December 14, 2025 • 28 mins
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Fraud Investigations in Minnesota
- Investigations have begun on an alleged large-scale fraud involving pandemic aid programs (e.g., Feeding Our Future) and Somali-American community members.
- Treasury Department, IRS, and FinCEN actions are tightening money transfer verifications.
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Scale of Losses & Evidence
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Criticism of Governor Tim Walz
- Walz was deflecting blame toward politics, AI challenges, and Trump’s “vindictiveness.”
- Quotes from him on accountability and systemic reforms portray his stance as evasive.
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Immigration Policy Debate
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Historical Context & Refugee Program Allegations
- The Priority-3 (P‑3) refugee pipeline, has widespread fraud in family reunification applications.
- DNA testing in the late 2000s revealed fewer than 20% of claimed family ties were valid, leading to program suspension and later reforms.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We've been talking a lot about important story, and that
is Somali refugees that are taking billions of dollars from you,
the taxpayer. We know just how much money and how
many of them are taking your dollars, especially in Minnesota. Well,
now the Treasury Department is ratcheting it up with investigations
targeting the Somali community for fraud, specifically in Minnesota. The
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Treasury Department targeting businesses they say that people use to
wire money to family members abroad, as the Trump administration
is investigating the fraud within Minnesota's Somali community, the Treasury
Secretary of Scott Dissent, confirming on Friday. Now these new
actions have been prompted by a series of fraud cases,
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including a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future that is accused
of stealing pandemic aid meant for school meals. Prosecutors have
put the losses from the case at three one hundred
million dollars. The CENT has pointed to report by conservative
news outlet City Journal, which claims the taxpayer dollars from
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defrauded government programs flowed to Al Shabab, an al Qaeda
linked militant group that controls parts of Somalia. The report
sides unnamed sources, and the allegations have not been substantiated.
Federal prosecutors have not charged any defendants with supporting terrorists.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
On Friday, set on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That the Treasury Department will soon issue an order requiring
money wire services that people use to send money to
Somalia to submit additional verification to the Treasury. The Financial
Crimes Enforcement Network, a Treasury arm that combats financial crimes
like money laundering and terrorism financing, will also deploy to
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assist in the efforts, the Treasury Secretary stated. He added
also that the Internal Revenue Serve would also be involved
in looking into firms accused of engaging in fraud. Additionally,
Treasury personnel are on the ground working hard to uncover
the facts, he said about why so many American tax
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dours have been going to fraud, including going to terrorist
organizations and the money going literally back to Somalia. Now,
Democrats were hoping that this entire scandal would disappear. It
certainly doesn't look good for Democrats, including the governor in Minnesota,
who knew that this was going on. CBS even putting
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out a report saying this way as they're describing how
bad the abuse is.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
A honeymoon in the Maldives, a fleet of luxury cars.
Here's a box with more than two hundred and seventy
thousand dollars in cash. This was all evidence from a
Neutrova files obtained exclusively by CBS News showing how a
group of convicted Minnesota fraudsters spent taxpayer dollars. One text
message reads, you are going to be the richest twenty
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five year old.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We're not even at the end of the beginning of
our pursuit of the stolen money and of the people
who stole it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
US Attorney Daniel Rosen leads the office digging into the
wave of covid era fraud that hit Minnesota. So how
much money are we talking about stolen from the American taxpayer?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I can say with great comfort, well and excessive a
billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
In the past three years, eighty seven defendants have been charged,
sixty one convicted. The majority of them are Somali American
Minnesota has the nation's largest Somali population. The perpetrators are
accused of ripping off state run programs intended to feed
low income kids, house the disabled, and provide services to
autistic children.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This was a get rich scheme.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Andy Luger was the US attorney who first examined this fraud.
He left in January.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
One of the things we discovered is that a number
of the people involved we're buying investment property, resort property
in Kenya.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wire transfers reviewed by CBS News also show more than
one million dollars went to Chinese banks. The Trump administration
has said it's investigating whether any of the money fell
into the hands of terror groups like al Shabab and Somalia.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You listen to that CBS report and you can see
just how bad the corruption is. Not only how bad
the corruption is, but also the fact that there has
been a long history of it and the governor was
looking the other way. Tim Waltz now on Defense saying
this about the Somali community at a press conference today.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Do you want to hear.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
More from members of leaders from the small community to say,
we need to hold our we need to look at ourselves,
we need to pull our own neighbor's cowls a little bit.
The damage that this is donst What do you want
to hear more from a said I just saying don't
blame us.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Do you want to see.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
More O oversight?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Look, it's not law abiding citizens. If that were the case,
there's a lot of white men. Should be holding a
lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they
have committed. I think for the community to maybe educate
their population, because I think what you're seeing here is
there are secondary victims in this, that there's dividers inside
the community that are then victimizing the community himself by
signing them up. Because when we're going to some of
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these people, they're like, I had no idea I was
in this program. So I think it's asking us, then,
you know, for every crime, which of course the majority
being committed by white men, asking us to do more
about that. I think it's crime in general. And I
think the biggest thing on this is is just making
sure that we're educating the population. And again, this is
eighty people or so that have been convicted in this,
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maybe some more in that out of.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A you listen to Waltz there if some alli communities
should hold their own accountable. Quote, a lot of white
men should be holding white men accountable. This is still
a governor that is trying to turn this into some
racial issue instead of a massive fraud issue. There is
fraud in the smalling community. They figured out how defraud
a federal government. The people that are coming into Minnesota
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are understanding how to grab American dollars and send them
back home to not only family members, but to literal
terrorist organizations Al Shabab. Tim Waltz saying this as well
as TV owner, is.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
The welch and spoiled or can you count on flow
issue with the Usury's.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Office here one hundred percent that well is not spoil.
I would let Drew talk to that, and I'm going
to say that in the midst of what's very clearly
a vindictive attack on Minnesota from this administration, I will
say this, the bright point on this has been the
US Attorney's Office, and you saw that when Andy Lueger left,
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we never missed a beat to Joe Thompson and they
have been good part And I'll let Drew talk by
that he worked with them and we have talked about this,
and look, I have to assess this too. I understand
when I speak up it brings Donald Trump's petty vindictiveness
to Minnesota. And this is all about coming and attacking us.
He didn't know anything about this. He doesn't know how
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medicaid program works. The only thing he knows about is
going to double the cost over the next week. But
he doesn't know how these programs work or anything about it.
So he heard and somebody told him the Somalis are
stealing money and they're not doing anything about Throw it
up there. That's not how the US Attorney's office works.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You listen to Tim Waltz and he's saying it yet again,
this is vindictive. So all the waste, all the fraud,
all the abuse, sending many to terrorists. Tim Waltz is
telling you, he's telling the American people, no, no, no, this
is really about vindictive Donald Trump. So then if that's
the case, why did moments later he say this, So if.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
You try and commit fraud Minnesota, and there's folks out
there listening right now, you are going to prison eventually.
I think the biggest thing on this is is you'll
hear from some of the experts here. Many of these programs,
especially federal Medicaid and medicare plagues every state, And when
you set down and dig into this, it takes weeks
and weeks and weeks, and actually it takes years to
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become experts in this. These are programs that have been
layered up in a spider web over the years. That
makes it incredibly difficult, and I think unwinding those are
bringing about the integrity. It's the reason why we're seeing
federal agencies under the Trump administration acknowledge the work that's
being done, acknowledge that these things are better, and actually
suggesting in other states when I talk to them about
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implementing that, because they're going to deal with it. COVID
moved a lot of money very very quickly, and our
goal was to make sure we were moving that money
so that people ate that they were housed, that they
had vaccines. But it also opened up the door to
relax the guardrails and to have fraud be committed.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So there it is the governor yet again blaming everybody
else but himself, and that is why this has become
such a massive problem yet again, when there's very clear
fraud at a level that is a scanner that is broken,
that is putting his governorship in real peril. He's saying
this is somehow just Donald Trump's fault. It's vindictiveness, but eventually,
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as he describes, if you're breaking law, yeah, okay, you'll
go to jail, and then immediately goes back to playing politics.
I look at this governor and he goes back to
say one final thing, giving another excuse for why this happened.
This time, he's not blaming the fact that he and
the people around him refuse to look at the Somali
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community for what they are doing in the crimes of
committing No, no, you want to know what he says.
The real problem is, you know, he's actually blaming for
the waste, fraud and abuse and the money going to
terrorist organizations. He says, it's a e's fault. I'm not joking.
This is his final excuse.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Any amount of fraud is too much. That's where over
the last several years, we've made many systematic changes to
state government to both detect fraud and hold thoseccountable after
it happened year after year. We brought new ideas to
the legislature to stay ahead of the evolving tactics, and
they are evolving. AI poses immense challenges in the fraud space.
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We sought top to bottom change in state government to
create stronger oversite. We leveraged outside experts, we modernize technology
and hold criminals accountable.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So there it is a governor seeing billions of dollars
stowing from the American people, and he says it's a
conspiracy and Trump is the problem by trying to crack
down on it. He then says, it's not actually happening,
but if it is happening, eventually you will get put
in jail eventually. And then he says, it's really AI's
problem that this is happening, not the government for allowing
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it to happen in Minnesota. If you want to know
how broken Minnesota is, this is a perfect example of
it and exactly why the Treasury Department, the IRS, and
the federal government is involved under Trump's leadership, to stop
your tax dollars from going to this abuse and going
to terrorists as well. The White House making it very
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clear that we have a real problem with immigration from
third world countries and is it adding to the United
States of America or is it actually putting you and
many other lives at risk. That is part of the
question that we must be asking and for far too long.
If you ask that question, people immediately say things like
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your racist or your bigot or that's not what America
is about. But the data is showing that we do
have a crisis in this country, and so how do
we deal with it? Stephen Miller talking about this from
the White House on Fox News Channel and clearly telegraphing
what may be coming from the White House. Listen carefully
the words he chooses.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
So one last question, Stephen, I think you and I
could have and should have this conversation out of much
longer skill. This is something that is incredibly important and
worthy of a half hour together. But such as the
nature of television as it is right now, I'm working
on that, but this will be quickly my last question
for you.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
What can we do? Stephen?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
You know, this was something America addressed in the nineteen twenties.
They had these debates, they had these conversations openly, and
they chose in the nineteen twenties to say we are
going to put strict quotas on people coming from different
parts of the world. Sixty five did away with what
we did in the twenties. So do we need something
like the nineteen twenty four Act.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
Clearly we need to have in this country exactly what
President Trump called for which is that we need a
moratorium on immigration from third world countries until we can
heal ourselves as the nation, solve our education issues, solve
our healthcare issues, our public safety issues, our assimilation issues,
our cultural issues. So the nineteen twenty four Act is
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such a good example because so we had large immigration
from Europe from.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Eighteen eighty to nineteen twenty.
Speaker 9 (12:52):
So, in other words, we went from a country that
had immigration from part of Europe to immigration from many
other parts of Europe, but even other European cost entries
post enormous stresses on the US system, both economically and
in terms of security. There's a lot of crime, a
lot of threast in public safety and order, and those
who are addressed with very strict immigration quotas. What they
don't teach you in school is that from nineteen twenty
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to nineteen seventy there was negative migration. There was a
half century of negative migration. The foreign born population declined
by forty percent for half a century. During that same
time period, will the US population doubled from natural childbirth.
That was the cauldron in which a unified shared national
identity was formed.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
They went through.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
A depression together, they went through World Wars together, they
landed on the Moon together. This great period in American
history happened at a time when there was negative migration.
They don't teach that to our kids in school, and frankly,
I would submit very few politicians serving in Congress probably
know that.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Will very few politicians in Washington serving know that as well.
Going back to talking about the nineteen twenty four Act
is a good example. As he described it, he wasn't
done there, by the way, Stephen Miller also talking about
Somalia specifically. Now again, if you talk about Somalia and saying, hey,
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maybe we need to cut back or we need to
look at what we've done here in this country and
how many people are letting in from Somalia, you will
immediately be called a bigot and or a racist for
even trying to have the conversation. I want you to
hear what Stephen had to say about what we're finding
out about what may be one of the biggest frauds
we've ever seen with a number of people coming into
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this country from Somalia.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Listen, I can have as long as I'm willing to
work for.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That's the American drill.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
My next guest has been a driving force behind President Trump'
immigration policies. He is White House Deputy chief of Staff
for Policy, Steven Miller, Stephen, great to see you. You know,
the interesting thing about hearing from a guy like Geene
Simmons right there and what he had to say, when
you do talk to someone who is either the child
or the direct legal immigran the United States, they often
share that type of love of America, wherein when we
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look at in illegal population, you don't often hear that
same type of patriotism.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Well, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Will.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
I think there's been an incredible lack of honest, truthful
candidate conversation in American media for a very long time
about immigration policy.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
And you're right, of course that immigrants who come here
I legally.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Engage in an act of spite against America from the
moment they cross that border and then continue to break
our laws and flat our system and defy our rules
every single day they're here, and continue to plunder and
pillage off the system and of course their children as
a result of so called birthright citizenship, which is the
greatest scam in history. Get unlimited welfare for life that
goes to the benefit of legal alien parents.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
But I want to address your monologue specifically.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
About the nineteen sixty five Immigration Act and what that
means in American history. So, during the Civil rights era,
and this is the civils way I can put it,
there was a thought, in effect. You can go back
and you can read the transcripts of the debate at
the time of applying civil rights to immigration policy for
the globe and to create a civil right for people
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from every part of the world to.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Come to America in ever growing numbers.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
And so a system that for years, as you mentioned,
had been tightly restricted, suddenly established this global ability of
people in every part of the world to come to America,
to bring their families to America, and then eventually empty
out their entire towns and their entire villages to the
United States of America. And so what you saw between
nineteen sixty five and today was the single largest experiment
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on a society, on a civilization that had ever been
conducted in human history, not just the seventy six million
immigrants that were brought in largely from the Third World,
but their descendants too. So you see with a lot
of these immigrant groups. Not only is the first generation unsuccessful,
and Somalia as a clear example here, not only is
the first generation unsuccessful, but you see persistent issues in
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every subsequent generation. So you see consistent high rates of
welfare use, consistent high rates of criminal activity, consistent failures
to assimilate. But they shouldn't be a surprise. Will, It's
just common sense. If Somaldians cannot make Somalia successful, why
would we think that the track will be any different
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in the United States? Go third world country by third
world country. No one's saying, Look, there are people all
over the world that are great people, but you look
at the society.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
If Libya keeps failing.
Speaker 9 (17:38):
If the Central African Republic keeps failing, if Somalia keeps failing. Right,
if these societies all over the world continue to fail,
you have to ask yourself. If you bring those societies
into our country and then give them unlimited, free welfare,
what do we think is gonna happen. You're going to
replicate the conditions that they left over and over and
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over again. And we mask the impact of immigration every
public policy issue we discuss, we talk about test scores.
Will if you subtract immigration out of test scores, all
of a sudden, our test scores skyrocket. If you subtract
immigration out of healthcare, all of a sudden, we don't
have near the size of the healthcare challenges our country faces.
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If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of
a sudden, we don't have violent crime in so many
of our cities. Issue after issue, we talk about these
things that just they just happen to us. The schools
just suddenly fail by the crime just suddenly explodes, the
deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of social
policy choices that we made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You notice what he said, and if you listen to
how he said it, he said, Look, we need legal
immigration because illegal immigration is completely underminding. People are doing
it the right way. That is important. And number two,
you have to look at the issue safety. That is
a conversation that everyone in this country deserves to have
that conversation, and why would we do something there's hurting
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Americans that are in this country, including immigrants who have
come to this country, on a multitude of issues as
basic as.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Housing and jobs.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
These are the conversations that need to be had because
All of this is coming as a former ICE official
has now blown the whistle saying Somali immigration to the
US marked the greatest refugee fraud crisis in modern times.
A whistleblower coming forward explaining just how bad things are
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with Somali migration to the United States of America should
be a front page news story. It is not. Right now,
I'm going to tell you this story and I hope
you'll share it everywhere on social media. Share the podcast
wherever you can on social media so people can hear this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This is what is being told is it's a plague
of mass fraud the federal government and a retired Immigration
Customs Enforcement official is revealing now the secrets that apparently
the government does not want you to know about the
P three or PDAs three refugee pipeline. It was created
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by the Refugee Act of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What did it do?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It allowed refugees to apply for their spouses, their unmarried children,
and parents to also receive refugee status in the US.
From two thousand and three through two thousand and eight, Africans,
including Somalis, represent more than ninety five percent of refugees
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who arrive in the US through the PDAs three program.
I'm going to say that again, Africans, including Somalis, represent
more than ninety five percent of the refugees who arrived
in the US through this government PEDS three program.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That is insane.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If you look at the rest of the world, you
should be angry if you're from anywhere else in the world.
In March of eight, after some thirty six thousand, they
say mostly Africans have entered the US as a PEDS
three refugees, the majority of whom resettled in one place, Minnesota.
So now this explains a Somali fraud that is happening
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in Minnesota. The people coming in this country from Somalia,
mostly Africans, are going directly to Minnesota where they have
set up a nation state in essence that is now
fleecing American tax dours of billions of dollars in fraud
which has all been uncovered now. The program was halted
by then President George W. Bush after the State Department
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unveiled back in eight mass fraud. The State Department published
a report in November of eight detailing how the agency
had started requiring the PDS three refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia,
and Liberia to take DNA tests to prove they were
bred relatives of the US bound refugees sponsoring them for
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such status.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So guess what happened? And again, how the hell did
we not know this?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The DNA tests revealed the State Department was only able
to confirm all claimed biological relationships in fewer than twenty
percent of the cases aka the family units. So more
than eighty percent of the people coming into the US
from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia were lying about even being
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the family members. Their ticket to America was being sold
on the black market by the families many times that
were in this country already taking advantage of US through
government aid.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We initially tested a sample of some five hundred refugees,
primarily Somali and Ethiopian, in Nairobi, Kenya, under consideration for
US resettlement through the pedestree program. After these samples suggested
high rates of fraud, we expanded testing to Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Guinea,
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Gembia and others. Most of the approximately three thousand refugees
tested are from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia. Note that the
initial DNA testing was limited to members of the families
only applying for the pedestri program, and not between the
applicants and the anchor relative. In the United States, the
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retired ICE official Fillinger published a thirty page brief in
July of eighteen regarding what he called the greatest refugee
fraud crisis in modern times and possibly the biggest blunder
in immigration history anywhere. Thousands and thousands and thousands and
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thousands of fraudulent P three refugees, most using false identities,
streamed into the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So these are people just fake names. We don't even
know who the they are.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
We don't know what they're wanted for in these countries
that they committed hanes crimes, and we're allowing them in
with fake IDs. Not only did we allow them in,
but they streamed in the US for years before the
suspension of the program. Quote, when twenty five percent of
the US workforce was unemployed in the nineteen thirties, it
was called the Great Depression. With nearly one hundred percent
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fraud levels in the failed P three program, it is
accurate to call it the greatest refugee fraud crisis. In
modern times. Now here's the part that will even blow
your mind more than that. We knew the program was
corrupt as hell. We knew people were lying about who
they were. We knew they were coming to America and
at record rates they were taking government aid. And then
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we find out that former President Barack Obama reinstated the
P three refugee pipeline in twenty twelve after making a
number of reforms, including requiring DNA testing for applicants to
prove family ties to the refugees in the United States
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of America. Just let that sit in. You look at that,
and you look at these numbers, and what we are
now witnessing is two things. One, the amount of corruption
is just massive. Two, like you're selling family members on
the black market. Three we haven't even fixed the people
that are in this country that we could go back
and easily deport and get rid of who defrauded this country.
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Four we know that the amount of fraud is historic levels,
costing US billions of dollars. And five we know that
the majority of people coming in are going straight to
wear Minnesota to literally set up their own country. They're
not assimilating into the United States of America. They're saying, Hey,
we're just going to raise our numbers by thirty six thousand, right,
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and we'll just like do that and it's going to
be fine, and then we're just going to elect our
own to Congress, which is exactly what we've seen with
Elamo mar and others. Just take a look at Rashid
to Leave, for example, and look at what she's done
in this set of Michion where there's another large population
of immigrants have come in. She is protecting them. You
want to know what she's doing. She's not representing America
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in any capacity. I want to make that clear. She
literally introduced a resolution recognizing what she described as the
genocide of the Palestinian people in Goss. It not the
attack on the Jews, not the worst attack on the
Jews since the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, she's.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Out there standing up for the terrorist organizations Hamas and hesblah.
This is just another example of what was being said
there by Stephen Miller talking about if and again, this
is something that may be politically incorrect, Okay to say
it right, people are going to lose their minds, but
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it's a conversation we should have.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Again, stee Miller.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
If some Audians can't make some allys successful, why we
think that the track would be any different in the
United States of America. There are people that are going
to go berserk at that comment. I think it's a
comment that should have a grand debate around it. I
think we should be having a conversation after what we
just witnessed with billions of dollars of fraud that is
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happening before our very eyes in Minnesota, about this conversation.
I also want to make sure that when people are
coming in to the United States of America, they want
to be a part of this country. They're not coming
in just to take advantage of this country. They want
to assimilate into this country, not set up their own
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country that they just in essence came from. That's another
part of the equation, another part of the conversation that
I believe should be had. And I'll say one last
thing about this, If we don't have the conversation that
clearly needs to take place, when Democrat get back into power,
they are going to flood this country yet again. They
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are going to flood this country as fast as they
can with illegal immigrants that are coming in because they
want to fundamentally undermine and change this nation. We know
that they've told us that's their plan. Believe them when
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Speaker 2 (28:28):
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We've been talking a lot about important story, and that
is Somali refugees that are taking billions of dollars from you,
the taxpayer. We know just how much money and how
many of them are taking your dollars, especially in Minnesota. Well,
now the Treasury Department is ratcheting it up with investigations
targeting the Somali community for fraud, specifically in Minnesota. The
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Treasury Department targeting businesses they say that people use to
wire money to family members abroad, as the Trump administration
is investigating the fraud within Minnesota's Somali community, the Treasury
Secretary of Scott Dissent, confirming on Friday. Now these new
actions have been prompted by a series of fraud cases,
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including a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future that is accused
of stealing pandemic aid meant for school meals. Prosecutors have
put the losses from the case at three one hundred
million dollars. The CENT has pointed to report by conservative
news outlet City Journal, which claims the taxpayer dollars from
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defrauded government programs flowed to Al Shabab, an al Qaeda
linked militant group that controls parts of Somalia. The report
sides unnamed sources, and the allegations have not been substantiated.
Federal prosecutors have not charged any defendants with supporting terrorists.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
On Friday, set on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That the Treasury Department will soon issue an order requiring
money wire services that people use to send money to
Somalia to submit additional verification to the Treasury. The Financial
Crimes Enforcement Network, a Treasury arm that combats financial crimes
like money laundering and terrorism financing, will also deploy to
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assist in the efforts, the Treasury Secretary stated. He added
also that the Internal Revenue Serve would also be involved
in looking into firms accused of engaging in fraud. Additionally,
Treasury personnel are on the ground working hard to uncover
the facts, he said about why so many American tax
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dours have been going to fraud, including going to terrorist
organizations and the money going literally back to Somalia. Now,
Democrats were hoping that this entire scandal would disappear. It
certainly doesn't look good for Democrats, including the governor in Minnesota,
who knew that this was going on. CBS even putting
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out a report saying this way as they're describing how
bad the abuse is.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
A honeymoon in the Maldives, a fleet of luxury cars.
Here's a box with more than two hundred and seventy
thousand dollars in cash. This was all evidence from a
Neutrova files obtained exclusively by CBS News showing how a
group of convicted Minnesota fraudsters spent taxpayer dollars. One text
message reads, you are going to be the richest twenty
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five year old.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We're not even at the end of the beginning of
our pursuit of the stolen money and of the people
who stole it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
US Attorney Daniel Rosen leads the office digging into the
wave of covid era fraud that hit Minnesota. So how
much money are we talking about stolen from the American taxpayer?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I can say with great comfort, well and excessive a
billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
In the past three years, eighty seven defendants have been charged,
sixty one convicted. The majority of them are Somali American
Minnesota has the nation's largest Somali population. The perpetrators are
accused of ripping off state run programs intended to feed
low income kids, house the disabled, and provide services to
autistic children.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This was a get rich scheme.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Andy Luger was the US attorney who first examined this fraud.
He left in January.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
One of the things we discovered is that a number
of the people involved we're buying investment property, resort property
in Kenya.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wire transfers reviewed by CBS News also show more than
one million dollars went to Chinese banks. The Trump administration
has said it's investigating whether any of the money fell
into the hands of terror groups like al Shabab and Somalia.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You listen to that CBS report and you can see
just how bad the corruption is. Not only how bad
the corruption is, but also the fact that there has
been a long history of it and the governor was
looking the other way. Tim Waltz now on Defense saying
this about the Somali community at a press conference today.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Do you want to hear.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
More from members of leaders from the small community to say,
we need to hold our we need to look at ourselves,
we need to pull our own neighbor's cowls a little bit.
The damage that this is donst What do you want
to hear more from a said I just saying don't
blame us.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Do you want to see.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
More O oversight?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Look, it's not law abiding citizens. If that were the case,
there's a lot of white men. Should be holding a
lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they
have committed. I think for the community to maybe educate
their population, because I think what you're seeing here is
there are secondary victims in this, that there's dividers inside
the community that are then victimizing the community himself by
signing them up. Because when we're going to some of
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these people, they're like, I had no idea I was
in this program. So I think it's asking us, then,
you know, for every crime, which of course the majority
being committed by white men, asking us to do more
about that. I think it's crime in general. And I
think the biggest thing on this is is just making
sure that we're educating the population. And again, this is
eighty people or so that have been convicted in this,
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maybe some more in that out of.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
A you listen to Waltz there if some alli communities
should hold their own accountable. Quote, a lot of white
men should be holding white men accountable. This is still
a governor that is trying to turn this into some
racial issue instead of a massive fraud issue. There is
fraud in the smalling community. They figured out how defraud
a federal government. The people that are coming into Minnesota
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are understanding how to grab American dollars and send them
back home to not only family members, but to literal
terrorist organizations Al Shabab. Tim Waltz saying this as well
as TV owner, is.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
The welch and spoiled or can you count on flow
issue with the Usury's.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Office here one hundred percent that well is not spoil.
I would let Drew talk to that, and I'm going
to say that in the midst of what's very clearly
a vindictive attack on Minnesota from this administration, I will
say this, the bright point on this has been the
US Attorney's Office, and you saw that when Andy Lueger left,
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we never missed a beat to Joe Thompson and they
have been good part And I'll let Drew talk by
that he worked with them and we have talked about this,
and look, I have to assess this too. I understand
when I speak up it brings Donald Trump's petty vindictiveness
to Minnesota. And this is all about coming and attacking us.
He didn't know anything about this. He doesn't know how
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medicaid program works. The only thing he knows about is
going to double the cost over the next week. But
he doesn't know how these programs work or anything about it.
So he heard and somebody told him the Somalis are
stealing money and they're not doing anything about Throw it
up there. That's not how the US Attorney's office works.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You listen to Tim Waltz and he's saying it yet again,
this is vindictive. So all the waste, all the fraud,
all the abuse, sending many to terrorists. Tim Waltz is
telling you, he's telling the American people, no, no, no, this
is really about vindictive Donald Trump. So then if that's
the case, why did moments later he say this, So if.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
You try and commit fraud Minnesota, and there's folks out
there listening right now, you are going to prison eventually.
I think the biggest thing on this is is you'll
hear from some of the experts here. Many of these programs,
especially federal Medicaid and medicare plagues every state, And when
you set down and dig into this, it takes weeks
and weeks and weeks, and actually it takes years to
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become experts in this. These are programs that have been
layered up in a spider web over the years. That
makes it incredibly difficult, and I think unwinding those are
bringing about the integrity. It's the reason why we're seeing
federal agencies under the Trump administration acknowledge the work that's
being done, acknowledge that these things are better, and actually
suggesting in other states when I talk to them about
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implementing that, because they're going to deal with it. COVID
moved a lot of money very very quickly, and our
goal was to make sure we were moving that money
so that people ate that they were housed, that they
had vaccines. But it also opened up the door to
relax the guardrails and to have fraud be committed.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So there it is the governor yet again blaming everybody
else but himself, and that is why this has become
such a massive problem yet again, when there's very clear
fraud at a level that is a scanner that is broken,
that is putting his governorship in real peril. He's saying
this is somehow just Donald Trump's fault. It's vindictiveness, but eventually,
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as he describes, if you're breaking law, yeah, okay, you'll
go to jail, and then immediately goes back to playing politics.
I look at this governor and he goes back to
say one final thing, giving another excuse for why this happened.
This time, he's not blaming the fact that he and
the people around him refuse to look at the Somali
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community for what they are doing in the crimes of
committing No, no, you want to know what he says.
The real problem is, you know, he's actually blaming for
the waste, fraud and abuse and the money going to
terrorist organizations. He says, it's a e's fault. I'm not joking.
This is his final excuse.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Any amount of fraud is too much. That's where over
the last several years, we've made many systematic changes to
state government to both detect fraud and hold thoseccountable after
it happened year after year. We brought new ideas to
the legislature to stay ahead of the evolving tactics, and
they are evolving. AI poses immense challenges in the fraud space.
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We sought top to bottom change in state government to
create stronger oversite. We leveraged outside experts, we modernize technology
and hold criminals accountable.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So there it is a governor seeing billions of dollars
stowing from the American people, and he says it's a
conspiracy and Trump is the problem by trying to crack
down on it. He then says, it's not actually happening,
but if it is happening, eventually you will get put
in jail eventually. And then he says, it's really AI's
problem that this is happening, not the government for allowing
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it to happen in Minnesota. If you want to know
how broken Minnesota is, this is a perfect example of
it and exactly why the Treasury Department, the IRS, and
the federal government is involved under Trump's leadership, to stop
your tax dollars from going to this abuse and going
to terrorists as well. The White House making it very
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clear that we have a real problem with immigration from
third world countries and is it adding to the United
States of America or is it actually putting you and
many other lives at risk. That is part of the
question that we must be asking and for far too long.
If you ask that question, people immediately say things like
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your racist or your bigot or that's not what America
is about. But the data is showing that we do
have a crisis in this country, and so how do
we deal with it? Stephen Miller talking about this from
the White House on Fox News Channel and clearly telegraphing
what may be coming from the White House. Listen carefully
the words he chooses.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
So one last question, Stephen, I think you and I
could have and should have this conversation out of much
longer skill. This is something that is incredibly important and
worthy of a half hour together. But such as the
nature of television as it is right now, I'm working
on that, but this will be quickly my last question
for you.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
What can we do? Stephen?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
You know, this was something America addressed in the nineteen twenties.
They had these debates, they had these conversations openly, and
they chose in the nineteen twenties to say we are
going to put strict quotas on people coming from different
parts of the world. Sixty five did away with what
we did in the twenties. So do we need something
like the nineteen twenty four Act.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
Clearly we need to have in this country exactly what
President Trump called for which is that we need a
moratorium on immigration from third world countries until we can
heal ourselves as the nation, solve our education issues, solve
our healthcare issues, our public safety issues, our assimilation issues,
our cultural issues. So the nineteen twenty four Act is
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such a good example because so we had large immigration
from Europe from.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Eighteen eighty to nineteen twenty.
Speaker 9 (12:52):
So, in other words, we went from a country that
had immigration from part of Europe to immigration from many
other parts of Europe, but even other European cost entries
post enormous stresses on the US system, both economically and
in terms of security. There's a lot of crime, a
lot of threast in public safety and order, and those
who are addressed with very strict immigration quotas. What they
don't teach you in school is that from nineteen twenty
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to nineteen seventy there was negative migration. There was a
half century of negative migration. The foreign born population declined
by forty percent for half a century. During that same
time period, will the US population doubled from natural childbirth.
That was the cauldron in which a unified shared national
identity was formed.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
They went through.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
A depression together, they went through World Wars together, they
landed on the Moon together. This great period in American
history happened at a time when there was negative migration.
They don't teach that to our kids in school, and frankly,
I would submit very few politicians serving in Congress probably
know that.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Will very few politicians in Washington serving know that as well.
Going back to talking about the nineteen twenty four Act
is a good example. As he described it, he wasn't
done there, by the way, Stephen Miller also talking about
Somalia specifically. Now again, if you talk about Somalia and saying, hey,
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maybe we need to cut back or we need to
look at what we've done here in this country and
how many people are letting in from Somalia, you will
immediately be called a bigot and or a racist for
even trying to have the conversation. I want you to
hear what Stephen had to say about what we're finding
out about what may be one of the biggest frauds
we've ever seen with a number of people coming into
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this country from Somalia.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Listen, I can have as long as I'm willing to
work for.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That's the American drill.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
My next guest has been a driving force behind President Trump'
immigration policies. He is White House Deputy chief of Staff
for Policy, Steven Miller, Stephen, great to see you. You know,
the interesting thing about hearing from a guy like Geene
Simmons right there and what he had to say, when
you do talk to someone who is either the child
or the direct legal immigran the United States, they often
share that type of love of America, wherein when we
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look at in illegal population, you don't often hear that
same type of patriotism.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Well, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Will.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
I think there's been an incredible lack of honest, truthful
candidate conversation in American media for a very long time
about immigration policy.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
And you're right, of course that immigrants who come here
I legally.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Engage in an act of spite against America from the
moment they cross that border and then continue to break
our laws and flat our system and defy our rules
every single day they're here, and continue to plunder and
pillage off the system and of course their children as
a result of so called birthright citizenship, which is the
greatest scam in history. Get unlimited welfare for life that
goes to the benefit of legal alien parents.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
But I want to address your monologue specifically.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
About the nineteen sixty five Immigration Act and what that
means in American history. So, during the Civil rights era,
and this is the civils way I can put it,
there was a thought, in effect. You can go back
and you can read the transcripts of the debate at
the time of applying civil rights to immigration policy for
the globe and to create a civil right for people
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from every part of the world to.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Come to America in ever growing numbers.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
And so a system that for years, as you mentioned,
had been tightly restricted, suddenly established this global ability of
people in every part of the world to come to America,
to bring their families to America, and then eventually empty
out their entire towns and their entire villages to the
United States of America. And so what you saw between
nineteen sixty five and today was the single largest experiment
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on a society, on a civilization that had ever been
conducted in human history, not just the seventy six million
immigrants that were brought in largely from the Third World,
but their descendants too. So you see with a lot
of these immigrant groups. Not only is the first generation unsuccessful,
and Somalia as a clear example here, not only is
the first generation unsuccessful, but you see persistent issues in
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every subsequent generation. So you see consistent high rates of
welfare use, consistent high rates of criminal activity, consistent failures
to assimilate. But they shouldn't be a surprise. Will, It's
just common sense. If Somaldians cannot make Somalia successful, why
would we think that the track will be any different
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in the United States? Go third world country by third
world country. No one's saying, Look, there are people all
over the world that are great people, but you look
at the society.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
If Libya keeps failing.
Speaker 9 (17:38):
If the Central African Republic keeps failing, if Somalia keeps failing. Right,
if these societies all over the world continue to fail,
you have to ask yourself. If you bring those societies
into our country and then give them unlimited, free welfare,
what do we think is gonna happen. You're going to
replicate the conditions that they left over and over and
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over again. And we mask the impact of immigration every
public policy issue we discuss, we talk about test scores.
Will if you subtract immigration out of test scores, all
of a sudden, our test scores skyrocket. If you subtract
immigration out of healthcare, all of a sudden, we don't
have near the size of the healthcare challenges our country faces.
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If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of
a sudden, we don't have violent crime in so many
of our cities. Issue after issue, we talk about these
things that just they just happen to us. The schools
just suddenly fail by the crime just suddenly explodes, the
deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of social
policy choices that we made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You notice what he said, and if you listen to
how he said it, he said, Look, we need legal
immigration because illegal immigration is completely underminding. People are doing
it the right way. That is important. And number two,
you have to look at the issue safety. That is
a conversation that everyone in this country deserves to have
that conversation, and why would we do something there's hurting
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Americans that are in this country, including immigrants who have
come to this country, on a multitude of issues as
basic as.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Housing and jobs.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
These are the conversations that need to be had because
All of this is coming as a former ICE official
has now blown the whistle saying Somali immigration to the
US marked the greatest refugee fraud crisis in modern times.
A whistleblower coming forward explaining just how bad things are
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with Somali migration to the United States of America should
be a front page news story. It is not. Right now,
I'm going to tell you this story and I hope
you'll share it everywhere on social media. Share the podcast
wherever you can on social media so people can hear this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This is what is being told is it's a plague
of mass fraud the federal government and a retired Immigration
Customs Enforcement official is revealing now the secrets that apparently
the government does not want you to know about the
P three or PDAs three refugee pipeline. It was created
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by the Refugee Act of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What did it do?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It allowed refugees to apply for their spouses, their unmarried children,
and parents to also receive refugee status in the US.
From two thousand and three through two thousand and eight, Africans,
including Somalis, represent more than ninety five percent of refugees
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who arrive in the US through the PDAs three program.
I'm going to say that again, Africans, including Somalis, represent
more than ninety five percent of the refugees who arrived
in the US through this government PEDS three program.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That is insane.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If you look at the rest of the world, you
should be angry if you're from anywhere else in the world.
In March of eight, after some thirty six thousand, they
say mostly Africans have entered the US as a PEDS
three refugees, the majority of whom resettled in one place, Minnesota.
So now this explains a Somali fraud that is happening
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in Minnesota. The people coming in this country from Somalia,
mostly Africans, are going directly to Minnesota where they have
set up a nation state in essence that is now
fleecing American tax dours of billions of dollars in fraud
which has all been uncovered now. The program was halted
by then President George W. Bush after the State Department
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unveiled back in eight mass fraud. The State Department published
a report in November of eight detailing how the agency
had started requiring the PDS three refugees from Somalia, Ethiopia,
and Liberia to take DNA tests to prove they were
bred relatives of the US bound refugees sponsoring them for
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such status.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So guess what happened? And again, how the hell did
we not know this?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The DNA tests revealed the State Department was only able
to confirm all claimed biological relationships in fewer than twenty
percent of the cases aka the family units. So more
than eighty percent of the people coming into the US
from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia were lying about even being
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the family members. Their ticket to America was being sold
on the black market by the families many times that
were in this country already taking advantage of US through
government aid.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We initially tested a sample of some five hundred refugees,
primarily Somali and Ethiopian, in Nairobi, Kenya, under consideration for
US resettlement through the pedestree program. After these samples suggested
high rates of fraud, we expanded testing to Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Guinea,
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Gembia and others. Most of the approximately three thousand refugees
tested are from Somalia, Ethiopia, and Liberia. Note that the
initial DNA testing was limited to members of the families
only applying for the pedestri program, and not between the
applicants and the anchor relative. In the United States, the
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retired ICE official Fillinger published a thirty page brief in
July of eighteen regarding what he called the greatest refugee
fraud crisis in modern times and possibly the biggest blunder
in immigration history anywhere. Thousands and thousands and thousands and
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thousands of fraudulent P three refugees, most using false identities,
streamed into the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So these are people just fake names. We don't even
know who the they are.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
We don't know what they're wanted for in these countries
that they committed hanes crimes, and we're allowing them in
with fake IDs. Not only did we allow them in,
but they streamed in the US for years before the
suspension of the program. Quote, when twenty five percent of
the US workforce was unemployed in the nineteen thirties, it
was called the Great Depression. With nearly one hundred percent
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fraud levels in the failed P three program, it is
accurate to call it the greatest refugee fraud crisis. In
modern times. Now here's the part that will even blow
your mind more than that. We knew the program was
corrupt as hell. We knew people were lying about who
they were. We knew they were coming to America and
at record rates they were taking government aid. And then
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we find out that former President Barack Obama reinstated the
P three refugee pipeline in twenty twelve after making a
number of reforms, including requiring DNA testing for applicants to
prove family ties to the refugees in the United States
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of America. Just let that sit in. You look at that,
and you look at these numbers, and what we are
now witnessing is two things. One, the amount of corruption
is just massive. Two, like you're selling family members on
the black market. Three we haven't even fixed the people
that are in this country that we could go back
and easily deport and get rid of who defrauded this country.
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Four we know that the amount of fraud is historic levels,
costing US billions of dollars. And five we know that
the majority of people coming in are going straight to
wear Minnesota to literally set up their own country. They're
not assimilating into the United States of America. They're saying, Hey,
we're just going to raise our numbers by thirty six thousand, right,
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and we'll just like do that and it's going to
be fine, and then we're just going to elect our
own to Congress, which is exactly what we've seen with
Elamo mar and others. Just take a look at Rashid
to Leave, for example, and look at what she's done
in this set of Michion where there's another large population
of immigrants have come in. She is protecting them. You
want to know what she's doing. She's not representing America
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in any capacity. I want to make that clear. She
literally introduced a resolution recognizing what she described as the
genocide of the Palestinian people in Goss. It not the
attack on the Jews, not the worst attack on the
Jews since the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, she's.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Out there standing up for the terrorist organizations Hamas and hesblah.
This is just another example of what was being said
there by Stephen Miller talking about if and again, this
is something that may be politically incorrect, Okay to say
it right, people are going to lose their minds, but
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it's a conversation we should have.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Again, stee Miller.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
If some Audians can't make some allys successful, why we
think that the track would be any different in the
United States of America. There are people that are going
to go berserk at that comment. I think it's a
comment that should have a grand debate around it. I
think we should be having a conversation after what we
just witnessed with billions of dollars of fraud that is
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happening before our very eyes in Minnesota, about this conversation.
I also want to make sure that when people are
coming in to the United States of America, they want
to be a part of this country. They're not coming
in just to take advantage of this country. They want
to assimilate into this country, not set up their own
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country that they just in essence came from. That's another
part of the equation, another part of the conversation that
I believe should be had. And I'll say one last
thing about this, If we don't have the conversation that
clearly needs to take place, when Democrat get back into power,
they are going to flood this country yet again. They
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are going to flood this country as fast as they
can with illegal immigrants that are coming in because they
want to fundamentally undermine and change this nation. We know
that they've told us that's their plan. Believe them when
they tell you this. Don't forget to share this podcast,
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.