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The Event
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Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a 22-year-old man named Tyler Robinson after a 33-hour manhunt.
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Robinson is someone raised conservative but “radicalized to the left.”
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Details on the Shooter
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Presented as intelligent (high GPA, ACT scores, scholarship) but later radicalized online and possibly at college.
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Mentions engraved messages on bullet casings with references to anti-fascism, LGBTQ+ memes, and video game codes.
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Suggests his roommate was transgender, possibly a romantic partner.
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Criticism of Media & Political Opponents
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Argues that mainstream media (e.g., New York Times, Daily Beast) downplayed or misrepresented the ideological motives of the shooter.
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Accuses the left of lying, celebrating Kirk’s death, and creating a climate of political violence.
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Religious & Spiritual Framing
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Kirk was a conservative leader but also an evangelist and Christian apologist.
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His pastor describes him as a “once-in-a-generation” figure whose murder is framed as both political and spiritual warfare.
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Parallels are drawn between his faith and martyrdom, with references to demonic opposition.
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Political Violence Theme
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Positions political violence as a growing problem attributed mainly to the left.
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Cites polls claiming many left-leaning respondents condone violence against figures like Trump or Elon Musk.
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Draws parallels to rhetoric labeling conservatives as “fascists” or “Hitler,” arguing it legitimizes violence.
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Public & Social Media Reactions
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Notes celebrations of Kirk’s death by some individuals online and in academia.
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Highlights instances of people being fired for making celebratory or critical remarks.
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Discusses Stephen King tweeting a false claim about Kirk, later deleting and apologizing.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome. It is verdicuous center.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you and sat her as
sad as this week has been, at least we do
get to start with some news that is good news,
and that is at the shooter, the assassin of Charlie
Kirk has been caught.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, that's right.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
After a thirty three hour manhunt, the law enforcement has
apprehended Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Tyler Robinson is a.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Twenty two year old Utah man. He was apparently raised
in a Mormon household, in a conservative household, and apparently
radicalized in recent years. He was a bright student. He
had a four point zero GPA. He got a thirty
four out of thirty six.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
On the Act. He won a.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Scholarship to go to college, although he didn't last even
a year at college, and apparently he had become radicalized,
had been moving more and more left wing, and at
the end of the day he carried out extreme left
wing violence. We're going to break down what we know
about this murderer and what the consequences are of this
(01:04):
assassination that is so painful to those of us who
were friends with Charlie Kirk, those of us who were
touched the millions who were touched by Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We're going to break down what.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We know about this murderer, and we're going to talk
more broadly about the problem of left wing violence, of
politicized left wing violence. It is a serious and growing
challenge in this country, and there are an awful lot
of Democrats and awful lot of people in the media
that are trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We're going to break that down for you as well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it's truly just a heartbreaking story and there's so
much that we've learned, and we're going to get all
to it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In a second.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I want to talk to you real quickly though, about
my friends over at Berna. You guys know I'm pro
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to save my life when i was a target of
a gang initiation. But for many people that are listening
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(02:02):
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Speaker 1 (02:14):
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Speaker 2 (02:17):
Josh, many of us just saw that video footage of
the recent mob attack of a man and a woman
in downtown Cincinnati. Josh, many of us saw the video
footage of the recent mob attack of a man and
a woman in downtown Cincinnati, and it was shocking. Can
you share a little more about what happened and could
a less lethal weapon like the Burno launcher be used
in a situation like this to defend yourself?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Absolutely, Like you said, we all saw the videos and unfortunately,
after a jazz festival, a man was attacked by a
mob of individuals that just continued going and continued going,
and unfortunately he was unable to defend himself despite other
people trying to help. This is one of those instances
where clearly these people are looking for an easy target.
The trick here is to make your self a hard target,
(03:01):
have a way to defend yourself to facilitate that escape.
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Speaker 2 (03:16):
And why wouldn't the victim in this case just want
to pull a gun on these suspects.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's an important question.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
You know, it absolutely is, And there's a couple reasons.
One is the legality. Depending on where you are, you
may not even be able to carry a gun, or
maybe coming from a private event where a gun may
not be illegal as well. And then two, in order
to pull a gun, you need to understand that there
has to be a reasonable expectation that there's going to
be death or serious boddle injury. Cause do you pull
that gun too early and you're likely the one to
(03:44):
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Speaker 1 (03:55):
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let's talk about the incredible work by law enforcement. And
(04:19):
I was truly shocked by the fact that when Cashpttel
was heading out to where this took place, there were
people in Maybia criticizing him, including former high level members
in the FBI that were throwing shade, saying, well, this
is abnormal for him to go out there. This is
something we're not used to. Can't believe that he would
(04:40):
break protocols he described it. I'm glad to know we
have an FBI director that's willing to go out there
to something like this and make sure that all resources
are working.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And we caught him.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
This was a major priority for the FBI. This was
a major priority for both state and local law enforcement
in Utah, and it took just over a day to
catch the shooter.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
The evidence we had very early on. We had the
video of the shooter on the roof of the building
from which he fired fired the shot. We also had
the video that the FBI put out publicly of the
shooter jumping down off the roof and running into the woods.
Very shortly thereafter, the FBI and law enforcement recovered the rifle,
(05:24):
recovered bullet casings with the rifle, and and if you
look at the bullet casings, so each of the casings
had different inscriptions on it. So one of the inscriptions
said hey, fascist, catch another one said notice bulges O
(05:45):
w O what's this? Which my understanding is that's that's
a reference to an online meme about transgenderism. I'll confess
I'm not familiar with that particular meme, but but according
to the press that that that's that's what it concerns.
Another one, an engraving had up arrow, right, arrow, three
(06:09):
down arrow symbols, which press coverage has said is the
sequence of controller moves that unleashes the five hundred megaton
bomb in Hell Divers two. I play video games, but
I don't play that particular video game. And then yet
another casing included lyrics from the song Bella Chow, which
(06:34):
was an Italian song adopted by the anti fascist resistance
during World War Two. And because I am looking at
the New York Times, they're not including the one that
says if you're reading this, you're gay, lol, which I
just happen to know from reading other stories, but it
says something that the New York Times magically omitted that
(06:57):
one from their chronicling of it. Of course, look, one
of the things that happened within minutes of this this
suspect being apprehended is Twitter started going crazy with with
leftist saying, oh, this guy is really a conservative, He's
a right winger, which which I have to say, really
(07:19):
defies imagination. Number one, look at the target of who
he shot. He shot Charlie Kirk. The natural, uh, the
the natural understanding is it's someone who deeply disagreed with
what Charlie was saying and was shooting him to silence
him because he didn't want people to hear the words
he was saying.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
That his family had told law enforcement that that Tyler
had become enmeshed and obsessed with hard left ideology, that
at a recent family dinner he made reference to the
fact that Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah and and
discussed just just how much he hated Charlie Kirk. All
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of that evidence is coming out. I want you to
listen to the Governor of Utah just describing the facts
as they're rolling out that this is the Governor of Utah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Spencer Cox area with trees.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
On the edge of the UVU campus, investigators discovered a
bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel. The
rifle was determined to be a Mouser Model ninety eight
thirty six thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle
had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted
inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.
(08:37):
Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices bulges capital, wo,
what's this question mark. Inscriptions on the three unfired casings
read hay fascist, exclamation point, catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol,
right arrow and symbol, and three down aaro symbols. A
(09:01):
second unfired casing read oh belichow belichow, belichow chow chow.
And a third unfired casing red. If you read this
you are gay LMAO. We are indebted to law enforcement
across the state who has worked seamlessly together local law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You go back to the last one you noticed that
you said it was admitted by the New York Times.
That tells you everything about them trying to push a
narrative here I also think it goes back to just
the lies that were being told, as you mentioned earlier,
that this was somehow a conservative that did this. Clearly
it was not another way it was described. And I'll
read the cover of the New York Post. Their headline
(09:45):
from Gosh an hour ago said, quote, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin,
Tyler Robinson's deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology. The Utah governor
continues to explain.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Well, it's misinformation and disinformation because activists and leftists and
democrats in the corporate media don't want to acknowledge the
obvious ideological agenda here written on the on the shellcasings.
You have number one that this was about believing Charlie
Kirk is a fascist. That's, of course the language that
the Democrats have been saying over and over and over
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again about Charlie Kirk, about Donald Trump, about Republicans generally.
And you have two references to fascist. One one the
direct word hey fascist catch But then then secondly you
have the Belichow song, which which again both of those
are are directly saying Charlie in the view of the shooter,
as a fascist. And then you have two that are
(10:40):
focused on LGBT issues, one being gay and the second
being transgender, and again, an awful lot of the media
doesn't want to acknowledge that that ideological component. On top
of that, we have the fact that has come out
just recently, which is apparently Tyler's roommate is a transgender
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male who is transitioning to become a female. And there
are conflicting reports whether Tyler and this transgender individual were
engaged in a romantic and sexual relationship or not. But
you had someone who was at a minimum of roommate
with someone who's transgender and may in fact have been
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a sexual lover of someone who's transgender, and yet the
media is not acknowledging. We are seeing a clear pattern,
a clear pattern. And I got to say, you look
at there's some videos online of this this fellow Tyler
when he was younger, just a couple of years ago,
and he seems like a perfectly normal, happy kid. He
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doesn't seem like someone suffering.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
From menal class at college that looked I mean, if
you look at the timeline, it looks like you went
to college center and that's when he got radicalized.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well maybe college. He also apparently spent a lot of
time on Reddit and Discord and four Chan and and
and online. It's possible that that's that's where he was radicalized.
It's it's not clear what the source of it is. Uh,
but we do know that that he was on Discord
talking back and forth about the shooting. He was telling
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other other people on Discord that that that he had
left a rifle wrapped in a towel. He mentioned shellcasings
that were engraved. I mean that that that was part
of what confirmed this is the right guy. And and
when law enforcement went and talked with his roommate, Uh,
they were able to see these messages where he described
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the rifle which was in fact wrapped in a towel,
and and and so that uh, the ideological hatred, intolerance,
and I got to say, the speed with which this
young man was radicalized and filled with homicidal hate is terrifying.
Now there is the tragic personal aspect of it that
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apparently it was his own family. It was his father
who recognized him from the picture that the FBI had
released and confronted him, and according to the reports, Tyler
essentially confessed and his father urged him to turn himself
in and Tyler said he wanted to kill himself instead,
but his father brought in a youth pastor who knew Tyler,
(13:30):
and together they turned him in. Look, I got to say, Ben,
you and I are both both fathers. I'm glad the
father did that, But I cannot imagine a more hellish
experience for a father than realizing the monstrosity that your
son has just carried out.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. And it was
one of the things that you know, his father apparently
worked in law enforcement, and so I'm sure he thought
to himself like, hey, hey, it's the right thing to do.
Be he's probably saving his son life at that point,
are a very good chance of it in a sense,
because he knew that if he was found by law
enforcement and fought back, it was going to be game over.
And the entire and the entire government, local, state, and
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federal was trying to find him, and they were going
to find him. So that says thing I think about
father's love. I want to go back to just you
look at what the media has admitted from this. You
have a guy that you know there's a good chance
hit a trans boyfriend he called Charlie a fascist. That
is something the left has been using that word fascist, fascist, fascist.
(14:32):
You've been called it. I don't even know how many
times online. I've been called it. I don't even know
how many times online every time I do TV. Now,
that's the number one thing I see in there. I'm
sure you and I have been called it today, Yeah, today, bingo,
And it's like the number one word now of the left.
We also know that he's been confirmed to be a
leftist by friends and family. He's been confirmed a leftist
(14:53):
by top officials on record, including the governor. He killed
one of the most iconic conservatives in the country, and
yet leftists are still claiming right now online that he
was right wing. I mean, these people have no shame,
they have no integrity.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They's this information.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yes, it's what the media does so well.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It is fundamentally dishonest. And I will say the demonization
from the left. We've also seen the people on the
left celebrating, openly celebrating this murder, and it has been
really striking. It's been disturbing how many school teachers have
been celebrating, and how many employees of the US government
(15:33):
have been celebrating, and on the left, not everybody. There
are some who have shown restraint, but this celebration on
the left is far too commonplace and it's deeply disturbing.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You talk about that aspect of it, and I go back,
there has been something that's changed this time around, and
I am thankful for this. There does seem to be
accountability for this hate for people in different jobs. We've
seen I think now well over a couple dozen administrators
teachers at public universities and private universities that have been
fired lost their jobs for celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
(16:13):
We saw it, for example, another story that went viral
of an office depot individual he refused to print Charlie
Kirk tribute flyers and call them propaganda. Thank goodness they've
been fired. I do think now what we are seeing
is the people that used to get away with this stuff.
There was no accountability. Now there does seem to be
a level of accountability. As a reaction to the.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Hurriel Musks buying, Twitter created a forum where suddenly when
people behave like this, they're exposed and there is accountability.
And Ben listen, I'll say there's a component of this
a clear component of this that is political. That is
the ultimate form of censorship, which is silencing those who
disagree with you through murder. And in fact, something I
(16:57):
retweeted yesterday was someone online said, they don't kill you
because you're a Nazi. They call you a Nazi, so
they can kill you. And and and that's the right
relationship between this rhetoric is this rhetoric is about giving
a permission structure that if Trump is Hitler. Look how
(17:19):
many people have had the old you know philosophy question,
if you could encounter baby Hitler as a toddler, would
you kill baby Hitler? And a very substantial percentage of
Americans say, yes, I would kill baby Hitler if I
had the chance. Well, if Trump is Hitler, Uh, it's
not much of a leap to see where that comparison
(17:41):
is going. And look, this is a political battle, but
this is also a spiritual battle. Because one of the
things about Charlie Kirk is he was one of the
most important evangelists in the country and in the world,
and in fact he was also one of the most
important Christian apologists in the world. That was a very
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it was an integral aspect of what he did, and
I want to play a couple of things on this
number one.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Play Charlie's pastor. Charlie's pastor talking about the work Charlie
did preparing to be an evangelist at a Christian apologist
and I found this. I don't know this pastor, but
I found this really profound what he described.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Give a listen.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Charlie Kirk is a once in a generation mind and
soul and anointing and heart. Charlie Kirk was a rare
combination of evangelist, apologist and political strategist. One of our
most recent communications, he said, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
I have a ton of questions.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
I didn't ask for it, but I have become a
high profile defender of the faith.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I need to be the best I can.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Said, I'd be honored to serve for free, invisibly as needed.
You have an anointing to Steward and its massive. Proud
of you and pray for you and your family daily.
Charlie Kirk and I had been communicating. I was on
vacation with my wife and he was asking one wee
could get together for a half day. He had a
bunch of questions about the Christian faith that he wanted
(19:22):
to wipe bard out, and I told him it would
be a great honor of my life to.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Try and serve him.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
He told me that he felt like God gave him
this platform an opportunity so that he could become an
evangelist and apologist to the next generation. He wanted to
make it his primary message and life work to proclaim
the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which
is evangelism, and then defend it by answering criticisms, questions,
(19:51):
and objections, which is called apologetics, which means to defend
the faith. Charlie Kirk stepped into a level of spiritual
warfare that I believe moved him to the top of
the enemy's hit list and to some degree contributed to
his assassination, his murder, and has martyrdom today. And I
do not use those words lightly. Those are entirely accurate
(20:13):
and fit the description of the demonic activity that we
saw today. Charlie wanted people to meet Jesus Christ, and
he wanted to do the best job that he could
presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And as a result,
Charlie was going to campuses and he was proclaiming Jesus,
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and he was answering questions, and he was a generational
master in doing what the Bible says, and that is
to give an answer to everyone for the hope that
you have with gentleness and respect. He was a joyful,
happy warrior. He had a great smile. He was kind
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to his enemies. He tried to have a good time
even when they were trying to give him a bad time.
His impact on this generation cannot be overstated. I believe
it is absolutely non hyperbolic to say that he is
the greatest conservative voice of this generation alive on planet Earth.
(21:19):
And one of the last times I saw him was backstage.
It was actually some months ago, I believe, when JD.
Vance was in town and Charlie invited me to come
meet JD in the greenroom and hang out with them.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
And I walked in with a big smile.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
He gave me a big hug, and he said, he said,
I need you to be praying for me, Pastor. I said, absolutely,
I pray for Charlie every day my wife and I
have and for his beautiful family he said, he said,
I think they're going to try and kill me, and
he said, if we lose, I think they're going to
incarcerate me.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Here's a young man with a family.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Who willing to sacrifice his own life and well being
and the joy he had with a wife whom he
very much loved and children that he completely adored for
the sake of selfless service.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
And sacrifice out of love for others.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Charlie is was and will forever be one of the
most significant men who walked on planet Earth in his generation.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You listened to his pastor, and there's one aspect TC
that I think is so important for people to understand
about Charlie.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Charlie studied really, really, really hard.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Because he felt like it was a obligation of duty
to what he believed in, to God, to faith, to
understand the Bible, and stayed the way that he did that.
And it wasn't just on this issue. There was a
story that came out hours before this speech that he
was giving this grand debate at this college chemist in Utah.
He was on the phone for hours in a prep
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call to defend Israel as well with two people that
I know, one I know very well, and he said
he didn't feel like he was ready for some of
the new things and new attacks on Israel, and he
wanted to whiteboard it out the same way that he
was just mentioned there with that pastor, he put in
the work. He didn't just show up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, the preparation was incredibly important. I mentioned that he
was an apologist, and the pastor there explained apologetics is
the practice of defending the Christian faith. And it doesn't
mean apology in the sense of saying I'm sorry, but
it means it means confronting the arguments from the skeptics,
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from those who doubt Christianity, and confronting them and addressing
them directly. And there have been great apologists in the past,
people like C. S. Lewis, maybe the greatest who ever lived.
And I think Charlie very much followed in the tradition
of C. S.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Lewis.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I want you to listen to another exchange, and this
is between Charlie and Tucker Carlson talking again about the
spiritual aspect of the battle that's been playing out.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
To give a listen, I wonder if by continuing to
lie they aren't about everything, they're driving all of us
a little crazy.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Well, this is why your faith is the most important thing,
because for those of us that are Christians, it doesn't
drive you crazy. You actually see what's going on, which
is that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
but against principalities and darkness and spirits. That there is
a spiritual war here. And you're right, Tucker. I find
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people in this space that are not anchored to faith,
anchored to Jesus. They do lose their mind because there
is no rational or reasonable explanation for what the country
is doing to itself or what we are experiencing. But
if you then see, and you know that there is
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a God and we are not him, that there is
an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that
are constantly struggling struggling around us, and that there is
a supernatural dimension as you mentioned, all of a sudden,
that does that make sense. It does not make any
rational sense to shut down your schools so you could
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sacrifice the kids so the elderly can live. That makes
no sense whatsoever. It makes no sense whatsoever to keep
your marijuana dispensaries open and your alcohol shops open, but
the church non essential. Only a demonic enterprise would do
such a thing. Only a demonic enterprise would say that
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Easter and Pentecost are non essential, but race, rioting and
burning down a Wendy's is essential activity.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And Tucker, you talk about this a lot.
Speaker 10 (25:54):
For those of us that know the truth, we know
that our God is a god of order and distinction.
What is the first thing that God did in the
Hebrew scripture, as it says well and also our scripture
in the original Genesis bet are sheets, which is in
the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and
then he separated and he made sense.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
He made order out of chaos.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Our God is a god of order, and order only
comes with distinctions, and distinctions are necessary. Think about all
the distinctions that God set up in the first six
books of Genesis that are currently under attack. The distinction
between male and female, the distinction between man and nature,
the distinction between the holy and the profane, the distinction
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between good and evil, the distinction between infant and adults.
These distinctions have always been what Western civilization were built upon.
But it is Satan's goal to blur and eventually destroy
those distinctions because those distinctions of which we get order.
And if you do not have that order, then you
have the closest thing to satanic chaos here spot on.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And this is where I do believe we are turning
the tide in this country, where people are listening to
conservatives like they never had before in my lifetime certainly.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Well, and this is a spiritual battle. And part of
why I think Charlie was silenced is because he was
such an unapologetic voice for christ. You know Nicole Shanahan
who was ran as the vice presidential nominee with RFK Junior,
she posted something this week where she said, you have
to actually be willfully full of demonic hate to cheer
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for that, And I think that's exactly right, that it
is demonic hate. The people who are filled with jubilation
that Charlie Kirk was murdered. That is a demonic level
of hatred and it's it is frightening just how normalized
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that has become on the left. And another exact ample
of that is a back and forth exchange that I
had with Stephen King, the Horror author and it started
it started with Stephen King tweeting about Charlie Kirk. He
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advocated stoning Gaze to death, just saying so that's what
he put out there, and he had millions and millions
of views. I have to admit that really pissed me off,
and so I responded to him, and I tweeted back
at him. I said, you are a horrible, evil, twisted liar.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
No, he did not.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Your party, which you shamelessly shilled for, sent one hundred
billion dollars to the Ayahtola, who does routinely murder homosexuals.
Why are you so dishonest and filled with hate?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Now?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
My response there got over thirteen million views, and Stephen
King suddenly found his rabid, hateful partisanship under real scrutiny
and criticism. And within hours, Stephen King deleted the tweet
and apologized, and he apologized over and over and over again.
So in response to me, Stephen King said, the horrible, evil,
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twisted liar apologizes. This is what I get for reading
something on Twitter without fact checking. Won't happen again now.
Now I responded to that, and I said, I appreciate that.
Stephen King deleted the false tweet about Charlie Kirk and apologized.
All of us on both sides of the aisle should
treat each other with respect and decency, even if we
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disagree on politics. Charlie did that every day and I
admired him for it. Now I want to address something here, Ben,
because back and forth in the debates on this, there
is a question, particularly among conservative how should we respond
to this left wing hate, And it is broken into
two categories. There are some that are saying we've got
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to respond and fight them full force and go after them,
and there are others who are saying, well, both sides
are too overheated, and it is pejoratively characterized as both
sides ism in the debate. And I think the truth
is somewhere in the middle, and let me explain what
it means. And maybe this will tick off both sides
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when I say this, but look, there are clearly standards
that should apply to everyone. Number One, political violence is
always always wrong, whether you agree with a person or
disagree with their politics. Someone being murdered for what they
are saying, for their speech, for their political views is wrong.
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That should be accepted on both in every side. Number Two,
as a matter of decency, all of us should endeavor
to treat each other with respect and human dignity. That's
a standard I try to hold myself to and it's
a standard everyone should. So when you say that when
Stephen King, I didn't like his vile comment, but when
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he deleted it and apologized, I wanted to say, Okay,
I appreciate that you deleted it and apologized. I wanted
to give some modicum of grace. You know, in part
I think Charlie would have accepted that apology. He wouldn't
necessarily have believed that Stephen King has suddenly reformed and
has turned from his wicked ways. Yeah, but allowing someone
to say, Okay, I'm sorry I was wrong, that has value.
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But here's where the both sides ism is flat out wrong.
There's some and you see this like your old employer,
CNN loves to do this. Well, there's bad rhetoric on
both sides, and there's violence on both sides. This is
just a problem in the world. Well, no, this is
a problem that is particularly acute and prevalent on the
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life left.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I go back to this, how many I mean we
watched one of our own be assassinated. Did any cities
get burned down?
Speaker 7 (32:08):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Not there any police officers that were attacked. No, was
there any assaults on people because of it? That were angry. No,
and yet they're mad. I love this headline from the
Daily Beasts, which, if you don't know what that is,
a hardcore liberal propaganda machine that has an incredible amount
of influence in the left. Their headline yesterday ten oh
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five am. Keyboard Warriors, grieving this week's assassination of self
annointed champion of quote unquote free speech, Charlie Kirk, have
launched an online campaign to get anyone who criticizes him
fired from their jobs. Their subheadline is free speech crazed
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Maga Karen's go full cancel culture on Kirk critics. No,
let's be clear about the people we are exposing.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's people. They weren't criticizing Tari Kirk.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk in our
major positions of power at universities and at other jobs,
or things like we mentioned earlier where they refuse to
put up to print out a piece of paper for goodness.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Six.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, but ben, let me make two distinctions that are
important because it's easy to get these confused. Number One,
let's talk free speech. Yes, in the United States, the
First Amendment gives you the right to speech to speak
and not to be criminally prosecuted for it. So you
can say the most horrible hateful things. You do have
a First Amendment right to say unbelievably horrible hateful things.
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You can say that you are celebrating the murder of
Charlie Kirk or anyone else. In the First Amendment will
protect your ability to do so, which means the government
cannot come prosecute you and put you in jail for
saying that. The First Amendment does not mean that you
are immune from the consequences of your speech. And if
you say things that are horrible and hateful, it is
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not uncommon for someone to be terminated. So, for example,
at a university, if a student goes and decides to
dress in a white robe as a clansman and burn
across and say that we should murder African American students,
I guarantee you that student will be expelled from school. Now,
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you can't prosecute him as a First Amendment right to
do that. So that is not a criminal offense to
do that, correct, but the university should absolutely expel him
because of just how noxious those views are. The same
is true here when you have teachers that are celebrating
cold blooded murder. There are consequences for that, but that's
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a distinction. I'll point out also the president of the
Oxford Union who debated Charlie Kirk and is this vicious leftist.
He put out a tweet celebrating, let's effing go he said,
when Charlie Kirk was shot. This is a guy who
literally had one on one debated against Charlie Kirk. And
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he is the incoming president of the Oxford Union, which
pretentiously describes itself as the world's greatest debating society. Look,
in my view, this individual ought to be expelled from
Oxford for the same reason you would expel him if
he were a klansman burning across and saying, let's murder
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black students. Now, the United Kingdom does not have the
same First Amendment that applies to it the way the
United States does.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
So.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Actually, in England, if he said that, he might well
be criminally prosecuted. I don't agree with criminally prosecuting speech.
But the First Amendment does not give you a get
out of jail free pass. Look, I promise you, any
one of you in your jobs, if you go in
and tell your boss go screw yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, you're gonna get fired.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
You will get fired. You have a first mount right
to say so. But he also has a right to
terminate you. But let me say secondly on this both sides,
is the media really wants to say, gosh, political violence,
it's a problem that just occurs everywhere. No right now
is it is heavily concentrated on the left, and the
left has normalized political violence. We saw two separate assassination
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attempts of Donald Trump. We saw this tragically successful assassination
of Charlie kirk Over, and we saw for a year
Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. And I want to
read you some polling results that were done last year,
and people were asked, would it be justified to murder
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Elon Musk? And would it be justified to murder Donald Trump?
And those who were self described left of center, fifty
point two percent said it would be justified to murder
Elon Musk, and fifty six percent said it would be
justified to m Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That is.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
And and by the way, the right of center numbers
were fourteen point three percent and twenty point three percent,
So I wish all those numbers were zero. But this
is a problem on the left. This is a problem
when you define your opponent as Hitler, Nazi, evil fascist.
That is a permission structure to then say violence is
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an appropriate response, and we need to see Democrats having
the courage to say.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Enough is enough. Look.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Bill Maher did a great job where he's in his monologue.
He said, let's be clear, Donald Trump is not Hitler.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Stop saying that.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Stop saying it exactly well, and I think now they're
realizing that using the words fascist and Hitler and these
types of things has dissensitized people and advocated and allowed
for this type of violence to become reality. Where the
big question you were asking is what's next. I do
want to say one thing that I think I've found
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incredibly comforting is seeing how many young people are at
colleges this week in over college football. We're putting up
signs saying that they are Charlie Kirk. The number of
people that are following him now on Instagram exploited by
I don't think I'm wrong. I think it's millions of
people now who.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Are then I think it is likely that more people
have listened to Charlie Kirk speak in the last week
than did in the entirety of his life.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, and that's the silver lining.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
His Christian testimony has become so powerful. I will say
his wife, Erica, the speech she gave this week reduced
me to tears. It was beautiful. God's anointing was upon
her as she did that. And a lot of people
who had never clicked on and watched Charlie Kirk say
anything this week did so and said, Hey, who is
this guy that touched so many people. I think a
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lot of people chose to open their Bible and start
reading their Bible. A lot of people chose to go
to church. That is a great thing. That is something
I hope and believe we're going to see a lot
more of. And let me say in subsequent podcast, we're
going to talk about what's coming next. And here's one
of the most important things that I am urging the President,
the Department of Justice, the FBI to do, which is
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follow the money. Follow the money of everyone that is
pushing this leftist hatred, that is pushing this violence. There
is real money that is going into these riots on campus,
that is going into funding ANTIFA, that is going into
funding Black Lives Matter, and we need to. This is
not just one isolated lunatic in Utah. We need to
follow the money behind the radicalization that is leading to
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people being so twisted and engaging in these horrific acts
of violence.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Aim into that. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you and sat her as
sad as this week has been, at least we do
get to start with some news that is good news,
and that is at the shooter, the assassin of Charlie
Kirk has been caught.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, that's right.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
After a thirty three hour manhunt, the law enforcement has
apprehended Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Tyler Robinson is a.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Twenty two year old Utah man. He was apparently raised
in a Mormon household, in a conservative household, and apparently
radicalized in recent years. He was a bright student. He
had a four point zero GPA. He got a thirty
four out of thirty six.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
On the Act. He won a.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Scholarship to go to college, although he didn't last even
a year at college, and apparently he had become radicalized,
had been moving more and more left wing, and at
the end of the day he carried out extreme left
wing violence. We're going to break down what we know
about this murderer and what the consequences are of this
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assassination that is so painful to those of us who
were friends with Charlie Kirk, those of us who were
touched the millions who were touched by Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We're going to break down what.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We know about this murderer, and we're going to talk
more broadly about the problem of left wing violence, of
politicized left wing violence. It is a serious and growing
challenge in this country, and there are an awful lot
of Democrats and awful lot of people in the media
that are trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We're going to break that down for you as well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it's truly just a heartbreaking story and there's so
much that we've learned, and we're going to get all
to it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In a second.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I want to talk to you real quickly though, about
my friends over at Berna. You guys know I'm pro
Second Amendment. You know that I've actually used my firearm
to save my life when i was a target of
a gang initiation. But for many people that are listening
are family members. You may not feel comfortable caring a firearm.
You still need to be able to protect yourselves and
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(02:02):
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Speaker 1 (02:14):
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Speaker 2 (02:17):
Josh, many of us just saw that video footage of
the recent mob attack of a man and a woman
in downtown Cincinnati. Josh, many of us saw the video
footage of the recent mob attack of a man and
a woman in downtown Cincinnati, and it was shocking. Can
you share a little more about what happened and could
a less lethal weapon like the Burno launcher be used
in a situation like this to defend yourself?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Absolutely, Like you said, we all saw the videos and unfortunately,
after a jazz festival, a man was attacked by a
mob of individuals that just continued going and continued going,
and unfortunately he was unable to defend himself despite other
people trying to help. This is one of those instances
where clearly these people are looking for an easy target.
The trick here is to make your self a hard target,
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have a way to defend yourself to facilitate that escape.
And that's really where Burna comes in. You know, depending
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Speaker 2 (03:16):
And why wouldn't the victim in this case just want
to pull a gun on these suspects.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's an important question.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
You know, it absolutely is, And there's a couple reasons.
One is the legality. Depending on where you are, you
may not even be able to carry a gun, or
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to pull a gun, you need to understand that there
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be death or serious boddle injury. Cause do you pull
that gun too early and you're likely the one to
(03:44):
be going to jail. So in this case, a less
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Speaker 1 (03:55):
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let's talk about the incredible work by law enforcement. And
(04:19):
I was truly shocked by the fact that when Cashpttel
was heading out to where this took place, there were
people in Maybia criticizing him, including former high level members
in the FBI that were throwing shade, saying, well, this
is abnormal for him to go out there. This is
something we're not used to. Can't believe that he would
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break protocols he described it. I'm glad to know we
have an FBI director that's willing to go out there
to something like this and make sure that all resources
are working.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And we caught him.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
This was a major priority for the FBI. This was
a major priority for both state and local law enforcement
in Utah, and it took just over a day to
catch the shooter.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
The evidence we had very early on. We had the
video of the shooter on the roof of the building
from which he fired fired the shot. We also had
the video that the FBI put out publicly of the
shooter jumping down off the roof and running into the woods.
Very shortly thereafter, the FBI and law enforcement recovered the rifle,
(05:24):
recovered bullet casings with the rifle, and and if you
look at the bullet casings, so each of the casings
had different inscriptions on it. So one of the inscriptions
said hey, fascist, catch another one said notice bulges O
(05:45):
w O what's this? Which my understanding is that's that's
a reference to an online meme about transgenderism. I'll confess
I'm not familiar with that particular meme, but but according
to the press that that that's that's what it concerns.
Another one, an engraving had up arrow, right, arrow, three
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down arrow symbols, which press coverage has said is the
sequence of controller moves that unleashes the five hundred megaton
bomb in Hell Divers two. I play video games, but
I don't play that particular video game. And then yet
another casing included lyrics from the song Bella Chow, which
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was an Italian song adopted by the anti fascist resistance
during World War Two. And because I am looking at
the New York Times, they're not including the one that
says if you're reading this, you're gay, lol, which I
just happen to know from reading other stories, but it
says something that the New York Times magically omitted that
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one from their chronicling of it. Of course, look, one
of the things that happened within minutes of this this
suspect being apprehended is Twitter started going crazy with with
leftist saying, oh, this guy is really a conservative, He's
a right winger, which which I have to say, really
(07:19):
defies imagination. Number one, look at the target of who
he shot. He shot Charlie Kirk. The natural, uh, the
the natural understanding is it's someone who deeply disagreed with
what Charlie was saying and was shooting him to silence
him because he didn't want people to hear the words
he was saying.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
That his family had told law enforcement that that Tyler
had become enmeshed and obsessed with hard left ideology, that
at a recent family dinner he made reference to the
fact that Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah and and
discussed just just how much he hated Charlie Kirk. All
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of that evidence is coming out. I want you to
listen to the Governor of Utah just describing the facts
as they're rolling out that this is the Governor of Utah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Spencer Cox area with trees.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
On the edge of the UVU campus, investigators discovered a
bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel. The
rifle was determined to be a Mouser Model ninety eight
thirty six thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle
had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted
inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.
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Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices bulges capital, wo,
what's this question mark. Inscriptions on the three unfired casings
read hay fascist, exclamation point, catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol,
right arrow and symbol, and three down aaro symbols. A
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second unfired casing read oh belichow belichow, belichow chow chow.
And a third unfired casing red. If you read this
you are gay LMAO. We are indebted to law enforcement
across the state who has worked seamlessly together local law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You go back to the last one you noticed that
you said it was admitted by the New York Times.
That tells you everything about them trying to push a
narrative here I also think it goes back to just
the lies that were being told, as you mentioned earlier,
that this was somehow a conservative that did this. Clearly
it was not another way it was described. And I'll
read the cover of the New York Post. Their headline
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from Gosh an hour ago said, quote, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin,
Tyler Robinson's deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology. The Utah governor
continues to explain.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Well, it's misinformation and disinformation because activists and leftists and
democrats in the corporate media don't want to acknowledge the
obvious ideological agenda here written on the on the shellcasings.
You have number one that this was about believing Charlie
Kirk is a fascist. That's, of course the language that
the Democrats have been saying over and over and over
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again about Charlie Kirk, about Donald Trump, about Republicans generally.
And you have two references to fascist. One one the
direct word hey fascist catch But then then secondly you
have the Belichow song, which which again both of those
are are directly saying Charlie in the view of the shooter,
as a fascist. And then you have two that are
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focused on LGBT issues, one being gay and the second
being transgender, and again, an awful lot of the media
doesn't want to acknowledge that that ideological component. On top
of that, we have the fact that has come out
just recently, which is apparently Tyler's roommate is a transgender
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male who is transitioning to become a female. And there
are conflicting reports whether Tyler and this transgender individual were
engaged in a romantic and sexual relationship or not. But
you had someone who was at a minimum of roommate
with someone who's transgender and may in fact have been
(11:28):
a sexual lover of someone who's transgender, and yet the
media is not acknowledging. We are seeing a clear pattern,
a clear pattern. And I got to say, you look
at there's some videos online of this this fellow Tyler
when he was younger, just a couple of years ago,
and he seems like a perfectly normal, happy kid. He
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doesn't seem like someone suffering.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
From menal class at college that looked I mean, if
you look at the timeline, it looks like you went
to college center and that's when he got radicalized.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well maybe college. He also apparently spent a lot of
time on Reddit and Discord and four Chan and and
and online. It's possible that that's that's where he was radicalized.
It's it's not clear what the source of it is. Uh,
but we do know that that he was on Discord
talking back and forth about the shooting. He was telling
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other other people on Discord that that that he had
left a rifle wrapped in a towel. He mentioned shellcasings
that were engraved. I mean that that that was part
of what confirmed this is the right guy. And and
when law enforcement went and talked with his roommate, Uh,
they were able to see these messages where he described
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the rifle which was in fact wrapped in a towel,
and and and so that uh, the ideological hatred, intolerance,
and I got to say, the speed with which this
young man was radicalized and filled with homicidal hate is terrifying.
Now there is the tragic personal aspect of it that
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apparently it was his own family. It was his father
who recognized him from the picture that the FBI had
released and confronted him, and according to the reports, Tyler
essentially confessed and his father urged him to turn himself
in and Tyler said he wanted to kill himself instead,
but his father brought in a youth pastor who knew Tyler,
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and together they turned him in. Look, I got to say, Ben,
you and I are both both fathers. I'm glad the
father did that, But I cannot imagine a more hellish
experience for a father than realizing the monstrosity that your
son has just carried out.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. And it was
one of the things that you know, his father apparently
worked in law enforcement, and so I'm sure he thought
to himself like, hey, hey, it's the right thing to do.
Be he's probably saving his son life at that point,
are a very good chance of it in a sense,
because he knew that if he was found by law
enforcement and fought back, it was going to be game over.
And the entire and the entire government, local, state, and
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federal was trying to find him, and they were going
to find him. So that says thing I think about
father's love. I want to go back to just you
look at what the media has admitted from this. You
have a guy that you know there's a good chance
hit a trans boyfriend he called Charlie a fascist. That
is something the left has been using that word fascist, fascist, fascist.
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You've been called it. I don't even know how many
times online. I've been called it. I don't even know
how many times online every time I do TV. Now,
that's the number one thing I see in there. I'm
sure you and I have been called it today, Yeah, today, bingo,
And it's like the number one word now of the left.
We also know that he's been confirmed to be a
leftist by friends and family. He's been confirmed a leftist
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by top officials on record, including the governor. He killed
one of the most iconic conservatives in the country, and
yet leftists are still claiming right now online that he
was right wing. I mean, these people have no shame,
they have no integrity.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They's this information.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yes, it's what the media does so well.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It is fundamentally dishonest. And I will say the demonization
from the left. We've also seen the people on the
left celebrating, openly celebrating this murder, and it has been
really striking. It's been disturbing how many school teachers have
been celebrating, and how many employees of the US government
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have been celebrating, and on the left, not everybody. There
are some who have shown restraint, but this celebration on
the left is far too commonplace and it's deeply disturbing.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You talk about that aspect of it, and I go back,
there has been something that's changed this time around, and
I am thankful for this. There does seem to be
accountability for this hate for people in different jobs. We've
seen I think now well over a couple dozen administrators
teachers at public universities and private universities that have been
fired lost their jobs for celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
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We saw it, for example, another story that went viral
of an office depot individual he refused to print Charlie
Kirk tribute flyers and call them propaganda. Thank goodness they've
been fired. I do think now what we are seeing
is the people that used to get away with this stuff.
There was no accountability. Now there does seem to be
a level of accountability. As a reaction to the.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Hurriel Musks buying, Twitter created a forum where suddenly when
people behave like this, they're exposed and there is accountability.
And Ben listen, I'll say there's a component of this
a clear component of this that is political. That is
the ultimate form of censorship, which is silencing those who
disagree with you through murder. And in fact, something I
(16:57):
retweeted yesterday was someone online said, they don't kill you
because you're a Nazi. They call you a Nazi, so
they can kill you. And and and that's the right
relationship between this rhetoric is this rhetoric is about giving
a permission structure that if Trump is Hitler. Look how
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many people have had the old you know philosophy question,
if you could encounter baby Hitler as a toddler, would
you kill baby Hitler? And a very substantial percentage of
Americans say, yes, I would kill baby Hitler if I
had the chance. Well, if Trump is Hitler, Uh, it's
not much of a leap to see where that comparison
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is going. And look, this is a political battle, but
this is also a spiritual battle. Because one of the
things about Charlie Kirk is he was one of the
most important evangelists in the country and in the world,
and in fact he was also one of the most
important Christian apologists in the world. That was a very
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it was an integral aspect of what he did, and
I want to play a couple of things on this
number one.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Play Charlie's pastor. Charlie's pastor talking about the work Charlie
did preparing to be an evangelist at a Christian apologist
and I found this. I don't know this pastor, but
I found this really profound what he described.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Give a listen.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Charlie Kirk is a once in a generation mind and
soul and anointing and heart. Charlie Kirk was a rare
combination of evangelist, apologist and political strategist. One of our
most recent communications, he said, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
I have a ton of questions.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
I didn't ask for it, but I have become a
high profile defender of the faith.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I need to be the best I can.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Said, I'd be honored to serve for free, invisibly as needed.
You have an anointing to Steward and its massive. Proud
of you and pray for you and your family daily.
Charlie Kirk and I had been communicating. I was on
vacation with my wife and he was asking one wee
could get together for a half day. He had a
bunch of questions about the Christian faith that he wanted
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to wipe bard out, and I told him it would
be a great honor of my life to.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Try and serve him.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
He told me that he felt like God gave him
this platform an opportunity so that he could become an
evangelist and apologist to the next generation. He wanted to
make it his primary message and life work to proclaim
the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which
is evangelism, and then defend it by answering criticisms, questions,
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and objections, which is called apologetics, which means to defend
the faith. Charlie Kirk stepped into a level of spiritual
warfare that I believe moved him to the top of
the enemy's hit list and to some degree contributed to
his assassination, his murder, and has martyrdom today. And I
do not use those words lightly. Those are entirely accurate
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and fit the description of the demonic activity that we
saw today. Charlie wanted people to meet Jesus Christ, and
he wanted to do the best job that he could
presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And as a result,
Charlie was going to campuses and he was proclaiming Jesus,
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and he was answering questions, and he was a generational
master in doing what the Bible says, and that is
to give an answer to everyone for the hope that
you have with gentleness and respect. He was a joyful,
happy warrior. He had a great smile. He was kind
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to his enemies. He tried to have a good time
even when they were trying to give him a bad time.
His impact on this generation cannot be overstated. I believe
it is absolutely non hyperbolic to say that he is
the greatest conservative voice of this generation alive on planet Earth.
(21:19):
And one of the last times I saw him was backstage.
It was actually some months ago, I believe, when JD.
Vance was in town and Charlie invited me to come
meet JD in the greenroom and hang out with them.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
And I walked in with a big smile.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
He gave me a big hug, and he said, he said,
I need you to be praying for me, Pastor. I said, absolutely,
I pray for Charlie every day my wife and I
have and for his beautiful family he said, he said,
I think they're going to try and kill me, and
he said, if we lose, I think they're going to
incarcerate me.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Here's a young man with a family.
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Who willing to sacrifice his own life and well being
and the joy he had with a wife whom he
very much loved and children that he completely adored for
the sake of selfless service.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
And sacrifice out of love for others.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Charlie is was and will forever be one of the
most significant men who walked on planet Earth in his generation.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You listened to his pastor, and there's one aspect TC
that I think is so important for people to understand
about Charlie.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Charlie studied really, really, really hard.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Because he felt like it was a obligation of duty
to what he believed in, to God, to faith, to
understand the Bible, and stayed the way that he did that.
And it wasn't just on this issue. There was a
story that came out hours before this speech that he
was giving this grand debate at this college chemist in Utah.
He was on the phone for hours in a prep
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call to defend Israel as well with two people that
I know, one I know very well, and he said
he didn't feel like he was ready for some of
the new things and new attacks on Israel, and he
wanted to whiteboard it out the same way that he
was just mentioned there with that pastor, he put in
the work. He didn't just show up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, the preparation was incredibly important. I mentioned that he
was an apologist, and the pastor there explained apologetics is
the practice of defending the Christian faith. And it doesn't
mean apology in the sense of saying I'm sorry, but
it means it means confronting the arguments from the skeptics,
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from those who doubt Christianity, and confronting them and addressing
them directly. And there have been great apologists in the past,
people like C. S. Lewis, maybe the greatest who ever lived.
And I think Charlie very much followed in the tradition
of C. S.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Lewis.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I want you to listen to another exchange, and this
is between Charlie and Tucker Carlson talking again about the
spiritual aspect of the battle that's been playing out.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
To give a listen, I wonder if by continuing to
lie they aren't about everything, they're driving all of us
a little crazy.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Well, this is why your faith is the most important thing,
because for those of us that are Christians, it doesn't
drive you crazy. You actually see what's going on, which
is that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
but against principalities and darkness and spirits. That there is
a spiritual war here. And you're right, Tucker. I find
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people in this space that are not anchored to faith,
anchored to Jesus. They do lose their mind because there
is no rational or reasonable explanation for what the country
is doing to itself or what we are experiencing. But
if you then see, and you know that there is
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a God and we are not him, that there is
an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that
are constantly struggling struggling around us, and that there is
a supernatural dimension as you mentioned, all of a sudden,
that does that make sense. It does not make any
rational sense to shut down your schools so you could
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sacrifice the kids so the elderly can live. That makes
no sense whatsoever. It makes no sense whatsoever to keep
your marijuana dispensaries open and your alcohol shops open, but
the church non essential. Only a demonic enterprise would do
such a thing. Only a demonic enterprise would say that
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Easter and Pentecost are non essential, but race, rioting and
burning down a Wendy's is essential activity.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And Tucker, you talk about this a lot.
Speaker 10 (25:54):
For those of us that know the truth, we know
that our God is a god of order and distinction.
What is the first thing that God did in the
Hebrew scripture, as it says well and also our scripture
in the original Genesis bet are sheets, which is in
the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and
then he separated and he made sense.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
He made order out of chaos.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Our God is a god of order, and order only
comes with distinctions, and distinctions are necessary. Think about all
the distinctions that God set up in the first six
books of Genesis that are currently under attack. The distinction
between male and female, the distinction between man and nature,
the distinction between the holy and the profane, the distinction
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between good and evil, the distinction between infant and adults.
These distinctions have always been what Western civilization were built upon.
But it is Satan's goal to blur and eventually destroy
those distinctions because those distinctions of which we get order.
And if you do not have that order, then you
have the closest thing to satanic chaos here spot on.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And this is where I do believe we are turning
the tide in this country, where people are listening to
conservatives like they never had before in my lifetime certainly.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Well, and this is a spiritual battle. And part of
why I think Charlie was silenced is because he was
such an unapologetic voice for christ. You know Nicole Shanahan
who was ran as the vice presidential nominee with RFK Junior,
she posted something this week where she said, you have
to actually be willfully full of demonic hate to cheer
(27:35):
for that, And I think that's exactly right, that it
is demonic hate. The people who are filled with jubilation
that Charlie Kirk was murdered. That is a demonic level
of hatred and it's it is frightening just how normalized
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that has become on the left. And another exact ample
of that is a back and forth exchange that I
had with Stephen King, the Horror author and it started
it started with Stephen King tweeting about Charlie Kirk. He
(28:18):
advocated stoning Gaze to death, just saying so that's what
he put out there, and he had millions and millions
of views. I have to admit that really pissed me off,
and so I responded to him, and I tweeted back
at him. I said, you are a horrible, evil, twisted liar.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
No, he did not.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Your party, which you shamelessly shilled for, sent one hundred
billion dollars to the Ayahtola, who does routinely murder homosexuals.
Why are you so dishonest and filled with hate?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Now?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
My response there got over thirteen million views, and Stephen
King suddenly found his rabid, hateful partisanship under real scrutiny
and criticism. And within hours, Stephen King deleted the tweet
and apologized, and he apologized over and over and over again.
So in response to me, Stephen King said, the horrible, evil,
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twisted liar apologizes. This is what I get for reading
something on Twitter without fact checking. Won't happen again now.
Now I responded to that, and I said, I appreciate that.
Stephen King deleted the false tweet about Charlie Kirk and apologized.
All of us on both sides of the aisle should
treat each other with respect and decency, even if we
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disagree on politics. Charlie did that every day and I
admired him for it. Now I want to address something here, Ben,
because back and forth in the debates on this, there
is a question, particularly among conservative how should we respond
to this left wing hate, And it is broken into
two categories. There are some that are saying we've got
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to respond and fight them full force and go after them,
and there are others who are saying, well, both sides
are too overheated, and it is pejoratively characterized as both
sides ism in the debate. And I think the truth
is somewhere in the middle, and let me explain what
it means. And maybe this will tick off both sides
(30:29):
when I say this, but look, there are clearly standards
that should apply to everyone. Number One, political violence is
always always wrong, whether you agree with a person or
disagree with their politics. Someone being murdered for what they
are saying, for their speech, for their political views is wrong.
(30:51):
That should be accepted on both in every side. Number Two,
as a matter of decency, all of us should endeavor
to treat each other with respect and human dignity. That's
a standard I try to hold myself to and it's
a standard everyone should. So when you say that when
Stephen King, I didn't like his vile comment, but when
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he deleted it and apologized, I wanted to say, Okay,
I appreciate that you deleted it and apologized. I wanted
to give some modicum of grace. You know, in part
I think Charlie would have accepted that apology. He wouldn't
necessarily have believed that Stephen King has suddenly reformed and
has turned from his wicked ways. Yeah, but allowing someone
to say, Okay, I'm sorry I was wrong, that has value.
(31:38):
But here's where the both sides ism is flat out wrong.
There's some and you see this like your old employer,
CNN loves to do this. Well, there's bad rhetoric on
both sides, and there's violence on both sides. This is
just a problem in the world. Well, no, this is
a problem that is particularly acute and prevalent on the
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life left.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I go back to this, how many I mean we
watched one of our own be assassinated. Did any cities
get burned down?
Speaker 7 (32:08):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Not there any police officers that were attacked. No, was
there any assaults on people because of it? That were angry. No,
and yet they're mad. I love this headline from the
Daily Beasts, which, if you don't know what that is,
a hardcore liberal propaganda machine that has an incredible amount
of influence in the left. Their headline yesterday ten oh
(32:29):
five am. Keyboard Warriors, grieving this week's assassination of self
annointed champion of quote unquote free speech, Charlie Kirk, have
launched an online campaign to get anyone who criticizes him
fired from their jobs. Their subheadline is free speech crazed
(32:49):
Maga Karen's go full cancel culture on Kirk critics. No,
let's be clear about the people we are exposing.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's people. They weren't criticizing Tari Kirk.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk in our
major positions of power at universities and at other jobs,
or things like we mentioned earlier where they refuse to
put up to print out a piece of paper for goodness.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Six.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, but ben, let me make two distinctions that are
important because it's easy to get these confused. Number One,
let's talk free speech. Yes, in the United States, the
First Amendment gives you the right to speech to speak
and not to be criminally prosecuted for it. So you
can say the most horrible hateful things. You do have
a First Amendment right to say unbelievably horrible hateful things.
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You can say that you are celebrating the murder of
Charlie Kirk or anyone else. In the First Amendment will
protect your ability to do so, which means the government
cannot come prosecute you and put you in jail for
saying that. The First Amendment does not mean that you
are immune from the consequences of your speech. And if
you say things that are horrible and hateful, it is
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not uncommon for someone to be terminated. So, for example,
at a university, if a student goes and decides to
dress in a white robe as a clansman and burn
across and say that we should murder African American students,
I guarantee you that student will be expelled from school. Now,
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you can't prosecute him as a First Amendment right to
do that. So that is not a criminal offense to
do that, correct, but the university should absolutely expel him
because of just how noxious those views are. The same
is true here when you have teachers that are celebrating
cold blooded murder. There are consequences for that, but that's
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a distinction. I'll point out also the president of the
Oxford Union who debated Charlie Kirk and is this vicious leftist.
He put out a tweet celebrating, let's effing go he said,
when Charlie Kirk was shot. This is a guy who
literally had one on one debated against Charlie Kirk. And
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he is the incoming president of the Oxford Union, which
pretentiously describes itself as the world's greatest debating society. Look,
in my view, this individual ought to be expelled from
Oxford for the same reason you would expel him if
he were a klansman burning across and saying, let's murder
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black students. Now, the United Kingdom does not have the
same First Amendment that applies to it the way the
United States does.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
So.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Actually, in England, if he said that, he might well
be criminally prosecuted. I don't agree with criminally prosecuting speech.
But the First Amendment does not give you a get
out of jail free pass. Look, I promise you, any
one of you in your jobs, if you go in
and tell your boss go screw yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, you're gonna get fired.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
You will get fired. You have a first mount right
to say so. But he also has a right to
terminate you. But let me say secondly on this both sides,
is the media really wants to say, gosh, political violence,
it's a problem that just occurs everywhere. No right now
is it is heavily concentrated on the left, and the
left has normalized political violence. We saw two separate assassination
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attempts of Donald Trump. We saw this tragically successful assassination
of Charlie kirk Over, and we saw for a year
Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. And I want to
read you some polling results that were done last year,
and people were asked, would it be justified to murder
(36:40):
Elon Musk? And would it be justified to murder Donald Trump?
And those who were self described left of center, fifty
point two percent said it would be justified to murder
Elon Musk, and fifty six percent said it would be
justified to m Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That is.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
And and by the way, the right of center numbers
were fourteen point three percent and twenty point three percent,
So I wish all those numbers were zero. But this
is a problem on the left. This is a problem
when you define your opponent as Hitler, Nazi, evil fascist.
That is a permission structure to then say violence is
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an appropriate response, and we need to see Democrats having
the courage to say.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Enough is enough. Look.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Bill Maher did a great job where he's in his monologue.
He said, let's be clear, Donald Trump is not Hitler.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Stop saying that.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Stop saying it exactly well, and I think now they're
realizing that using the words fascist and Hitler and these
types of things has dissensitized people and advocated and allowed
for this type of violence to become reality. Where the
big question you were asking is what's next. I do
want to say one thing that I think I've found
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incredibly comforting is seeing how many young people are at
colleges this week in over college football. We're putting up
signs saying that they are Charlie Kirk. The number of
people that are following him now on Instagram exploited by
I don't think I'm wrong. I think it's millions of
people now who.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Are then I think it is likely that more people
have listened to Charlie Kirk speak in the last week
than did in the entirety of his life.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, and that's the silver lining.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
His Christian testimony has become so powerful. I will say
his wife, Erica, the speech she gave this week reduced
me to tears. It was beautiful. God's anointing was upon
her as she did that. And a lot of people
who had never clicked on and watched Charlie Kirk say
anything this week did so and said, Hey, who is
this guy that touched so many people. I think a
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lot of people chose to open their Bible and start
reading their Bible. A lot of people chose to go
to church. That is a great thing. That is something
I hope and believe we're going to see a lot
more of. And let me say in subsequent podcast, we're
going to talk about what's coming next. And here's one
of the most important things that I am urging the President,
the Department of Justice, the FBI to do, which is
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follow the money. Follow the money of everyone that is
pushing this leftist hatred, that is pushing this violence. There
is real money that is going into these riots on campus,
that is going into funding ANTIFA, that is going into
funding Black Lives Matter, and we need to. This is
not just one isolated lunatic in Utah. We need to
follow the money behind the radicalization that is leading to
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people being so twisted and engaging in these horrific acts
of violence.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Aim into that. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
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