August 18, 2025 • 33 mins
1. The Summit and Its Outcomes
- The summit took place on August 15 in Anchorage, Alaska, with Trump and Putin discussing a potential peace framework for the Russia-Ukraine war.
- Territorial proposals were floated, including Russia withdrawing from parts of southern Ukraine in exchange for concessions.
- Russia’s demands include Ukraine renouncing NATO membership, lifting some sanctions, and recognizing Crimea as Russian territory—conditions Ukraine publicly rejected.
- A notable shift: Putin reportedly agreed to allow NATO-style security guarantees for Ukraine, which would be a major change in Russia’s stance.
2. Political Reactions and Media Criticism
- The podcast heavily criticizes Democrats and mainstream media, accusing them of undermining Trump’s efforts and rooting for his failure.
- It portrays Trump as a bold negotiator, drawing comparisons to Reagan’s Cold War diplomacy.
- Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are quoted extensively, defending Trump’s approach and emphasizing the need for concessions from both sides.
3. Trump’s Position and Strategy
- Trump is depicted as taking a pragmatic stance, pushing for a negotiated settlement rather than total victory for either side.
- He emphasizes that the war is Biden’s failure, referencing the Afghanistan withdrawal and Nord Stream 2 sanctions.
- Trump claims to have made progress and expresses optimism about a future meeting involving Zelensky, Putin, and himself.
4. Broader Implications
- The commentary suggests that the war could end in 2025, with Trump playing a central role.
- It warns against Ukraine joining NATO, arguing it would obligate U.S. military involvement.
- The economic strain on Russia is highlighted as a factor pushing Putin toward negotiation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got a major story that we've got to talk about,
and I've got all the information you're gonna need, and
it deals with Vladimir Putin, Ukraine, Zelensky, and Donald Trump.
As you know, the summit took place on August the
fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present, including Marco Ruvio
and many of the envoy on the US side, said
(00:20):
that there was real progress that was made. Democrats in
the media, of course, using the Sunday morning shows to
lie to the American people. We also now know through
sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,
a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to
withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas
(00:45):
in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas
remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce
NATO membership, partially lift sanctions, and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over CRIMEA.
Ukraine firmly rejecting these conditions publicly today. But then there's
(01:09):
where are we actually compared to the posturing in public? Well,
one of the things we are learning about is security guarantees.
In a notable development, Putin apparently agreed to allow the
US and Europe to offer Ukraine NATO's style quote unquote
security guarantees ach into Article five protections. That is a
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historic shift in Russia's posture. Now there is no agreement yet.
Despite Donald Trump calling the talks productive and the media
is saying they're a failure, this seems to be working
towards a real formal agreement and both sides are acknowledging
that major points will have to be discussed, but they're
willing to do it. Now. I'm going to tell you
(01:53):
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in his interview on Face the Nation. But first I
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Marco Rubio had to say. He was on face the
Nation Democrats saying that Donald Trump got played by Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's absurd.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
They weren't in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
No he didn't, But there's nothing to say that that's
actually what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Of course, the media is running with it because that's
what Democrats are saying, and why because they would rather
score political points against dond Trump then stop the senseless
killing between Russia and Ukraine with the innocent children and
women and seniors and men and women in general that
are being forced to fight in this war. I want
you to hear the Secretary of Saint Rubio on Ukraine
(04:48):
and what he says. This meeting with Zelenski is going
to really look like this Weekley.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
If if Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land
that he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Well, Putin's already sees land by force and not in
and of itself, is not a positive precedent this whole
war a you're demanding withdrawal or precedent. Well, again, here's
the In order to have a deal here to in
to reach the end of this conflict, both sides are
going to have to make concessions. That's just a fact
any negotiation. No, no, but if, But this is not about accepting.
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This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia
can accept. They both have to accept it otherwise there
won't be a peace deal. Okay, if there aren't concessions,
If one side gets everything they want, that's called surrender.
That's called the end of the war through surrender and
not what we're close to doing anything close to it.
So in order for there to be a peace deal,
this is just a fact.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Like it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It may not, it may maybe dis taste, but in
order for there to be an end of the war,
there are things Russia wants that it cannot get and
there are things Ukraine wants that it's not going to get.
Both sides are going to have to give up something
in order to get to the table in order to
make this happen. That's just the way it is. And
I mean, the sooner we accept that that's the reality. Now,
what those things are, it's gonna be up to both sides.
(06:15):
There's no conditions that can be imposed on Ukraine. They're
gonna have to accept things, but they're gonna have to
get things too. And so, for example, Ukraine is a
sovereign country. They have a right like every sovereign country
does in the world, to have the inner into security
alliances with other countries to prevent an invasion in the future,
to prevent threats to the national security. That's not an
unreasonable request. That's something needs to be worked on. Territories
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will have to be discussed. It's just a fact, and
there are things that maybe Russia's holding now that they're
going to have to give up.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
The point is we need to create a scenario where
that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,
because neither side up to now has been willing to
give on some of these things. But we'll see if
that's possible. It may not be, but we're gonna try,
and we're gonna do everything we can to try to
achieve a peace.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Think about what Marco Rubio just said there. He says
we're moving towards peace. Why would anyone want a root
against that? Why would you want to root against President
Donald Trump if he is able to get these parties
to the table, which by the way, is exactly what
he's moving towards right now, getting closer than anybody else has,
and he now has at least a framework. And that
(07:22):
is part of what Marco Rubio also said on Face
the Nation, reminding the host we are moving forward, whether.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You like it or not.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Asking about the security that you just mentioned there, because
Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the idea
of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and a
collective security clause that would involve the United States. How
does that work? Are these US troops that monitors?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Well, that's what we're going to be working on.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked
yesterday to all the national security advisors and a bunch
of them from the different year of countries. There are
European leaders coming here tomorrow, Heads of state coming tomorrow
along with President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail.
I mean, the constructs of something like this needs to
be built out. A concept is one thing, the reality,
you know, how it's built and how it would work
is another. But those are the kinds of talks that
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we're going to be having with them, along with some
of the other issues that are at play. But that
is one of the if you were to break this
thing down. I mean, there are obviously there needs to
be an agreement on territories and where the lines are
going to be drawn. That's not going to be very easy.
That's going to be tough. I think there has to
be some discussion about security guarantees for Ukraine because they
don't want this war none of us want to see
this war in the future. They're a sovereign country. They
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have a right to have security agreements with other countries
and security alliances with other countries. And then there's the
whole issue in construction. How do you rebuild the country? Well, potentially,
like I said, that's what we're going to be having
a conversation about, and that's what we're going to be meeting.
That's why they're all coming here tomorrow, and that's why
we've been talking on the phone for the last forty
eight hours with them, and even leading up to it,
throughout the week, there were various meetings just to sort
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of build out some of these ideas. So all of
these right now are ideas. There are concepts that require
some more specificity. Will need to work with our partners
to see what that looks like. And I think that's
an area where potential progress is real. But that alone
won't be enough. There's a bunch of other things that
have to be worked through.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Here we're gonna be working right Notice how he's like,
we have things to work through. There's no way everything
could be agreed to to stop a multi year war
in a three hour time span when only one of
the two parties is in the room with President Trump.
You think about their definition of success. It was an
immediate end of the war, a ceasefire immediately when Donald
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Trump walked down that meeting in Alaska, that was never
gonna happen. Everyone knows that was never gonna happen. There
are concessions that may need to be made, there are
security guarantees that need to be made. And this goes
back to how much the media hates Donald Trump. They
would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing around
(09:58):
the world. Here's something else that also, Sender Rubio said,
it's important listen carefully.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Sam any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during this meeting.
Has he any prog have any concession in your program?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Why would I do that?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Where is the question?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Because you can't have a piece agreement. Now, you can't
have a peace agreement unless both sides give and get.
You can't have a piece agreement unless both sides make concessions.
That's a fact, that's true, and virtually any negotiation. If not,
it's just called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender.
So both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there
be of me going on a program and tell you
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we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
must do this and you must do that. It's only
make it's only gonna make it harder and less likely
that they're going to agree to these things. So these negotiations,
as much as everyone would love it to be a live,
pay per view event, these discussions only work best when
they are conducted privately. In negotiating serious negotiations in which
people who have to go back and bond to constituencies.
(11:02):
Because even if thelitarian governments have constituencies they have to
respond to people have to go back and defend these
agreements that they make and so figure out a way
to explain them to people. So we need to create
space for concessions to be made. But of course the
concessions were asked.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these
discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they
believe they're so important that they should be in the
middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and the
United States of America. Leave it to the liberal media
to act like this while also hoping that the president fails.
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The good news is the meetings are continuing, and it
looks like President Trump is getting closer to peace, certainly
than anyone else has been able to do in the
rest of the world. Now, Center Cruz and I sat
down to break down even more about this meeting that
happened between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Anchorage, Alaska,
and I want you to hear what he had to
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say about what this means for the Senate, the House,
and Washington, d C. Especially the meeting coming up with
Zelensky at the White House. Take a listen, all right,
So let's start at the beginning of this meeting. The
first thing that made people lose their minds was the
fact that Donald Trump shook hands with Vladimir Putin and
they smiled at one another. And that was when, like
the entire media just erupted with I can't even believe
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that they're touching each other and shaking hands. It is
truly incredible to watch the meltdown.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
You know, it is astonishing how the corporate media and
the Democrats are rooting for America to fail. They want
the president to fail. They hate President Trump so much
that actually seeing him succeed in ending this war would
be intolerable to the left that hates him so much.
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And listen, I don't know if he will succeed. This
is not easy. This was courageous to go and do
this meeting. There is a risk of failure. But if
we know anything about President Trump is that he is
afraid of very little unplanet Earth, and he's not afraid
of Vladimir Putin. And so he went, He invited him
to come to Alaska. He went and met one on one.
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He looked him in the eyes, and he made very
clear of this war needs to come to an end.
I want you to give a listen to what President
Trump said about his meeting with Putin.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
We were together almost three hours and it was very
extensive and we agreed with a lot of points. I
mean a lot of points were agreed on, but there's
not that much. As you know, one or two pretty
significant items, but I think they can be reached. Now
it's really up to President Zolynsky to get it done.
And I would also say the European nations they have
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to get involved a little bit. But it's up to
Presidents Olynsky. I think we are and if they'd like,
I'll be at that next meeting. They're going to set
up a meeting now between Presidents Olynsky and President Putin
and myself. I guess you know, I didn't even I
didn't ask you about it. Not that I want to
be there, but I want to make sure it gets done,
and we have a pretty good chance of getting it done.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If he described it as a pretty good chance of
getting it done. Part of this is the economics, and
that's something centered that a lot of people have not
been talking about. This war is costing Russia a lot
of money, and they are a country that is very
poor at this point. They're teetering, some would say, economically,
and so there is a real chance that Vladimir Putin
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needs to get out of this from a financial standpoint.
That's part of what I think the President clearly was
talking to him about as well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I think that's right, and I believe the Ukraine War
will end, and it will end this year. That was
clearly something President Trump campaigned on. He was explicit to
the American people that he intended to end this war.
And listen, President Zelenski has been reluctant to reach a
peace deal because he wants to recover every square inch
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of Ukraine. Now, now I understand why he does. You
and I, if we we're president of Ukraine, we probably
want the same thing. But President Trump has been cleared
the United States is out of the business of funding
the war. That we have sent billions and billions of
dollars to Ukraine and the cash spigot has stopped, and
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I think that is a powerful incentive to President Zelenski
to reach an agreement. You were right that the war
has been incredibly costly on Russia. They have poured in
enormous money and material and manpower and soldiers who've been lost.
And what I've verged, the president is number one in
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the war, but number two end it in a way
that is a clear and discernible loss for Putin. Putin
is not our friend. Putin is our enemy. And we
do not want our enemy getting stronger. We want our
enemies getting weaker. And so my hope is the resolution.
There's going to be some kind of negotiated settlement. I
think it will be reached later this year. The follow
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up on Monday today, President Zelenski is scheduled to be
in Washington and meet with President Trump. That that'll be
the next step. And then the objective is to get
Zelenski and Putin together with President Trump and see it
see if we can make real progress to a resolution.
That is not going to be easy because Zelenski has
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not wanted to give anything up, and Putin UH generally
doesn't want to give anything up either. And and so
you've got two people that are pretty dug in in
their positions. But I think President Trump is trying to
move heaven and Earth UH to to stop the war,
to stop the shooting and stop the bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You talk about the next steps, and let's just go
to that meeting with Zelensky. I think it's pretty queer.
And a lot of people criticize in the media also
Democrats that Zelensky quote wasn't invited to this meeting, and
they wanted to hit the president on that. Look, Donald
Trump clearly need to get in the room with Ladimir Putin,
talk to Putin and probably be able to say some
things of Vladimir Putin without Zolensky in the room. There
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was no indication by the way that Vladimir Putin wanted
to meet with Zolensky, And if you look historically at
these deals, usually the person the country that brokers the
deal has a meeting with one side, first, has a
meeting with the other side, then they have that follow
up meeting that the President talked about. That has been
standard practice for decades and decades and decades, maybe even centuries.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Around the world.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And yet people wanted to criticize the present for using
this strategy, which has been proven to work. Well, I
think the President was smart here. You go to this
meeting with Zolenski, I'm assuming he's going to treat it
very much the same way he treated this meeting with
Vladimir Putin, except there is a difference. One's going to
be at the White House and one's in Alaska. So
I think that also plays out well in the President's favor,
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with with Zolenski saying, hey, I'm showing your respect. I
want to get this deal done. You need to stop
the killing for your people. Well that's coming in, I
think with a smart idea and strategy.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Your reaction, well, look, President Trump, before the meeting in Alaska,
he was explicit. He said he wanted to see if
Putin is willing to make a deal to reach a resolution.
And he was also explicit and he said if if
Putin is not, Trump was perfectly prepared to get up
and leave and and and remember that that's what President
Reagan did when when he met with Mikhail Gorbachev in Raykevic,
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and Gorbachev was not willing to reach a deal. In particular,
Gorbachev wanted Reagan to give up SDI, the Strategic Defense initiative,
which was Star Wars, it was missile defense, and Reagan
was not willing to give it up. And Reagan got
up from the table and left and walked out. And
I'll tell you his leaving that negotiation was was a
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critical element of winning the Cold War because the Soviet
Union they did not have the economy to support the
military build up. They needed to keep up with SDI
to keep up with our military, and we ultimately won
the Cold War without firing a shot. I think President
Trump did a good job of setting expectations. And I
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wasn't in the room with with with Trump and and Putin,
but I assume he looked at him flat out and said, listen,
are you willing to reach a deal or not, and
the answer was satisfactory enough that that Trump stayed and
continued the meeting. I think that's a step forward. It's
a positive step forward. And you know the left is contemptuous,
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but I want you to listen to this exchange with
Brett Bhaer. We asked her, asked Trump about Hillary Clinton,
give a listen.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
In fact, did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said
that if you got this deal done and not capitulate
to Putin, that she would nominate you for the Nobel
Peace Prize.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate
him for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Well, that was very nice. I may have to start
liking her again.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Just made me laugh, like when I watched it, because
I think he was even like really like Hillary Clinton
noticed she had a caveat in there. If it's without capitulating, right,
if there's always a caveat.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
With Dems, well and and and that's their wiggle language.
She said, and not capitulate to Putin. So whatever the
deal is, if if Putin gets anything at all, Hillary
will said nope, Nope, that was capitulating. So I didn't
mean it. I'm not nominating him, but but that may
be a quote that that that she and the other
Democrats come back to regret because I think there's going
to be a deal. Uh. And if there is a deal,
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you can be assured that quote is going to be
played multiple times. And and and and if if the
President negotiates the deal, she'll try to walk away from
it one hundred percent. She tries to walk away from it.
But but but it shows you know, she's rooting for
failure and and and the other Democrats are are rooting
for failure. But and a significant part of the reason
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understand this war in Ukraine should never have happened. It
was unnecessary. This war in Ukraine was caused by two things.
It was caused by number one, Joe Biden's disastrous withdraw
in Afghanistan. The incompetence, the debacle that unfolded. Every enemy
of America took a measure of President Biden and determined
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that the commander in chief was weak and ineffective. That
was a major reason Putin invaded Ukraine. And it was
caused secondly by Joe Biden waiving sanctions on Nordstream two.
Nordstream two is the undersea pipeline that Putin built from
Russia to Germany. And the reason he built that pipeline
to carry natural gas was to circumvent Ukraine, because right
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now Russia's natural gas goes through Ukraine on pipelines, and
the purpose of Nordstream two was so that he didn't
need to go through Ukraine and he could invade Ukraine.
In the first term, I authored sanctions legislation, crushing sanctioned
legislation to shut down Nordstream two. It passed the Senate
with bipartisan support, It passed the House with bipartisan support.
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President Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, and Ben
Putin stopped construction of Nordstream to Literally the day President
Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, that legislation stopped
the invasion, prevented the invasion, and had the sanctions remained
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in place, we would not have a war in Ukraine.
But Joe Biden came in and waived the sanctions. He
gave a multi billion dollar gift to Putin, finished Nordstream
two and almost immediately thereafter invaded. And by the way,
it's not just me saying this, give a listen to
Putin saying this same point. Which is that the war
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in Ukraine would never have happened if Trump had been
president in twenty twenty one. Give a listen.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
I'd like to remind you that in twenty twenty two,
during the last contact with a previous administration, I tried
to vince my previous American colleague should not the situation
should not be brought to the point of no return
when it would come to hostilities, and I said it
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quite directly back then.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's a big mistake.
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Today when President Trump saying that if he was the
president back then, there will be no more and I'm
I'm quite sure that it would indeed be, so I
can't confirm that. I think that overall, me and President
Trump have built a very good, business like and trustworthy contact,
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and I have every reason to believe that moving down
this path, we can come and the suited better to
the end of the conflict in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean, he said it there.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I also think you said it because he's probably messing
with our media a little bit, which I love. It's like,
you guys are idiots and you're wrong, and if you
knew what was actually going on, you tell the truth.
It's pretty bad when even Putin knows how to just
call out the media.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Look, and and the media actually behaves like Pravda, behaves
like the Soviet media, except they they pitched the hard left,
pullit borrow line, and so as a result, they blame
everything on President Trump. But understand, Joe Biden, the Democrats
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caused wars. They caused the war in Ukraine, and I
believe about Biden's weakness caused the war in Gaza, caused
October seventh. Uh And the world is safer, We have
fewer wars when we have a strong commander in chief
and President Trump is working, I think, very hard to
end this war. Now, one big question is is Zelenski
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willing to make a deal. And President Trump had some
very straightforward advice to President Zelensky. Give a listen, what's your.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Advice is to make a deal.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Make the deal.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Got to make a deal.
Speaker 10 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Look, Russia is a very big power, and they're not
They're great soldiers and they have great but you know.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
They also had the best equipment. You know, they had
our equipment, and I gave them javelins.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
If you remember my first term, in fact, it was
a statement I gave javelins. You remember the statement I
gave javelins and Obama gave because it was Obama at
that time.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Obama gave them sheets. And that's true.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I gave javelins, and a lot of tanks were knocked
out because.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Of the javelins. The javelins incredible weapon. It's a tank.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
You know, you look at this big, powerful tank, it
ends up being a ball of metal lying on the
ground and burning. I'd never say anything like it. We
have the greatest military equipment in the world. But they
did have courage in fighting, and you know, they're fighting
a big war machine.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
And we.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I think are close to a deal, but I won't.
I don't like saying it. I always say if I'm
really close, I say fifty to.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Fifty, fifty to fifty, right. I love how he says that.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yep, yeah, Look, and this was President Trump also made
clear that Biden is the one who screwed this up,
and he's coming in now and he's trying to fix
the mess that Joe Biden, the Democrats weakness caused. Here's
how the President put it.
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Take a listen to Donald Trump in Anchorage, Vladimir repruitin
right next to him and talking about how Joe Biden
screwed all this up and he inherited this mess.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
Nineteen eighty six, Reagan walks away from Raykovic with Gorbachev
and it was a strong moment. I mean, you could
foresee if it goes down a bad path, you get
up and walk away.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I'm not doing it based on history, based on anything else.
I'm doing it based on a deal. If we make
a deal, great.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
If I see that there's no hope of making a deal,
I'm out of there.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's over.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm out of there.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
This isn't my war, this is Biden's war.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
This is Biden screwed this up, just like he did
with Afghanistan, with that horrible retreat, and of the way.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
He did it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll never forget it. He'll never forget it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, and neither will the the soldiers and sailors and
airmen and marines who fought in Afghanistan, who bled, who
lost brothers and sisters there, every veteran of that war.
Biden's disastrous with retreat is indelibly marked under their conscious.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Final question for you on this, if you were meeting
with Zolensky about getting this deal done, what would you
say to him? What would your advice be, and and
how would you see this thing ending if you could
do it your way?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, look, my advice would be the same as as
what President Trump's was, which is make a deal. It's
got to be a negotiated settlement. So Lincy's not going
to get everything he wants. But it is important that
that Ukraine have an outcome where their security is protected.
And that's one thing that that's one thing that is striking.
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Putin acknowledged that that was a real concession that Putin
said there needs to be an outcome where Ukraine's security
is protected. I also think it is important that the
resolution of this continues to leave nord Stream too shut down.
When I'm meeting with with our European allies, and I
do so frequently, a question I posed to them over
(30:26):
and over again, as I say, listen, when the war
in Ukraine ends, who are you going to buy your
energy from? Are you going to buy your energy from
Russia or are you going to buy it from the
United States? Because I would like to see a resolution
to this war that is America first, that puts America first.
I'd like to see Europe buying their energy from US
and not enriching Putin. And so that's an outcome that
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I think is very much in America's view. But I
want you to listen to Putin I want you to
listen to Putin acknowledging the importance of an outcome that
protects the security of Ukraine.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Give a listen, and I agree with President Trump as
he has said today it naturally the security of Ukraine
should be insured as well. Naturally we're prepared to welcome that.
I like to hope that the agreement that we've reached
together will help us bring close to that goal and
will pay the path towards peace from Ukraine. We expect
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that Kiev and European capitals will perceive that constructively and
that they won't throw a ranch in the words.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Two things there.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
One, he says it clearly the security of Ukraine should
be insured. Now I think this goes back to trust
but verify, right, But at least he's saying that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Absolutely. We should not take Putin at his word for that.
But it's better that he says it then than he doesn't,
and then you hear him at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It does seem to be that he's is talking in
a way you would talk if you're winding things down.
I think you have to read into that a little
bit and say, okay, this is not a thing either.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, Look, if he was hell bent on continuing the
war and trying to conquer all of Ukraine. He wouldn't
say we need to ensure that the security of Ukraine
is protected now. He also said and that the Europeans
shouldn't throw a wrench into it. And one of the
real questions is is there have been some in Europe,
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and there have been a number of Democrats who've advocated
that Ukraine be a member of NATO. I think that
would be a real mistake. I've been vocal opposing that.
President Trump has been explicit he opposes that. And the
reason is NATO. Under Article five of NATO, when a
country becomes a member of NATO, the other members take
an obligation to defend it in the case of war.
(32:46):
And I have zero interest in putting American troops in
harm's way defending Ukraine. And and so I think inviting
Ukraine to NATO would be a bad mistake. President Trump
has made that clar and I think that's what Putin
was saying there as well, is that that would do
real damage to the prospects of peace. And so I'm
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glad that President Trump has taking that off the table.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
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We've got a major story that we've got to talk about,
and I've got all the information you're gonna need, and
it deals with Vladimir Putin, Ukraine, Zelensky, and Donald Trump.
As you know, the summit took place on August the
fifteenth and Anchorage, Alaska, and officials present, including Marco Ruvio
and many of the envoy on the US side, said
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that there was real progress that was made. Democrats in
the media, of course, using the Sunday morning shows to
lie to the American people. We also now know through
sources the territorial proposals have been floated. In fact, quote,
a potential peace framework is emerging. Putin reportedly offered to
withdraw from small areas in southern Sumi and other areas
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in exchange for larger concessions from Ukraine. However, the ideas
remain controversial and unresolved. Notably, Russia wants Ukraine to renounce
NATO membership, partially lift sanctions, and acknowledge Russian sovereignty over CRIMEA.
Ukraine firmly rejecting these conditions publicly today. But then there's
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where are we actually compared to the posturing in public? Well,
one of the things we are learning about is security guarantees.
In a notable development, Putin apparently agreed to allow the
US and Europe to offer Ukraine NATO's style quote unquote
security guarantees ach into Article five protections. That is a
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historic shift in Russia's posture. Now there is no agreement yet.
Despite Donald Trump calling the talks productive and the media
is saying they're a failure, this seems to be working
towards a real formal agreement and both sides are acknowledging
that major points will have to be discussed, but they're
willing to do it. Now. I'm going to tell you
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Marco Rubio had to say. He was on face the
Nation Democrats saying that Donald Trump got played by Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's absurd.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
They weren't in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
No he didn't, But there's nothing to say that that's
actually what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Of course, the media is running with it because that's
what Democrats are saying, and why because they would rather
score political points against dond Trump then stop the senseless
killing between Russia and Ukraine with the innocent children and
women and seniors and men and women in general that
are being forced to fight in this war. I want
you to hear the Secretary of Saint Rubio on Ukraine
(04:48):
and what he says. This meeting with Zelenski is going
to really look like this Weekley.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
If if Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land
that he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Well, Putin's already sees land by force and not in
and of itself, is not a positive precedent this whole
war a you're demanding withdrawal or precedent. Well, again, here's
the In order to have a deal here to in
to reach the end of this conflict, both sides are
going to have to make concessions. That's just a fact
any negotiation. No, no, but if, But this is not about accepting.
(05:37):
This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia
can accept. They both have to accept it otherwise there
won't be a peace deal. Okay, if there aren't concessions,
If one side gets everything they want, that's called surrender.
That's called the end of the war through surrender and
not what we're close to doing anything close to it.
So in order for there to be a peace deal,
this is just a fact.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Like it.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It may not, it may maybe dis taste, but in
order for there to be an end of the war,
there are things Russia wants that it cannot get and
there are things Ukraine wants that it's not going to get.
Both sides are going to have to give up something
in order to get to the table in order to
make this happen. That's just the way it is. And
I mean, the sooner we accept that that's the reality. Now,
what those things are, it's gonna be up to both sides.
(06:15):
There's no conditions that can be imposed on Ukraine. They're
gonna have to accept things, but they're gonna have to
get things too. And so, for example, Ukraine is a
sovereign country. They have a right like every sovereign country
does in the world, to have the inner into security
alliances with other countries to prevent an invasion in the future,
to prevent threats to the national security. That's not an
unreasonable request. That's something needs to be worked on. Territories
(06:37):
will have to be discussed. It's just a fact, and
there are things that maybe Russia's holding now that they're
going to have to give up.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
The point is we need to create a scenario where
that becomes possible. And that's why this has been so hard,
because neither side up to now has been willing to
give on some of these things. But we'll see if
that's possible. It may not be, but we're gonna try,
and we're gonna do everything we can to try to
achieve a peace.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Think about what Marco Rubio just said there. He says
we're moving towards peace. Why would anyone want a root
against that? Why would you want to root against President
Donald Trump if he is able to get these parties
to the table, which by the way, is exactly what
he's moving towards right now, getting closer than anybody else has,
and he now has at least a framework. And that
(07:22):
is part of what Marco Rubio also said on Face
the Nation, reminding the host we are moving forward, whether.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You like it or not.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Asking about the security that you just mentioned there, because
Italy's Prime minister says that President Trump provide the idea
of security guarantees inspired by NATO's Article five and a
collective security clause that would involve the United States. How
does that work? Are these US troops that monitors?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Well, that's what we're going to be working on.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That's one of the reasons why you know, I talked
yesterday to all the national security advisors and a bunch
of them from the different year of countries. There are
European leaders coming here tomorrow, Heads of state coming tomorrow
along with President Zelensky to discuss this in more detail.
I mean, the constructs of something like this needs to
be built out. A concept is one thing, the reality,
you know, how it's built and how it would work
is another. But those are the kinds of talks that
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we're going to be having with them, along with some
of the other issues that are at play. But that
is one of the if you were to break this
thing down. I mean, there are obviously there needs to
be an agreement on territories and where the lines are
going to be drawn. That's not going to be very easy.
That's going to be tough. I think there has to
be some discussion about security guarantees for Ukraine because they
don't want this war none of us want to see
this war in the future. They're a sovereign country. They
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have a right to have security agreements with other countries
and security alliances with other countries. And then there's the
whole issue in construction. How do you rebuild the country? Well, potentially,
like I said, that's what we're going to be having
a conversation about, and that's what we're going to be meeting.
That's why they're all coming here tomorrow, and that's why
we've been talking on the phone for the last forty
eight hours with them, and even leading up to it,
throughout the week, there were various meetings just to sort
(09:00):
of build out some of these ideas. So all of
these right now are ideas. There are concepts that require
some more specificity. Will need to work with our partners
to see what that looks like. And I think that's
an area where potential progress is real. But that alone
won't be enough. There's a bunch of other things that
have to be worked through.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Here we're gonna be working right Notice how he's like,
we have things to work through. There's no way everything
could be agreed to to stop a multi year war
in a three hour time span when only one of
the two parties is in the room with President Trump.
You think about their definition of success. It was an
immediate end of the war, a ceasefire immediately when Donald
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Trump walked down that meeting in Alaska, that was never
gonna happen. Everyone knows that was never gonna happen. There
are concessions that may need to be made, there are
security guarantees that need to be made. And this goes
back to how much the media hates Donald Trump. They
would rather him fail then stop the senseless killing around
(09:58):
the world. Here's something else that also, Sender Rubio said,
it's important listen carefully.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Sam any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during this meeting.
Has he any prog have any concession in your program?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Why would I do that?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Where is the question?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Because you can't have a piece agreement. Now, you can't
have a peace agreement unless both sides give and get.
You can't have a piece agreement unless both sides make concessions.
That's a fact, that's true, and virtually any negotiation. If not,
it's just called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender.
So both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there
be of me going on a program and tell you
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we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
must do this and you must do that. It's only
make it's only gonna make it harder and less likely
that they're going to agree to these things. So these negotiations,
as much as everyone would love it to be a live,
pay per view event, these discussions only work best when
they are conducted privately. In negotiating serious negotiations in which
people who have to go back and bond to constituencies.
(11:02):
Because even if thelitarian governments have constituencies they have to
respond to people have to go back and defend these
agreements that they make and so figure out a way
to explain them to people. So we need to create
space for concessions to be made. But of course the
concessions were asked.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Of course concessions were asked. We work and do these
discussions in private. Isn't it amazing how the media they
believe they're so important that they should be in the
middle of negotiations between Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and the
United States of America. Leave it to the liberal media
to act like this while also hoping that the president fails.
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The good news is the meetings are continuing, and it
looks like President Trump is getting closer to peace, certainly
than anyone else has been able to do in the
rest of the world. Now, Center Cruz and I sat
down to break down even more about this meeting that
happened between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Anchorage, Alaska,
and I want you to hear what he had to
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say about what this means for the Senate, the House,
and Washington, d C. Especially the meeting coming up with
Zelensky at the White House. Take a listen, all right,
So let's start at the beginning of this meeting. The
first thing that made people lose their minds was the
fact that Donald Trump shook hands with Vladimir Putin and
they smiled at one another. And that was when, like
the entire media just erupted with I can't even believe
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that they're touching each other and shaking hands. It is
truly incredible to watch the meltdown.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
You know, it is astonishing how the corporate media and
the Democrats are rooting for America to fail. They want
the president to fail. They hate President Trump so much
that actually seeing him succeed in ending this war would
be intolerable to the left that hates him so much.
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And listen, I don't know if he will succeed. This
is not easy. This was courageous to go and do
this meeting. There is a risk of failure. But if
we know anything about President Trump is that he is
afraid of very little unplanet Earth, and he's not afraid
of Vladimir Putin. And so he went, He invited him
to come to Alaska. He went and met one on one.
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He looked him in the eyes, and he made very
clear of this war needs to come to an end.
I want you to give a listen to what President
Trump said about his meeting with Putin.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
We were together almost three hours and it was very
extensive and we agreed with a lot of points. I
mean a lot of points were agreed on, but there's
not that much. As you know, one or two pretty
significant items, but I think they can be reached. Now
it's really up to President Zolynsky to get it done.
And I would also say the European nations they have
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to get involved a little bit. But it's up to
Presidents Olynsky. I think we are and if they'd like,
I'll be at that next meeting. They're going to set
up a meeting now between Presidents Olynsky and President Putin
and myself. I guess you know, I didn't even I
didn't ask you about it. Not that I want to
be there, but I want to make sure it gets done,
and we have a pretty good chance of getting it done.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If he described it as a pretty good chance of
getting it done. Part of this is the economics, and
that's something centered that a lot of people have not
been talking about. This war is costing Russia a lot
of money, and they are a country that is very
poor at this point. They're teetering, some would say, economically,
and so there is a real chance that Vladimir Putin
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needs to get out of this from a financial standpoint.
That's part of what I think the President clearly was
talking to him about as well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I think that's right, and I believe the Ukraine War
will end, and it will end this year. That was
clearly something President Trump campaigned on. He was explicit to
the American people that he intended to end this war.
And listen, President Zelenski has been reluctant to reach a
peace deal because he wants to recover every square inch
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of Ukraine. Now, now I understand why he does. You
and I, if we we're president of Ukraine, we probably
want the same thing. But President Trump has been cleared
the United States is out of the business of funding
the war. That we have sent billions and billions of
dollars to Ukraine and the cash spigot has stopped, and
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I think that is a powerful incentive to President Zelenski
to reach an agreement. You were right that the war
has been incredibly costly on Russia. They have poured in
enormous money and material and manpower and soldiers who've been lost.
And what I've verged, the president is number one in
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the war, but number two end it in a way
that is a clear and discernible loss for Putin. Putin
is not our friend. Putin is our enemy. And we
do not want our enemy getting stronger. We want our
enemies getting weaker. And so my hope is the resolution.
There's going to be some kind of negotiated settlement. I
think it will be reached later this year. The follow
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up on Monday today, President Zelenski is scheduled to be
in Washington and meet with President Trump. That that'll be
the next step. And then the objective is to get
Zelenski and Putin together with President Trump and see it
see if we can make real progress to a resolution.
That is not going to be easy because Zelenski has
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not wanted to give anything up, and Putin UH generally
doesn't want to give anything up either. And and so
you've got two people that are pretty dug in in
their positions. But I think President Trump is trying to
move heaven and Earth UH to to stop the war,
to stop the shooting and stop the bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You talk about the next steps, and let's just go
to that meeting with Zelensky. I think it's pretty queer.
And a lot of people criticize in the media also
Democrats that Zelensky quote wasn't invited to this meeting, and
they wanted to hit the president on that. Look, Donald
Trump clearly need to get in the room with Ladimir Putin,
talk to Putin and probably be able to say some
things of Vladimir Putin without Zolensky in the room. There
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was no indication by the way that Vladimir Putin wanted
to meet with Zolensky, And if you look historically at
these deals, usually the person the country that brokers the
deal has a meeting with one side, first, has a
meeting with the other side, then they have that follow
up meeting that the President talked about. That has been
standard practice for decades and decades and decades, maybe even centuries.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Around the world.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And yet people wanted to criticize the present for using
this strategy, which has been proven to work. Well, I
think the President was smart here. You go to this
meeting with Zolenski, I'm assuming he's going to treat it
very much the same way he treated this meeting with
Vladimir Putin, except there is a difference. One's going to
be at the White House and one's in Alaska. So
I think that also plays out well in the President's favor,
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with with Zolenski saying, hey, I'm showing your respect. I
want to get this deal done. You need to stop
the killing for your people. Well that's coming in, I
think with a smart idea and strategy.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Your reaction, well, look, President Trump, before the meeting in Alaska,
he was explicit. He said he wanted to see if
Putin is willing to make a deal to reach a resolution.
And he was also explicit and he said if if
Putin is not, Trump was perfectly prepared to get up
and leave and and and remember that that's what President
Reagan did when when he met with Mikhail Gorbachev in Raykevic,
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and Gorbachev was not willing to reach a deal. In particular,
Gorbachev wanted Reagan to give up SDI, the Strategic Defense initiative,
which was Star Wars, it was missile defense, and Reagan
was not willing to give it up. And Reagan got
up from the table and left and walked out. And
I'll tell you his leaving that negotiation was was a
(18:47):
critical element of winning the Cold War because the Soviet
Union they did not have the economy to support the
military build up. They needed to keep up with SDI
to keep up with our military, and we ultimately won
the Cold War without firing a shot. I think President
Trump did a good job of setting expectations. And I
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wasn't in the room with with with Trump and and Putin,
but I assume he looked at him flat out and said, listen,
are you willing to reach a deal or not, and
the answer was satisfactory enough that that Trump stayed and
continued the meeting. I think that's a step forward. It's
a positive step forward. And you know the left is contemptuous,
(19:28):
but I want you to listen to this exchange with
Brett Bhaer. We asked her, asked Trump about Hillary Clinton,
give a listen.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
In fact, did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said
that if you got this deal done and not capitulate
to Putin, that she would nominate you for the Nobel
Peace Prize.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate
him for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Well, that was very nice. I may have to start
liking her again.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Just made me laugh, like when I watched it, because
I think he was even like really like Hillary Clinton
noticed she had a caveat in there. If it's without capitulating, right,
if there's always a caveat.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
With Dems, well and and and that's their wiggle language.
She said, and not capitulate to Putin. So whatever the
deal is, if if Putin gets anything at all, Hillary
will said nope, Nope, that was capitulating. So I didn't
mean it. I'm not nominating him, but but that may
be a quote that that that she and the other
Democrats come back to regret because I think there's going
to be a deal. Uh. And if there is a deal,
(20:33):
you can be assured that quote is going to be
played multiple times. And and and and if if the
President negotiates the deal, she'll try to walk away from
it one hundred percent. She tries to walk away from it.
But but but it shows you know, she's rooting for
failure and and and the other Democrats are are rooting
for failure. But and a significant part of the reason
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understand this war in Ukraine should never have happened. It
was unnecessary. This war in Ukraine was caused by two things.
It was caused by number one, Joe Biden's disastrous withdraw
in Afghanistan. The incompetence, the debacle that unfolded. Every enemy
of America took a measure of President Biden and determined
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that the commander in chief was weak and ineffective. That
was a major reason Putin invaded Ukraine. And it was
caused secondly by Joe Biden waiving sanctions on Nordstream two.
Nordstream two is the undersea pipeline that Putin built from
Russia to Germany. And the reason he built that pipeline
to carry natural gas was to circumvent Ukraine, because right
(21:40):
now Russia's natural gas goes through Ukraine on pipelines, and
the purpose of Nordstream two was so that he didn't
need to go through Ukraine and he could invade Ukraine.
In the first term, I authored sanctions legislation, crushing sanctioned
legislation to shut down Nordstream two. It passed the Senate
with bipartisan support, It passed the House with bipartisan support.
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President Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, and Ben
Putin stopped construction of Nordstream to Literally the day President
Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law, that legislation stopped
the invasion, prevented the invasion, and had the sanctions remained
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in place, we would not have a war in Ukraine.
But Joe Biden came in and waived the sanctions. He
gave a multi billion dollar gift to Putin, finished Nordstream
two and almost immediately thereafter invaded. And by the way,
it's not just me saying this, give a listen to
Putin saying this same point. Which is that the war
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in Ukraine would never have happened if Trump had been
president in twenty twenty one. Give a listen.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
I'd like to remind you that in twenty twenty two,
during the last contact with a previous administration, I tried
to vince my previous American colleague should not the situation
should not be brought to the point of no return
when it would come to hostilities, and I said it
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quite directly back then.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's a big mistake.
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Today when President Trump saying that if he was the
president back then, there will be no more and I'm
I'm quite sure that it would indeed be, so I
can't confirm that. I think that overall, me and President
Trump have built a very good, business like and trustworthy contact,
(23:40):
and I have every reason to believe that moving down
this path, we can come and the suited better to
the end of the conflict in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean, he said it there.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I also think you said it because he's probably messing
with our media a little bit, which I love. It's like,
you guys are idiots and you're wrong, and if you
knew what was actually going on, you tell the truth.
It's pretty bad when even Putin knows how to just
call out the media.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Look, and and the media actually behaves like Pravda, behaves
like the Soviet media, except they they pitched the hard left,
pullit borrow line, and so as a result, they blame
everything on President Trump. But understand, Joe Biden, the Democrats
(24:28):
caused wars. They caused the war in Ukraine, and I
believe about Biden's weakness caused the war in Gaza, caused
October seventh. Uh And the world is safer, We have
fewer wars when we have a strong commander in chief
and President Trump is working, I think, very hard to
end this war. Now, one big question is is Zelenski
(24:51):
willing to make a deal. And President Trump had some
very straightforward advice to President Zelensky. Give a listen, what's your.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Advice is to make a deal.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Make the deal.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Got to make a deal.
Speaker 10 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Look, Russia is a very big power, and they're not
They're great soldiers and they have great but you know.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
They also had the best equipment. You know, they had
our equipment, and I gave them javelins.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
If you remember my first term, in fact, it was
a statement I gave javelins. You remember the statement I
gave javelins and Obama gave because it was Obama at
that time.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Obama gave them sheets. And that's true.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I gave javelins, and a lot of tanks were knocked
out because.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Of the javelins. The javelins incredible weapon. It's a tank.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
You know, you look at this big, powerful tank, it
ends up being a ball of metal lying on the
ground and burning. I'd never say anything like it. We
have the greatest military equipment in the world. But they
did have courage in fighting, and you know, they're fighting
a big war machine.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
And we.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I think are close to a deal, but I won't.
I don't like saying it. I always say if I'm
really close, I say fifty to.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Fifty, fifty to fifty, right. I love how he says that.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yep, yeah, Look, and this was President Trump also made
clear that Biden is the one who screwed this up,
and he's coming in now and he's trying to fix
the mess that Joe Biden, the Democrats weakness caused. Here's
how the President put it.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
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right next to him and talking about how Joe Biden
screwed all this up and he inherited this mess.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
Nineteen eighty six, Reagan walks away from Raykovic with Gorbachev
and it was a strong moment. I mean, you could
foresee if it goes down a bad path, you get
up and walk away.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I'm not doing it based on history, based on anything else.
I'm doing it based on a deal. If we make
a deal, great.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
If I see that there's no hope of making a deal,
I'm out of there.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's over.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm out of there.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
This isn't my war, this is Biden's war.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
This is Biden screwed this up, just like he did
with Afghanistan, with that horrible retreat, and of the way.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
He did it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll never forget it. He'll never forget it.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, and neither will the the soldiers and sailors and
airmen and marines who fought in Afghanistan, who bled, who
lost brothers and sisters there, every veteran of that war.
Biden's disastrous with retreat is indelibly marked under their conscious.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Final question for you on this, if you were meeting
with Zolensky about getting this deal done, what would you
say to him? What would your advice be, and and
how would you see this thing ending if you could
do it your way?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, look, my advice would be the same as as
what President Trump's was, which is make a deal. It's
got to be a negotiated settlement. So Lincy's not going
to get everything he wants. But it is important that
that Ukraine have an outcome where their security is protected.
And that's one thing that that's one thing that is striking.
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Putin acknowledged that that was a real concession that Putin
said there needs to be an outcome where Ukraine's security
is protected. I also think it is important that the
resolution of this continues to leave nord Stream too shut down.
When I'm meeting with with our European allies, and I
do so frequently, a question I posed to them over
(30:26):
and over again, as I say, listen, when the war
in Ukraine ends, who are you going to buy your
energy from? Are you going to buy your energy from
Russia or are you going to buy it from the
United States? Because I would like to see a resolution
to this war that is America first, that puts America first.
I'd like to see Europe buying their energy from US
and not enriching Putin. And so that's an outcome that
(30:48):
I think is very much in America's view. But I
want you to listen to Putin I want you to
listen to Putin acknowledging the importance of an outcome that
protects the security of Ukraine.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Give a listen, and I agree with President Trump as
he has said today it naturally the security of Ukraine
should be insured as well. Naturally we're prepared to welcome that.
I like to hope that the agreement that we've reached
together will help us bring close to that goal and
will pay the path towards peace from Ukraine. We expect
(31:23):
that Kiev and European capitals will perceive that constructively and
that they won't throw a ranch in the words.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Two things there.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
One, he says it clearly the security of Ukraine should
be insured. Now I think this goes back to trust
but verify, right, But at least he's saying that.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Absolutely. We should not take Putin at his word for that.
But it's better that he says it then than he doesn't,
and then you hear him at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It does seem to be that he's is talking in
a way you would talk if you're winding things down.
I think you have to read into that a little
bit and say, okay, this is not a thing either.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, Look, if he was hell bent on continuing the
war and trying to conquer all of Ukraine. He wouldn't
say we need to ensure that the security of Ukraine
is protected now. He also said and that the Europeans
shouldn't throw a wrench into it. And one of the
real questions is is there have been some in Europe,
(32:23):
and there have been a number of Democrats who've advocated
that Ukraine be a member of NATO. I think that
would be a real mistake. I've been vocal opposing that.
President Trump has been explicit he opposes that. And the
reason is NATO. Under Article five of NATO, when a
country becomes a member of NATO, the other members take
an obligation to defend it in the case of war.
(32:46):
And I have zero interest in putting American troops in
harm's way defending Ukraine. And and so I think inviting
Ukraine to NATO would be a bad mistake. President Trump
has made that clar and I think that's what Putin
was saying there as well, is that that would do
real damage to the prospects of peace. And so I'm
(33:08):
glad that President Trump has taking that off the table.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
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