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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The court has ruled against Donald Trump. No shocker there
and his gag order appeal. Clearly it is election interference.
The fact that Michael Cohen can make money off of
attacking Donald Trump as the starlying witness of this entire
court case pending on hinging on his testimony, and it
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has been a total you know what show during his
time in front of the court. Now, let's go back
to the gag order that I started with a second ago.
Former President Trump will remain and gag during his criminal
trial in Manhattan. The New York Appeals Court has ruled
Trump can now petition. However, the New York Court of
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Appeals the gag order prevents Trump from making public comments
about witnesses participating in the trial. That obviously means he's
not allowed to talk about Michael Cohen, even though Michael
Cohen is allowed to talk about him, do a podcast,
make money attacking Trump anywhere they'll put him on TV,
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and he's doing it a lot, So.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Also, he is gaged from talking about the council other
than the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, members of the
court's staff, and the District Attorney's staff. Or the family
members of any council or staff member, if those statements
are made with the intent to materially interfere with the
councils or staff's work on the case. It also encompasses
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prospective jurors. The order reads, we find that Justice Merchant
properly waged Petitioners' First Amendment rights against the Court's historical
commitment to ensuring the fair administration of justice in criminal
cases and the right of persons related or tangibly related
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to the criminal proceedings from being free from threats, intimidation, harassment,
and harm. Yet all of those things can happen to
Donald Trump, the former president of the United States of America,
while he's the front runner running for president, and while
everyone else can rip on him, he can't defend himself.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, so they say the judge did it great.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Justice Merchant properly determined the petitioner's public statements pose a significant.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Threat to the integrity.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The order goes on to say of the testimony of
witnesses and potential witnesses in this case as well. Donald
Trump's team argue that the gag order is unconstitutional. You
asked my question, ask me questions I'm not allowed to respond,
is what Trump told reporters Tuesday morning before walking into
the courtroom. Quote, the gag order has to come off,
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had argued in this gag order, saying it is quote unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Earlier in May, New.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
York court judge Merchant ruled for a second time that
Trump violated his gag order during the trial, holding him
in criminal contempt and threatening to jail him for any
further infractions. Merchant find Trump one thousand dollars for a
single violation, previously fined Trump for nine different violations.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Trump's tenth contempt defense.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Occurred before the last order and not afterwards. Trump did
not push the boundaries after the gag order ruling. Apparently
he was looking for the state to step in or
this appeals court, and they did not.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now, obviously he can appeal.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now we'll see what the president decides to do, which
brings me back to this court case. James Carvill. He's
a former Clinton strategist. James Carvill is a guy that
is well known in democratic circles to give brilliant advice to.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Democratic candidates and.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Causes losing his mind now because he says what we
were hoping was going to happen in this court case
is not working. Take a listen to what he had
to say, and then also what tw Shannon had to
say on the Trump hush money trial as well on
Fox Trump's.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Boy ahead than he's ever been more fewer people think
January sixth was of any kind of What it was
was an assault on the temple of democracy to a constitution.
I don't know, whatever you want to say, it's going
the wrong way. It's not working. Everything that we're throwing
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is spaghetti at a wall, and none of it is
sticking me.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Included are you seeing and believing what you're hearing from
democratic and we.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Know who he is.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
James Carville, analysts, strategists, wear's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Hats right now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He's wearing the hat of saying the quiet part out loud.
I thought the justice system was justice system, but he
says everything that Democrats are throwing at them, well, that's
an admission that this is all part of what some
kind of a game against Trump, and it's not working.
TW Shannon, former Oklahoma House speaker and attorney himself. When
you lose, James Carville and Al Sharpton saying similarly, like
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how can democrats talk about January sixth. If all the
protesting is going on and so on and so forth,
we look like what we say we hate.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Or whatever I'm paraphrasing here.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's like animal farm Haris where you know, we've all
become the pigs in this country now the very thing
we say we hate, the Democrats have actually become. I mean, listen,
this is what you've got to believe if you believe
this case. Because the Democrats can't be Donald Trump at
the ballot box. They're trying to beat them in the
jury box. But the truth is, this case is built
on two things. It's built on a liar, a professional liar,
and a whore. And I use that as a biblical
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term because she's accepted money for sex. But you've got
the liar now who's actually horing himself out selling merch
and propaganda the trial.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
And you've got the whore who's actually become the liar.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I mean, this whole case in and of itself flies
in the face of our very democracy, our republic, our
founding fathers are turning over because at the end of
the day, what you've got to believe, if you believe
the case of Alvin Brad's is that Donald Trump should
have used campaign funds in order to obtain this agreement
that he had with Stormy Daniels. As part of the
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agreement that they have as a non disclosure. This is
not a campaign expense. Cohen even admitted it. Yes, Yes,
So the fact that this case has fallen apart, we
see it happening before our very eyes. And I'm so
glad we've got the Speaker of the House and others
there because this is a constitutional crisis that we're facing,
and these people have taken an oath of office. They
should be there in support of our president. Anybody should
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who cares about this country in the constitution.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And by the way, he did admit to that yesterday.
He admitted he paid for it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He admitted that he did this the way that Donald
Trump said it was done, and that he's also a
serial liar.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
In Michael Cohen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And yet the entire case hinges on his testimony. Many politicians,
by the way, on the Republican side are now stepping
up and showing a very focused support strategy for Donald Trump.
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson saying this earlier today
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about the entire case.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
President Trump is a friend, and I wanted to be
here to support him. I'm here speaking with you outside
because the court won't allow us to speak inside the building.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
That's just one of the many things that are wrong here.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
This is the fifth week that President Trump has been
in court for this sham of a trial. They are
doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him
off of the campaign trail. I think everybody in the
country can see that for what it is. I'm an attorney,
I'm a former litigator myself.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
I am disgusted by what is happening here.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
What is being done here to our entire system of
justice overall. The people are losing faith right now in
this country, in our institutions. They're losing faith in our
system of justice. And the reason for that is because
they see it being abused as it is being done.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Here in New York. The facts here are very important.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Facts are always important in a trial, or at least
they're supposed to be. The President's actions in this matter
were previously reviewed and no charges were filed. Why is
that because there's no crime here. Now eight years later,
suddenly they've resurrected this thing. They brought it back, And
why is that we'll just apply common sense. Everyone can see.
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It's painfully obvious that we are now six months out
from an election day, and that's the reason, that is
the reason why they brought these charges here and across
the country.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Eight years later, they brought it back.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Speaker Johnson absolutely rat right where he said, the facts
are very important. The facts are important in this trial,
at least they were supposed to be. And this is
a witch hunt. There was no crime, right, that's what
he said. The President's actions in this matter were previously
reviewed by the DOJ and no charges were filed. Why
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is that because there was no crime here? Now eight
years later, suddenly they resurrect this saying they brought it back.
And why well, because it's six months out from an election,
and that's the reason. That's the reason why they brought
these charges here and across the country to try to
have real interference in this election.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Which brings me to Alan Dersowitz.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Alan Dershowitz went on Newsmax and he said this about
the Democrats and what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
Purpose of this trial is threefold. Number one, to convict
him down and dirty before the election. Although we'll get
reversed after the election. Number two, to have a gag
order on him, and number three to keep him locked
up in the courtroom so he can't That's a campaign
and those goals may very well be accomplished. This is
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election interference at its most obvious. And every American, no
matter whether you're for Trump or against them, I'm not
you know, I voted for Biden. Whatever your political affiliation is,
I'm a Democrat. You should be equally concerned about how
this legal system is being weaponized and abused for partisan purposes.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Alan Dirtzewitz, by the way, is no massive Trump fan.
To be clear, this is a guy that's been more liberal.
He's a guy that is a Harvard law professor.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But he is right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The three reasons convict him down and dirty before the
election is to say, look, he's a convicted guy. Right,
This guy's a criminal. Donald Trump's a criminal. You don't
want a criminal, believe the president of the United States
of America.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Never.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
By the way, don't let's not talk about comparing contrast
with the Biden crime family and what they've gotten away with.
But he's right that that's number one. Number two, he's
right to have a gaggard on him. So he can't
defend himself against the attacks from Michael Cohen or anyone
else in the left that is involved in this trial,
which is also again disgusting. And as he said number three,
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which I actually think is the Democrat's most important reason
for doing this, and the timing of it, is to
keep Donald Trump locked up in the courtroom so he
can't go out on the campaign trail, and those goals
may very well be accomplished here. He said, this is
election interference, and it's most obvious in every American, no
matter whether you're for Trump or against him, you should
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be able to see it. And I agree with him,
by the way, this is something that everyone should be
able to see.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I'm glad that Republicans are coming to his aid. I
think this is a smart response. If you can't be
out there campaigning, then at least have people that are
out there at campaigning on your behalf, making statement on
your behalf, have a united front here to talk about
just how egregious all of this is.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Having the Speaker of the House.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Go to New York to this court to do this
press conference and to answer these questions and to bring
up these different things that he just did. Is exactly
what the conservative movement should be doing for Donald J.
Trump because he cannot campaign right now. And everybody knows it,
like every like, the Democrats know it, the media know it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They all know it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Byron Donald's said this outside the courthouse as well as
he was sitting there with Vivik Garramswami and others.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
Listen, ladies and gentlemen of America. This this trial is
a joke. This thing is a farce. We were in
there all morning. Michael Cowen basically sat there and said, yeah,
he did voids legal expenses. The Trump campaign, the Trump organization,
not the campaign, paid out money in legal expenses. Where's
the crime. There is no crime. The crime that's happening
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here is this Democrat judge and the Democrat Party prosecuting
their political rival right in the middle of a presidential election.
The crime here is that the issues facing our nation
are not being addressed by the Democrats, but they want
to go after Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
And there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
There's nothing that has been wrong here, nothing that has
been done poorly by President Trump. The only thing that's
being done wrong is by this judge. His daughter's making
money raising money for Democrats, and all of the fundraising
emails and all the fundraising things are about this trial
that his daughter is using. He will recuse himself. This
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is a travesty of justice, This is a misuse of
the justice system. And look around New York. New York's
got plenty of issues. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. You
have all of NYPD's finance down here because of this
travesty going on in that courtroom. Meanwhile, the citizens of
New York are less safe, and the district attorney in
New York is not prosecuting real crime.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
He's a sorrow's.
Speaker 10 (16:01):
Back da going after his chief political rival in Donald Trump.
America is better than this, and so unfortunately it's going
to take the American people this November to let their
voices be heard on this travesty of justice that's occurring
and making sure that Donald Trump is the forty seventh
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Byron Donald's, I think brings up some really good points here.
And look, the media is filling this as well. George Stepanopolis,
former Press Secretary, White House Press Secretary, Bill Clinton, a
guy that you now know on NBC News or is
it CBS. I can't even remember because I never watched
it anymore, but he hosts that, you know, Good Morning America,
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whatever it is, and he was on MSNBC and one
of the things that he said on MSNBC is that
if Trump wins, the situation room quote unquote will be uncontrolled.
This is exactly what the media and the left said
last time. Trump was going to if he became president
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in sixteen, Right, Oh, he's going to take us into
World War three?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Did he put us in any wars? No, he didn't.
He did not put us in any wars.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
He can't be trusted with the nuclear codes.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What are the checks and balances that the president decides to,
you know, shoot a nuclear weapon in another country? Is
are people in place to stop him?
Speaker 10 (17:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Those are the That was the media coverage.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You can't trust Donald Trump with nuclear weapons. He may
just wake up one day and decided to start blowing
up the world. I guess Democrats think, all right, well
we got to go back to that. It worked last time,
we might as well do it again this time. Listen
to George Stephanopol. Listen his own words.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
It's going to be uncontrolled.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
One of the things that I point out, and others
pointed out as well. But I pointed out in my
chapter on President Trump is the most damning testimony of
his confidence and character comes from those who had the
most senior level positions in the White House situation where
he was supered under them. From James Mattis, Defense Secretary,
From John Bolton, his National Security advisor, From John Kelly,
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his White House chief of staff, who all talk about
how frightened they are by the prospect that he would
become president again, apparently with no guardrails, without the kind
of people who are serving him in the first term.
Instead of having guardrails, it appears that he's going to
have a bunch of enablers like those who see you
sitting with him in the courtroom over the last several days,
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and something that is chilling to many of those who
served in the situation room and during the first administration
but are no longer supporting President Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I love, by the way, how the left they do this.
They start bringing up all these guys like John Kelly.
They hated John Kelly, by the way, they hate John Bolton, right,
these people that they bring up now acting like they're
great statesman and James Mattis. These guys were the biggest
scumbags in the world when they were working for Trump
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in the eyes of the media, and now they're like, oh,
well there's some sort of great heroes here. These are
patriots and Donald Trump's not going to have them around him.
Do you remember how much they ripped on Donald Trump
and his National Security Advisor John Bolton? Do you remember
that they're like, oh, he's a racist, is a bigot
his NFO.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, Now they're like, oh, he's a great patriot because
he's speaking out against Trump. Let me also play for
you something that I think is interesting. And Jonathan you
was on Fox News. He's a law professor, and he
was talking about the Trump trial in general, and Michael
Cohen being there and saying, you know, Mike Cohen confirms
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he threatened to sue companies on behalf of Trump. Remember
he was the man, right, He was a big man
with a big stick, who now is making money off
of attacking his former client. Actually not making money, making
a living off of being a Trump hater. He's a
guy that's also been convicted of line. So if you
want to know if you should trust this guy, look
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at his rap sheet. But listen to what he has
to say a out this trial. It's very interesting perspective Nation.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
It's good to have you, John. I want you to
listen to President Trump. This is right before court today
declaring his innocence.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
There's a political witches and nobody's ever seen anything like that.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
I tell you what the Abello Division on the judges.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You step in because this judge is getting away with
this racial including the.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Fact that we have thousands of people, we have one
hundred thousands of people in the jujus they would like
to show their support.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
John.
Speaker 12 (20:31):
Is it possible that the appellate division would step in here?
I mean that seems highly unusual, but it's not totally
out of the question, is it, Teane.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I think it's unlikely.
Speaker 13 (20:39):
I think what the Court's going to do is let
Judge Merchon finish out the trial, get to a verdict,
and then hear all the legal issues at the same time.
And part of that is because this case is so
riddled with mistakes and problems that the appellate Court would
have to pingpong this quick case back and forth with
this trial judge repeatedly if it was going to try
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to fix all the errors. As I went on.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Part of that is the trial judges.
Speaker 13 (21:04):
I think strategy here is just to steamroll through all
the problems, all the ones you've been hearing about on
your panel this morning, with the failure to find any
kind of legal crimes that have been committed, the failure
to connect what happened last week with that explosive Stormy
Daniel's testimony with the actual charges, the problems with ambiguity
of the indictment, not even telling President Trump what the
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real crimes are. So I think this is going to
have to wait for a pellet review before it could
be fixed. Maybe Judge Child will come to a census
and it quit Trump before they even have to add on.
Speaker 12 (21:36):
So I know, I know, I just had to ask
in case how the president brings it up. I like
to ask a smart person about it, and that would
be you today.
Speaker 14 (21:42):
Cohen is now describing how they communicated with each other.
He says Trump never had an email address. Cohen says
Trump made comments about people quote getting in trouble or
gone down as a direct result of using emails because
prosecutors can follow the paper trayal So that's Cohen, I's
wrong I thought, as we have seen time and time again,
Jonathan Turlely, jump on back in here, because it seems
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pretty straightforward now, like the trial's been clarified, and it's
been clarified to this point. It's Cohen's word against everybody else.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Do you see it that way?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, well, we've already learned a couple of things.
Speaker 15 (22:22):
One is that a vortex did not open up the
minute Cohen took the oath, and I have the entire
courtroom disappear into another world, so we can check that off.
Because the fact that Cohen is taking yet another oath
itself was quite an attraction. And obviously he's going to
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get queasin arted on cross examination. But it was really
interesting before his testimony to watch this effort to get
in the agreement of the accountant. That was such an
obvious and dishonest move by the prosecutors.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
You have to under whether this judge.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Is having second thoughts about his failure to stop this
case or at least force the prosecution to be clear
about it. There's nothing stopping the prosecutor from calling that accountant,
So the introduction of that agreement was clearly intended to
suggest to the jury they have some smoking gun evidence,
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but because of this agreement they can't present it. That's
entirely untrue, and so the Merchant was right to say,
I'm not going to let you do that. But it
goes to how this is a potent and village of
a case. They're proving stuff that's not an evidence while
leaving suggestions of stuff that is an evidence with the jury.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
So the thing to keep in mind is when.
Speaker 15 (23:49):
The prosecution wraps up its case, the defense will stand
up and make a standard motion for a directed verdict
to say that there's insufficient evidence to support a i'm
in this case. That's an extremely powerful argument because you've
seen we're still debating what that crime is. Even on
this network, you have people disagreeing as to what the
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theory of this case is, and the prosecution is about
to wrap. Now what the prosecution is worried about is
that even Judge Merchant may just say, you know what,
I gave you a shot and you didn't sink it,
and so I'm going to direct this verdict.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I'm going to issue an acquittal.
Speaker 15 (24:28):
The way they're going to get around that is to
just get Cohen to say this happened, that he intentionally
wanted me to put out and wanted this to be
a legal expense. He intentionally was committing fraud. He was
trying to conceal campaign violations, even though very few people
on Earth would believe Michael Cohen.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The prosecutors will then.
Speaker 15 (24:48):
Argue to the judge, that is a credibility question, judge,
and you need to let this go to the jury.
Whether you believe him or not, that is a fat
question for the jury. That is their entire strategy. And
so as unbelievable as Cohen may be, I don't think
the prosecutors think he will be believable.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
They just want him to check a bog.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now, if you just listen to what Turley said there,
and you listen to what the other law professor said.
At the very beginning, they're saying, Okay, you've got to
hope right that this jury is smart enough to understand
when they're being misled. You have to hope that this
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jury is going to be honest and isn't a jury
stacked with Trump haters. Remember, they picked Manhattan on purpose,
and they picked Manhattan on purpose because they knew that
ninety percent of the people they're voted against Donald Trump.
So they thought, I think it would be easy, right,
It would be really easy for them to be able to,
you know, find a bunch of people. They're like, yeah,
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let's put Donald Trump in jail. And if we can't
do that, at least let's find him, you know, find
him guilty of of committing a crime. So then the
Democrats can run against him and say, see, he's a criminal,
because the appeal wouldn't happen and the case will be
overturned on appeal. I have no doubt about it in
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a higher court. Every legal scholar has said that, on
the left and the right, and they want to be
able to.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Use this to run against him for the election.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And plus, now he's in court being mandate to stay
in New York in this court.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now it's been.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Five weeks, So for five weeks, Donald Trump has not
been on the road campaigning. And that's the most valuable
thing to the Biden campaign. This is basically a massive
in kind contribution to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for
president twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Now, there was one.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Other question that was asked of Jonathan Turley, and I
want you to listen to this because I think He
brings up a great point about this judge possibly having
second thoughts.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
You're arguing that the judges having second thoughts about previous
decisions that have been made in this case. And I
would just add to that, Jonathan, it came from the
bench on Friday afternoon when the judge told the state
to tell Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
To stop talking, And that was after all the tiktoks
came out, all the tweets, etc.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Etc.
Speaker 14 (27:19):
You're making a case now that the judge thinks they
may have gone too far.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
No, I'm not saying that judges having second thoughts. He
might be.
Speaker 15 (27:29):
I can't imagine that any competent lawyer at this point
would not be embarrassed by what has happened in this courtroom.
This is an utter disgrace that this case has gotten
this far, and I would.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Hope that he would have second thoughts.
Speaker 15 (27:44):
But keep in mind when he told when he told
the prosecutors, can you tell Michael Cohen to cut it out?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Stop the antics? Am I going to tell you I
was not.
Speaker 15 (27:53):
One of those complimenting the judge. Why wouldn't you do
that at the beginning of the trial. You were doing
that weekend before he testified. This guy has been out
there with a three ring circus going on, and you
haven't said a thing, and then suddenly said, it'd be
nice if we can go through the weekend without him
trolling for dollars on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Jonathan Turley is absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Don't be impressed by this judge saying that the week
you know, days before he's about to testify. Hey be
impressed right by by by the fact that this judge
is said to knock it off to Michael Cohen, who's
the entire basically case against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He should have done it at the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you've got to understand, this judge is all in
to go down in history as the guy who got
a conviction against Donald Trump and then got to sentence him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That's his motivation here.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Now is he embarrassed by maybe just how bad the
prosecution is done here?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
There is a chance of that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is he embarrassed at the fact that how bad this
case has been this court, his court, he has run
this case there also, I think you could argue was
a chance of that and maybe he realizes, now, hey,
I got to live with this, right, I have to
really live with this the rest of my career, that
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I had this you know what showcase, and I was
interfering with an election, and I was allowing the prosecutor
to politicize my courtroom to a point where I couldn't
even defend it anymore. And their case was so weak,
which again I go back to what I said earlier
about this. This case was so weak that eight years
ago the FED said there is no case here. They
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resurrected it only to go after Donald Trump and to
try to turn him in to some sort of criminal,
so that Joe Biden could barely walk onto a stage,
read a teleprompter and go that guy's a good felling
you don't want to that guy's been convicted, or that
guy's going to jail right like. They needed to give
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him that talking point. And even if it didn't work,
the question is did it Because if your ultimate goal
is to keep Donald Trump out of the White House,
taking him off the campaign trail for five weeks could
turn into six weeks or even longer, we don't know yet.
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But if you can take him off off of the
campaign trail, did you accomplish your ultimate goal, which was
to weaken and not give him the advantage of being
able to travel and campaign for president of the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm going to keep covering this trial.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I can promise you that I'll keep giving you my thoughts,
and we'll give you the best analysis we can from
others they're talking about as well. Make sure you share
the show with your family and your friends, and I'll
see you back here tomorrow.
The court has ruled against Donald Trump. No shocker there
and his gag order appeal. Clearly it is election interference.
The fact that Michael Cohen can make money off of
attacking Donald Trump as the starlying witness of this entire
court case pending on hinging on his testimony, and it
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has been a total you know what show during his
time in front of the court. Now, let's go back
to the gag order that I started with a second ago.
Former President Trump will remain and gag during his criminal
trial in Manhattan. The New York Appeals Court has ruled
Trump can now petition. However, the New York Court of
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Appeals the gag order prevents Trump from making public comments
about witnesses participating in the trial. That obviously means he's
not allowed to talk about Michael Cohen, even though Michael
Cohen is allowed to talk about him, do a podcast,
make money attacking Trump anywhere they'll put him on TV,
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and he's doing it a lot, So.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Also, he is gaged from talking about the council other
than the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, members of the
court's staff, and the District Attorney's staff. Or the family
members of any council or staff member, if those statements
are made with the intent to materially interfere with the
councils or staff's work on the case. It also encompasses
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prospective jurors. The order reads, we find that Justice Merchant
properly waged Petitioners' First Amendment rights against the Court's historical
commitment to ensuring the fair administration of justice in criminal
cases and the right of persons related or tangibly related
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to the criminal proceedings from being free from threats, intimidation, harassment,
and harm. Yet all of those things can happen to
Donald Trump, the former president of the United States of America,
while he's the front runner running for president, and while
everyone else can rip on him, he can't defend himself.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, so they say the judge did it great.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Justice Merchant properly determined the petitioner's public statements pose a significant.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Threat to the integrity.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The order goes on to say of the testimony of
witnesses and potential witnesses in this case as well. Donald
Trump's team argue that the gag order is unconstitutional. You
asked my question, ask me questions I'm not allowed to respond,
is what Trump told reporters Tuesday morning before walking into
the courtroom. Quote, the gag order has to come off,
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had argued in this gag order, saying it is quote unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Earlier in May, New.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
York court judge Merchant ruled for a second time that
Trump violated his gag order during the trial, holding him
in criminal contempt and threatening to jail him for any
further infractions. Merchant find Trump one thousand dollars for a
single violation, previously fined Trump for nine different violations.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Trump's tenth contempt defense.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Occurred before the last order and not afterwards. Trump did
not push the boundaries after the gag order ruling. Apparently
he was looking for the state to step in or
this appeals court, and they did not.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now, obviously he can appeal.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now we'll see what the president decides to do, which
brings me back to this court case. James Carvill. He's
a former Clinton strategist. James Carvill is a guy that
is well known in democratic circles to give brilliant advice to.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Democratic candidates and.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Causes losing his mind now because he says what we
were hoping was going to happen in this court case
is not working. Take a listen to what he had
to say, and then also what tw Shannon had to
say on the Trump hush money trial as well on
Fox Trump's.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Boy ahead than he's ever been more fewer people think
January sixth was of any kind of What it was
was an assault on the temple of democracy to a constitution.
I don't know, whatever you want to say, it's going
the wrong way. It's not working. Everything that we're throwing
(06:38):
is spaghetti at a wall, and none of it is
sticking me.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Included are you seeing and believing what you're hearing from
democratic and we.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Know who he is.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
James Carville, analysts, strategists, wear's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Hats right now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He's wearing the hat of saying the quiet part out loud.
I thought the justice system was justice system, but he
says everything that Democrats are throwing at them, well, that's
an admission that this is all part of what some
kind of a game against Trump, and it's not working.
TW Shannon, former Oklahoma House speaker and attorney himself. When
you lose, James Carville and Al Sharpton saying similarly, like
(07:18):
how can democrats talk about January sixth. If all the
protesting is going on and so on and so forth,
we look like what we say we hate.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Or whatever I'm paraphrasing here.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's like animal farm Haris where you know, we've all
become the pigs in this country now the very thing
we say we hate, the Democrats have actually become. I mean, listen,
this is what you've got to believe if you believe
this case. Because the Democrats can't be Donald Trump at
the ballot box. They're trying to beat them in the
jury box. But the truth is, this case is built
on two things. It's built on a liar, a professional liar,
and a whore. And I use that as a biblical
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term because she's accepted money for sex. But you've got
the liar now who's actually horing himself out selling merch
and propaganda the trial.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
And you've got the whore who's actually become the liar.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I mean, this whole case in and of itself flies
in the face of our very democracy, our republic, our
founding fathers are turning over because at the end of
the day, what you've got to believe, if you believe
the case of Alvin Brad's is that Donald Trump should
have used campaign funds in order to obtain this agreement
that he had with Stormy Daniels. As part of the
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agreement that they have as a non disclosure. This is
not a campaign expense. Cohen even admitted it. Yes, Yes,
So the fact that this case has fallen apart, we
see it happening before our very eyes. And I'm so
glad we've got the Speaker of the House and others
there because this is a constitutional crisis that we're facing,
and these people have taken an oath of office. They
should be there in support of our president. Anybody should
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who cares about this country in the constitution.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And by the way, he did admit to that yesterday.
He admitted he paid for it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He admitted that he did this the way that Donald
Trump said it was done, and that he's also a
serial liar.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
In Michael Cohen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And yet the entire case hinges on his testimony. Many politicians,
by the way, on the Republican side are now stepping
up and showing a very focused support strategy for Donald Trump.
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson saying this earlier today
(09:21):
about the entire case.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
President Trump is a friend, and I wanted to be
here to support him. I'm here speaking with you outside
because the court won't allow us to speak inside the building.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
That's just one of the many things that are wrong here.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
This is the fifth week that President Trump has been
in court for this sham of a trial. They are
doing this intentionally to keep him here and keep him
off of the campaign trail. I think everybody in the
country can see that for what it is. I'm an attorney,
I'm a former litigator myself.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
I am disgusted by what is happening here.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
What is being done here to our entire system of
justice overall. The people are losing faith right now in
this country, in our institutions. They're losing faith in our
system of justice. And the reason for that is because
they see it being abused as it is being done.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Here in New York. The facts here are very important.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Facts are always important in a trial, or at least
they're supposed to be. The President's actions in this matter
were previously reviewed and no charges were filed. Why is
that because there's no crime here. Now eight years later,
suddenly they've resurrected this thing. They brought it back, And
why is that we'll just apply common sense. Everyone can see.
(10:37):
It's painfully obvious that we are now six months out
from an election day, and that's the reason, that is
the reason why they brought these charges here and across
the country.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Eight years later, they brought it back.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Speaker Johnson absolutely rat right where he said, the facts
are very important. The facts are important in this trial,
at least they were supposed to be. And this is
a witch hunt. There was no crime, right, that's what
he said. The President's actions in this matter were previously
reviewed by the DOJ and no charges were filed. Why
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is that because there was no crime here? Now eight
years later, suddenly they resurrect this saying they brought it back.
And why well, because it's six months out from an election,
and that's the reason. That's the reason why they brought
these charges here and across the country to try to
have real interference in this election.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Which brings me to Alan Dersowitz.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Alan Dershowitz went on Newsmax and he said this about
the Democrats and what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
Purpose of this trial is threefold. Number one, to convict
him down and dirty before the election. Although we'll get
reversed after the election. Number two, to have a gag
order on him, and number three to keep him locked
up in the courtroom so he can't That's a campaign
and those goals may very well be accomplished. This is
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election interference at its most obvious. And every American, no
matter whether you're for Trump or against them, I'm not
you know, I voted for Biden. Whatever your political affiliation is,
I'm a Democrat. You should be equally concerned about how
this legal system is being weaponized and abused for partisan purposes.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Alan Dirtzewitz, by the way, is no massive Trump fan.
To be clear, this is a guy that's been more liberal.
He's a guy that is a Harvard law professor.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But he is right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The three reasons convict him down and dirty before the
election is to say, look, he's a convicted guy. Right,
This guy's a criminal. Donald Trump's a criminal. You don't
want a criminal, believe the president of the United States
of America.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Never.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
By the way, don't let's not talk about comparing contrast
with the Biden crime family and what they've gotten away with.
But he's right that that's number one. Number two, he's
right to have a gaggard on him. So he can't
defend himself against the attacks from Michael Cohen or anyone
else in the left that is involved in this trial,
which is also again disgusting. And as he said number three,
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which I actually think is the Democrat's most important reason
for doing this, and the timing of it, is to
keep Donald Trump locked up in the courtroom so he
can't go out on the campaign trail, and those goals
may very well be accomplished here. He said, this is
election interference, and it's most obvious in every American, no
matter whether you're for Trump or against him, you should
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be able to see it. And I agree with him,
by the way, this is something that everyone should be
able to see.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I'm glad that Republicans are coming to his aid. I
think this is a smart response. If you can't be
out there campaigning, then at least have people that are
out there at campaigning on your behalf, making statement on
your behalf, have a united front here to talk about
just how egregious all of this is.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Having the Speaker of the House.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Go to New York to this court to do this
press conference and to answer these questions and to bring
up these different things that he just did. Is exactly
what the conservative movement should be doing for Donald J.
Trump because he cannot campaign right now. And everybody knows it,
like every like, the Democrats know it, the media know it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They all know it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Byron Donald's said this outside the courthouse as well as
he was sitting there with Vivik Garramswami and others.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
Listen, ladies and gentlemen of America. This this trial is
a joke. This thing is a farce. We were in
there all morning. Michael Cowen basically sat there and said, yeah,
he did voids legal expenses. The Trump campaign, the Trump organization,
not the campaign, paid out money in legal expenses. Where's
the crime. There is no crime. The crime that's happening
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here is this Democrat judge and the Democrat Party prosecuting
their political rival right in the middle of a presidential election.
The crime here is that the issues facing our nation
are not being addressed by the Democrats, but they want
to go after Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
And there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
There's nothing that has been wrong here, nothing that has
been done poorly by President Trump. The only thing that's
being done wrong is by this judge. His daughter's making
money raising money for Democrats, and all of the fundraising
emails and all the fundraising things are about this trial
that his daughter is using. He will recuse himself. This
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is a travesty of justice, This is a misuse of
the justice system. And look around New York. New York's
got plenty of issues. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. You
have all of NYPD's finance down here because of this
travesty going on in that courtroom. Meanwhile, the citizens of
New York are less safe, and the district attorney in
New York is not prosecuting real crime.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
He's a sorrow's.
Speaker 10 (16:01):
Back da going after his chief political rival in Donald Trump.
America is better than this, and so unfortunately it's going
to take the American people this November to let their
voices be heard on this travesty of justice that's occurring
and making sure that Donald Trump is the forty seventh
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Byron Donald's, I think brings up some really good points here.
And look, the media is filling this as well. George Stepanopolis,
former Press Secretary, White House Press Secretary, Bill Clinton, a
guy that you now know on NBC News or is
it CBS. I can't even remember because I never watched
it anymore, but he hosts that, you know, Good Morning America,
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whatever it is, and he was on MSNBC and one
of the things that he said on MSNBC is that
if Trump wins, the situation room quote unquote will be uncontrolled.
This is exactly what the media and the left said
last time. Trump was going to if he became president
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in sixteen, Right, Oh, he's going to take us into
World War three?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Did he put us in any wars? No, he didn't.
He did not put us in any wars.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
He can't be trusted with the nuclear codes.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What are the checks and balances that the president decides to,
you know, shoot a nuclear weapon in another country? Is
are people in place to stop him?
Speaker 10 (17:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Those are the That was the media coverage.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You can't trust Donald Trump with nuclear weapons. He may
just wake up one day and decided to start blowing
up the world. I guess Democrats think, all right, well
we got to go back to that. It worked last time,
we might as well do it again this time. Listen
to George Stephanopol. Listen his own words.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
It's going to be uncontrolled.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
One of the things that I point out, and others
pointed out as well. But I pointed out in my
chapter on President Trump is the most damning testimony of
his confidence and character comes from those who had the
most senior level positions in the White House situation where
he was supered under them. From James Mattis, Defense Secretary,
From John Bolton, his National Security advisor, From John Kelly,
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his White House chief of staff, who all talk about
how frightened they are by the prospect that he would
become president again, apparently with no guardrails, without the kind
of people who are serving him in the first term.
Instead of having guardrails, it appears that he's going to
have a bunch of enablers like those who see you
sitting with him in the courtroom over the last several days,
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and something that is chilling to many of those who
served in the situation room and during the first administration
but are no longer supporting President Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I love, by the way, how the left they do this.
They start bringing up all these guys like John Kelly.
They hated John Kelly, by the way, they hate John Bolton, right,
these people that they bring up now acting like they're
great statesman and James Mattis. These guys were the biggest
scumbags in the world when they were working for Trump
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in the eyes of the media, and now they're like, oh,
well there's some sort of great heroes here. These are
patriots and Donald Trump's not going to have them around him.
Do you remember how much they ripped on Donald Trump
and his National Security Advisor John Bolton? Do you remember
that they're like, oh, he's a racist, is a bigot
his NFO.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, Now they're like, oh, he's a great patriot because
he's speaking out against Trump. Let me also play for
you something that I think is interesting. And Jonathan you
was on Fox News. He's a law professor, and he
was talking about the Trump trial in general, and Michael
Cohen being there and saying, you know, Mike Cohen confirms
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he threatened to sue companies on behalf of Trump. Remember
he was the man, right, He was a big man
with a big stick, who now is making money off
of attacking his former client. Actually not making money, making
a living off of being a Trump hater. He's a
guy that's also been convicted of line. So if you
want to know if you should trust this guy, look
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at his rap sheet. But listen to what he has
to say a out this trial. It's very interesting perspective Nation.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
It's good to have you, John. I want you to
listen to President Trump. This is right before court today
declaring his innocence.
Speaker 11 (20:10):
There's a political witches and nobody's ever seen anything like that.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
I tell you what the Abello Division on the judges.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
You step in because this judge is getting away with
this racial including the.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Fact that we have thousands of people, we have one
hundred thousands of people in the jujus they would like
to show their support.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
John.
Speaker 12 (20:31):
Is it possible that the appellate division would step in here?
I mean that seems highly unusual, but it's not totally
out of the question, is it, Teane.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
I think it's unlikely.
Speaker 13 (20:39):
I think what the Court's going to do is let
Judge Merchon finish out the trial, get to a verdict,
and then hear all the legal issues at the same time.
And part of that is because this case is so
riddled with mistakes and problems that the appellate Court would
have to pingpong this quick case back and forth with
this trial judge repeatedly if it was going to try
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to fix all the errors. As I went on.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Part of that is the trial judges.
Speaker 13 (21:04):
I think strategy here is just to steamroll through all
the problems, all the ones you've been hearing about on
your panel this morning, with the failure to find any
kind of legal crimes that have been committed, the failure
to connect what happened last week with that explosive Stormy
Daniel's testimony with the actual charges, the problems with ambiguity
of the indictment, not even telling President Trump what the
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real crimes are. So I think this is going to
have to wait for a pellet review before it could
be fixed. Maybe Judge Child will come to a census
and it quit Trump before they even have to add on.
Speaker 12 (21:36):
So I know, I know, I just had to ask
in case how the president brings it up. I like
to ask a smart person about it, and that would
be you today.
Speaker 14 (21:42):
Cohen is now describing how they communicated with each other.
He says Trump never had an email address. Cohen says
Trump made comments about people quote getting in trouble or
gone down as a direct result of using emails because
prosecutors can follow the paper trayal So that's Cohen, I's
wrong I thought, as we have seen time and time again,
Jonathan Turlely, jump on back in here, because it seems
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pretty straightforward now, like the trial's been clarified, and it's
been clarified to this point. It's Cohen's word against everybody else.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Do you see it that way?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, well, we've already learned a couple of things.
Speaker 15 (22:22):
One is that a vortex did not open up the
minute Cohen took the oath, and I have the entire
courtroom disappear into another world, so we can check that off.
Because the fact that Cohen is taking yet another oath
itself was quite an attraction. And obviously he's going to
(22:42):
get queasin arted on cross examination. But it was really
interesting before his testimony to watch this effort to get
in the agreement of the accountant. That was such an
obvious and dishonest move by the prosecutors.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
You have to under whether this judge.
Speaker 15 (23:01):
Is having second thoughts about his failure to stop this
case or at least force the prosecution to be clear
about it. There's nothing stopping the prosecutor from calling that accountant,
So the introduction of that agreement was clearly intended to
suggest to the jury they have some smoking gun evidence,
(23:24):
but because of this agreement they can't present it. That's
entirely untrue, and so the Merchant was right to say,
I'm not going to let you do that. But it
goes to how this is a potent and village of
a case. They're proving stuff that's not an evidence while
leaving suggestions of stuff that is an evidence with the jury.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
So the thing to keep in mind is when.
Speaker 15 (23:49):
The prosecution wraps up its case, the defense will stand
up and make a standard motion for a directed verdict
to say that there's insufficient evidence to support a i'm
in this case. That's an extremely powerful argument because you've
seen we're still debating what that crime is. Even on
this network, you have people disagreeing as to what the
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theory of this case is, and the prosecution is about
to wrap. Now what the prosecution is worried about is
that even Judge Merchant may just say, you know what,
I gave you a shot and you didn't sink it,
and so I'm going to direct this verdict.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I'm going to issue an acquittal.
Speaker 15 (24:28):
The way they're going to get around that is to
just get Cohen to say this happened, that he intentionally
wanted me to put out and wanted this to be
a legal expense. He intentionally was committing fraud. He was
trying to conceal campaign violations, even though very few people
on Earth would believe Michael Cohen.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The prosecutors will then.
Speaker 15 (24:48):
Argue to the judge, that is a credibility question, judge,
and you need to let this go to the jury.
Whether you believe him or not, that is a fat
question for the jury. That is their entire strategy. And
so as unbelievable as Cohen may be, I don't think
the prosecutors think he will be believable.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
They just want him to check a bog.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Now, if you just listen to what Turley said there,
and you listen to what the other law professor said.
At the very beginning, they're saying, Okay, you've got to
hope right that this jury is smart enough to understand
when they're being misled. You have to hope that this
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jury is going to be honest and isn't a jury
stacked with Trump haters. Remember, they picked Manhattan on purpose,
and they picked Manhattan on purpose because they knew that
ninety percent of the people they're voted against Donald Trump.
So they thought, I think it would be easy, right,
It would be really easy for them to be able to,
you know, find a bunch of people. They're like, yeah,
(25:53):
let's put Donald Trump in jail. And if we can't
do that, at least let's find him, you know, find
him guilty of of committing a crime. So then the
Democrats can run against him and say, see, he's a criminal,
because the appeal wouldn't happen and the case will be
overturned on appeal. I have no doubt about it in
(26:14):
a higher court. Every legal scholar has said that, on
the left and the right, and they want to be
able to.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Use this to run against him for the election.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
And plus, now he's in court being mandate to stay
in New York in this court.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now it's been.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Five weeks, So for five weeks, Donald Trump has not
been on the road campaigning. And that's the most valuable
thing to the Biden campaign. This is basically a massive
in kind contribution to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for
president twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Now, there was one.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Other question that was asked of Jonathan Turley, and I
want you to listen to this because I think He
brings up a great point about this judge possibly having
second thoughts.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
You're arguing that the judges having second thoughts about previous
decisions that have been made in this case. And I
would just add to that, Jonathan, it came from the
bench on Friday afternoon when the judge told the state
to tell Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
To stop talking, And that was after all the tiktoks
came out, all the tweets, etc.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Etc.
Speaker 14 (27:19):
You're making a case now that the judge thinks they
may have gone too far.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
No, I'm not saying that judges having second thoughts. He
might be.
Speaker 15 (27:29):
I can't imagine that any competent lawyer at this point
would not be embarrassed by what has happened in this courtroom.
This is an utter disgrace that this case has gotten
this far, and I would.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Hope that he would have second thoughts.
Speaker 15 (27:44):
But keep in mind when he told when he told
the prosecutors, can you tell Michael Cohen to cut it out?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Stop the antics? Am I going to tell you I
was not.
Speaker 15 (27:53):
One of those complimenting the judge. Why wouldn't you do
that at the beginning of the trial. You were doing
that weekend before he testified. This guy has been out
there with a three ring circus going on, and you
haven't said a thing, and then suddenly said, it'd be
nice if we can go through the weekend without him
trolling for dollars on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Jonathan Turley is absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Don't be impressed by this judge saying that the week
you know, days before he's about to testify. Hey be
impressed right by by by the fact that this judge
is said to knock it off to Michael Cohen, who's
the entire basically case against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He should have done it at the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you've got to understand, this judge is all in
to go down in history as the guy who got
a conviction against Donald Trump and then got to sentence him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That's his motivation here.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Now is he embarrassed by maybe just how bad the
prosecution is done here?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
There is a chance of that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is he embarrassed at the fact that how bad this
case has been this court, his court, he has run
this case there also, I think you could argue was
a chance of that and maybe he realizes, now, hey,
I got to live with this, right, I have to
really live with this the rest of my career, that
(29:23):
I had this you know what showcase, and I was
interfering with an election, and I was allowing the prosecutor
to politicize my courtroom to a point where I couldn't
even defend it anymore. And their case was so weak,
which again I go back to what I said earlier
about this. This case was so weak that eight years
ago the FED said there is no case here. They
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resurrected it only to go after Donald Trump and to
try to turn him in to some sort of criminal,
so that Joe Biden could barely walk onto a stage,
read a teleprompter and go that guy's a good felling
you don't want to that guy's been convicted, or that
guy's going to jail right like. They needed to give
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him that talking point. And even if it didn't work,
the question is did it Because if your ultimate goal
is to keep Donald Trump out of the White House,
taking him off the campaign trail for five weeks could
turn into six weeks or even longer, we don't know yet.
(30:28):
But if you can take him off off of the
campaign trail, did you accomplish your ultimate goal, which was
to weaken and not give him the advantage of being
able to travel and campaign for president of the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm going to keep covering this trial.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I can promise you that I'll keep giving you my thoughts,
and we'll give you the best analysis we can from
others they're talking about as well. Make sure you share
the show with your family and your friends, and I'll
see you back here tomorrow.
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