October 22, 2025 • 38 mins
1. Allegations Against John Brennan
- Accusations that Brennan knowingly made false statements to Congress regarding the Steele Dossier and its role in the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) on Russian election interference.
- Claims that Brennan denied CIA involvement with the dossier, which is contradicted by declassified documents.
- Assertions that Brennan overruled senior CIA officials who opposed including the dossier in the ICA.
- Reference to a criminal referral sent by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan to the Department of Justice, seeking prosecution under 18 U.S. Code § 1001 for false statements to Congress.
2. Broader Claims of Government Overreach
- Discussion of alleged political surveillance and targeting of conservative figures, including:
- Senator Ted Cruz, whose phone records were reportedly subpoenaed by Special Counsel Jack Smith but not handed over by AT&T.
- Other Republican senators and representatives whose metadata was allegedly obtained by the DOJ and FBI.
- Accusations of politicized investigations and abuse of power by federal agencies under the Biden administration.
- References to past controversies involving figures like James Comey, Christopher Wray, and James Clapper, suggesting a pattern of misconduct.
3. Commentary and Interviews
- Includes a detailed interview with Senator Ted Cruz, discussing his reaction to learning about the subpoena of his phone records and expressing concerns about political persecution.
- Promotional content for Patriot Mobile, a conservative-leaning mobile service provider.
- Calls for accountability and transparency, with suggestions that hearings and investigations may follow.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You may remember a guy by the name of John Brennan.
He's a guy that came up with some amazing theories
about Donald Trump and conspiracy theories about Trump Russia, Russia collusion.
All things he knew were lies trying to well undermine
Donald Trump and influenced the last election. We also know
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that he said some pretty outlandish things, for example, about
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. You may remember when they
met in Alaska. John Brennan speculated on this.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So I think you could see on Putin's face he
felt very, very comfortable, and the fact that he was
given a ride then in the presidential limousine the Beast.
I certainly hope the Secret Service has swept that vehicle
very well in terms of any type of small microchip
that might have been put in the in the vehicle.
But then in the press conference, Putin looked chipper, he
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looked upbeat.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
There's the conspiracy theory himself, the man that loves to
spread these things, John Brennan, speculating his expertise right as
a former leader in the Deep State, that Vladimir Plutin
planted a microchip in Trump's presidential limo during their short
ride together on the tarmac. John Brennan also made it
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very clear that if you think that his now criminal
referral is somehow based in fact, oh no it is not.
This is all because of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump
is a guy that is coming after me, trying to
intimidate me. And I'm not going to be intimidated by
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the Trump or his administration.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I know you're not gonna like this question because you
and tel people to like talk about yourselves and all
of that. But I'm curious how you're doing and how
your family is doing, because these moments are you know,
We've talked to Miles Taylor, We've talked to Michael Feinberg,
people who are in the crosshairs of these kinds of
possible investigations and how it changes your entire life and
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how you and your family can operate.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So how are you well.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm glad that Jim Comy put out that video statement
the other night where he said that they're not going
to live on their knees his family and others shouldn't
as well. I'm not going to be intimidated by the
likes of Donald Trump. I have always tried to speak
my mind and do what I thought was right, and
clearly there is a corruption and a perversion of the
justice system right now within the executive branch. And so
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I don't know what may be coming my way, but
I'm not going to do things that are inconsistent with
my ethics and my values and what it is that
I believe is important. I think more people have to
speak out when they see injustice, when they see a
government that is abusing its authority and its power.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I think more and more.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
People have to speak out.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
And I'm waiting for those Republicans in Congress to come
to their senses because the damage that's being done to
this country and the dangerous times that we're in, I
think too many Americans do not appreciate the extent of that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And certainly I think we're in for even choppier waters it.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Talking about chompier waters ahead.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now you notice the media there trying to turn him
into some sort of victim there.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
In that interview.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
John Brennan on classified documents, for example, he had this to.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Say, is here a director Brennan, let me start with you.
Bryan Goodman of Just Security tweeted this quote. I expect
this will result in espionage Act Charges dissemination is key.
That was his response to this new Washington Post reporting
Do you think he has a point? Do you see
it that way?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
By the way, this is in reference to workers that
move quote mar Lago boxes the day before the Justice
Department came for those documents.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So again, it's the guy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That wants you to believe that he's never done anything wrong,
that he was never going after his political enemies, he
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Speaker 4 (05:52):
Again, this is the guy that wants you to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Believe that he's never done anything wrong, that he was
never going after his political enemies, he never lied to
congres He's done everything perfect. And this is a response
to the present home being rated well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
This certainly seems like more damning evidence. And if these
reports are true, it's unsurprising given Donald Trump's lifelong disregard
of the rules, disrespective law, and arrogant sense of entitlement
in terms of he can do anything he wants. But
now he is dealing with a very very serious issue,
which is classified documents and obstruction of justice. And at
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least according to this report, there were efforts made right
on the eve of this investigation on the part of
FBI to obscure and to conceal evidence. And so it
doesn't look very good for Donald Trump. Again, if all
this evidence is mounting, and Jack Smith is a special
counsel of the highest integrity with a dogged determination to
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find a truth in this matter, so it's clear that
they have been quite active in this investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So there it is. That is just some of the
history of John Brennan. I wanted to lay that down
for you as a foundation so that we can now
get to what has happened, and that is the new
breaking news, the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan has
officially sent a referral letter to the US Department of
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Justice asking for a criminal prosecution of Brennan. The letter
alleges that Brennan quote knowingly and willfully made false statements
a material fact during his transcribed interview conducted by the
Committee on May the eleventh of twenty twenty three. This
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is coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee. The alleged
false statements relate to his testimony about the role of
the Steele Dossier in the twenty seventeen Intelligence Assessment, the
Intelligence Community Assessment, or the ICA on the Russian election interference. Again,
this is all coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee.
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The referral points to the Federal Statute eighteen USC. One
thousand and one False Statements to Congress as a proposed
basis for the criminal liability. Now, let me just explain
to you in layman's terms, what this really is all about.
It's that John Brennan knew that the Still dossier and
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all of this connection between Donald Trump and Russia was
a fabricated, made up live The FBI had used the
Still dossier to try to go somewhere with it, and
what did they do. They even had it marked as
user generated, meaning it was a lie. They even offered
a million dollars to steal if he could corroborate anything
in the Stee dosier. They never paid them the money
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because they knew he couldn't do it, and they knew
that the Stile dossier was paid for by the Hillary
Clinton campaign for president and the Democratic National Committee in
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yet they weaponized it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They decided to use it to move forward, which brings
us to Brennan. Now, he wants you to feel sorry
for him, like he's being persecuted. So let's just go
back through the overall timeline of the major events.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
This is what matters.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
January sixth of twenty seventeen, the intelligence community.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
The CIA, the FBI, the.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
NSA issued a declassified version of the ICA titled Assessing
Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections. Again, this
is coming from the House Judiciary Committee. May the twenty
third of twenty seventeen, Brennan testified before the House Permanent
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Select Committee on Intelligence at an open hearing on Russian
active measures during the twenty sixteen election. Campaign and made
statements about the Stile dossier. The referral letter points to
his false statements in that earlier hearing as part of
a broader pattern. You fast forward to May eleventh, twenty three,
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Brennan sat for a transcribed interview with the House Judiciary Committee.
In that testimony, according to the referral letter, Brennan claimed
the CIA was not I'm gonna say that again, the
CIA was not involved at all with the Steele dossier.
That is a direct quote from John Brennan in his
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testimony the House Judiciary Committee. Fast forward then to October
the twenty first, twenty twenty five. Jim Jordan has now
sent the referral letter the DOJ seeking criminal prosecution of
Brennan based on the alleged false testimony that I just
read for you. Now, let's go to exactly what is
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being alleged, and I'm going to go in order there
so you understand that as well. False denial of the
CIA involvement with the Steele dossier is clearly point number
one in this referral laid out by the Chairman Jordan.
Brennan testified that the CIA again was not quote unquote
involved at all with the Steele dossier. They're now claiming
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that that is, obviously, based on his testimony.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
A lie.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
The referral letter claims this is contradicted by the declassified
documents that actually show that the CIA officer drafted the
ICA annex summarizing the dossier, so that would mean the
CIA was involved and we have a summary of it
from the CIA. Brennan also, along with the then FBI
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Director James Comey, made the decision to include information from
the dossier in that ICA report.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Brennan also overruled. We're being told senior.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
CIA officers who objected to the inclusion of the dossier
material why because they knew it was user generated.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
They knew it was a lie.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
They knew it was paid for by the Hillary Clinton
campaign and the Democratic National Committee. They knew that Michael
Steele could not cooperate any of it for the million
dollars they offered him, because if it was real, he
would have taken the money. Brennan not only overalled the
senior CIA officers, but that's where the politics was clearly
coming in. The second part of this is the false
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testimony about the CIA opposition to the Steele dossier's inclusion.
Brennan testified, right, I'm going to his words that the
CIA quote was very much opposed to having any reference
or inclusion of the dossier in the ICA. So again,
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this is another example of false testimony about the CIA
opposition to the dossier's inclusion.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
According to the referral.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Declassified CIA memos show the opposite of that claim. Brennan stated, quote,
My bottom line is that I believe that the information
warrants inclusion in the report and refuse to remove the
dossier despite major concerns from high level CIA individuals. Then
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you also have what is referred to now as basically
zero point three the pattern of miss statements. The referral
argues that these false statements in twenty twenty three build
on longer standing misstatements, including the twenty seventeen hearing, and
thus support a referral for the criminal investigation. Now there's
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also important caveats that you need to understand here. The
congression referral does not automatically mean an indictment.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It is now up.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
To the Department of Justice if they are going to
consider prosecution. Many referrals, by the way, do not lead
to charges. So I want to put that out there
because I think we should just be fair. Now, there's
also legal experts that also say that it would be
a hard prosecution because in essence, well it's ease and
she said he's in charge.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So you know, everybody should kind of calm down here
and just relax a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
John Brennan, by the way, is also a guy that
has had a tendency, I think to mislead at best
lie to the American people. A great example of that
was the former CIA director John Brennan testifying about the
Hunter Biden laptop. You may have forgotten that story, but
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that is also something here that needs to be talked about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Before we get to that, let me also just say
one other thing. In the letter to the Attorney General
Pam Bondi on Tuesday went from Jim Jordan, the House
Judiciary Committee chairman, referring the former CIA director Brennan to
the Justice Department for allegedly making false statements to Congress.
Not only is Jordan directly accusing Brendan of laing in
his twenty twenty three Judiciary Committee testimony by denying that
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the CIA used the dossier in prepping the twenty seventeen
Intelligence committ the assessment on the Russian election interference that
he knew was a lie, but also falsely claiming that
the CIA opposed including the dossier.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
The two points I just went over there.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, the Steele dossier was a series of reports that
were quote, detailing President Trump's alleged ties to Russia. It
was compiled and delivered the FBI in sixteen by that
former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. In the letter, Jordan writes,
he said, I led subsequent investigations confirmed quote that the
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Clinton campaign and the d NC paid Steele via the
law firm of Perkins Coy and opposition research firm Fusing
GPS to provide derogatory information about Trump's purported ties to Russia,
which resulted into the discredited dossier. So they're laying out
exactly what I'm now saying to you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
In July.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
By the way of this summer, the Trump administration was
very smart because they declassified the documents, which appeared to
show that Brennan approved the decisions directly, which contradicts his
own words that to use is steal dossier. Despite the
objections of senior high ranking CIA officials. So again that's
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where the lie comes out. You declassify this, everybody sees it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Bam.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Now I put all this together, and let me just
go back to what I said a moment ago. This
is a guy that has had no problem lying. And
I also would say that there's others that have been
a part of this and have lied as well. And
you're starting to see the dots kind of connected here.
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You have a Komy by the way, James Comy, former
REPI director, indicted for allegedly, you know, false statements, obstruction
of congressional proceedings.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So you have that.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You have Christopher Ray refer to the DOJ overclaims he
misled lawmakers on the Catholic memo and the China probes,
and and now you have.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
The former CIA director.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Now all of these people, plus James Clapper and John
Brennan hitting at Trump's and attacking him, clearly hating.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Him and wanting to bring him down.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So there's a motive here, and then there's the evidence
behind their motive. They never thought they were going to
be held accountable for their actions. They never thought Donald
Trump was ever going to get elected again. In fact,
I think they actually thought their actions would put him
in jail and bankrupt him. You go back to Christopher
Ray for a second, and let's just remind you on
that one. A Washington based government transparency watchdog group has
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referred the former FBI director Christopher Ray to the Department
of Justice and the FBI, urging a criminal investigation to
allegations and he made false statements of Congress and obstructed
proceedings in two high profile cases. The Oversight Project president
said that the group is specifically asking officials to examine
Ray's congressional testimony on the so called Richmond Memo from
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the FBI office in virgin that exposed the anti Catholic
bias there, and his testimony about a Chinese plot to
disseminate illicit driver's license before the twenty twenty election. So,
in July twenty twenty three, Ray testified before the House
Judiciary Committee on the FBI Richmond Memo that had labeled
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Catholics as potential domestic threats, in other words, domestic terrorists. Well,
what I can tell you is you're referring to the
Richmond product, which is a single product by a single
filled office, which as soon as I found out about it,
I was AGAs and ordered it with draw and remove
from FBI systems. That is what Ray said. Now, the
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oversight project alleged to the statement was ultimately ultimately misleading
or false. Representative Tiffany, Republican from Wisconsin press Ray on
the Richmond memo and so called Trump questionnaire which was
circulated the FBI and asked about allegiances to the present
and whether agents had attended any protests or rallies associated
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with the January sixth capital breach quote. We keep hearing
about these isolated examples, whether it's Richmond, Catholics, this questionnaire.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
It's a pattern.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Congressman Tiffany asked, So, you've got a lot happening now.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Democrats are going to try to spend this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And I want to be clear, as this is Donald
Trump going after his political enemies. I want to be
clear my thoughts on this. This isn't about going after
his political enemies. This is about holding those accountable who
were in the highest positions of power who weaponize the
United States government to try to take out their political enemy,
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and that person was Donald Trump. And they also went
after their other political enemies like men and women whose
mothers and fathers who were described as domestic terrorists if
you went to a school board meeting. This is the
same government that tried to turn Catholics against their own
people into spy in their own churches, not mosque Catholics.
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So again this goes back to the basic question when
you look at all of this now, is this actual
political persecution or is this about accountability? I think there's
no other way to look at it than it's straight
up accountability. It is very clear now that it was intentional,
It was targeted political spying that likely went to the
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very highest levels in the Biden administration, and there should
be the broadest possible investigation and accountability for what Jack
Smith and the Democrats were doing. We have learned a
lot more now and there are more centers' names to
add to the list of those who were spied on
by Jack Smith. Ted Kruz's phone records, we've now learned
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were subpoena as part of an investigation the Jack Smith
conducted or oversaw into the January sixth events and the
broader quote election interference matter. The subpoena in his case
specifically covered the period of January fourth through the seventh
of twenty twenty one, just before and around the time
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of the January sixth disturbances. The Axios piece says that
Cruz is the ninth Republican US Senator whose phone records
were targeted or subpoenaed by the Justice Department under Smith's
leadership and direction. The subpoena apparently requested a broad set
of metadata inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect
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voicemail messages, plus names and even addresses. Some Republican centers,
for example Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee, have now sent letters
to the Attorney General and to the telecom carriers alleging
that this ounts to politicize surveillance of Congress by the
Department of Justice and the FBI, calling it spying on
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duly elected members of Congress. One report from October to
eighth places the number of GOP lawmakers, senators plus at
least one representative whose metadata was actually obtained, and nine
eight centers and one House member in that initial batch,
which now is expanding. The reporting is based on subpoenas
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and metadata requests. It is not clear, at least in
the public what the contents are what they did with
the communications, What was accessed or what was done by
the DOJ and the FBI with the metadata for Ted
Cruz specifically, this is what we do know. The reason
why he wasn't in the first batch is because he
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was not with Verizon. Instead, his carrier was AT and T,
Which brings me to a special part of the show.
Senator Ted Cruz and I set down to talk about
this spying, exactly what happened and why we're now seeing
this expand to other members of Congress and there could
be more to come that were spied on by the
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Democrats and Jack Smith. So take a listen to what
he had to say about finding out that he was
a target. All right, Senator, so let's start with the
big news. Where were you when you found out that
you were spied on as part of Jack Smith's investigation
into Donald Trump? This clearly is a fishing expedition. And
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what were you told? Have you been briefed on this
or are you just getting to say Mentel we are
from reading it in the news.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
So I found out about this last week, last Thursday.
I got the information. And let's back up a couple
of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor of the Biden DOJ
that was going after January sixth, that was going after
President Trump, had subpoenaed eight and one Republican House member
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and had gotten their cell phone records. And the eight
Senators who had been subpoena were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lummus, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
and Tommy Tuberville. And then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
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had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit just over
a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
had dinner with Sean and with several of the senators
on that list as well, and I was laughing with Sean.
I was saying, I'm actually kind of offended, Like how
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did I get lift out of this list? Like what
did I have to do? I was literally standing on
the Senate floor on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight,
and I had brought together eleven senators to stand together
in fighting for an election commission to assess the evidence
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of voter fraud, and including many of the senators who
were subpoena were in the group that I'd brought together.
So I was I was joking with Sean, but I
wasn't entirely joking. Well, it turns out the reason I
was not on the list is apparently all eight of
those senators their cell phones are with Verizon, and the
evidence had come out that Verizon had handed over their
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their their cell phone information. Well, my cell phone is
with AT and T and I didn't know it at
the time, but I found out late last week that
Jack Smith sent a subpoena to AT and TU demanding
my cell phone records, and AT and T told him
to go jump in a lake. AT and T did
not give my cell phone records. I really look. AT
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and T is based in Texas. I'm proud of them.
They did the right thing. I appreciate that, and and
they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
By the way, the subpoena called for quote detailed records
for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
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voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
was you know this, this left wing judge has been
presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
had an order from Judge Boseberg ordering AT and T
you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
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phone information for a year.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Isn't that amazing? By the way, and you're sitting unin
State Center, don't tell him. We don't want him to know.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yes, and so AT and T examined it, and they
actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way it works,
so the subpoena just comes and they get a cell
phone number. So so the Biden DOJ didn't identify who
they were seeking. And by the way, look the telecom
companies typically if they get a subpoena for phone records
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on a number, they typically handed over because it's usually
a drug dealer or a criminal. You have a subpoena
that's issued from a grand jury, so so it it
they will routinely in a criminal proceeding hand over. Well,
it's so happened that that AT and T, even though
they just asked for the number, they looked and realized
whose number it was, and and and that they talked
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with their legal team, and and and they said, listen,
what what Cruz is saying is it and any member
of Congress, what they're saying is protected by the Speech
and Debate Clause of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the
ability of of of Senators and House members to engage
in debate, to to do our jobs. Article one of
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the Constitution vests all legislative power in the Congress. And
and in fact, we you know, on January sixth, it
was very literally speech and debate. As I said, I
was standing on the Senate floor giving a speech and
raising an objection. So it's literally the heart of what
one does as an elected member of Congress. And so
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At and T concluded, listen there, we're not going to comply.
As I said, I'm grateful for At and T doing that,
But that now makes it nine senators that we know
of and one House.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
also at At and T and they probably said no, we're
not going to do that either, right it would be
Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody you're
asking for. There could be easily I would say another four, five,
six others. Who knows how many outside the Senate right
that they could have asked for that they could have
said no to as well.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
And I would assume there was a lot of people
on at and t well.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
And look the Biden DOJ also after the Republican Attorney
General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This was
a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
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for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
so it was twenty twenty two, so it was two
years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
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in the United States Senate. And I got to say
for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
their political opponents and spying with let's be clear none
of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
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This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right,
you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
In that scenario, they were just hey, we'll just go
after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Look.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
I don't know what they were hoping to find, but
but but they were asking for the cell phone records
from from January fourth to January seventh, so all surrounding
January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some some
modicum of coordination, uh with with with those who engage
in active violence on that day. Part of their theory
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was was the alternate electors that were being sent from
various states. So I assumed they were looking for some
modicum of coordination there. But this was a political prosecution
because they did not have evidence, and so they said, well,
let's let's go through their cell phone records and see
if we can find something. And by the way, who
knows if if somebody had sent something stupid text, had
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a voicemail, had you know, I mean people when you
go through someone emails, when you go through someone's cell phones,
when prosecutors go looking for a crime, the nature of
a fishing expedition is, let's go look around. You know.
There's a book that was written decades ago. Uh that
(31:15):
that that that's called three Felonies a Day, And and
it talks about how the average American commits three felonies
a day, that that in our regulatory state, things are
so complicated, things are so mired in complexity that that
that you can violate you know, you you step on
a wetland in your backyard, and and and you know
there's an old line that a prosecutor can indict a
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ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor goes in front
of a grand jury. When a prosecutor goes in front
of a grand jury, you know, there's no defense attorney there.
It's just the prosecutor and members of the grand jury.
And so, I don't know what they were looking for.
I think they were looking for anything that could stick
because this was a political prosecution.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Let me ask you this, if and and so, Ben,
I just.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Want to say I'm really grateful they did not find
the pictures you sent to me of you in a
pink too too, because I just think that it's not
criminal all.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The league jokes that I send you about the Ivy
League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up going
to one of those places. That could have been very
bad for me.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I I it, you know it, it would have been uh.
And and I got to say, just the typos and
misspellings that that that you have in your text, that
that alone would have.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Been been a little bit embarrassing too.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
So I'm glad none of that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
like it's what was been really trying to say.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
And I'm like, you're welcome.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
I will tell you about I talked to AT and
T today and I said, look, you guys got to
start a marketing campaign and shift to a T and T.
We'll we'll protect your stuff, like yeas to them. Look,
I I don't have a good answer to that. But
but but but I did.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
And I didn't know about this until just a few
days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
Like I was joking that I felt excluded, but it
wasn't entirely a joke. And then I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And here we are all right here, I don't question
on this. What is gonna be the response from Congress?
Will there be any to this or is this just
old administration abuse of power?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We're going to move on, or is there going to
be a way to make sure like we have standards
of this is not allowed to happen and that people
are held accountable for this.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I think
we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell you
the nine of us who were targeted, we're talking to
each other because we want to prevent this. We want
to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this, from spying
on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The executive doesn't
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have the ability to go engage in spying on members
of the posing party in Congress. That is an abuse
of power. It is it is politicization.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
And and this that this entire effort, so so, this
prosecution was called Arctic Frost, and I think this is
going to be the Watergate of the Biden d o J.
I think it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was
a partisan prosecutor who was drunk on power and and
(34:27):
and and I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision
on his own. I think the decision making goes all
the way up. I think it goes up to the
Attorney General, and I think it goes up to the
White House. And and so I expect number one, some
some real investigation and hopefully transparency in terms of who
approved let's go spy on members of Congress and and
and and and that that I think we're gonna work
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to have some real transparency on and that. I think
we're gonna look at real and concrete steps we can
take to make sure this never happens again, because this
kind of is.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're part of you that just thinks like maybe this
has just been going on and never really stopped. After
you know, the the famous FBI director that had you know,
files on everybody, and people said well, we won't have
that again after Jagger, and now it's like they're just
like they wild West. You can do what the hell
you want to if you're a Democrat, and you're in charge.
(35:20):
Like we can spawn in the present, we can spy
in the campaigns. We can go after people in this
situation room and the trap them. We can try to
go after their business associates and their kids and get
them to turn against them, like Eric Trump was talking
about that on our show the day. If you missed
that show, people should go back and listen to He's
like they were literally trying to turn Donald Trump's own
children against him, threatening that your life's gonna be over
(35:41):
and you're gonna be in jail, so you better get
a get out of jail free card. And now it's
like yeah, and we were also spaying on senators. I'm
assuming some congressmen will come out like who knows who's there?
We I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently before assassination. It
came out that he said during the campaign, we either
win the campaign or I may go to jail.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I actually believe.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Now witnessing what we've sayen that that's not far off
from reality at all.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
Justice in the FBI.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
As you know.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
I wrote an entire book entitled Justice Corrupted. How the
left is weaponized our legal system, and it talked about
it actually started with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to
do that. And and you look at some of the
some of the hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice
Department came up with, including creating underground stings to to
get people, uh, to get people on film taking drugs
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and with prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and
to go after their political opponents. I mean, it was
grotesque abuse of power. And and and when when that
came to light, we actually saw an improvement. And there
were a couple of decades where I think this this
receded and occurred far less. And then what Richard Nixon
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tried to do to the justices, to Barack Obama succeeded
in doing. He came in as this this almost messiah figure,
and and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
You had Lois Learner at the I R S. They
began targeting their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they
disagreed with, and also protecting their friends. During the Trump
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administration the first term, they went underground, but they waged
war on the president. These are the people that created
fraudulent documents submitted to the FISA Court in order to
in order to try to go after President Trump. They
wanted to reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election
because they were furious that the American people elected Trump.
And then during Biden, they were open, they were flagrant,
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they were out in the open, and they were they
were abusing their power. And I think they felt that
the ends justified the means, and and and anything was
acceptable and and and so I think we need to
take real steps. Do I think this has been going
on forever and ever? I own I certainly hope not.
I'm not aware that it has. Uh, there is there,
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there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under
Biden to to make it just as as viciously partisan
as as became.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, yeah, don't forget Share this podcast please with your
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see you back here tomorrow
You may remember a guy by the name of John Brennan.
He's a guy that came up with some amazing theories
about Donald Trump and conspiracy theories about Trump Russia, Russia collusion.
All things he knew were lies trying to well undermine
Donald Trump and influenced the last election. We also know
(00:21):
that he said some pretty outlandish things, for example, about
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. You may remember when they
met in Alaska. John Brennan speculated on this.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So I think you could see on Putin's face he
felt very, very comfortable, and the fact that he was
given a ride then in the presidential limousine the Beast.
I certainly hope the Secret Service has swept that vehicle
very well in terms of any type of small microchip
that might have been put in the in the vehicle.
But then in the press conference, Putin looked chipper, he
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looked upbeat.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
There's the conspiracy theory himself, the man that loves to
spread these things, John Brennan, speculating his expertise right as
a former leader in the Deep State, that Vladimir Plutin
planted a microchip in Trump's presidential limo during their short
ride together on the tarmac. John Brennan also made it
(01:16):
very clear that if you think that his now criminal
referral is somehow based in fact, oh no it is not.
This is all because of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump
is a guy that is coming after me, trying to
intimidate me. And I'm not going to be intimidated by
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the Trump or his administration.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I know you're not gonna like this question because you
and tel people to like talk about yourselves and all
of that. But I'm curious how you're doing and how
your family is doing, because these moments are you know,
We've talked to Miles Taylor, We've talked to Michael Feinberg,
people who are in the crosshairs of these kinds of
possible investigations and how it changes your entire life and
(02:05):
how you and your family can operate.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So how are you well.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm glad that Jim Comy put out that video statement
the other night where he said that they're not going
to live on their knees his family and others shouldn't
as well. I'm not going to be intimidated by the
likes of Donald Trump. I have always tried to speak
my mind and do what I thought was right, and
clearly there is a corruption and a perversion of the
justice system right now within the executive branch. And so
(02:31):
I don't know what may be coming my way, but
I'm not going to do things that are inconsistent with
my ethics and my values and what it is that
I believe is important. I think more people have to
speak out when they see injustice, when they see a
government that is abusing its authority and its power.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I think more and more.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
People have to speak out.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
And I'm waiting for those Republicans in Congress to come
to their senses because the damage that's being done to
this country and the dangerous times that we're in, I
think too many Americans do not appreciate the extent of that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And certainly I think we're in for even choppier waters it.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Talking about chompier waters ahead.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now you notice the media there trying to turn him
into some sort of victim there.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
In that interview.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
John Brennan on classified documents, for example, he had this to.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Say, is here a director Brennan, let me start with you.
Bryan Goodman of Just Security tweeted this quote. I expect
this will result in espionage Act Charges dissemination is key.
That was his response to this new Washington Post reporting
Do you think he has a point? Do you see
it that way?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
By the way, this is in reference to workers that
move quote mar Lago boxes the day before the Justice
Department came for those documents.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So again, it's the guy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
That wants you to believe that he's never done anything wrong,
that he was never going after his political enemies, he
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Speaker 4 (05:52):
Again, this is the guy that wants you to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Believe that he's never done anything wrong, that he was
never going after his political enemies, he never lied to
congres He's done everything perfect. And this is a response
to the present home being rated well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
This certainly seems like more damning evidence. And if these
reports are true, it's unsurprising given Donald Trump's lifelong disregard
of the rules, disrespective law, and arrogant sense of entitlement
in terms of he can do anything he wants. But
now he is dealing with a very very serious issue,
which is classified documents and obstruction of justice. And at
(06:27):
least according to this report, there were efforts made right
on the eve of this investigation on the part of
FBI to obscure and to conceal evidence. And so it
doesn't look very good for Donald Trump. Again, if all
this evidence is mounting, and Jack Smith is a special
counsel of the highest integrity with a dogged determination to
(06:49):
find a truth in this matter, so it's clear that
they have been quite active in this investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So there it is. That is just some of the
history of John Brennan. I wanted to lay that down
for you as a foundation so that we can now
get to what has happened, and that is the new
breaking news, the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan has
officially sent a referral letter to the US Department of
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Justice asking for a criminal prosecution of Brennan. The letter
alleges that Brennan quote knowingly and willfully made false statements
a material fact during his transcribed interview conducted by the
Committee on May the eleventh of twenty twenty three. This
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is coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee. The alleged
false statements relate to his testimony about the role of
the Steele Dossier in the twenty seventeen Intelligence Assessment, the
Intelligence Community Assessment, or the ICA on the Russian election interference. Again,
this is all coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee.
(07:58):
The referral points to the Federal Statute eighteen USC. One
thousand and one False Statements to Congress as a proposed
basis for the criminal liability. Now, let me just explain
to you in layman's terms, what this really is all about.
It's that John Brennan knew that the Still dossier and
(08:19):
all of this connection between Donald Trump and Russia was
a fabricated, made up live The FBI had used the
Still dossier to try to go somewhere with it, and
what did they do. They even had it marked as
user generated, meaning it was a lie. They even offered
a million dollars to steal if he could corroborate anything
in the Stee dosier. They never paid them the money
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because they knew he couldn't do it, and they knew
that the Stile dossier was paid for by the Hillary
Clinton campaign for president and the Democratic National Committee in
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yet they weaponized it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They decided to use it to move forward, which brings
us to Brennan. Now, he wants you to feel sorry
for him, like he's being persecuted. So let's just go
back through the overall timeline of the major events.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
This is what matters.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
January sixth of twenty seventeen, the intelligence community.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
The CIA, the FBI, the.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
NSA issued a declassified version of the ICA titled Assessing
Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections. Again, this
is coming from the House Judiciary Committee. May the twenty
third of twenty seventeen, Brennan testified before the House Permanent
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Select Committee on Intelligence at an open hearing on Russian
active measures during the twenty sixteen election. Campaign and made
statements about the Stile dossier. The referral letter points to
his false statements in that earlier hearing as part of
a broader pattern. You fast forward to May eleventh, twenty three,
(10:01):
Brennan sat for a transcribed interview with the House Judiciary Committee.
In that testimony, according to the referral letter, Brennan claimed
the CIA was not I'm gonna say that again, the
CIA was not involved at all with the Steele dossier.
That is a direct quote from John Brennan in his
(10:23):
testimony the House Judiciary Committee. Fast forward then to October
the twenty first, twenty twenty five. Jim Jordan has now
sent the referral letter the DOJ seeking criminal prosecution of
Brennan based on the alleged false testimony that I just
read for you. Now, let's go to exactly what is
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being alleged, and I'm going to go in order there
so you understand that as well. False denial of the
CIA involvement with the Steele dossier is clearly point number
one in this referral laid out by the Chairman Jordan.
Brennan testified that the CIA again was not quote unquote
involved at all with the Steele dossier. They're now claiming
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that that is, obviously, based on his testimony.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
A lie.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
The referral letter claims this is contradicted by the declassified
documents that actually show that the CIA officer drafted the
ICA annex summarizing the dossier, so that would mean the
CIA was involved and we have a summary of it
from the CIA. Brennan also, along with the then FBI
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Director James Comey, made the decision to include information from
the dossier in that ICA report.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Brennan also overruled. We're being told senior.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
CIA officers who objected to the inclusion of the dossier
material why because they knew it was user generated.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
They knew it was a lie.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
They knew it was paid for by the Hillary Clinton
campaign and the Democratic National Committee. They knew that Michael
Steele could not cooperate any of it for the million
dollars they offered him, because if it was real, he
would have taken the money. Brennan not only overalled the
senior CIA officers, but that's where the politics was clearly
coming in. The second part of this is the false
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testimony about the CIA opposition to the Steele dossier's inclusion.
Brennan testified, right, I'm going to his words that the
CIA quote was very much opposed to having any reference
or inclusion of the dossier in the ICA. So again,
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this is another example of false testimony about the CIA
opposition to the dossier's inclusion.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
According to the referral.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Declassified CIA memos show the opposite of that claim. Brennan stated, quote,
My bottom line is that I believe that the information
warrants inclusion in the report and refuse to remove the
dossier despite major concerns from high level CIA individuals. Then
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you also have what is referred to now as basically
zero point three the pattern of miss statements. The referral
argues that these false statements in twenty twenty three build
on longer standing misstatements, including the twenty seventeen hearing, and
thus support a referral for the criminal investigation. Now there's
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also important caveats that you need to understand here. The
congression referral does not automatically mean an indictment.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It is now up.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
To the Department of Justice if they are going to
consider prosecution. Many referrals, by the way, do not lead
to charges. So I want to put that out there
because I think we should just be fair. Now, there's
also legal experts that also say that it would be
a hard prosecution because in essence, well it's ease and
she said he's in charge.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So you know, everybody should kind of calm down here
and just relax a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
John Brennan, by the way, is also a guy that
has had a tendency, I think to mislead at best
lie to the American people. A great example of that
was the former CIA director John Brennan testifying about the
Hunter Biden laptop. You may have forgotten that story, but
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that is also something here that needs to be talked about.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Before we get to that, let me also just say
one other thing. In the letter to the Attorney General
Pam Bondi on Tuesday went from Jim Jordan, the House
Judiciary Committee chairman, referring the former CIA director Brennan to
the Justice Department for allegedly making false statements to Congress.
Not only is Jordan directly accusing Brendan of laing in
his twenty twenty three Judiciary Committee testimony by denying that
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the CIA used the dossier in prepping the twenty seventeen
Intelligence committ the assessment on the Russian election interference that
he knew was a lie, but also falsely claiming that
the CIA opposed including the dossier.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
The two points I just went over there.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, the Steele dossier was a series of reports that
were quote, detailing President Trump's alleged ties to Russia. It
was compiled and delivered the FBI in sixteen by that
former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. In the letter, Jordan writes,
he said, I led subsequent investigations confirmed quote that the
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Clinton campaign and the d NC paid Steele via the
law firm of Perkins Coy and opposition research firm Fusing
GPS to provide derogatory information about Trump's purported ties to Russia,
which resulted into the discredited dossier. So they're laying out
exactly what I'm now saying to you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
In July.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
By the way of this summer, the Trump administration was
very smart because they declassified the documents, which appeared to
show that Brennan approved the decisions directly, which contradicts his
own words that to use is steal dossier. Despite the
objections of senior high ranking CIA officials. So again that's
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where the lie comes out. You declassify this, everybody sees it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Bam.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Now I put all this together, and let me just
go back to what I said a moment ago. This
is a guy that has had no problem lying. And
I also would say that there's others that have been
a part of this and have lied as well. And
you're starting to see the dots kind of connected here.
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You have a Komy by the way, James Comy, former
REPI director, indicted for allegedly, you know, false statements, obstruction
of congressional proceedings.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So you have that.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You have Christopher Ray refer to the DOJ overclaims he
misled lawmakers on the Catholic memo and the China probes,
and and now you have.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
The former CIA director.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Now all of these people, plus James Clapper and John
Brennan hitting at Trump's and attacking him, clearly hating.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Him and wanting to bring him down.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
So there's a motive here, and then there's the evidence
behind their motive. They never thought they were going to
be held accountable for their actions. They never thought Donald
Trump was ever going to get elected again. In fact,
I think they actually thought their actions would put him
in jail and bankrupt him. You go back to Christopher
Ray for a second, and let's just remind you on
that one. A Washington based government transparency watchdog group has
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referred the former FBI director Christopher Ray to the Department
of Justice and the FBI, urging a criminal investigation to
allegations and he made false statements of Congress and obstructed
proceedings in two high profile cases. The Oversight Project president
said that the group is specifically asking officials to examine
Ray's congressional testimony on the so called Richmond Memo from
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the FBI office in virgin that exposed the anti Catholic
bias there, and his testimony about a Chinese plot to
disseminate illicit driver's license before the twenty twenty election. So,
in July twenty twenty three, Ray testified before the House
Judiciary Committee on the FBI Richmond Memo that had labeled
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Catholics as potential domestic threats, in other words, domestic terrorists. Well,
what I can tell you is you're referring to the
Richmond product, which is a single product by a single
filled office, which as soon as I found out about it,
I was AGAs and ordered it with draw and remove
from FBI systems. That is what Ray said. Now, the
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oversight project alleged to the statement was ultimately ultimately misleading
or false. Representative Tiffany, Republican from Wisconsin press Ray on
the Richmond memo and so called Trump questionnaire which was
circulated the FBI and asked about allegiances to the present
and whether agents had attended any protests or rallies associated
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with the January sixth capital breach quote. We keep hearing
about these isolated examples, whether it's Richmond, Catholics, this questionnaire.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
It's a pattern.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Congressman Tiffany asked, So, you've got a lot happening now.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Democrats are going to try to spend this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And I want to be clear, as this is Donald
Trump going after his political enemies. I want to be
clear my thoughts on this. This isn't about going after
his political enemies. This is about holding those accountable who
were in the highest positions of power who weaponize the
United States government to try to take out their political enemy,
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and that person was Donald Trump. And they also went
after their other political enemies like men and women whose
mothers and fathers who were described as domestic terrorists if
you went to a school board meeting. This is the
same government that tried to turn Catholics against their own
people into spy in their own churches, not mosque Catholics.
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So again this goes back to the basic question when
you look at all of this now, is this actual
political persecution or is this about accountability? I think there's
no other way to look at it than it's straight
up accountability. It is very clear now that it was intentional,
It was targeted political spying that likely went to the
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very highest levels in the Biden administration, and there should
be the broadest possible investigation and accountability for what Jack
Smith and the Democrats were doing. We have learned a
lot more now and there are more centers' names to
add to the list of those who were spied on
by Jack Smith. Ted Kruz's phone records, we've now learned
(20:56):
were subpoena as part of an investigation the Jack Smith
conducted or oversaw into the January sixth events and the
broader quote election interference matter. The subpoena in his case
specifically covered the period of January fourth through the seventh
of twenty twenty one, just before and around the time
(21:18):
of the January sixth disturbances. The Axios piece says that
Cruz is the ninth Republican US Senator whose phone records
were targeted or subpoenaed by the Justice Department under Smith's
leadership and direction. The subpoena apparently requested a broad set
of metadata inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect
(21:44):
voicemail messages, plus names and even addresses. Some Republican centers,
for example Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee, have now sent letters
to the Attorney General and to the telecom carriers alleging
that this ounts to politicize surveillance of Congress by the
Department of Justice and the FBI, calling it spying on
(22:07):
duly elected members of Congress. One report from October to
eighth places the number of GOP lawmakers, senators plus at
least one representative whose metadata was actually obtained, and nine
eight centers and one House member in that initial batch,
which now is expanding. The reporting is based on subpoenas
(22:30):
and metadata requests. It is not clear, at least in
the public what the contents are what they did with
the communications, What was accessed or what was done by
the DOJ and the FBI with the metadata for Ted
Cruz specifically, this is what we do know. The reason
why he wasn't in the first batch is because he
(22:52):
was not with Verizon. Instead, his carrier was AT and T,
Which brings me to a special part of the show.
Senator Ted Cruz and I set down to talk about
this spying, exactly what happened and why we're now seeing
this expand to other members of Congress and there could
be more to come that were spied on by the
(23:13):
Democrats and Jack Smith. So take a listen to what
he had to say about finding out that he was
a target. All right, Senator, so let's start with the
big news. Where were you when you found out that
you were spied on as part of Jack Smith's investigation
into Donald Trump? This clearly is a fishing expedition. And
(23:35):
what were you told? Have you been briefed on this
or are you just getting to say Mentel we are
from reading it in the news.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
So I found out about this last week, last Thursday.
I got the information. And let's back up a couple
of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor of the Biden DOJ
that was going after January sixth, that was going after
President Trump, had subpoenaed eight and one Republican House member
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and had gotten their cell phone records. And the eight
Senators who had been subpoena were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lummus, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
and Tommy Tuberville. And then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
(24:22):
had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit just over
a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
had dinner with Sean and with several of the senators
on that list as well, and I was laughing with Sean.
I was saying, I'm actually kind of offended, Like how
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did I get lift out of this list? Like what
did I have to do? I was literally standing on
the Senate floor on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight,
and I had brought together eleven senators to stand together
in fighting for an election commission to assess the evidence
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of voter fraud, and including many of the senators who
were subpoena were in the group that I'd brought together.
So I was I was joking with Sean, but I
wasn't entirely joking. Well, it turns out the reason I
was not on the list is apparently all eight of
those senators their cell phones are with Verizon, and the
evidence had come out that Verizon had handed over their
(25:23):
their their cell phone information. Well, my cell phone is
with AT and T and I didn't know it at
the time, but I found out late last week that
Jack Smith sent a subpoena to AT and TU demanding
my cell phone records, and AT and T told him
to go jump in a lake. AT and T did
not give my cell phone records. I really look. AT
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and T is based in Texas. I'm proud of them.
They did the right thing. I appreciate that, and and
they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
By the way, the subpoena called for quote detailed records
for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
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voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
was you know this, this left wing judge has been
presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
had an order from Judge Boseberg ordering AT and T
you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
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phone information for a year.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Isn't that amazing? By the way, and you're sitting unin
State Center, don't tell him. We don't want him to know.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yes, and so AT and T examined it, and they
actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way it works,
so the subpoena just comes and they get a cell
phone number. So so the Biden DOJ didn't identify who
they were seeking. And by the way, look the telecom
companies typically if they get a subpoena for phone records
(27:00):
on a number, they typically handed over because it's usually
a drug dealer or a criminal. You have a subpoena
that's issued from a grand jury, so so it it
they will routinely in a criminal proceeding hand over. Well,
it's so happened that that AT and T, even though
they just asked for the number, they looked and realized
whose number it was, and and and that they talked
(27:22):
with their legal team, and and and they said, listen,
what what Cruz is saying is it and any member
of Congress, what they're saying is protected by the Speech
and Debate Clause of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the
ability of of of Senators and House members to engage
in debate, to to do our jobs. Article one of
(27:43):
the Constitution vests all legislative power in the Congress. And
and in fact, we you know, on January sixth, it
was very literally speech and debate. As I said, I
was standing on the Senate floor giving a speech and
raising an objection. So it's literally the heart of what
one does as an elected member of Congress. And so
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At and T concluded, listen there, we're not going to comply.
As I said, I'm grateful for At and T doing that,
But that now makes it nine senators that we know
of and one House.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
also at At and T and they probably said no, we're
not going to do that either, right it would be
Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody you're
asking for. There could be easily I would say another four, five,
six others. Who knows how many outside the Senate right
that they could have asked for that they could have
said no to as well.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
And I would assume there was a lot of people
on at and t well.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
And look the Biden DOJ also after the Republican Attorney
General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This was
a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
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for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
so it was twenty twenty two, so it was two
years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
(29:27):
in the United States Senate. And I got to say
for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
their political opponents and spying with let's be clear none
of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
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This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right,
you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
In that scenario, they were just hey, we'll just go
after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Look.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
I don't know what they were hoping to find, but
but but they were asking for the cell phone records
from from January fourth to January seventh, so all surrounding
January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some some
modicum of coordination, uh with with with those who engage
in active violence on that day. Part of their theory
(30:30):
was was the alternate electors that were being sent from
various states. So I assumed they were looking for some
modicum of coordination there. But this was a political prosecution
because they did not have evidence, and so they said, well,
let's let's go through their cell phone records and see
if we can find something. And by the way, who
knows if if somebody had sent something stupid text, had
(30:54):
a voicemail, had you know, I mean people when you
go through someone emails, when you go through someone's cell phones,
when prosecutors go looking for a crime, the nature of
a fishing expedition is, let's go look around. You know.
There's a book that was written decades ago. Uh that
(31:15):
that that that's called three Felonies a Day, And and
it talks about how the average American commits three felonies
a day, that that in our regulatory state, things are
so complicated, things are so mired in complexity that that
that you can violate you know, you you step on
a wetland in your backyard, and and and you know
there's an old line that a prosecutor can indict a
(31:38):
ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor goes in front
of a grand jury. When a prosecutor goes in front
of a grand jury, you know, there's no defense attorney there.
It's just the prosecutor and members of the grand jury.
And so, I don't know what they were looking for.
I think they were looking for anything that could stick
because this was a political prosecution.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Let me ask you this, if and and so, Ben,
I just.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Want to say I'm really grateful they did not find
the pictures you sent to me of you in a
pink too too, because I just think that it's not
criminal all.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The league jokes that I send you about the Ivy
League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up going
to one of those places. That could have been very
bad for me.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I I it, you know it, it would have been uh.
And and I got to say, just the typos and
misspellings that that that you have in your text, that
that alone would have.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Been been a little bit embarrassing too.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
So I'm glad none of that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
like it's what was been really trying to say.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
And I'm like, you're welcome.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
I will tell you about I talked to AT and
T today and I said, look, you guys got to
start a marketing campaign and shift to a T and T.
We'll we'll protect your stuff, like yeas to them. Look,
I I don't have a good answer to that. But
but but but I did.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
And I didn't know about this until just a few
days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
Like I was joking that I felt excluded, but it
wasn't entirely a joke. And then I was like, oh, okay,
that makes sense, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And here we are all right here, I don't question
on this. What is gonna be the response from Congress?
Will there be any to this or is this just
old administration abuse of power?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
We're going to move on, or is there going to
be a way to make sure like we have standards
of this is not allowed to happen and that people
are held accountable for this.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I think
we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell you
the nine of us who were targeted, we're talking to
each other because we want to prevent this. We want
to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this, from spying
on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The executive doesn't
(33:55):
have the ability to go engage in spying on members
of the posing party in Congress. That is an abuse
of power. It is it is politicization.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
And and this that this entire effort, so so, this
prosecution was called Arctic Frost, and I think this is
going to be the Watergate of the Biden d o J.
I think it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was
a partisan prosecutor who was drunk on power and and
(34:27):
and and I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision
on his own. I think the decision making goes all
the way up. I think it goes up to the
Attorney General, and I think it goes up to the
White House. And and so I expect number one, some
some real investigation and hopefully transparency in terms of who
approved let's go spy on members of Congress and and
and and and that that I think we're gonna work
(34:50):
to have some real transparency on and that. I think
we're gonna look at real and concrete steps we can
take to make sure this never happens again, because this
kind of is.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're part of you that just thinks like maybe this
has just been going on and never really stopped. After
you know, the the famous FBI director that had you know,
files on everybody, and people said well, we won't have
that again after Jagger, and now it's like they're just
like they wild West. You can do what the hell
you want to if you're a Democrat, and you're in charge.
(35:20):
Like we can spawn in the present, we can spy
in the campaigns. We can go after people in this
situation room and the trap them. We can try to
go after their business associates and their kids and get
them to turn against them, like Eric Trump was talking
about that on our show the day. If you missed
that show, people should go back and listen to He's
like they were literally trying to turn Donald Trump's own
children against him, threatening that your life's gonna be over
(35:41):
and you're gonna be in jail, so you better get
a get out of jail free card. And now it's
like yeah, and we were also spaying on senators. I'm
assuming some congressmen will come out like who knows who's there?
We I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently before assassination. It
came out that he said during the campaign, we either
win the campaign or I may go to jail.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I actually believe.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Now witnessing what we've sayen that that's not far off
from reality at all.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
Justice in the FBI.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
As you know.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
I wrote an entire book entitled Justice Corrupted. How the
left is weaponized our legal system, and it talked about
it actually started with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to
do that. And and you look at some of the
some of the hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice
Department came up with, including creating underground stings to to
get people, uh, to get people on film taking drugs
(36:37):
and with prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and
to go after their political opponents. I mean, it was
grotesque abuse of power. And and and when when that
came to light, we actually saw an improvement. And there
were a couple of decades where I think this this
receded and occurred far less. And then what Richard Nixon
(36:58):
tried to do to the justices, to Barack Obama succeeded
in doing. He came in as this this almost messiah figure,
and and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
You had Lois Learner at the I R S. They
began targeting their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they
disagreed with, and also protecting their friends. During the Trump
(37:21):
administration the first term, they went underground, but they waged
war on the president. These are the people that created
fraudulent documents submitted to the FISA Court in order to
in order to try to go after President Trump. They
wanted to reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election
because they were furious that the American people elected Trump.
And then during Biden, they were open, they were flagrant,
(37:44):
they were out in the open, and they were they
were abusing their power. And I think they felt that
the ends justified the means, and and and anything was
acceptable and and and so I think we need to
take real steps. Do I think this has been going
on forever and ever? I own I certainly hope not.
I'm not aware that it has. Uh, there is there,
(38:05):
there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under
Biden to to make it just as as viciously partisan
as as became.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
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