December 10, 2025 • 30 mins
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Immigration Policy Debate
- Features remarks from Stephen Miller, former White House advisor, discussing immigration challenges, historical context, and policy proposals.
- Highlights concerns about illegal immigration, refugee fraud (particularly involving Somali immigrants), and cultural assimilation.
- References historical immigration acts (1924 and 1965) and argues for stricter quotas or a moratorium on immigration from “third world countries.”
- Fraud Allegations: Details alleged large-scale refugee fraud under the P-3 program, with DNA tests revealing false family claims.
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Donald Trump’s Economic Campaign Messaging
- Covers Trump’s rally in Pennsylvania, emphasizing economic achievements and future plans.
- Promotes policies like tax cuts, “Trump Accounts” (child savings program), and promises of no taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security.
- Frames Trump as reversing Biden-era “disasters” and restoring prosperity, security, and national pride.
- Trump’s Achievements: Inflation is down, wages are up, and the stock market is booming.
- Future Plans:
- Trump Accounts: Savings accounts for every newborn American.
- Tax Cuts: Eliminating taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The White House making it very clear that we have
a real problem with immigration from third world countries, and
is it adding to the United States of America or
is it actually putting you and many other lives at risk.
That is part of the question that we must be asking,
and for far too long. If you ask that question,
(00:21):
people immediately say things like your racist or your bigot,
or that's not what America is about. But the data
is showing that we do have a crisis in this country,
and so how do we deal with it? Stephen Miller
talking about this from the White House on Fox News
Channel and clearly telegraphing what may be coming from the
White House. Listen carefully the words he chooses.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So one last question, Stephen, I think you and I
could have and should have this conversation out of much
longer skill. This is something that is incredibly important and
worthy of a half hour together. But such as the
nature of television as it is right now, I'm working
on that, but this will be quickly my last question
for you.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What can we do? Stephen?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You know this was something America addressed in the nineteen twenties.
They had these debates, they had these conversations openly, and
they chose in the nineteen twenties to say we are
going to put strict quotas on people coming from different
parts of the world. Sixty five did away with what
we did.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
In the twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So do we need something like the nineteen twenty four Act.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Clearly we need to have in this country exactly what
President Trump called for, which is that we need a
moratorium on immigration from third world countries until we can
heal ourselves as the nation, solve our education issues, solve
our healthcare issues, our public safety issues, our assimilation issues,
our cultural issues. So the nineteen twenty four Act is
(01:41):
such a good example because so we had large immigration
from Europe from eighteen eighty to nineteen twenty. So, in
other words, we went from a country that had immigration
from part of Europe to immigration from many other parts
of Europe, but even other European countries post enormous stresses
on the US system, both economically.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And in terms of security. There's a lot of crime,
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Th rest of public safety and order, and those who
are addressed with very strict immigration quotas where they don't
teach you in school, is that from nineteen twenty to
nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
There was negative migration.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
There was a half century of negative migration. The foreign
born population declined by forty percent for half a century.
During that same time period, will the US population doubled
from natural childbirth.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That was the cauldron in.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Which a unified, shared national identity was formed. They went
through a depression together, they went through world wars together,
They landed on the moon together. This great period of
American history happened at a time when there was negative migration.
They don't teach that to our kids in the school
And frankly, I would submit very few politicians serving in
Congress probably know that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Will very few politicians in Washington serving know that as well.
Going back to talking about the nineteen twenty four Act
is a good example. As he described it, he wasn't
done there, by the way. Steven Miller also talking about
Somalia specifically. Now again, if you talk about Somalia and saying, hey,
(03:09):
maybe we need to cut back, or we need to
look at what we've done here in this country and
how many people are letting in from Somalia, you will
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Speaker 3 (04:59):
Right now, I want you to hear.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
What Stephen had to say about what we're finding out
about what may be one of the biggest frauds we've
ever seen with a number of people coming into this
country from Somalia.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Listen, I can have as long as I'm willing to
work for.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's the American My next guest has been a driving
force behind President Trump's immigration policies. He is White House
Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, Steven Miller.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Stephen, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You know the interesting thing about hearing from a guy
like Jeene Simmons right there and what he had to say.
When you do talk to someone who is either the
child or the direct legal immigrants to the United States,
they often share that type of love of America, wherein
when we look at in a legal population, you don't
often hear that same type of patriotism.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Will.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think there's been an incredible lack of honest, truthful
candidate conversation in American media for a very long time
about immigration policy. And you're right, of course that immigrants
who come here legally engage an active spite against America
from the moment they crossed that border and then continue
to break our laws and flat our system and defy
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our rules every single day they're here, and continue to
plunder and pillage off the system, and of course their children,
as a result of so called birthright citizenship, which is
the greatest scam in history, get unlimited welfare for life
that goes to the benefit of the legal alien parents.
But I want to address your monologue specifically about the
nineteen sixty five Immigration Act and what that means in
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American history. So, during the Civil rights era, and this
is the simple way I can put it, there was
a thought in effect. You can go back and you
can read the transcripts of the debate at the time
of applying civil rights to immigration policy for the globe
and to create a civil right for people from every
part of the world to come to America.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
In ever growing numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And so a system that for years, as you mentioned,
had been tightly restricted suddenly established this global ability of
people in every part of the world to come to America,
to bring their families to America, and then eventually empty
out their entire towns and their entire villages to the
United States of America. And so what you saw between
nineteen sixty five and today was the single largest experiment
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on a society, on a civilization that had ever been
conducted in human history, not just the seventy six million
immigrants that were brought in, largely from.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The Third World, but their descendants too.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So you see with a lot of these immigrant groups,
not only is the first generation unsuccessful against Somalia as
a clear example here, not only is the first generation unsuccessful,
but you see persistent issues in every subsequent generation. So
you see consistent high rates of welfare use, consistent high
rates of criminal activity, consistent failures to assimilate. But they
(07:49):
shouldn't be a surprise, will It's just common sense. If
Somaldians cannot make Somalia successful, Why would we think that
the track will be any different in the United States?
Go third world country by third world country. No one's saying, Look,
there are people all over the world that are great people,
But you look at the society. If Libya keeps failing,
(08:11):
if the Central African Republic keeps failing, if Samalia keeps failing. Right,
if these societies all over the world continue to fail,
you have to ask yourself, if you bring those societies
into our country and then give them unlimited, free welfare,
what do we think is going to happen. You're going
to replicate the conditions that they left over and over
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and over again. And we mask the impact of immigration.
Every public policy issue we discuss. We talk about test
scores will if you subtract immigration out of test scores,
all of a sudden, our test scores skyrocket. If you
subtract immigration out of healthcare, all of a sudden, we
don't have near the size of the healthcare challenges our
(08:54):
country faces. If you subtract immigration out of public safety,
all of a sudden, we don't have violent crime in
so many of our cities. Issue after issue, we talked
about these things that just they just happened to us.
The schools just suddenly fail by the crime just suddenly explodes,
the deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of
social policy choices that we made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You notice what he said, and if you listen to
how he said it, he said, Look, we need legal
immigration because illegal immigration is completely underminding. People are doing
it the right way. That is important. And number two,
you have to look at the issue safety. That is
a conversation that everyone that's in this country deserves to
have that conversation. And why would we do something there's
(09:37):
hurting Americans that are in this country, including immigrants who
have come to this country on a multitude of issues
as basic as.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Housing and jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
These are the conversations that need to be had because
all of this is coming as a former ICE official
has now blown the whistle saying Somali immigration to the
un US marked the greatest refugee fraud crisis in modern times.
(10:08):
A whistleblower coming forward explaining just how bad things are
with Somali migration to the United States of America should
be a front page news story.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It is not.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right now, I'm going to tell you this story and
I hope you'll share it everywhere on social media. Share
the podcast wherever you can on social media so people
can hear this.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Now. This is what is being told.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It is a plague of mass fraud the federal government
and a retired Immigration Customs Enforcement official is revealing now
the secrets that apparently the government does not want you
to know about the p three or.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
P'd as three refugee pipeline.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It was created by the Refugee Act of nineteen eighty
What did it do. It allowed refugees to apply or
their spouses, their unmarried children, and parents to also receive
refugee status in the US. From two thousand and three
through two thousand and eight. Africans including Somalis, represent more
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than ninety five percent of refugees who arrive in the
US through the PDS three program. I'm going to say
that again, Africans including Somalis, represent more than ninety five
percent of the refugees who arrived in the US through
this government PEDS three program.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
That is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
If you look at the rest of the world, you
should be angry if you're from anywhere else in the world.
In March of eight, after some thirty six thousand. They say,
mostly Africans have entered the US as a PEDS three refugees,
the majority of whom resettled in one place, Minnesota. So
now this explains a Somali fraud that is happening in Minnesota.
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The people coming in this country from Somalia, mostly Africans,
are going directly to Minnesota where they have set up
a nation state in essence that is now fleecing American
tax hours of billions of dollars in fraud which has
all been uncovered now. The program was halted by then
President George W. Bush after the State Department unveiled back
(12:19):
in eight mass fraud. The State Department published a report
in November of eight detailing how the agency had started
requiring the PDSK three refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia
to take DNA tests to prove they were bred relatives
of the US bound refugees sponsoring them for such status.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So guess what happened? And again, how the hell do
we not know this?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The DNA tests revealed the State Department was only able
to confirm all claimed biological relationships in fewer than twenty
percent of the cases, aka the family units. So more
than eighty percent of the people coming into the US
from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia were lying about.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Even being the family members.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Their ticket to America was being sold on the black
market by the families many times that were in this
country already taking advantage of US through government aid.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We initially tested a sample of some five hundred refugees,
primarily Somali and Ethiopian, in Nairobi, Kenya, under consideration for
US resettlement through the PEDS three program. After these samples
suggested high rates of fraud, we expanded testing to Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Guinea, Gembia,
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and others. Most of the approximately three thousand refugees tested
are from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia. Note that the initial
DNA testing was limited to members of the families only
applying for the pedstree program, and not between the applicants
and the anchor relative.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
The retired ICE official Fillinger published a thirty page brief
in July of eighteen regarding what he called the greatest
refugee fraud crisis in modern times and possibly the biggest
blunder in immigration history. Anywhere thousands and thousands and thousands
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and thousands of fraudulent P three refugees, most using false identities,
streamed into the United States of America. So these are
people just fake names. We don't even know who the
hell they are. We don't know what they're wanted for
in these countries that they committed Hanes crimes, and we're
allowing them in with fake IDs. Not only did we
allow them in, but they streamed in the US for
(14:47):
years before the suspension of the program. Quote, when twenty
five percent of the US workforce was unemployed in the
nineteen thirties, it was called the Great Depression. With nearly
one hundred percent fraud levels in the failed P three program,
it is accurate to call it the greatest refugee fraud
crisis in modern times. Now here's the part that will
(15:11):
even blow your mind. More than that, we knew the
program was corrupt as hell. We knew people were lying
about who they were. We knew they were coming to
America and at record rates they were taking government aid.
And then we find out that former President Barack Obama
reinstated the P three refugee pipeline in twenty twelve after
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making a number of reforms, including requiring DNA testing for
applicants to prove family ties to the refugees in the
United States of America.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Just let that sit in. You look at that, and
you look at.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
These numbers, and what we are now witnessing is two things. One,
the amount of corruption is just massive. Two, like you're
selling family members on the black market. Three we haven't
even fix the people that are in this country that
we could go back and easily deport and get rid
of who defrauded this country. Four we know that the
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amount of fraud is historic levels, costing US billions of dollars.
And five we know that the majority of people coming
in are going straight to wear Minnesota to literally set
up their own country. They're not assimilating into the United
States of America. They're saying, Hey, we're just going to
raise our numbers by thirty six thousand, right, and we'll
just like do that and it's going to be fine,
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and then we're just going to elect our own to Congress,
which is exactly what we've seen with Ela momr and others.
Just take a look at Rashid to Leave, for example,
and look at what she's done in this set of
mission where there's another large population of immigrants have come in.
She is protecting them. You want to know what she's doing.
She's not representing America in any capacity. I want to
(16:51):
make that clear. She literally introduced a resolution recognizing what
she described as the genocide of the Palaestinian people in Gossa,
not the attack on the Jews, not the worst attack
on the Jews since the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, she's out there standing up for the terrorist organizations
Hamas and Hesbelah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
This is just.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Another example of what was being said there by Stephen
Miller talking about if and again, this is something that
may be politically incorrect, Okay to say it the right.
People are going to lose their minds, But it's a
conversation we should have. Again, Steve Miller, if some Allians
can't make some ady successful, why we think that the
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track would be any different in the United States of America.
There are people that are going to go berserk at
that comment. I think it's a comment that should have
a grand debate around it. I think we should be
having a conversation after what we just witnessed with billions
of dollars of fraud that is happening before our very
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eyes in Minnesota about this conversation. I also want to
make sure that when people are coming in to the
United States of America, they want to be a part
of this country. They're not coming in just to take
advantage of this country. They want to assimilate into this country,
not set up their own country that they just in
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essence came from. That's another part of the equation, another
part of the conversation that I believe should be had.
And I'll say one last thing about this, if we
don't have the conversation that clearly needs to take place,
when Democrats get back into power, they are going to
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flood this country yet again. They are going to flood
this country as fast as they can with illegal immigrants
that are coming in because they want to fundamentally undermine
and change this nation. We know that they've told us
that's their plan. Believe them when they tell you.
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with Americans and explain what the successes are of the
Trump administration. In fact, for at least the next year,
you're going to see the President hitting the road and
going out there to tell each and every community what
is happening in their community because of the administration's policies. Now,
(20:28):
why is the President doing this simply put, he's doing
it because of the radical left and the liberal media
that's trying to say that somehow our economy is a
disaster right now. The President had a respond to that, saying,
very clearly, the Democrats broke the economy. I'm fixing it,
and that's exactly why I was elected. President Trump hitting
(20:50):
the road Tuesday night to tout the economic successes during
a rally in Pennsylvania. Why it's a battleground state that
could prove key to Republicans holding the House.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In the twenty sixteen mid term elections.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The President saying, quote, I have no higher priority than
making America affordable again and again. They cause high prices.
We're bringing them down, and that's our message. They gave
you high prices, they gave you the highest inflation in history,
and we're bringing those prices down rapidly. You're getting lower prices,
(21:25):
bigger paychecks. We're getting inflation down, we're crushing it, and
you're getting much higher wages. I mean, the only thing
that's really going up big it's called the stock market,
and you're four oh one k.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's going up as well.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
The event was held in Mount Pocono, a working class
town in northeastern Pennsylvania, a district that Trump won by
nine points in twenty twenty four. The rally aired live,
and of course the liberal media they didn't want you
to see it. So what else did the president have
to say? Well, here's one of the excerpts. He talked
(22:00):
about how we're going to repair and work together to
get rid of the last four years, the disaster of
Joe Biden and the radical left, and.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
From the shipyards of Philadelphia to the steel mills of Pittsburgh,
these are great places. Maybe some of you don't even
realize it. You know, you get used to it a
little bit too much sometimes, but these are great places.
From the union halls of Scranton to the kitchen tables
of millions of Pennsylvania families. We're bringing prosperity and pride
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surging back to this magnificent Commonwealth. We're bringing it surging back.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Here hot.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Our country's hot, and you're hot. Together, we're repairing four
years of disaster by the radical left, Democrats in Congress,
and by the worst president in the history of our country.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
He is, I mean, it's not a question about.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
That's just the worst president in the history of our country.
The damage he thank you very much, said, damage he's
done to our country is something we can never forget.
After just ten months, our border is secure, our spirit
is restored, Inflation is stopped, wages are up, prices are down,
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our nation is strong, America is respected again, and the
United States is backed.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
This as President Trump's GOP approval holding strong now at
eighty seven percent. Wine because the American people that voted
for him, and some who even didn't vote for the president,
believe that the President is actually working hard to make
sure that this country doesn't go the way that the
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Democrats had it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He also went on to say this about Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Biden and what he said about what they've done to
your economy and taking your jobs.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Good.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
A major factor that fueled inflation under Biden was the
invasion of twenty five million piece.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Think of this.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Twenty five million people came into our country totally unchecked
and unvetted, mostly across our southern border.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Ten months ago.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
We inherited the worst border in the history of the world,
and now we have the strongest border in the history
of our country. We've never had a border of this
and people don't talk about you notice they don't talk
about it when I ran. When I was running, it
was the biggest thing. And before I was read, that's
all they talked about.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
The border, of the border, of the border. And now
I fixed it. Nobody wants to talk about it, even
my people.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
They say, sir, don't put it in your speech.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Why because nobody cares about the border. You fix it?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
No, But you know how bad that is, because I
forget what you did.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
We had a border that was so bad.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Everybody, criminals, everybody pouring into our country.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Anybody, you know, the Congo. I just settled that war.
The Congo.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Their entire prison population was set into our country. Venezuela,
their entire prison population was dumped.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Into our country.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
And now we have the tightest border we've ever had.
We have one of the strongest borders anywhere in the world.
I would say, there's one country that has probably a
stronger border. You know that is you know that is
North Korea. North Korea, I think has a stronger border.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
But other than North.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Korea has seven walls of wire and each of them
has a million vaults of electricity going through, So if
you get over one, you're dead for the next one.
If you get over one.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You're in very bad shape.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
If you get over too, you've set a record.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
So I don't know, Scott.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I think we give North Korea the safest border, don't
you agree?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
You know? But ours is pretty safe.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I want to thank Pete Hexseth and the military
for helping us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
The President wasn't done there, also talking about how important
it is that we are actually at a point now
where we're putting Americans first, and that means that jobs
and wages will be going up.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Why because of reverse migration.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
For the first time in fifty years, we now have
reverse migration, which means more jobs, better wages, and higher
income for American citizens, not for illegal aliens. And you
know what, we all have a heart. We want to
take care of people. But these people are getting killed
on the walk up. They're dying. They're dying.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
They have to go through jungles. We don't realize this.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
They are going through areas that are not it's not possible.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
To get through some of the areas.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
They're going through jungles down in the Central America, South America.
Some of these areas with snakes, with crocodiles, and alligator.
They're getting just eaten and they're getting beat up by some.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Of the bad people. Women are being raped.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Remember when I started, I said, we're going to stop.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
The raping women.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
And those caravans a name conceived of by me because
it's a caravan thousands of people, ten fifteen, twenty thousand
people coming up. The women in those caravans are being
raped in unprecedented numbers by other people in the caravans,
by them not coming, they're not even trying to come
now because they know they can't get through.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
We're doing a tremendous service.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Because they're not being killed, and they're not being raped,
and they're not just staying back in their country where
they've been.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
President Trump making it clear as he makes his tour
around the country he's going to remind people locally what
is happening and what he is doing to make sure
that you are actually taken care of. Which brings him
to one final pointy one to make, and that was
about what he's doing for our kids and their future.
(28:16):
Another key part of that is the Trump Accounts, and
here's what the President said about that initiative.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Another key part of our tax cuts is known as
Trump accounts. Under this new program, the federal government who
will be creating an investment savings account for every single
newborn American child with one thousand dollars to be invested
and grow over the course of their life right at
the beginning of birth. Friends, family, employers, and loved ones
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will be able to add thousands of dollars a year.
And it's like a trust fund for every American child.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
A trust fund for every American child. The question every
American should be asking is when was the last time
Democrats ever did anything like this for them?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And if you think that's all that's coming, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
If you're a hard working American, guess what's happening in
twenty twenty six. Part of the law as they've already passed,
will be enacted, and one of them is going to
see a lot of more money in many americans pockets,
specifically those that work with tips and also those that
work with overtime.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
We're also putting thousands of dollars in the pockets of
hardworking Pennsylvanians with the largest tax cuts in American history.
That's no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no
tax on Social Security for our great seniors, our seniors,
no tax.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
It's truly incredible.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So if you miss the president on the campaign trail
and you said, man, I wish I could have gone
to a Trump rally, get ready because Donald Trump's hitting
the road and there's a very good chance he's going
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I'll see you back here tomorrow.
The White House making it very clear that we have
a real problem with immigration from third world countries, and
is it adding to the United States of America or
is it actually putting you and many other lives at risk.
That is part of the question that we must be asking,
and for far too long. If you ask that question,
(00:21):
people immediately say things like your racist or your bigot,
or that's not what America is about. But the data
is showing that we do have a crisis in this country,
and so how do we deal with it? Stephen Miller
talking about this from the White House on Fox News
Channel and clearly telegraphing what may be coming from the
White House. Listen carefully the words he chooses.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So one last question, Stephen, I think you and I
could have and should have this conversation out of much
longer skill. This is something that is incredibly important and
worthy of a half hour together. But such as the
nature of television as it is right now, I'm working
on that, but this will be quickly my last question
for you.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What can we do? Stephen?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You know this was something America addressed in the nineteen twenties.
They had these debates, they had these conversations openly, and
they chose in the nineteen twenties to say we are
going to put strict quotas on people coming from different
parts of the world. Sixty five did away with what
we did.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
In the twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So do we need something like the nineteen twenty four Act.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Clearly we need to have in this country exactly what
President Trump called for, which is that we need a
moratorium on immigration from third world countries until we can
heal ourselves as the nation, solve our education issues, solve
our healthcare issues, our public safety issues, our assimilation issues,
our cultural issues. So the nineteen twenty four Act is
(01:41):
such a good example because so we had large immigration
from Europe from eighteen eighty to nineteen twenty. So, in
other words, we went from a country that had immigration
from part of Europe to immigration from many other parts
of Europe, but even other European countries post enormous stresses
on the US system, both economically.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And in terms of security. There's a lot of crime,
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Th rest of public safety and order, and those who
are addressed with very strict immigration quotas where they don't
teach you in school, is that from nineteen twenty to
nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
There was negative migration.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
There was a half century of negative migration. The foreign
born population declined by forty percent for half a century.
During that same time period, will the US population doubled
from natural childbirth.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That was the cauldron in.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Which a unified, shared national identity was formed. They went
through a depression together, they went through world wars together,
They landed on the moon together. This great period of
American history happened at a time when there was negative migration.
They don't teach that to our kids in the school
And frankly, I would submit very few politicians serving in
Congress probably know that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Will very few politicians in Washington serving know that as well.
Going back to talking about the nineteen twenty four Act
is a good example. As he described it, he wasn't
done there, by the way. Steven Miller also talking about
Somalia specifically. Now again, if you talk about Somalia and saying, hey,
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look at what we've done here in this country and
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Right now, I want you to hear.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
What Stephen had to say about what we're finding out
about what may be one of the biggest frauds we've
ever seen with a number of people coming into this
country from Somalia.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Listen, I can have as long as I'm willing to
work for.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's the American My next guest has been a driving
force behind President Trump's immigration policies. He is White House
Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, Steven Miller.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Stephen, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You know the interesting thing about hearing from a guy
like Jeene Simmons right there and what he had to say.
When you do talk to someone who is either the
child or the direct legal immigrants to the United States,
they often share that type of love of America, wherein
when we look at in a legal population, you don't
often hear that same type of patriotism.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Will.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think there's been an incredible lack of honest, truthful
candidate conversation in American media for a very long time
about immigration policy. And you're right, of course that immigrants
who come here legally engage an active spite against America
from the moment they crossed that border and then continue
to break our laws and flat our system and defy
(06:07):
our rules every single day they're here, and continue to
plunder and pillage off the system, and of course their children,
as a result of so called birthright citizenship, which is
the greatest scam in history, get unlimited welfare for life
that goes to the benefit of the legal alien parents.
But I want to address your monologue specifically about the
nineteen sixty five Immigration Act and what that means in
(06:28):
American history. So, during the Civil rights era, and this
is the simple way I can put it, there was
a thought in effect. You can go back and you
can read the transcripts of the debate at the time
of applying civil rights to immigration policy for the globe
and to create a civil right for people from every
part of the world to come to America.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
In ever growing numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And so a system that for years, as you mentioned,
had been tightly restricted suddenly established this global ability of
people in every part of the world to come to America,
to bring their families to America, and then eventually empty
out their entire towns and their entire villages to the
United States of America. And so what you saw between
nineteen sixty five and today was the single largest experiment
(07:15):
on a society, on a civilization that had ever been
conducted in human history, not just the seventy six million
immigrants that were brought in, largely from.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The Third World, but their descendants too.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So you see with a lot of these immigrant groups,
not only is the first generation unsuccessful against Somalia as
a clear example here, not only is the first generation unsuccessful,
but you see persistent issues in every subsequent generation. So
you see consistent high rates of welfare use, consistent high
rates of criminal activity, consistent failures to assimilate. But they
(07:49):
shouldn't be a surprise, will It's just common sense. If
Somaldians cannot make Somalia successful, Why would we think that
the track will be any different in the United States?
Go third world country by third world country. No one's saying, Look,
there are people all over the world that are great people,
But you look at the society. If Libya keeps failing,
(08:11):
if the Central African Republic keeps failing, if Samalia keeps failing. Right,
if these societies all over the world continue to fail,
you have to ask yourself, if you bring those societies
into our country and then give them unlimited, free welfare,
what do we think is going to happen. You're going
to replicate the conditions that they left over and over
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and over again. And we mask the impact of immigration.
Every public policy issue we discuss. We talk about test
scores will if you subtract immigration out of test scores,
all of a sudden, our test scores skyrocket. If you
subtract immigration out of healthcare, all of a sudden, we
don't have near the size of the healthcare challenges our
(08:54):
country faces. If you subtract immigration out of public safety,
all of a sudden, we don't have violent crime in
so many of our cities. Issue after issue, we talked
about these things that just they just happened to us.
The schools just suddenly fail by the crime just suddenly explodes,
the deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of
social policy choices that we made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You notice what he said, and if you listen to
how he said it, he said, Look, we need legal
immigration because illegal immigration is completely underminding. People are doing
it the right way. That is important. And number two,
you have to look at the issue safety. That is
a conversation that everyone that's in this country deserves to
have that conversation. And why would we do something there's
(09:37):
hurting Americans that are in this country, including immigrants who
have come to this country on a multitude of issues
as basic as.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Housing and jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
These are the conversations that need to be had because
all of this is coming as a former ICE official
has now blown the whistle saying Somali immigration to the
un US marked the greatest refugee fraud crisis in modern times.
(10:08):
A whistleblower coming forward explaining just how bad things are
with Somali migration to the United States of America should
be a front page news story.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It is not.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right now, I'm going to tell you this story and
I hope you'll share it everywhere on social media. Share
the podcast wherever you can on social media so people
can hear this.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Now. This is what is being told.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It is a plague of mass fraud the federal government
and a retired Immigration Customs Enforcement official is revealing now
the secrets that apparently the government does not want you
to know about the p three or.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
P'd as three refugee pipeline.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It was created by the Refugee Act of nineteen eighty
What did it do. It allowed refugees to apply or
their spouses, their unmarried children, and parents to also receive
refugee status in the US. From two thousand and three
through two thousand and eight. Africans including Somalis, represent more
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than ninety five percent of refugees who arrive in the
US through the PDS three program. I'm going to say
that again, Africans including Somalis, represent more than ninety five
percent of the refugees who arrived in the US through
this government PEDS three program.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
That is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
If you look at the rest of the world, you
should be angry if you're from anywhere else in the world.
In March of eight, after some thirty six thousand. They say,
mostly Africans have entered the US as a PEDS three refugees,
the majority of whom resettled in one place, Minnesota. So
now this explains a Somali fraud that is happening in Minnesota.
(11:56):
The people coming in this country from Somalia, mostly Africans,
are going directly to Minnesota where they have set up
a nation state in essence that is now fleecing American
tax hours of billions of dollars in fraud which has
all been uncovered now. The program was halted by then
President George W. Bush after the State Department unveiled back
(12:19):
in eight mass fraud. The State Department published a report
in November of eight detailing how the agency had started
requiring the PDSK three refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia
to take DNA tests to prove they were bred relatives
of the US bound refugees sponsoring them for such status.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So guess what happened? And again, how the hell do
we not know this?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The DNA tests revealed the State Department was only able
to confirm all claimed biological relationships in fewer than twenty
percent of the cases, aka the family units. So more
than eighty percent of the people coming into the US
from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia were lying about.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Even being the family members.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Their ticket to America was being sold on the black
market by the families many times that were in this
country already taking advantage of US through government aid.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We initially tested a sample of some five hundred refugees,
primarily Somali and Ethiopian, in Nairobi, Kenya, under consideration for
US resettlement through the PEDS three program. After these samples
suggested high rates of fraud, we expanded testing to Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Guinea, Gembia,
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and others. Most of the approximately three thousand refugees tested
are from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia. Note that the initial
DNA testing was limited to members of the families only
applying for the pedstree program, and not between the applicants
and the anchor relative.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
The retired ICE official Fillinger published a thirty page brief
in July of eighteen regarding what he called the greatest
refugee fraud crisis in modern times and possibly the biggest
blunder in immigration history. Anywhere thousands and thousands and thousands
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and thousands of fraudulent P three refugees, most using false identities,
streamed into the United States of America. So these are
people just fake names. We don't even know who the
hell they are. We don't know what they're wanted for
in these countries that they committed Hanes crimes, and we're
allowing them in with fake IDs. Not only did we
allow them in, but they streamed in the US for
(14:47):
years before the suspension of the program. Quote, when twenty
five percent of the US workforce was unemployed in the
nineteen thirties, it was called the Great Depression. With nearly
one hundred percent fraud levels in the failed P three program,
it is accurate to call it the greatest refugee fraud
crisis in modern times. Now here's the part that will
(15:11):
even blow your mind. More than that, we knew the
program was corrupt as hell. We knew people were lying
about who they were. We knew they were coming to
America and at record rates they were taking government aid.
And then we find out that former President Barack Obama
reinstated the P three refugee pipeline in twenty twelve after
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making a number of reforms, including requiring DNA testing for
applicants to prove family ties to the refugees in the
United States of America.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Just let that sit in. You look at that, and
you look at.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
These numbers, and what we are now witnessing is two things. One,
the amount of corruption is just massive. Two, like you're
selling family members on the black market. Three we haven't
even fix the people that are in this country that
we could go back and easily deport and get rid
of who defrauded this country. Four we know that the
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amount of fraud is historic levels, costing US billions of dollars.
And five we know that the majority of people coming
in are going straight to wear Minnesota to literally set
up their own country. They're not assimilating into the United
States of America. They're saying, Hey, we're just going to
raise our numbers by thirty six thousand, right, and we'll
just like do that and it's going to be fine,
(16:30):
and then we're just going to elect our own to Congress,
which is exactly what we've seen with Ela momr and others.
Just take a look at Rashid to Leave, for example,
and look at what she's done in this set of
mission where there's another large population of immigrants have come in.
She is protecting them. You want to know what she's doing.
She's not representing America in any capacity. I want to
(16:51):
make that clear. She literally introduced a resolution recognizing what
she described as the genocide of the Palaestinian people in Gossa,
not the attack on the Jews, not the worst attack
on the Jews since the Holocaust.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, she's out there standing up for the terrorist organizations
Hamas and Hesbelah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
This is just.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Another example of what was being said there by Stephen
Miller talking about if and again, this is something that
may be politically incorrect, Okay to say it the right.
People are going to lose their minds, But it's a
conversation we should have. Again, Steve Miller, if some Allians
can't make some ady successful, why we think that the
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track would be any different in the United States of America.
There are people that are going to go berserk at
that comment. I think it's a comment that should have
a grand debate around it. I think we should be
having a conversation after what we just witnessed with billions
of dollars of fraud that is happening before our very
(17:55):
eyes in Minnesota about this conversation. I also want to
make sure that when people are coming in to the
United States of America, they want to be a part
of this country. They're not coming in just to take
advantage of this country. They want to assimilate into this country,
not set up their own country that they just in
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essence came from. That's another part of the equation, another
part of the conversation that I believe should be had.
And I'll say one last thing about this, if we
don't have the conversation that clearly needs to take place,
when Democrats get back into power, they are going to
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flood this country yet again. They are going to flood
this country as fast as they can with illegal immigrants
that are coming in because they want to fundamentally undermine
and change this nation. We know that they've told us
that's their plan. Believe them when they tell you.
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to get Republicans elected in the midterms, but to sit
(20:07):
with Americans and explain what the successes are of the
Trump administration. In fact, for at least the next year,
you're going to see the President hitting the road and
going out there to tell each and every community what
is happening in their community because of the administration's policies. Now,
(20:28):
why is the President doing this simply put, he's doing
it because of the radical left and the liberal media
that's trying to say that somehow our economy is a
disaster right now. The President had a respond to that, saying,
very clearly, the Democrats broke the economy. I'm fixing it,
and that's exactly why I was elected. President Trump hitting
(20:50):
the road Tuesday night to tout the economic successes during
a rally in Pennsylvania. Why it's a battleground state that
could prove key to Republicans holding the House.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In the twenty sixteen mid term elections.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The President saying, quote, I have no higher priority than
making America affordable again and again. They cause high prices.
We're bringing them down, and that's our message. They gave
you high prices, they gave you the highest inflation in history,
and we're bringing those prices down rapidly. You're getting lower prices,
(21:25):
bigger paychecks. We're getting inflation down, we're crushing it, and
you're getting much higher wages. I mean, the only thing
that's really going up big it's called the stock market,
and you're four oh one k.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's going up as well.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
The event was held in Mount Pocono, a working class
town in northeastern Pennsylvania, a district that Trump won by
nine points in twenty twenty four. The rally aired live,
and of course the liberal media they didn't want you
to see it. So what else did the president have
to say? Well, here's one of the excerpts. He talked
(22:00):
about how we're going to repair and work together to
get rid of the last four years, the disaster of
Joe Biden and the radical left, and.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
From the shipyards of Philadelphia to the steel mills of Pittsburgh,
these are great places. Maybe some of you don't even
realize it. You know, you get used to it a
little bit too much sometimes, but these are great places.
From the union halls of Scranton to the kitchen tables
of millions of Pennsylvania families. We're bringing prosperity and pride
(22:33):
surging back to this magnificent Commonwealth. We're bringing it surging back.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Here hot.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Our country's hot, and you're hot. Together, we're repairing four
years of disaster by the radical left, Democrats in Congress,
and by the worst president in the history of our country.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
He is, I mean, it's not a question about.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
That's just the worst president in the history of our country.
The damage he thank you very much, said, damage he's
done to our country is something we can never forget.
After just ten months, our border is secure, our spirit
is restored, Inflation is stopped, wages are up, prices are down,
(23:17):
our nation is strong, America is respected again, and the
United States is backed.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
This as President Trump's GOP approval holding strong now at
eighty seven percent. Wine because the American people that voted
for him, and some who even didn't vote for the president,
believe that the President is actually working hard to make
sure that this country doesn't go the way that the
(23:56):
Democrats had it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He also went on to say this about Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Biden and what he said about what they've done to
your economy and taking your jobs.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Good.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
A major factor that fueled inflation under Biden was the
invasion of twenty five million piece.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Think of this.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Twenty five million people came into our country totally unchecked
and unvetted, mostly across our southern border.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Ten months ago.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
We inherited the worst border in the history of the world,
and now we have the strongest border in the history
of our country. We've never had a border of this
and people don't talk about you notice they don't talk
about it when I ran. When I was running, it
was the biggest thing. And before I was read, that's
all they talked about.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
The border, of the border, of the border. And now
I fixed it. Nobody wants to talk about it, even
my people.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
They say, sir, don't put it in your speech.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Why because nobody cares about the border. You fix it?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
No, But you know how bad that is, because I
forget what you did.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
We had a border that was so bad.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Everybody, criminals, everybody pouring into our country.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Anybody, you know, the Congo. I just settled that war.
The Congo.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Their entire prison population was set into our country. Venezuela,
their entire prison population was dumped.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Into our country.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
And now we have the tightest border we've ever had.
We have one of the strongest borders anywhere in the world.
I would say, there's one country that has probably a
stronger border. You know that is you know that is
North Korea. North Korea, I think has a stronger border.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
But other than North.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Korea has seven walls of wire and each of them
has a million vaults of electricity going through, So if
you get over one, you're dead for the next one.
If you get over one.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You're in very bad shape.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
If you get over too, you've set a record.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
So I don't know, Scott.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I think we give North Korea the safest border, don't
you agree?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
You know? But ours is pretty safe.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I want to thank Pete Hexseth and the military
for helping us.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
The President wasn't done there, also talking about how important
it is that we are actually at a point now
where we're putting Americans first, and that means that jobs
and wages will be going up.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Why because of reverse migration.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
For the first time in fifty years, we now have
reverse migration, which means more jobs, better wages, and higher
income for American citizens, not for illegal aliens. And you
know what, we all have a heart. We want to
take care of people. But these people are getting killed
on the walk up. They're dying. They're dying.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
They have to go through jungles. We don't realize this.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
They are going through areas that are not it's not possible.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
To get through some of the areas.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
They're going through jungles down in the Central America, South America.
Some of these areas with snakes, with crocodiles, and alligator.
They're getting just eaten and they're getting beat up by some.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Of the bad people. Women are being raped.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Remember when I started, I said, we're going to stop.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
The raping women.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
And those caravans a name conceived of by me because
it's a caravan thousands of people, ten fifteen, twenty thousand
people coming up. The women in those caravans are being
raped in unprecedented numbers by other people in the caravans,
by them not coming, they're not even trying to come
now because they know they can't get through.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
We're doing a tremendous service.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Because they're not being killed, and they're not being raped,
and they're not just staying back in their country where
they've been.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
President Trump making it clear as he makes his tour
around the country he's going to remind people locally what
is happening and what he is doing to make sure
that you are actually taken care of. Which brings him
to one final pointy one to make, and that was
about what he's doing for our kids and their future.
(28:16):
Another key part of that is the Trump Accounts, and
here's what the President said about that initiative.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Another key part of our tax cuts is known as
Trump accounts. Under this new program, the federal government who
will be creating an investment savings account for every single
newborn American child with one thousand dollars to be invested
and grow over the course of their life right at
the beginning of birth. Friends, family, employers, and loved ones
(28:44):
will be able to add thousands of dollars a year.
And it's like a trust fund for every American child.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
A trust fund for every American child. The question every
American should be asking is when was the last time
Democrats ever did anything like this for them?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And if you think that's all that's coming, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
If you're a hard working American, guess what's happening in
twenty twenty six. Part of the law as they've already passed,
will be enacted, and one of them is going to
see a lot of more money in many americans pockets,
specifically those that work with tips and also those that
work with overtime.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
We're also putting thousands of dollars in the pockets of
hardworking Pennsylvanians with the largest tax cuts in American history.
That's no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no
tax on Social Security for our great seniors, our seniors,
no tax.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
It's truly incredible.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So if you miss the president on the campaign trail
and you said, man, I wish I could have gone
to a Trump rally, get ready because Donald Trump's hitting
the road and there's a very good chance he's going
to be coming to a city near you very soon.
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I'll see you back here tomorrow.
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