November 3, 2025 • 14 mins
🧊 Arctic Frost Probe & Jack Smith Allegations:
- Abuse of Power Allegations: Former Congressman Devin Nunes and others accuse Jack Smith of issuing overly broad and secret subpoenas targeting Trump-linked individuals and entities, including Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), even before the company existed.
- Scope of Surveillance: The subpoenas reportedly covered over 430 individuals and entities, including bank records, phone data, and metadata, raising concerns about a politically motivated “fishing expedition.”
- Whistleblower Revelations: Much of the information came from whistleblowers and leaked documents, not official DOJ disclosures.
- Congressional Reaction: Lawmakers like Jim Jordan and Donald Trump express outrage, calling for investigations, depositions, and accountability. Jordan claims two of Smith’s deputies invoked the Fifth Amendment over 70 times during questioning.
- Transparency Issues: Redacted documents and hidden sources are criticized for obstructing oversight and accountability. Jordan and others demand full disclosure and identification of agents and sources involved.
- Historical Parallels: The probe is compared to past scandals like the Steele dossier and surveillance of Trump’s 2016 campaign, suggesting a pattern of politicized investigations.
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Political Weaponization Claims:
- The podcast paints a picture of the DOJ and FBI being used to target political opponents, particularly conservatives and Trump allies.
- The Arctic Frost investigation is described as a continuation of alleged partisan tactics dating back to 2016.
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Legal & Ethical Concerns:
- The breadth of the subpoenas — including metadata, IP addresses, and financial records — raises serious privacy and constitutional questions.
- The lack of indictments despite extensive surveillance suggests the investigation may have lacked sufficient legal basis.
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Calls for Accountability:
- Trump and GOP lawmakers are pushing for consequences, including potential impeachment of judges and depositions of investigators.
- The emphasis on whistleblowers and transparency reflects a broader effort to reform federal investigative practices.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
James Comey, John Bolton were all recently indicted. There's a
pattern to these names.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Is it political retribute you? No one you know who
got indicted.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
The man you're looking.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
At, I got indicted and I was innocent. Did you
instruct the Department of Justice to go and not in
any way shape or for him.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, you don't have to instruct him, because they were
so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The honest people that we have go f them automatically.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
If you're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with
Ben ferguson.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Good Monday morning, So nice to have you with us
on the forty seven Morning Update, We've got one big
story for you. Devin Nunyez is now well. He's telling
it like it is, saying that Jack Smith sought Donald
Trump media bank records. Why were they spying on Trump's
bank records. We'll have that story for you in just
a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Plus.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Jim Jordan's coming forward talking about just how big and
how wide the buying campaign was on conservatives and what
they've learned about it. In the House. It's the forty
seven Morning update and it starts right now.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Story number one.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Devin Nunyez is now exposing Jack Smith and telling us
that they sought Trump Media bank records. Is what we're
being told Donald Trump saying these thugs should be investigated.
Trump Media and Technology Group Corporation TMTG CEO and former
Congressman Devin Nunyez on Thursday accused former Special counsel Jack
(01:34):
Smith of wielding a shockingly broad, secret subpoena for the
banking records of the Trump Media Empire, despite the company
not even existing at the time of his underlying investigation.
TMTG was among the more than four hundred Trump linked
(01:57):
individuals and organizations that we're spied on as part of
Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation of President Donald Trump. Specifically,
the Smith team issued as shockingly broad and secret subpoena
for our banking records Noonez says in a statement on
True Social saying, quote, this is a stunning abuse of
(02:18):
power against a private business and are hundreds of thousands
of retail investors, especially since Trump Media did not even
exist at the time of the events that Jack Smith
was supposedly investigating. Nou Neez called for answers from both
(02:38):
the Securities and Exchange Commission, the SEC and JP Morgan
Chase on whether they were aware of the subpoena and
whether bank records were actually leaked. According to the subpoena
issued to JP Morgan Chase, images of which noonez shared
on social media platform, the demand covers any and all
(03:00):
records in your possession, custody or control for all accounts
and or trust accounts in the name of bearing the signature,
authority of, or with the ability to be accessed by
the named parties below listing TMTG among the named entities.
The subpoena spans the time period from September one, twenty
(03:23):
twenty to October thirty first of twenty twenty one, and
requests an extensive array of records, including checking and saving
account statements, opening documents, wire transfers, ACCH payments, credit and
debit memos, loan and mortgage payments, safe deposit box records,
(03:47):
debit card transaction histories, IP addresses, cookie data, and other
account inquiry metadata. In other words, a full blown phishing
expedition I the DOJ and the FBI. Meanwhile, Smith's investigation
initiated by the Attorney General Meyrick Garland in November of
(04:09):
twenty twenty two, has drawn intense scrutiny. The probe encompasses
Trump's handling of classified documents, efforts they lied about to
overturn the twenty twenty election, and allege obstruction of justice
and other matters. In recent weeks, the Senate Judiciary Committee
leaked documents showing Smith's team issued one hundred and ninety
(04:29):
seven subpoenas covering at least four hundred and thirty individuals
and entities. It's part of an investigation dubbed Arctic Frost GOP.
Lawmakers have accused Smith of improperly targeting members of Congress
and others, and Smith's council nonetheless defended the approach as
quote entirely proper and lawful. We'll see where this goes,
(04:52):
but there's a very good chance this is the tip
of the Arctic frost Iceberg greta ancestorn on Newsmas Jim
Jordan on to talk about this, and she started with
Donald Trump's true social post about what we're now learning.
I want you to listen closely to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
These thugs should all be investigated and put in prison.
A disgrace to humanity. Deranged Jack Smith is a criminal
end quote shairing of the House Judiciary Committee. They released
those fileshile Carsman Jim Jordan joins me, good evenings, sir,
and do have all the FBI files on this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well, we hope, But we're going to continue to work
with Director Patel and get every piece of information we can.
God blessed Cash and of course Pam Bondi, because they've
been night and day. Difference between them and what we
have with Merrick Garland and Christopher Ray. I think the
big takeaway here is how much broader and more expansive
this was.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It wasn't just that they took the.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Phone of a sitting member of Congress when they took
Scott Perry's phone. It wasn't just that they spied on
eight United States senators. Now we learn it's over one
hundred and fifty individuals. Keep people in the Trump administration,
keep people that they went after, getting communications, phone records,
bank records, all kinds of things they were going after.
(06:09):
This is how expansive Artie Frost started out, and how
it even expanded even more when Jack Smith was named
special counsel, and when he took over the investigation, and
finally I would say this, Greta, this is why we
want to talk to Jack Smith. Why we've asked him
to come in for a deposition as soon as possible.
We got to ask him questions because we've already deposed
(06:29):
two of his deputies, and they took the fifth seventy
one and seventy three times mister Bratt and mister Wyndham
exercised their fift Amendment liberties. Wouldn't answer questions like was
this all political? Were you going after this to undermine
and hurt President Trump in a political way? How about
any other people you surveilled or spied on that in
addition to the eight United States Senators.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Both of those questions they wouldn't answer.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we want to talk to Jack Smith, the guy
who ran the investigation, find out what kind of answers
he'll give us.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They went after all these records of these people. Did
they have a warrant? Did they get one from the
grand jury or assigned warrant from a judge? Do they
have a warrant? Or were they just being cowboys and
going through these people these records of these.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
The targets again, questions will ask. I think they did
have a warrant. I think they they moved that way.
But we want to we want to figure all this out.
We knew that Jack Smith had, you know, put the
gagolder in President Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We knew he had raided Mara Lago.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
We knew that one of one of Jack Smith's deputies
confronted a lawyer for one of the defendants and it
looked like he offered him. He was kind of almost
a bribe situation. He said, we thought you were interested
in this judge position. We didn't know you were a
Trump guy, you know, kind of hint hint, wink wink.
When when they talked to Stanley Woodward.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So there's all this that went on, but the big
takeaways for me are eight United States senators, a city
member of Congress they took the phone up, and two
of his deputies who we've already deposed, who wouldn't answer
our questions. So, uh, that's why we want to talk
to Jack Smith again.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You choice is when you look at the breadth of
investigation like this with you know, over one hundred and
fifty eight and if you go to the lower number
that you just you just listed is that they didn't
indict or charge any of these people. So you get
sort of the idea that they were just looking for
every thing every place you know that you know, you
know what could possibly be a legitimate reason if they
didn't if they didn't strike gold on anybody.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're right they were.
I think this was political. I think this was the
left saying we're going to go after these people. We're
going to use this whole alternative elector h reason as
as the basis for why we're doing this investigation. We
saw the one email, but between it looked like between
an agent and a and a source talking about former
(08:44):
cheapest staff Mark Meadows was involved in some kind of
treasonous activity, which was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So this was the mindset.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think it also gets to that who are these
folks in the FBI who were putting these emails together
saying that there's there's there's reason to believe that the
cheapest staff to the President of the United States was
engaged in treason's behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's just ridiculous, But that reason, and it makes no sense.
I hate that when they use reason to believe.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay, the documents that you believe have a lot of
black spots on them, a lot of redactions. Is that
something you did or the FBI did? And the reason
that matters is because you really can't read those documents unless,
I mean, you know, for full transparency. Why is everything
being kept a secret? Basically there's no I mean, if
we want to uncover what happened you or to give it,
you know, put to find out if anything dirty was done.
(09:34):
We really need this.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
We need to be able to read everything, and nobody.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Should be running for cover with doing redactions.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We didn't put the redactions on. That's how they came
from the Justice Department. You're right, we need to have
we need to be able to read it all in
full context. But I would go a step further and
say the name's under there, I actually want to ask
them questions. I want to find out, like, who's this
source giving this?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Look?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
To me when I read it, it looks like under the
actually to be the source, and then the agent who's
getting the information.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I want to know who that source is.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I want to know who that agent is saying these
ridiculous things that get put in an email and sent
to someone else as part of this investigation. So I
think it's even more than that, not just who those
what those names are. I want to talk to those people.
I want to ask them questions. So that's that's where
I think we try to go next.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well, that's the starter, the.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Starters to find out who they are? Were the redactions
done during the Trump administration or during the Brenda Biden
administration or the Trump administration?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And who?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, who is it? Some someone up in some
room with a big black marker someplace? I mean, who's
doing these things?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I think it's just I think got standard practice at
the Justice which is which is not good.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I don't know which one. I don't know which
FBI did it.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
My my gut tells me it was probably That's how
the documents were in the ray FBI that Director Patel
has gotten his hands on now and giving to us.
But I don't know that, but that'd be my guest.
But my understanding is that's just standard names, phone numbers
of agents, phone numbers and sources names and sort of.
That's just standard how they do it. But we want
(11:08):
to know now because we saw how broad and how expansive.
This is we want to know who those people are
so we can ask them questions.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, if you're then involved in an investigation, especially a
government person, you don't have your name not blackened out
so that we can see who it is. We can
see who's doing what. I get it if it's a
confidential source that's going to get shot on the street
or something, if we reveal it. But the fact that
some way and I'm told, I've always told that's the
way it's done, well, that's never satisfied me because that
usually means it's sort of like, well things are classified
in this town because that's the way it's done. But
(11:37):
that's where the lack of transparency, you know, and we
can get to that. We could get to the end
of this very quickly if we could read everything and
see it, and even if they turned it over to
you unredacted, it would be good. I mean, I realized,
maybe it won't turn it into the public. But you know,
I don't know how you do an investigation when you
can't get all the material.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well, we're working on find out what the name is
underneath those those those those black lines.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We want to know who the name is or what
the name is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We want to know who that individual is, so again
we can we can ask them questions like where did
the I think, particularly that the email I keep citing,
I won't know who that source is because I think
it's the source that they were using. Who was the
person alleging that the former chiefest staff was engaged. That's
just just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well do you know what though, But it's a little
bit like when they were using that guy Steel as
a source they kept using it wouldn't tell but if
anyone had pulled, if anyone had investigated Steel, you wouldn't
have used him as a source, you know. But if
you just say the person's a source and black it out,
there's no way to challenge whether it's someone who has
good information or it's someone's got an ax to grind
or whatever. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's that's not to and not to mention the sub
sources that Steele was using, who would just further complicates
it means there's more lies than that ridiculous dossier that
they relied on to get warrants to go spawn a
presidential campaign.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No great point, and it's again this all now has come.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
All getting exposed goes clear back to twenty sixteen when
they spider it. That's when it all started, and we're
starting to unravel it all. So that and the reason
we want to unravel it all and hold people accountable
is so that it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, if I were if I were a government employer
or anybody, and I found out that they were doing
that to me without a warrant from a judge or
from a grand jury, I would sue from a constitution
of rights being violated because I tell you one thing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You get.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
First of all, you get a big chunk of change
out of the government. Secondly, you get a lot of discovery,
you get a lot of information, you know, and we'd
find out what the government is doing and not doing.
Chairman Jim Jordan, thanks sir.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
You listen to Jim Jordan there and you hear what
he had to say. It is truly incredible they were
able to do this and abuse the power of the government.
The good news is Donald Trump is making it very
clear there's going to be accountability for people that abuse
their power in the last administration or any administration. If
there's evidence of major wrong doe It.
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James Comey, John Bolton were all recently indicted. There's a
pattern to these names.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Is it political retribute you? No one you know who
got indicted.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
The man you're looking.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
At, I got indicted and I was innocent. Did you
instruct the Department of Justice to go and not in
any way shape or for him.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, you don't have to instruct him, because they were
so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The honest people that we have go f them automatically.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
If you're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with
Ben ferguson.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Good Monday morning, So nice to have you with us
on the forty seven Morning Update, We've got one big
story for you. Devin Nunyez is now well. He's telling
it like it is, saying that Jack Smith sought Donald
Trump media bank records. Why were they spying on Trump's
bank records. We'll have that story for you in just
a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Plus.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Jim Jordan's coming forward talking about just how big and
how wide the buying campaign was on conservatives and what
they've learned about it. In the House. It's the forty
seven Morning update and it starts right now.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Story number one.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Devin Nunyez is now exposing Jack Smith and telling us
that they sought Trump Media bank records. Is what we're
being told Donald Trump saying these thugs should be investigated.
Trump Media and Technology Group Corporation TMTG CEO and former
Congressman Devin Nunyez on Thursday accused former Special counsel Jack
(01:34):
Smith of wielding a shockingly broad, secret subpoena for the
banking records of the Trump Media Empire, despite the company
not even existing at the time of his underlying investigation.
TMTG was among the more than four hundred Trump linked
(01:57):
individuals and organizations that we're spied on as part of
Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation of President Donald Trump. Specifically,
the Smith team issued as shockingly broad and secret subpoena
for our banking records Noonez says in a statement on
True Social saying, quote, this is a stunning abuse of
(02:18):
power against a private business and are hundreds of thousands
of retail investors, especially since Trump Media did not even
exist at the time of the events that Jack Smith
was supposedly investigating. Nou Neez called for answers from both
(02:38):
the Securities and Exchange Commission, the SEC and JP Morgan
Chase on whether they were aware of the subpoena and
whether bank records were actually leaked. According to the subpoena
issued to JP Morgan Chase, images of which noonez shared
on social media platform, the demand covers any and all
(03:00):
records in your possession, custody or control for all accounts
and or trust accounts in the name of bearing the signature,
authority of, or with the ability to be accessed by
the named parties below listing TMTG among the named entities.
The subpoena spans the time period from September one, twenty
(03:23):
twenty to October thirty first of twenty twenty one, and
requests an extensive array of records, including checking and saving
account statements, opening documents, wire transfers, ACCH payments, credit and
debit memos, loan and mortgage payments, safe deposit box records,
(03:47):
debit card transaction histories, IP addresses, cookie data, and other
account inquiry metadata. In other words, a full blown phishing
expedition I the DOJ and the FBI. Meanwhile, Smith's investigation
initiated by the Attorney General Meyrick Garland in November of
(04:09):
twenty twenty two, has drawn intense scrutiny. The probe encompasses
Trump's handling of classified documents, efforts they lied about to
overturn the twenty twenty election, and allege obstruction of justice
and other matters. In recent weeks, the Senate Judiciary Committee
leaked documents showing Smith's team issued one hundred and ninety
(04:29):
seven subpoenas covering at least four hundred and thirty individuals
and entities. It's part of an investigation dubbed Arctic Frost GOP.
Lawmakers have accused Smith of improperly targeting members of Congress
and others, and Smith's council nonetheless defended the approach as
quote entirely proper and lawful. We'll see where this goes,
(04:52):
but there's a very good chance this is the tip
of the Arctic frost Iceberg greta ancestorn on Newsmas Jim
Jordan on to talk about this, and she started with
Donald Trump's true social post about what we're now learning.
I want you to listen closely to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
These thugs should all be investigated and put in prison.
A disgrace to humanity. Deranged Jack Smith is a criminal
end quote shairing of the House Judiciary Committee. They released
those fileshile Carsman Jim Jordan joins me, good evenings, sir,
and do have all the FBI files on this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well, we hope, But we're going to continue to work
with Director Patel and get every piece of information we can.
God blessed Cash and of course Pam Bondi, because they've
been night and day. Difference between them and what we
have with Merrick Garland and Christopher Ray. I think the
big takeaway here is how much broader and more expansive
this was.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It wasn't just that they took the.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Phone of a sitting member of Congress when they took
Scott Perry's phone. It wasn't just that they spied on
eight United States senators. Now we learn it's over one
hundred and fifty individuals. Keep people in the Trump administration,
keep people that they went after, getting communications, phone records,
bank records, all kinds of things they were going after.
(06:09):
This is how expansive Artie Frost started out, and how
it even expanded even more when Jack Smith was named
special counsel, and when he took over the investigation, and
finally I would say this, Greta, this is why we
want to talk to Jack Smith. Why we've asked him
to come in for a deposition as soon as possible.
We got to ask him questions because we've already deposed
(06:29):
two of his deputies, and they took the fifth seventy
one and seventy three times mister Bratt and mister Wyndham
exercised their fift Amendment liberties. Wouldn't answer questions like was
this all political? Were you going after this to undermine
and hurt President Trump in a political way? How about
any other people you surveilled or spied on that in
addition to the eight United States Senators.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Both of those questions they wouldn't answer.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we want to talk to Jack Smith, the guy
who ran the investigation, find out what kind of answers
he'll give us.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They went after all these records of these people. Did
they have a warrant? Did they get one from the
grand jury or assigned warrant from a judge? Do they
have a warrant? Or were they just being cowboys and
going through these people these records of these.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
The targets again, questions will ask. I think they did
have a warrant. I think they they moved that way.
But we want to we want to figure all this out.
We knew that Jack Smith had, you know, put the
gagolder in President Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We knew he had raided Mara Lago.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
We knew that one of one of Jack Smith's deputies
confronted a lawyer for one of the defendants and it
looked like he offered him. He was kind of almost
a bribe situation. He said, we thought you were interested
in this judge position. We didn't know you were a
Trump guy, you know, kind of hint hint, wink wink.
When when they talked to Stanley Woodward.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So there's all this that went on, but the big
takeaways for me are eight United States senators, a city
member of Congress they took the phone up, and two
of his deputies who we've already deposed, who wouldn't answer
our questions. So, uh, that's why we want to talk
to Jack Smith again.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You choice is when you look at the breadth of
investigation like this with you know, over one hundred and
fifty eight and if you go to the lower number
that you just you just listed is that they didn't
indict or charge any of these people. So you get
sort of the idea that they were just looking for
every thing every place you know that you know, you
know what could possibly be a legitimate reason if they
didn't if they didn't strike gold on anybody.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're right they were.
I think this was political. I think this was the
left saying we're going to go after these people. We're
going to use this whole alternative elector h reason as
as the basis for why we're doing this investigation. We
saw the one email, but between it looked like between
an agent and a and a source talking about former
(08:44):
cheapest staff Mark Meadows was involved in some kind of
treasonous activity, which was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So this was the mindset.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think it also gets to that who are these
folks in the FBI who were putting these emails together
saying that there's there's there's reason to believe that the
cheapest staff to the President of the United States was
engaged in treason's behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's just ridiculous, But that reason, and it makes no sense.
I hate that when they use reason to believe.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay, the documents that you believe have a lot of
black spots on them, a lot of redactions. Is that
something you did or the FBI did? And the reason
that matters is because you really can't read those documents unless,
I mean, you know, for full transparency. Why is everything
being kept a secret? Basically there's no I mean, if
we want to uncover what happened you or to give it,
you know, put to find out if anything dirty was done.
(09:34):
We really need this.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
We need to be able to read everything, and nobody.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Should be running for cover with doing redactions.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We didn't put the redactions on. That's how they came
from the Justice Department. You're right, we need to have
we need to be able to read it all in
full context. But I would go a step further and
say the name's under there, I actually want to ask
them questions. I want to find out, like, who's this
source giving this?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Look?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
To me when I read it, it looks like under the
actually to be the source, and then the agent who's
getting the information.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I want to know who that source is.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I want to know who that agent is saying these
ridiculous things that get put in an email and sent
to someone else as part of this investigation. So I
think it's even more than that, not just who those
what those names are. I want to talk to those people.
I want to ask them questions. So that's that's where
I think we try to go next.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well, that's the starter, the.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Starters to find out who they are? Were the redactions
done during the Trump administration or during the Brenda Biden
administration or the Trump administration?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And who?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, who is it? Some someone up in some
room with a big black marker someplace? I mean, who's
doing these things?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I think it's just I think got standard practice at
the Justice which is which is not good.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I don't know which one. I don't know which
FBI did it.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
My my gut tells me it was probably That's how
the documents were in the ray FBI that Director Patel
has gotten his hands on now and giving to us.
But I don't know that, but that'd be my guest.
But my understanding is that's just standard names, phone numbers
of agents, phone numbers and sources names and sort of.
That's just standard how they do it. But we want
(11:08):
to know now because we saw how broad and how expansive.
This is we want to know who those people are
so we can ask them questions.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, if you're then involved in an investigation, especially a
government person, you don't have your name not blackened out
so that we can see who it is. We can
see who's doing what. I get it if it's a
confidential source that's going to get shot on the street
or something, if we reveal it. But the fact that
some way and I'm told, I've always told that's the
way it's done, well, that's never satisfied me because that
usually means it's sort of like, well things are classified
in this town because that's the way it's done. But
(11:37):
that's where the lack of transparency, you know, and we
can get to that. We could get to the end
of this very quickly if we could read everything and
see it, and even if they turned it over to
you unredacted, it would be good. I mean, I realized,
maybe it won't turn it into the public. But you know,
I don't know how you do an investigation when you
can't get all the material.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well, we're working on find out what the name is
underneath those those those those black lines.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
We want to know who the name is or what
the name is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We want to know who that individual is, so again
we can we can ask them questions like where did
the I think, particularly that the email I keep citing,
I won't know who that source is because I think
it's the source that they were using. Who was the
person alleging that the former chiefest staff was engaged. That's
just just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well do you know what though, But it's a little
bit like when they were using that guy Steel as
a source they kept using it wouldn't tell but if
anyone had pulled, if anyone had investigated Steel, you wouldn't
have used him as a source, you know. But if
you just say the person's a source and black it out,
there's no way to challenge whether it's someone who has
good information or it's someone's got an ax to grind
or whatever. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's that's not to and not to mention the sub
sources that Steele was using, who would just further complicates
it means there's more lies than that ridiculous dossier that
they relied on to get warrants to go spawn a
presidential campaign.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No great point, and it's again this all now has come.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
All getting exposed goes clear back to twenty sixteen when
they spider it. That's when it all started, and we're
starting to unravel it all. So that and the reason
we want to unravel it all and hold people accountable
is so that it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, if I were if I were a government employer
or anybody, and I found out that they were doing
that to me without a warrant from a judge or
from a grand jury, I would sue from a constitution
of rights being violated because I tell you one thing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You get.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
First of all, you get a big chunk of change
out of the government. Secondly, you get a lot of discovery,
you get a lot of information, you know, and we'd
find out what the government is doing and not doing.
Chairman Jim Jordan, thanks sir.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
You listen to Jim Jordan there and you hear what
he had to say. It is truly incredible they were
able to do this and abuse the power of the government.
The good news is Donald Trump is making it very
clear there's going to be accountability for people that abuse
their power in the last administration or any administration. If
there's evidence of major wrong doe It.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
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