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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The New York Times is finally waking up to corruption
in Ukraine, as officials that met. Now, military contract money
has quote vanished. Now to be clear, this is your
tax dollars. As I've warned you for a couple of
years now, if you think that Russia is corrupt, you've

(00:21):
seen nothing compared to how corrupt it is in Ukraine.
Russians actually have talked for decades about how corrupt Ukraine is,
and they're not the only one. There have been many
other world leaders that have been warning the US you
might not want to be sending all the money you're
sending to Ukraine because you're not actually helping them fight

(00:45):
the Russians as much as you're helping Ukrainian oligarchs get really,
really rich. Now, I went over to the border with
Ukraine and I went over and met with the leader
in Hungary. They have been dealing with the humanitarian crisis
that has been coming out of Ukraine and the millions

(01:06):
coming in too hungry, and then even going to other
parts of Europe. Victor Raban, who's the prime minister I
have a relationship with. We set down when I was
there just a couple of months ago, and he was
explaining to me just how corrupt the Ukrainian government is.
And this is under Zelenski, to be very clear. As

(01:30):
we were sitting there and talking about the cash and
the money, he would explain how the money was being funneled.
He would explain just how corrupt they were. And he
was explaining that the richest people in the Ukrainian government,
they're actually most of them aren't even in Ukraine all
that often. Right now, they're in Warsaw. They're hanging out
in Warsaw in five star hotels. They're hanging out in

(01:53):
Warsaw having a grand time. And while they're in Warsaw
in these five star hotels, they're counting their money. They're
funneling their money. They're making money because every time we
send billions more to Ukraine, they're cashing out. War is
good for the oligarchs in Ukraine. War is good for

(02:15):
the corruption in Ukraine because when there's war, it's very
hard to follow the money. So, in a potential sign
of shifting attitudes on how the war in Ukraine has
covered in the legacy media, the New York Times is
starting to slowly acknowledge the endemic corruption that has been

(02:36):
a defining feature of the former Soviet state, as officials
have now admitted that the money for military contracts has
quote vanished following the dismissal of the Ukrainian Defense Minister
amid a slew of corruption scandals surrounding the war efforts
against Russia, The New York Times acknowledge that the enduring

(03:00):
challenges a corruption Ukraine, their words, has emerged as a
rare area of criticism of President Zolensky's leadership. A rare
area of criticism. I love how they describe that right,
like he's doing everything else right, except all the money
you're sitting him is not getting the battlefield. That's what
they're telling you here with their corruption. You should be
angry when I say it this way. You should be

(03:22):
angry the fact that they are even saying it and
still trying to give Zolensky accolades. Now, you got to
understand something about Zelensky. Zelensky isn't some great military warrior
or leader. He's a former actor. He's an actor. While
the country is under siege, it was listening to concerts

(03:42):
and having world stars come over and meeting with world leaders,
begging for more money for his corrupt government to then
funnel into their own personal bank accounts and for them
and their families to live in warsaw in five star hotels.
Zolensky is the guy that's on all the Grammys, the
Emmys and everything else, right, every award show. It's the

(04:03):
guy that's going around the world and fake military fatigues.
They're really not even real military fatigues, they're fake. Right.
He has a stylist that helps him get his image.
You may remember that Zolensky when he met with Donald Trump,
he wore a suit like a normal world leader. But
when you have a chance to look like you're under siege,

(04:23):
you wear military esque type clothing, fake military fatigues, and
you wear them without even a patch on there the
country that you're representing. It makes it look like your
world war torn country desperately needs cash. It makes it
look like you're a strong leader. And that's the reason
why the media is refused to criticize him, right, because

(04:47):
he's the hero and Vladimir Putin is the villain, which
may actually not be the case. There's actually a chance
that they're both in many ways villains, but of course
you can't tell the mainstream media that because if you
don't virtue signal and back Ukraine and the war against
the evil villain Vladimir Putin, then you're an evil person.

(05:07):
That's how the media treats you. And that's exactly why
The New York Times has put it this way, with
a big caveat, a big pause, right, and enduring challenge
it the enduring challenge of corruption in Ukraine has quote
emerged as a rare area of criticism, a rare area
of criticism. Well, if the entire funding for the war

(05:28):
effort is the war effort, and the entire war effort
is dealing with corruption and money that has vanished that
was supposed to go to fighting the Russians, then why
would you refer to this as a rare area of criticism.
Why wouldn't you refer to it as what it actually is,
which is the entire thing is a complete ruse. Now,

(05:51):
although the Defense Minister has yet to be tried or
charged or tied with any of the corruption scandals quote
unquote personally, the Ukrainian government says, The Times went on
to admit that the resignation has elevated the issue to
the highest level of Ukrainian politics. Unnamed Ukrainian officials even

(06:13):
told The New York Times that some funds intended for
military contracts failed to produce weaponry or ammunition, and that
some money has quote vanished well, claiming that the issue
was merely confined to the early days of the war,
because of course they're gonna say, all right, well, they
just stole a bunch of money early on, but now
the money's really working there, we promise, right right, we promise.

(06:38):
The neoliberal outlet has previous been previously been king to
highlighting claims from the Biden administration on how the Violensky
government has been committed quote unquote to fighting corruption. Remember
this is the same government that you're supposed to believe
was trying to fight corruption when they fired a prosecutor
who was actually fighting corruption, corruption with barisma and corruption

(07:04):
that was tied to the president of the United States
of America. And remember the corruption got the bidens ten
billion dollars ten billion or excuse me, let me rephrase
that ten million. Sorry, I want to make sure I
get that right, so no one freaks out. Ten million
dollars is how much the Bidence got off of that deal.

(07:24):
The Zelenski government is not committed to fighting corruption. If
they were, they wouldn't have allowed that prosecutor that was
going after corruption Ukraine to be fired and then the
mind to be funneled back to the Bidens. Now, the
New York Times says, well, they're working on fighting corruption.
They cited as evidence statements from officials such as veteran

(07:44):
Washington insider enacting Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuwan, who
played a pivotal role in the revolution Ukraine that saw
the overthrow of democratically elected President Victor in two thousand
and fourteen. Despite the nine senior government officials being sacked

(08:08):
over allegations of corruption, not one, not two, not three,
not four, not five, not six, on seven and eight,
but nine senior government officials who've been sacked over corruption allegations,
including purchasing military food supplies at vastly inflated prices to
look up their friends and taking luxury vacations while the
war was going on. The paper went on to write

(08:29):
in January that corruption quote has otherwise not been a
significant factor in the war. That's what the New York
Time set. In fact, they even went on to say
this back in January, despite Russian propaganda claims to the
contrary that are aimed at undermining his Zolenski's government. See,
Russia's been telling people how corrupt Ukraine is. And when

(08:51):
they do it, immediately the paper says The New York
Times and the lefties are like, oh no, no, that's propaganda.
That's all it is. It's just propaganda, calmed down, Okay,
it's propaganda. Ukraine corruption scandal deepens. Another headline reads, as
Zelenski sacks string of officials. The proclamation for The New

(09:12):
York Times age poorly. By the way, if you go
back just to January. Just days later, there was a
report that came out Transparency International gave Ukraine a score
of thirty three out of one hundred, and it's annual
Corruption Perception Index known as the CPI, ranking one hundred
and sixteenth in the world and the second lowis in

(09:33):
all of Europe, only behind Russia. What did I tell
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of the one hundred and thirteen billion in American taxpayer

(11:20):
dollars that we've sent to Ukraine following Russia's invasion, The
Republican Ledhouse Oversight Committee went on to note in February,
and this is their exact words back in February, that
the Ukrainian government officials allegedly engaged in bribery, used government
vehicles for personal use, and purchase inflated food supplies for

(11:43):
Ukrainian forces. Why for kickbacks? Why were they doing this?
And if we know this back in February, why did
it take this long for the New York Times cover
it since we're now in September. It's because they didn't
want anybody to know what was actually happening. They didn't
want anybody to talk about it. They didn't want it

(12:04):
to be an issue. They didn't want to have the
conversation we're having right now because at that point. Remember,
we were obsessed with a guy wearing fake military fatigues
named Zelensky who could do no wrong, right because he's good.
We've decided it war's good, right for the Democratic Party
right now, and Russia is bad. And that's just the
narrative we're going to stick with now. Since that warning

(12:26):
back in January and February, corruption scandals surrounding the war
effort have continued to emerge. Last month, for example, every
single head of regional recruitment offices throughout Ukraine was fired,
every single one of them, amid allegations of widespread bribery
of officials from those seeking to avoid conscription into the

(12:49):
war quote unquote. Two weeks later, first Deputy Minister of
Policy and Food and another government individual another unnamed quote
economic minister, were sacked on suspicions of misappropriating one point
six eight million in government funds. Following the ousting of

(13:14):
the Defense minister on Monday, the New York Times acknowledge
that although there have yet to be specific allegations of
corruption involving American funding, that's their caveat here. The nature
of graft in the country has shifted from its traditional
avenues of exploiting state run enterprises to a focus on

(13:34):
war profiteering as billions pour into the country from abroad.
That's the words the New York Times. Speaking of the paper,
the executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Center in
Ukraine said, the question here is where is the money. Literally,
corruption can kill. She added, depending on how effective we
are in guarding the public funds the soldiers, we either

(13:57):
have a weapon or not have a weapon. This on
top of the fact that two high ranking government officials
have been embroiled in a corruption scandal and found to
have misappropriated one point six million in funds that no
one can find. The New York Times went on to
claim on Monday that there is a shifting mood within
Ukraine on the issue, which the paper said was mostly

(14:19):
taboo throughout the first year of the war as Ukrainians
rallied around their government in a fight for national survival.
The corruption scandals are nonetheless piercing the sense of unquestioning
support for the government the Ukrainians had exhibited throughout the
first year of Russia's full scale invasion. The critical reporting

(14:44):
of the issue of corruption Ukraine from The New York
Times may signal what many believe is a shift in
attitude overall towards the war and perhaps the Biden administration's
strategy of dumping weapons, hardware, and massive cachet of money
into the conflict and into the hands of people who
are clearly stealing the money. The White House is currently

(15:07):
trying to convince Congress, however, to greenlight an additional twenty
four billion an A to the country. However, elections loom
and more voters are now questioning the extent of our
involvement and why there's so many problems are still unresolved there,
as well as so many issues and problems here in

(15:28):
this country. Now, I go back to what I said
at the very beginning of this conversation. This is corruption
at the highest level. This is corruption at a level
that is not shocking. I think that's another point that
needs to be made. This is corruption that has been

(15:52):
known about, especially if you went and set with anybody
in Ukraine or outside of Ukraine, anybody around there, and
let me just tell you this. This is corruption. Okay,
that is obvious. This is corruption that everybody knows is
happening in broad daylight. So you're sending money and they're
stealing the money. You send more money and they steal

(16:14):
more money. You send more money and they steal even
more money. You get the trend here, right, It's pretty simple.
You send money, they steal money. You send money, they
steal money. You send more money, they steal more money.
You send bigger checks. They steal even more money in
bigger checks. This has been consistent. Okay, this has been

(16:35):
transparent from the very beginning. This has been something that
has been going on now and everybody knows it's happening.
Everybody can witness that it's happening. Everybody can watch it happening.
Everybody knows that it's happening. And yet we're still sending
the money because if you don't send the money, it's like, woh, well,
then you're in favor of Russia. And this is what
virtue signaling does right now with this administration, with this

(17:01):
media and around the world. If you asked any questions
over the last year, year and a half of what's
going on in Ukraine, and they would say that you
are a sympathizer. They would say that you are a
Russian sympathizer. That's what they would say. They would say

(17:21):
that you are a Russian sympathizer, and you're backing Vladimir Putin.
If you ask questions in this country, okay, in our government,
they would immediately come after you and they would say
you are a sympathizer. You are a Russian sympathizer. No,

(17:42):
I'm not. I absolutely hate Vladimir Putin, I can't stand him.
But I'm also not an idiot. And I also know
that there's serious and significant corruption, serious corruption that has
taking place in Ukraine long before this war ever happened.

(18:06):
And that is the point that everybody needs to understand.
This isn't new, this is normal. There's only one country
that ranks lower when it comes or higher when it
comes to corruption than Russia, and that's Ukraine in that
corruption report that came out. So like, if you think
that Russia is corrupt, then you've seen nothing until you

(18:27):
look at Ukraine. And that's been that way for decades.
And everybody knows it, folks, Okay, everybody knows that, So
why the hell are we seeing them? In essence, Plank
checks there's also those audio recordings. We talked about this
a few weeks ago. Apparently there's multi recordings that apparently

(18:48):
the government may actually have the FBI may have these recordings,
and on these recordings the man who owned Barrisma that
Russian oligarch, corrupt Russian oligarch, just like all the others
we've been talking about this morning, recorded phone calls between
him and Hunter Biden and apparently some conversations he had
with Joe Biden. Why did he do this? That is

(19:09):
the I'm covering my aaass if you ever turn on
me strategy. By the way, it's smart strategy. I don't
blame the guy for doing this. It's a brilliant move.
So why is it that Joe Biden is still defending
sending billions of dollars to Ukraine instead of it going
to Americans who actually need it, by the way, like

(19:29):
those in Hawaii for example. Well here's what the President
had to say, is he laughed it off the question
over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Mister Biden, you're sending all this money to Ukraine, but
there's Americans that are suffering at home.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Why come the money can't go here to war? Money's
going to America and ever before number one and number two.
If we don't do somebody, Ukraine and Americans are gonna
be fighting a war in Europe.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
All right, doctor Biden, all this money going to your Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
What about Americans at right now?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
What about Americans at home, doctor Biden?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So Joe Biden just said, if we don't send money now,
then Americans are going to be fighting a war in Europe.
That's an escalation, by the way, right, that's a pretty
big escalation. So you better let me send this money.
And if you don't, I may send your sons and
daughters or the non binary people right to Ukraine to

(20:24):
fight against Russia. Even CNN right now it's finally starting
to get their head out of their ables's and they're
reporting on the corruption. Listen more.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
First, let's talk about this decision. Why has Alensky dropped
his defense minister All we understand ow it was that
this came at the request of Oleski Restakov, who's been
widely praised for what he's done over the last eighteen months,
the pretty firm record that he's shown in a very
difficult job. But also this is about aready drawing a

(20:59):
line against some of those scandals that we've seen, corruption allegations,
investigations that have gone on, procurement scandals that have emerged.
Many of them. I think it's important to note that
had to do with the early days of the war
with Ukrainian taxpayers money with Ukrainian weapons, but that have
still jogged the image of the country, not just as
it seeks to get more weapons from its Western allies,

(21:21):
but of course more broadly audios Ukraine looks to joining
NATO at some point and it's more fundamental aim of
being able to join the European Union. So Kiev has
been at pains to show that it is cracking down
on these corruption allegations, taking them extremely seriously, dealing with them,
and whilst Alexi Resnikov has not been tainted by them
at all. This really allows them to draw a line,

(21:42):
even as the rest are being made and investigations who
are being drawn to a close, to draw a line
under those first eighteen months of the war. Now, the
man taking over a crimean Tatar Ristam Umarov, who's widely
seen as a safe pair of hands. This is a
man who has a after all, been involved in several
prisoner swaps throughout the war. He's a businessman who's also

(22:05):
been involved in the Black Sea Grain initiative and is
wide he's seen there as a very complete man to
take over. Let's be clear what must be arguably one
of the hardest jobs in the world going forward. As
you said the nineteenth months of this war, it isn't
just about sustaining the war effort and getting Ukrainian weapons
up and going. It is also of course about holding
the Alliance together and keeping momentum there from Western Alliance

(22:28):
members who at this point are also getting extremely tired of.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
This war out. Wellisa, before I let you go, what
does this mean for this counter offense have we've been
hearing about so much?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, this is going to be important because again, this
is a man who's going to take over. When they're
looking to get the weapons that will help feed this
counter offensive that is making progress to the south of
zabricha small assault units that are heading down trying to
extend the bridgehead to the south of Verbotna, that one
village that has been recaptured, and it is significant because
it does give them momentum and allow them to look
further southwards in their aims getting the right weaponry to

(23:02):
what will be a bigger soul down there as they
seek to draw Russian and eat frontline troops from elsewhere
along the front line will be crucial, and there is
the next weeks and months that will be really significant
and important to making this happen out here Melium.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Now you hear part of the propaganda there. Well, we
still have to stay focused on this. And there's no
indication that the Defense minister, right, there's no indication he's
actually don anything wrong. They wouldn't have fired him if
you wouldn't have done something wrong, Okay, they wouldn't have
fired him in candem. And they're like, well, they're really
trying to show they're acting and they're moving forward on this,
and they're moving forward quickly, and they're acting quickly on this.

(23:36):
I'm sorry I got to say bs on that one.
The only reason why this is now happening is because
people are reporting on it for months on end, and
the story hasn't disappeared. That's the part that you need
to understand about this. They're not doing any of this
now because they're trying to get rid of corruption. They're

(24:00):
trying to do it now. A better way of putting
it is to keep the money flowing. I'm sure Zolensky's
looking at these guys going, hey, there's tony articles about
corruption here, I'm afraid the billions are gonna stop flowing. Guys.
We all got to get paid, Okay, we all got
to make our money. So the way that we're gonna
make our money is me me sacking some of you. Guys.
Don't worry, you're still good. This is nothing but a

(24:23):
PR play, plain and simple. It's a PR play. It's
a simple PR play. It's a smart Let me also
say this, it is a very smart PR play. Okay,
it's a brilliant PR move. It's a PR move that
we need it, right, if you're Zolensky and his team,

(24:44):
A right, look, things are, we're getting these articles. We
got to look like we're cleaning this crap up so
that they keep saying it's the money. By the way,
I'm sure there's some Democrats in Washington, d C. I'm
sure of that. I have no doubt in my mind.
Okay that there are some Democrats in DC and are
probably saying, hey, heads up, you guys are gonna have

(25:05):
a hard time getting more cash out of the US
if you guys don't look like you're doing something on corruption, Like,
heads up, this is what's happening. You need to understand it.
That's my gut here. I feel pretty confident that there
are even maybe people in the White House who are saying, hey,
you guys have got to look like you're fixing some
of these problems. Because if you don't look like you're
fixing these problems, we're gonna have a hard time convincing

(25:28):
for another one hundred billion to come your way, another
fifty billion to come your way, another seventy five billion
to come your way, It's gonna be tough. So we
need you to work on this real quick. I have
no doubt that's what this is all about. Please take
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(25:51):
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