May 18, 2025 • 30 mins
🧾 Allegations Against the Biden Administration on Job Numbers
- The narrative accuses the Biden administration of fabricating job creation statistics leading up to the 2024 election.
- It references data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and Business Employment Dynamics (BED), claiming that hundreds of thousands of jobs were falsely reported and later revised downward.
- The speaker argues that these inflated numbers were used to mislead the public about the strength of the economy and influence the election outcome.
- It also includes commentary on media complicity, suggesting that mainstream outlets failed to report these discrepancies.
- The narrative concludes that Donald Trump won the 2024 election due to public disillusionment with the Biden administration’s economic messaging.
🗣️ Interview with Senator Marsha Blackburn on Drug Pricing and Trade
- Senator Blackburn discusses prescription drug pricing reform, focusing on Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs).
- She explains how PBMs act as middlemen between pharmaceutical companies, insurance providers, and patients, often driving up drug costs.
- Her proposed legislation aims to:
- Cap PBM fees
- Eliminate rebate-driven pricing
- Ensure fair access for independent pharmacies
- The conversation also touches on:
- Trump’s trade deals with the UK and China
- Middle East diplomacy
- Immigration enforcement
- Media bias and political hypocrisy
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, So here's a story I gotta throw on
your radar screen, and it is one that is going
to yet again show you how corrupt the state sponsored
media was it trying to fix the last election by
straight up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Lying to you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
New numbers from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics are
now showing eight hundred thousand jobs from last year that
the Biden administration claim they created never even existed. In fact,
the Biden administration routinely lied about job creation and then
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would quietly revise them down time and time again. Later on,
the Biden administration and the media lied to all of
our faces.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And if you don't.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Believe me, let me remind you what Joe Biden said
the White House right before election day.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Asking for doing this, mister President.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Two questions the first Florida Senator, Marco Rubio described.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Today's job support is having faith numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
And how worried argue that many Americans are hearing that
the job's numbers aren't real.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Look, I'm gonna be very careful here. If you notice
anything the mega Republicans don't like they call fake anything.
The job numbers are. What the job numbers are, they're real,
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They're since here what we are. And by the way,
just look at how the EU talks about us, how
they like to have an economy like ours. Just talk
about the rest of the world looks at us and
what we're doing. So well, I don't want to get
them going.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Now the President says that, and then the question we
all have to ask is, Okay, well, how big was
the lie? All right, well, let's look at now the
new data Labor Department is now admitting publicly hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of Biden jobs were actually fake, like
they just made up numbers to make you think the
economy was doing better than it actually was. The Biden administration,
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for example, claimed to have added almost four hundred thousand
jobs from July through September of last year, but new
data released this week suggests none of those jobs ever existed.
Despite constantly gas lighting by the mainstream media, Americans knew
the economy was in poor shape, and these latest numbers
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are proving it. Month after month, the government being counters
under former President Biden's published overly optimistic estimates for everything
from job growth to the size of the economy, only
to have those numbers routinely and quietly revised down.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Later every month.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
The Bureau of Labor Statistics as the BLS produces estimates
for the number of non farm payrolls in the country,
as well as revisions for the last two months estimates
under Biden. Listen carefully, okay, these revisions were abnormal in
magnitude and direction, being revised down with unusual frequency. In
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other words, they knew they were lying to you, and
they knew that the media would never tell you the truth.
While these monthly job reports are compiled from a survey
of over six hundred thousand businesses, of which fewer than
two hundred thousand are surveyed each month, but also the
BLS also publishes much much more comprehensive quarterly data called
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Business Employment Dynamics that come from a census of over
twelve million businesses. Now that's over seventeen times a sample
size of the monthly jobs reports survey. Now, this is
obviously a more act curate database, and it was just
released by the BLS for the third quarter of last year,
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which ran from the start of July through the end
of September. So guess what we found out in massive
stark contrast to the monthly jobs reports before election day
showing an increase of four in one thousand jobs during
the third quarter, these numbers and these new numbers show
a decline of one thousand private sector jobs, meaning they
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literally created four hundred thousand jobs that never existed, just
to try to win the election you want to talk about,
I mean, and I go back to Democrats obsession with
Russian collusion and Ford interference in our elections. We didn't
have foreign interference in our election. We had the actual
government of Joe Biden that said we're going to influence
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the election outcome by telling Americans that four inue thousand
jobs were created out of thin air that never were
and we knew it wasn't. Now, to be clear, the
monthly job reports and the data do not measure exactly
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Okay, the BED data, for example.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We were talking about a moment ago, and the BLS
also published another data set called the Quarterly Census of
Employment and Wages. This is where it gets really good, folks.
Each of these reports excludes certain categories of jobs or
industries like railroad, government, self employment, agriculture, etc. That means
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there can be relatively small deviations between these labor market
X estimates in the short run, but they trend very
well together over time. In fact, the more comprehensively quarterly
data are used to reevaluate the monthly jobs reports once
a year in a process called the annual benchmark. All right,
So you ready, This benchmark just twelve months of job
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data to make them as accurate as possible, and always
covers a period from March of one year to March
to the following year, the fiscal year. In early twenty
twenty five, the BOS published the annual benchmark figures for
the period from March twenty three to March twenty four.
All right, The results are staggering, a drop of six
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hundred thousand non farm payroll jobs, so to be clear.
In other words, the monthly reports had overestimated the number
of jobs during those twelve months of the election year
to favor Joe Biden and Kamwa Harris, and were revised
down now by six hundred thousand jobs. They made up
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six hundred thousand jobs that didn't exist. And that's on
top of the individual monthly reports already being revised down
throughout the year long period in question.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So the downward revision of the.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Biden Harris Air jobs data are, by the way, set
to continue from March through June of last year. The economy,
they want you to believe, added three hundred ninety eight
thousand non farm payrolls according to the monthly report Sorts.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yet the BED data shows.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
A net loss of one hundred and sixty three thousand
private sector jobs for the exact same period.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So add those numbers in you ready.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Instead of adding almost eight hundred thousand jobs during the
middle of last year, the economy actually shrunk in the
job market, shedding more than one hundred and sixty thousand jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How did no on when the media cover this? How
is it they were able to get away with this?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now the next annual benchmark will probably be a retroactive
reduction of jobs under Biden that exceeds this year's a
large downward revision.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're also being warned.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So for four years, the Biden administration and the psychopaths
and our government and those in the state sponsored media
kept telling you that we had the strongest economy in history.
Remember when Joe Biden said over and over again, that's
why I played them earlier. Then they had statistics that
were paraded on the news to convince Americans not to
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believe their lying eyes or their empty wallets. Voters, luckily
weren't fooled, at least not enough of them. That's why
they gave President Donald Trump an overwhelming victory in November.
He captured not only electoral collegey, including every single swing state,
but he also got the popular vote as well. And
the latest economic data vindicated the American people's judgment that
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no number of platitudes from government bureaucrats or deceptive headlines
could fool families and believing their finances were in good
shape before November when they knew they really weren't. For example,
economic rhetoric couldn't paper over the reality that quote credit
card debt exploded to well over one point two trillion
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from Americans being unable to make ends meet in the
Biden economy. Trump was elected to fix our finances and
that's why he won, which were much worse.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Than Biden or the media would ever admit.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So this was all a massive lie, and now we
have the data to prove it. Now, I wonder how
many people are going to go out there and write
stories and like just be honest, Like hey, we lie
to you, guys, or hey, they lied to you. The
government lied to you. Like it's really bad. Like I
doubt anybody will, by the way, I doubt any of
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them will. That's my gut here. I doubt any of
them will. The Saudi Crown Prince is now saying he
is working to increase Saudi investments in the US to
not one billion, not one hundred billion, but one trillion dollars.
The President United States of America making this historic trip,
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saying it's time for us to work with our allies,
and he says it's time for the US to remove
sanctions on Syria as well.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Syrians have endured brutal and crippling sanctions over the past
fourteen years. It's time to end them, is what President
Trump announced while in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I will be ordering the secession of sanctions against Syrian
order to give them a chance at greatness. That is
what the President said during the press conference. Trump said
Syrians have seen so much misery and death during a
years long civil war. He also agreed to end the
sanctions against Syria at the urging of the Saudi Crown
Prince and the Turkish President because there needs to be quote,
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more stability in the region now. The sanctions targeted the
Hassad regime and served as an important function, Trump said,
but now it's time for Syria to shine. Obviously, as
Issad has fled the country and is now taking up
safe haven in Russia. The US designated Syria as a
state sponsor of terrorism in nineteen seventy nine, imposed sanctions
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on the nation in two thousand and four and in
twenty eleven following the former Syrian president Assad's efforts to
end anti government protests. Sanctions imposed by the United States
deprived Syria of access to global financial systems and added
sanctions against this is the Asad regime. While the Syrian
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civil war raged for several years now. The Biden administration
in November sanctioned a Syrian conglomerate after accusing it of
using ul revenue to fund a Rand's Islamic Revolutionary Guard
and COUD forces, as well as Huthi militants for attacking
US forces in the Middle East. Syria has endured civil war,
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terrorism attacks, and secretary in warfare that included the Islamic
State taking control of parts of the nation in twenty
fourteen and beyond Western Powers. Afterwards, undertook a bombing campaign
to eliminate ISIS and restore full power to quote Syria.
Assad regime lost power in December when a militia took
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control of the Syrian capital of Damascus and other parts
of the country. This happened mainly because the money wasn't
flowing in anymore from Russia. They couldn't handle it because
of their war they'd started and their invasion of Ukraine.
Now Syria's new president he was a former member of
al Qaeda who says he has reformed his ways just
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so you know. Yes, it's complicated in the Middle East,
and the fall of Assage regime prompted the easing of
some US sanctions, but not all of them. The US
Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, will meet with Syria's new
foreign minister in Turkey later this week. Trump also said
to work out details. This announcement marks the president's first
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of four days in the Middle East. He's also scheduled
to visit the United air of Emirates and Qatar. Now
back to what the President had to say at this visit.
At the stop on this this Middle East tour, Trump
also talked about Iran and saying that Iran can have
a much brighter future, but we will never allow them
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to threaten.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
America and or our allies.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He said this, making it clear as he's in the
Middle East, We're not screwing around.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
But with that set Aaran can have a much brighter future,
but will never allow America and its allies to be
threatened with terrorism or nuclear attack. The choices there is
to make. We really want them to be a successful country.
We want them to be a wonderful, safe, great country,
but they cannot have a nuclear weapon. This is an
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offer that will not last forever. The time is right
now for them to choose.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
We don't have a lot of time to wait.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We don't have a lot of time to wait.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That is part of the warning, clearly the President wanted
to make clear as he was doing this visit in
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The President also talked about our enemies.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yes, there are enemies around the world, and certainly there
are enemies in the Middle East. The President saying this
that the US Saudi Investment Forum in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yet I'm here today not merely to condemn the past chaos.
Iran's leaders but to offer them a new path, and
a much better path toward a far better and more
hopeful future. As I've shown repeatedly, I am willing to
end past conflicts and forge new partnerships for better and
more stable world, even of our differences may be very profound,
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which obviously they are in the case of Iran. I
have never believed in having permanent enemies. I am different
than a lot of people think. I don't like permanent enemies,
but sometimes you need enemies to do the job, and
you have to do it right. Enemies get you motivated.
In fact, some of the closest friends of the United
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States of America nations we fought wars against in generations past,
and now they're our friends and our allies.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The present, giving a pathway for a future there that
even some of the media are now saying sounds pretty nice.
Fox Business Channel talking about this, saying the President's Middle
East plan is one that we should all embrace.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
The President will never get credit for this, but that
was an amazing speech. He threw down the gauntlet where
he had to, particularly with Iran, and at the same
time he painted a picture of possibility for the Middle East.
I've never heard any other president paint. I mean, that
was truly extraordinary. He made Look he's such a good salesman.
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He said to the Middle East, you want to lead
in business and technology and culture and commerce.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Those are the exact words he used. We will do
it with you. We are in a golden age. You
can have a golden age. There's only one person on
the globe. There's only one person who could give that
speech and do it with that kind of force, and
it was him. That was totally extraordinary. You know, everyone's
talking about the follow through.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I can't wait to see.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
What kind of fallow through comes from this.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now, don't worry.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The rest of the press there going to be angry
over the President and what he had to say today.
They're angry about the fact the president's trying to have
peace in the Middle East and get this job done.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The President also saying this about God.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Listen carefully how this will play as well in the
Middle East.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I believe it is God's job to sit in judgment,
my job to defend America and to promote the fundamental
interest of stability, prosperity, and peace.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's what I really want to do.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
I will never hesitate to wield American power if it's
necessary to defend the United States or to help defend
our allies.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's pretty clear, the President saying, the terrorists in the
Middle East, if you think that you can get away
with doing what you were doing during the last four
years that Biden administration, you're flat out wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't need permanent enemies. I don't like permanent enemies.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But if you are going to screw with America or
American interests, our allies, there will be hell to pay.
The President also talking more about peace, saying he's ready
to stand and help Lebanon create a future as well
with an economic development.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
My administration stands ready to help Lebanon create a future
of economic development and peace with its neighbors.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
With its neighbors.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So you listen to this president and everything that he
just said there, why on earth would anyone in the
media criticize this right Like, why would anybody say this
is a bad thing? Well, MSNBC had no problem attacking
this trip and Israel when they said this moments after
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the President was in the Middle East talking about all
these issues.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Edi UN spokesperson on Monday did not mis mince words.
And I'm going to quote here this is not a
natural disaster, but a human made catastrophe that the world
should not allow. We have seen picture images of children
even today, carrying all their belongings through the rubble, A
tiny baby in a rainbow jumper that was killed by
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an air strike. And then there is a child this
is today with one leg, waiting on crutches just to
try to get a bit of food. These images are
so heartbreaking, so chilling. They raise the question Hamas, Yes,
Hamas is responsible. Israel has made a decision for the blockade,
But what is the responsibility of other governments? What is
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the responsibility of us all when children and innocence are
starving to death?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, it's a difficult question on a certain level
and an easy answer on another. First, I think countries
across the world needs to simply live up to international law.
What Israel is doing in relation to Gaza, the blockade
that is cutting off food and water is illegal. It's
not sanctioned by international law. I think if countries understand
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that and live up to the letter of that law
and to the intent of that law, they would hold
Israel accountable. I want to just acknowledge what the rabbi
is doing, what he's written, and what he's doing. It
is important that when you're within a particular tradition, Chris,
that you can bring the resources of that tradition to
bear on the actions of those who are committed to
the same principles and ideals and faith that you are.
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So it's within that tradition that he's bringing the basic
tenets of Judaism to bear on what Israel is doing.
And I think that's really important, and I think it's powerful,
and I understand the risk that he's taken that he's taken.
I think also for me, I just want to say,
I want to ask a basic question. How many dead
Palestinians are needed for the state of Israel.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How many dead Palestinians are needed for the state of Israel.
That is the anti Semitic propaganda that MSNBC put out
on their airwaves, not talking about all the dead is
Israelis who were killed in the horrific attack, the worse
since the Holocaust on Israel.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is what Donald Trump is up against.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And joining me is a senator from Tennessee, Marsha Blackburn Center.
Nice to have you on and Let's start with what
we're seeing with trade, because this is obviously the Democrats
and the media's worst nightmare. They wanted you to believe,
if you're a citizen in this country, that this was
going to destroy your life, that deals weren't going to
get done until next year, as they were saying on
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TV just last week on CNN, Oh, this will be
over a year until this stuff gets done. And then
sure enough, we see this major announcement with UK followed
up by another major announcement with China.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Donald Trump's getting it done.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Yes he is. He is delivering results, and when you
have those kind of results, it elevates respect for the
United States of America around the globe. We understand that
our Trade rep is working on twenty more of these
tariff and trade deals, and you know, Ben, that also
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covers the non tariff trade barriers in those discussions. And
these are being done in a bilateral manner, a one
on one, which is how the President likes to do it.
But he is proving that he built a vision for
what this country could return to begging and our leadership
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position in the world, and he is showing how to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You look at this president. It's not just on trade deals.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But look at the last week you had UK trade deal,
China trade deal, then the release of American hostage, the
ceasefire with Indian Pakistan, ceasefire with the Hooties. Oh, and
by the way, we're going to make prescription drug costs
through an executive order much less expensive for Americans and
giving US Favored nation status on these prices.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's just in a week.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Yes it is. And of course the MSN issue with
the pharmaceuticals is his way of getting these pharmaceutical companies
to the table. We have five percent of the world's population,
but we represent seventy five percent. A pharmaceutical company profits
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because they're subsidizing these negotiated prices in other countries. Now
also getting rid of these pharmacy benefit managers, who are
the middlemen between your insurance company and you at the
pharmacy counter, getting rid of them because they go in there,
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they take the rebates, they negotiate what you're going to
be allowed to have. That is why people may be
on a certain pharmaceutical and then all of a sudden
three months into that, six months into it, well there's
a change and they can't have it anymore. They have
to get something that is different, and their physician has said, no,
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this is the prescription that you need, and people are
tired of that. So we just left a hearing today
with these pharmacy benefit managers. It is my legislation that
rains them in and will end this practice of them
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taking the rebates and driving up the price on consumers.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It is incredible and now having this change is going
to help all Americans. It should be a non political issue,
but it does seem like the Democratic Party is completely
controlled by big pharma and their investment in each one
of their candidates.
Speaker 9 (23:42):
Well, it does appear to be that way, and when
you look at it, I think that it's easy to
see why people feel that. But reigning in the PBMs,
I'm telling you that I've gotten a lot of bipartisan
support on my legislation. It is moving through Finance Committee.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It brings me down a little bit when you say PBMs.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I want people to understand it because it seems complicated,
especially if you don't know. So can you explain exactly
how this legislation would work. I think it's important.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Absolutely. When Bill Clinton was in office and they were
looking at trying to nationalize healthcare, and of course we
had the version of Hillary Care in Tennessee, which was Tencare.
They came up with this idea that they would have
a pharmacy benefit manager who would work between the pharmaceutical
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company and the insurance company and the patient. And what
they would do for the insurance company is go to
the pharmaceutical companies and negotiate prices. Well, as the rebates
got bigger, these PBMs got bigger, and they started saying
to the insurance companies, hey will take the rebate and
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we will split it with you. Well, the poor patient,
those of us that are going to the pharmacy counter.
We're still playing the full note on this, and it's
why you've seen cops go up. It's also why you've
seen some prescriptions be disallowed by your insurance plan. Why
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were they doing that because the PBM says, Okay, let's
go over here to another company with a similar pharmaceutical
and let's do business there because we get a bigger rebate.
So it becomes a profit motive motive, and it puts
profit at the center and not the patient at the center.
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So my legislation would require them to move these PBMs
to a service fee and it would be a flat rate.
And also it requires them to use any willing pharmacy. Now,
in Tennessee, we've had one hundred and twenty pharmacies the
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clothes over the last decade. These are independent pharmacies. Many
times it is the only healthcare access point in some
of our rural or underserved communities, and the PBMs have
driven them out of business because they will not put
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them in the formulary. We've had research from the Tennessee
Department of Commerce and Insurance that shows even one of
the PBMs in our state elevated the price on five
hundred and fifty different drugs, did what they call spread
pricing to the tune of thirty million dollars, and then
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also refused to pay these pharmacies within the seven day
pay period. So it makes it hard for these independent
and small pharmacies to do business. So what my legislation
would do would be to end that and say any
pharmacy that is willing to participate with a plan, you
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have got to let them into that plan and let
them provide for those patients. And it would cap the fee.
That would mean they can't get that rebate. It would
cap them at a service fee and disallow the rebate.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So what does this look like moving forward?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And what are people that are listening to advocate for
who do they need to be calling?
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Well, what they need to do is be contacting some
of the House members and encourage them to support it.
They need to be contacting their senators to support Pharmacy
Benefit Manager reconstruction and reform. And you know, as I said,
we're raining them in. I would like to remove them
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as a part of the marketplace. We don't need the
middleman and on this, and we don't need somebody the
unelected bureaucrats who are out here changing what people can
have access to when their physician has already told them
what they need to be taking.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's incredible final question for you, and I know you
got to go, but I want to get it deals
with this issue. Are you surprised at just the amount
of hypocrisy from the media in the left? They looked
the other way as masses of men crossed illegally all
over the globe in the US everywhere for the last
four years under the Biden administration, literally millions coming in.
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And now the media is furious that Donald Trump has
allowed a fuse and this non exaggeration a few dozen
South Africans to come to the US legally as refugees.
But they said nothing about Arizona, for example, or Texas
or New Mexico when it was being overrun by thousands
of Afghan aliens crossing illegally every day in December of
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
The hypocrisy is, it is astounding. And when you look
at the fact that ICE has been working in Tennessee
and around Middle Tennessee, and my understanding is they have
had about one hundred and forty apprehensions and detentions. These
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are individuals that are gang members, Trende are Agua MS thirteen,
which we have declared as a country, that these are
foreign terrorist organizations. You've got murderers, rapists, child rapists, pedophiles,
child predators that are included in these numbers. And the
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Democrats are out here saying don't lock them up, don't
deport them, and trying to say these people who have
illegally entered the country, trying to act as if they
have constitutional rights that citizens have. They have illegally entered
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the country with just a crime and then they have
committed crime against our fellow Tennesseeans and have robbed people
of their property, or who have dangered them or injured them,
or in the child rapist, you know, trying to defend
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these people. I haven't talked to many folks that want
these people living in their neighborhoods. They are criminals and
they want them off the street. They want to see
them locked up, and they don't want them back in
their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Amen to that center. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I appreciate you coming on and we will certainly keep
people update on this legislation you're working on.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
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put it up on social media wherever you are, and
we appreciate you listening every day.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We'll see you back here tomorrow
All right, So here's a story I gotta throw on
your radar screen, and it is one that is going
to yet again show you how corrupt the state sponsored
media was it trying to fix the last election by
straight up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Lying to you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
New numbers from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics are
now showing eight hundred thousand jobs from last year that
the Biden administration claim they created never even existed. In fact,
the Biden administration routinely lied about job creation and then
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would quietly revise them down time and time again. Later on,
the Biden administration and the media lied to all of
our faces.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And if you don't.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Believe me, let me remind you what Joe Biden said
the White House right before election day.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Asking for doing this, mister President.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Two questions the first Florida Senator, Marco Rubio described.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Today's job support is having faith numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
And how worried argue that many Americans are hearing that
the job's numbers aren't real.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Look, I'm gonna be very careful here. If you notice
anything the mega Republicans don't like they call fake anything.
The job numbers are. What the job numbers are, they're real,
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They're since here what we are. And by the way,
just look at how the EU talks about us, how
they like to have an economy like ours. Just talk
about the rest of the world looks at us and
what we're doing. So well, I don't want to get
them going.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Now the President says that, and then the question we
all have to ask is, Okay, well, how big was
the lie? All right, well, let's look at now the
new data Labor Department is now admitting publicly hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of Biden jobs were actually fake, like
they just made up numbers to make you think the
economy was doing better than it actually was. The Biden administration,
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for example, claimed to have added almost four hundred thousand
jobs from July through September of last year, but new
data released this week suggests none of those jobs ever existed.
Despite constantly gas lighting by the mainstream media, Americans knew
the economy was in poor shape, and these latest numbers
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are proving it. Month after month, the government being counters
under former President Biden's published overly optimistic estimates for everything
from job growth to the size of the economy, only
to have those numbers routinely and quietly revised down.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Later every month.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
The Bureau of Labor Statistics as the BLS produces estimates
for the number of non farm payrolls in the country,
as well as revisions for the last two months estimates
under Biden. Listen carefully, okay, these revisions were abnormal in
magnitude and direction, being revised down with unusual frequency. In
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other words, they knew they were lying to you, and
they knew that the media would never tell you the truth.
While these monthly job reports are compiled from a survey
of over six hundred thousand businesses, of which fewer than
two hundred thousand are surveyed each month, but also the
BLS also publishes much much more comprehensive quarterly data called
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Business Employment Dynamics that come from a census of over
twelve million businesses. Now that's over seventeen times a sample
size of the monthly jobs reports survey. Now, this is
obviously a more act curate database, and it was just
released by the BLS for the third quarter of last year,
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which ran from the start of July through the end
of September. So guess what we found out in massive
stark contrast to the monthly jobs reports before election day
showing an increase of four in one thousand jobs during
the third quarter, these numbers and these new numbers show
a decline of one thousand private sector jobs, meaning they
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literally created four hundred thousand jobs that never existed, just
to try to win the election you want to talk about,
I mean, and I go back to Democrats obsession with
Russian collusion and Ford interference in our elections. We didn't
have foreign interference in our election. We had the actual
government of Joe Biden that said we're going to influence
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the election outcome by telling Americans that four inue thousand
jobs were created out of thin air that never were
and we knew it wasn't. Now, to be clear, the
monthly job reports and the data do not measure exactly
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Okay, the BED data, for example.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We were talking about a moment ago, and the BLS
also published another data set called the Quarterly Census of
Employment and Wages. This is where it gets really good, folks.
Each of these reports excludes certain categories of jobs or
industries like railroad, government, self employment, agriculture, etc. That means
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there can be relatively small deviations between these labor market
X estimates in the short run, but they trend very
well together over time. In fact, the more comprehensively quarterly
data are used to reevaluate the monthly jobs reports once
a year in a process called the annual benchmark. All right,
So you ready, This benchmark just twelve months of job
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data to make them as accurate as possible, and always
covers a period from March of one year to March
to the following year, the fiscal year. In early twenty
twenty five, the BOS published the annual benchmark figures for
the period from March twenty three to March twenty four.
All right, The results are staggering, a drop of six
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hundred thousand non farm payroll jobs, so to be clear.
In other words, the monthly reports had overestimated the number
of jobs during those twelve months of the election year
to favor Joe Biden and Kamwa Harris, and were revised
down now by six hundred thousand jobs. They made up
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six hundred thousand jobs that didn't exist. And that's on
top of the individual monthly reports already being revised down
throughout the year long period in question.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So the downward revision of the.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Biden Harris Air jobs data are, by the way, set
to continue from March through June of last year. The economy,
they want you to believe, added three hundred ninety eight
thousand non farm payrolls according to the monthly report Sorts.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yet the BED data shows.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
A net loss of one hundred and sixty three thousand
private sector jobs for the exact same period.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So add those numbers in you ready.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Instead of adding almost eight hundred thousand jobs during the
middle of last year, the economy actually shrunk in the
job market, shedding more than one hundred and sixty thousand jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How did no on when the media cover this? How
is it they were able to get away with this?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now the next annual benchmark will probably be a retroactive
reduction of jobs under Biden that exceeds this year's a
large downward revision.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're also being warned.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So for four years, the Biden administration and the psychopaths
and our government and those in the state sponsored media
kept telling you that we had the strongest economy in history.
Remember when Joe Biden said over and over again, that's
why I played them earlier. Then they had statistics that
were paraded on the news to convince Americans not to
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believe their lying eyes or their empty wallets. Voters, luckily
weren't fooled, at least not enough of them. That's why
they gave President Donald Trump an overwhelming victory in November.
He captured not only electoral collegey, including every single swing state,
but he also got the popular vote as well. And
the latest economic data vindicated the American people's judgment that
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no number of platitudes from government bureaucrats or deceptive headlines
could fool families and believing their finances were in good
shape before November when they knew they really weren't. For example,
economic rhetoric couldn't paper over the reality that quote credit
card debt exploded to well over one point two trillion
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from Americans being unable to make ends meet in the
Biden economy. Trump was elected to fix our finances and
that's why he won, which were much worse.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Than Biden or the media would ever admit.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
So this was all a massive lie, and now we
have the data to prove it. Now, I wonder how
many people are going to go out there and write
stories and like just be honest, Like hey, we lie
to you, guys, or hey, they lied to you. The
government lied to you. Like it's really bad. Like I
doubt anybody will, by the way, I doubt any of
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them will. That's my gut here. I doubt any of
them will. The Saudi Crown Prince is now saying he
is working to increase Saudi investments in the US to
not one billion, not one hundred billion, but one trillion dollars.
The President United States of America making this historic trip,
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saying it's time for us to work with our allies,
and he says it's time for the US to remove
sanctions on Syria as well.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Syrians have endured brutal and crippling sanctions over the past
fourteen years. It's time to end them, is what President
Trump announced while in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I will be ordering the secession of sanctions against Syrian
order to give them a chance at greatness. That is
what the President said during the press conference. Trump said
Syrians have seen so much misery and death during a
years long civil war. He also agreed to end the
sanctions against Syria at the urging of the Saudi Crown
Prince and the Turkish President because there needs to be quote,
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more stability in the region now. The sanctions targeted the
Hassad regime and served as an important function, Trump said,
but now it's time for Syria to shine. Obviously, as
Issad has fled the country and is now taking up
safe haven in Russia. The US designated Syria as a
state sponsor of terrorism in nineteen seventy nine, imposed sanctions
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on the nation in two thousand and four and in
twenty eleven following the former Syrian president Assad's efforts to
end anti government protests. Sanctions imposed by the United States
deprived Syria of access to global financial systems and added
sanctions against this is the Asad regime. While the Syrian
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civil war raged for several years now. The Biden administration
in November sanctioned a Syrian conglomerate after accusing it of
using ul revenue to fund a Rand's Islamic Revolutionary Guard
and COUD forces, as well as Huthi militants for attacking
US forces in the Middle East. Syria has endured civil war,
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terrorism attacks, and secretary in warfare that included the Islamic
State taking control of parts of the nation in twenty
fourteen and beyond Western Powers. Afterwards, undertook a bombing campaign
to eliminate ISIS and restore full power to quote Syria.
Assad regime lost power in December when a militia took
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control of the Syrian capital of Damascus and other parts
of the country. This happened mainly because the money wasn't
flowing in anymore from Russia. They couldn't handle it because
of their war they'd started and their invasion of Ukraine.
Now Syria's new president he was a former member of
al Qaeda who says he has reformed his ways just
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so you know. Yes, it's complicated in the Middle East,
and the fall of Assage regime prompted the easing of
some US sanctions, but not all of them. The US
Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, will meet with Syria's new
foreign minister in Turkey later this week. Trump also said
to work out details. This announcement marks the president's first
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of four days in the Middle East. He's also scheduled
to visit the United air of Emirates and Qatar. Now
back to what the President had to say at this visit.
At the stop on this this Middle East tour, Trump
also talked about Iran and saying that Iran can have
a much brighter future, but we will never allow them
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to threaten.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
America and or our allies.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He said this, making it clear as he's in the
Middle East, We're not screwing around.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
But with that set Aaran can have a much brighter future,
but will never allow America and its allies to be
threatened with terrorism or nuclear attack. The choices there is
to make. We really want them to be a successful country.
We want them to be a wonderful, safe, great country,
but they cannot have a nuclear weapon. This is an
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offer that will not last forever. The time is right
now for them to choose.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
We don't have a lot of time to wait.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We don't have a lot of time to wait.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That is part of the warning, clearly the President wanted
to make clear as he was doing this visit in
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
The President also talked about our enemies.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yes, there are enemies around the world, and certainly there
are enemies in the Middle East. The President saying this
that the US Saudi Investment Forum in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yet I'm here today not merely to condemn the past chaos.
Iran's leaders but to offer them a new path, and
a much better path toward a far better and more
hopeful future. As I've shown repeatedly, I am willing to
end past conflicts and forge new partnerships for better and
more stable world, even of our differences may be very profound,
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which obviously they are in the case of Iran. I
have never believed in having permanent enemies. I am different
than a lot of people think. I don't like permanent enemies,
but sometimes you need enemies to do the job, and
you have to do it right. Enemies get you motivated.
In fact, some of the closest friends of the United
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States of America nations we fought wars against in generations past,
and now they're our friends and our allies.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The present, giving a pathway for a future there that
even some of the media are now saying sounds pretty nice.
Fox Business Channel talking about this, saying the President's Middle
East plan is one that we should all embrace.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
The President will never get credit for this, but that
was an amazing speech. He threw down the gauntlet where
he had to, particularly with Iran, and at the same
time he painted a picture of possibility for the Middle East.
I've never heard any other president paint. I mean, that
was truly extraordinary. He made Look he's such a good salesman.
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He said to the Middle East, you want to lead
in business and technology and culture and commerce.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Those are the exact words he used. We will do
it with you. We are in a golden age. You
can have a golden age. There's only one person on
the globe. There's only one person who could give that
speech and do it with that kind of force, and
it was him. That was totally extraordinary. You know, everyone's
talking about the follow through.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I can't wait to see.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
What kind of fallow through comes from this.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now, don't worry.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The rest of the press there going to be angry
over the President and what he had to say today.
They're angry about the fact the president's trying to have
peace in the Middle East and get this job done.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The President also saying this about God.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Listen carefully how this will play as well in the
Middle East.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I believe it is God's job to sit in judgment,
my job to defend America and to promote the fundamental
interest of stability, prosperity, and peace.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's what I really want to do.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
I will never hesitate to wield American power if it's
necessary to defend the United States or to help defend
our allies.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's pretty clear, the President saying, the terrorists in the
Middle East, if you think that you can get away
with doing what you were doing during the last four
years that Biden administration, you're flat out wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't need permanent enemies. I don't like permanent enemies.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But if you are going to screw with America or
American interests, our allies, there will be hell to pay.
The President also talking more about peace, saying he's ready
to stand and help Lebanon create a future as well
with an economic development.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
My administration stands ready to help Lebanon create a future
of economic development and peace with its neighbors.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
With its neighbors.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So you listen to this president and everything that he
just said there, why on earth would anyone in the
media criticize this right Like, why would anybody say this
is a bad thing? Well, MSNBC had no problem attacking
this trip and Israel when they said this moments after
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the President was in the Middle East talking about all
these issues.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Edi UN spokesperson on Monday did not mis mince words.
And I'm going to quote here this is not a
natural disaster, but a human made catastrophe that the world
should not allow. We have seen picture images of children
even today, carrying all their belongings through the rubble, A
tiny baby in a rainbow jumper that was killed by
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an air strike. And then there is a child this
is today with one leg, waiting on crutches just to
try to get a bit of food. These images are
so heartbreaking, so chilling. They raise the question Hamas, Yes,
Hamas is responsible. Israel has made a decision for the blockade,
But what is the responsibility of other governments? What is
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the responsibility of us all when children and innocence are
starving to death?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, it's a difficult question on a certain level
and an easy answer on another. First, I think countries
across the world needs to simply live up to international law.
What Israel is doing in relation to Gaza, the blockade
that is cutting off food and water is illegal. It's
not sanctioned by international law. I think if countries understand
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that and live up to the letter of that law
and to the intent of that law, they would hold
Israel accountable. I want to just acknowledge what the rabbi
is doing, what he's written, and what he's doing. It
is important that when you're within a particular tradition, Chris,
that you can bring the resources of that tradition to
bear on the actions of those who are committed to
the same principles and ideals and faith that you are.
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So it's within that tradition that he's bringing the basic
tenets of Judaism to bear on what Israel is doing.
And I think that's really important, and I think it's powerful,
and I understand the risk that he's taken that he's taken.
I think also for me, I just want to say,
I want to ask a basic question. How many dead
Palestinians are needed for the state of Israel.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How many dead Palestinians are needed for the state of Israel.
That is the anti Semitic propaganda that MSNBC put out
on their airwaves, not talking about all the dead is
Israelis who were killed in the horrific attack, the worse
since the Holocaust on Israel.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is what Donald Trump is up against.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And joining me is a senator from Tennessee, Marsha Blackburn Center.
Nice to have you on and Let's start with what
we're seeing with trade, because this is obviously the Democrats
and the media's worst nightmare. They wanted you to believe,
if you're a citizen in this country, that this was
going to destroy your life, that deals weren't going to
get done until next year, as they were saying on
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TV just last week on CNN, Oh, this will be
over a year until this stuff gets done. And then
sure enough, we see this major announcement with UK followed
up by another major announcement with China.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Donald Trump's getting it done.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
Yes he is. He is delivering results, and when you
have those kind of results, it elevates respect for the
United States of America around the globe. We understand that
our Trade rep is working on twenty more of these
tariff and trade deals, and you know, Ben, that also
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covers the non tariff trade barriers in those discussions. And
these are being done in a bilateral manner, a one
on one, which is how the President likes to do it.
But he is proving that he built a vision for
what this country could return to begging and our leadership
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position in the world, and he is showing how to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You look at this president. It's not just on trade deals.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But look at the last week you had UK trade deal,
China trade deal, then the release of American hostage, the
ceasefire with Indian Pakistan, ceasefire with the Hooties. Oh, and
by the way, we're going to make prescription drug costs
through an executive order much less expensive for Americans and
giving US Favored nation status on these prices.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's just in a week.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Yes it is. And of course the MSN issue with
the pharmaceuticals is his way of getting these pharmaceutical companies
to the table. We have five percent of the world's population,
but we represent seventy five percent. A pharmaceutical company profits
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because they're subsidizing these negotiated prices in other countries. Now
also getting rid of these pharmacy benefit managers, who are
the middlemen between your insurance company and you at the
pharmacy counter, getting rid of them because they go in there,
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they take the rebates, they negotiate what you're going to
be allowed to have. That is why people may be
on a certain pharmaceutical and then all of a sudden
three months into that, six months into it, well there's
a change and they can't have it anymore. They have
to get something that is different, and their physician has said, no,
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this is the prescription that you need, and people are
tired of that. So we just left a hearing today
with these pharmacy benefit managers. It is my legislation that
rains them in and will end this practice of them
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taking the rebates and driving up the price on consumers.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It is incredible and now having this change is going
to help all Americans. It should be a non political issue,
but it does seem like the Democratic Party is completely
controlled by big pharma and their investment in each one
of their candidates.
Speaker 9 (23:42):
Well, it does appear to be that way, and when
you look at it, I think that it's easy to
see why people feel that. But reigning in the PBMs,
I'm telling you that I've gotten a lot of bipartisan
support on my legislation. It is moving through Finance Committee.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It brings me down a little bit when you say PBMs.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I want people to understand it because it seems complicated,
especially if you don't know. So can you explain exactly
how this legislation would work. I think it's important.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Absolutely. When Bill Clinton was in office and they were
looking at trying to nationalize healthcare, and of course we
had the version of Hillary Care in Tennessee, which was Tencare.
They came up with this idea that they would have
a pharmacy benefit manager who would work between the pharmaceutical
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company and the insurance company and the patient. And what
they would do for the insurance company is go to
the pharmaceutical companies and negotiate prices. Well, as the rebates
got bigger, these PBMs got bigger, and they started saying
to the insurance companies, hey will take the rebate and
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we will split it with you. Well, the poor patient,
those of us that are going to the pharmacy counter.
We're still playing the full note on this, and it's
why you've seen cops go up. It's also why you've
seen some prescriptions be disallowed by your insurance plan. Why
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were they doing that because the PBM says, Okay, let's
go over here to another company with a similar pharmaceutical
and let's do business there because we get a bigger rebate.
So it becomes a profit motive motive, and it puts
profit at the center and not the patient at the center.
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So my legislation would require them to move these PBMs
to a service fee and it would be a flat rate.
And also it requires them to use any willing pharmacy. Now,
in Tennessee, we've had one hundred and twenty pharmacies the
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clothes over the last decade. These are independent pharmacies. Many
times it is the only healthcare access point in some
of our rural or underserved communities, and the PBMs have
driven them out of business because they will not put
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them in the formulary. We've had research from the Tennessee
Department of Commerce and Insurance that shows even one of
the PBMs in our state elevated the price on five
hundred and fifty different drugs, did what they call spread
pricing to the tune of thirty million dollars, and then
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also refused to pay these pharmacies within the seven day
pay period. So it makes it hard for these independent
and small pharmacies to do business. So what my legislation
would do would be to end that and say any
pharmacy that is willing to participate with a plan, you
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have got to let them into that plan and let
them provide for those patients. And it would cap the fee.
That would mean they can't get that rebate. It would
cap them at a service fee and disallow the rebate.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So what does this look like moving forward?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And what are people that are listening to advocate for
who do they need to be calling?
Speaker 9 (27:29):
Well, what they need to do is be contacting some
of the House members and encourage them to support it.
They need to be contacting their senators to support Pharmacy
Benefit Manager reconstruction and reform. And you know, as I said,
we're raining them in. I would like to remove them
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as a part of the marketplace. We don't need the
middleman and on this, and we don't need somebody the
unelected bureaucrats who are out here changing what people can
have access to when their physician has already told them
what they need to be taking.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's incredible final question for you, and I know you
got to go, but I want to get it deals
with this issue. Are you surprised at just the amount
of hypocrisy from the media in the left? They looked
the other way as masses of men crossed illegally all
over the globe in the US everywhere for the last
four years under the Biden administration, literally millions coming in.
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And now the media is furious that Donald Trump has
allowed a fuse and this non exaggeration a few dozen
South Africans to come to the US legally as refugees.
But they said nothing about Arizona, for example, or Texas
or New Mexico when it was being overrun by thousands
of Afghan aliens crossing illegally every day in December of
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twenty twenty three.
Speaker 9 (28:57):
The hypocrisy is, it is astounding. And when you look
at the fact that ICE has been working in Tennessee
and around Middle Tennessee, and my understanding is they have
had about one hundred and forty apprehensions and detentions. These
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are individuals that are gang members, Trende are Agua MS thirteen,
which we have declared as a country, that these are
foreign terrorist organizations. You've got murderers, rapists, child rapists, pedophiles,
child predators that are included in these numbers. And the
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Democrats are out here saying don't lock them up, don't
deport them, and trying to say these people who have
illegally entered the country, trying to act as if they
have constitutional rights that citizens have. They have illegally entered
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the country with just a crime and then they have
committed crime against our fellow Tennesseeans and have robbed people
of their property, or who have dangered them or injured them,
or in the child rapist, you know, trying to defend
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these people. I haven't talked to many folks that want
these people living in their neighborhoods. They are criminals and
they want them off the street. They want to see
them locked up, and they don't want them back in
their neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Amen to that center. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I appreciate you coming on and we will certainly keep
people update on this legislation you're working on.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
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