October 22, 2025 • 39 mins
1. DOJ Subpoenas and Alleged Political Surveillance
- Senator Cruz reveals that Jack Smith, Special Counsel under the Biden DOJ, subpoenaed his phone records as part of an investigation into events surrounding January 6th.
- Cruz was not initially listed among the nine Republican senators whose records were obtained because his phone provider, AT&T, refused to comply with the subpoena, citing constitutional protections under the Speech and Debate Clause.
- The DOJ reportedly obtained records from Verizon for other senators, including Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Hawley, and Lindsey Graham.
- Cruz and Ferguson characterize the subpoenas as a politically motivated fishing expedition, lacking criminal justification.
2. Concerns Over Abuse of Power
- Cruz argues this represents a dangerous precedent of the executive branch spying on legislative members.
- He calls for hearings and investigations to uncover who authorized the subpoenas and to prevent future abuses.
- The operation is referred to as “Arctic Frost”, which Cruz likens to a modern-day Watergate.
3. Meeting with Donald Trump at the White House
- Cruz recounts a lunch with Trump and other Republican senators, where Trump showcased renovations to the Rose Garden and plans for a new ballroom.
- The upgrades are privately funded, not taxpayer-funded, yet have drawn criticism from Democrats.
- Trump also distributed personalized gifts (e.g., challenge coins, golf towels, M&Ms) and joked about naming a room the “Monica Lewinsky Room.”
4. Government Shutdown
- Cruz discusses the ongoing government shutdown, blaming Democrats for refusing to vote to reopen.
- He notes that only three Democrats have supported reopening efforts, despite impacts on TSA agents and air traffic controllers.
- He predicts that retiring Democrats may eventually break ranks to end the shutdown.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in as verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
with you and Center. We've got to break some news here.
Apparently I was spied on because I texted you during
a period when you were spied on, which means I
was spied on. I feel like my name should be
in this A little bit here. We thought it would happen,
it came out. It's real. Congratulations. They really wanted to
(00:24):
see what you were texting, and I think they're going
to be highly disappointed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Look, I think my texts are pretty damn amusing, and
I'm sorry you have no sense of humor. I need
to text you more about when Ole Miss doesn't win
a football game. But you're right. The news broke. The
news break broke in the last couple of days that
the Biden Department of Justice Jack Smith, issued a subpoena
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spying on me, trying to get information about my cell phone,
about communications I was having, about voicemails, about text all
the information they could from my subpoena. That now makes
nine Republican senators that the Biden DOJ issued subpoenas and
tried to get their cell phone records. We're gonna break
(01:11):
that down. We're gonna talk about what an extraordinary abuse
of power, this is, what a nakedly political action it is.
We're gonna break all that down for you. We're also
going to talk about I spent about two hours with
President Trump at the Oval Office today at the White House.
He invited all the Republican Senators to have lunch with him.
We're going to talk to you about about everything that
(01:33):
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Speaker 2 (03:53):
Where were you when you found.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Out that you were spied on as part of Jacksmith's
investigation into Donald Trump. This clearly is a fishing expedition.
And what were you told? Have you been briefed on
this or you just getting to say mentel, we are
from reading it in the news.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So I found out about this last week. Last Thursday,
I got the information. And let's back up a couple
of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor and the Biden doj
that was going after January sixth, that was going after
President Trump had subpoenaed eight senators and one Republican house
(04:30):
member and had gotten their cell phone records. And the
eight senators who had been subpoenaed were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lumis, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
and Tommy Tubberville, and then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
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had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit, just over
a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
had dinner with Sean and and with with with several
of the the senators on that list as well, and
I was laughing with Sean. I was saying, I'm actually
kind of offended, like how did I get lift out
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of this list? Like what did I have to do?
You know? I was literally standing on the Senate floor
on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight. And I
had brought together eleven senators to stand together and fighting
for an election commission to assess the evidence of voter fraud,
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and including many of the senators who were subpoena were
in the group that I'd brought together. So I was
I was joking with Sean, but I wasn't entirely joking. Well,
it turns out the reason I was not on the
list is apparently all eight of those senators. Their cell
phones are with Verizon, and the evidence had come out
that Verizon had handed over their their their cell phone information. Well,
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my cell phone is with AT and T and I
didn't know it at the time, but I found out
lately last week that Jack Smith sent a subpoena at AT
and T demanding my cell phone records, and AT and
T told him to go jump in Lake h AT
and T did not give my cell phone records. I
really look. AT and T is based in Texas. I'm
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proud of them. They did the right thing. I appreciate that,
and they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
By the way, the subpoena called for quote, detailed records
for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
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voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
was you know this, this left wing judge has been
presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
had an order from Judge Boseburg ordering AT and T
you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
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phone information for a year.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
By the way, and you're sitting unin State Center, don't
tell him, we don't want him to know.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, And and so AT and T examined it, and
they actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way
it works, so the subpoena just comes and and they
get a cell phone number. So so so the Biden
DOJ didn't identify who they were seeking. And and by
the way, look, the telecom companies typically if they get
a subpoena for for phone records on a number, they
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typically hand it over because it's usually a drug dealer
or a criminal. You have a subpoena that's issued from
a grand jury, so so it it. They will routinely
in a criminal proceeding hand over. Uh, well, it's so
happened that that At and T. Even though they just
asked for the number, they looked and realized whose number
it was, and and and they talked with their legal
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team and and and they said, listen, what what Cruz
is saying is it and any member of Congress, what
they're saying is protected by the Speech and Bait Clause
of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the ability of Senators
and House members to engage in debate to do our jobs.
Article one of the Constitution vests all legislative power in
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the Congress. And in fact, you know, on January sixth,
it was very literally speech and debate. As I said,
I was standing on the Senate floor, Yeah, giving a
speech and raising an objection. So it's literally the heart
of what one does as an elected member of Congress.
And so at and T concluded, listen there, we're not
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going to comply. As I said, I'm grateful for At
and T doing that, but that now makes it nine
senators that we know of and one House.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
also at At and T and they probably said no,
we're not going to do that either, right, it would
be Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody
you're asking for. There could be easily, I would say,
another four, five, six others. Who knows how many outside
the Senate right that they could have asked for that
they could have said no to as well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I would assume there was a lot of people
on At and T.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, And look the Biden doj also after the Republican
Attorney General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This
was a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
(09:26):
January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
so it was twenty twenty two, So it was two
years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
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we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
in the United States Senate. And I got to say
for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
their political opponents and spying with let's be clear, none
(10:10):
of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right?
Like you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
In that scenario they were they were just, hey, we'll
just go after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Look. I don't know what they were hoping to find,
but but but they were asking for the cell phone
records from from January fourth to January seventh, so all
surrounding January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some
some monica of coordination, uh with with with those who
engage in active violence on that day. Part of their
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theory was was the all alternate electors that were being
sent from various states. So I assumed they were looking
for some modicum of coordination there. But but this was
a political prosecution because they did not have evidence, and
so they said, well, let's let's go through their cell
phone records and see if we can find something. And
by the way, who knows if if if somebody had
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sent something stupid a text, had a voicemail, had you know,
I mean people, when you go through someone's emails, when
you go through someone's cell phones, when prosecutors go looking
for a crime, the nature of a phishing expedition is
let's go look around. You know, there's a book that
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was written decades ago, uh that that that that's called
three felonies a day. And it talks about how the
average American commits three felonies a day, that that in
our regulatory state, things are so complicated, things are so
mired in complexity that that that you can violate you know,
you step on a wetland than your backyard. And and
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and you know there's an old line that a prosecutor
can indict a ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor
goes in front of a grand jury. When a prosecutor
goes in front of a grand jury, you know, there's
no defense attorney there. It's just the prosecutor and members
of the grand jury. And so I don't know what
they were looking for. I think they were looking for
anything that could stick because this was a political prosecution.
(12:26):
Let me ask you this if and so Ben, I
just want to say, I'm really grateful they did not
find the pictures you send to me of you and
a pink too too, because I just think that it's
not criminal.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All the league jokes that I send you about the
Ivy League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up
going to one of those places that could have been
very bad for me.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I it you know it, it would have been And
I got to say, just the typos and misspellings that
that that you have in your text, that that alone
would have been a little bit bare too. So I'm
glad none of that.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
Like it's what was been really trying to say.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And I'm like, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I will tell you about as I talked to AT
and T today and I said, look, you guys got
to start a marketing campaign and shift to AT and T.
We'll we'll protect your stuff. Like yeah, we're like, who
knows to them? Look, I I don't have a good
answer to that. But but but but I did. Uh.
And I didn't know about this until just a few
days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
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I like, I was joking that I felt excluded, but
it wasn't entirely a joke. And and then I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense, and uh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And here we are.
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All right, final question on this, what is gonna be
the response from Congress? Will there be any to this
or is this just old administration abusive power?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We're gonna move on, or is there going to be
a way to make sure like we have standards of
this is not allowed to happen and that people are
held accountable for this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
we've we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I
think we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell
you the nine of us who were targeted, we're we're
talking to each other because we want to prevent this.
We want to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this,
from spying on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The
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executive doesn't have the ability to go engage in spying
on members of the opposing party in Congress. That is
an abuse of power. It is it is politicization and
that this higher effort. So so this prosecution was called
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Arctic Frost. And I think this is going to be
the Watergate of the Biden do o J. I think
it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was a partisan
prosecutor who was drunk on power and and and and
I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision on his own.
I think the decision making goes all the way up.
I think it goes up to the Attorney General. I
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think it goes up to the White House. And and
so I expect number one, some some real investigation and
hopefully transparency in terms of who approved let's go spy
on members of Congress and and and and and that
that I think we're going to work to have some
real transparency on and that. I think we're gonna look
at real and concrete steps we can take to make
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sure this never happens again, because this kind of there
is there.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A part of you that just thinks like maybe this
has just been going on and never really stopped. After
after you know, the the the the famous FBI director
that had you know, files on everybody, and people said, well,
we won't have that again. After Jagger. And now it's
like they're just like they wild West. You can do
what the hell you want to if you're a Democrat
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and you're in charge. Like we can spa in the present,
we can spy the campaigns. We can go after people
in this situation room and the trap them. We can
try to go after their busines, associates, and their kids
and get them to turn against them, like Eric Trump
was talking about that on our show the other day.
If you missed that show, people should go back and
listen to He's like they were literally trying to turn
Donald Trump's own children against him, threatening that your life's
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gonna be over and you're gonna be in jail, so
you better get a get out of jail free card.
And now it's like yeah, and we were also spying
on senators. I'm assuming some congressmen will come out like
who knows who's there? I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently
before assassination. It came out that he said during the campaign,
we either win the campaign or I may go to jail.
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I actually believe now witnessing what we've seen, that that's
not far off from reality at all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
Justice in the FBI. As you know, I wrote an
entire book entitled Justice Corrupted, How the Left is weaponized
our legal system, and it talked about it actually started
with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to do that. And
and you look at some of the some of the
hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice Department came up with,
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including creating underground stings to to to get people, uh,
to to get people on film taking drugs and with
prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and to go
after their political opponents. I mean, it was grotesque abuse
of power. And and and when when that came to light,
we actually saw an improvement. And there were a couple
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of decades where I think this this receded and occurred
far less. And and then what Richard Nixon tried to
do to the justice system, Barack Obama succeeded in doing.
He came in as this this almost messiah figure, and
and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
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You had lowist learner at the IRS. They began targeting
their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they disagreed with
and also protecting their friends. During the Trump administration the
first term, they went underground, but they waged war on
the president. These are the people that created fraudulent documents
submitted to the FISA Court in order to in order
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to try to go after President Trump. They wanted to
reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election because they
were furious that the American people elected Trump. And then
during Biden they were open, they were flagrant. They were
out in the open, and they were abusing their power,
and I think they felt that the ends justified the
means and anything was acceptable. And so I think we
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need to take real steps. Do I think this has
been going on forever and ever? I don't. I certainly
hope not. I'm not aware that it has. There is,
there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under Biden,
to to make it just as as viciously partisan as it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Wills came Yes, yeah, it will's came off, and no
one cared about the rules anymore. Clearly, it's it's incredible,
all right. So let's go to something else that is
obviously big. You were at the White House meeting with
the president. You guys are asked to come over and
check out the construction site that the left is losing
their minds over right now, By the way, can we
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just talk about that for a second before we get
every shut down this is hysterical. There have been multiple
presidents that, by the way, have done different things to
the White House. The majority of the time it's actually
paid for by tax payers. This time, this is being
paid for by Trump and donors, so it's not costing
taxpayers of dime. It's a huge improvement to the White
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House that every future president will be able to use.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And yet the lies that are out there is that
Donald Trump is like destroying the White House and he's
gone rogue and he's destroying America's house and it's gonna
cost you money while the government's shut down. There's there's
tons of Democrats out there putting it out there, going, oh,
so the government shutdown, but Donald Trump sting money on this,
implying that like this government shutdown doesn't involve his plans. Yeah,
because it's private money, you liars. So you were there,
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you saw it, and I'm sure it came up.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah. So so we President Trump invited all the Republican
senators Uh to come over. Uh. And and we came
and joined him. We had lunch with him.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
He served cheeseburgers and French fries. I gotta say the
cheeseburgers were really good. That there was actually a rumor
he was going to serve McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I was gonna say, was it McDonald's because he did
that before when there was a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah. Look, there was a rumor that is going to
serve McDonald's. And I think it is adder near the
anniversary of when he went to work at McDonald's restaurant,
which was one of the classic moments of the campaign
last year. Yeah, and so he did not serve McDonald's.
They were I think the White House chef made the
They were good cheeseburgers. They were actually they were quite good.
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And he was in as good a mood as I've
ever seen him. He was just happy. So we met
in the Rose Garden. And the Rose Garden it's right
off the Oval office and it is surrounded by rose bushes.
And it used to be like the ground was just
just a lawn and it was just grass. Yeah, and
it's interesting. The President talked about this quite a bit,
and you can actually watch it on TV. He was
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on TV and the cameras were there as he was talking.
But he's a builder. He's excited about this that there
was a joy as he was talking about this project.
And he said, look, the rose garden. The problem was
it was grass. When it rained, it would get muddy.
You'd do events here and you're trudging through the mud
and the grass. He said, you know women would be
there for this. Yeah, women would be there in expensive
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high heels. The high heels would be sinking into the mud,
they'd ruin their shoes, they would get upset. And so
what he did is is he built a patio instead.
So he did not you know, I was told not
a single rose was killed. The rose bushes are all there,
but instead of the grass in the middle, he built
a white marble patio that is matching the stone on
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the White House. So it's very much it's the same color,
it's the same theme.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It clearly ties in aesthetically.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And it's actually beautifully done. Like I was impressed. And like,
for example, around the patio there are a series of
drains and the way they built it, the drains are
an American flag where they have oh, I don't know,
probably at eight by eight ten x ten marble square
that is the stars, and then they have the same
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size marble squares that is a series of horizontal slits
that are the drains, but they have them alternating so
it's clearly American flags surrounding it. All. That's cool and
it's really elegant. It's very well done, and it gives
a place to go and sit, and it was today
was a beautiful fall day, so it was a great
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day to gather. And then the President is also building
a ballroom. You know, it's amazing. The White House does
not have a ballroom.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The biggest room in the White House is the East Room.
But the East Room is not that big, Like if
you're doing a seated dinner there, you can tight maybe
eighty people there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I've been in there for dinner.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It is I mean it's like it's tight, like there's
not a lot of room to mingle, much less dance.
And I don't think if you've never been to the
White House, I do think this is something that people
I think they think it's a lot bigger than it
really is. It's really not that big. When you go
in the West Wing, for example, it's extremely tight. The
offices are tiny for the senior staff, even the chief
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of staff, the White House Press office. Every office is
extremely It's like a closet with a door.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's the best way I can describe it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The East Wing, by the way, and one of my
dear friends worked for Laura Bush and in her office,
so I was over there a lot and actually go
see the dogs, and so that they always had the
dogs in the East wings, so like if you want
to break just to get away, we would go over
there and you'd give a treat, play the dog, throw
the ball outside on the White House lawn. But it
was also very tiny because it just it was not
built for what our government and is today. Even the
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size of the staff, like the White House, the First
Lady's staff was nothing. In the First Lady's role was
nothing compared to what it is in twenty twenty five.
So when they're like we're gonna expand this out on
the east side, it's like that makes sense, Like this
should have probably been done thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And there's a whole history of presidents going back more
than a century of making additions to the White House.
Adding the West Wing adding the oval office, adding the
second floor, adding an indoor swimming pool, and then Richard
Dixon filled the indoor swimming pool. It was actually very
Yeah look look.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
By the way, hold on, go back to the swimming
pool story. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah. So so Trump was telling the swimming swimming pool
story and he said, you know, when JFK was was president,
Jackie would come by and she'd say, wait, am I
here because this was an indoor swimming pool. Yeah, And
Jackie's like, am I hearing women? And Trump was saying
the Secret Service said no, no, no, ma'am, no, no, no,
there are no women in there. You have to move on.
And you know, it was it was a very funny,
like like like riff. And then when Nixon came in
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and he filled up the swimming pool and turned it
into the to the press briefing room. Yeah, and so
that's that's where the you know, the White House press
briefings are today is they're literally standing on top of
what used to be the indoor swimming pool. Those previous
many of those previous revisions use tax paramonney. Trump is
not using tax paramoney. The building the patio, uh was
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not done to.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
The American flag.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
He just put up the two big American flags he's
put up as a great example of that.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And the ballroom that they're the project is expected to
be over two hundred million dollars. It's going to be
a beautiful ballroom. They're they're building it. They're they're talking
about it being able to see six seven hundred people.
And and by the way, every subsequent president will use
that if you're doing a state dinner, if you're doing gathering,
the ability to host a larger gathering is is a
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very useful thing for a president to be able to do,
regardless of your party. I mean, it will be a
real and material improvement to the White House. And I
got to say, just listening to the President talk about it,
he's so out. He likes building things.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean, I mean that's roots like this is this
is him at a core well.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And then so we had a lunch and he was
talking about the shutdown. He was talking about everything that's
going on. And then afterwards he said, okay, and I
want to ask all you guys come on into the
Oval office with me and join me in the Oval.
So we had you know, there are fifty plus of
us there. So we all came into the Oval, which
is not that big, and we crowded around and and
Trump took us back to what he calls the Monica
(28:27):
Lewinsky Room. Yes, it's not complicated to figure out why
he calls that the Monica Lewinsky Room.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's now the Great Gift Shop, and that you cannot
buy anything in You're only gifted it directly from the President.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So so it's the room where where Bill Clinton was
alone and shall we say, stained the blue dress with Monica.
I have to admit I.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Love about you, say, shall we say? I like that?
That was nice?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I have to admit I was. I was tempted to
suggest to President Trump that he actually put up a
sign naming it the Monica Lewinsky Room. But but but
I haven't yet. I might suggest that to him, because
I actually think he there's a good chance he did,
by the way he created the Hall of Presidents along
the Rose Garden, where he has a photograph or of
every president. He starts with Washington, he's either a photograph
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or painting of every president going up to forty five
and forty seven, obviously both him, uh and in between
forty six. Instead of a picture of Joe Biden is
a picture of the Autopen, which is just hysterical, like
it's just it's that's the presidential picture along the Rose
Garden is the Autopen because that's uh, that's who who
was president for four years. So he invites us all
(29:37):
into the Oval and and he's and then he takes
everyone into the mind and the Monica leitskey room is
not very big. It's ten feet by ten feet. I mean,
I mean it's it's a little office right off the oval.
So it's down in like a really short hallway and
it's to the left and as he's basically put a
gift shop there, and he has all sorts of bling.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
All right, So if you're watching the video, here's one
of the blings. That's something that that he gave me
when I was there, and and like it's he's got
it's all this kind of stuff, and it's like and
then he and then I always like this one because
he always like he's like Ben, he goes give it,
make sure you get your kids taken care of. So
the presidential m and ms, he'll have those in they're
the best part is the eminem on the back that's
what my kids love the most. This just random tokens
(30:20):
on my desk here. By the way, the kids, if
you you know that, they don't care that much because
the eminem's are gone.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They're like, we're going to eat those. Yet I'm like,
all right, you might want to save the box.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So so, and he's got tons of hats. He's got
maga hats. He's got Trump twenty twenty eight, which he
was laughing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He says.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He says, this drives the press crazy. They just lose
their mind when when I have Trump twenty twenty eight.
He had cuff links and and he had and he
told every center take whatever you want, like just rab
whatever you want. It's all it's all free. He's paying
for it all. And so like I got there's a
very cool golf towel that they had that I just
got me one.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Thank you way to look out for your co host here.
I have preciate you getting me a golf towel. Because
you don't play golf. That means a lot. That means
a whole lot to me.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's a beautiful golf tow nice seal you are. It
has Donald Trump's signature, it's it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
By the way, I just want the audience to be clear,
he did not commit that that golf towel is for me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Keep going, okay, let's be clear.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know the answer to that. But what is funny?
And so Trump said, hey, grab whatever you want. He said,
I'll sign whatever you want. And he sat there for
thirty minutes at the resolute desk just signing stuff. Yeah,
and and what was funny. He was laughing. He made
this joke, but he's true. He said, it's amazing you
(31:39):
have like some stuff in the gift shop and suddenly
senators turn into five year old kids. I mean we
were literally lined up and being like, oh, that looks cool.
I'm gonna greet like people were grabbing.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's got his prov one golf balls he's very proud
of with the presidential still on there. He signed with
those for one of my boys. And his cuplings, by
the way, are truly incredible. You've got a pair, right,
I do. Yeah, I mean they're nice.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And he's got like challenge coins he's made that are
about this big. I mean they're probably three inches in diameter.
They're really cool. And I have two on of my desk,
but I will confess, so he keeps the challenge coins
on the resolute desk right there. I will confess I
snagged two of those because I'm gonna give one to
each of my daughters. I figured that would be kind
of a cool, you know, cool cool thing to bring
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back home.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
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one more question on the center's meeting today. Serious question,
and that is give us a real update on where
we are with a shutdown. We have the no King's Rally.
I think your prediction of mine are going to be
spot on. We're going to see some movement probably in
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the next five, six, seven days.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's my gut. You know more. You were there today,
What is it temperature? And where are we.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So look, it's hard to say. We keep voting. I
think we've voted eleven or twelve times to reopen the government.
The Republicans are voting to reopen the government. I've voted
over and over and over again to reopen the government.
And the Democrats are voting party line to keep the
government shut down. We've had to date only three Democrats
have voted to reopen the government. Everyone else has voted. Now. Now,
the reason that matters is is in order to pass
(35:33):
legislation funding the government, you need sixty votes in the
Senate under the Senate rules. If you can't get sixty votes,
you can't pass it. We only have fifty three Republicans.
That means we need at least seven Democrats. If we're
getting three Democrats, we don't have the votes. Now at
some point that is going to change. What's interesting is
it's not just the radical left. It's not just the
(35:55):
Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens who are voting to shut
the government down. It's not just Chuck Schumer who's terrified
of being primary by AOC. It's everybody else. It's people
who are claiming that they're moderates. They're voting to shut
the government down. John Ossoff, who is the most vulnerable
Democrat in the Senate. He's running in Georgia next year.
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John Osoff has voted eleven times to keep the government
shut down. It's very clear, even though Georgia is a
purple state, even though there are a lot of people
who are not happy that, by no stretch of the
imagination is Georgia a radical left state, and yet it's
clear Osoff is more afraid of the radicals at the
(36:36):
No King's rallies than he is of just ordinary people
living in Georgia. You know Mark Kelly, who says he
calls himself a moderate, he keeps voting to keep the
government shut down in order for this to change. What
you're ultimately going to see is seven eight to nine Democrats,
I think, mostly retiring Democrats who are no longer going
(36:58):
to face the voters, who are not worried about being primaried.
At some point they're gonna say enough is enough, let's
reopen the government. But I don't know if it's a
day or two. I don't know if it's weak or two.
I don't know. Look, we're having discussions that the things
could be shut down, you know, through Thanksgiving. One of
(37:18):
the challenges is we're so tribalized and divided right now
that I think the Democrats are listening to an echo
chamber of the radical base. Yeah, and their radical base
is happy with a shutdown.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So yeah, so they want to burn it down.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
They want this country to fall, they want there to
be a demise of our government, especially when they're not
in charge of it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
If they're not in charge of it, they want to
burn it down and listen.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
On Friday, I went to Hobby Airport in Houston and
I did a press conference there, and I pointed out
that right now, they're fifty thousand TSA agents are going
into work who are not getting paid. Right now, they're
fourteen thousand air traffic controllers who are going into work,
but they're not getting paid. And what we're seeing is
more and more delays. We're seeing flight cancelations. Hobby just
(38:05):
today had a ground stop because they said a shortage
of personnel air traffic controllers. And the Democrats, they don't care.
They're perfectly happy. One Democrat told Politico said, we'll keep
it shut down quote until planes start falling out of
the sky. Like that's how radicalized they are. And they
(38:27):
don't care about the government workers. They're mad at Trump
for paying the troops. And so look, I think at
some point sanity will prevail and they'll allow the lights
to be turned on. I'll tell you what I've advised
the president. You know, the President referred to Russ Russ Vote,
who's the head of OMB, the Office of Management and budget,
(38:48):
and he laughingly called Russ Darth Vader. He said, the
Democrats are terrified because Russ is using the shutdown to
permanently lay off left wing bureaucrats who were advancing programs
and priorities that the Democrats care about that are inconsistent
with the president's agenda. I think that's one of the
keys to ending this shutdown, is continuing to do that
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and so making it painful to the radical left because
they're losing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Their influence.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, and so this will end at some point. But
honest answer, Ben damned if I know.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
When interesting, don't forget. We'll cover it all here. We
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doing this show and the Center. I will see you
back here on Friday morning.
Welcome in as verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
with you and Center. We've got to break some news here.
Apparently I was spied on because I texted you during
a period when you were spied on, which means I
was spied on. I feel like my name should be
in this A little bit here. We thought it would happen,
it came out. It's real. Congratulations. They really wanted to
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see what you were texting, and I think they're going
to be highly disappointed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Look, I think my texts are pretty damn amusing, and
I'm sorry you have no sense of humor. I need
to text you more about when Ole Miss doesn't win
a football game. But you're right. The news broke. The
news break broke in the last couple of days that
the Biden Department of Justice Jack Smith, issued a subpoena
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spying on me, trying to get information about my cell phone,
about communications I was having, about voicemails, about text all
the information they could from my subpoena. That now makes
nine Republican senators that the Biden DOJ issued subpoenas and
tried to get their cell phone records. We're gonna break
(01:11):
that down. We're gonna talk about what an extraordinary abuse
of power, this is, what a nakedly political action it is.
We're gonna break all that down for you. We're also
going to talk about I spent about two hours with
President Trump at the Oval Office today at the White House.
He invited all the Republican Senators to have lunch with him.
We're going to talk to you about about everything that
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went on and what's going on. And by the way,
the Democrats losing their minds because President Trump is paying
to improve the White House and to make some really
significant additions to the White House. And apparently that that
that for the Democrats is is unspeakably horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it really is incredible.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
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Speaker 2 (03:53):
Where were you when you found.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Out that you were spied on as part of Jacksmith's
investigation into Donald Trump. This clearly is a fishing expedition.
And what were you told? Have you been briefed on
this or you just getting to say mentel, we are
from reading it in the news.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So I found out about this last week. Last Thursday,
I got the information. And let's back up a couple
of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor and the Biden doj
that was going after January sixth, that was going after
President Trump had subpoenaed eight senators and one Republican house
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member and had gotten their cell phone records. And the
eight senators who had been subpoenaed were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lumis, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
and Tommy Tubberville, and then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
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had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit, just over
a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
had dinner with Sean and and with with with several
of the the senators on that list as well, and
I was laughing with Sean. I was saying, I'm actually
kind of offended, like how did I get lift out
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of this list? Like what did I have to do?
You know? I was literally standing on the Senate floor
on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight. And I
had brought together eleven senators to stand together and fighting
for an election commission to assess the evidence of voter fraud,
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and including many of the senators who were subpoena were
in the group that I'd brought together. So I was
I was joking with Sean, but I wasn't entirely joking. Well,
it turns out the reason I was not on the
list is apparently all eight of those senators. Their cell
phones are with Verizon, and the evidence had come out
that Verizon had handed over their their their cell phone information. Well,
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my cell phone is with AT and T and I
didn't know it at the time, but I found out
lately last week that Jack Smith sent a subpoena at AT
and T demanding my cell phone records, and AT and
T told him to go jump in Lake h AT
and T did not give my cell phone records. I
really look. AT and T is based in Texas. I'm
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proud of them. They did the right thing. I appreciate that,
and they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
By the way, the subpoena called for quote, detailed records
for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
(06:37):
voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
was you know this, this left wing judge has been
presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
had an order from Judge Boseburg ordering AT and T
you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
(07:00):
phone information for a year.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
By the way, and you're sitting unin State Center, don't
tell him, we don't want him to know.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, And and so AT and T examined it, and
they actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way
it works, so the subpoena just comes and and they
get a cell phone number. So so so the Biden
DOJ didn't identify who they were seeking. And and by
the way, look, the telecom companies typically if they get
a subpoena for for phone records on a number, they
(07:30):
typically hand it over because it's usually a drug dealer
or a criminal. You have a subpoena that's issued from
a grand jury, so so it it. They will routinely
in a criminal proceeding hand over. Uh, well, it's so
happened that that At and T. Even though they just
asked for the number, they looked and realized whose number
it was, and and and they talked with their legal
(07:51):
team and and and they said, listen, what what Cruz
is saying is it and any member of Congress, what
they're saying is protected by the Speech and Bait Clause
of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the ability of Senators
and House members to engage in debate to do our jobs.
Article one of the Constitution vests all legislative power in
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the Congress. And in fact, you know, on January sixth,
it was very literally speech and debate. As I said,
I was standing on the Senate floor, Yeah, giving a
speech and raising an objection. So it's literally the heart
of what one does as an elected member of Congress.
And so at and T concluded, listen there, we're not
(08:36):
going to comply. As I said, I'm grateful for At
and T doing that, but that now makes it nine
senators that we know of and one House.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
also at At and T and they probably said no,
we're not going to do that either, right, it would
be Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody
you're asking for. There could be easily, I would say,
another four, five, six others. Who knows how many outside
the Senate right that they could have asked for that
they could have said no to as well.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I would assume there was a lot of people
on At and T.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, And look the Biden doj also after the Republican
Attorney General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This
was a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
(09:26):
January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
so it was twenty twenty two, So it was two
years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
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we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
in the United States Senate. And I got to say
for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
their political opponents and spying with let's be clear, none
(10:10):
of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right?
Like you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
In that scenario they were they were just, hey, we'll
just go after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Look. I don't know what they were hoping to find,
but but but they were asking for the cell phone
records from from January fourth to January seventh, so all
surrounding January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some
some monica of coordination, uh with with with those who
engage in active violence on that day. Part of their
(10:58):
theory was was the all alternate electors that were being
sent from various states. So I assumed they were looking
for some modicum of coordination there. But but this was
a political prosecution because they did not have evidence, and
so they said, well, let's let's go through their cell
phone records and see if we can find something. And
by the way, who knows if if if somebody had
(11:20):
sent something stupid a text, had a voicemail, had you know,
I mean people, when you go through someone's emails, when
you go through someone's cell phones, when prosecutors go looking
for a crime, the nature of a phishing expedition is
let's go look around. You know, there's a book that
(11:41):
was written decades ago, uh that that that that's called
three felonies a day. And it talks about how the
average American commits three felonies a day, that that in
our regulatory state, things are so complicated, things are so
mired in complexity that that that you can violate you know,
you step on a wetland than your backyard. And and
(12:01):
and you know there's an old line that a prosecutor
can indict a ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor
goes in front of a grand jury. When a prosecutor
goes in front of a grand jury, you know, there's
no defense attorney there. It's just the prosecutor and members
of the grand jury. And so I don't know what
they were looking for. I think they were looking for
anything that could stick because this was a political prosecution.
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Let me ask you this if and so Ben, I
just want to say, I'm really grateful they did not
find the pictures you send to me of you and
a pink too too, because I just think that it's
not criminal.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
All the league jokes that I send you about the
Ivy League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up
going to one of those places that could have been
very bad for me.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I it you know it, it would have been And
I got to say, just the typos and misspellings that
that that you have in your text, that that alone
would have been a little bit bare too. So I'm
glad none of that.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
Like it's what was been really trying to say.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And I'm like, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
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answer to that. But but but but I did. Uh.
And I didn't know about this until just a few
days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
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I like, I was joking that I felt excluded, but
it wasn't entirely a joke. And and then I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense, and uh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
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All right, final question on this, what is gonna be
the response from Congress? Will there be any to this
or is this just old administration abusive power?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We're gonna move on, or is there going to be
a way to make sure like we have standards of
this is not allowed to happen and that people are
held accountable for this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
we've we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I
think we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell
you the nine of us who were targeted, we're we're
talking to each other because we want to prevent this.
We want to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this,
from spying on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The
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executive doesn't have the ability to go engage in spying
on members of the opposing party in Congress. That is
an abuse of power. It is it is politicization and
that this higher effort. So so this prosecution was called
(17:04):
Arctic Frost. And I think this is going to be
the Watergate of the Biden do o J. I think
it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was a partisan
prosecutor who was drunk on power and and and and
I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision on his own.
I think the decision making goes all the way up.
I think it goes up to the Attorney General. I
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think it goes up to the White House. And and
so I expect number one, some some real investigation and
hopefully transparency in terms of who approved let's go spy
on members of Congress and and and and and that
that I think we're going to work to have some
real transparency on and that. I think we're gonna look
at real and concrete steps we can take to make
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sure this never happens again, because this kind of there
is there.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
A part of you that just thinks like maybe this
has just been going on and never really stopped. After
after you know, the the the the famous FBI director
that had you know, files on everybody, and people said, well,
we won't have that again. After Jagger. And now it's
like they're just like they wild West. You can do
what the hell you want to if you're a Democrat
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and you're in charge. Like we can spa in the present,
we can spy the campaigns. We can go after people
in this situation room and the trap them. We can
try to go after their busines, associates, and their kids
and get them to turn against them, like Eric Trump
was talking about that on our show the other day.
If you missed that show, people should go back and
listen to He's like they were literally trying to turn
Donald Trump's own children against him, threatening that your life's
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gonna be over and you're gonna be in jail, so
you better get a get out of jail free card.
And now it's like yeah, and we were also spying
on senators. I'm assuming some congressmen will come out like
who knows who's there? I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently
before assassination. It came out that he said during the campaign,
we either win the campaign or I may go to jail.
(18:51):
I actually believe now witnessing what we've seen, that that's
not far off from reality at all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
Justice in the FBI. As you know, I wrote an
entire book entitled Justice Corrupted, How the Left is weaponized
our legal system, and it talked about it actually started
with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to do that. And
and you look at some of the some of the
hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice Department came up with,
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including creating underground stings to to to get people, uh,
to to get people on film taking drugs and with
prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and to go
after their political opponents. I mean, it was grotesque abuse
of power. And and and when when that came to light,
we actually saw an improvement. And there were a couple
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of decades where I think this this receded and occurred
far less. And and then what Richard Nixon tried to
do to the justice system, Barack Obama succeeded in doing.
He came in as this this almost messiah figure, and
and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
(20:00):
You had lowist learner at the IRS. They began targeting
their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they disagreed with
and also protecting their friends. During the Trump administration the
first term, they went underground, but they waged war on
the president. These are the people that created fraudulent documents
submitted to the FISA Court in order to in order
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to try to go after President Trump. They wanted to
reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election because they
were furious that the American people elected Trump. And then
during Biden they were open, they were flagrant. They were
out in the open, and they were abusing their power,
and I think they felt that the ends justified the
means and anything was acceptable. And so I think we
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need to take real steps. Do I think this has
been going on forever and ever? I don't. I certainly
hope not. I'm not aware that it has. There is,
there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under Biden,
to to make it just as as viciously partisan as it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Wills came Yes, yeah, it will's came off, and no
one cared about the rules anymore. Clearly, it's it's incredible,
all right. So let's go to something else that is
obviously big. You were at the White House meeting with
the president. You guys are asked to come over and
check out the construction site that the left is losing
their minds over right now, By the way, can we
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just talk about that for a second before we get
every shut down this is hysterical. There have been multiple
presidents that, by the way, have done different things to
the White House. The majority of the time it's actually
paid for by tax payers. This time, this is being
paid for by Trump and donors, so it's not costing
taxpayers of dime. It's a huge improvement to the White
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House that every future president will be able to use.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And yet the lies that are out there is that
Donald Trump is like destroying the White House and he's
gone rogue and he's destroying America's house and it's gonna
cost you money while the government's shut down. There's there's
tons of Democrats out there putting it out there, going, oh,
so the government shutdown, but Donald Trump sting money on this,
implying that like this government shutdown doesn't involve his plans. Yeah,
because it's private money, you liars. So you were there,
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you saw it, and I'm sure it came up.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah. So so we President Trump invited all the Republican
senators Uh to come over. Uh. And and we came
and joined him. We had lunch with him.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
He served cheeseburgers and French fries. I gotta say the
cheeseburgers were really good. That there was actually a rumor
he was going to serve McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I was gonna say, was it McDonald's because he did
that before when there was a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah. Look, there was a rumor that is going to
serve McDonald's. And I think it is adder near the
anniversary of when he went to work at McDonald's restaurant,
which was one of the classic moments of the campaign
last year. Yeah, and so he did not serve McDonald's.
They were I think the White House chef made the
They were good cheeseburgers. They were actually they were quite good.
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And he was in as good a mood as I've
ever seen him. He was just happy. So we met
in the Rose Garden. And the Rose Garden it's right
off the Oval office and it is surrounded by rose bushes.
And it used to be like the ground was just
just a lawn and it was just grass. Yeah, and
it's interesting. The President talked about this quite a bit,
and you can actually watch it on TV. He was
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on TV and the cameras were there as he was talking.
But he's a builder. He's excited about this that there
was a joy as he was talking about this project.
And he said, look, the rose garden. The problem was
it was grass. When it rained, it would get muddy.
You'd do events here and you're trudging through the mud
and the grass. He said, you know women would be
there for this. Yeah, women would be there in expensive
(23:38):
high heels. The high heels would be sinking into the mud,
they'd ruin their shoes, they would get upset. And so
what he did is is he built a patio instead.
So he did not you know, I was told not
a single rose was killed. The rose bushes are all there,
but instead of the grass in the middle, he built
a white marble patio that is matching the stone on
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the White House. So it's very much it's the same color,
it's the same theme.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It clearly ties in aesthetically.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And it's actually beautifully done. Like I was impressed. And like,
for example, around the patio there are a series of
drains and the way they built it, the drains are
an American flag where they have oh, I don't know,
probably at eight by eight ten x ten marble square
that is the stars, and then they have the same
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size marble squares that is a series of horizontal slits
that are the drains, but they have them alternating so
it's clearly American flags surrounding it. All. That's cool and
it's really elegant. It's very well done, and it gives
a place to go and sit, and it was today
was a beautiful fall day, so it was a great
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day to gather. And then the President is also building
a ballroom. You know, it's amazing. The White House does
not have a ballroom.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The biggest room in the White House is the East Room.
But the East Room is not that big, Like if
you're doing a seated dinner there, you can tight maybe
eighty people there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I've been in there for dinner.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It is I mean it's like it's tight, like there's
not a lot of room to mingle, much less dance.
And I don't think if you've never been to the
White House, I do think this is something that people
I think they think it's a lot bigger than it
really is. It's really not that big. When you go
in the West Wing, for example, it's extremely tight. The
offices are tiny for the senior staff, even the chief
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of staff, the White House Press office. Every office is
extremely It's like a closet with a door.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's the best way I can describe it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The East Wing, by the way, and one of my
dear friends worked for Laura Bush and in her office,
so I was over there a lot and actually go
see the dogs, and so that they always had the
dogs in the East wings, so like if you want
to break just to get away, we would go over
there and you'd give a treat, play the dog, throw
the ball outside on the White House lawn. But it
was also very tiny because it just it was not
built for what our government and is today. Even the
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size of the staff, like the White House, the First
Lady's staff was nothing. In the First Lady's role was
nothing compared to what it is in twenty twenty five.
So when they're like we're gonna expand this out on
the east side, it's like that makes sense, Like this
should have probably been done thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And there's a whole history of presidents going back more
than a century of making additions to the White House.
Adding the West Wing adding the oval office, adding the
second floor, adding an indoor swimming pool, and then Richard
Dixon filled the indoor swimming pool. It was actually very
Yeah look look.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
By the way, hold on, go back to the swimming
pool story. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah. So so Trump was telling the swimming swimming pool
story and he said, you know, when JFK was was president,
Jackie would come by and she'd say, wait, am I
here because this was an indoor swimming pool. Yeah, And
Jackie's like, am I hearing women? And Trump was saying
the Secret Service said no, no, no, ma'am, no, no, no,
there are no women in there. You have to move on.
And you know, it was it was a very funny,
like like like riff. And then when Nixon came in
(27:00):
and he filled up the swimming pool and turned it
into the to the press briefing room. Yeah, and so
that's that's where the you know, the White House press
briefings are today is they're literally standing on top of
what used to be the indoor swimming pool. Those previous
many of those previous revisions use tax paramonney. Trump is
not using tax paramoney. The building the patio, uh was
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not done to.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
The American flag.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
He just put up the two big American flags he's
put up as a great example of that.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And the ballroom that they're the project is expected to
be over two hundred million dollars. It's going to be
a beautiful ballroom. They're they're building it. They're they're talking
about it being able to see six seven hundred people.
And and by the way, every subsequent president will use
that if you're doing a state dinner, if you're doing gathering,
the ability to host a larger gathering is is a
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very useful thing for a president to be able to do,
regardless of your party. I mean, it will be a
real and material improvement to the White House. And I
got to say, just listening to the President talk about it,
he's so out. He likes building things.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean, I mean that's roots like this is this
is him at a core well.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And then so we had a lunch and he was
talking about the shutdown. He was talking about everything that's
going on. And then afterwards he said, okay, and I
want to ask all you guys come on into the
Oval office with me and join me in the Oval.
So we had you know, there are fifty plus of
us there. So we all came into the Oval, which
is not that big, and we crowded around and and
Trump took us back to what he calls the Monica
(28:27):
Lewinsky Room. Yes, it's not complicated to figure out why
he calls that the Monica Lewinsky Room.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's now the Great Gift Shop, and that you cannot
buy anything in You're only gifted it directly from the President.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So so it's the room where where Bill Clinton was
alone and shall we say, stained the blue dress with Monica.
I have to admit I.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Love about you, say, shall we say? I like that?
That was nice?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I have to admit I was. I was tempted to
suggest to President Trump that he actually put up a
sign naming it the Monica Lewinsky Room. But but but
I haven't yet. I might suggest that to him, because
I actually think he there's a good chance he did,
by the way he created the Hall of Presidents along
the Rose Garden, where he has a photograph or of
every president. He starts with Washington, he's either a photograph
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or painting of every president going up to forty five
and forty seven, obviously both him, uh and in between
forty six. Instead of a picture of Joe Biden is
a picture of the Autopen, which is just hysterical, like
it's just it's that's the presidential picture along the Rose
Garden is the Autopen because that's uh, that's who who
was president for four years. So he invites us all
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into the Oval and and he's and then he takes
everyone into the mind and the Monica leitskey room is
not very big. It's ten feet by ten feet. I mean,
I mean it's it's a little office right off the oval.
So it's down in like a really short hallway and
it's to the left and as he's basically put a
gift shop there, and he has all sorts of bling.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
All right, So if you're watching the video, here's one
of the blings. That's something that that he gave me
when I was there, and and like it's he's got
it's all this kind of stuff, and it's like and
then he and then I always like this one because
he always like he's like Ben, he goes give it,
make sure you get your kids taken care of. So
the presidential m and ms, he'll have those in they're
the best part is the eminem on the back that's
what my kids love the most. This just random tokens
(30:20):
on my desk here. By the way, the kids, if
you you know that, they don't care that much because
the eminem's are gone.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They're like, we're going to eat those. Yet I'm like,
all right, you might want to save the box.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So so, and he's got tons of hats. He's got
maga hats. He's got Trump twenty twenty eight, which he
was laughing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He says.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He says, this drives the press crazy. They just lose
their mind when when I have Trump twenty twenty eight.
He had cuff links and and he had and he
told every center take whatever you want, like just rab
whatever you want. It's all it's all free. He's paying
for it all. And so like I got there's a
very cool golf towel that they had that I just
got me one.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Thank you way to look out for your co host here.
I have preciate you getting me a golf towel. Because
you don't play golf. That means a lot. That means
a whole lot to me.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's a beautiful golf tow nice seal you are. It
has Donald Trump's signature, it's it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
By the way, I just want the audience to be clear,
he did not commit that that golf towel is for me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Keep going, okay, let's be clear.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know the answer to that. But what is funny?
And so Trump said, hey, grab whatever you want. He said,
I'll sign whatever you want. And he sat there for
thirty minutes at the resolute desk just signing stuff. Yeah,
and and what was funny. He was laughing. He made
this joke, but he's true. He said, it's amazing you
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have like some stuff in the gift shop and suddenly
senators turn into five year old kids. I mean we
were literally lined up and being like, oh, that looks cool.
I'm gonna greet like people were grabbing.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's got his prov one golf balls he's very proud
of with the presidential still on there. He signed with
those for one of my boys. And his cuplings, by
the way, are truly incredible. You've got a pair, right,
I do. Yeah, I mean they're nice.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And he's got like challenge coins he's made that are
about this big. I mean they're probably three inches in diameter.
They're really cool. And I have two on of my desk,
but I will confess, so he keeps the challenge coins
on the resolute desk right there. I will confess I
snagged two of those because I'm gonna give one to
each of my daughters. I figured that would be kind
of a cool, you know, cool cool thing to bring
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
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one more question on the center's meeting today. Serious question,
and that is give us a real update on where
we are with a shutdown. We have the no King's Rally.
I think your prediction of mine are going to be
spot on. We're going to see some movement probably in
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the next five, six, seven days.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's my gut. You know more. You were there today,
What is it temperature? And where are we.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So look, it's hard to say. We keep voting. I
think we've voted eleven or twelve times to reopen the government.
The Republicans are voting to reopen the government. I've voted
over and over and over again to reopen the government.
And the Democrats are voting party line to keep the
government shut down. We've had to date only three Democrats
have voted to reopen the government. Everyone else has voted. Now. Now,
the reason that matters is is in order to pass
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legislation funding the government, you need sixty votes in the
Senate under the Senate rules. If you can't get sixty votes,
you can't pass it. We only have fifty three Republicans.
That means we need at least seven Democrats. If we're
getting three Democrats, we don't have the votes. Now at
some point that is going to change. What's interesting is
it's not just the radical left. It's not just the
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Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens who are voting to shut
the government down. It's not just Chuck Schumer who's terrified
of being primary by AOC. It's everybody else. It's people
who are claiming that they're moderates. They're voting to shut
the government down. John Ossoff, who is the most vulnerable
Democrat in the Senate. He's running in Georgia next year.
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John Osoff has voted eleven times to keep the government
shut down. It's very clear, even though Georgia is a
purple state, even though there are a lot of people
who are not happy that, by no stretch of the
imagination is Georgia a radical left state, and yet it's
clear Osoff is more afraid of the radicals at the
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No King's rallies than he is of just ordinary people
living in Georgia. You know Mark Kelly, who says he
calls himself a moderate, he keeps voting to keep the
government shut down in order for this to change. What
you're ultimately going to see is seven eight to nine Democrats,
I think, mostly retiring Democrats who are no longer going
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to face the voters, who are not worried about being primaried.
At some point they're gonna say enough is enough, let's
reopen the government. But I don't know if it's a
day or two. I don't know if it's weak or two.
I don't know. Look, we're having discussions that the things
could be shut down, you know, through Thanksgiving. One of
(37:18):
the challenges is we're so tribalized and divided right now
that I think the Democrats are listening to an echo
chamber of the radical base. Yeah, and their radical base
is happy with a shutdown.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So yeah, so they want to burn it down.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
They want this country to fall, they want there to
be a demise of our government, especially when they're not
in charge of it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
If they're not in charge of it, they want to
burn it down and listen.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
On Friday, I went to Hobby Airport in Houston and
I did a press conference there, and I pointed out
that right now, they're fifty thousand TSA agents are going
into work who are not getting paid. Right now, they're
fourteen thousand air traffic controllers who are going into work,
but they're not getting paid. And what we're seeing is
more and more delays. We're seeing flight cancelations. Hobby just
(38:05):
today had a ground stop because they said a shortage
of personnel air traffic controllers. And the Democrats, they don't care.
They're perfectly happy. One Democrat told Politico said, we'll keep
it shut down quote until planes start falling out of
the sky. Like that's how radicalized they are. And they
(38:27):
don't care about the government workers. They're mad at Trump
for paying the troops. And so look, I think at
some point sanity will prevail and they'll allow the lights
to be turned on. I'll tell you what I've advised
the president. You know, the President referred to Russ Russ Vote,
who's the head of OMB, the Office of Management and budget,
(38:48):
and he laughingly called Russ Darth Vader. He said, the
Democrats are terrified because Russ is using the shutdown to
permanently lay off left wing bureaucrats who were advancing programs
and priorities that the Democrats care about that are inconsistent
with the president's agenda. I think that's one of the
keys to ending this shutdown, is continuing to do that
(39:09):
and so making it painful to the radical left because
they're losing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Their influence.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, and so this will end at some point. But
honest answer, Ben damned if I know.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
When interesting, don't forget. We'll cover it all here. We
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We'll keep you update on what's happening with a government shutdown.
You'll know about it, probably before a lot of others
will because you get insider information. That's why I love
(39:45):
doing this show and the Center. I will see you
back here on Friday morning.
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