October 17, 2025 • 36 mins
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The Book and Its Premise (Order Eric's new Book HERE!)
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Under Siege is presented as Eric Trump’s account of what is “the greatest governmental corruption this nation has ever seen.”
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Trump and is family were victims of political persecution, media bias, and systemic weaponization of institutions.
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Claims of Government “Weaponization”
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Eric Trump accuses the DOJ, FBI, and state-level prosecutors (Letitia James, Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith, etc.) of targeting his family for political reasons.
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He recounts the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago as an overreach and describes it as “staged” and politically motivated.
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Mentions being “the most subpoenaed man in history,” claiming to have received over 100 subpoenas.
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Debanking and Corporate Retaliation
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Eric Trump says that hundreds of bank accounts belonging to Trump businesses and affiliates were closed due to political pressure.
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Specific banks named: Capital One, JP Morgan, Bank of America, First Republic.
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He frames this as an example of private-sector “weaponization” against conservatives.
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Financial and Legal Struggles
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The family spent around $400 million defending themselves from investigations and lawsuits.
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Describes how banks, courts, and insurance companies were allegedly pressured to avoid doing business with the Trump Organization.
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Personal Reflections and Family Dynamics
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Speaks warmly of his father as a calm, strong leader under pressure and a strict but loving parent.
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Emphasizes a childhood of discipline, work ethic, and learning through labor rather than wealth.
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Contrasts the Trump family’s “moral integrity” with Hunter Biden’s alleged misconduct.
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Political and Cultural Commentary
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Denounces DEI initiatives, “wokeness,” and progressive policies as threats to American values.
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Frames the Trump family’s experience as symbolic of a broader national struggle between conservatives and “corrupt elites.”
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Presents cryptocurrency as a form of financial freedom against institutional control.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Today's show is going to be really cool. Eric Trump
has a new book out talking about the weaponization of
the private sector against his father, the government, the federal
government against his father, and state governments that attacked his family.
He was subpoenaed countless times, and you'll be shocked to
hear him talk about how much money it costs to
(00:22):
defend themselves from these frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits. Senator Cruz
and I had the privilege of sitting down with Eric
to talk about his new book, and I want you
to hear what he had to say.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know, Ben, I got to say, we try to
count on being honest and candid with our viewers and listeners,
and yet you just claim that we're going to take
a break from politics, and this is about as far
away from taking a break from politics as I can
possibly imagine. Today, we are very pleased to welcome our
friend Eric Trump, President Donald Trump's son, who has a
(00:57):
brand new book. A brand new book came out this week.
The bookook is entitled Under Siege, My Family's Fight to
Save Our Nation. He is in the midst of his
nationwide book tour right now, and and in classic Trump fashion,
he's on the list, and there's only one place to
be on the list, and that is at number one.
It's the number one best selling book in America right now. Uh,
(01:18):
and Eric, this is your first book. It ain't bad
debuting at number one. Congratulations and welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Mister senator.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Now it will probably be my last book as well,
because we're not I'm not doing this again. You know,
the return, the return on time of books is especially
when you put your heart and soul into it. But yeah,
we're number one on Amazon, We're number one on all
the lists, and it's I mean, it just went viral.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I think. You know, people in this country are pissed off.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And and mister Centaer, you you've done a better job
fighting against a weaponization of government that I would say
just about anybody other than maybe Donald Trump, right, who's
had to face all of this. And you know, I
became the pinata in this whole fight because I was
the one guy who didn't have constitutional protections. I was
a civilian, you know, I was the guy that was
running the Trump organization. I was the guy that ran
everything that was outside of Washington, DC from my father
(02:00):
when he went into the White House and what they
tried to do to us, what they tried to do
to our family, what they tried to do to this nation,
what they tried to do to you and all your
viewers on this show is unthinkable, and somebody had to
materialize it because there's the greatest governmental corruption this nation
has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, you're right, and they launched everything they had at
your father, at your family, four separate indictments. On top
of that, the asinine case from the New York Attorney
General trying to argue that somehow global international banks are
innocent wifes who are deceived and are apparently are unable
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to value real estate because you know, giant banks have
never had to value real estate in the past. I
will confess, for me, maybe the most absurd moment of
all of it was when the idiot judge in New
York valued bar a Lago at eighteen million dollars, which
I'll confess I saw it.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I would have bought it for that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I saw your dad not shortly after that, and I
offered it on the spot. I said, mister President, I'll
give you twenty million right now. Well they too, I mean,
as you as you know, you can't buy a hot
dog stand in Palm Beach for eighteen million dollars, and
and that notion that, to me, it was the most ludicrous.
It was a relatively small detail of what was a
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pile of idiocy upon idiocy. But you guys were the
targets of it, and and it it cannot have been fun.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Mister Center.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I became the most opeenid man in American history for
doing absolutely nothing wrong. I'm not Hunter Biden. I never
had a speeding ticket in my life. I've lived a
very straight, very good life, hard working guy, no games,
never even approached a line, you know, raised right, you know,
And and they tried to destroy us. I was the
one that was getting calls from the FBI. You remember
the Rushia hoos very well because you were probably the
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best person at fighting against it. Eric, I hear you
have secret servers in the basement of Trump were communicating
directly with the Kremlin. I go, excuse me, I literally started,
mister Center. I started laughing. I started laughing. I go,
First of all, you don't keep servers in basements because
basement's flood. Second of all, were like largely cloud based,
and they did it so a greedy woman could get
about three extra votes, right, and they used that as
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their explanation as to why she lost.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And then it was.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Impeachment number one, and then it was impeachment number two,
and then it was them attacking Cavanaugh. And then it
was one hundred and twelve subpoenas that I received for
again doing nothing wrong. And then it was a weaponization
of every attorney general and district attorney in this country,
whether it be Latitia James or Alvin Bragg or Cy
Vance or Fanny Willis and her boyfriend in Fulton, Georgia,
you know, or Jack Smith or Comy and everything that
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they did. Then they spied on her campaign. Then they
did the weaponization of Faiza. Then they took my father
off the ballot in Colorado, and then they took him
off the ballot in Maine. And when that didn't work,
they tried to silence his voice and get rid of
his First Amendment, right, So what did they do? Took
him off of YouTube, took him off of Twitter, took
him off of Facebook, took him off of in inst
And when that didn't work, when we popped up truth social,
(05:02):
what did they do? They had every judge imposed gag orders.
On him, and then they raided mar A Lago. I
was the guy that got the call when thirty FBI
agents were outside screaming in a phone to me turn
off the security cameras at at mar A Lago. They
did everything they could, and then they de banked us,
and then they deplatformed us. They tried to bankrupt us,
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they tried to imprison us. And I'll never forget walking
out of that jail cell with my father in New
York after the thirty four felony accounts right which have
all been overturned, and I said, Dad, we either win
the White House or you and I are in jail
for doing absolutely nothing wrong. That's how diabolical the pendulum was.
And they were doing it to the people in this
country as well. They were debanking them. They were going
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after their pastors, they were going after their churches. They
were weaponizing the irs. You know, they were skipping great
people who had worked their butts off their entire year
because of DEI hires and literally rooting upward mobility of
people across the country. They were corrupting their children. They
were teaching them revisionist history. This siege wasn't just against
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the Trump family. It was against all of us, it
was against both of you. It was against every person
that's watching us right now. And people are pissed off
in this country, and that's why this book went to
number one.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You mentioned mar Lago a second ago and getting that
phone call. Can you just explain how insane that day
must have been because I know people we saw it
on TV, but you were on the inside. And when
you're getting a phone called, they're telling you to turn
your cameras off.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So like, what time of day is it, what are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It was about seven fifty eight o'clock in the morning
when I got a call from my team. They say,
the thirty FBI agents and they have a search warrant.
I go, what are they searching? I'm not sure if
I understand, Like we have like such a great relationship
with law enforcement. It was bizarre at the time. I go,
how would I not know about this? From Secret Service?
How would I not know? I mean, they didn't give
anybody warning. And I'll never forget, I said. I finally
figured out what they were doing. And I said, did
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anybody let my father know? And it was my team,
really and they said no, And I go we'll call
him right now, and we met in his office and
that's when he wrote up that beautiful tweet, as you remember.
And the FBI was so damn pissed that we sent
out that tweet. They wanted to have the narrative, they
wanted to be able to release a story, and instead
my father writes that beautiful tweet. You know, right now,
the FBI is raiding the famous mar A Lago my home,
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you know, and the world went crazy. The world couldn't
stand it. It was the worst decision that they ever made.
And remember, Senator, they said it was on behalf of
Nara right National Archives. Does anybody I went on Hannity
that night, I go, does anybody actually believe a glorified
library sent thirty FBI agents to invade Mara A Lago
with with firearms?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Give me a break, right?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And then sure enough it comes out there was Joe Biden,
and it was Merrick Garland, and it was the whole
host of criminals that weaponized the entire system. But I'll
never forget that call. Thirty FBI agents outside of mar
A Lago. They searched Milania's room, they searched Baron's room,
They took attorney client privileged documents. They took hippa documents.
You can't make it up.
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So everyone listening, I hope you'll buy the book just
so we can screw with them a little bit. Center
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to get there.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, I will say, Eric, you should brace yourself. It
doesn't matter how many copies of the book you sell.
The New York Times is going to insist that that
like left Handed Transgender Witches is the number one book
in America, and to be fair, in the New York
Times newsroom, it probably is the number one book in America.
But if you get outside the New York Times and
to the rest of America, there are a lot of
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people right now that are going to Amazon. Go to
Amazon right now by Eric truck Trump's book, keep it
at number one, Annoy a liberal by two, buy one
for yourself, and buy one to give a liberal just
to drive them crazy, and and and to say, explain
to me again how you think weaponization is a bad thing.
Because because your your liberal friends, to the extent you
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have any that they haven't defriended you, they're not going
to have an answer to that. Eric, tell me, what
was your dad's reaction when you went in and and
told them, okay, the FBI agents are here. I assume
he was pissed, but like, what was his immediate reaction
when you tell him that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was actually remarkably calm.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know, it's it's you know, I've seen my father
pissed many times, but he doesn't get pissed off in
situations of kind of like great anguish and stress. Right,
it's no different than Butler, but you know, almost foreshadow
Butler is the same thing. It's it's I probably would
have been pissed in Butler, and I think he was
actually remarkably calm, especially in the aftermath of what happened.
And you know he was always his commist in the
worst moments, always, I mean and center. You saw many
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of them. I mean you were there for many of
them in so many different ways. You know, he never
let emotion fly. It was it was a very he goes,
you gotta be kidding me, all right, honey, meet me
in my office. You know, we're going to write up
a statement. And that's when he let that truth fly.
And you know, the rest is history. I mean, for
the next month, they had helicopters buzzing over mar a
Lago and you know the scenes of that front gate.
You remember this, the cop car from the front gate
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of mar Lago. I mean, mar Lago became, not that
it wasn't probably already, but he became the most famous
property in the world. Based on on that raid and
what they did, and then the aftermath of all of it,
we find out Jack Smith was bringing in classified folders
and effectively staging photo shoots on the office floor of
my father's you know office. But you know, as I
said before, guys, I mean they were going through Malania's closet,
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they were going through Baron's room. They literally they took
his medical records, right like hip a related records.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That pissed off the judge. I can only tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
They took attorney client documents right That also really pissed
off Aileen Cannon, the judge on the case.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You just you couldn't believe it. And then you know, again,
all of this was stage.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You think Donald Trump just leaves classified folders fanned out
perfectly on the floor. I mean, it was all staged.
It was all set up. They wanted to imprison him.
They wanted to take his voice. They wanted to imprison him.
They wanted him behind bars. They didn't want him to
be able to campaign. They wanted to weaponize the system
in any way, shape or form, and they weren't able
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
A lot of people remember the deep platforming, and you
mentioned that earlier, and you go back to the end
of his first term in office. But one of the
things you mentioned earlier on was they tried to ruin
your businesses by d banking, you can you explain for
people that don't understand just how critical that was in
a time and the Trump organization. Mean, you've been handed
the family business to run it, and now you're finding
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out you can't even have banking the way that you
need to have banking to literally run businesses, whether you're
big business or a small business. A lot of people
listening right now. If you don't have a bank, you
don't have a business.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, Ben, it was that times one hundred.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean they they literally it was coordinated by the administration,
There's no question about it. And they called up and
they said, listen, congratulations, you cancel the account. I was
getting these letters. I got one from Capital One. They
had three hundred bank accounts. And these aren't like baby
bank accounts. These are massive commercial buildings that have hundreds
of tenants, you know, thousands of people working in these buildings,
hundreds if not thousands, of vendors, heavy real estate taxes,
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I mean people, hundreds and hundreds of people depend their
livelihoods depend on on these businesses.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
They've got complicated lock.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Box provisions and loan you know, loan documents, thousands of inputs,
coming in like this, you know, and they just called up.
You know, your accounts are going to get closed. You've
got one or two days to move them, and congratulations,
you're done. All because we wore a hat that said
make America great Again.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That was read.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
These were commercial buildings, these were condominium associations, these were
small golf courses, these were you know, residential shops, these
were scrow accounts, things that had nothing to do, nothing
to do with politics whatsoever. And they canceled us like
we were dogs. Capital One was the worst. JP Morgan
was horrible. Bank of America was horrible. First Republic was terrible.
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But it wasn't just the banks. It was platform Shopify.
Shopify literally gave us a notice they do all the
e comm platforms in the middle of the night, turned
off our accounts like we were nothing right. We were
selling golf polos that we have, you know, from mar
A Lago, and they did everything they could to hurt us,
to turn off the rails right again. They wanted our
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voice gone, They wanted us bankrupt, they wanted the name
off of every building. They wanted us thrown out of
New York. You had Letitia James. That was trying to
repossess our assets. I mean, it was almost like forfeiture.
It was not constitutional. Hence the reason the appellate courts
throughout the case five zero and we got a resounding
victory two weeks ago or three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Guys, they tried everything they could.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And because I was the guy outside of Washington, DC,
because I ran the company, it all fell on me.
That's how I became the most subpoened person the history
of this country. Having never done a damn thing wrong.
They wanted to get to my father coming through me.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That Now, were these business accounts, personal accounts both, I mean,
how many accounts are we talking about? Roughly like what.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Five five hundred?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know, lots of those being business accounts, all of
them being us. You know, my wife has a like
athletic clothing line. You know, JP Morgan Chase wouldn't open
up an account, so you know, for her, she's not
Donald Trump, she's not the Trump organization. They did this
to everyone in the family. If you even came close.
You know, if you even came close. I have a
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little farm with a couple buddies. They canceled that account.
Doesn't wear a Trump name. It can't they were indiscriminate
if it was six degrees of sep the narration from Trump,
they canceled us and one guys, you know, I'm an outspoken,
you know, a big fan of of you know, cryptocurrency.
That's how I found crypto because I realized how quickly
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financial institutions can be weaponized against the American people and
realize that there's nothing that can be done on you know,
using traditional financial institutions that can't be done better faster, cheaper, safer,
and more efficiently using cryptocurrency.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I'm I'm the biggest proponent of it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Did did they even even purport to give you any
explanation or do they just say oh, it's canceled like
like that that they didn't Was there any details or
you just get phone calls or get an email and say, okay,
this this account's done.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Other other than a lot of those you know a
lot of the people that worked in the in the
banks who otherwise said this is the most I can't
believe it. I can't believe what my bank's doing. This
is all political, That's what they're saying in the corridors
every day they canceled you for political reasons. There's no
other explanation. They're telling us, you know, they're telling us,
we can't talk to you ever.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I was unbelievable, and I would not wish that on
my worst enemy. To take the race of being able
to pay employees. These are housekeepers, these are janitors, these
are engineers, these are security officers, these are drivers, hospitality workers,
to not be able to pay them a salary, all
because somebody wanted to politicize a system against a candidate,
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because they happened to be a conservative and they believed
in making America great again.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
SATA, this is a story that we're hearing about the
weaponization of the private sector, not the gover, but the
private sector against the Trump organization. The moment that he
just said, five hundred bankcounts just shut down, I'm shocked
by that. I think you were as well.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That number. I'd never heard anything remotely close to that.
I mean, that really is stunning. So you're running your
families outside businesses, you get these calls. What do you
do when you're given what you said twenty four hours
forty eight hours notice, Like, were there banks that were
willing to welcome your business or or what did you
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do with five hundred accounts being canceled.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You had a lot of attorney generals and you had
a lot of government institutions that were going to these
banks saying, don't even think about it, don't touch that account.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Letitia James was doing that to the bonding companies when
we had to after the initial ruling, when we had
to post a six hundred million dollar bond. By the way,
that that was like five times the size of the
Boeing bond that made them, you know that literally, I
it was. It was the biggest bond ever seen in
the country, you know. And she was going to the
very same institutions saying, don't even touch that bond. So
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we had to post a bond based on the court
before we had everything overturned, and she was going to
the biggest assurance company saying, you don't touch that bond.
You know, you're registered in New York and if you
touched that bond, I'm going to think less favorably on you.
That's how badly they weaponize the system. What do you
do when you get those letters? You want to crawl
under your desk, And honestly, I had I had probably
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one hundred people in the company that didn't sleep for
a six month period of time, who were distraught. And
thank god we had enough little local banks. You know
that that you move all the accounts. I'm thinking about
it right to these little local branches who want to
take your money. But these weren't the JP Morgans, these
weren't the Bank of Americas. They were still a little
They were small, little mom and pop regional banks that
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did the right thing and honestly probably saved us based
on the fact that they were willing to do the
right thing. This didn't just happen to us. I was
on the campaign trail, I'd hear from people every single day.
You know, my bank canceled me. Why well, my company
makes the spring, and the spring goes in a fishing reel,
and that fishing reel sold at bass pro shops, and
bass pro shops sells twelve games duck hunting Ammo, and
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they thought the affiliation. I heard this everywhere I went.
I heard it from the crypto guys. I believed in bitcoin,
I believed in stable coin, I believe in the future
of kind of modern finance. And because I believed in
crypto currency, my banks canceled me. Well, COVID canceled me,
Bank of America canceled me. Guys, I heard this all
over the place. You know, we need to make this illegal,
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and it is. It's illegal and a lot of states
and under a lot of banking clauses. But the fact
you can literally I mean, could you imagine if if
AT and T or Rising just decided to cancel all
conservative cell phones?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
If you can't bank, you can't survive. If you can't bank,
you can't eat. If you can't bank, you can't pay employees.
And yet they turned us off like we were dogs.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How much money do you think that Trump?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
When you guys were out during the four years and
under siege like this, how many business deals got blown
up because people were afraid even to just do business
with you, because they're afraid their business would be affected
negatively and they could be targeted. I'm assuming that was
a reality for quite some time.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Well, I talk a lot about it in the book.
I mean the reporters that just made their whole livelihoods.
David Farrenholdt from the Washington Post and others, you know,
made their entire livelihoods calling up you know, vendors of
ours calling up our employees, calling up brides and grooms
that we're gonna get married at one of the properties,
one of the hotels.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And they were harassing people that were getting married at
Trump resorts.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh I have I have more emails than you can
possibly imagine. You know, I hear you're gonna go get
married at at M mar Lago. Oh really, you know
this might have to make the front cover of a
respective paper, you know, can you please give me comment?
And these brides and grooms were saying, I just want
to get married in peace, you know, I just you know,
there's a beautiful property. I'm not a political person. I
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just you know it's it's it's a five star property.
I love the place. It's convenient. My family lives nearby.
Whatever the hell of the reason they were doing that,
They were extorting employees. They were going up to employees,
and they frankly tried to do it to me. Hey,
you tell us anything about Donald Trump, will let you go.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know, all your problems.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
They tried to turn you against your own father.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Alvin Bragg, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The Cyrus Vance, all of them, they they weaponized every
da in and ag to try and flip every single
person to say anything negative, to get any negative testimony
against Donald Trump for their own political purposes. Absolutely, that
was the whole game they played. And no one in
our company broke.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
This was the siege that I dealt with every single day, right,
I mean it was it was all of these factors
that came together, all at once, all the time, doing anything.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They could to to to just chop us off.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
At every single I mean when they made up the
dirty dossier, when they made up right, I mean, they
have stories about prostitution in there, about golden you know
what's right? What do you think they were trying. They
were trying to divorce my father. They were trying to
destroy his marriage. They were trying to break up our family.
That's what they were trying to do. Also, a greedy
woman could get, you know again, two more votes. These
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people are sick, These people are deranged, and there's been
zero accountability for any of it. And as a son
who fought by my father's side every single day during
this battle, somebody had to tell this story. Somebody had
to tell the inside perspective of the lens that a
corrupt government will go to besides just spying on campaigns
and despise just you know, raiding homes, you know, all
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the things that they did to try and destroy us,
to try and destroy make America great again, and try
and construer destroy conservatives all across the country.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Look, it was unmitigated evil and it was driven part
of it was driven by hate. Today, the defining characteristic
I think of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is they hate your father.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, and they hate your family. I mean that anything
connected to your father they hate. And I think it also, though,
was a deep contempt for democracy. I think every one
of these indictments, I think the weaponization that we saw
their underlying terror is that the voters would do what
they did in November of twenty twenty four and vote
to re elect your father. And this was all about
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undermining democracy and preventing the voters from doing that. You know, Eric,
you mentioned earlier that you described yourself as as the
most subpoena man in America. How many subpoenas did you
get and did you testify a lot of times? Were
they demanding documents? What subpoenas were coming?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
In one hundred and twelve subpoenas I sat in more
depositions than any human being in the history of depositions.
And by the way, these are like big boy subpoenas, right,
They're all coming from you, your close friend Elizabeth Warren
as we like to call her Pocahontas, and and many
others we turned over. I mean, they would ask for
document discovery, you know, please give us every email in
the company, and they would list a thousand words. But
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aside from that, they would list national and international. Well,
all our hotels are Trump International Hotel, and all our
golf courses are Trump National Golf Course. You could probably
see where this is going. Every email signature of every
person in the company either has the word national or
international in it. That's their fishing expedition. I actually brought
this to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court specifically
told them you can't fish, right, and they did it.
(24:35):
They did it any way. The judges didn't give a damn.
They wanted to find any comma that was out of place,
and they couldn't. I mean, in the Letitia James trial,
literally Deutsche Bank was on the stand saying that Trump
was the best lender that they've ever had. Right, we
made them, hundreds of millions of dollars paid off, every loan,
paid it off ahead of time, never missed a payment.
Even in the darkest days of COVID when they made
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a shutdown our properties, we never missed, we never faulted,
we never breached a covenant. And then one day I
wake up to the nightmare of your fine six hundred
million dollars for doing nothing wrong with banks that loved us,
that testified that they loved us. I mean it was
you know, and that's because you had a crooked judge. Again,
got overturned five zero at the next court. But they
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rigged out the entire system. And you're seeing them do
that right now, right You're seeing them do that in Washington, DC,
where ninety four percent of the cases that go in
front of the lower Course are are literally you know,
going against the administration and then they all have to
go up on a po and get overturned. But guys,
the beautiful thing about the story is we won, right.
I mean, the media loss, The media lost their credibility.
(25:39):
No one likes the mainstream media. I mean, my wife
is on Fox News on a Saturday and nine pm,
and she's getting four extra ratings of CNN on the
same time slot on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in primetime slots. Right,
no one likes the mainstream media. ABC's dead, NBC's dead,
CNN's dead. An independent voice is like, these podcasts are
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winning the day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And by the way, she she is doing an awesome job.
I had a chance to be on her show, and
she's she's a great interviewer because she's relaxed, she's having fun,
she's asking real questions and and it's night and day. Uh,
you know, I I will occasionally do do CNN. Poor
Ben was on CNN for six seven years. I actually
think he has a padded room and he like like
puts on a straightjacuality, remembers those times.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Fighting comedies for seven years.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Hey listen, I just came off Caitlyn Collins about twenty
minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, So it's not some prayers.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know, it's it's so bad. Let me ask you
when all of this was coming in, And it is
not exaggeration to say there has never been a political
leader subject to more weaponization, more assaults, more insanely unfair
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attacks than that than your father has been. Was there
ever time that that you felt yourself giving in to
despair and and do you think your dad ever did.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah, honestly, it's like we're like masochistic, We like we
like pain or something along those lines. Right, It's like
a weird trade, right, And I think it served us well.
But now I think we were so pissed off at
that point. We wanted to fight, and we wanted to win.
And we want to save the Constitution. We want to
save the American flag. We wanted to save religion in society.
We want to save the you know, Second Amendment. We
want to end end wokeness. We wanted to stop the
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dei nonsense, you know, men my size swimming in women's sport.
We wanted to save the greatest country in the world
against absolute lunacy. And so we never gave up. We
never stopped fighting. We went out there and we punched
back every single day, and we did that as a family.
I never left that stage, And honestly, I've never been
more proud of a human being in my life.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
All Right, So, our guests with us is Eric Trump center.
You and I were just talking with him about this,
really his family being under siege. You talked about these
big boys as part of that is to financially hurt you.
What did you, guys, spend just doing the fighting of
all the lawsuits against you during that four year period.
(28:12):
How much did it cost you?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Roughly four hundred million, guys. I laugh when people, oh,
Trump is profiting off of government. I go, wait, wait,
excuse me. If you want to come in, I'll break
down the finances you want to Trump's profit. We spent
four hundred million dollars to defend ourselves against nonsense, the
fact that we did not have secret servers communicating with
(28:34):
the Kremlin, the fact that Don wasn't a Russian agent.
Remember you had Adam Schiff out there every single day.
Donald Trump Junior is a Russian agent.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
If he wasn't, if he wasn't protected by the speech
and debate laws, you would have, honestly, the guy.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Would have been worth a zero.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
He would have been living in a shoe box based
on the fact that you would have sued him for
slander and taken everything that he ever had. It was
all made up. They did everything they possibly could to
take us down. We spent over four hundred million dollars
between that. You know, Letitia, you know Alvin Braggs side Vance,
you know, if Fanny, I mean, I could.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Go on and on the raids the mara alag What
was the worst to deal with between Alvin braggsie Vance,
Leticia James jack Smith? Who was the worst?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Probably did Letitia if you want to know the truth,
I mean, it was so corrupt and I don't know
Alvin Braggbaus. You had Brshawn, I mean, Judge Barhawn's daughter
is like that, the head digital fundraiser for the Democratic Party,
and the guy wouldn't recuse himself, and literally you'd be
sitting in these courtrooms, guys, and I would not leave
my father's side. I sat next to him every single day.
(29:39):
If he was there, I was going to be there
as a son to support him, you know. And most
of the time some of these cases I wasn't gagged
in so normally I was the guy in the courthouse steps,
you know, shouting and yelling at the cameras as to
what the hell was actually going on, because that's the
only way you could communicate a message. But guys, I mean,
you had liberal and I mean liberal reporters who were
in that courtroom shaking their heads saying none of this
(29:59):
makes it. I mean, they shut down all of Manhattan,
Lower Manhattan for a hundred thousand dollars payment that my
father didn't even make, made by a lawyer. They indicted
him thirty four times. I mean, you know, al Capone
had had one felony indictment. They indicted my father thirty
four times for one hundred thousand dollars payment, by the way,
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by a district attorney who ran on the premise, you know,
of reducing what you know, just decriminalizing just about anything.
You know, you can shoot somebody in the face in
Times Square and it was decriminalized, and you're gonna let
them out, and you know you're gonna have community policing
and all sorts of nonsense. I mean, he ran on
the premise of literally emptying Rikers Island so you had
no criminals in there. Yet you know, thirty four felonies
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in six month period of time is shutting down New
York in the FDR drive every day over one hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean, it wasn't believable.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If if only your father were mugging people in Times Square,
then Alvin Bragg would never have prosecuted him, But instead
he committed the unspeakable sin of not only being president
of the United States, but being an extra ordinarily successful
and bold president of the United States, which which is
an unpardonable sin. All right, we don't have much much
time left, but but I want to take it a
(31:08):
little bit lighter and and ask what was it like?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Your father is is unique. I've never in my life
have I met anyone remotely like your father. He and
I have spent a lot of time together. He has
extraordinary courage. But before he was president, what was it
like growing up as a kid with Donald Trump as
your father? Like, like, like, how what was he like
as a dad when you were ten?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Honestly, the greatest dad you can ever imagine.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Expected big things from us, right, I mean every day
I go give him kiss before I went to school. Honey,
no drink drinking, no drugs, no smoking. You better get
good grades. And by the way, never trust anybody. Right
he did once in a while I had that he
never never trust anyone. Hey, that's probably that was gonna be.
I said, I've probably benefited us pretty well, so amazing guy.
You know, listen, we're spoiled as hell, and that we
lived in you know, Trump Tower. We had beautiful roof overhead.
(31:58):
We were always well fed. We we had the best education.
But we were never handed money. We're never handy cash.
If we wanted something, If I wanted a fishing road, congratulations,
you're working for it. I got on our construction sites
when I was eleven years old, doing demo, doing electrical HVAC,
you know, running back hose excavators. You know, I grew
up working with my hands on our construction sites with
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many of the guys that work for me today. And
you know what, he wanted us to learn a trait.
He wanted us to learn the value of a dollar.
And by the way, he wanted us to be tired
as hell at the end of the day. You know,
because listen, don't give Type A kids or any kid.
But don't give Type A kids money or free time,
because bad things happen. And he was an amazing father.
He is an amazing father. And everything we've ever done
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we fought together, whether it's real estate, whether it was
the Apprentice. I was on that for seven seasons, and
then in politics. I mean, when he decided to run,
he said to us, he goes, you know, kids, let's
do this. You know, I was on Meghan Kelly. I
didn't know what the hell immigration was. I mean, Senator,
this was not my world. I built, you know, hotels,
and all of a sudden, I'm in the middle of box.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I got a wall, and now you're on TV.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I've got ninety illegal immigrants around me and I'm battling
all of them. And I don't know the first damn
thing about illegal immigration, right. I mean, like, this is
not the world that we came from. But my father's
a remarkable guy. My mother was an amazing powerhouse and strict,
demanded manners, demanded respect, demanded work ethic and either the
greatest parents you can ever imagine. I spent a lot
of time in underseage talking about, you know, being raised
(33:22):
by them, and you know, it was unique in so
many ways. But they they did everything they could in
this strange world that we lived in to ground us
and make sure we turned out to be hard workers, normal,
you know, and didn't have any of these kind of
Hunter Biden esque problems. I don't have a laptop from hell,
you know, I don't do finger paintings selling it to
you know, foreign nationals all over the world. You know,
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never married my you know, my brother's ex wife, like,
never did that kind of stuff. No drugs, no, you know,
no perversion. I was always a good kid who believed
in God and believed in hard work and you know,
lived an honest life.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Eric, I can't tell you how many times, dozens, if
not hundreds of times people have conte that one of
the things they admire most about your dad, uh is
is you and your brothers and sisters. And listen, it
is hard for for any successful person to to raise
good kids. It's challenging. There's a lot of pressure and
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and you know, I I know know your entire family,
and I will say literally people early on throughout the process,
they'll comment, well, you know, somehow his kids are like
like not messed up and incredibly successful and put together
and and I mean, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let's let let's say we have some young parents that
are listening to this podcast. Are there any lessons a
young parent by the way, uh, you know Ben Ben
has young kids, I have teenage. Are there any lessons
any lessons from your dad that that young parents should
know or lessons that that you've tried to apply.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, keep them poor and make them start working early. Honestly,
I mean that's what it is. Keep keep them poor,
don't don't give type A kids money and don't give
them endless time. That's just a bad recipe, right, And
you know, I can't tell you, guys how many friends
I had, you know, who were peers who went to
school with me, And you know, three quarters of them
ended up in rehab and and a lot of them
(35:12):
went down bad roads. And guess what they were getting
ferraris you know when they're you know, sixteen years old, Like,
what do you ever want to aspire to to get
if that's if that's how you're being raised. I mean,
does it surprise you that those people don't have work ethic?
Does it surprise you that they would go down bad roads?
And my father would never let that happen to us,
And you know he made us work our butts off.
And believe me, if I wasn't good at what I
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did real estate wise, I would not be in this chair.
I mean, forget about bapotism for a second. It you know,
if we weren't incredibly capable, believe me, I wouldn't be
running one of the largest real estate empires anywhere in
the world. And he made us work, and he made
us prove that we were good at what we do,
and we fought every single day. And we're an incredibly
tight family. And he's a remarkable person. He's my best friend.
I love him to death, and I'm so proud of him,
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especially in a week where he's accomplished as much as
he had. I am so damn pros out of what
he did and what he's accomplished and the hell of
a journey. Guys, It's all worth it. This is all
worth it. The siege is all worth it based on,
you know, the great things that are happening to our country.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And our world.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Don't forget share this podcast please with your family and
your friends wherever they are, and I will see you
back here tomorrow.
Today's show is going to be really cool. Eric Trump
has a new book out talking about the weaponization of
the private sector against his father, the government, the federal
government against his father, and state governments that attacked his family.
He was subpoenaed countless times, and you'll be shocked to
hear him talk about how much money it costs to
(00:22):
defend themselves from these frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits. Senator Cruz
and I had the privilege of sitting down with Eric
to talk about his new book, and I want you
to hear what he had to say.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know, Ben, I got to say, we try to
count on being honest and candid with our viewers and listeners,
and yet you just claim that we're going to take
a break from politics, and this is about as far
away from taking a break from politics as I can
possibly imagine. Today, we are very pleased to welcome our
friend Eric Trump, President Donald Trump's son, who has a
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brand new book. A brand new book came out this week.
The bookook is entitled Under Siege, My Family's Fight to
Save Our Nation. He is in the midst of his
nationwide book tour right now, and and in classic Trump fashion,
he's on the list, and there's only one place to
be on the list, and that is at number one.
It's the number one best selling book in America right now. Uh,
(01:18):
and Eric, this is your first book. It ain't bad
debuting at number one. Congratulations and welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Mister senator.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Now it will probably be my last book as well,
because we're not I'm not doing this again. You know,
the return, the return on time of books is especially
when you put your heart and soul into it. But yeah,
we're number one on Amazon, We're number one on all
the lists, and it's I mean, it just went viral.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I think. You know, people in this country are pissed off.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And and mister Centaer, you you've done a better job
fighting against a weaponization of government that I would say
just about anybody other than maybe Donald Trump, right, who's
had to face all of this. And you know, I
became the pinata in this whole fight because I was
the one guy who didn't have constitutional protections. I was
a civilian, you know, I was the guy that was
running the Trump organization. I was the guy that ran
everything that was outside of Washington, DC from my father
(02:00):
when he went into the White House and what they
tried to do to us, what they tried to do
to our family, what they tried to do to this nation,
what they tried to do to you and all your
viewers on this show is unthinkable, and somebody had to
materialize it because there's the greatest governmental corruption this nation
has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, you're right, and they launched everything they had at
your father, at your family, four separate indictments. On top
of that, the asinine case from the New York Attorney
General trying to argue that somehow global international banks are
innocent wifes who are deceived and are apparently are unable
(02:41):
to value real estate because you know, giant banks have
never had to value real estate in the past. I
will confess, for me, maybe the most absurd moment of
all of it was when the idiot judge in New
York valued bar a Lago at eighteen million dollars, which
I'll confess I saw it.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I would have bought it for that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I saw your dad not shortly after that, and I
offered it on the spot. I said, mister President, I'll
give you twenty million right now. Well they too, I mean,
as you as you know, you can't buy a hot
dog stand in Palm Beach for eighteen million dollars, and
and that notion that, to me, it was the most ludicrous.
It was a relatively small detail of what was a
(03:25):
pile of idiocy upon idiocy. But you guys were the
targets of it, and and it it cannot have been fun.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Mister Center.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I became the most opeenid man in American history for
doing absolutely nothing wrong. I'm not Hunter Biden. I never
had a speeding ticket in my life. I've lived a
very straight, very good life, hard working guy, no games,
never even approached a line, you know, raised right, you know,
And and they tried to destroy us. I was the
one that was getting calls from the FBI. You remember
the Rushia hoos very well because you were probably the
(03:55):
best person at fighting against it. Eric, I hear you
have secret servers in the basement of Trump were communicating
directly with the Kremlin. I go, excuse me, I literally started,
mister Center. I started laughing. I started laughing. I go,
First of all, you don't keep servers in basements because
basement's flood. Second of all, were like largely cloud based,
and they did it so a greedy woman could get
about three extra votes, right, and they used that as
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their explanation as to why she lost.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And then it was.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Impeachment number one, and then it was impeachment number two,
and then it was them attacking Cavanaugh. And then it
was one hundred and twelve subpoenas that I received for
again doing nothing wrong. And then it was a weaponization
of every attorney general and district attorney in this country,
whether it be Latitia James or Alvin Bragg or Cy
Vance or Fanny Willis and her boyfriend in Fulton, Georgia,
you know, or Jack Smith or Comy and everything that
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they did. Then they spied on her campaign. Then they
did the weaponization of Faiza. Then they took my father
off the ballot in Colorado, and then they took him
off the ballot in Maine. And when that didn't work,
they tried to silence his voice and get rid of
his First Amendment, right, So what did they do? Took
him off of YouTube, took him off of Twitter, took
him off of Facebook, took him off of in inst
And when that didn't work, when we popped up truth social,
(05:02):
what did they do? They had every judge imposed gag orders.
On him, and then they raided mar A Lago. I
was the guy that got the call when thirty FBI
agents were outside screaming in a phone to me turn
off the security cameras at at mar A Lago. They
did everything they could, and then they de banked us,
and then they deplatformed us. They tried to bankrupt us,
(05:22):
they tried to imprison us. And I'll never forget walking
out of that jail cell with my father in New
York after the thirty four felony accounts right which have
all been overturned, and I said, Dad, we either win
the White House or you and I are in jail
for doing absolutely nothing wrong. That's how diabolical the pendulum was.
And they were doing it to the people in this
country as well. They were debanking them. They were going
(05:45):
after their pastors, they were going after their churches. They
were weaponizing the irs. You know, they were skipping great
people who had worked their butts off their entire year
because of DEI hires and literally rooting upward mobility of
people across the country. They were corrupting their children. They
were teaching them revisionist history. This siege wasn't just against
(06:05):
the Trump family. It was against all of us, it
was against both of you. It was against every person
that's watching us right now. And people are pissed off
in this country, and that's why this book went to
number one.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You mentioned mar Lago a second ago and getting that
phone call. Can you just explain how insane that day
must have been because I know people we saw it
on TV, but you were on the inside. And when
you're getting a phone called, they're telling you to turn
your cameras off.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So like, what time of day is it, what are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It was about seven fifty eight o'clock in the morning
when I got a call from my team. They say,
the thirty FBI agents and they have a search warrant.
I go, what are they searching? I'm not sure if
I understand, Like we have like such a great relationship
with law enforcement. It was bizarre at the time. I go,
how would I not know about this? From Secret Service?
How would I not know? I mean, they didn't give
anybody warning. And I'll never forget, I said. I finally
figured out what they were doing. And I said, did
(06:55):
anybody let my father know? And it was my team,
really and they said no, And I go we'll call
him right now, and we met in his office and
that's when he wrote up that beautiful tweet, as you remember.
And the FBI was so damn pissed that we sent
out that tweet. They wanted to have the narrative, they
wanted to be able to release a story, and instead
my father writes that beautiful tweet. You know, right now,
the FBI is raiding the famous mar A Lago my home,
(07:17):
you know, and the world went crazy. The world couldn't
stand it. It was the worst decision that they ever made.
And remember, Senator, they said it was on behalf of
Nara right National Archives. Does anybody I went on Hannity
that night, I go, does anybody actually believe a glorified
library sent thirty FBI agents to invade Mara A Lago
with with firearms?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Give me a break, right?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And then sure enough it comes out there was Joe Biden,
and it was Merrick Garland, and it was the whole
host of criminals that weaponized the entire system. But I'll
never forget that call. Thirty FBI agents outside of mar
A Lago. They searched Milania's room, they searched Baron's room,
They took attorney client privileged documents. They took hippa documents.
You can't make it up.
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So everyone listening, I hope you'll buy the book just
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Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, I will say, Eric, you should brace yourself. It
doesn't matter how many copies of the book you sell.
The New York Times is going to insist that that
like left Handed Transgender Witches is the number one book
in America, and to be fair, in the New York
Times newsroom, it probably is the number one book in America.
But if you get outside the New York Times and
to the rest of America, there are a lot of
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people right now that are going to Amazon. Go to
Amazon right now by Eric truck Trump's book, keep it
at number one, Annoy a liberal by two, buy one
for yourself, and buy one to give a liberal just
to drive them crazy, and and and to say, explain
to me again how you think weaponization is a bad thing.
Because because your your liberal friends, to the extent you
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have any that they haven't defriended you, they're not going
to have an answer to that. Eric, tell me, what
was your dad's reaction when you went in and and
told them, okay, the FBI agents are here. I assume
he was pissed, but like, what was his immediate reaction
when you tell him that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was actually remarkably calm.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know, it's it's you know, I've seen my father
pissed many times, but he doesn't get pissed off in
situations of kind of like great anguish and stress. Right,
it's no different than Butler, but you know, almost foreshadow
Butler is the same thing. It's it's I probably would
have been pissed in Butler, and I think he was
actually remarkably calm, especially in the aftermath of what happened.
And you know he was always his commist in the
worst moments, always, I mean and center. You saw many
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of them. I mean you were there for many of
them in so many different ways. You know, he never
let emotion fly. It was it was a very he goes,
you gotta be kidding me, all right, honey, meet me
in my office. You know, we're going to write up
a statement. And that's when he let that truth fly.
And you know, the rest is history. I mean, for
the next month, they had helicopters buzzing over mar a
Lago and you know the scenes of that front gate.
You remember this, the cop car from the front gate
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of mar Lago. I mean, mar Lago became, not that
it wasn't probably already, but he became the most famous
property in the world. Based on on that raid and
what they did, and then the aftermath of all of it,
we find out Jack Smith was bringing in classified folders
and effectively staging photo shoots on the office floor of
my father's you know office. But you know, as I
said before, guys, I mean they were going through Malania's closet,
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they were going through Baron's room. They literally they took
his medical records, right like hip a related records.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That pissed off the judge. I can only tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
They took attorney client documents right That also really pissed
off Aileen Cannon, the judge on the case.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You just you couldn't believe it. And then you know, again,
all of this was stage.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You think Donald Trump just leaves classified folders fanned out
perfectly on the floor. I mean, it was all staged.
It was all set up. They wanted to imprison him.
They wanted to take his voice. They wanted to imprison him.
They wanted him behind bars. They didn't want him to
be able to campaign. They wanted to weaponize the system
in any way, shape or form, and they weren't able
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
A lot of people remember the deep platforming, and you
mentioned that earlier, and you go back to the end
of his first term in office. But one of the
things you mentioned earlier on was they tried to ruin
your businesses by d banking, you can you explain for
people that don't understand just how critical that was in
a time and the Trump organization. Mean, you've been handed
the family business to run it, and now you're finding
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out you can't even have banking the way that you
need to have banking to literally run businesses, whether you're
big business or a small business. A lot of people
listening right now. If you don't have a bank, you
don't have a business.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, Ben, it was that times one hundred.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean they they literally it was coordinated by the administration,
There's no question about it. And they called up and
they said, listen, congratulations, you cancel the account. I was
getting these letters. I got one from Capital One. They
had three hundred bank accounts. And these aren't like baby
bank accounts. These are massive commercial buildings that have hundreds
of tenants, you know, thousands of people working in these buildings,
hundreds if not thousands, of vendors, heavy real estate taxes,
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I mean people, hundreds and hundreds of people depend their
livelihoods depend on on these businesses.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
They've got complicated lock.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Box provisions and loan you know, loan documents, thousands of inputs,
coming in like this, you know, and they just called up.
You know, your accounts are going to get closed. You've
got one or two days to move them, and congratulations,
you're done. All because we wore a hat that said
make America great Again.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That was read.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
These were commercial buildings, these were condominium associations, these were
small golf courses, these were you know, residential shops, these
were scrow accounts, things that had nothing to do, nothing
to do with politics whatsoever. And they canceled us like
we were dogs. Capital One was the worst. JP Morgan
was horrible. Bank of America was horrible. First Republic was terrible.
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But it wasn't just the banks. It was platform Shopify.
Shopify literally gave us a notice they do all the
e comm platforms in the middle of the night, turned
off our accounts like we were nothing right. We were
selling golf polos that we have, you know, from mar
A Lago, and they did everything they could to hurt us,
to turn off the rails right again. They wanted our
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voice gone, They wanted us bankrupt, they wanted the name
off of every building. They wanted us thrown out of
New York. You had Letitia James. That was trying to
repossess our assets. I mean, it was almost like forfeiture.
It was not constitutional. Hence the reason the appellate courts
throughout the case five zero and we got a resounding
victory two weeks ago or three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Guys, they tried everything they could.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And because I was the guy outside of Washington, DC,
because I ran the company, it all fell on me.
That's how I became the most subpoened person the history
of this country. Having never done a damn thing wrong.
They wanted to get to my father coming through me.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That Now, were these business accounts, personal accounts both, I mean,
how many accounts are we talking about? Roughly like what.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Five five hundred?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know, lots of those being business accounts, all of
them being us. You know, my wife has a like
athletic clothing line. You know, JP Morgan Chase wouldn't open
up an account, so you know, for her, she's not
Donald Trump, she's not the Trump organization. They did this
to everyone in the family. If you even came close.
You know, if you even came close. I have a
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little farm with a couple buddies. They canceled that account.
Doesn't wear a Trump name. It can't they were indiscriminate
if it was six degrees of sep the narration from Trump,
they canceled us and one guys, you know, I'm an outspoken,
you know, a big fan of of you know, cryptocurrency.
That's how I found crypto because I realized how quickly
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financial institutions can be weaponized against the American people and
realize that there's nothing that can be done on you know,
using traditional financial institutions that can't be done better faster, cheaper, safer,
and more efficiently using cryptocurrency.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I'm I'm the biggest proponent of it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Did did they even even purport to give you any
explanation or do they just say oh, it's canceled like
like that that they didn't Was there any details or
you just get phone calls or get an email and say, okay,
this this account's done.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Other other than a lot of those you know a
lot of the people that worked in the in the
banks who otherwise said this is the most I can't
believe it. I can't believe what my bank's doing. This
is all political, That's what they're saying in the corridors
every day they canceled you for political reasons. There's no
other explanation. They're telling us, you know, they're telling us,
we can't talk to you ever.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I was unbelievable, and I would not wish that on
my worst enemy. To take the race of being able
to pay employees. These are housekeepers, these are janitors, these
are engineers, these are security officers, these are drivers, hospitality workers,
to not be able to pay them a salary, all
because somebody wanted to politicize a system against a candidate,
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because they happened to be a conservative and they believed
in making America great again.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
SATA, this is a story that we're hearing about the
weaponization of the private sector, not the gover, but the
private sector against the Trump organization. The moment that he
just said, five hundred bankcounts just shut down, I'm shocked
by that. I think you were as well.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That number. I'd never heard anything remotely close to that.
I mean, that really is stunning. So you're running your
families outside businesses, you get these calls. What do you
do when you're given what you said twenty four hours
forty eight hours notice, Like, were there banks that were
willing to welcome your business or or what did you
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do with five hundred accounts being canceled.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You had a lot of attorney generals and you had
a lot of government institutions that were going to these
banks saying, don't even think about it, don't touch that account.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Letitia James was doing that to the bonding companies when
we had to after the initial ruling, when we had
to post a six hundred million dollar bond. By the way,
that that was like five times the size of the
Boeing bond that made them, you know that literally, I
it was. It was the biggest bond ever seen in
the country, you know. And she was going to the
very same institutions saying, don't even touch that bond. So
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we had to post a bond based on the court
before we had everything overturned, and she was going to
the biggest assurance company saying, you don't touch that bond.
You know, you're registered in New York and if you
touched that bond, I'm going to think less favorably on you.
That's how badly they weaponize the system. What do you
do when you get those letters? You want to crawl
under your desk, And honestly, I had I had probably
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one hundred people in the company that didn't sleep for
a six month period of time, who were distraught. And
thank god we had enough little local banks. You know
that that you move all the accounts. I'm thinking about
it right to these little local branches who want to
take your money. But these weren't the JP Morgans, these
weren't the Bank of Americas. They were still a little
They were small, little mom and pop regional banks that
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did the right thing and honestly probably saved us based
on the fact that they were willing to do the
right thing. This didn't just happen to us. I was
on the campaign trail, I'd hear from people every single day.
You know, my bank canceled me. Why well, my company
makes the spring, and the spring goes in a fishing reel,
and that fishing reel sold at bass pro shops, and
bass pro shops sells twelve games duck hunting Ammo, and
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they thought the affiliation. I heard this everywhere I went.
I heard it from the crypto guys. I believed in bitcoin,
I believed in stable coin, I believe in the future
of kind of modern finance. And because I believed in
crypto currency, my banks canceled me. Well, COVID canceled me,
Bank of America canceled me. Guys, I heard this all
over the place. You know, we need to make this illegal,
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and it is. It's illegal and a lot of states
and under a lot of banking clauses. But the fact
you can literally I mean, could you imagine if if
AT and T or Rising just decided to cancel all
conservative cell phones?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
If you can't bank, you can't survive. If you can't bank,
you can't eat. If you can't bank, you can't pay employees.
And yet they turned us off like we were dogs.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
How much money do you think that Trump?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
When you guys were out during the four years and
under siege like this, how many business deals got blown
up because people were afraid even to just do business
with you, because they're afraid their business would be affected
negatively and they could be targeted. I'm assuming that was
a reality for quite some time.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Well, I talk a lot about it in the book.
I mean the reporters that just made their whole livelihoods.
David Farrenholdt from the Washington Post and others, you know,
made their entire livelihoods calling up you know, vendors of
ours calling up our employees, calling up brides and grooms
that we're gonna get married at one of the properties,
one of the hotels.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And they were harassing people that were getting married at
Trump resorts.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh I have I have more emails than you can
possibly imagine. You know, I hear you're gonna go get
married at at M mar Lago. Oh really, you know
this might have to make the front cover of a
respective paper, you know, can you please give me comment?
And these brides and grooms were saying, I just want
to get married in peace, you know, I just you know,
there's a beautiful property. I'm not a political person. I
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just you know it's it's it's a five star property.
I love the place. It's convenient. My family lives nearby.
Whatever the hell of the reason they were doing that,
They were extorting employees. They were going up to employees,
and they frankly tried to do it to me. Hey,
you tell us anything about Donald Trump, will let you go.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know, all your problems.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
They tried to turn you against your own father.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Alvin Bragg, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The Cyrus Vance, all of them, they they weaponized every
da in and ag to try and flip every single
person to say anything negative, to get any negative testimony
against Donald Trump for their own political purposes. Absolutely, that
was the whole game they played. And no one in
our company broke.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
This was the siege that I dealt with every single day, right,
I mean it was it was all of these factors
that came together, all at once, all the time, doing anything.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They could to to to just chop us off.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
At every single I mean when they made up the
dirty dossier, when they made up right, I mean, they
have stories about prostitution in there, about golden you know
what's right? What do you think they were trying. They
were trying to divorce my father. They were trying to
destroy his marriage. They were trying to break up our family.
That's what they were trying to do. Also, a greedy
woman could get, you know again, two more votes. These
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people are sick, These people are deranged, and there's been
zero accountability for any of it. And as a son
who fought by my father's side every single day during
this battle, somebody had to tell this story. Somebody had
to tell the inside perspective of the lens that a
corrupt government will go to besides just spying on campaigns
and despise just you know, raiding homes, you know, all
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the things that they did to try and destroy us,
to try and destroy make America great again, and try
and construer destroy conservatives all across the country.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Look, it was unmitigated evil and it was driven part
of it was driven by hate. Today, the defining characteristic
I think of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is they hate your father.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, and they hate your family. I mean that anything
connected to your father they hate. And I think it also, though,
was a deep contempt for democracy. I think every one
of these indictments, I think the weaponization that we saw
their underlying terror is that the voters would do what
they did in November of twenty twenty four and vote
to re elect your father. And this was all about
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undermining democracy and preventing the voters from doing that. You know, Eric,
you mentioned earlier that you described yourself as as the
most subpoena man in America. How many subpoenas did you
get and did you testify a lot of times? Were
they demanding documents? What subpoenas were coming?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
In one hundred and twelve subpoenas I sat in more
depositions than any human being in the history of depositions.
And by the way, these are like big boy subpoenas, right,
They're all coming from you, your close friend Elizabeth Warren
as we like to call her Pocahontas, and and many
others we turned over. I mean, they would ask for
document discovery, you know, please give us every email in
the company, and they would list a thousand words. But
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aside from that, they would list national and international. Well,
all our hotels are Trump International Hotel, and all our
golf courses are Trump National Golf Course. You could probably
see where this is going. Every email signature of every
person in the company either has the word national or
international in it. That's their fishing expedition. I actually brought
this to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court specifically
told them you can't fish, right, and they did it.
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They did it any way. The judges didn't give a damn.
They wanted to find any comma that was out of place,
and they couldn't. I mean, in the Letitia James trial,
literally Deutsche Bank was on the stand saying that Trump
was the best lender that they've ever had. Right, we
made them, hundreds of millions of dollars paid off, every loan,
paid it off ahead of time, never missed a payment.
Even in the darkest days of COVID when they made
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a shutdown our properties, we never missed, we never faulted,
we never breached a covenant. And then one day I
wake up to the nightmare of your fine six hundred
million dollars for doing nothing wrong with banks that loved us,
that testified that they loved us. I mean it was
you know, and that's because you had a crooked judge. Again,
got overturned five zero at the next court. But they
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rigged out the entire system. And you're seeing them do
that right now, right You're seeing them do that in Washington, DC,
where ninety four percent of the cases that go in
front of the lower Course are are literally you know,
going against the administration and then they all have to
go up on a po and get overturned. But guys,
the beautiful thing about the story is we won, right.
I mean, the media loss, The media lost their credibility.
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No one likes the mainstream media. I mean, my wife
is on Fox News on a Saturday and nine pm,
and she's getting four extra ratings of CNN on the
same time slot on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in primetime slots. Right,
no one likes the mainstream media. ABC's dead, NBC's dead,
CNN's dead. An independent voice is like, these podcasts are
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winning the day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And by the way, she she is doing an awesome job.
I had a chance to be on her show, and
she's she's a great interviewer because she's relaxed, she's having fun,
she's asking real questions and and it's night and day. Uh,
you know, I I will occasionally do do CNN. Poor
Ben was on CNN for six seven years. I actually
think he has a padded room and he like like
puts on a straightjacuality, remembers those times.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Fighting comedies for seven years.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Hey listen, I just came off Caitlyn Collins about twenty
minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, So it's not some prayers.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know, it's it's so bad. Let me ask you
when all of this was coming in, And it is
not exaggeration to say there has never been a political
leader subject to more weaponization, more assaults, more insanely unfair
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attacks than that than your father has been. Was there
ever time that that you felt yourself giving in to
despair and and do you think your dad ever did.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah, honestly, it's like we're like masochistic, We like we
like pain or something along those lines. Right, It's like
a weird trade, right, And I think it served us well.
But now I think we were so pissed off at
that point. We wanted to fight, and we wanted to win.
And we want to save the Constitution. We want to
save the American flag. We wanted to save religion in society.
We want to save the you know, Second Amendment. We
want to end end wokeness. We wanted to stop the
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dei nonsense, you know, men my size swimming in women's sport.
We wanted to save the greatest country in the world
against absolute lunacy. And so we never gave up. We
never stopped fighting. We went out there and we punched
back every single day, and we did that as a family.
I never left that stage, And honestly, I've never been
more proud of a human being in my life.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
All Right, So, our guests with us is Eric Trump center.
You and I were just talking with him about this,
really his family being under siege. You talked about these
big boys as part of that is to financially hurt you.
What did you, guys, spend just doing the fighting of
all the lawsuits against you during that four year period.
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How much did it cost you?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Roughly four hundred million, guys. I laugh when people, oh,
Trump is profiting off of government. I go, wait, wait,
excuse me. If you want to come in, I'll break
down the finances you want to Trump's profit. We spent
four hundred million dollars to defend ourselves against nonsense, the
fact that we did not have secret servers communicating with
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the Kremlin, the fact that Don wasn't a Russian agent.
Remember you had Adam Schiff out there every single day.
Donald Trump Junior is a Russian agent.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
If he wasn't, if he wasn't protected by the speech
and debate laws, you would have, honestly, the guy.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Would have been worth a zero.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
He would have been living in a shoe box based
on the fact that you would have sued him for
slander and taken everything that he ever had. It was
all made up. They did everything they possibly could to
take us down. We spent over four hundred million dollars
between that. You know, Letitia, you know Alvin Braggs side Vance,
you know, if Fanny, I mean, I could.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Go on and on the raids the mara alag What
was the worst to deal with between Alvin braggsie Vance,
Leticia James jack Smith? Who was the worst?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Probably did Letitia if you want to know the truth,
I mean, it was so corrupt and I don't know
Alvin Braggbaus. You had Brshawn, I mean, Judge Barhawn's daughter
is like that, the head digital fundraiser for the Democratic Party,
and the guy wouldn't recuse himself, and literally you'd be
sitting in these courtrooms, guys, and I would not leave
my father's side. I sat next to him every single day.
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If he was there, I was going to be there
as a son to support him, you know. And most
of the time some of these cases I wasn't gagged
in so normally I was the guy in the courthouse steps,
you know, shouting and yelling at the cameras as to
what the hell was actually going on, because that's the
only way you could communicate a message. But guys, I mean,
you had liberal and I mean liberal reporters who were
in that courtroom shaking their heads saying none of this
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makes it. I mean, they shut down all of Manhattan,
Lower Manhattan for a hundred thousand dollars payment that my
father didn't even make, made by a lawyer. They indicted
him thirty four times. I mean, you know, al Capone
had had one felony indictment. They indicted my father thirty
four times for one hundred thousand dollars payment, by the way,
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by a district attorney who ran on the premise, you know,
of reducing what you know, just decriminalizing just about anything.
You know, you can shoot somebody in the face in
Times Square and it was decriminalized, and you're gonna let
them out, and you know you're gonna have community policing
and all sorts of nonsense. I mean, he ran on
the premise of literally emptying Rikers Island so you had
no criminals in there. Yet you know, thirty four felonies
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in six month period of time is shutting down New
York in the FDR drive every day over one hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean, it wasn't believable.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If if only your father were mugging people in Times Square,
then Alvin Bragg would never have prosecuted him, But instead
he committed the unspeakable sin of not only being president
of the United States, but being an extra ordinarily successful
and bold president of the United States, which which is
an unpardonable sin. All right, we don't have much much
time left, but but I want to take it a
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little bit lighter and and ask what was it like?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Your father is is unique. I've never in my life
have I met anyone remotely like your father. He and
I have spent a lot of time together. He has
extraordinary courage. But before he was president, what was it
like growing up as a kid with Donald Trump as
your father? Like, like, like, how what was he like
as a dad when you were ten?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Honestly, the greatest dad you can ever imagine.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Expected big things from us, right, I mean every day
I go give him kiss before I went to school. Honey,
no drink drinking, no drugs, no smoking. You better get
good grades. And by the way, never trust anybody. Right
he did once in a while I had that he
never never trust anyone. Hey, that's probably that was gonna be.
I said, I've probably benefited us pretty well, so amazing guy.
You know, listen, we're spoiled as hell, and that we
lived in you know, Trump Tower. We had beautiful roof overhead.
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We were always well fed. We we had the best education.
But we were never handed money. We're never handy cash.
If we wanted something, If I wanted a fishing road, congratulations,
you're working for it. I got on our construction sites
when I was eleven years old, doing demo, doing electrical HVAC,
you know, running back hose excavators. You know, I grew
up working with my hands on our construction sites with
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many of the guys that work for me today. And
you know what, he wanted us to learn a trait.
He wanted us to learn the value of a dollar.
And by the way, he wanted us to be tired
as hell at the end of the day. You know,
because listen, don't give Type A kids or any kid.
But don't give Type A kids money or free time,
because bad things happen. And he was an amazing father.
He is an amazing father. And everything we've ever done
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we fought together, whether it's real estate, whether it was
the Apprentice. I was on that for seven seasons, and
then in politics. I mean, when he decided to run,
he said to us, he goes, you know, kids, let's
do this. You know, I was on Meghan Kelly. I
didn't know what the hell immigration was. I mean, Senator,
this was not my world. I built, you know, hotels,
and all of a sudden, I'm in the middle of box.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I got a wall, and now you're on TV.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I've got ninety illegal immigrants around me and I'm battling
all of them. And I don't know the first damn
thing about illegal immigration, right. I mean, like, this is
not the world that we came from. But my father's
a remarkable guy. My mother was an amazing powerhouse and strict,
demanded manners, demanded respect, demanded work ethic and either the
greatest parents you can ever imagine. I spent a lot
of time in underseage talking about, you know, being raised
(33:22):
by them, and you know, it was unique in so
many ways. But they they did everything they could in
this strange world that we lived in to ground us
and make sure we turned out to be hard workers, normal,
you know, and didn't have any of these kind of
Hunter Biden esque problems. I don't have a laptop from hell,
you know, I don't do finger paintings selling it to
you know, foreign nationals all over the world. You know,
(33:43):
never married my you know, my brother's ex wife, like,
never did that kind of stuff. No drugs, no, you know,
no perversion. I was always a good kid who believed
in God and believed in hard work and you know,
lived an honest life.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Eric, I can't tell you how many times, dozens, if
not hundreds of times people have conte that one of
the things they admire most about your dad, uh is
is you and your brothers and sisters. And listen, it
is hard for for any successful person to to raise
good kids. It's challenging. There's a lot of pressure and
(34:15):
and you know, I I know know your entire family,
and I will say literally people early on throughout the process,
they'll comment, well, you know, somehow his kids are like
like not messed up and incredibly successful and put together
and and I mean, it's all right.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let's let let's say we have some young parents that
are listening to this podcast. Are there any lessons a
young parent by the way, uh, you know Ben Ben
has young kids, I have teenage. Are there any lessons
any lessons from your dad that that young parents should
know or lessons that that you've tried to apply.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, keep them poor and make them start working early. Honestly,
I mean that's what it is. Keep keep them poor,
don't don't give type A kids money and don't give
them endless time. That's just a bad recipe, right, And
you know, I can't tell you, guys how many friends
I had, you know, who were peers who went to
school with me, And you know, three quarters of them
ended up in rehab and and a lot of them
(35:12):
went down bad roads. And guess what they were getting
ferraris you know when they're you know, sixteen years old, Like,
what do you ever want to aspire to to get
if that's if that's how you're being raised. I mean,
does it surprise you that those people don't have work ethic?
Does it surprise you that they would go down bad roads?
And my father would never let that happen to us,
And you know he made us work our butts off.
And believe me, if I wasn't good at what I
(35:33):
did real estate wise, I would not be in this chair.
I mean, forget about bapotism for a second. It you know,
if we weren't incredibly capable, believe me, I wouldn't be
running one of the largest real estate empires anywhere in
the world. And he made us work, and he made
us prove that we were good at what we do,
and we fought every single day. And we're an incredibly
tight family. And he's a remarkable person. He's my best friend.
I love him to death, and I'm so proud of him,
(35:55):
especially in a week where he's accomplished as much as
he had. I am so damn pros out of what
he did and what he's accomplished and the hell of
a journey. Guys, It's all worth it. This is all
worth it. The siege is all worth it based on,
you know, the great things that are happening to our country.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And our world.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Don't forget share this podcast please with your family and
your friends wherever they are, and I will see you
back here tomorrow.
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