I don't play

(01:02:40):
about my kids. I don't play about I don't play
about life period. So a lot of times, just like
people used to be like damn, you know Sean Garbb,
be so serious, like hell yeah, shit, because this is
life and death. I always looked at it though that way, though, right,
I always looked at it like when I go in
the studio, Shit, this might be this record could change

(01:03:02):
the world. I really did look at it like that.
I really did think that, yeah, it was going to
change the world. I really did think that. I really
did think that we were going to change the world
with Chris Brown. Like I really thought that, and it
really happened, you know what I'm saying. Working with Beyonce,
Like think about it now, Like if I never work
with Beyonce again in my life, wow, I'm like, it's happened,

(01:03:28):
you know what I'm saying, Like she's the biggest superstar
in the world. I would have never thought at that time.
I mean I knew she was Beyonce, but I'm like,
where you start struck when you first started working with him?
Hell yeah, like yeah, like I worked with Destity's Shout first,
but yeah, man, like it was I was nervous as hell,
Like is she the reason was the first song? Because
I was scared. I was kind of like I knew

(01:03:49):
that I knew that that was a comfort zone, you
know what I'm saying, like shout out the knife wonder
unfe wonder beast. Yeah. I don't know if y'all saw
what he just posted, but what do you say? It's
crazy like he he just explained like when we first met,
understanding he explained we first met and how serious I was,
you know, like I had my damn briefcase handcuffed in

(01:04:11):
my hand to my hand like I was just serious
about this ship, bro. And it was like I was saying,
by the time they by the time I had like
ten number ones, they didn't really know my face looked
like because I didn't really I didn't want them to.
I didn't care about people knowing who I was. I
was an artist too. I was an artist too, but
I didn't really care about that. What It's almost like

(01:04:33):
it's two that's two different cakes. You know what I'm saying,
like when I'm in when I'm in Superman hit hit
making mode, that's completely different than Superman as an artist,
and sometimes I really enjoy it to the point over
here that I spent a lot of time doing it
where I just didn't get back to this artist. Yeah,
I mean, I mean I've had some hit songs Clark

(01:04:56):
Camp better than being Superman. Have you read where you
wanted to be it? Because like you said, you'd like
to be the songwriter more and so you cater to
that more and being great and your artistry kind of
took a hit being in the fortune take a hit, though.
It's like it's like if there's no way I could
have took a hit, because if I was just working
on me as an artist, that means I would have

(01:05:16):
been putting out maybe five songs a year versus twenty,
or having ten number ones in one year versus one.
Like that was the math that I was using, you
know what I'm saying, and it really never was. It's
like Sean Garrett to Sean Garrett, you know what I'm saying.
And it's also like you gotta let your you gotta

(01:05:37):
let life come to you. Like sometimes you could drive
your car completely off the off the rail if you
if you're not patient with God and letting and allow
God to just like deal with you accordingly. You know
what I'm saying. It's like I can't I can't try
to be everything. I can't be all things to everybody.

(01:05:57):
I just gotta pace myself in and allow myself to
let God bring it to you. You know what I'm saying.
Sometimes you gotta just like I get into my own girl,
because like sometimes I like to just be at home
and I just like to just be at home. What
you're doing, you got such a such I'm like, I'm

(01:06:19):
just at I'm just chilling, Like I just like to
listen to the world. I like to see what's going on.
I like to let God talk to me. I like
to just, like what you mean, like be at home
alone and yeah, She's like, weren't you here with me? Yeah?
Like sometimes it's like I don't. I just like to chill,
you know what I mean? Because that piece I need
that piece sometimes Gendi Nah. I mean nah, a person

(01:06:45):
can't give you what God gives you for me, you
know what I'm saying. She gives me peace when I'm
in that piece type of peace mine. She gives me that,
she gives me a certain type of piece, but only
God gives me that's spiritual piece that I need sometime
for myself. You know what I'm saying, Because you gotta
because if I'm not balanced, man, that I can't give you.

(01:07:10):
I can't give I can't give nothing of myself. Right,
Sometimes you gotta step away, you know, have a mental break.
How long does that last though? Is it like months
or week or day? I mean, it ain't like no
three three months abatical and no ship like that. It's
just it's just, um, it's just sometimes you know, you

(01:07:35):
might you might need a day or two, you know
what I'm saying, just to just enjoy your enjoy your
enjoy your peace and weigh things out right, because it's
like it's so much going on in the world. You know,
it's so much going on with um money, like the money,
like like our currency, like it's some real shit going on.

(01:07:57):
You know what I'm saying. With our currency, what's it's
gonna go dig you or you know you got Russia
and uh shoot, China, China and people in India. You
know what I'm saying, Trying to create a whole other currency.
So you know, for me, shit like that matters, you
know what I'm saying. I'm just I'm just one of

(01:08:18):
those people sometimes und need a little piece, of course
we all do. And to like offer, you know what
I'm saying, Like to offer something, you got to build within.
It's almost like you gotta get your energy back sometimes
you got to recharge said all the time. I'm that
was my whole point about. You know, keep going back
to you as an artist. You know, you have been

(01:08:38):
a servant to your industry for so long, you know,
you know, sometimes it's okay to be selfish if that's
what you want, like as far as to be an
artist and to be as big as you want to be. Yeah,
I'm definitely getting more to that place of being selfish
with myself myself from an artist's perspective, Like that's coming

(01:08:58):
for sure, right, But that's such an such a mindset,
you know, I mean, that artist's mindset is like like
I think Future probably said it best, Like when you
think about Future the way he explains the way he
explains himself in his life, it really makes sense for
the artist's future, you know what I mean, Like every

(01:09:21):
every aspect of it, would y'all agree? Guys? What does
he say? So it's like, you know when when you
talk about future, like when future talks about he had
to be selfish at times, he had to be um
even though his relationships on like how serious he took
it or how it comes across. It could have came

(01:09:44):
across to some people as if you know some sometimes
he don't care something, but he has to focus. You
have to. You have to really give yourself. You gotta
be selfish with yourself. The industry is always going to
be a number one girl in some type of capacity. Yeah,
it breaks you down like this shit. It really the
industry will break you all the way down because you know,

(01:10:05):
when you think about it, if you're already dealing with
shit like this's been on the internet along, it's too much.
I think it's just too much. You got the answer
to people you don't know. You don't really you think
you're not answering to them, but you you definitely you
answering in some way because you see that shit it's
over on a certain to a certain extent. After seeing

(01:10:27):
shit happened or seeing shit said so many times, it
affects you. Yeah, like celebrities always talk about like how
comments don't affect them, and I'm like, yes, yes, yes
it dude, because if you got the time to respond
to a negative comment that a fan said, and you
got a thousand other comments, it's positive that you could
respond to. Then the comments. You know, I feel like

(01:10:48):
slaves are I mean celebrities are slaves. So you know
the Internet at this point you are, man, you were
slaves to success? Yeah, you slave to the success. It's
almost like man, you know you think to yourself, you like,
damn like what you were saying. It's like, Sean, do
I feel like you ask me do I feel like, um,

(01:11:09):
I was slighted as an artist? I don't feel slighted.
But to be very honest, it's only twenty four hours
in a day. Sometimes it takes me twenty. But you
feel under appreciated. I do. Sometimes I ain't gonna lie
like like if there's nothing, if there hasn't been, if

(01:11:30):
there has been anything, I feel like that's the part that, Like,
to be honest, that shit really fucks with you sometimes.
It's like when people don't appreciate your hard work or
your or your your talent, your gift, you know what
I'm saying that ship at some point it does fuck
with you. But we appreciate you here on the Ball
Alert Show, and I appreciate you. Just learning more about you,

(01:11:53):
you know, makes my appreciation grow even more. And um,
what you were saying about, you know, how you took
a different route on purpose and did things differently and
ended up, you know, that becoming your signature and you
becoming really really successful at it. On another level, that
hits from me too, because I don't know if you remember.
You probably don't, but um, I think it was like
early twenty maybe eleven twelve. I did a DAT tape

(01:12:16):
and with Greg with Greg Street, and he hosted or whatever,
and then he wanted to make this whole big deal
about it, so we did it on his radio show
and you actually called in and you were, you know,
giving me my props and all that stuff. Remember that.
I remember that. I really do remember that. That's crazy.
That was you. Yeah, all right, listen. Life is crazy, right,

(01:12:36):
Life is one big circle, it is. But you know what,
they never appreciated Michael Jackson. They never appreciated Prince. People
don't appreciate any of the grades that we have in
front of us until it's too late. I really appreciate, UM,
I really appreciate these times. UM. You know, growing up,

(01:12:58):
growing up UM with a lot of you guys, UM,
I didn't get a chance to, like I think, to
get to to get back to you what you said.
I was working so much that I didn't really the

(01:13:19):
human side of me. I lost the human side of
me at some time, at some points because I couldn't, UM,
I couldn't focus on being a human. I had to
focus on being a machine. UM. And now I'm I'm
spending a little bit more time being a human and

(01:13:40):
having a time to be appreciated and having uh time
to actually process um, real conversations and love and appreciation
and UM. Because it's really tough sometimes, you know what
I'm saying, Like it's you know, I'm really, I'm really,

(01:14:02):
I'm really passionate. You know what I'm saying. I'm very passionate.
And you know, sometimes it has been times that, like
you know, you don't always like it when the wrong
perception of you is out there. You know what I'm saying.
It's like you can't be out there that long without
somebody having an issue or somebody not liking some shit.

(01:14:22):
You know what I'm saying. It's like and you really
just been trying to just do your best and be
your best and give everything you got and that ship
gets to a point where it weighs on you, you
know what I'm saying. But but at the end as
a whole, you know, I'm very appreciative, um for being
out here and and the love I've I've I've received

(01:14:43):
over It's been a great life. Like it's been a
great it's been a great time. You gotta come back
on the show, brother. Yeah, yeah, we got up upset
shit man. UM, trying to finish up this this Usher album. UM,
and thank y'all man, And UM, I want to say
thank y'all to everybody who's been really receptive to the

(01:15:04):
new single Glue for usure. UM working on my album
for sure, I want to do the international tour. UM.
I mean sometimes I never I never really appreciate it.
I mean I never even realized so many people appreciated
my my work as an artist. UM, you know what
I mean, a lot of interviews I've been having it's like, Yo,

(01:15:25):
where is your shit at? Like, and UM, I really
felt like I didn't really think people appreciated it that much.
Said that it's hard man. You know what I meant.
Number one, they want to let me get so. I
got so used to people being selfish, and I never
was selfish. I will say this, you know last thing. Um,

(01:15:48):
it's important to um let people know that you love them.
You know what I'm saying, Because it's it's shit. It's
a challenge. It's a challenge, uh every day and and um,
just like you said, you know, I didn't know that
that was That's so crazy. I didn't know that that
was you. And that was ten years or damn there
eight years ago, right and now look look at you.

(01:16:11):
You know what I'm saying. That's the one thing I
really appreciate to about life. It's like seeing people grow
and being able to have conversations later about it. You
know what I mean. You might have never known where
a person was going through or what a person was
really trying to do with their life. You know what
I'm saying. So well, thank you agatting Sean Garrett. Before

(01:16:32):
we get out of here, if you gotta have a
pep talk, my name is mister Sean Garrett aka to
Pen the pep Talk for me today is just basically
definitely stand on your positivity, maintaining your mental stability, not
allowing anything or anybody to talk you out of your peace,

(01:16:57):
I think is a very important part of life, no
matter what your profession is. The other part, I would say,
if you're in the music business and you definitely want
to be successful, learn as much as you possibly can
about every aspect of the business, and not just in

(01:17:18):
the music business, but that's in life. Yeah. Motivating, Motivating
yourself is motivating the world because if whatever you give it,
if you're given that positive energy back out to the world,
it's going to come back to you. Peace and love.
Can't get enough of baller Alert. Follow us on all

(01:17:39):
social media platforms at baller alert all go on to
baller alert dot com.